good morning, everyone. happy independence day. it is 9:00 on the east coast, 6:00 a.m. out west. i m chris jansing and we have breaking news right now on msnbc. game changer north korea now says it has tested a missile that could hit the united states. the pentagon counters the claim but is time running out to ring in the rogue state? peach battle. new jersey governor chris christie remains defiant, saying he is not sorry for using a beach that had been closed to the public during his state shutdown. i don t apologize for it. i think my poll numbers show that i don t care about political optics. and celebrating independence day. the latest weather, travel, and security updates around the country. what you can expect on this fourth of july. we begin with the breaking news that is drawing furious reaction from around the world after north korea claims it has finally succeeded in test launches an ballistic missile. if true it marks a major step forward in that country s nuclear program and a significant new threat. so far president trump s response has been to call for help from heeders of china, south korea, and japan, all of whom trump will be meeting with at the g-20 later this week. we have the story covered from all angles. nbc s correspondent hans nicholls in washington, garrett haake at the white house, also with me, military analyst and retired army colonel jack jacobs, robert kelly, associate professor of international relations at pusan national university in south korea. good to see all of you. garrett, the white house has repeatedly said it s run out of patience with north korea, the continual testing of ballistic missiles is unacceptable. now what? reporter: they ve run out of patience but most of their options are bad. you can see in the president s response last night there needs to be a regional response. the president taking to twitter last nice for so far the only white house mick comment on it. he says north korea has just launched another missle. does this guy have anything better to do with his life? presumably referring to the north korean dictator. hard to believe that joushg and japan will put up with this much longer. perhaps china will put a heavy move on north korea and end this nonsense once and for all. the tweets reflecting the president s belief that it is china that will ultimately have to do more to put pressure on north korea. the chinese being their closest allies. this is something that the president has spoken to the president of china about as recently as sunday, making phone calls in advance of the g-20 summit where he s expected to bring this issue up again in person with the leaders of all three of those countries who will or most closely affected by this launch. hans, someone described this launch as a milestone for the north korean nuclear program. how is it different from what we ve seen before? it flew seven minutes longer than the may 14 test, and what pentagon officials are looking at is the distance in the air, because with this missile, as well as the one they did may 14th, they shot it straight up in the air. it only travelled some 500 miles. one just a few hours ago. but when you tease that out and give it a theoretical range, you get in the 4,000-mile range. now, the his l they sent up went almost 1,700 miles up in the air. we don t know whether or not its war head, whether or not it had any sort of theoretical war head, whether or not that survived reentry, but this entry puts alaska in range and that s a big concern at the pentagon. argument could be made the options available for this white house are all not very good. you can do nothing, you can try to negotiate, try to add more pressure, or military action. here s how former d.o.d. chief of staff jeremy bash described that scenario. take a listen. the options on the table for america are very limited and one of the things i think the trump administration is really weighing is preemptive military action. if they see another missile launched on a launch pad or on the back of a wheeled vehicle as we saw in the images today, the trump administration will have to decide whether to strike that preemptively. of course that could spark a wider war on the korean peninsula. colonel, what do you think is the most likely next step? i think it s to squeeze china. china is the linchpin, anything we can do to get china to put some pressure on north korea is going to be termed much less scary than any kind of preemptive action. i think we re working very, very hard with china to try to squeeze some banks, but thus far, china doesn t want to see any kind of dislocations on the korean peninsula. they re happy with the status quo because everything else is much, much worse. i think you can see some cyberattacks perhaps by the united states. we re pretty good at cyber attacks on the offense, not too goods on the defense, but we might try something there. the north koreans would love to sit down and talk with the united states one-on-one. we re not going to do that. we want china and maybe even japan, the philippines involved as well. so thus far, i think military action is unlikely. we ve got about 30,000 u.s. troops within artillery range of the north korean border. we re not going to endaenger them, i don t think. professor kelly in that one tweet, the president mentioned southbound, japan, and china. where do you see these meetings going and the importance of these meetings at the g-20 that s coming up? sure. i think the g-20 is the most important vep you for pushing north korea because you need g-20 states to cooperate if the sanctions are going to work. the sanctions are most likely the most peaceful way to do this. military action with north korea has enormous risks, human shields, they might laumpk against japan or south korea. the risks are gigantic. so likely they ll continue to request for sanctions and the best way to do that is to work through a large organization like g-20 that represents the world economy. this whole thing is about china. in the meantime, garrett, off president who had made it very clear that his patience was running out even before you had the american student otto warmbier who of course as everyone knows came back to the united states and died shortly after. he expressed how angry he was about that. is there any sense from the people you re talking to at the white house that this has changed the equation in any way in terms of the president s patience? well, chris, i m glad you mentioned otto warmbier because it s important to remember none of this happens in a vacuum. the president was always furious at the north koreans for the way that situation played out. and remember it was on the eve of his first meeting with the chooe president that we had another north korean missile launch a few months ago. so there s a sense of a developing trend here of north korea stepping on the president s toes, trying to be involved in these big on the eve of these big multilateral, these big foreign events so far. the president s made very clear they don t want to telegraph what they want to to. they like the idea of being sort of strategically unpredictable here. but again, so far the line from the white house has been on all of these north korea issues that the era of strategic patience is over. but we don t know what the follow-up is going to be. so we haven t seen that second step yet and the white house is perfectly happy to leave that unspoken until they make a more concrete decision. yeah. professor kelly, do you see more patience here? do you think that the president and the international community for that matter can sort of wait this out and see where north korea goes next? i do think patience is sort of what will happen because the military options are so terrible and we ve been trying to do sanction against north korea for such a long time. it s just not cheer how many more moves we have on the outside. like i said, i think a lot of this comes back to china s willingness to sanction north korea or not. so strategic patience, you can sort of say that s a terrible title and people don t like it, but that continues to be what we re doing, continues to be conventional deterrence and containment of north korea, trying to prevent them from doing these things, slow them down as much as possible. it s not clear what the other big options are because if there were great options they would have been chosen or tried a long time ago. how close are we getting to the point, colonel, that the u.s. has to say we can t wait any more, we have to make a decisive move here? well, some people say we ve long past that point. we ve kicked this can down the road, we and china both for a long, long time, decades, a series of administrations has ignored the problem until now. we re in a position where we either have to ignore the next step, which is the capability of north korea to mount a miniaturized nuclear weapon atop an intercontinental ballistic missile or take some decisive action. i think the next thing to do or that we re going to try to do is as i said probably use cyber means to disable or make it extremely difficult for them to continue their research, but at the end of the day, squeezing china is absolutely the way to go and i think we re going the keep working on that. don t forget, we just sent a guided missile destroyer down to the contested parasell island which china has claimed as it own. we spent about $1.5 billion worth of military hardware to taiwan. and we re now talking about squeezing leaning on china still further by limiting imports of chinese steel, and we import a lot of that. lots more left to do, but quite frankly not a whole lot of time to do it. a lot of people estimate that it s only 12, 18, maybe 24 months before north korea has the capability to mount a nuclear weapon on an icbm. as the u.s. takes these actions that jack just laid out and obviously continues to kor what else they might do, what else china might do, the pentagon is always ready for the possibility, right? am i correct in saying? that the president might make a decision that could surprise everyone and say we need to take some sort of military action here. yeah. just because the pentagon has options and they re also planning for options and continue tip general sis doesn t mean there s been a strategic sort of decision made to launch those options. so when you ask pentagon officials about options for north korea, they give you sort of a standard response saying we always have options. just what those options are and how close the president is to receiving advice from the joint staff, from secretary mattis, we don t have an answer to that. i think that s by design because they want to keep everyone guessing. just real quickly on these navigation move, these freedom of navigation operation where is they say a destroyer somewhere in the south china sea, the chinese get upset with this but the international view on this is that these sorts of maneuvers, they re called fons, f freedom of navigation, it s where to sail a ship international waters. what the u.s. officials say is this isn t even an issue. we re in international waters and the fact china protests, that should not be a major thing because really what we re just doing is following international regulations. guys? and professor, i can t let you go because some people may recognize you from that now-famous video where you were doing an interview with i think this was bbc, and your kids came out, who we all immediately fell in love with. how have they and how have you handled your 15 minutes of fame? yeah. it s been pretty strange for a while there, people were like following us around and we had to turn off our phones for a week or so, do ta big press conference. it s faded a little bit. we still get phone calls and people do remember it when i go to speak about korea and the first five questions are about my kids, not about north korea s weapons or something. i like to think we re a serious organization. we don t ask until the end. that s right. thank you. they re fine, though. i appreciate you being with us today. hans nicholls, garrett haake, colonel jacobs, professor kelly, thanks for your insight. up next, much more on this morning s breaking news, president trump calling on china to intervene in north korea, but is beijing a dependable partner? 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(giggling) bird: new birds eye veggie made. so veggie good. the trump administration facing a new escalation in tensions with north korea this morning after the rogue nation claimed it successfully launched its first long-range intercontinental ballistic missile last night. it s sure to be a topic of discussion at the g-20 summit later this week when president trump heads to germany and where he ll also meet with vladimir putin for the first time face-to-face on friday, which the trump administration is calling a, quote, bilateral pull-aside. joining me now, former deputy assistant secretary of state and president of washington strategy group, joel rubin, along with moveon.org senior adviser and spokesperson corinne jean-pierre, and republican strategist joe watkins. joe, your take first on what we saw from north korea in the overnight hours in the united states. what do you make of it? thank you. very troubling. this is a sorry. sorry. we have joe and joel. joel, what do you make of it? not a problem. my wife says i should be named josh anyways so maybe that would have helped. it s very troubling but it s a consistent pattern of provocation by north korea. from an american perspective, this is very dangerous because we currently have a disnuclear plant diplomacy. we don t really know what the administration intend to do, now it intend to engage china, do we have a diplomatic track. we haven t really leaned in on diplomacy with north korea. it s all been bluster, talking about ramping up pressure, getting china to do things. is there such a thing as real diplomacy with a rogue nation like this and with such an unpredictable leader as kim jong-un? well, we haven t explored it. just a week or ago or so six eminent former national security adviser leaders, bipartisan, richard lugar, bill perry, they put out a letter calling for more direct diplomacy. we had done this about 20 years ago in the clinton administration. there was an agreement to freeze some parts of the nuclear program. it wasn t perfect, but then we saw the bush administration cancel that and we ve essentially had 5 years of very we called it strategic patience, essentially strategic nothing at this point. and we ve just watched north korea continue to grow its program. so we really do need to use all the tools of american power and diplomacy is a key part of that. joe, this time joe watkins, perhaps he s underestimating kim jong-un. what s your take? the president is certainly surrounded by a lot of very capable people, military advisers and others who understand the complexity of the challenge. you know, i think president trump is right to call on china to exert more pressure on north korea, but the challenge is that as we all know, china at best has a strained relationship with north korea. i mean, their relationship has kind of been in decline over the last couple of years and the korean dictator, kim jong-un, has done some things to provoke china. he visited a munitions factory i think in march of 2016, one that the chinese had openly talked against. and so he s done some things to china as well to provoke them and so depending on china alone probably won t get it all done, but clearly china has to be seen as a key player in reining in north korea. we heard from the president not so long ago talking about kim jong-un. let me play what he said. at a very young age he was able to assume power. a lot of people i m sure tried to take that power away, whether it was his uncle or anybody else, and he was able to do it. so obviously he s a pretty smart cookie. corinne, when you pair that with this morning s tweet, what do you take away about the president s mind-set here? he s proven to be reckless and dangerous here. you cannot when it comes to foreign policy, especially as complicated as this one with north korea, reduce it to 140 characters. it is just not the way to go. to be fair, he did it in two tweets so maybe it was closer to 280 characters. ? that s true. good point, chris. also nearly every military expert will tell you that you cannot deal with this issue with north korea with military force. it needs to be diplomacy. one of my other concerns is donald trump has yet to appoint an ambassador to south korea. we just haven t hasn t shown anything here to really move forward with having conversation and really allowing diplomacy to be in place here. obviously will be a key topic at the g-20. joel rubin, president trump set to meet face-to-face with vladimir putin, the white house confirming in the last hour or so this is going to happen on friday. how do you see that meeting playing out? well, we wonder if this will be the cathartic meeting that most americans really want to see, which is the president telling vladimir putin that you should not have invaded our democracy in 2016 and you need to stop it, and here s what we re going to do and to be very open in acknowledging it. i won t hold my breath on that. the fear is that this won t be a meeting where the u.s. advances our interests on very key national security priorities dealing with ukraine, dealing with iran, the fight against isis in a way that is convincing and gets the russians on board. a cynic could say could this be a thank-you meeting, could this be kind of meeting where e sechblly trump just says we hope we all get along. president bush did a similar kind of meeting early in his first term in 2001. it didn t work with vladimir putin then. president trump needs to stand up for america in this meeting. in the meantime, joe, there is a lot of talk about whether or not the president will raise the issue of russian interference in the election. 17 obviously intelligence agent sis have said that it happened. virtually every member of congress has said of any stature on any of the relevant committees has said it happened, that it s a threat to our democracy. but there s this new op-ed in the washington post this morning and it s titled if trump doesn t raise election interference with putin, he s inviting more in 2018. do you agree? well, that s a very, very good point. but i agree with joel that we re not likely to see a contentious meeting with vladimir putin. i m not expecting one anyway. i m not expecting president trump to confront him. i m certainly not to raise this issue, which of course has all of us in the united states transfixed. i think for the most part this is a get to know you meeting and i think that he s probably looking to play nice and to get to know vladimir putin. he ll be feeling him out and vladimir putin will be feeling donald trump out. so donald trump s not afraid of controversy at the same time. obviously, at the g7 summit, you know, the paris climate issue was front and center and donald trump was not didn t back away from the controversy from the controversial stance to back out of that accord. but nonetheless, i expect this meeting to not be so controversial and more of a get to know you. in the meantime, if we look at karine, his business life and the people who have been around him for not just years but decades and they talk about how he can go into a room, dominate a room, likes to go in, he can be an intimidating figure, some would say bullying figure, what do you expect out of this meeting? you know, i think we can t forget here that russia is an adversary. they openly tried to undermine our elections here. there is this question of putin trump seems to have this friendly relationship with putin already, which is quite troubling. look, our friends and our foes will be looking at this meeting. the world will be watching. and i think for americans we want donald trump to actually be the donald trump of, hey, why did this happening, why did you guys do this when it comes to his meeting with putin. karine jean-pierre, great to see you. joel, joe, great to see you. up next, the weather around the country as we all get ready to celebrate this fourth of july. a and the new jersey shutdown ends but governor chris christie says he s not apologizing for using a beach that he closed to the public. but before we go, the late show and stephen colbert may have been off for the holiday but they still found time to send out this important public service announcement from man s best friend, and it finally explains in a geopolitical context dogs fear of fireworks. there s a common misconception that boom boom scary time bothers us because of our sensitive ears. the truth is fireworks frighten us because honestly, we re a little on edge about north korea. maybe it s their recent tests of intercontinental ballistic missiles or maybe it s just us dogs freaking out about something that s not even there like we sometimes do what was that? 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i think for the most part, chris, absolutely. it could have been a lot worse. we ve seen washouts on the fourth but not this one. there was some rain that worked its way across oklahoma city into dallas, but those storms are dissipating in terms of intensity. for those of you that are hitting the road, maybe you re going out of town to celebrate the fourth of july, this is where you may have some trouble spots, from oklahoma city to minneapolis, also raleigh, cincinnati to atlanta on 75, for example. you may see some isolated thunderstorms. your ride tomorrow, the storms push a little further east so we ll be impacted on i-95 from philly through jacksonville to florida, memphis to birmingham and st. louis to oklahoma city. so that s where you may have to dodge a shower or thunderstorm, but the celebration in new york city tonight looks terrific. 79 degrees, comfortable conditions, and mostly clear skies. temperatures are also on the way up in the east. there s our jet stream well to the north. and that s going to allow for comfortable conditions for today and then much warmer conditions as we go through the end of the week. it will really start to heat up as we get above normal compared to what we ve seen. speaking of heat, unfortunately an excessive heat watch will go into effect i d say by wednesday into arizona and then thursday to sunday for southwestern saks sections of california, north of los angeles into the valleys and the mountains there, 9 million people at risk for excessive and dangerous heat. again, that s not today but towards the end of the week. looking at the forecast for this holiday, strong storms in the central and southern plains, hot conditions across areas to the west. some storms working their way into the southeast. the northeast looking great, so even celebrations into boston also look terrific. and then by tomorrow, those storms push a little further east. that s where the weather threat is for those of you traveling. the heat will begin to build further to the west and for those of you flying not looking at too much in the way of delays for today and tomorrow. overall, a nice-looking holiday. bonnie schneider, thank you so much. temperatures in new jersey will be in the 80s and just in time, beaches across the state have opened once again after that statewide government shutdown ended last night. but what s not entding are questions for governor chris christie on his decision to hit a closed beach with his family. the governor was let s say less than apologetic during a press conference to announce the end of the shutdown. listen, i think i of prove en in the last eight years i don t care about political optics. i care about right and wrong. if i have a chance to make, i think i ve proven over the last eight years i have a chance to make between my family and political optics i m going to choose my family. ron allen, karine jean-pierre and joe watt kipps. okay, ron, he says that this is about right and wrong, but from what i m gathering reading the new jersey newspapers, most of the citizens there think he s fot this one wrong. his approval rate were 15% before this and now they may go down even further. he can t win. his story is that he was at an official goc nor s residence with a beach that he always goes to. his story is it was a family commitment he wanted to keep and he was there for just a short time. but the government is shut town, state parks across the state are shut down. people are changing their plans for the holiday weekend. this is day three of a shutdown and he s photographed on this beach. and last night at this press conference he was unrepentant, he was sarcastic, he was fighting back in typical chris christie fashion. and that doesn t help him i don t think either at times. it just feeds into the narrative so many people have in their heads he s got six months left in office, people didn t like the fact he ran for president so much time out of the state, they think he s phoning it in. and looking at him on a beach as we did, it looks like decides to go to the beach while the government is still shut down, while a lot of people s lives and livelihoods hang in the balance. joe watkins, you re the republican here. do you buy and you re also a family man. i know you to take some weekend ace way with your family and you care about that. do you buy his argument i m putting my family first here? i do buy it. obviously the optics are not good but he doesn t care about the optics, the political optics. he really does care about his family. his sonapologized to him. his son came to him and said, dad i m sorry i caused you all the trouble. he said don t you ever apologize for this. i love my family, i love you. he was out on the beach with his son and his wife and with his son s many friends and just spending a little bit of time because they don t have as much time together given his official duties as governor of new jersey. i believe that and i understand it. it didn t look good. would you have done that, joe? i have been married to my best friend, stephanie anntaylor watkins for a long time, and we have three beautiful children together who were all married, all three of our children have children, including two twins that were born this week and a 10-month-old and congratulations but you re not answering my question. yeah. i would put them first. i would put them first. you can t take them anywhere else for the fourth of july? oh only place is to take them to the beach? i ve been married for a long time. i listen to my wife. my wife told me to be on that beach, i d be on that beach. okay. karine, phil murphy running on democratic side. you saw the tweets from the hoo lieutenant governor on the republican side who has 7 1/2 years of bag badge from chris christie and a 15% approval rating to run on. are democrats celebrating they might win back the governorship there? well, i think we have a very good chance of winning the governorship there. i mean, you re talking about chris christie, who is going to be known as the least popular governor ever in new jersey. but, look, this is typical christ christie style. there s nothing new here. when i heard the story, i was like, yep, that sounds like something chris christie would do. he s gutted public education, gutted health care services, gutted services to the poor, and his last final act is to shut down the government and on a long holiday is to close the beach so that he can be sitting on the beach himself? i mean, with all of that, that type of managerial style, that type of behavior, he s going to fit in very well in the trump administration. joe, this isn t the first time he s done this. in 2010 he famously stayed at disney world. new jersey was digging out from a massive snowstorm. but let me pose the other very real side of this. there were families woies who w coming to that beach in their cars who were turned away. they pay for those beaches to be maintained, pay for the lifeguards with their tax dollars. he s not working on the budget. he s sitting on the beach. he s not trying to close this gap they had at the time. that s part of it. second part of it, frankly, and the lieutenant governor tweeted about this, there are a lot of businesses who are around those beach, who depend on holiday weekends, frankly, for a big chunk of the money, the prof its they make that allow them to keep operating and allow them to continue to employ people, especially over the summer at the shore in new jersey. is it appropriate in a situation like this, which is rare, to put the constituents who hired you ahead of what your family might want to do on the beach? or let them go to the beach and you stay back and do your job? yeah, well, you raise great points, chris. obviously, in a perfect world, you do what the constituents need you to do and what they want you to do and you do what politically and optically looks best by staying off the beach. but this was a tough one. i mean, he s had a tough go the last few months. his poll ratings are not high. he doesn t get to spend much time with his family. he was asked to come on the beach. he wasn t there very long. he was only there for about 30 or 40 minutes nonethele s or le nonetheless it was photographed. karine, how long before we see this picture in a democratic ad? oh, not too long. i think it s in the works right now. joe watkins, ka rip jean-pierre, thank you. ron allen, always good to have you here my friend. up next, president trump weighing in on the controversial situation surrounding a terminally ill infant in london, offering to help, but should he be weighing in on international situations as we debate our own health care in this country? 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you know, not really. the president sort of tweeted this a little out of left field yesterday. it was his first public comment on this controversy that has taken up has picked up steam in europe and, you know, the president has introduced it here in the u.s. the white house has said he s not trying to pressure the family, he just wants to be helpful if possible and the president hasn t spoke on the family personally although other white house officials have. as we know, kelsey, the republicans have been having a hard time moving forward on the health care bill in the states, a bill frankly president trump said needed to have heart. so you wonder is this an attempt by him just to show heart, to show sympathy with this family that has a heartrending decision, or is there also an appeal here to the religious right? you know, it s very difficult to figure out exactly what what the president is trying to do with these tweets. we see him tweeting like this about just about anything and it s sometimes hard to know if this is a part of a broader strategy, if it s because somebody mentioned something to him and he decided he wanted to weigh in, or if something else is happening behind the scenes at the white house that s trying to direct policy in the u.s. very difficult to determine because the president s tweets have been just so unpredictable. i talked to a few staffers in congress who said that this wasn t really on their radar and they don t really know how to respond because, you know, members aren t even here. there are conversations ongoing about health care, we do know that, but it s very unclear to me how this fits into the bigger health care picture. and i want to talk about that in just a minute, but when you talk about the president going to the g-20 and all the leaders are going to be there, even theresa may has not weighed in on this. i mean, obviously the complexities of this issue, the difficulty, louis that almost any feeling person would have as they look at both sides of this as kept her from weighing in, kept other leaders in the uk from weighing in. you wonder if there will be any tensions there over the idea that he decided to put himself in the middle of it. yeah, and it s certainly a particularly thorny issue and it s one that i think for an american audience seems a little bit different than how we handle things here. the courts in the u.s. generally don t involve themselves in sort of medical decisions. they usually leave those sorts of things to doctors and families. obviously, things are handled differently in the uk, that the courts do play a much more significant role in these sorts of decisions like the one that charlie gard s family is dealing with right now. certainly this is a situation the president has sort of inserted himself and like kelsey was saying seemingly a little bit out of left field. in the meantime, you mentioned, kelsey, a lot of these lawmakers who got caught, essentially, with this is this wasn t something they were expecting. they re at home. there s only a handful of republican senators who actually have any public appearances during this time, and a lot of them as they probably suspect from the phone calls they ve been getting would be facing some pretty angry constituents who are wondering what s going to happen with their health care. so they re not in washington, they re not formally meeting, but what do we with know about what s going on behind the scenes to try and move this forward on the republican side? we do know that senate majority leader mitch mcconnell has been sending bits and pieces of legislation to the congressional budget office to figure out how much some changes might cost and to figure out frankly if any of these things are possible to be added. the senate has a mandate to save a certain amount of money. they will need to save about $131 billion with this health care bill. and some of the changes that they re looking at like increasing money for treatment of opioid abuse and potentially, you know, making some changes to state regulations, those would cost some money and they need to figure out if that s feasible. i would expect that they will continue these negotiations through about the second week of july. lawmakers don t come back until monday and they ll need some time to review the changes, review the new cbo score, and then maybe, maybe if they can get together op some solutions, some changes to this bill, we could see a vote in about a week, two weeks, maybe three. louis, what are you expecting? she mexed, which is very important, the republicans want the cbo to look at this again with some of the changes that have been made. they re hoping to get some numbers that are not quite so daunting for them about the number of people who would lose coverage. there s also this talk about should they do a repeal and worry about replacing later. what do you see happening when they get back on monday? boy, you know, it s really hard to say. there doesn t seem to be a it s hard to see where the momentum is towards them reaching an agreement, but, you know, it s easy to forget, too, when the house was trying to negotiate this deal, was trying to pass its own health care legislation, they had to pull it down from a vote as well, and for a long time they didn t seem like they were ever going to be able to reach that compromise. they were in the same place that the senate is now. the house managed to reach that compromise, that senate majority is a lot narrower for republicans than the house majority is, so whether or not they can actually get there, it s going to be even a tinier needle to have to thread, but, you know, they ve been running on this for years now. it s hard for me personally to imagine that they don t find a way either by passing repeal and replace together or by separating the two pieces of legislation like you ve mentioned. louis nelson from politico, kelsey snell from the washington post, thanks to both of you. happy fourth. coming up, venus williams won her first match at wimbledon yesterday, but the press conference afterwards took an emotional turn when she was asked about a fatal car crash she was involved in. we ll head to london for what she said, next. 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comcast business is different. we deliver super-fast internet with speeds of 250 megabits per second across our entire network, to more companies, in more locations, than centurylink. we do business where you do business. that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. i m chris jansing. thank you for watching. you and your family have a happy fourth of july. coming up right now, more news with my friend hallie jackson in washington. thank you, my dear. good morning to all of you, too, as we kick off a surprisingly busy 60 minutes on this holiday. watching new developments on a couple critical foreign policy fronts. you know the u.s. is working on its final assessment on what kind of missile exactly north korea test fired overnight. but at the moment, all signs point to a significant step forward for pyongyang which is cheering all of this. you see it right there. the president looks to that face-to-face and north korea is at the top of that agenda. no holiday off for our team covering all of this. i want to bring in hans nichols and kristen welker at the white house. and msnbc military analyst retired armarm y attorney gener. have we learned anything about what this launch means moving forward? they re still assessing whether or not it was an intercontinental ballistic missile. it was intermediate range and flew for 37 minutes. basically went straight up in the air and came back down. that gives it a theoretical range of more than 4,000 miles putting parts of alaska in play. so, a lot of this back and forth on whether or not it was an ibcm or an intermediate range. the fact that alaska could be hit is a major game change in all of this and we ll see what the pentagon is saying. reporting out of the ap reporting that china and russia proposed this idea of having a missile test on north korea. if the south koreans and the u.s. don t do joint military exercises. in the past that has been a nonstarter for this administration. hallie? hans, anything from pentagon officials on that aspect of it or too early to say for that? you know, in the past the pentagon has been very clear that they do not want to get into and, as well as the state department. this for that negotiation. got it. what they think is that they need to be able to conduct military operations with their south korean allies and that is not a bargaining chip. kristen, hans gave us the overview from the state department and white house overnight we saw the president reacting to this. raising eyebrows with this idea that china will have to do a heavy move. what does that mean? do we know? first, let s look at the president s tweet, hallie.
as special counsel robert mueller wants russia probe now includes tony podesta we are learning his company lob idea for the uranium one deal. we need special counsel to investigate the uranium one episode for thousands of dollars former president bill clinton from roots tied to russia. for those telling me to shut up, they told hillary that a couple months ago. do you know what i tell them? go to hell. i m going to tell my story. brian: right to a fox news alert now. it s not good news. the tight knit texas community serving for answers after a gunman in tactical gear turns sunday church services into a blood bath. 26 people dead. 20 others are hurt. including young children. it s devastating for us and our community, but god is still in control. steve: after the shooting started, a brave member of the community chased the gunman away from the first baptist church in slandz before he could kill even more people. police later found the gunman in his car dead after a chase. ainsley: now investigators want to know why the former gun dig into troubled past. brian: in the military. ainsley: todd piro is in sutherland springs with the details for us. todd: good morning although a somber one. a different picture now. right now the only sounds you hear are the sound of other reporters on scene and those of generators lighting the area behind me here. you can see the church lit behind me. you can also see the tent where investigators are feverishly working to figure out why this happened. last night a vigil was held for the victims killed by 26-year-old devin patrick kelly. authorities say kelly was dressed in a ballistic vest when he arrived at a valero gas station near the first baptist church around 11:20 a.m. at a news conference last night, officials said he crossed the street to the church and began firing a ruger ar. assault type rifle. kelly then entered the church and fired at worshipers inside. according to the military, kelly, who is believed to live outside of san antonio was in the air force until 2014. he was court martialed in 2012 for assaulting his wife and child. kelly worked as a security guard for texas water park this past summer according to race may under his name that appears online. investigators said kelly did not appear to be connected to any organized terror groups. the governor of texas had this to say on the magnitude of this horrible act. as a state, we are dealing with the largest mass shooting in our state s history. the tragedy is worsened that it occurred in a church, a place of worship. one of the victims in this close ni close knit communy the daughter of the church s pastor, a 14-year-old little girl named anna bell. the massacre could have been worse if not for the bravery of two local men who chase after kelly. now, the shooter was found dead. although at this point in time it s unclear if that is a result of fire from police, from one of those two men who chased after him, or if it was a self-inflicted gunshot wound. back to you. steve: all right, todd. thank you very much. he said two men. apparently a neighbor nearby heard the shooting. it was very loud. grabbed his rifle and then went and engaged the guy as he was leaving the church. and then the guy took off in his car. but then he went over to a guy who was sitting in his car, sitting in the truck and he said okay, see that guy right there, he just took off, he just shot a bunch of people inside the church, let s go. ainsley: so they get in his car. they chase this gunman, this alleged gunman. and eventually, as todd was just saying, the gunman s car goes down over a ravine in a ditch. they held that guy there with the guns until the coming could finally arrive. brian: we don t know how he ultimately lost his life. because so far neither one of them are talking. here is johnny laggendorf. he helped chase down the suspect. i pulled up on the intersection and i saw the shooter coming from the cars, actually right outside the church that were parked. his vehicle was parked, door open, engine running, and him and the neighbor across the street were both coming out about the same time exchanging fire. and as he came up, he i never got a look at him. i never really saw him. i just i saw the gunfire. the shooter got in his truck. the gentleman with the rifle came to my truck as the shooter took off, and he briefly he briefed me quickly on what had just happened and said that we had to get him. and so that s what i do. we just take pursuit. we speed over 87 through traffic and, like i said, we hit about 95 going down 59 trying to catch this guy. until he eventually lost control on his own and went off in the ditch. he just hurt so many people and he just affected so many people s lives. why wouldn t you want to take him down? steve: absolutely. in fact, the guy with the gun, told the guy who was driving, the guy right there we just saw in the cowboy had. he had one goal, that was to try to get him. we do not know the name of the hero neighbor with the gun, clearly the police are trying to figure out what happened. his name, i would imagine, will be released later today. brian: it s amazing too, if you consider the town is between 600 people. he shot almost 5% of the entire town in that one church. you have to wonder, too. the only thing they put together is that the mother-in-law s post office box was in that town and we do know in 2012 todd went over he had dishonorable discharge for abuse. this is a behavioral issue. deranged. mental health issue. steve: there s a linked in account that a number of news sources are quoting says that he was a former bible school teacher. he was registered as a security guard at a nearby water park. ainsley: with kids. steve: he had ties to the church through relatives. he did not go to that churn. in fact, according to the daily mail, they talked to some of his classmates from high school. they described him as creepy and crazy and weird. he was an outcast. he preached about atheism. his atheism online before the massacre. he talked about how people who believe in god are stupid. ainsley: among the 26 killed, that 14 little girl that you saw there, the pastor s daughter, a 5-year-old and a pregnant woman. going back to the politics of it, many people are saying you can t pray for something like this. you re being stupid if you pray if you turn to god. where is god in a situation like this? a lot of celebrities are weighing in on this, too. brian: a lot of people quickly say oh this is an opportunity to push gun control. guns are the problem. the age old debate. chelsea handler who quit being funny before she quit her show. she also decided she is not doing netflix, also no one was watching. she was ahead of netflix late night show and click on when you wanted to and no one decided to. this was an opportunity to tweet this out. innocent people go to church on sunday to honor their god, and while doing so, get shot in killed. what country? america. why? republicans. steve: meanwhile, if you recall, it was just this past week donald trump, the president of the united states, took a lot of criticism because he criticized the terrorists with the home depot truck the day after the guy ran over the people on the west side highway. that was the day after. because he had said the guy came into the country on the diversity visa program. well, former president barack obama actually weighed in and was political just a number of hours after what happened. he tweeted: may god also grant us all the wisdom to ask what concrete stepping we can do to reduce the violence and weaponry in our midst. reduce the weaponry. in other words, sounds like gun control. ainsley: the president is doing the asia tour. he said it s not about gun control. this is about a deranged individual. this is swuren who he was in the military. people are complaining about his personality. you know, obviously, this guy is not right in the head. in order to be able to do something like, this and walk into a church and take the lives of 26 people, you have to be deranged. steve: he beat his wife and kids. ainsley: right. it s a mental health issue. brian: president trump said this when he was quickly addressing that while he is on this long trip. he came out and addressed the texas shooting. you cannot put into words the pain and grief we all feel and we cannot begin to imagine the suffering of those who lost the ones they so dearly loved. our hearts are broken. but, in dark times. and these are dark times, such as these, americans do what they do best. we pull together. we join hands, we lock arms, and through the tears and through the sadness, we stand strong. oh, so strong. ainsley: you have to think about this issue when you talk about gun control. those two heroes, the guys that chased him. the suspect didn t go on to kill more people. no telling what his plans were next. he was stopped because of a gunshot. because of a gun. steve: a guy had a gun. ainsley: i do believe though if you do have mental health issues, we do need to look at that you shouldn t have guns. you shouldn t be able to buy them. brian: when you are dishonorablably charged you are not supposed to have a gun. steve: i don t know what it disqualify disqualifies you though. ainsley: how did he get the gun? steve: maybe he bought it legally. brian: tactical gear or off the internet. ainsley: i do believe in the power of prayer two. years ago my little girl was born and that was after a lot of prayers and great gift from god. i know you were born today is your birthday. jackie: yes, it is. ainsley: happy birthday. jackie: good morning to you guys and to you at home. president trump and first lady attending a state banquet with the prime minister. he met with the japanese emperor greeting him with a handshake instead of the bow. president obama was criticized for bowing nearly to the floor when he met the enper roar. a warm welcome for first lady melania trump from toke co. grade school students there she joined japan s first lady writing the word peace in calligraphy: sergeant first class steven was killed during combat operations in afghanistan. the 33-year-old from california was just weeks into his third deployment. he leaves behind his wife, his high school sweetheart, two young children, just 3 and 5 years old. and turns out senator rand paul s injuries are far worse than we thought after he was attacked by a neighbor outside of his kentucky home. we now know paul suffered five broken ribs. it s unclear when he will be able to return to washington. paul tackled from behind while mowing his lawn by this guy, his accuser. is renee giewcialer. he was very vocal about anti-republican stance. those are your headlines. back to you guys. steve: tackled by the neighbor. five ribs broken. brian: that s painful. 12 minutes after the hour. ainsley: three police officers battle smoke and flames to save a woman from a burning car. the dramatic rescue caught on camera. steve: donna brazile firing back at her critics. and there are many. telling me to shut up. they told hillary that a couple months ago. do you know what i tell them? 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(distant) you comin , boy? sfx: (dog) gulp! woof. i supported hillary, and i wanted her to win. the people who are making the decisions, even for the dnc, they didn t come and work with us. they told us to shut up and basically let them win the elections. ryan brian wow. she was lightening it up yesterday. donna brazile unleashing on fellow democrats. her bombshell revealing how much hold the clinton machine had on the democratic party and they still lost. steve: dinesh da souza filmmaker and author of the big lie joins us to weigh in. so many bombshells here. where do you want to start? i will start by it s not what done that brazil said is new. it s insider confirmation of what outsiders have been saying for a long time. so, look at trump. look at the way trump is vindicated in his insinuation that this democratic primary was rigged. steve: he was right. it s a pattern. it s almost like trump puts us into his i told you so, i m right again file. trump says that the media ridicules it. trump proves to be right. brian: arrogance of brooklyn. she talked about being essentially assigned to feeling like a slave. now, this is incredible. because this goes beyond the rigging allegation. she is now saying something that, again, many of us have insinuated or suspected, namely that the democratic party operates like a plantation. and they expect people like donna brazile to be oversears or happy slaves on the plantation. if they go out of line. if they sing a different song, they come under fierce attack. and basically donna brazile was saying i m not taking it. i m walking off this plantation. the very language of it, i m not patsy the slave, i think that was her quote. stunning. brian: it is. wind dough into the soul of the democratic party. steve: surely. ultimately, the dnc was in the tank for hillary because she essentially bought and bought off the dnc because they needed money. here she is talking about that. i raised the money now you got to get sign off from brooklyn. this wasn t a standing joint fundraising agreement. they had a separate memorandum of understanding. and i needed to break that. in order to break it, i would cause a great commotion. so, yeah, i m not patsy the slave because i got sick and tired of people telling me how to spend money when all i was trying to do. steve: there is that sound bite. it s not only startling they had this financial leverage, it s also that donna brazile said she felt fear of the clintons. think about that. i mean, i made a movie about hillary. i felt fear about the clintons. i never said so. i never hingtsed it. donna brazile says the gives you the idea the clintons are math i can t. run up along them on the wrong side. brian: you go ahead and marginalize donna brazile. and go ahead and marginalize an african-american american leader of the democratic party and tell her she doesn t know what she is talking about. you guys go have have it. there is a joint memo saying donna brazile is now repeating rejudge tailgating rea russian line. now they are accusing donna brazile of being a pawn of the russians. steve: quite a book. brian: that is a huge leap, hugest leap yet. dinesh da souza thank you very much. my pleasure. steve: coming up on this monday, the democrats say the healthcare plan is going to kill you. isn t obamacare totally collapsing? 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here to wa weigh in on this is dr. nicole saphier. great to see you, dr. is a fire. what needs to change if you have a message for congress, what is it this morning? oh, wow, we don t have that much time so i m going to keep it short. easy to say no one is really happy with where we are at right now. no more than two years ago. that s because the republicans can t get out of their own way. the democrats are refusing to negotiate with the white house, so president trump said well, i m just going to do what i can and hasten the collapse of the affordable care act and he has done that by cutting off the cost sharing reductions or bailout some people referred to it. narrowed the open enrollment period. he isn t advertising for it we may see this week in the tax bill they may be getting rid of the individual mandate. ainsley: there are several insurance companies, more of them. not several seven of them pulling out next year. we have a list. if this is one of your insurance companies we re going to ask you advice. humana, anthem, aetna, molina, blue cross blue shield, optima and medica. who is left? you do have united healthcare group a giant. they have markedly increased their premiums deductibles and co-pays. 3 to 5 million americans who lost their employment sponsored plans with the implementation of the affordable care act. they are caught in the crossfire of political warfare right now. these people who do depend on the exchange, they have to search around, shop around in their state exchanges. the cheapest plan isn t necessarily the best plan. you want to find the most value for the dollar. so considering a silver or gold plan may be better than going for the bronze plans. ainsley: any other advice for the folks in that category because they don t have anywhere else to turn. it s true and president trump is going to have to hasten the response. the republicans and the democrats are going to have to come together or else we will go into a single pair system. hopefully what i want to see is private and public come together, some catastrophic plans and direct primary care with hsa s. i think if we have healthcare reform, that s our long-term solutions. ainsley: okay. you can enroll with obamacare november 1st through december 15th. it s only six weeks. president obama took to twitter last week on wednesday reminding everyone to sign up because that s his baby. if you need insurance, most people know about the open enrollment, people are choosing not to enroll. ainsley: thank you so much. top story, a tiny church community worse mass church shooting in history. pastor jeffress is here with a message of hope. investigating collusion between trump and russia. what have they turned up? 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you know, more than 30 years ago, when i was pastoring a small town church in west texas, a man stopped. he was going through town, and he asked if he could talk to me. he wanted to tell me about something that had happened to him a few years earlier. in june of 1980, he was in the church service at first baptist church dangerville, texas when a gunman burst through the front door, opened fire on the parishioners, killing five. seated next to this man was his 11-year-old daughter, and he told me watched as the gunman literally blew her face off with a gun blast. you know, he said his faith was shaken but it wasn t destroyed. and you know, when we find ourselves in a situation where we cannot reconcile our faith in god with our circumstances, we have a choice. we can either give up our faith in god, or we can keep trusting god even in the darkness. and when we find ourselves in the darkness, and we can t see god s hands, we can always trust god s heart. and that s what these church members in sutherland springs are doing right now. they don t understand the why, none of us do. but they trust god s heart. steve: hard to get your head around it. why a loving god would allow something like this to happen. i know you hear that question a lot. well, i do. whenever i hear that, i gently remind people what happened 2,000 years ago when god allowed, it was even a part of his plan to allow his own son, jesus christ, to be tortured, to be nailed to a cross. and you know, on friday afternoon, when jesus was buried, it looked like evil had triumphed over good. but three days later, from the perspective of an empty tomb, it was assured that good would triumph over evil. what i would say about this tragedy is, the final chapter has not yet been revealed. i think good will triumph over evil. brian: on that note, we just found out that the whole shooting was caught on tape. they were rolling inside the church. we ll be able to see that to some degree, i imagine, shortly. meanwhile, people are saying let s think practically. what about security? you have security in your church. what about smaller churches? what could they possibly do? if you want to volunteer as an usher. should you also volunteer as a security guard? yes. i think what we re finding from this example is, perhaps, smaller churches may even be more of a target than larger churches like mine. and, look, you don t have to have a lot of money to do something. you can go to your local police department and ask them to do a threat assessment of your church. you can have an evacuation plan. you can enlist volunteers to serve as security watchers during the services. you can have common sense policies like we do of not allowing backpacks into the sanctuary. i mean, this is the world we re living in. we need to do everything we can to keep our parishioners safe but overall we can t be paralyzed by fear. god hasn t given us a spirit of fear. ainsley: pastor jeffress, what s the definition of faith? and how do you teach parishioners who have faith? faith is believing that god is going to do what he has promised to do. and in this situation, look, evil is real, it s painful, the bible never diminishes that but faith means believing that one day god is going to overcome evil. and that s the hope of every christian. when christ returns, evil will be defeated forever. steve: pastor, i heard one report that there were a number of people in the church but didn t have the guns with them because out of respect for the fact that they were going in a church they left their guns in their car. is that common? it s certainly not common in our church. i would say a quarter to half of our members are conceal carry. they have guns. steve: they bring them into the church with them. they bring them into the church with them. ainsley: probably makes you feel safer. brian: yeah. i think it does. i think, look, if somebody tries that in our church, they may get one shot off, or two shots off, but that s it. and that s the last thing they will ever do in this life. brian: let s see those guys are cowards. they don t like when people don t shoot back. they like to hit defenseless people. that won t be the case anymore. thanks so much, referenced, pastor. thank you. ainsley: jackie has headlines for us. jackie: let s get to headlines after months of investigating the alleged collusion between trump campaign and russia, still have zero evidence this morning. dianne feinstein admitting the probe has hit a dead end. have you seen any evidence that this dirt, these emails were ever given to the trump campaign? not so far. not so far. have you seen any communications that suggested that the trump campaign wanted them to release them through a different means because obviously they were ultimately released by wikileaks? no, i have not. jackie: president trump has denied knowing any connections between his campaign and russians. and the nypd s former top cop issuing a grim warning days after a deadly terror attack in new york city. it is the type of thing that is so easy to do but, the islamic radicals that unfortunately we re going to see more of it. this is the reality that we re going to have to live with. jackie: uzbek man inspired by isis into a bike path on halloween. 8 people are dead. dramatic body cam capturing the moment three police officers pull unconscious woman from her burning car. look at this. you can see the texas officers draggings woman through an open window after she crashed her car into a telephone pole, thankfully she will be okay. all three officers will be honored for their actions as they should be. and the nfl national anthem protest has a legendary sportscaster tuning out. listen to this. out of overwhelming respect and admiration for anyone who puts on a uniform and goes to war. so, the only thing i can do in my little way is not to preach, i will never watch another nfl game. [applause] jackie: legendary vin skully s comments come after they refuse to stop their protest during national anthem. raise their fist, kneeling and stay not guilty locker room during the national anthem. good for him. not doing it anymore. no more games. steve: thank you very much. brian: we mentioned before that we do there is a tape of the entire shooting that we understand that the church rolled on it. so that was that has nothing to do with that picture. steve: that s tony podesta. brian: we can stop showing those pictures for a second. there is even more information on the shooting. steve: there is. apparently now they are able to determine that the shooter did not die from a shot from the good samaritan apparently it was self-inflicted. and keep in mind, after the car crashed, the they found a number of guns inside the vehicle. brian: doesn t diminish the courage of those who pursued him. ainsley: no way. they do roll on the sunday services every sunday. so we have video of last sunday and we re going to show you that later on in the newscast. but they have recovered the tapes from yesterday s shooting as well. i m sure it s going to be very limited what we can see but at least it will help with the investigation. steve: yeah, i don t know if we will be able to see it any time soon but there is video. meanwhile, coming up, a new bombshell about the guy you just saw, that guy right there, tony podesta and that russian uranium deal. and this one could get robert mueller s attention. brian: hope. so unemployment is at 17 year low. the stock market is booming. how do we keep this economic surge going? stuart varney here to discuss. steve: good morning. like the ceiling can t hold us like the ceiling can t hold us but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered. in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. the name to remember. whentrust the brand doctors trust for themselves. nexium 24hr is the number one choice of doctors and pharmacists for their own frequent heartburn. and all day all night protection. when it comes to frequent heartburn, trust nexium 24hr. brian: quick headlines now. so glad you re up. it s monday. we re now learning that tony podesta s company pushed for the uranium one deal. is this unbelievable? this according to the daily caller. the brother of clinton campaign chair john podesta not pictured here, did not file, as a foreign agent while lobbying for the russian s own company from 2012 to 2015, the 2010 uranium one sale is currently the focus of several congressional committee investigations. my head is spinning. and jury deliberations affected today in senator bob menendez s corruption trial. you haven t heard much about that you have. accused taking bribes from florida doctor in exchange for political favors. both men have already pled not guilty. that s them walking. president trump making america work again. the u.s. economy adding 261,000 jobs last month alone. steve: a very proud president tweeting this weekend unemployment is down to 4.1%. lowest in 17 years. 1.5 million new jobs since i took office. highest stock market ever up $5.4 trillion. brian: here to react surprisingly good mood today varney and company the host of that show stuart varney. good morning, stuart. good morning, brian. brian: good to see you. yes, sir. brian: numbers are good for the president. is that good for you as somebody who sits on the sideline and analyzes? sits on the sideline, okay, look, it s a strong economy. the economy is growing. jobs are coming back. the stock market at an all-time high. mortgage rates still at historically low levels, below 4%. but if you think that this republican tax plan is going to grow the economy 4%. if you really think that it s going to be a big addition to our growth in america, i think you re going to be sadly, sadly disappointed. steve: why is that? because, the people who pay ou out the individuals who pay most of the tax now, will pay even more if this tax plan goes through. there is no cut in the tax rate paid by the top 1%. there is a big cut in the deductions which richer people are allowed to deduct. steve: stuart, we had both kevin brady and kevin mccarthy on this program on friday, and they both said nobody s taxes are going to go up. well, taxes, tax rates, that s true. nobody s tax rate goes up. but overall, the amount of money paid by high income earns will go up. that s because the deductions go away. ainsley: do you think he will veto it? because he ran on the facts that you will of a the rates were going to be lower. i think that president trump s base will be the primary beneficiaries from this tax plan as it now emerges. because on the business side, the business tax cuts, there will be more jobs and more investment, that will help middle class people. and there will be a doubling in the standard deduction, that helps middle class people. so that is appeals to mr. trump s base. they will approve of this i m sure. ainsley: what does it mean to you where we are seeing rebounds in the food service industry. drinking establishments and manufacturers? that was largely the drinking establishments, especially, that was a rebound from the hurricane effect. maybe they are drinking more, i don t know. brian: we can all afford the cover insurance to go to the clubs that we always wanted to go to because we have more cash in our pocket. stuart, one thing you are paying attention to the corporate rate cut considerablably. wouldn t that benefit those running those companies? it benefits people who invest in those companies because the stock market will probably stay strong with those business tax rate cuts. that is true. and it probably will stimulate the economy for a little bit more growth. brian: it s not going to get to 4%. we are not going to get to 4% with this plan? i don t want to make that rash prediction. i don t think this plan, as stands, especially because wealthier, you were income people will pay more, i don t think it s going to grow the economy 4%. you may add a half point to g.d.p. i think that s it. but that s my opinion. steve: but what the president has said is this will streamline and simplify the process, you know, you can fill out your taxes on a piece of paper that big. but it will also grow more jobs. if it does reduce the corporate rate, that s going to you know, the companies to hire more people. unfortunately, according to your plan, the people who run the company is going to pay more. let me summarize it like this. the economy will grow but not as much as we hoped for when we originally went in to the idea of cutting taxes. brian: the thing that bothers me about the numbers that have come out that aren t getting played is the labor participation rate. it s still just above 60 and it s not going up. we need more people in the game. yes, we do. this tax package will help that. but i m saying, look, if you think this is going to go to 4% or 5% because we are going to do this tax package, i say think again. ainsley: what would you change in the tax package. people who pay the taxes now, top 1%, should get a cut in their tax rate. they should pay less. that stimulates the economy far more. steve: yeah, but stuart you know that is political suicide. because if it looks like the fat cats are getting a tax break, look what you re doing because that s a page out of the democratic playbook right now. i think it s because of these arcane senate rules which say you cannot cut more than $1.5 trillion over 10 years. if do you that you have got to get 60 vote in the senate for the tax package and you will never get 60 votes. have you got to go with 50 votes. therefore you have to restrict the amount of stimulus. i think that undoes the whole thing in my opinion. brian: we will hear mother of that on your show varney and company starring you stuart varney from 9 to noon. excellent, brian. i couldn t have said it better myself. brian: i will read the tease now. president trump dealing with tragedy at home while in asia talking trade in north korea. we are live in tokyo top of the hour. ainsley: brian is just jealous, stuart. brian: i am. ainsley: he wants his own show. usually tossing to reporters. but today arthel neville is tossing pizza. i hear it s healthy, arthel. steve: the secret is the crust. ainsley: cooking with friends ladies night single satisfied. satisfied. and always working to be better. here s the story of green mountain coffee roasters sumatra reserve. let s go to sumatra. the coffee here is amazing. because the volcanic soil is amazing. so we give farmers like win more plants. to grow more delicious coffee. which helps provide for win s family. all, for a smoother tasting cup of coffee. green mountain coffee roasters. if you have moderate to severe ulcerative colitis or crohn s, and your symptoms have left you with the same view, it may be time 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a monday morning, and she is cooking with friends. brian: all right, here making her cauliflower crust pie. along with jean david. good morning, nice to see you guys. steve: what is this all about. jean is the qui. swapping carbs for cauliflower if you are trying to take bread and carbs out of your diet. it tastes good. few ingredients. just three incents, cauliflower parm subpoena and egg egg. ainsley: a lot of labor. we can buy it online. we also are in retail stores. whole foods all the way to louisiana. not just not on the east coast yet. steve: outer aisle that s the way you are supposed to shop. brian: exactly. the sandwich part there, the little sandwich buns, it s great the other day jean and were out for breakfast. she winshe whips out her purse. instead of eating the toast we ate that. toss the bun. brian: show us how to get pizza back in our diet. steve: making a pesto pizza. it comes like. this comes with the pizza crust. all you do is top it. arthel lost peperoni, i love a basic pesto with spinach and pine nuts. brian: you make this for eric every weekend. i do. as a matter of fact he had three of these yesterday because he was working long hours. steve: he made them for her. joel. i never met joel. joel, meet brian. ainsley: a few years ago you couldn t go in italian restaurant. steve: you know what. swapping out the italian chicken sausage. ainsley: do you know what i love about it? do you like it, steve? tell us. good? steve: you know what? that is good. then again there is a lot of peperoni and cheese on it, too. that s the thing though, even though they you are getting the fun flavors of the cheese and peperoni, the basis of the crust you are getting good stuff. steve: i have had a cauliflower crust before from another store that was not this good. i like that it s thin. full of carbs. i had the one steve had and i didn t like it. i like this one. brian: pizza, chef boyardee. this is so much better. just say no to that. steve: i like this better. last time you made a pizza you made a phone call. 1-800-arthel now. steve: if people are watching right now and would like to go ahead and order your outer aisle crust. how do they do that? they can order it online at www.outer aisle gourmet.com or get it in stores. we are over on the west coast. we are in lots of stores all the way to louisiana, whole food stores. brian: just drive and ask. outer aisle to the come or outer aisle gourmet.com. it s on the screen properly. brian: not only finish each other s sentences you also have the same sitters. do you know why? we want to all girl s catholic high school we are used to dressing in uniform. ainsley: brian doesn t know the difference between a crew neck and turtle neck. he thinks they are the same. thank you, guys. thank you. steve: coming up on this very busy monday, our continuing coverage of the tragic texas shooting with counselor to the president kellyanne conway. also, texas governor greg abbott and dan bongino, you are watching fox & friends. bine brian tight knit texas community searching for answers after a gunman in tactical gear turns sunday church services into a blood bath. through the tears and through the sadness, we stand strong. this is the deadliest church shooting in the united states in almost 20 years. today s tragedy is every pastor s worst nightmare. overnight, a commander-in-chief holding a joint press conference with the country s prime minister before the state dinner. the overarching issue here in this asia trip is north korea. in an era of strategic patience is over. i supported hillary, and i wanted her to win. i was under tremendous precious. it s not that what donna brazile is new but it s insider confirmation of what outsiders have been saying for a long time. basically donna brazile was saying i m not taking it? for those telling me to shut up, they told hillary that a couple months ago. do you know way tell them? go to hell. i m going to tell my story. steve: right to a fox news alert and a different story. a man, a gunman in tactical gear yesterday, turned a sunday morning church service into a blood bath. we re now learning that the shooting that killed 26 parishioners in a small texas town caught on camera inside the church where they werthey roll on the sermon every week. ainsley: video shows the gunman shooting everywhere without a specific target. they also believe former airmen devin kelly, there is his picture died of a self-inplaintiff s exhibit froself-inflicted gunshot wound. brian: authorities want to know the motive behind the shooting as they dig into his troubled past. steve: todd piro is in sland texas with the very latest this morning, todd? thank you, steve, ainsly, and brian, as the hours pass 19 since the massacre. humanity of it all is coming into focus. a cool bus drove by our live location here in what is sure to be a not normal monday morning for students here in this tight knit community. we re also learning a lot more about the victims. some reports say one family, eight people among the 26 killed in this horrific, horrific act. also, we are getting reports that one of the victims in this close knit community of less than 1,000 people is the daughter of the church s pastor, a 14-year-old named anna bell. last night a vigil was held for the victims killed by 26-year-old devin patrick kelley. authorities saying kelley was dressed in black tactical gear wearing a ballistic vest. at a news conference last night news officials say he crossed the street to the church and began firing a ruger a.r. assault type rifle. kelle yrmt entered the church area and randomly fired at worshipers inside and outside. kelley believed to live outside of san antonio was in the air force until 2014. court martialled in 2012 for assaulting his wife and child. he worked as security guard for texas water park this past summer. investigators say kelley did not appear to be connected to any organized terror group. we caught up with the sheriff of this county just moments ago and asked him about any clue as to a motive. right now we don t have a motive. some have said things on social media. but right now we just don t have a motive. authorities say the massacre could have been much worse if not for the bravery of two local men who chased after kelley. he was later found dead in his car. the sheriff telling fox moments ago that it was because of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. steve: thank you todd very much. it s interesting what todd said. he said even though that one family seemed to be singled out and everybody in the family was killed in the pews, they have no evidence having looked at the video that he was targeting any particular people. it seems to be just one of those random, awful things. ainsley: that little girl, the 14-year-old, her dad is the pastor. the dad and mom were out of town at the time. she must have just been there with a family member or with a friend. brian: right. so, meanwhile, this is what happened. this guy could have killed more people. he definitely wanted to survive. he definitely had a get away plan. he didn t count on people tracking him. when the shots rang out, evidently one of the neighbors sprang into action. they hopped in a car with another guy together and chased the suspect. listen to john lagendorff he helped chase down the killer who would later kill himself. i pulled up on the intersection and i saw the shooter coming from the cars, actually right outside of church that were parked. his vehicle was parked, door open, engine running and him and the neighbor across the street were both coming out about the same time, exchanging fire. as he came up, i never got a look at him. i never really saw him. i just i saw the gunfire. the shooter got in his truck. the gentleman with the rifle came to my truck as the shooter took off and he briefly he briefed me quickly on what had just happened and said that we had to get him. and so that s what i did. we just take pursuit. we speed over 87 through traffic, and we like i said, we hit about 95 going down 539 trying to catch this guy. until he eventually lost control on his own and went off in the ditch. he just hurt so many people. and he just affected so many people s lives. why wouldn t you want to take him down? ainsley: that guy right there, johnny and his girlfriend summer were just sitting at that intersection. the neighbor comes out with his rifle and says let s go. i m jumping in your car and we are going to get that guy. that neighbor has not yet come out. we haven t talked to him. we don t know his name yet. is he a hero. steve: that s exactly right. when the cops eventually got there and those two, the hero who has not been identified and the guy in the cowboy hat right there, they stayed with the guy who was apparently dead behind the wheel and when the cops arrived, they didn t know whether or not the good samaritan who had fired at him at the church had killed him because there was gunshot wound or he had killed himself because there were a number of guns in the car. now the police are saying they believe that he died of self-inflicted gunshot wound. brian: keep in mind, too. he had more guns. he was going to inflict more damage. he wanted to get away. he wasn t one of those guys who wants to kill you and kill himself. it looks like he thought i m going to spend my life in prison or kill myself. we re going to find out. we do know is he a veteran. air force dishonorablably discharged in 2012. when you are doing that you are not allowed to carry a gun. he was. meanwhile, also breaking right now, the president denouncing the texas massacre calling it a horrible act of evil on his trip to japan. ainsley: the commander-in-chief sending thoughts and prayers back here back home ahead of tough talks with the prime minister on north korea and on trade. steve: kevin corke joins us now. he is live in tokyo on the latest. kevin? hey, guys. we re going to talk about that texas shooting in just a moment but, first, ever the deal maker. the president talking about north korea. suggesting that the japanese could shoot north korean missiles right out of the sky if they simply purchased a u.s. weaponry needed to do. so suggesting tokyo take a stance at least to this point had this h. elected not to do. it s been that kind of trip for the president already. by the way, though comments seen by some as the sort of rhetoric that s kind of frayed nerves here on the peninsula. but it is part of the president s tragedy to show strength in the face of a regional menace. the united states of america stands in solidarity with the people of japan against the north korean menace. history has proven over and over that strong and free nation also always prevail over tyrants who oppress their people. the president also met with japanese nationals whose family members were kidnapped by the rogue regime. just another example of the devastating disruptive behavior by pyongyang. also, the president, as you pointed out, expressing his condolences on behalf of the white house and the entire american family in the wake of the devastating massacre in texas. but he also waited a bit into the unevident tillable gun control debate which is to follow. i think that mental health is your problem here. this was a very, based on preliminary reports, very deranged individual. a lot of problems over a long period of time. we have a lot of mental health problems in our country as do other countries. but, this isn t a guns situation. not a gun situation. south korea, of course, next up for the president as he continues his tour through asia. of course, we will have the very latest. for now guys, back to you. steve: kevin, south korea on the agenda next. there was some suggestion about a week or so ago that the president might go to the dmz, the area between north and south korea. and after the suggestion was made public, suddenly the white house goes, you know what? we re probably not going to do that. is there still an opportunity, a possibility he might go to the dmz? unlikely. the suggestion was it s a little bit cliche, right? it s been done before. as i think have you accurately pointed out, i think he would have loved to have done that and may still do. so at least right now, the official word is it s not going to happen on this trip, guys. steve: live from tokyo, kevin corke. thank you very much. ainsley: thanks, kevin. hand it over to jackie who has headlines for us. good morning to everyone at home watches you here. a fox news alert. the pentagon releasing the name of the american hero who lost his life in the fight overseas. sergeant first class steven was killed in combat operations in afghanistan. the 33-year-old from california was just weeks into his third deployment. he leaves behind his wife, which was his high school sweetheart and two young children. a 3 and a 5-year-old. also breaking right now, a a manhunt intensifying for extremely dangerous escaped inmate charged in three murders antwon adams. you see him right there. is believed to be hiding near memphis after escaping his northern mississippi jail through a plexiglass window in his cell. listen to this. he stuffed pillows under his blanket to make it look like he was in there sleeping. ironically, that window was supposed to be replaced with a steel plate today. he escaped once before. that was back in august. all eyes turning to virginia and its gubernatorial race. today is the final day of campaigning for republican ed gillespie and democrat ralph northham before tomorrow s election. polls show a tight race between the two. democrats have come under fire after anti-gillespie an ad showing a man in a pickup truck chasing down minority children. back to you guys. brian: whait would be incredible if republicans were able to pull that off. 11 minutes after the hour. gun control after the texas church shooting. ken paxton says more guns can actually prevent mass shootings. he joins us later to explain. steve: he s up next. donna brazile has a message for her critics. those who are telling me to shut up. they told hillary that a couple of months ago. do you know what i tell them? go to hell. i m going to tell my story. why should your teeth be? invisalign clear aligners can shape your smile up to 50% faster. don t let anything slow you down. visit invisalign.com what is this? when we love someone, we want to do right by them. but some things we can t control like snoring. (snoring) introducing theravent anti-snore strips. clinically shown to reduce snoring. theravent. the answer is right under your nose. brian: american nowrng many degrees right now as texas reels from the deadliest church shooting in u.s. history. that s not stopping democrats from pushing gun control among them former president obama tweeting this may god grant us all the wisdom to ask what concrete steps we can take to reduce the violence and weaponry in our midst. next guest argues more guns would actually prevent more massacres from taking place in the first place. here to explain ken paxton. what a series of months and major stories that have come across your desk of late. but this one no one was expecting. what is your reaction to the fact that senator blumenthal and former president obama are weighing in about guns here? well, look, you know, there are laws against murder and this guy violated the laws against murder. adding some other gun law would not, i don t think in any way change this guy s behavior. it s not clear to me that he wasn t already prevented from having a gun, given his history in the military. so, you know, what ultimately may have saved some lives is two people that were outside the church that actually had guns that may have slowed this guy down and actually pursued him. i would rather arm law-abiding citizen and make sure they can prevent this from happening as opposed to trying to pass laws that would prevent law-abiding citizen from having guns. brian: ongoing investigation. you have been briefed to a higher level than the media. tell us what you can. why do you think this gunman is connected to that church, that town? you know, i m not so sure-though is speculation. i m not so sure that he is connected to that church or this town. i think he picked out a place outside of where there might have been local police and where it might have taken first responders a longer time to get there and so, i think that s the reason he chose that spot. now, we don t know for sure yet. obviously, the guy is deceased. but my guess is that s why he chose that location. brian: so when we notice in this case it doesn t seem like anybody on the inside had guns. is that an unsaid texas rule you can carry guns but just don t bring it to church? you know, it s in texas you have to post if you are a church telling people not to carry guns otherwise you could carry a gun. i think we need to look at that we need to have churches, schools, businesses start thinking about their policies because obviously we can t have first responders in every location. they need to think about whether they want private security or whether they want to make sure that some of their own people are armed to prevent this from happening again. brian: so we understand this about the shooter. he was in the air force. kicked out of the air force, dishonorable discharge. one of the reasons given was because domestic abuse not only on his wife but on his kid. what else can you tell us about him? i don t think we know a whole lot more. i think he obviously clearly a very evil man. i think we are going to find out more things about him in the future. but right now it s speculation and it s obviously the fact that he is deceased makes it a little harder to find out what this guy was all about. but i think we are going to find out more from people that knew him what he was really all about. brian: will you see the tape of the massacre which we understand the church was rolling on this? yeah. i certainly hope. so you know, we have federal authorities, state authorities and local authorities. my office comes in if we are asked to come in. we typically are involved in potentially prosecuting if the person wasn t deceased. obviously there would have to be other people involved. we also have a crime cripple fund so that we get involved in compensating victims of crime. brian: do we know if he had any accomplices? can we rule that out? i don t know that we can rule that out at this time. at this point i don t think we think he had any accomplices, but i don t think we re necessarily ruling that out. brian: attorney general ken paxton, thanks so much. thank you have a great day. keep us in your prayers. brian: you got it 19 minutes after the hour. prayers pouring in around the country for those victims in texas. our next guest offering a message of hope using inspiration from the bible. we ll explain. you nervous? nahelps protect eyesin blue from damaging blue light, filtering it out to help you continue enjoying your screens. or. you could just put your phones down and talk to each other. 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november 18th. ainsley: thank you for that i cannot wait to visit. i hear it s wonderful. a few of our reporters have gotten a sneak peek inside. thanks for joining us. congratulations on that and congratulations on the book. jackie, i will start with you. why did you name it this dangerous book. we felt like you said the atheist would say it s a dangerous book. something if you really apply the principles of the bible to your life, you may need to change your life. and for some that s difficult. and we also know that there are many people that have given their lives for the sake of the bible in translating it and transmitting it and each today risk their lives by even owning a bible in some countries. steve: well, given the news of the day and how this gunman walked into the church yesterday down in slunsutherland springs texas and killed 26 people. people turn to the bible for some sort of solace. how can a loving god have allowed something like this to happen? we do live in a time where evil exists. and that s really nothing new. evil has always existed. and this book really talks about, the bible really talks about how that evil exists in the world. and it gives solutions to the evil that exists. we have a loving god that has given us choice. and sometimes we make wrong choices. steve: but sometimes, you know, you hope that as a believer you re almost protected by god. well, scripture gives us great comfort. there system times we can go to the scripture. and when it talks about the evil in this world that we have a loving god that loves us and gives us answers to all the challenges and problems that we have in this world. we just want to direct people and point people to the book. that s what we do in our book. is just encourage people to consider this book for themselves. ainsley: jackie, i know when the producers were talking to you over the weekend about coming on this show today. you gave them a scripture near and dear to your heart. the lord is near to the broken hearted and save the crushed in spirit. why did you pick that verse? i know that there are many broken-hearted people today. nothing that we say today will make them feel better. they are hurting. they are broken hearted. but there is comfort to be found in the scriptures that hopefully will bring them some comfort and peace. in this difficult time. steve: steve, why has your family dedicated their lives to the bible? we grew up with this book as a guide to our life. in our family we would regularly go to church and principles from this book. our business we built on the. steve: your business is hobby lobby. our business is hobby lobby. principles they found in this book. the idea that all men are created equal our founders got from the bible. so we have been blessed in many ways from this book and that s why we want to encourage people to consider it and why we wrote the book. ainsley: a passage from the book that we wanted to read says our story is your story. it s the nation s story. we have found what men, like george washington and john adams discovered the bible is more than an ancient artifact. its voice possesses the power to shape the world for good. what do you mean by that? well, this book, the bible, has impacted our world. life magazine in the year 2,000 came out with a publication the 100 most impactful events of a millennium number 100 on their list guteenberg bible being printed on the press. people don t understand the how it s impacted their life it has impacted our life. it s impacted everybody s life whether they know it or not. it s foundational to this government. it s been an impact that we just think people ought to know it better. steve: well, you ve got a brand new book out. it s called this dangerous book, how the bible has shaped our world and why it still matters today and the bible museum down in our nation s capital. opening soon. steve and jackie green, thank you so much for being with us today. thank you. thank you. ainsley: you are welcome any time. god bless you both. thank you. ainsley: how will the white house react to the tragedy in texas. counselor to the president kellyanne conway is here next. steve: did you hear this? senator rand paul attacked in his yard while he was mowing his lawn and his injury is much worse than we thought. what we just learned about the man accused of attacking him, his next door neighbor. here s the story of green mountain coffee roasters sumatra reserve. let s go to sumatra. the coffee here is amazing. because the volcanic soil is amazing. so we give farmers like win more plants. to grow more delicious coffee. which helps provide for win s family. all, for a smoother tasting cup of coffee. green mountain coffee roasters. i got this.n there? 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not so far. not so far. have you ever seen have you seen any communications that suggest that the trump campaign wanted them to release them through a different means because obviously they were ultimately released by wikileaks? no, i have not. jackie: president trump has denied knowing of any connections between his campaign and the russians. the nypd s former top cop issuing a grim warning days after a deadly terror attack right here in new york city. it is the type of thing that is so easy to do by these islamic radicals that unfortunately we are going to see more of it. this is a reality that we re going to have to live with. jackie: an uzbek man inspired by isis accused of ramming a truck into pedestrians on a bike path on halloween. eight people are dead. dramatic body camera video capturing the exact moment three heroic police officers pull unconscious woman from her burning car. you can see the texas officers drag the woman through an open window after she crashed her car into a telephone pole. thankfully she will be okay, we re told. all three officers will be honored for their actions. and the nfl national anthem protest says the legendary sports broadcaster tuning out. out of overwhelming respect and admiration for anyone who puts on a uniform and goes to war. so, the only thing i can do in my little way is not to preach, i will never watch another nfl game. [cheers and applause] jackie: strong words there vin scully s comes as 8 players protest. seen kneeling, raising their fist or staying in the locker room during the national anthem. and those are your headlines. steve: that s right. all right, jackie. thank you very much. and vin scully. said he was in the navy for a year i didn t go anywhere. i didn t do anything. i respect the flag that s why i can never ever watch the nfl again. brian: for the most part, this is lessening, for some reason seven new orleans saints took a knee over the weekend. one new york giant. i think a couple of philadelphia eagles with their fist in the air. i don t know what they are doing. ainsley: i have heard from some people that they are not watching anymore. they decided to you turn the tv off. they have become saturday pan fans. brian: talked to people all across the country they all have the same answer. steve: this weekend is the weekend close toast veterans day and there is an organized effort to have people boycott going to the game even if you have got tickets. and things like that. anyway, it s 24 minutes before the top of the hour. kellyanne conway has been a little delayed. we hoped to talk to her on the other side of a quick time-out. you are watching fox & friends live from new york city and soon washington. steve: all right. a fox news alert. we re talking about the worst shooting mass shooting in texas state history. kellyanne conway the counselor to the president is joining us from the north lawn. kellyanne, we have heard from texas authorities and so far it sounds like theres is no connection to terror. is that what you understand? that s right. that s the briefing we have had here at the white house as well. no connection, obviously, as you have been reporting and others all morning this is a person who was dishonorablably discharged and had assault charges against him, against his spouse and his child and we just, as everyone has said, there is evil among us and as the president has said, we lock arms and through the tears we come together. ainsley: the president said this guy was deranged. this is about mental health, it s not about gun control. liberals, of course, are making it about gun control. chelsea handler says innocent people go to church on sunday to honor their god. and while doing so get shot and killed. what country? america, why? republicans she says. what s your response? i won t even dignify it i m sorry that we even have to show her twitter comments because it s so beyond any type of reasonable response that anyone should have. why people see politics immediately. it s just like i said in las vegas over a month ago. you had families literally still looking for their loved ones through the rubbles in remains in las vegas running from hospital to hospital. there were people who were were injured who went on to pass await a minute yet, people are taking to twitter in the comfort of their very luxurious lives pointing fingers. as far as can i tell never really help in between the tweet storms. never really helped charities. never helped people to heal. never try to reach across for understanding. so, i m very happy at times like this that president trump is our commander-in-chief and our leader in this nation because, unfortunately, every president has to help heal the nations at different times, different tragedies. but the rush to judgment, particularly by people who are just see politics and trump derangement in every single thing they do it doesn t help the victims and disrespectful to the dead. brian: kellyanne, other things, focus on the president s trip if we could, longest in 25 years by a sitting president over to asia. one thing is he going to could is talk to south korea and going to be talking to china, one theme will be consistent it will be about north korea. is the president concerned at all that south korea and china are getting close and didn t check in with us first before reaffirming those ties between each other after icing each other out because of the installation of thad missile program. brian, look, part of what the president is doing on this historic trip is building on the successes thus far in his administration. it s not like this is the first time he is interfacing with south korea or with china for that matter. he has been developing these relationships over the course of real lit last year since he was elected and certainly since he took up job and residence here. so he is building on that. one of the five major goals of this trip for the president is denuclearizing north korea. and that happens with china and south korea s help. also, he has trade very much on his mind. he wants to have a very pro-commitment to asia, obviously, into the pacific, but he is really building on his successes so far. this president is never far from his domestic agenda priorities either when he is abroad. i would say and i have told him many times a great american of how successful his foreign trips have been to date and there have been many, is that the media basically stopped covering those trips the moment air force one touches down at andrew s. you know it was a success. they don t talk about them again. this is the president very publicly giving addresses, meeting with folks. that s something he is not backing down from inbounds trade deals and from denuclearized north korea. steve: speaking of the trade deals, i understand earlier there in japan, the president was talking a little bit with the prime minister there about a big defense contract. right? those are the reports. and some of that is public. some of those conversations many of those conversations, obviously, are private. but, again, it builds on what s been happening. and it s also just a prelude to what will continue to happen. and this is a president, whether he is here or abroad, constantly talking up the domestic agenda items that got him elected in the first place, which is to be more fair to the american worker and to be more fair to the american job creator. so, when you take together trade deals, you talk about that the tax cuts package he is putting forward. you look at all the regulations that have gone away through his pen and through some legislation, you start to see knitted together an economic agenda strong domestic little and shows the world this is a president who stands first and foremost for the american worker and job maker. ainsley: i know he is going to be sitting down with vladimir putin thursday in vietnam. what can we expect out of that meeting, kellyanne. can you expect guessing and hand ringing by the media. he and president putin sat down three or four times the length that quote, was expected. i don t know who is expecting. they keep expecting things out of trump out of trump that are conventional and truly disappointed. i think they will continue the conversation. obviously president trump has said for a very long time that if there are big issues on which he can work with russia, particularly keeping isis on full on retreat he will do that it s very important to discuss and engage each other. i m very happy that that was able to be audited to the agenda for this 13-day trip. brian: had you your own sunday show to go on but donna brazile chose to go on this week with george stephanopoulos. i wanted to get reaction about her statement in her book that talks about division between democratic party and hillary clinton s camp and how she was treated. listen. for those who are telling me to shut up, they told hillary that a couple months ago. do you know what i tell them? go to hell. i m going to tell my story. i am going to tell my story, george. i say go to hell because why am i supposed to be the only person that is unable to tell my story? brian: there are so many things that she brought up. one of which was that hillary clinton, she was contemplating replacing hillary clinton after her 9/11 wobble. the rick lesson that you reported on. did you guys hear about that? did you hear about her condition and did you hear about a possible last minute swap? we had never heard of that. i don t think it would have mattered because president trump just had the more economically optimistic message and was a natural connector to folks and nothing that biden and booker, the alleged dynamic duo that was going to replace the very uninspiring clinton/kaine ticket. we never heard about that. i want to say for the record once and for all, whenever someone says to me or my colleagues or indeed the president himself, why are you still talking about the election of a year ago, why are you still talking about hillary clinton? because they are talking about it i would be happy to never mention her again. who? we beat her i m the woman who works in this place, she doesn t. but she is on this book tour. have you donna brazile out there trying to clear her name and get the truth out there. i respect donna for doing that donna became the interim dnc chair about the same time i became the trump/pence campaign manager. i worked alongside of her plenty. we also had a respectful relationship. she is a smart woman. she feels like she is warning her democratic party to move on, to not be so smug and self-important and look at these elections as inevitable. i see this virginia race tightening now for much the same reason for governor. but, what donna is saying that is not getting enough coverage number one, that it was president obama who left the democratic party bankrupted through neglect, had pushed all the donors practically to outside group. they had to replenish the coffers. that hillary clinton tried to rig the system and the system for her and lost anyway. that the sanders voters were disenfranchised he ended up with 13 million voters in 22 contests he won. anyway, tells what you a terrible candidate she was. donna brazile did not like the way she was being treated. did not like the way that the down ballot races were neglected. this is a democratic party still at odds with itself. they are fighting with each other. brevity of leadership and ideas. they have lost over 1,000 seats on president obama s watch. i thought her criticism of both hillary clinton and barack obama on top of her criticism of debbie wasserman schultz, she referred to it as, quote, three titanic egos. they are talking about each other in a way that we are not. brian: did you know, she says she approached your camp about a united front with russian meddling, did that ever happen as far as you know get to your level, kellyanne? it did not, but i want to say something that it was president obama who had this information. and as far as i know, he didn t take it to us either. as you see in donna s written work, she is talking about national security advisor rice and she is talking about she is also talking about attorney general holder. and president obama. they all knew about the russian meddling and never told us. why? they thought hillary would win. and i guess maybe they were, perhaps, too embarrassed to admit that russia was trying to meddle at the time on their watch. but we would have liked that information. the fact is the reason nobody has me on tv right now to ask me about george papadopoulos or carter page, i have never met these gentlemen. i don t know them. when i became campaign manager the idea i had to look any further than mostly cloudy or the you were midwest to win this election was foolishness. we had the better communicator. we had the superior message. i don t know what these folks were doing in the primary, but it turned out it s the democrats who still have a russia problem and the president is right, people should take a look at that. steve: well, somebody is speaking out on the democratic side. it s donna brazile. maybe she will tell us more. good for her. steve: kellyanne, thank you for joining us live. thank you. take care. god bless you. steve: god bless you. meanwhile, coming up on this monday, ever wonder what exploding pringles look like? some crazy experiments on the plaza with janice. janice: turn it upside down? and him and us. where did it go? that s nuts. brian: that wasn t a pringle weird science qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq today he is here to show us some fun experiments. joining us now is the founder of spangler science club and host of diy which is steve spangler. nice to see you again, thank you. hold your cups out. ready? you will be in one second. watch this. water for you. ainsley: do we say what s in here? just water. watch this. snap your fingers, turn it upside down, go. turn it upside down. bam, gone. isn t that amazing? how did you do that? wait, wait, watch this. steve: what s in there? take a look at this. when this goes, in brian, there is a secret powder in the bottom. same ingredient in a baby diaper. super absorbent. that s why baby diapers work. i m trying to get kids excited about stem and chemistry. have you ever had this situation? put your safety glasses on. ever had this situation where you are eating pringles, for example, and your hand gets stuck in the jar? steve: all the time. that s a safety hazard if you ask me. here s what i m going to ask you to do. i m going to fill each of the pringles cans with eye degree general gas. it s fine. steve: whereby did you get hydro again gas. nice guy on the street. put your finger in here when i ask you to. finger over the top. all right, ainsley. finger over the top. nice job. good job. stay right there. here s what s going to happen. now take your finger off. okay. take your finger off, good. now watch what s happening. it s burning down right now. hydrogen gas turning down. hydrogen works its way down. oxygen is working its way. in you just don t know when it s going to go. that s the thing. janice: we don t know when it s going to blow? ainsley: do this at home your kids? no you are not going it do at home with your kids. [screams] isn t that beautiful in that is the coolest way. don t touch that watch this. brian: take that lays. hello, there is another one for you. look at pumpkins. now, the pumpkins have been carved but i don t have time to push the stuff out. so here is what you do. hello. you put a little bit of water inside. we re generating some gas. and so now here, watch this. ready? 3, 2, 1. [screams] that s how do you it a little bit of water goes inside. no problem at all. we re just generating they re fine. all right. here we go, 3, 2, 1. nice, that was a good one. and here it is inside. you are just generating a little of that gas inside. and i just wanted you guys to know that if you are trying to get kids excited about science, it s a good way to do it. steve: see all the experiments go to spangler science club.com. are you ready? [screams] bam. that was a good one. 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go to hell. i m going to tell my story. is. brian: and she is. but this is a different story. right to a fox news alert, turned sunday s church services into a bloodbath. we re now learning that the shooting that killed 26 prishers in a small texas town was caught on camera. the church rolling on the sermon. ainsley: as they do every week. this gunman killed of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. after a fearless neighbor chased him away from the church before he could take even more lives. steve: and as investigators search for a motive if there was one, the wilson county sheriff tells fox news he believed the shooter s in-laws attended that church but were not there yet morning at 11:00. brian: so many other so many things that are coming together now. todd is live in southern springs, texas where the sun is now up. exactly, brian, ainsley, and steve. good morning. as the sun comes up, a community wakes up to its new reality. 26 lives lost. another 23 people injured in what is being called the worst shooting at a church in terms of fatalities in more than history. last night, a vigil was held for the victims killed by 26-year-old devon patrick kelly. authorities say kelly was dressed in black tactical gear and was wearing a blastic vest when he arrived at a gas station near the church at around 11:20 yesterday morning. he crossed the street and began firing a assault-type rifle. he randomly fired at worshipers inside and outside. now, according to the military, kelly, who is believed to live outside san ontonio was in the air force until 2014. but he was court-martialed in 2012 for assaulting his wife and child and apparently worked as a security guard for a texas water park this past summer. investigators say kelly did not appear to be connected to any organized terrorist groups. but as for this community of less than 2,000 people, there are reports that eight victims killed were from just one family. another victim, the daughter of the church s pastor, a 14-year-old named annabell. it s a close knit community here, you know? people are going to stick together. people are going to come together. and they re going to try to help each other. authorities say the massacre could have been worse, if not for the bravery of two local men who chased after kelly. the shooter was later found dead. the sheriff telling fox that he died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. the sheriff also told us that despite hours and hours of manpower being devoted to try to figure out a motive, they do not yet have a motive at this point in time. but like brian did say just moments ago, there are reports that the shooter did have some sort of family tie to this church. again, we re going to continue working this story and bring you the very latest as soon as we know it here on the fo fox news channel. back to you in the studio in new york. steve: all right. todd, thank you very much. ainsley: just tragic. that 14-year-old girl shot dead. her parents weren t there at the time. her dad s a pastor. another lady that was pregnant with a child. a 5-year-old child was killed. steve: eight members of one family. let s bring in dan, former new york city police department officer, former secret service agent and host of the dan show. todd just mentioned, it could have been a lot worse, had a neighbor not heard the gunfire and rushed toward the scene with a rifle. he engaged the guy, apparently shots were exchanged, and then the guy took off in a car, and he got in a pickup truck with somebody else, a total stranger that gave chase. what do you think? well, you know, steve, post columbine, the world has changed dramatically. these homicidal maniacs and terrorists out there, they don t want to negotiate. listen, i can t say this in strong enough term. they are there for one thing and one thing only. body counts and carnage. you are not going to stop them with flowery language or negotiation. that is not what they re interested in. the only thing that is going to stop these maniacs is a good guy with a gun. listen, that s tough to say because it s not an easy thing to say, but it is true, and people deserve the truth. that is the only thing that is going to stop people to absolutely committed to body counts and carnage like this. ainsley: these churches are probably such soft targets. probably the softest you could get. the president said he s considering of ramping up security as churches become these soft targets. we interviewed pastor earlier, and he says he allows people to carry inside a church. and if a man decided to do this, they wouldn t get off many shots because other people in the sanctuary would stand up with their gun. what do you think of that? ainsley: ainsley, church this is what i did for over a decade in my life in secret service. we walked in everywhere from airports to churches and said what s wrong with the security here. now, listen, i m going to tell you something you don t want to hear either. you are in a uniquely vulnerable institution. why? you have a choke point. where does everybody come into church? in the back. nobody comes in behind the pulpit. so what does that mean? that s where everybody leaves too. it makes for easy targeting. number two, there s almost no cover or concealment in a church. why are there no walls in a church? because you have to see the priest or the rabbi or whatever. so there s no way for you to hide. third, when you re in a church, where is everybody s attention? up front. where do these killers come in? in the back. so i m begging you. i m imploring you if you are a pastor or someone who runs a church, synagogue, or whatever, it is your responsibility to take these into effect and to harden up your institutions. it s sad to say that, but it s true. brian: well, here s the thing. everybody volunteers in a church. that s how the church subsists. i don t care what religion you are. can we have a volunteer security guard? go to church until 9:00. i need you from 9:00 to 11:00. especially people trained you like. but listen to what some of the democrats are saying. prayers are important but insufficient after another speakable tragedy. congress must act and be complicit. so, again, immediately they re talking about guns and republicans as if they re at fault. no. no. no. no. i am not giving up and nor is anyone else my right to defend my daughter, my wife, and myself because some democrat wants a donation from michael bloomberg. no. you didn t get what part of this do you not get? you guys did not give us these rights. these are god-given rights. good patriotic men and women have to stay alive. you know what, brian? not me. it s not happening to me. i am a patriotic, law-abiding, god-fearing american. i have the right to survive an attack by a homicidal maniac. i am not surrendering my firearm and my ability to defend my wife and kids because you want a michael bloomberg donation. that is your problem. that is not mine. the society is full of wolfs. we all know that. do not be a sheep and do not fall pre-to these sick partisan talking points. you deserve the right to defend yourself. i m tired of this garbage and so does every law-abiding american as well. steve: and what stopped it? the good guy with the gun. according to the daily mail, they talked to some of the classmates from high school. they said he was crazy, weird and outcast. talked about his atheism online and talked about how people who believed in god were stupid. it does look like there could be a mental health component to this. yeah, when the secret service did a rather soft study of targeted violence, assassins and school violence, this seems to fit. where people in the past were could you sayers and indicators. but the vegas shooting, it doesn t make any sense at all. no one seems to know anything. he seemed like a rather normal guy. so this seems to fit that model of targeted violence, and it goes back to that if you think something s creepy, it may be. so say something. what s the worst that could happen? steve: breaking news. apparently governor abbott was denied the right to own a gun. you cannot own a weapon if he was dishonorably discharged. you can t even constructively own a weapon, meaning you can t even have a weapon in the house to have access to. and, by the way, murder is still illegally. ainsley: what we see time and time again is in the school shooting so all of these little kids in connecticut, had his mom s guns or parents guns. when a bad guy wants to get his hands on a gun, he will be able to do it. elfed a way. but the people who are innocent, the ones who need to protect their families, if you have gun rights and get their guns taken away, how in the world are they supposed to defend themself? ainsley, supply-side measures for guns have failed. almost everywhere they ve been tried. you can cherry-pick an example here or there, but you re going to do nothing to stop the supply of hundreds of millions of firearms that already exist. the only question the only question that should be in every american s mind is what are you going to do to defend yourself? you will do nothing to keep firearms out of the hands of people who are going to use them for deadly reasons. how are you going to defend yourself is the only question. brian: dan, thanks so much. ainsley: thank you, dan. thanks, guys. steve: all right. speaking of governor abbott, he s going to be joining us live with the very latest on the response to the tragedy in texas. worst shooting there, mass shooting ever. he s coming up. brian: plus, our next guest is curious if bo bergdahl is a free man while the wounded soldiers looking for him serving life sentences of internal pain. lieutenant colonel ralph peters next oh my gosh! how are you? well watch this. i pop that in there. press brew. that s it. so rich. i love it. that s why you should be a keurig man! full-bodied. are you sure you re describing the coffee and not me? steve: american soldiers died reportedly looking for him and five terrorists were traded to get him back. but a judge ruling disgraced army sergeant bo bergdahl won t see one more day in jail. our next guest is outraged pointing out bergdahl goes free freeh while the heroes wounded looking for him served life sentences of pain and incapacity. joining us right now is fox news strategic analyst lieutenant colonel ralph peters. ralph, give us your reaction. well, my initial reaction, and that of all vets that have served honorably, all retirees, all soldiers serving now with outrage. how can this be? bergdahl, go to the enemy get the same sentence that he would get for shoplifting at the px. so there s outrage. at this point now, honestly, it s sorrow. my reaction is sorrow because this is so much bigger than one jerk like bergdahl. judge nance, set a precedent that will affect our military, our armed services for decades to come. the message he sent with this life sentence dishonorable discharge light fine makes dissertation a minor offense. desertion look, in our military, the worse of all the cardinal sin would be turning your weapon on your own. but the second is deserting your post, and that s what bergdahl did. people on the ground believe that soldiers died looking for him. the pentagon only admits to wounds. but there are people who have carried the pain all their life, and bergdahl walks free and everybody s outraged. you re absolutely right. those injured have life sentences of pain. as you point out. but here s the thing. bergdahl s attorney now in addition to the fact that his client is walking free, he wants bo bergdahl to wind up with a medal as being a prisoner of war. well, if you buy bergdahl s preposterous story that he just wanted to walk over many miles just stroll through enemy country, enemy territory to the next post so he could report the terrible conditions at his firebase. well, if you buy that, you still can t get to a pow because he voluntarily left his post. so he certainly doesn t deserve a medal. but the left is going to push them at this as far as they can because the far left that hates our military sees this as a great victory, as a vindication for obama s rose garden ceremony, for susan rice declaring that bergdahl served honorably. and, again, bergdahl himself, what he did was fundamentally wrong. we used to shoot people for what he did. but at this point, it s really about the future of the institution. political correctness has punished our military. has hurt combat readiness. and now you have this where future, potential deserters can slap the bergdahl precedent. steve: what do you mean, ralph, that pc? explain that. well, political correctness, obviously, you have various social issues. the attempts by the left under obama. and even before that. to use our military as an experiment, an experimental platform for social change. the only measure of how our military should be organized is combat effectiveness. our military does not exist primarily to serve somebody s social values. our military exists to kill our enemies and win our wars. and so what i ve seen i mean, even stuff like destroying the beautiful folk poetry, which are so our obscene, we couldn t sing them on tv, but they were great at getting young guys to feel real macho. everything from that to the obama era restrictures on our military. and what you re doing is crippling our ability not only to fight, but our ability to protect ourselves when in combat. so this has been absolutely disastrous, and we need to get back to the focus that our military is here to kill our enemies. not to make people feel good. steve: all right. but this decision, the bergdahl decision did real does and will do real damage. steve: an outraged lieutenant colonel ralph peters. sir, thank you very much. thank you. steve: all right. so what do you think? right now, we ve got a fox news alert. an entire nation in mourning as texas heals from the worst shooting in church american history. governor gregg abbott will be governor gregg abbott will be asking how did in two minutes hough geico has b- ohhh. ooh ohh here we go, here we go. you got cut off there, what were you saying? oooo. oh no no. maybe that geico has been proudly serving the military for over 75 years? is that what you wanted to say? mhmmm. i have to say, you seemed a lot chattier on tv. geico. proudly serving the military for over 75 years. you ok back there, buddy? his family. his steinway, which met a burst pipe. so grant met his insurance: you are caller number 12. which didn t quite cover the steinway. but what if he d met pure insurance? owned by members. he d have met: lisa, your member advocate. who d introduce him to gustav, a temporary address, and help him get tickets to the mozart festival. excuse me, grant likes beethoven! uh, the beethoven festival. pure. love your insurance. 24 after the hour, back with some quick headlines for you. starting with a fox news alert, the pentagon releasing the name of the american hero who lost his fight overseas. sergeant first class was killed during combat operations in afghanistan. the 33-year-old from california was just weeks into his third deployment. he leaves behind his wife, his high school sweetheart, and two young children. just 3 and 5 years old. and senator rand paul s injuries were worse than we thought after he was attacked by a neighbor outside his kentucky home. he suffered five broken ribs. it s unclear when he will return to washington. attacked from behind while mowing his lawn. the fbi believes the attack was politically motivated. four months after senator paul was playing with his colleagues. steve: all right. a fox news alert we just threatened gunman in the texas church shooting was apparently denied a right to carry. that go new brunswick coming from governor gregg abbott. brian: who joins us now from austin. governor, how did you find out at that out? and what were the reasons he was rejected? right. well, we found it out from texas law enforcement, and he was rejected either because he didn t fully answer all the questions that are required to get a texas gun permit, or he answered those questions wrong. that, we still don t know. but, obviously, the key thing here, i ve got to tell you, is the victims and the victims families that we ve got to continue to focus on. it was just ten hours ago that i left southern land springs where i got to personally visit with the victims families, and i ve got to tell you, it was the heaviest moment i ve had to dealt with as governor in the state of texas speaking to those families and trying to summon what was needed to be said, to try to warm their hearts and connect with them. but also, i ve got to tell you, to see their reliance and their solve and their determination to continue to connect with god and their unwavering faith. steve: and so you were at this vigil last night there in the town. and i m sure, governor, the people who were there, the victims families must have said you know, you would think that a church would be the last place that you would have to worry about something like this. well, and they did say that. for one, they said that this town would be the last place you would think it would happen because the town, as you know, is very small. it just has several hundred citizens. and then they said, of course, a church should be the last place something like this would happen. i think that you will see information surface over the coming days that there is actually a connection between the shooter and this church. i don t think the church was just randomly attacked. i think there was a reason why the shooter chose this church at this particular moment in time. ainsley: yeah, we wanted to ask you about that. we had heard reports that the in-laws there went, the ex-wife s in-laws went there. yeah. i m going to leave it at that. listen, we need to leave it to law enforcement to look at this, unabated in their efforts, and i don t want to say anything that can tramp he will upon their ability to get all the facts they need. brian: right. so having said that, you don t want to tramp he will on their ability, but they do want answers as good as anybody, and to do that, we want to know the connection. do you believe that the gunman knew that most likely that no one had guns in there? was there a note, like, leave your guns on the outside? as far as i m aware, there was no note or notation like that. it did appear that the gunman, for one, you could tell by the way he was armed and geared, he was prepared to be able to take on fire. obviously, he was perhaps surprised and shocked when a neighbor came out and did shoot him and connected with him. brian: so he was struck? so the assailant was hit? the assailant was hit by that neighbor. we do have at least, i was told that by texas law enforcement. before he got into the car and ran away, it could have been the fact that he was hit by the neighbors gunshot that caused him to drop his weapon. and here s what we don t know. and that is we know it was only moments later died. we don t know if his death was because of the neighbor s gunshot or a self-inflicted wound. ainsley: governor, you know, we ve been reporting this shouldn t happen in a church. but i was downstairs talking with some people that work here that we all talk about our faith, and we share the same beliefs. we were saying there s no other place we would want to go, other than church, because i m there asking for forgiveness, i feel very close to christ when i m there. so i m trying to look tamce positives here, and i know that those people are with the lord now and experiencing eternity. and no more suffering. no more sadness anymore. but on that note, did you talk to any of the people that were there when you were at the vigil? any personal stories that you wanttory to share with us from what happened inside the church? well, first, before the vigil, i went to a community center and in the community center where the families of the victims, and i had the opportunity to speak with them directly and try to assemble language that would touch their hearts. and i have to tell you, i left from there before going to the vigil very inspired by these vigils who are going through this because it was clear from my conversation of hugging them and holding them and hearing their whispers into my ears that their faith in god was unwavering. what they relied upon in that moment in time and during the course of the vigil later on was both their faith but also the necessity for us to come together under one god, to purge evil, and to rely upon the love that god provides. ainsley: thank you, governor. steve: yeah, indeed. we know that you have your hands full. governor gregg abbott, thank you very much. ainsley: glad you were there. thank you. thank you. ainsley: all right. how do we turn to faith when a massacre happens at a place of worship? we re going to ask jonathan father next. brian: and donna brazil and the 2016 primaries, he wasn t paying attention. i didn t follow it. i don t i would like to see what donna brazil has to say. i didn t read the book. i don t know the details, so i m not going to make a i m not going to make a judgment on thatomes in the mai, you pull out the tube and you spit in it, which is something southern girls are taught you re not supposed to do. you seal it and send it back and then you wait for your results. it s that simple. i pulled up on the intersection, and i saw the shooter coming from the cars, actually, right outside of church where parked. his vehicle was parked, door open, engine running, and him and the neighbor across the street were both coming out about the same time exchanging fire, and as he came up, he i never got a look at him. i never really saw him, i just i saw the gunfire. the shooter got in his truck, the gentleman in the rifle with the rifle came to my truck as the shooter took off, and he briefly he briefed me quickly quill on what had just happen and said what we had to get him, and so that s what i did. we just took pursuit. we speed over 87 through traffic, and we like i said, we hit about 95 going down 539 trying to catch this guy until he eventually lost control on his own and went off in a ditch. he just hurt so many people, and he just affected so many people s lives. why wouldn t you want to take him down? brian: and, by the way, he according to the governor, he was hit. he was hit before he got into that car and lost control. ainsley: that guy, he in the cowboy hat were just inside the church and that s when they said they saw the shooter through the cars and then that neighbor comes up to his car and said i ve got to jump in. i ve got to go after that guy. he was just firing a bunch of shots in that car. that s how it all ended. steve: 95 miles per hour until he crashed. let s bring in fox news religious correspondent. he is in las vegas today. father jonathan, we start with a story of a good samaritan. first a guy who heard it, grabbed his rifle, went out, engaged the shooter, apparently hit the shooter at one point, and then another good samaritan where he says, hey, come on, we ve got to chase that guy, and he did. and he may have saved a lot of lives. you mention i am in las vegas, and i ll be speaking to a group tomorrow. many of whom i m sure affected by this tragedy in las vegas by the shooter. and maybe people will say, hey, we ve got to get out of this place, get out of the big cities, look what happened in new york city not too long ago. but here s a tiny little town who could have been where could you be safer than this little town and yet evil exists. and i think the real message that we can all take from this is even though evil does exist in the human heart, and it can be anywhere, exist in the human heart anywhere. but grace abounds even more. and i think that what the governor mentioned earlier today is that the people there in this little town are really experiencing the grace and the presence of god because he s stronger than death itself. steve: the interesting thing when you think about it, father, the church is filled with people who were praying to god to protect them and give them a long life. and, you know, all the things people pray for in a church. and yet it was there that it happened. you know, it questions your faith. you know, it really does because it s, like it can happen there steve: where is god? well, you know, if there is no heaven, if heaven does not exist. in other words, if there s no promise for life eternal, then i have no explanation whatsoever. because, yes, grace abounds, and there s great gifts. but if your 14 child has died like this pastor s child has been killed, then where s god? we have great trust in faith that there is heaven and that s the ultimate. and if it doesn t exist, i m nuts, and we re all nuts to have faith in a god who can protect us. and if he can, he has a promise for us, and that s the ultimate protection is heaven itself isn t that, yeah, it s happening in bike lans, happening at concerts, happening in churches. i mean, you can t go to all the things that we enjoy without worrying about this. what s your message to those folks that may be don t believe or are going through a really tough time right now and can t wrap their heads around this? well, you know, i certainly wouldn t offer any theological explanation to somebody who just on their son or their wife, their spouse killed. i would hug them. and i would weep with them. you know, there s one thing that people who suffered tragically like this always say a few days out i would have never made it through those first days if it not for the support of my loved ones. and not even the nearest ones. but writing letters and calling in. you know, there s one last thing i would like to mention, ainsley. there s a lot of debate right now for gun control and things like that. it s not the time, i think. but one thing we can do, we know this shooter was denied a gun; right? so it wasn t about laws in this case. but we can be close to the people who we know are suffering around us. maybe mental health. maybe tragedy in their own lives. maybe broken relationships. we can t always stop somebody from doing something crazy like this. but maybe sometimes we can. and i think that is the biggest defense right now. being close to the people who are near brokenness. it s not easy. we have to do it as a church, do it as a community, as a nation, but perhaps that is our greatest weapon, so to speak, against people who have used real weapons to such evil, evil things. steve: a lot of people have a lot of questions. father jonathan, thank you very much for joining us today from las vegas. my pleasure. god bless you. brian: you have the other news breaking around the country. yes. yes. a heavy morning. thank you, guys. after months investigating alleged collusion between the trump campaign. senator dianne feinstein admitting the probe has a dead end. have you seen any evidence that this dirt, these e-mails were ever given to the trump campaign? not so far. not so far. have you seen any communications that suggested that the trump campaign wanted them to release them through a different means? because, obviously, they were also released by wikileaks. no. i have not. president trump denied any knowing of connections between his campaign and the russians. and in her new book, former dnc committee chair donna brazil says the primary was rigged in favor of hillary clinton. but senate majority leader chuck schumer claims he wasn t paying attention. i didn t follow it. i don t i would like to see what donna brazil has to say. i will read it. i haven t read her book. i don t know the details, so i m not going to make a judgment on that. brazil claims clinton s campaign took control of dnc nearly a year before she accepted the nomination. earlier counselor to the president kellyanne conway weighed in about the tell all book. she feels like she s warning her democratic party to move on to not be so smug and self important and look at these elections as inevitable. brazil has told critics of the new book to quote go to hell. and dramatic body camera video capturing the moment three heroic police officers pull an unconscious woman from her burning car. you can see the texas officers dragged the woman through an open window after she crashed her car into a telephone pole. thankfully, she ll be okay we re told. all three officers will be honored for their actions. and those are your headlines. back to you guys. steve: unbelievable video. just another day in the life of america s police. thank you, jackie. ainsley: thank you, jackie. the church massacre coming eight years to the day of the terror attack at fort hood that left 18 people dead. steve: will our next guest that remembers day. he was shot seven it times, and he has a powerful message for america. you re going to want to hear. he s next can you fit in there? 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i m doing pretty good. i just have a heavy heart this morning. ainsley: yeah, i know. what s going through your mind? because you ve experienced something similar. well, you know, my heart goes out to the families of the wounded and the deceased from the shooting yesterday in texas. and it really bothers me that now we went through the thing eight years ago where military bases were one of the safest places you could be. and then the second safest place you could be is a house of worship. and now we re looking at even a house of worship as targets. so what are we going to do about protecting law-abiding americans and god-fearing americans when they re in a house of worship. ainsley: what s your recommendation? what do we do? well, one, i think one that the deacons of the church should be flued protective mode to protect those. and outside of just members of the church, that we need to screen people when they come in, even have a law enforcement presence outside of a church. but it also boils down to where we need to have an attentive ear to americans that have problems and issues. we re all life coaches. everybody has problems that they did with day-to-day activities. but now it s time for us to circle the wagons and gather as a family, as a strong nation that we are so that we can help drift some eternal issues from within. ainsley: yeah, mental health has become a big issue nowadays and the president was talking about how mental health is the issue, not guns. this guy was deranged. we all know someone who has mental issues or is dealing with something or ptsd. how do you know when there s a point when they re going to do this in your experience with a peer counselor? well, some of the tall tell signs is that if a person decides to give away all their possessions. also, when you talk to a person, they reflect back on good times and left to the standpoint where they re acting as if they re in their ladder days. then also the nonverbal cues when you re talking to a person is the dialation of pupils, the rate of breathing, and when a time when it s not hot or cold. or avoid direct eye contact and just jittery, sudden movements. ainsley: yeah, this guy, his reputation. i mean, so many people said was crazy. so if you see something, say something. sergeant, thank you so much for being with us. i think we lost his speed feed. but we wish him all the best. god bless. more fox and friends in just a moment. but first, let s check in with sandra smith to find out what s coming up at the top of the hour. good morning, ainsley. president trump calling this an act of pure evil. we are learning more about the man suspected of gunning down those 26 people attending that small-town church in texas. why did he do it? 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you never do it at your home. do it at a friend s home. now, this is not the stuff with glue. so when we re trying to get kids to play with slime, we re talking about a chemical changer reaction. watch how quickly it happens. look at this. so here s the goo. it s actually polyvinyl alcohol, and this is borax. brian: is it from kazakhstan? ainsley: where do you buy all of this? the store s fine. so we re doing slime that way. but look at this. we wanted to be full proof so that every time i mean, look at that. that s fast when you make it. isn t that crazy? steve: oh, yeah. and you don t need it, though; right? no. you don t need it. but we re talking about stem, science, technology, engineering, and math, we re talking about those tools. you guys ready? ready for what? you have insurance; right? insurance? you re fine. how about a fireman. does that count? you re going to love this. i have this beach ball, ainsley. so now i m filling it with methane. it took me a long time to collect it, but there it is there. so here s our methane. so now we re going to do methane bubbles. i have a lot of hair spray in my hair. you re going to be fine i think. i ve never done this before, but i saw it on the intent. see what happens here? 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you re going to get a call. sean: oh, well. laura: hannity, thanks so much. sean: have a great show. laura: good evening from washington. this is the ingraham angle. what a line-up tonight, including a squirming james comey on the fox news hot seat. you can see the disparity here how the people look at the clinton case handled and how the trump case is handled. i don t see the disparity. laura: no, they re all handled the same. jim jordan will join to us dissect where bret baier tripped comey up. meanwhile, the president tells fox that comey is guilty of crime. we learn new and potentially damaging details about his infamous memos. frank luntz and he exams the pros and cons of the president acting as his own press secretary. and the americans aiding and abetting of illegal immigrants looking to exploit our laws. and nigel is here in the middle of the night in britain. he s getting up for us to examine this nightmare scenario. the sacrifice of a small child on the alter of socialized medicine. first, the new counter culture, the focus of tonight s angle. entertainment elites are in freak-out mode. why? one of their megastars, kanye west, announced that he s thinking for himself. felt like a cultural earthquake over the weekend when west tweeted that he liked the way a conservative black activist thought. he followed it up with pro trump tweets that has the internet exploding. he declared his love for trump and ex-stoled the dragon energy they share. what is that? he refused to let the mob shake his love for the president. now look, this isn t about celebrating one superstar s endorsement of donald trump. what i m going to be talking about is shining a light on the more intollerant crowd out there. you know, the people that claim that they have a monopoly on tolerance and inclusion? think about this. other than academia, there s few industries that america, the american left dominates like it does entertainment. for kanye s sin of speaking his mind, musical icons like nicki minaj and drake and rihanna unfollowed him on social media. what a punishment. the reaction from the left was just as pronounced. different celebrities desperate for attention. now his wife is tweeting back at people saying don t be too hard on my husband. don t make it seem like he s going through a mental break down, which we know he s had. i don t know what happened here. i think kanye west just realized he s too rich to not be republican. i don t know what it is. we have the right to independent thoughts and i independently think that kanye has lost his mind. is stephen still? character? i forget. original thought will not be tolerated. anyone that breaks from the borg mindset must be shunned or bullied back into the fold. kanye shared a text exchange with john legend. love his music. but this illustrates the points. john legend said you re way too powerful to endorse what he is and what he stands for. so many people that love you feel betrayed right now because they know the harm that trump s policies cause. especially for people of color. don t let this be part of your legacy. kanye west wasn t impressed. he said i love you, john, but bringing up my fans and my legacy is a tactic based on fear used to manipulate my free thought. he s right. i can t believe i m saying that on my show, kanye west is right. he s right about this. anyone that dares to question the idealogical orthodoxsy of the left, particularly a black artist, must be brought back into line. now, let s talk turkey here. where kanye west is punking the elites or whether he s sincerely expressing a belief and the president is immaterial. he s opened the door of the glaring hypocrisy of the left. they claim to defend minority rights until a minority disagrees with them. they claim to be for diversity until a truly diverse viewpoint is heard. what west might have unwittingly done is made it a little easier for others to stand up against this herd mentality. he did receive some support for his independence. chance, the rapper, hardly a conservative voice, tweeted this. black people don t have to be democrats. can t believe it. so scandalous. i don t think that kanye west is the new mlk. all right? i have vivid memories of him at some televised fund raiser in the wake of hurricane. george bush doesn t care about black people. that wasn t nice. i can remember when he rudely rushed the stage to try to take a music award from taylor swift. that also wasn t night. 15 years ago, yes, i can hardly believe it, i wrote a book called shut up and sing was a critique of the political activism of these people like the dixie chicks and jackson brown and on and on. the upshot is, we pay them to entertain. we don t want to be captive to their political pondering. someone who for some un-godly reason does get paid to pontificate on politics, her name is miss anna navarro tweeted at me. has she told kanye to shut up and sing yet or does that only apply to anti-trump black celebrities? i ll make it clear to you, anna, it applies to anyone pedalling political nonsense while lacking the credentials or experience to do so, ana. i m not about to cheer on kanye west because he said something nice about trump. the political musings of uninfirmed celebrities is not interesting to me at all. what is interesting, the overthe top reaction to a big star saying something truly counter cultural today. that s of great interest to me. washing the left attack him for daring to break ranks with them. even in the vaguest of terms talking about love and loving people that is truly revealing. what kanye west says or does in the days ahead is less important than the conversation he started. and who would have thought that a bad boy like kim kardshian s husband could be the catalyst for an honest discussion about the cooers conformity of thought that the celebrity culture has imposed on all of us? that s the angle. for some answers, we re joint by niger innis and democratic strategist joel payne. all right, joel, have at it. you heard my point of view on this. kanye has gotten hit from i m not a big fan of kanye west, but he s getting hit by everybody out there. laura, this isn t really news to me, right? you have one rich famous millionaire supporting another rich famous millionaire. neither of them understand the problems that regular americans face. it s not surprising to me that kanye west would be down with donald trump. i don t think that should be a shock to anybody. what you? what do you think? oh, what i think is amazing is that you are talking about rich millionaires. you guys with the democrat left wing group have many more millionaire hypocrites that have been blessed by being in this capitalist country where you have free will to make money and somehow promote this socialism that actually makes people look like you and me like i don t blame kanye for being a brave celebrity within hollywooder with he pay as penalty for that. not just him. steve harvey had a penalty for visiting trump. martin luther king s son blamed for visiting the president. both within six months regretted that. because of the vicious laura: okay. let s talk about because of the intellectual tyranny of you guys. laura: let s talk about what donald trump has done for african americans in a moment. kanye west tweeted out obama was in office for eight years and nothing in chicago changed. kind of a substantive point. what has changed under donald trump? black homeownership under obama was 46.1% in 2009. in 2017, it s 42.7 opinion. gone up. household income for blacks. median household income for blacks under obama, 37,809. and then it went up to $37,211. yeah. ended up going down in 2011. so barack obama didn t exactly deliver the big results. these are these are all barack obama s numbers. you know this. this is barack obama s economy still. i know the address of chicago. just laura: the media the point i know people you can laura: guys, the point of that particular graphic is median household income. that s how much money you bring home. that s really important. it wasn t just it was in part under bush, too. barack obama did the hard work that trump is reaping the benefits. laura: food stamp up participation went up 4%. and ben carson announced laura: we re making a substancive point and look, i want to be fair here because i want joel to get his point out. but i think to say just refle reflecti reflectively, donald trump is bad for black people. the economy is soaring. when you say about the millionaires, i get what you re saying. he s out of touch. but he wasn t out of touch with the working class people. that s why they rejected the globalist republicans and it s odd, that went with this millionaire and said you re given a raw deal. he went after republicans and democrats and he got those people to vote for him. i don t think that s a fair criticism of trump. those working class people, that was gold for trump. they really came out for him. the reason that trump did so well in michigan and pennsylvania came within a couple points of winning minnesota is because of the grass roots but he got 9% i guess of african americans. that s a little more than romney. but republicans need to do better. he got 13% of the black male vote. i fear i feel sorry for my brother, joel, because he s afraid. we break into this monopoly that democrats have had for 40 years. joel, let me tell you something. it s not just god bless kanye west. i am a fan. okay? i love what he s doing. it s not just happening on the airwaves. today i just came from a conference called impact standing for multicultural impact conference. 500,000 conservatives supporting donald trump and the republican party. there s something there s a cultural revolution laura: i didn t know about this. to your point they re coming, brother. you re right. black women continue to be at the tip of the that s good. that s good. am i right about that? are you disagreeing? god for bid. i wouldn t disagree with you. [laughter] laura laura: i m all for the women. i m all for the african american women. we re going to get more here. diamond is doing something about it. laura: this is what donald trump said on fox and friends and kanye. kanye looks and sees black under employment the lowest it s been in the history of our country. he sees that and he s smart. he says trump is doing a better job than the democrats did. laura: he s i think that s what kanye believes. seriously, how has life for african americans over the last 14 months not how is it deteriorated under donald trump? i appreciate donald trump not breaking the glass on the way in for the last 14 months that barack obama built. barack obama built a strong house and a strong foundation that donald trump is reaping the benefits of. so i appreciate that in 14 months he s not broken it. there s plenty of time to break it. let me tell you one bit of glass that donald trump was trying to break before the establishment in chicago prevented him. the crime wave, the war zone, the killing field of black and brown people in chicago. barack obama s hometown where he did nothing for eight years. the fact is, in one year 2016, there were more blacks killed in chicago than iraq and afghanistan combined. barack obama is the reason why there s violence in chicago. how many guns where are are you saying that are you saying that barack obama who started off being a community organizer, started off being a community organizer still keeps in touch with people with cool celebrities like jay z that it s barack obama s fault in chicago rahm emanuel and he continue do anything about the crime laura: it s being governed by democrats. this jason johnson said that the president is out of touch. can we play it, guys? i know we re running late. i want to get these guys to react. when the president starts bragging about all the things he s done for black folks, kanye doesn t represent black people. this man has been lost for years. the fact that the president is out of touch that he thinks talking about a lost rapper that married into a reality tv family is reflective of how black people think shows this president that he has no idea what it takes to make america great. wow. i know who my lord of blackness is. laura: he s not an authentic black because he married into the kardshian family. what is he getting at? i think that kanye brought more to that relationship than the kardshians. it was a mutually re-assuring relationship. what jason was saying is what i said. this is one wealthy millionaire supporting another. a wealthy millionaire who made his life easier and lives of 97 rihanna is a millionaire. you cannot say jay z and the entire entertainment they have perspective and understand the agenda does not support laura: i think donald trump wants more people to be millionaires. he s not like mitt romney that is apologizing for being rich. what he is trying to do is he s trying to bring more wealth and opportunity back to this country by redoing these trade deals, by bringing manufacturing back, by encouraging people an entrepreneurs by kicking out immigrants and breaking up families. laura: but actually, i will say welcoming immigrants legally. laura: if you think the way to help the african american community is to flood places like chicago with thousands and thousands of indigent laborers, i guess we re on as long as they re not and they re there illegally. laura: it doesn t help african americans get job. not that they re from bleep hole countries. i don t care what country you re here. if you re taking jobs from working class americans, it s not helping this is the ultimate whose side you re on. donald trump and kanye versus the rest of us. the 97% of us that live in the real world. i think the wonderful sisters are going to follow laura: i think kanye has opened people can come out of the closet as conservatives. they re always in the closet. maybe a few more will come out. revolution. joel is nervous. laura: we re bringing joel. joel is too cool not to be with us. i love joel. okay. great segment. jim comey made a number of eyebrow raising i can t do it. raising aer is assertions about the dossier. steele was hired to look into the dossier and first funded by republicans and picked up the important thing picked up by democrats opposed to donald trump. laura: well, wrong. we re going to set the record straight next with top experts on the subject including jim jordan and byron york. stay there. do you think there s any credence to the president s claim that you broke the laws releasing the memos? no. i think he s making stuff up. laura: the up returned fire on fox and friends. comey is a leaker and a liar. he leaked classified information to get a special counsel. he s guilty of crimes. if we had a justice department doing their job laura: and in his fox news interview with bret baier, comey responded to trump s accusations. he s just wrong. facts really do matter. that s why i m on the show. the memo is unclassified. it s in my back. the fbi cleared that book before it could be published. it s a false statement. laura: let s separate fact from fiction with our panel. jim jordan and byron york, richard goodstein, a former adviser to president clinton. i want to play part of this interview tonight where brett asked about the clinton investigation and the comparison. let s watch. you can see the disparity where people look at the clinton case and how the trump case is handled. i don t see disparity though. there is a disparity. the american people see it. the president is not wrong. he s not making things up. he s not making up the fact that they called sheryl mills laura: sheryl mills was clinton s lawyer and her chief of staff and the subject of the investigation when the clinton investigation started. compare that to the idea that the president s personal lawyer gets his door kicked in and the attorney general of the united states i don t even think was consulted. it was run outside of the umbrella of the russian investigation, the mueller special counsel investigation. you don t take to the highest officers in the land when you kick in the president s lawyer s door? of course the president should be unset and more importantly, the american people are upset. byron, there was a moment that they discussed who funded the dossier. you ve been writing about this. let s watch. when did you learn that the dnc and hillary clinton campaign funded christopher steele s work? i still don t know that for a fact. what do you mean? i only saw it in the media. i knew it was funded first by republicans that s not true. i m sorry? that s not true. the dossier was founded by the republicans? do you want to know who it was funded by? i wanted to know who i knew. it was funded by people politically opposed to donald trump. which particular opponents wasn t important to me. this was a stunning moment. he showed apparent ignorance of the basic facts of the dossier, which is one of the most important documents in the whole trump laura: why? it was the main basis for the application to spy on carter page. and that s also what comey and the other intel chiefs briefed president-elect trump on on january 26, 2017 starting the whole fight between trump and comey. it s a hugely important document. he seemed to repeat a left wing talking point that it began with republicans. we know anybody has followed knows that the fusion gps research into trump s business life began with republicans. they quit that. then the steele dossier was funded by democrats. laura: isn t that shocking? you ve sold 600,000 books, which is amazing. you wrote a book about this. you re on bret baier s show. oh, it s what i read in the media. you were fbi director. you used this document. richard, i m sorry, but that did strike me as quite a stunner. if i can, congress made reference to sheryl mills, hillary clinton s lawyer. donald trump who said on air force one, call my lawyer, michael cohen. famously said during the campaign, if you take the fifth, it s because your guilty. that s what mob people do. mills never took the fifth nobody in the clintons took the fifth other than the one guy laura: you shouldn t have to take the fifth. they gave her immunity. they could have given anybody they wanted laura: why did they give her immunity? the fact of the matter is, the suggestion there s a comparison between the two. carter page is one of five foreign policy advisers that donald trump named and the fbi he was a foreign agent. excuse me. that is nothing like what we re talking about. donald trump went into the oval office and gave russians secrets about the israelis being embedded and ways in which the islamic terrorists laura: we re talking about the former fbi director that is on this network tonight that made comments that were a run of the middle pundit on any cable network would know the answers to, which i found unbelievable. i want to play another sound bite. this is on the fisa application itself. byron, you ve wrote about this. congressman, you ve been dissecting this. let s watch. call the dossier unverified, salacious. why did you use that to the fisa court to ask for surveillance for carter page? you led with it, a bulk of the fisa application deals with that dossier. why? that s not my recollection, bret. i don t know that the fisa application has been released. there was a lot more than the dossier in the fisa application? my recollection there was a significant amount of time about page and why there was probable cause that he was an agent. is that true? no. when you lead with it, that s your primary evidence laura: have you seen the entire fisa application? we have not. laura: why? they won t let us. i asked christopher wray. they won t show us. laura: wow. they didn t tell the court who paid for it. they didn t tell the court that the author of the document, christopher steele, had his relationship with the fbi terminated. they didn t tell the court that. when we go to the court, we have to tell them the whole truth. they didn t to that. remember the house intel found out that the dossier was the bulk of it and separately the senate judiciary committee also found out that it was the bulk of it. laura: he also said he didn t see any bias in the page-strzok text when they talked about the insurance policy. they were clearly not wild about donald trump. even that s been said on other networks. but he didn t see any bias. again, there were republicans on this network and others that were saying the same thing about donald trump during the 2016 campaign that strzok was. strzok was saying the same things laura: but not investigating him. he was saying the same thing about eric holder. they were dishing dirt or trashing everybody they could. so to suggest strzok was a person that suggested that comey do the letter that basically was the beginning of the end for hillary clinton. i don t think it wasn t bias. it was animus towards the president. peter strzok is the deputy head of counter intelligence. he s been demoted and reassigned for his behavior. laura: the columbia law professor to whom comey gave that those memos, two of the six memos and he basically instructed him to get them out there. now we find out, which we didn t know, maybe you knew this, that he was actually a special consultant to the justice department? and we now find out that he s now operating as comey s attorney. his lawyer. laura: is that relevant? gives you attorney client privilege it helps to understand what he did to get the memos out. it was a stunning re-lation. comey does not consider what he did leaking. he has redefined leaking to mean only discloses classified information. he believes he s said several times that he didn t leak when he gave this memo to dan richman for the purpose of richman telling the new york times about it. comey maintains that this was not a leak. he also said it couldn t have been a leak because he left the fbi and was no longer a government employee. george stephanopoulos wrote a book about conversations with bill clinton. scott mcclelland broke a book after they were out of office. that s the case. that comey was out of office and he was no more of a leaker than george stephanopoulos or mcclelland was. the justice department kept them as if they were state secrets. few members were allowed to see them. you had do have an fbi minder with them. no notes, no copies. laura: it s contrary to justice department regulations nobody on capitol hill believes this is the only leak that james comey did there richman. i many guess is there were tons. he had employees with the sge status. i m guessing he did lots of leaks. laura: ask him that. no, there s attorney client privilege. can t bring him in. phenomenal panel. no doubt it would be. by the way, we reveal the dubious an possibly unlawful connection between a san francisco law school immigration activist and a drive to get asylum to hundreds of illegal immigrants next. i was a c130 mechanic in the corps, so i m not happy unless my hands are dirty. between running a business and four kids, we re busy. auto insurance, homeowner s insurance, life insurance policies. knowing that usaa will always have my back. that s just one less thing you have to worry about. i couldn t imagine going anywhere else. they re like a friend of the family. we are the cochran family, and we ll be usaa members for life. save by bundling usaa home and auto insurance. get a quote today. laura: hundreds of illegal immigrants are preparing to cross into california and ask for political asylum. what is more outrageous, this caravan of central americans has been organized, aided an abetted and coached by u.s.-based activists from a group. why has media turned a blind eye to the role played by the project s coordinator, alex mensing who is from the university of san francisco s immigration clinic? let s get into that with dan stein in tampa and francisco hernandez in fort worth, texas. dan, let s start with you here. this is quite something. we have american ngos and other ngos working to get the publicity going for this group. they come every year about easter time and make their way to mexico. mexico usually disbands them effectively. they started to disband them before i think the president started tweeting about it a couple weeks ago. but you have these lawyers that basically embed with the group who are american lawyers. they re going over, okay, this is what you say for credible fear of persecution and then they show up on buses and then they all start reciting the same line. it seems like it s encouraging people to gain the system. laura, it s aiding and abetting and organized smuggling. the media says it s like a street fair, they re coming in for a festival and going back to honduras. this is organized smuggling. as long as the united states is a free capitalist and open society, there will be millions of people that want to come here. not everybody can come and a sovereign nation like the u.s. has a right to control who comes in and who doesn t. groups like people without borders do not subscribe to that idea. so this effort is part of an organized effort we see across the world. we see it in europe and the gaza with israel and all around the world to try to challenge western societies to prevent them from using their immigration laws to stop this organized smuggling under the ban of asylum. i feel sorry for the people. if only refugees can get in. everybody wants to be called a refugee. so they get coached in. they know if they make a credible fear claim, if there s no detention space, they ll be released for years before they get their hearing and luckily the trump administration is taking steps to stop this by deploying immigration judges to extradite their removal. francisco, mexico has tried to help out here at various points including by, you know, telling the folks, look, you have 30 days to leave mexico. we ll give you a transit visa and you have to leave mexico. their point is, mexican officials have said if you want asylum, we ll give you asylum. but they have made it clear in various sources have told me that the hondurans overwhelmingly don t want to be in mexico. so they re not interested in going to any country except our country. why is that? except the promised land. listen to what you re saying. are we now against legal immigration? asylum law is a legal process by which these folks can applied to come in. they either have proof or they don t. you can t coach proof. what they re trying to come in under a legal process. that is our law. they re not coming across. there s no smuggling, no illegal entry into the united states. they re a playing to come into the united stat the united states legally. isn t that what we wanted? if there s 400 at the border, bring them some bricks and they can build the wall. since we spent $16 billion all told on illegal immigration, that would be five walls. let s talk about legal immigration. we re talking about people that come here illegally in the united states. many of the people interviewed have said no. laura: hold on. they have disbanded from the group and say we re going to get there. we re going to get there if we don t get in as assilees what about legal immigration? they re invoking asylum laws that is the law of the land. laura: francisco, are you saying you don t believe there s fraud in the asylum application of the asylum laws? sure there is. laura: it s rampant. and immigration is very good at ferreting it out. the proof is laura: what is francisco, you re an immigration attorney. you think these you think that 24-year-old mother of three is putting on witnesses and here s my documents. they don t have any documents what are you talking about? mrs. ingram laura: call me laura. the u.s. agents the trump administration s agents are growing to determine whether these people can prove immediate fear. it s not like there s all these social programs going out. it s a hard threshold to prove. it s a legal way of invoking the laws of the united states. laura: i think it s 75 to 93% of people that apply for asylum in this process get it or ultimately get released anyway during the process no, less than 10%. laura: they get released into dan, do they not get released after they applied the first is what is call credible fear. it s a low threshold. all you have to say is i m afraid to go home. they can request a judge. the problem is they get back locked and released to society and here for years. i wish had a dollar for every time they don t show up for their hearing or deportation it goes on and on. okay laura: hold on a second. there is a massive mess. if you don t like it, fix the law. the trump administration is trying to change the law. laura: francisco, you re absolutely right. check this out laura: hold on. francisco, you re right. this laws do need to be changed. the way the asylum laws are written now are it s easily gamable. if that s even a word. it s easily gamed and it does have to be changed because it s actually putting the migrant s lives at risk. you have these kids crossing that are being manipulated you re right. laura: and being hurt by the gangs and recruited by gangs. this is a humanitarian night that we helped create. god bless you for saying that. you re correct. laura: we re running over. this just came out today. the federal government loses track of 20% of the unaccompanied children within three months of their arriving here, this is hhs testimony today. they have lost track of 7,635 unaccompanied children that they had to check in with over the last three months of last year. they lost track of 1,500 of those after 30 days. we don t know where that are. and the people are many of the people say they re fleeing they say they re fleeing gang violence. the minors are actually recruited by ms-13 laura: we re out of time. we have a direct relationship laura: we agreed on something. i ll meet you at the border. laura: francisco, we re going to and the tequila shots are on me. you re on. laura: i ll buy drinks. you re on. laura: so many americans love the way the president uses twitter to go over the heads of the media. is there a hidden danger to being his own spokesman? frank luntz will reveal it next. laura: president trump struck gold by using social media to talk directly to the american people and continues to do that. but does the good outweigh the bad when he acts as his own press secretary? the president hit the bulls eye with a phone interview on fox and friends today. but is free-wheeling style, i love it but it can leave him wide open the critics, judges, prosecutors. in the trump era, does discipline matter? let s go to polster frank luntz. great to see you. let s play some of these sounds bite. they re pretty fun. first we re going he s talking about his nominations, his nominees not getting confirmed. let s watch. the democrats are obstructionists. it s horrible. they re not approving people. they re taking them out to the maximum 30 hours. it s a disgrace. we have people that have given up their jobs. topline people. they want to help us in government. chuck schumer and the great take years to approve them. it will take nine years. he will cease being president but the time the administration laura: smart to talk about that. smart. he s criticized congress up till now. that hurts the republicans more than the democrats. the second thing, he said it s not fair. trump is making a play for political bipartisanship and acting in a way that you re supposed to. i want to make a point. you re one of the point that wakes up and you can t wait to see donald trump s tweets. for that segment of trump s population, man, is he a good communicator. there s another segment, the swing voters, the people in the center that look at the language and say why? is this really effective? he s good in some points but in other cases he hurts himself. laura: like people like we need a general counsel for the u.s. department of navy. he was shot got out of committee last july, no hearing. we don t have an ambassador laura: no. we just got one today. how long did it take? laura: many months. it s a joke. i love when he s does that. it s smart. he talks about the phony cloud over him. let s watch. i m fighting a battle against a horrible group of deep-seeded people, drain the swamp that are coming up with phony charges against me. it s a witch hunt. they know that. i give myself an a plus. nobody has done what i ve been able to do and i did it despite the fact that i have a phony cloud over my head that doesn t exist. laura: a plus. a plus. gets an a plus. is that on the curve? i don t think so. my mom, if i ever myself and a would criticize me. laura: it s trump though. a regular a. that s why people like him. if you want to generate support, a little humility goes a long way. laura: and michael cohen with the criminal stuff. this worries me. i have many attorneys. i have attorneys sadly, i have so many attorneys you wouldn t believe it. mr. president, how much of your legal work was handled by michael cohen? a percentage of my overall legal work, a tiny little fraction. but michael would represent me on some things like this crazy stormy daniels deal. from what i see, he did absolutely nothing wrong. laura: the left jumping on that all day long. the lower third on cnn and msnbc. let s face it. attorney is not the most popular occupation right now. bragging that you had a ton of attorneys is not a good selling point. when you talk about the economy, talking about jobs and taxes, you re winning. if you re trying to defend yourself against these criticism, then you re losing. that is why you need a staff that is engaged and that s why you should do these interviews but only occasionally. because sometimes other spokespeople are better on your behalf than you are. laura: back in the 2016 election cycle, you had interesting focus groups. this is one of them. how many of you in this room love the tweeting. you think it s appropriate for the president to do that? he needs to tone down the language but the bottom line, it s his way to get the message out. i would argue that donald trump shouldn t tone it down. that s what got him elected. we can deliver a message. telling the people what they want to here. be us. has anything yeah. me. laura: you re like trump. know cussed on yourself. see how much weight i gained. laura: real quick. the if you are trying to appeal to your base, the tweeting is perfect. they wake unand they can t wait to read it. if you re trying to win over the swing voters, republicans that will need them in the fall, focus on policy and success. laura: and this is how your life is getting better. interesting. nigel will join us from london to analyst the heart breaking story from elphie evans. what you haven t heard we ll reveal tonight. so you re looking for male customers, ages 25-54, who live within five miles of your business? like these two. and that guy. or maybe you want to reach women, ages 18 to 34, who are interested in fitness. namaste. whichever audience you re looking for, we ll find them we re the finders. we work here at comcast spotlight, and we have the best tools for getting your advertising message out there. anywhere, any way your audience watches. consider them found. laura: if a society is best judged by the quality of its mercy, britain s socialized medical system is failing. eiffel evans is dying from a condition that doctors have been unable to diagnosis. he was taken off a court ordered life support. his family wants to take him to italy that is offering him an alternative treatment and citizenship. here to discuss what this tells us about socialized medicine, nigel. thanks for being here, nigel. i ve been praying for alfie and his family, but i have a question for you tonight. how can courts in the e.u. and the u.k. prevent a family from removing their child from a hospital and taking him or her to another country for treatment? how is that even happen something. what is happening here is the rights of the parents to do what they think are right are being taken away from them. we have a case here it s not the first. we had a big one last year regarding a little boy that wanted to go to america for treatment, treatment that was not available in the u.k. in this case, for young alfie, the treatment was available in italy but not here. the little boy is sick. but any parents, any parent in the world who has a child that is sick would move heaven and earth if somebody else could offer them a different treatment. yet what happens here is our state-run medical system decides there s nothing else that can be done and backed up by state courts, they make a decision that those parents are not fit to move their child somewhere else. the pope has intervened, the president of italy granted him italian citizenship and the medical professions and the courts say no, we re sorry. we re pulling the plug. the life support machine has been turned off. so this gets to the heart of how much freedom does the individual have, how much freedom do the parents have or now our children owned by the state? laura: it s almost like they broke alfie s father today. he said my son is a hostage. that s what we and so many others have called him. less like a hostage of the national health service. he said what we are enduring is not right. by the end of the day, he had changed his tune and said everybody go back to your lives. i think the hospital kind of sounds like he was threatened and said you re not going to get anything from us unless you tone it down. there was a picture yesterday of this hospital in northwest of england with 20 uniformed police officers standing outside the door of the hospital to stop little alfie from being taken out and stop protesters from getting in. using the police to keep the child in the hospital. these parents have been through every single legal process available to them. i m guessing now that the life support machine has been turned out, there s no prospect at all of the young boy going to italy, in the end, the father has accented the inevitable. whether or not he was threatened, i don t know. what i do know, when i was involved in this charlie guard case last year, i turned up outside the hospital in london and i was told in no uncertain terms by the p.r. services for the hospital that when i was doing was damaging the reputation of the hospital by doing a press report outside where this little boy was dying. it s classic of the establishment closing ranks. the state being all-powerful. frankly, what is happening today, what is happening right now is a form of state sponsored euthanasia and i hate it. laura: he s an undesirable. he can t be fixed. part of we re almost out of time. part of it, nigel, is the national health service, they don t want to risk the fact that he goes to italy, maybe he gets treatment and he has some quality of life and that s a big embarrassment to the national health service. thanks for being up late for us. we ll pray for him and his family. thanks so much. we ll be right back. laura: before we go, and tweet about our last segment. dear laura, thank you for talking about alfie evans. an italian state like the doctors and personnel have been waiting for days in liverpool this taken for the children s hospital in rome. god bless you all for trying to help. it s heartbreaking. tweet me, @ingrahamangle. we can only pray at this point and hope it never happens in this country. that s all the time we have best left. shannon bream is up next. shannon: will have more on the case as well. thank you very much, laura. three major breaking stories. bill cosby found guilty. we ll hear from the attorney representing a number of his accusers right here. plus explosive new text messages between two anti-trump fbi officials are revealed. with a focus on fired fbi director james comey. bret baier will be here with reaction and highlights from his blockbuster interview tonight. as baby alfie clings to life, we have a stunning look at why the u.k. health system may be blocking his parents from taking him elsewhere for care. hello and welcome to fox news @ night. i m shannon bream in washington. we begin witom
you will get a call. hannity thanks. all right. good evening from washington each laura ing ramming this is the ingraham angle. what a lineup including a swi squirming james cuomo the hot seat people look at how the clinton case and trump case is handled. i don t see yea. no they are handled the same. jim jordan will dissect where brett bear tripped comey up. the president tells fox that comey is guilty of crime. we learn new and damaging details about his memos. frank will be here and examine the pro s and any con s of the president acting as his own press secretary. i leak it. and expose the americans aiding and abetting s mass invasion of illegal immigrants look to ecploy our laws. nigel is here in the middle of the night he is getting up to examine this night marry scene. sacrifice of a small charld on the alter of socialized medicine. new cernel culture is the focus of tonight s angle. entertainment e lite in total freak out mode. why? because one of the megastars kenye announced he is thinking for himself. it felt like a cultural earthquake when west tweetd that he liked the way a conservative black activist thought and yesterday followed up with protrump tweets that has the internet exploding. declared his love for trump and the dragon energy they share and refuse to let the mob shake his love for the president. look, this is not about celebrating one star s endorse am of trump. what i will be talking about is shining a light on the intolerant crowd. the people who claim they have a monopoly on intolerance and inconclusion. other than acdemmia, well are few industries that the american left dominates lobing it does entertainment. for kenye s sin of speak his mind. drake issue nikki and reanna unfollowed him on social media. what a punish am. the reaction prosecute elsewhere on the left was just as pronounced. a different celebrity wanting attention. his wife is tweeting back sayings don t be hard on my husband. don t necessarily make it seem like he is going througha mental break down. i don t know what happened here. kenye west said he is too rich to not be republican had a right to independent thought and i think waniel lost his mind. is steven still in character? look, original thought will not be tolerated by this crowd. and anyone ho breaks from the bored mind set must be shunned or bullied back in the fold. kenye shared a text exchange with john ledge end. love his music. the exchange today illustrates my ponent. legend writes i hope you reconsider aligning yourself with trump you are too powerful to endorse who he is. so many who love you feel betrayed they know the harm trump s policies cause for people of color especially. don t let this be a part of your legacy. can we respond. i love you, john. bring up my fans and legacy is a ta tactic based on fear used to manipulate my free thought. he is right. anyone who dares to question the id ideology of the left a black artist, must be brought back to line. now, let s talk turkey whether kenye is punking e lites or whether he is sincerely expressing a belief about the president it is almost immateri immaterial. kenye cracked the door on the glaring hypocrisy of the left they claim to defend minority rights until a minority disagrees with them. claim to be for diversity until a diverse viewpoint is heard. west might have made it easier for others to stand up against this herd mentality. he received some support for his independence. chance the rapper, on my play list. hard low a conservative voice tweeted, black people don t have to be democrats. i can t believe it is so scanned lighthou lutz. i don t think keniel is the new mlk, i have vivid memories at him at a fund raise never the wake of hurricane katrina. george bush does not care about black people. and i can remember when he rudely rushed the stage to take a music award from taylor swift that also was not nice. 15 years ago. i can hardly believe i wrote a book, shut up and sing a critique of the political activism of the high paid celebrities like the dixie chicks. jackson brown, on and on. the upshot is we pay them to entertain. we don t want to be captive to their political pondering. someone who for some ungodly reason does get paid to pontificate on politic ana navarro tweeted me. ed, has mrs. ingraham told kenye shut up and sing yet? i will make it clear it applies to anyone peddling political nonsense lacking the credentials or experience to do so. anna. well, i m not about to chair the pronouncement of ckenye west, n. the play call mugz says of unfurthermored celebrity is not of interest to me what is interesting, the over the top e reaction to a star saying something cernel cultural today that is of great interest to me. watching the left attack him for dare to break ranks with them. even in the vaguest terms talking about love, that is truly revealing. what kenye west says in the days ahead is less important than the conversation he started. and who would have thought that a bad boy like kim kardashian s husband could be the catalyst for an honest discussion about the cohearsed conformity of thought the celebrity culture imposeod all of us. that s the angle. for some answers we are joined by nigel spokesman for congress of racial equality and democratic strategist joel pain. joel, hava it you heard my view and kenye hit. i m not a fan of kenye but he is getting hit by everybody out there. laura, this is not really news to me. you got one rich, famous mill n millionaire preponderating another. nurth understand the problem regular americans face it is not surprising west would be down with trump. that should not be a shock. nigel? what do you think? i think is amazing you are talking about rich millionaires you guys in the democrat left wing group have more millionaire hypocrites blessed by being in this capitolist country you have free will to make money and promote the socialism that traps people that look leak you and me. i don t get this blaming kenye for being a draf celebrity he pays a pen. not just him. steve harshy paid for visiting donald trump. remember that. marvin king s son blamed for visiting. both win six months regretted that. the no. okay. with intellectual tir annie of you. talk about trump has done for african americans. kenye tweeted obama was in office eight years and nothing in chicago changed. what changed under trump. black homeownership under obama 46.1% in 2009 in 2019 medium household item for blacks under obama in 2008 37, 809 then to 37, 211. obama did not deliver big results. they re all obama s numbers. you know this this is obama s economy, still. why don t you. the highest. i know the address of chicago. point the point of that the point guys the point of that graphic is medium household next is how much money you bring home. it was also in part under bush obama did the hard work. food stamp participation went up 4.4%. ben carson. you know what we are making a substantive point and lock i want to be fair because i want joel to get his point out. i think to say reflexively. trump is bad for black people the economy is soaring. manufacturing is coming back. yea. and when you say about the millionaires i get what you are saying out of touch but not out of touch with the working class that s why they rejected the globalist republicans and went with a millionaire saying you are begin a raw deal bite system that has not performed. he got those people to tunnel out and vote for him that is not a fair criticism of trump those working class people was gold for trump. reason why he did well in michigan and pennsylvania came within a couple of points winning minnesota because of. nigel he only got nine percent of after can americans do residence need to do better. 13% of the black male vote. and i fear for my i feel sorry for my brother joel. we break in the monopoly democrats had for 40 years the party is in trouble. it is not just god bless kenye. i am a fan! i love what he is doing. not just happening on the air waves today i came from a conference called impact. 500 blacks, latinose and asians supporting trump and the republican party. there is something a revolution. i didn t know about this conference. i know to your point. black men you are right. continues to prove my point black women other tip. love laugh. that s good. right. am i right? they are behind. okay. god for bid. black women [laughter]. well. i m all for the women. [laughter]. i m for the african-american women. this is what donald trump said today on fox and friends about kenye. let s watch kenye looks and sees black un. am at the lowest it has been in the history of our country. okay. he sees that stuff and he is smart and says trump is doing a better job than the democrats did. i mean, i think that is what kenye believes. what how has life for african-americans the last 14 months not how is it deteriorated trump. an appreciate him not breaking the glass that obama built. obama built a strong house and foundation that donald trump is wreeping the benefits. i appreciate in 14 months he has not broken it. there is time. i will tell you a bit of glass that trump was attempting to break before the democrat establishment in chicago prevented him the crime wave. war zone the killing field of black and brown people in chicago. am obama s home town he did nothing for eight years. in a year it was 2016 tr there are more black keed than iraqi. obama is the reason well is violence in chicago. how many gun. are you saying, are you saying that obama who started off being a community organize r, still keeps in touch with people with cool celebrity like j. z. in chicago. and couldn t do anything about the crime. it has been governed by democrats jason johnson a root s editor. he said that the president is out of touch and can we play it. i know we are running late. i want to play this and get these guys to react. when the president brags about the things he has done for black folk. kenye west does not represent black people. president is oust touch think about talking about a lost place rapper married a reality tv family is resfleflective how bl people think? he has no idea what it takes to make america great. i know who determines who is black and not black. he is not authentic black because he married to the kardashian family. i know kenye brought more to the relationship than the car dashians. it was a reassuring relationship. jason said what i said at the beginning. this is one wealthy millionaire supporting another. who made his life easy and the lives of 97% of american. reanna is a millionaire. that buys his albums harder. and j. z. and the entire entertainment they actually have perspective. troying to promote an agenda that is what made them their millions. you know what i think i think trump wants more to be million arias not like mitt rom moo neil. what he is trying to do is he is trying to bring more wealth and opportunity back to the country redoing the trade deals. bri bringing marring back. actually i will tell you this, again i will say this if you think that the way to help the african-american community is to flood chicago with thousands of labelerers i guess we are on, i don t the word is illegally. you know it is not help after can americans get jobs. i don t care the country you are from if you are illegal and taking jobs from americans weather they are white, latino or black. who s side are you on. trump and kenye and the rest of us. is that live in the real world. a wonderful sisters will follow that 13%. i think kenye opened people can come out of the closet. they are in the closet as conservatives may be a few more will come out. whenever. joel, bring in joel. joel is too cool not to be with us. great segment. jim comey made eye brow raising i can t do that raising asertion in his interview tonight like one about the russian dallasiel. my understanding the activity begun that steel was hireed look into was fund bide republicans then picked up by democrats opposed trump. well, wrong. we ll set the record straight with experts including jim jordan and byron roeshg, stay there. hey, want the fastest internet? done. and now, xfinity mobile is included. you can get up to five lines. you can save 400 bucks or more a year, which you can spend on a funk-tastic music video. dance party boom. simple. easy. awesome. come see how you can save $400 or more a year with xfinity mobile. plus, ask how to keep your current phone. visit your local xfinity store today. lauren: the feud with president trump and comey turning to a tit for t at. comey defends himself on the attack on c nn last night. do you think well is credence to the president s claims that you broke the law when you released your memos. i don t. that will not surprise you. i don t i think he is making stuff up. president trump returned fire in a phone interview on fox and friends this morning. look, comey is a leaker. and he is a liar. leaked classified information in order to try to get a special council. he leaked the memos. he is guilty of crimes and if we had a justice department that was doing their job lauren: in the interview tonight comey responded to trump s accusations. he is wrong. facts do matter. which is why i m on the show to answer your questions that memo was unclassified then and still it is in my book the fbi cleard that book that is a false stap what separate fact frr fikdz with the expert panel jim jordan and fox news contributor byron rourke and richard goodstein a form are advisor to clinton. a lot toup pack. i want to play part of this interview tonight where brett asked about the clinton investigation and the compari n comparison. let s watch. you see the despairity people look how the clinton case was handled and how the trump case is handled. i don t see well is the memory people see at this time president is not making update fact they called cheryl mills and said what time can we come over. cheryl mills was? subject of the investigation when the clinton investigation started comparthat to the president s personal lawyer gets his door kicked in the attorney general was not consulted. you don t talk to the highest law enforcement officer when you kick in the president s lawyer s door? of course the president should be upset by that treatment and the american people areup set. byron, well was a moment where hay discuss who funded the dall dossier, when did you learn the dnc and clinton campaign funded christopher s work. gi never knew which democrats funded i knew it was funded first by republicans. that s not true that the dossier that steel worked on. my understanding his work started funded by research funded pie republicans. why do you want to know who it was funded by. i wanted to know i knew funded by people opposed to trump. which opponents was not important. this was a stunning moment. he showed ignorance of the basic facts of the dossier which is the most important documents why the many basis for application to spy on cart are page? and that is also what comey and the other chiefs briefed president elect on january 6 issue 2017 starting the whole fight with trump and comey. it is hugely important document he repeated a talking point is began with republicans upon we know i think everybody who followed newt fusion gps research to trump s business life began with republicans. quit that and the steel dossier was funded by republicans. but you are running a book store and sold sick00,000 books which is amazing you wrote a book about had and you are saying really if the it is what i read in the media the republican says started it. you just wrote a book you were fbi kreshth and use this document. ri rismard i m sorry that did strike me as a stunner. if i can, congress made conference to cheryl mills. donald trump who said on airforce one call my lawyer. michael cohen and said during the campaign if you take the fifth it is guilty that s what mob people do. his lawyer is taking the fifth. nobody in the clinton orbit took the fifth. shouldn t have to she got the immunity. so they could anybody they wanted. why? the facts of the matter is suggestion that well is somehow a comparison with the two carter page was one advisor trump named he was a foreign agent. that is nothing like what we are talking about. the oval office and gave russians secrets being imbedded in ways. we are talking about the form are fbi director on this in evidence work tonight. made comments that were a run of the mill on any cable network would know the answers i want to play a sound bite on the filesa application itself and byron you have been writing about this and you have been dissecting this. lite watch dossier unverified, why did you use that to the court to ask for surveillance for carter page. a bulk deals with the dossier. why? that is in the my recollection joan if the application is released it was part of a broader mosaic of facts before the judge to obtain a warrant. more than the dossier in the application? there was a significant aim of additional material about sxanl why there was cause to believe he was agent of a foreign power no they lead with it that is your primary evident. have you seen the entire application. no. they will not let us i asked, will you show it. and clear this up. they will not show it they lead. wow they didn t tell the court who paid for it. they did not tell the court the author of the document christopher steel had his relationship with the fbi terminated they did not tell the court. when we go to court we have to tell the whole truth. house intel found the dossier was the bulk and the judiciary committee found out it was the bulk of it. heed he does not see biassed richard in the page struck are text. page instruct talked about the insurance policy. they were clearly not wild about trump that has been said on other networks. he did not see biassed:there were republicans on this network and others saying the same about trump during the campaign that struck was. struck said the came about bernie sanders and eric holer. the fact is hay were dishing dirt or trashing everybody they could. to suggest. struck was a person who suggested comey do the letter that was the beginning of the end for hilary. i don t think. it was not biassed it wassan mouse toward the president. he is the deputy head of counterintelligence and demoted and reassigned for his behavior. lauren: the columbia law professor whom comey gave that those memos two of the six memos and instructed him to get him out. now we find out i didn t know may be you did. that he was a special consultant to the justice department? and we now find he is now operating as comey s attorney. does that give him prison you can t talk to him about this relationship? helps to understand what comey was doing innet going the memos out. this was a revelation not only in this interview and the town halt. comey does not consider what he did leaking he redefined leaking classified information and he believes that he did not leak when he gave this memo to dan richmond for the purpose of richmond telling the new york times about temperature comey maintains this was not a leak. and said it could not have been a leak he left the fbi and no longer an employee. george wrote a book about conversations with clinton. scott wrote a book conversations with george w. bush no suggested they were illegal leaks that is the case. that comey was out of office and was no more of a leak are than george or mc clelen nobody suggested they were illegal leakers or liar. last week they kept the memos they were state secrets. new could see. have to have a fbi minder with them. no notes or copies lauren lauren controversy to justice no one believed this was the only leak he did. my guess there were tons. status had the clearance and coming to the fbi when he wanted i guess he did lots of leaks. bring him in ask him. there is torn/client privilege. bite way we reveal the and unlawful connection with a san francisco law school immigration activist and drive to drive asylum to hundreds of illegal m immigrants, next. lauren: hundreds of illegal immigrants are prepare to cross the border from tijuana to cal dam this weekend and ask for political asylum more outrageous this caravan has been organized, aidd and abetted and coached by u.s. based activists from the group, pueblo fronter. why has media turned a blind eye to alec menstrualing a program assistant at the university of san francisco immigration clinic. dan stein is in tampa and fremantancisco hernandez in for worth, texas. this is something. we have american america go s. work to get this publicity going for the group r. they come every year and make their way to mexico. mexico disbanded them and started to disband them before the president started tweeting about it. you have the lawyers who embed with the group. who are american lawyers. and they are going over. this is what you say for credible fear of persecution. and then they show up on buss and they start resieth the same line. i mean. it seems lining it is encerneling people to gain the system. lauer ait is aiding and abetting it is organized smuggling. media makes it like a street fair they are coming in for a festival and going back to honest dours this is organized smuggling as long as the united states remains a free and open society there will be millions around the world who would like to come here not everyone can come and the udz has the right to i don t control who come in. people without boarders don t subscribe to that this is an organized effort we see in europe now in the gaza and all around the world to try to challenge western societies to prevent them from using immigration laws to stop the organized smuggling under a banner of asylum. i feel sorry. a lot look like nice, good people. the point if only they get in everybodiment to the be called a refugee they get coach in the they know if they make a credible fear claim they will be released. and luckily the trump add stragdz is taking steps to stop this. deployingim gragdz judges. get francisco in. mexico has tried to help out here? at various points individualing by telling the folks look you have 30-days to leave mexico. we will give you a visa and you have to leave. their point is mix cal officials if you want asylum we will give it to you. but they made it clear in sources that stoled me. honduras does not want to be in mexico they are not interested going to any country. except the promised land, are we against illegal immigration. the law is a process which the folk apply to come inform they have wroof or don t they feel are coming in after a legal process our law. they are not coming across well is no smuggling or illegalent row in the united states they are apply to come in legally. is that what we wanted? if there is 4 huh hum there at the border trump can bing bricks and we can start the wall we spent 116 billion dollars on illegal immigration that is how many fuels. fight. immigration. we re people who come here illegal low in the united states and many of the people said and the people, hold on. disbanded from the group say, we will get there. we will get in. there are illegal immigration. they are envocabularyinging the asylum law. are you seaing you don t believe well is fraud in the asylum application mraus in the us. sure well is fraud. it is rampant and immigration is good fair being it out. you can t coach proof. problem here is. what proof. you are not putting on witnesses. where you know this you are an immigration attorney. you think that 24 year old mother of three is putting on kns witnesses and okay. here is my documents. they don t have documents. what is signal it is not like well is all these social programs going out. it is a hard threshold to prove temperature is a legal way of envocabularying the laws. 75 to 93% of people who apply for asylum get it. or they get released anyway. am absolutely. it is less than 10%. they get released do they get released after they applied. the first standards credible fear it is low. say, i m afraid to go home. problem is the case get backlogs and released they are here for years wrchl wish i had a dollar claims does not show up if th m immigration hearing. on and on and on. jury room has this mattered this is a massive mess. trump administration is trying to change the law. you are right. these laws do need to be changed because the way the asylum laws are written now it is easily gamable. if that is a word. it is easily gamed and does have to be changed. because it is putting the migrant lives at risk. you have kid. being manipulated and they are hurt by the gangs and recruited by gangs. this is a human tarrian night marry we respected great. this came out today by the federal gentleman. federal government loses track of 20% of unacompanied children within thirty-two months of them arriving there. he lost track of 7, 635 uncomprehended children they check in with over three months of last year they lost track of 1500 after thirst days. many who say they are fleeing but a lot of the unemployed minor are claimed by game. we have a relationship with gun violence. the border next week. hey. we ll go in the tequila shotsor me. i buy drinks for everybody. so manner americans life way the president uses twitter. is there a hid emdang torbeing his own best spoke man. frank will reveal it, next. lauren: president trump struck gold using social media to speak to the people during the campaign and continues. does the good out weigh the bad when he is his own communication press secretary? the president hit the pull s eye on issue in a range phone interview on fox and friendlies this morning. his free wheeling style can leave him open to critics and prosecutor does message develop matter? analyze this with an expert. fraefr frank. let s play should. it is fun. first he is talking about his nominees not getting confirmed. the democrats are obstructionists it is horrible what they are doing not approving people. taking them out to mack 30 hour ands it is a disgrace you have people who have begin up their jobs, top line, brilliant people want to help us in government and chuck sclumer and the group take years to approve them. nine year. tell take nine years. smart to talk about that not only it is smart this is the first time he addressed the democrats up until now he criticized congress. it is not fair. trump is making a play for political bipartisanship and acting the way you are supposed to which i know you wake up and you can t wait to see trump s tweets. for that segment of the population he is a good communicator there is another segment the swing voters that look at the language and they wonder, why, is this effective in he is good in some points but in others case he hurts himself. there are team we need a general council for the u.s. department of navy. he was shot out got out of committee last july. no hearing. we don t have around ambassador in germany just confirmed. took among its is a joke. i love when he does that. he starts talking about the phony cloud over him. let s watch. i m fighting a battle against a horrible group of deep seed people drained the swamp coming up with phony charges against me it say witch hunt and they know that. i would give myself an a+. nobody has done what i did i did it despite the fact i have a phony cloud that does not exist. a+. gets an a+. is that a curve. my mom if i gave myself an awould have criticized me. nothing was better. you think trump will give himself a b-. that s why people like him. if you want to generate support, a little bit of humility goes a long way. michael cohen the legal stuff, this worries me as a form are white collar criminal defense attorney. vimany attorneys sadly i have so many attorneys you would not believe it. how much mr. president how much of your willing work was handled by michael cohen. a percentage a tiny little fraction. but my goal would represent me on some things. represents me like with had crazy stormy danyll s deal. represented me and you know, from what i see he did absolutely nothing wrong. the left is jumping on that all day. low are third on cnn. lite face it. attorney are not the most popular occupation and bragging you had a ton of attorney is not a selling possibly when you talk about the economy and jobs and talking about taxes you are wing. if you are trying to defend yourself against criticisms you are losing. you need a staff that is engaged and you should do the interviews but only accessally. because sometimes other spokes people are better on your behalf than you are. in the 2015 election cycle you had good focus groups. you think it is appropriate for a president to do that? needs to don t down the language the bottom line is it is his way to get the message out. donald trump should not tune it down. we can deliver, telling the people what they want to here and not just bs. wow. anything changed from them. me. you are like trump. focusod yourself. i see how much weight. you look great. kwivenlth if you are trying to appeal to your base the tweeting is perfect they wake up in the morning and can t wait to read it. if you are winning over swing voters the residence need in the fall focus policy and success rather than on this is how your life is getting better. interesting. frank. nigel will join us from london to analyze the heart breaking story of aftery evans. of the fact that i served. i was a c130 mechanic in the corps, so i m not happy unless my hands are dirty. between running a business and four kids, we re busy. auto insurance, homeowner s insurance, life insurance policies. knowing that usaa will always have my back. that s just one less thing you have to worry about. i couldn t imagine going anywhere else. they re like a friend of the family. we are the cochran family, and we ll be usaa members for life. save by bundling usaa home and auto insurance. get a quote today. laura: if a society is best judged by the quality britain socialized medical system appears to fail that test. 23 month old avenue evans is dying tonight from a neurological condition doctors unable to diagnose. he was taken off life support by court order on monday. yesterday an appeal s court refused to let his parents take him to italy offering treatment and citizenship. here to discuss why alfie s life matters is nigel and london and this is a live show and the middle of the night. thank you for being here. i have been praying for after and he his family but have a question. how can courts in the eu and uk prevent a family from removing their child from a hospital and taking them or hadtory oorth country terror treatment. how is that happening? what is happening the rights of the parents to do what they think are right are being taken away from them. we have a case. it is not the first concerning a boy charlie guard who weaponed to go to receipt not tribal. the boy is very 6. any parent in the world got a child that is sick would move 11 with a weekend shaping. straight run medical system decides there is nothing else that can be done and backed up by state courts they make a decision those parents are not fit to move their child. when you think about this case. popes intervene. i damiable prosecute the medical it has been turned off. this gets to the heart of how much freedom does the individual have the and decisionmaking process to parents have or are our children now owned bite state. it is like hay broke alfie s father today. at the beginning of the day he was saying some and see how my son is a host age of the hospital. what we on the show and many others have are called him. he is a hostage of the national health service. what we are enduring is not right the end of the day he changed his tune and said everybody go back to your lives and i think the sounds like he was threat haddened. you are getting nothing from us nulls pour it down. a support with 24 uniforms police officers. standing outside of the door to stop alfie taken out and stop protesters from getting n. using the police to keep the child in the hospital. parents have been through every legal process available to them and i m guessing what the let support turned off. noprospect of him going late. father accepted weather he was threatened. what i know is when i was involved in this charlie case last year. i turned up outside of the passport and told no uncertain terms what i was doing damaging the press relieve of the piazza lit i can t recall. and i hate it. ionow. he is now undesirable and we can t help them. they are undesirable he can t being fixed. part of it nigel is the national health service they don t want to risk the fact it goes to italy may be he gets treatment and has a quality of life that is an embarrass am to the health service. thank you for being up late we will pray for him and his family. we ll be right back. .. a tweet about our last segment. marks wes think you are talking about alfie evans, doctors and medical personnel, waiting for dave in liverpool to take off the to the children s hospital in rome, god bless you all for trying to help, it is heartbreaking. tweet me at ingramangle, hope this never happens in this country. shannon bream is next. bill cosby found guilty on 3 counts of sexual assault. hear from an attorney representing a number of bill cosby s accuses. explosive new text messages between two anti-trump fbi officials are revealed with a focus on james comey. bret baer will have reaction and highlights from his blockbuster interview. as baby alfie clings to life we have a look at why the uk health system may be blocking
morning joe. it is wednesday, october 23rd. heard mcconnell told reporters we have a majority of statesman with us we have msnbc that he and trump never discussed the matter. good morning and welcome to contributor mike barnicle, white house reporter for the morning joe. it is wednesday, october 23rd. women in the congress. two men, one school, people of character that aren t associated press, jonathan simply interested in their own westpoint, duty, honor, country. professional wellbeing and one man so far stepped up and lemire, professor at princeton committed to the country and the country s wellbeing and the adhered to that motto. state of our democracy and what all right. on that note, coming up on eddie glaude jr., joe is out on we have seen over the course of morning joe. they talk about the elite. 2 plus years is that we have in professor at clemson university an assignment he s interviewing some ways a deficit of the elite. do you ever see the elite? and columnist for the washington leadership, a deficit of they re not elite. character and deficit of decency you are the elite. ringo starr in los angeles. how cool is that? 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quo, an explicit quid pro quo in all working with a new generation of technologies it s a great place for books. his testimony. taylor the top envoy to the thank you. powered by our gig-speed network. i know you know walter ukraine was asked to go by isaacson pretty well, so because beyond technology. there is human ingenuity. he hired me, yeah. what? he hired you? yeah. pompeo. taylor kept detailed notes and okay, well, you better not records and recounted. every day, comcast business is helping businesses the room was spell bound as he and the top envoy was asked to fail at this question. walter has the first question. went through his testimony and go beyond the expected. went through the time after time go to keep detailed notes and walter, take it. where he had disturbing as he to do the extraordinary. hey, joel. joel, i mean, we ve known each put it, disturbing conversations take your business beyond. records and recounted yesterday other for more decades than with other members of the administration and the state the room was spell bound as he you d like to admit you ve been went through the testimony and alive, and you know how much i department, how he learned about liked your book, but what rudy giuliani and as he put it the time after time where he had particularly surprised me about this parallel foreign policy to as he put it disturbing your book was when you went in ukraine, the exchanges with conversations with other members of the administration and the to certain small towns, certain state department. ambassador bolton about what was how he learned about rudy places, and your mind changed. happening there when bolton you actually evolved in your tried to keep things on more thinking. giuliani. the exchanges with ambassador regular channels, and then to give us an example of some town spell out what is largely the quid pro quo, what the president bolton, the security adviser about what was happening there you went to where you actually met people and said, okay, my has time and time again denied as well and he tried to keep suggesting that the president mind has been opened up a would only authorize this things on the more regular little. oh, this is great. military aid toed ukraine if it channels and then to spell out the last time you interviewed me, i got a job out of it, so what is largely the quid quo pro were to carry out the investigation into corruption, this will go well for me, i m and that namely meant, of sure. i went to a town in america with course, the bidens. suggesting the president would and this is really a direct only authorize this military aid the highest percentage of trump voters, and i thought i would to ukraine if it were to carry teach them a lot and they would line david ignatius being drawn out the investigation into teach me a little, like from the inside in terms of someone who was there and a part something i could stitch on a corruption how would you doyly, probably, and keep in my of this. what bill taylor described, house. but instead, it kind of changed david, how would you the way i lived, because they characterize that? would gather every night on porches and not look at their is that a crime? were you consulted about the well, he certainly has the phones and go to church and have these communities, and i really elements of an exchange of withdrawal of troops. something for something else of thought, like, they knew more i wasn t consulted. about how to live than i did, we did so and they attacked but i definitely knew more about value. that s usually called bribery. within a matter of hours and you how to vote than they did. we ll leave it to the house to characterize that? is that a crime? so, what did you take away it has the elements of an decide how they want to assess from them on the political side? exchange of something for say those were unrelated but it you say, you talked about the voting of it. the specific charges. would say to me there was a when they talked about donald trump and how he impacted their something else of value. yesterday s testimony as we read that s called bribery. lives, what d they say? well, i think as people, we it had the feeling for me of a relationship. turkey appears to be tipping point. feel speed. we don t we don t feel speed, committing war crimes. it just was of a different it s up to the house with how do you disagree with that? we feel acceleration. and what they have felt, even character of what we ve seen they want to assess the specific turkish supported syrian before, mika, and i ve tried to though white christians are opposition forces that were still the most powerful group in think what is it about the way charges. yesterday s testimony had the the country, they feel like they feeling for me of a tipping have less power than they used under general turkish command to, and it s an existential taylor wrote these 15 pages. as you can see from the pictures and did carry out a war crime crisis for them, and they just he s a mild mannered kind of and we have reached out to want to stand on top of the turkey to demand an explanation. mountain and yell stop. classic foreign service officer. and i could feel why they feel i think there are two things. first, he wrote it almost as a christians are more point. discriminated against than black that was the u.s. ambassador people, because that s the experience they re living. detective story. as you can see he s a mild so, did you get any sense of he arrives in kiev not to syria. facing questions yesterday on understanding that there s this the impact of turkey s offensive why so many feel such resentment mannered classic foreign service second as he calls it irregular in northeast syria. officer. he wrote it almost as a toward people like us and where channel that s really running we live and how we make our things. so through this narrative, he detective story. he arrives in kiev not living? yeah, because they knew more learns more and more and begins about my life than i knew about to see that these other people theirs. understanding that there s a like, they had traveled to cities, they certainly have are running a policy that has second irregular channel that s running things. televisions where they see nothing to do with our stated so through this narrative he either this show or modern policy that congress has voted, learns more and more and begins family or some show that pretty and then the second thing that s to see these other people much replicates my life. running a policy that has and i went to this town and i in these 15 pages is a tone of nothing to do with our stated walter isaacson joins the really knew very little about policy that congress has voted. moral outrage. conversation along with willie them or their work or their and me. lives, and that made them really here are ukrainians literally on my first question is was there any argument made in that angry. were you surprised that i would assume that you heard a the front lines fweagainst russ testimony in support of this lot of references to god and fighting an undeclared war in church and religion the east. i went to church, yeah. taylor goes in the front to see policy that chose that in that you don t hear, like it, and he writes with real from, for instance, democrats conviction that more ukrainians running for president? yeah. will die because president trump yeah, or from me, or on this is withholding this military show. so, yeah, they re living a very assistance for political anyway. not really. he tried to put the best face he different life than i am, and purposes. they wanted me to see it and he doesn t say so, but he s could on it. and he writes more ukrainians know it, and i m glad i did. outraged, and i think that comes through and will come through will die because president trump for anybody who reads this. is with holding this military not only was he not consulted claire. you know, i understand where assistance for political you were because for a lot of my purposes. he doesn t say so let s talk but that the policies in place bill taylor, let s talk about bill taylor personally for a few state, that is the reality. yeah. moments. bill taylor graduated from west and i think one of the things point, he served in the 101st that our presidential candidates having the kurds control an area are missing and i d love your with the turks on the other side take on this is to speak airborne, led a combat infantry directly to these folks who was working back in august that platoon in vietnam and has was agreed to by the turks and served the united states of about his personally. really for them, donald trump america in the state department they just decided to go ahead was like pulling a pin on the under consistent administrations republican and democrat, and hand grenade and lobbing it into d.c. and saying, well, nothing yesterday the white house s and he served the united states response to ambassador taylor s of america in state department else has worked. we still can t afford to retire, statement and testimony under consistent administration we still can t afford to send yesterday was to describe it as and through and what we have is our kids to college. part of a smear campaign from election politics and not everybody who gets free stuff is republican and democrat. somebody other than me. far left lawmakers and radical and yesterday the white house s national security being decided talk about the failure of our response to ambassador taylor s by the president of the united candidates thus far to speak unelected bureaucrats. states and it s a betrayal to directly, especially to people statement and testimony was to living in places like rural describe it as part of a smear that s how they described missouri. yeah, i think it s important campaign from far left lawmakers that people in missouri, which i ambassador william taylor. and radical unelected the kurds and our policy with as david ignatius just indicated will now pronounce correctly it had the feeling, his bureaucrats. that s how they described both are correct. no, i m going with yours. statement when you read it of a ambassador william taylor. russia and it s one of the worst it s important they do that, but a radical unelected bureaucrat national security blunders i sea change in this now shuiftin have seen. i also think we all need to step senator, it s willie geist. but as just indicated, it had back for a second. the reason i wrote a funny book the feeling, his statement, when about this is because every people like mark meadow and jim you read it, of a sea change in other book about politics now is so angry and serious, and we ve jordan and most of the this. you mention them coming to an now shifting people like mark agreement to fill the void as gotten our self into a really planned as the americans moved bizarre situation that we just republican members of the united states senate their positions of meadows and jim jordan and most aside in northeast syria. need to acknowledge. like, when i was growing up, if denial to now a position of is there anything the united trying to come up with an of the republican members of the states can do at this point to you told me there d be a populist revolt in the u.s., i d explanation. the irony is na mark meadows united states senate from their positions of denial to now a mitigate the damage that we re be like, oh, well, there was an watching happen in real time? walked out of that ten-hour position of trying to come up economic collapse or there was a with an explanation. what is your resource here? war or a natural disaster, but deposition and declared that he well, trying to get the this is like an unforced error. didn t hear any quid pro quo. president to change course which yeah. is of course not an easy things were actually going nothing new, it was still in proposition because this is all pretty well. people wanted to burn the system about election politics for him. down on both the left and right, place. you know, in his column in the and i just want people to, like, step back, calm down, and let washington post made it clear he declared he didn t hear a people who have some expertise the question of whether this still run things, instead of quid quo pro. everyone just operating from the but if we were to keep a more happened is settled. gut and knowing more than the the issue now is how the nothing new. he said the question of whether substantial troop presence and this happened is now settled. generals. yeah, okay. at the same time, it s so there s at least three president the evidence is locations. interesting, you wrote a piece clear. how the president explains it one stops iran s pathway to in the washington post ? now we have to assess what will and what congress chooses to do yes. threaten our ally the state of about why impeachment is the wrong road. the congress do and ting that about it. so you re right. yeah. why? something has changed. the smoking gun is here. well, my fear is that the evidence is clear. israel to that preserves the oil that s i think that s where we are. something has shifted. field so it doesn t fall into impeachment looks really you and david are right. now we have to assess what will elitist, and people do not like something has shifted. iran or others hands and creates the elites right now. the congress do and that s where i m the only one out there the question now is what are the defending them as far as i can next steps. add one other thing to the a cash cow for them and that tell. and impeachment looks like we are. could be a way to fund the kurds it s trickery, right? list. bill taylor was asked by it s a bunch of lawyers getting in their effort and fight secretary pompeo to return to against isis and thirdly in the together and trying to use service. so the radical unelected southern part of syria if we obscure parts of the bill taylor was asked by kept a significance presence constitution, and then they go bureaucrat was asked by pompeo to come out of retirement to the i mean, stuff that i because of experience in ukraine secretary pompeo to return to that there would at least and work. mitigate some of the as an elitist love. he agonized over the decision he consequences but to be very right. wrote in his opening statement. service so the radical unelected honest with you, some of what we have done is what the president there will be a supreme court his wife voted against it. has done, i should say, is justice in a wrote having a bureaucrat was asked to come out he was happily in retirement. of retirement because of trial. experience in ukraine and work. already having ripple effects. it s a pbs special for me. he agonized over the decision everybody in that region is i can see that maybe during this was someone hand picked by the clinton but when there is the state department, mike and he wrote in his opening pompeo, who s loyal to president recalibrating. trump. statement. his wife voted against it. i was at an event here in concern that a real crime has arguably the president s most he was happily in retirement. been committed and foreign loyal cabinet member and trusted washington yesterday where two policy is being used this was not a radically ambassadors from that region inappropriately and people s cabinet member. lives are hanging in the he says in his testimony he said we saw you in your spoke to an unnamed republican questioning of ambassador balance, how do you not impeach? mentor who said to him if you unelected bureaucrat. feel like you can serve the he was hand picked by mike jeffrey and you re absolutely right, why should we fight along well, it s great, if it s going to work. country even if you have if you re going to throw the side the united states if you re president out, if that s misgivings you should do so, and pompeo. and he says you should do to going to abandon us when you re effective, great, do it, but if he went, and he s provided the finished with us. it s going to wind up with the republicans not throwing him most vivid accounting yet of out, it s going to be what happened and potentially senator menedez, turkey, a the most damning tale. ineffective and it s going to look like it s going to look under oath. and now the ball certainly member of nato, yesterday in like political insider goes to republicans to say how sochi, president putin meets him weaseling, instead of dealing do you react to this? with what the country wants to it s interesting, mika, when you read the testimony and you and he s provided the most vivid deal with. and i think that just makes us and they carve up the territory. think about what was in the so the question now is turkey, look like squr testimony, what is in the account and now the ball goes to are they an ally? testimony, does it fit under the republicans, how do you react to if not, what are they? definition of bribery or i think they re a real the danger. that s the danger. it makes the elitists look like they don t care about anything extortion? it s a good question. challenge. but the machinations of they re everything that we government. i mean, it s pressure, and these aspire to turkey, the bridge who are the elitist? you have ten seconds to people are in the fight for between east and west, strong answer. i talk about the intellectual their lives. this? it s incredible. does it fit under the nato allies, secular country has elite versus the boat elite, and to clearly make it so people who care about ideas definition of bribery or that lives were on the line. gone the wrong way and that s versus people who care about extortion? it s a good question. money. and i think we re in a fight it s pressure. why i and the chairman deal with that s the difference. these people are in the fight ukrainians could die. that s the first time we ve for their lives. that was called the circulation heard that. it s incredible. of the elites. but i think we re in a fight he described that scene as and to clearly make it so between people who i call the looking over a bridge at russian that lives are on the line. boat people, because there s soldiers at the disputed nothing worse than someone that owns a boat, and the people who territory and thinking more ukrainians could die because of i call the intellectual elite. this. it s so staggering and really fascinating conversation. i do not have a boat, so makes you take into account everything this president has this. of course. said. he s serious, he means it, and e and the reality is for those you re good. that say well we want to try to do you have a boat? actually you do! i was just given a boat. h it makes you take into account he doesn t care if lives are on everything this president has i m sorry. is that bad? the line. this has been proven, and by the said. he s serious. preserve turkey s relationship oh, no. did you hit it with a champagne way, which is the white house s he means it. account of what happened in the and he doesn t care if lives are in violation of u.s. law, that s bottle? something that i call that, no. good, okay. it s a pun. very first memo that the white on the line. you guys are the worst. house put out, and their only here s the name, top of the this has been proven and by the turkey was sitting with iran and rock. way, this is the white house s russia going back to the oh there you go. defense at this point given so many things that are on the all right, that does it for us account of what happened in the this morning. so disappointed. very first memo that the white meetings about the future of record and so many people who are going on the record is to stephanie ruhle picks up house put out and their only syria. coverage right now. thanks so much, mika. say, yeah, get over it. defense at this point given so turkey has been increasing with hi, there. i m stephanie ruhle, and this the question is can america get many things on the record and so russia and we shouldn t be morning i am just down the road over a president potentially committing a crime in office and worried about the quote unquote concern about pushing turkey from a very busy capitol hill. shaking down another foreign many people going on the record it is wednesday, october 23rd, is saying yeah get over it and into russia s arms and the deal and let me tell you, there is a leader for his own political the question is can america get lot happening. we start with the white house over a president potentially committing a crime in office and yesterday just showed the lashing out at acting ambassador gain. is that who we want to be? continuing concerns about the to ukraine bill taylor after he more on the white house shaking down another foreign statement calling bill taylor a betrayal of our foreign policy delivered some of the most radical unelected bureaucrat. leader for his own political to russia. let s take a look at taylor s i don t want to depend upon damning testimony against gain. is that who we want to be? russia for the national interest president trump yet. career. he s a graduate of both west still ahead on morning joe, and security of the united taylor told lawmakers that president trump informed point and harvard university s we ll talk about exactly who kennedy school of government. states. diplomats like gordon sondland he served for six years as an ambassador bill taylor is and good morning. i m ticking off who won with that ukraine would not get why his testimony should be army infantry officer including taken seriously by lawmakers and this syrian policy the president military aid until president with the 101st airborne in the white house. zelensky did what he wanted. you re watching morning joe. we ll be right back. use. you re watching morning joe. we ll be right back. (contemplative synth music) enacted. iran won, russia won, the war the dictionary the dictionary vietnam. he is among the country s most calls that kind criminal assad won, turkey won, experienced diplomats with a i m trying to figure out from career that spans nearly 50 this deal maker that he calls years serving in every himself in the white house, what did we get out of this? administration republican and democrat since president ronald reagan. he was appointed by president george w. bush in 2006 to serve as ambassador to ukraine and what did he extract in return served under both bush and for this victory. president obama. isis clearly won. after decades of service in is there any upside to this - [narrator] forget about vacuuming for up to a month. government, taylor left and was shark iq robot deep-cleans and empties itself serving as the executive vice decision that eluded all of us that you can see? into a base you can empty once a month. president of the united states and unlike standard robots that bounce around, institute of peace in washington. when he was called back after it cleans row by row. if it s not a shark, it s just a robot. marie yovanovitch was ousted no, we didn t win anything. from her position as ambassador ( ) the president won an applause line and that s what is driving to ukraine in may. and as willie mentioned he was him in his decision making. only tylenol® rapid release gels recommended to secretary mike have laser drilled holes. here s one of the biggest pompeo for that role by kurt they release medicine fast, challenges that we have. volker, the state department s for fast pain relief. the department of defense, i recently departed special envoy tylenol®. said that at the meeting at the for ukraine. white house. let s bring in national security there are 14 to 18,000 isis fighters still fighting in the expert columnist at usa today region and particularly in and author of the book the syria. you have another 10,000 that were detained by the kurds. death of expertise tom nichols. if the kurds have to worry about where are we in the ukraine scandal, especially after the fighting for their own lives testimony by ambassador taylor? they re not going to be protecting and detaining the what s left now to find out? 10,000 isis fighters and if they get released now you have a how many more times can we so i kept it in. fighting core of nearly 30,000 he started believing things that weren t true. isis fighters. affirm that everything that we that s a clear and present think happened is exactly what danger to the united states. happened? the president wanted one of that s a big loss. husband political opponents during the course of their disease around 50% of people with parkinson s investigated. he held up money that had been may experience hallucinations or delusions. appropriated by the congress of the united states for a specific but now, doctors are prescribing nuplazid. purpose, and tried to shake down the only fda approved medicine. thank you for coming on the a foreign government to get what road this morning. proven to significantly reduce walter, if you were walking into he needed for his political your history class and had to hallucinations and delusions related to parkinson s. teach what this moment was all about, what would you say? fortune. clear abuse of power, clear don t take nuplazid if you are allergic to its ingredients. elevating of the national of nuplazid can increase the risk of death first of all, all roads lead the president s personal in elderly people with dementia-related psychosis to russia when it comes to interests above the national and is not for treating symptoms interests. clearly endangering a friendly unrelated to parkinson s disease. donald trump. country, a partner holding the everything he has done helps nuplazid can cause changes in heart rhythm russia. starts with him getting funding and should not be taken if you have certain from russia with the elections line against russia. abnormal heart rhythms or take other drugs but now we see him allowing at this point, how many more that are known to cause changes in heart rhythm. russia to carve up parts of times can esteemed, respected, tell your doctor about any changes in medicines you re taking. experienced diplomats come the most common side effects are forward and tell us that exactly swelling of the arms and legs and confusion. what we think happened is we spoke up and it made all the difference. ask your parkinson s specialist exactly what happened? syria and ukraine is at war with i think we re, you know, i think about nuplazid. the story s clear. russias that have invaded and we i think at this point we re just going to get additional details withheld money and used it that are just going to confirm what we already knew, and i think we are well, well into people talk about quid quo pro impeachable territory. david ignatius, as you read but it s a corruption and use of this 15-page opening statement, this document, and we haven t this money as a bribery and if i even seen the question-and-answer session. he was in there for nine and a half hours yesterday, it s clear how experienced he is, first of all, and the level of detail that is in here speaks to his were nancy pelosi i d say this note taking and his collection is a turning point we have heard of documents because he knew something wasn t right, and he wanted to have a paper trail to this seat? enough. we re going to go on the floor explain in this very moment this seat is reserved and have a vote to have an yesterday, but it does speak to, for the restless. official movement to formal does it not, the sloppiness or those who need to move. the arrogance or some impeachment process and say hey, and roar. and ride. this just happened. combination of this administration of this shadow up, down, over. foreign policy that they thought powering through. they could roll over bill taylor we don t need to hear too much more before we have to vote for and he just wouldn t say this seat is for those that get down in it. an impeachment process to begin. anything. he d go along for the ride. into the fray. the arena. they learned yesterday over almost ten hours of testimony he this seat is not for spectators. on queue the president is gladiator tweeting about this subject. wouldn t. ( ) he was there watching, obviously the consummate missions have ended. professional, and as he realizes gladiator kurds are safely and nice to us. what s going on, he begins beyond the routine checkups. trying to say to people stop beyond the not-so-routine cases. this. there s a text that he wrote to this goes into the idea of just comcast business is helping doctors the isis prisoners itself flies gordon sondland who s the provide care in whole new ways. in the face of the testimony political appointee, who s the that we heard yesterday. e.u. ambassador, one of the all working with a new generation of technologies that special envoy he said that part of the regular channel as powered by our gig-speed network. dozens of isis fighters were taylor puts it that s really because beyond technology. there is human ingenuity. unaccounted for. controlling policy, and he says the defense secretary put that number at hundreds when he spoke about it a few days ago. it s crazy to condition our every day, comcast business is helping businesses he suggested that it was less of go beyond the expected. military assistance, 391 million to do the extraordinary. in assistance for an ally take your business beyond. fighting russia on russia on a situation because they would political favors. be heading to europe suggesting that s crazy. later he writes directly to that s your problem and not ours. they re not safe right now. or happy with this secretary of state mike pompeo, he says this policy you re arrangement also there was an conducting is folly. that s the word, he speaks out, interview with the secretary of quiet man as we ve seen. he speaks out and says this is folly. one of the questions i have this defense in which they said the morning is where s mike pompeo? yes. that is a huge question. the person he appointed to foll following so right now we have not seen the big prison break we all expected. in other words, as a result for take this job, to oversee the policy of stepping aside, we all expected a huge prison break ukraine, a country involved in a of isis fighters and yet we deadly battle with russia, proceeded anyway and using that where s the guy who appointed him? why doesn t he have anything to to be down to well over 100 or say? secretary pompeo, when he so so that s good news to us. gets asked about this, he says i m not talking about hypotheticals. david ignatius, this is not a the focus that you have is on more on the white house the independents that were hypothetical. the guy he appointed now has an statement calling bill taylor a radical unelected bureaucrat. tallied here. yeah. the independents by a big margin incredible detailed story of how let s take a look at his career. this quote, drug deal went down now favor removal. he s a graduate of westpoint and so to speak. i mean, this is not a harvard universities kennedy school of government that served for six years as an army this sy achange. infantry officer including with hypothetical. he has to answer questions at the vietnam. some point to the reality that happened on his watch, doesn t he is among the country s most he? so mika, i think this is mike experienced diplomats with a career that spans nearly 50 that s never been the case pompeo s profile in courage years serving in every moment. either he steps up and tells the before. what you saw first was a climb in the numbers for the inquiry truth. he obviously has been concerned administration republican and and now a climb in the numbers about this for months, that for removal and that is a pretty big number if you look for the comes through, or he does what democrat since president ronald reagan. he was appointed by president he s so often done, retreats and independents and what s going on waits if the preside for the bush in 2006 to serve as and by the way, inside that poll ambassador in ukraine and served also, 31% of the republicans under both bush and president obama. after decades of service in president to make up his mind and tries to be loyal to trump. now for mike pompeo it s not government, taylor left and was disapproved of his syrian going to be possible to do both, serving as the executive vice and i think there s going to be focus on him. president of the united states what did he do? institute of peace in what did he say, what did he washington. think now? when he was called back after decision. another focus will be on that s the highest number of disapproval for anything he has republicans who have been she was ousted from her position done in office. defending president trump him making this decision he may throughout all of this. let s bring in nbc news as ambassador of ukraine in may correspondent garrett haake. have thought it was going to be and as willie mentioned he was a great distraction but frankly, i wonder if you saw anything on capitol hill yesterday, you were there all day. the first thing that s really was there any initial reaction, recommended to secretary mike hurt him in his base. and what are you expecting pompeo for that role by the what do you make of we re state department s recently following these polls weekly and today? the reaction all day was so departed special envoy for there s a growing support it s ukraine. let s bring in national security fair to say in most polls by 205 striking, first from democrats expert columnist at usa today coming out of the room looking shaken. and author of the book the death this is not the testimony they were expecting even from a star of expertise, tom nichols. points for impeachment and then witness, and then throughout the also for removal from office. course of the day, watching these numbers are not going down. they re going up. republican talking points shift, at this point, where are we in attitudes shift on this whole thing. i started to hear from more the ukraine scandal? especially after the testimony republicans things like, well, by ambassador taylor. could it have really been a quid how many more times can we pro quo if the ukrainians didn t know why the aid was being withheld essentially moving the you talked about secretary goal post throughout the course of the day in response to what affirm that everything happened is exactly what happened. pompeo earlier in this show. he understands history well and they had heard from the taylor cares about it. and the white house statement he held up money that had been was the capstone on all of this appropriated by the congress of going back into the mueller bag the united states for a specific of tricks ask smearing their own foreign service officers. purpose and and tried to shake we ve been hearing more and more all the way up to george schultz of this over the last several down a foreign government to get days, republicans not trying to what he needed for his political and baker in the state push back at all on the department. he knows his picture is going to fortune. clear abuse of power. substance of what they re be there some day. hearing in these closed door clear elevating of the he has to stand up for national of the president s ambassador bill taylor, the depositions but really just personal interest above the hammering the process, going person he put there and say we back to the clinton impeachment national interest. play book saying this is an clearly endangering a friendly unfair process. it s being done behind closed doors, it doesn t count shouldn t have had this weird, essentially but not addressing the substance of this. to me the most interesting wacky, all of these weird people that don t know what they re doing trying to undermine a underplayed soundbite all day yesterday was mitch mcconnell bipartisan basic tenant of being asked to comment on this country. how many more times can they american foreign policy which is and being read essentially that come forward and tell us that we support the ukrainians just , tweet from donald trump saying oh, mitch mcconnell said this exactly what we think happened is exactly what happened? was a perfect phone call, and mcconnell saying i don t remember having any conversation with the president about this. you are seeing republicans back away from this not knowing how to respond and clearly very at this point we re girm what wd uncomfortable following the white house s lead in smearing we re well into impeachment career foreign service officers. territory. as you read this 15 page i ll be very curious to see if the jim jordans and mark meadows opening statement and the level and other more reliable defenders of the president come to play today with a new defense here or if they follow the white house s lead and go that route. of detail speaks to his note dwyou anticipated my questio taking and collection of which is the approach some of documents. these republicans are taking. he knew something wasn t right and he wanted to have a paper it seems to be about process. trail to explain in this very they didn t want to talk about moment yesterday. the content of bill taylor s but it does speak to the testimony that the public all saw, but steve scalise, for sloppiness or arrogance of this example, the minority whip in administration of this shadow the house who has been a foreign policy that they thought defender of president trump was they could rollover bill taylor out re-tweeting saying the and he just wouldn t say anything. impeachment process literally being conducted in the basement he would go along for the ride. we learned yesterday after over behind closed doors to keep you the people from seeing what s 10 hours of testimony that he wouldn t. he was there watching and he happened. they even had a hashtag and everything else. the argument seems to be this is happening in secret, except there are republicans in the room. can you explain what the hearings look like? sure, these do happen in a secure room downstairs. begins trying to say to people, it s a small room. when congress is back, when all stop this. three committees that are doing there s a text he wrote to the this, when these folks could all political appointee and eu be in the room, it becomes a standing room only situation, so ambassador part of one of the a lot of members come in and out throughout the course of the day regular channel that s controlling policy and he says and, yes, staff conducts the it s crazy to condition our majority of these interviews, but members are allowed to ask military assistance and he says questions. republican and democratic members, and based on the rules of this, members are not supposed to come out and talk to us very much about what they are seeing and hearing in the room, but of course this is congress. that s crazy and he doesn t get everybody talks about an answer. later he writes to mike pompeo. everything, so we get little bits and pieces of what s going on in the room. he says this policy that you re if there were leaks that were conducting is folly. he speaks out. beneficial to the president s quite man as we have seen. he speaks out and says this is argument, we would hear those as well. i talk to just as many folly. one of the questions i had this republican members as i do morning is where is mike pompeo. democratic members on most days, and we are not hearing leaks of that s a huge question. the person he appointed to favorable investigation from the republicans who sit in these rooms day after day. take this job, where is the guy we are hearing these process complaints. look, there may be some political value to that. this is a tried and true tactic. it worked for bill clinton s defender 20 years ago. to say the process is unfair, that appointed him? why doesn t he have anything to this is over zealous, a. say? secretary pompeo, when he gets asked about this he says adam schiff and the deep state i m not talking about and all these actors who they see as on this never ending hypotheticals. this is not a hypothetical. the guy he appointed now has an quest to get president trump, but there has been no factual incredible detailed story about how this quote drug deal went counter narrative presented about why what the president did or didn t do is okay. that has not emerged at all from down so to speak. this is not a hypothetical. these rooms or from the republicans who sit in them all he has to answer questions to day. the reality that happened on his garrett haake thank you so much. what a day on capitol hill, and watch. doesn t he? so i think this is mike of course we saw the president true to form yesterday. pompeo s profile in courage often when things get really bad moment. either he steps up and tells the truth. he has obviously been concerned and information appears to put about this for months. him in a terrible position, he or he does what he has so often loves to distract with just a little dose of racism for the does and retreats and waits for country, and his tweet using the the president to make up his mind and tries to be loyal to totally terrible and inappropriate word lynching drew a lot of reaction, and then people were bringing up other trump now it s not going to be times that people very inappropriately used the word. possible to do it. what did he do? it s all a distraction. what did he think? we know he watches, not falling for it, good try. more than half of americans it s what you do, and at this say president trump should be impeached. what are republican lawmakers point it s not going to work. we ll talk about it, but we re thinking? that discussion and the new not going to be distracted. polling next on morning joe. d t still ahead on morning joe, a polling next on morning joe. new poll just came out that shows support for impeachment has hit a new high. we ll dig into those numbers, plus, ambassador bill taylor wasn t the only one testifying before lawmakers yesterday. the u.s. envoy to syria was also on capitol hill. what he told lawmakers about the impact of turkey s offensive in northeast syria. but first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. got a little bit of everything today. wi we have a fire threat. we re going to have snow tonight and we have rainy weather exiting the northeast. boston still an umbrella morning f for you. we re all done in hartford. it looks like providence is just about finished. new york city you re dry after that overnight rain too. how are we looking this afternoon, beautiful weather from the ohio valley, detroit, cleveland, pittsburgh, d.c. is looking great, sunny and 66. a perfect fall afternoon. - [narrator] do you remember that day? 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are they going to start making because beyond technology. there is human ingenuity. their own political calculations as the calendar begins to approach 20? every day, comcast business is helping businesses the interesting thing of course is when you look at the go beyond the expected. national poll and you get half to do the extraordinary. of the country thinking about take your business beyond. impeachment, that s not the republican base and what s really clear, the first segment we asked where is pompeo and why is the white house going with these kind of stories about radical bureaucrats. they re playing to the base. they think their firewall against impeachment is that the base will keep the republican elected officials so terrified that they won t go far enough, that they won t support the impeachment of the president and that they won t vote to convict and remove him but at some point, even the republicans have to start thinking about the degree to which the president is a liability and whether they re let s take a look at these better off without him. we saw this in the nixon polls at 28 past the hour, a live look at washington, d.c. the sun has yet to come up. impeachment that all the republicans were going right to but over half of americans say the wall for the president right they approve of the house up until the minute t month of democrats impeachment inquiry into president trump. according to a new quinnipiac university poll out this morning, 55% of americans approve of the impeachment inquiry. that s up four points since just last week, and that is the highest level in quinnipiac polling. 43% say they disapprove, down two, and 48% say they believe president trump should be impeached and removed from office. also up two points, 46% said they disagreed down two. jonathan lemire what do you think? that s basically about half the country that say the president should be removed. we re seeing a steady rise in these polls crass the boaacross including in fox news and other places where we see more and more americans believe, certainly at the very least this inquiry is valid and should be purs pursued. now we re seeing rising numbers of people who think this should be perhaps the end of this presidency. tom, let me get you in on this. what do you think this matters for the what do you think these polls marritter for perha the constituents who matter most, republicans, particularly those in congress in the senate, are they looking at these numbers, are they going to start making their own political calculations as the counter begins to approach 2020? the interesting thing when you look at the national poll and you get about half of the country thinking about impeachment, that s not the republican base, and what s really clear, you know, the first segment we asked where s pompeo and why is the white house going with these kind of stories about radical bureauc t bureaucra bureaucrats? they re playing to the base. they think their firewall against impeachment is that the base will keep the republican elected officials so terrified that they won t go far enough, that they won t support the impeachment of the president and that they certainly won t vote to convict and remove him. at some point even the republicans have to start thinking about the degree to which the president is a liability and whether they re better off without him. we saw this, you know, back in the nixon impeachment that all of the republicans were going right to the wall for the president right up to the minute they weren t. what s interesting about those numbers as well is that trump has managed to get to where nixon was literally within about a month of resigning the presidency. i still think that the impeachment numbers are always going to reflect the approval numbers, and the approval numbers probably have a floor somewhere in the high 30s because of the nature of the trump movement, so you may not see i keep saying that the democrats ought to move forward because you just may not see numbers change all that much beyond this unless, again, of course, you never know. the president can always make those numbers move by doing yet something else impeachable or admitting to another crime. i understand we re talking about politics. i understand politicians are going to put their finger in the wind and look at polls before they decide what they re going to do or support, but they could just read the 15 pages, too frrks bill taylor and put it together with the whistle-blower report and the summary of the phone call between president trump and president zelensky and the text messages we saw. you maybe shouldn t have to wait for a poll to tell you that something isn t right here. you know, all of that presupposes, willie, that we have a majority of statesmen and women in the congress, that we have people of character who aren t simply interested in their own professional well bei being, and who are actually committed to the country and the country s well being and the state of our democracy. what we ve seen over the course of these two-plus years that we have in some ways a deficit of leadership, a deficit of character, a deficit of decency in the country and particularly in washington, d.c. it s not simply the 15-page report. it s the transcript. it s the whistle-blower. the evidence is in plain sight. i m not hopeful that we will see politicians morph into statesmen and women. well, but the public might help with that when you look at these polls, it s certainly definitely i mean, president trump was following those polls throughout that entire election he went through. he must be looking at them now, but others would be members of congress, republicans looking at where the sentiment lies with what has happened in this white house. you never know what could happen. eddie is right in those trump districts, those red districts, he still enjoys huge support, president trump, including on the question of impeachment so they re not compelled to move. and those republican lawmakers fear the consequences. they know if they speak out against him, it s not just a tweet. let s say we do advance this into an impeachment, into a senate as republican who speaks out against the president, the make america great again primary challenger is announced the next day with the president s full backing. you know, it s interesting, at least to me andwere around then covering it. there was an element of character that came to the fore, came to the front slowly among the watergate hearings. i mean, you had very reluctant republican members of congress both the senate and the house, they came forward. they weren t being pushed. weren t being urged. they came forward. all right, coming up, after deciding to pull u.s. troops from syria, president trump abruptly turned his focus on securing oil in the region. i don t think it s necessary other than that we secure the oil in a little different section, but we secure the oil. keep the oil, we want to keep the oil. so what prompted the oil rush? nbc news has new reporting on the republican allies including a fox news analyst who urged trump to rethink his decision twice. morning joe will be right back. 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what is the mission here? are troops staying or going? if so, what are they supposed to be doing there? is this now about just guarding oil fields, and second, it was it just left some people scratching their heads, where did this come from? it seemed to come out of nowhere. it turns out that on october 8th, retired general jack keane went to the white house and showed the president this map and said, look, here s where all of these oil fields are, two-thirds of the oil fields in syria are in places where u.s. troops are deployed, and if you pull everybody out, iran s going to come in there and take these oil fields. he felt like he had gotten somewhere and made some headway but he didn t. he came back a week later with lindsey graham and he went through this exercise again. the idea is to break things down with visuals, not necessarily military terms, and we learned that basically everyone around the president his national security team has had these maps since he came into office and would routinely show them to him when he wants to withdraw troops from syria and talk him back from doing that. that obviously didn t happen until after he already made this decision. i think the question now is whether this is going to sting. really don t have any clarity on whether troops are going to stay there, if so, how many for how long, and so those are questions that the president s going to have to answer in coming days. wow, yesterday the deal expired between the united states and turkey for turkey to pause its advance into syria, and in that void, the washington post reports russia and turkey agreed yesterday to a plan to push syrian kurdish fighters from a wide swath of territory just south of turkey s border. according to the post, the agreement will leave turkey and russia in control of territory formerly held by kurdish forces once allied with the u.s. the post points out that the deal bolsters russia s preferred end game in syria s civil war by allowing its ally, syrian president bashar al assad to gain control over more of his country s territory. russia is also prodding states in the region to recognize the syrian government s authority. willie, it always ends up with putin. there it is. david ignatius, you can come through that story. i wanted to ask you about the focus for the white house and specifically for president trump about oil. the defense secretary esper said yesterday we re going to have a small contingent of u.s. troops stay behind in syria to work with the kurds on securing the oil. what are they talking about, and what do you make of that objective? let me start with russia moving in. they have quite literally taken the space th, the positions eve that the united states was holding. the russians have negotiated a new cease fire deal with turkey. russian troops will be making joint patrols with turkish troops as the u.s. was doing until things blew up with trump s decision to let the turks invade. the russians are negotiating with the kurds to arrange the where the kurdish troops will be, so they re really playing all the levers here. essentially they ve taken over the structure the u.s. had built in northeast syria and are now owning it and running it. on this question of the oil, i ve heard lindsey graham make this argument, the oil is the strategic leverage point. i ve been to those oil fields into my trips into syria in the east. my fear is that we re turning u.s. troops into a militia that holds bargaining chips as opposed to a real military force. the idea that the kurds after we have betrayed them will have leverage to deal with syria simply because u.s. troops are holding these oil fields strikes me as farfetched. that s the kind of thing russian li militias have tried to do in that part of syria to get 25% of the takes for oil fields. not an appropriate role for u.s. troops. the saddest thing for me yesterday about syria was hearing our special envoy jim jeffrey testifying before the senate. he was asked by senator menendez, were you consulted about president trump s sudden decision to withdraw these troops. jeffrey just says flatly i was not consulted. our special envoy was not koun su consulted. david ignatius just pointed his finger on a salient point in all of this, the sadness of it all. the sadness of seeing the united states retreating from northern syria, being pelted vehicles being pelted by potatoes, the president of the united states saying don t worry about it. it was only 28 troops on the ground being removed, which is ab su absolutely not true, and now we may keep a residual force there to save the oil fields which is incomprehensible to many military people. your thoughts on the sadness aspect of what has happened to the united states in this region? even if you take into account the shame of, you know, people pelting our vehicles with fruit and rocks, the fact that our allies are coming under attack, the fact that the russians are now going to gain a foothold, that we re now on the outs with a turkish ally that has been part of our alliance system for a half century, at the bottom of it all, you come to the realization that it s for no reason at all, that there was no strategic reason whatsoever to do this. all of this is happening because the president got on the phone and didn t know what he was doing because he is unbriefable, he doesn t listen to anyone. if someone calls him and says this is what i want, then that s what he does. that s really that amplifies the sadness that people are going to get hurt. america has been shamed, that we are in retreat. the russians are on the march. we re on the outs with an ally, and for what? for nothing. simply because the president of the united states has no idea what he s doing, doesn t understand geopolitics, doesn t care about our alliances. so i think, i feel the same sadness mike is talking about, but i think there s an anger underneath it for me that all of this tragedy is taking place inkprens bli fcomprehensibly fo reason at all. carol, lindsey graham has played a fascinating role with the saga with the president. they were campaign foes turned close allies. senator graham is willing to break with him on a few issues, namely immigration and this foreign policy matter. do you sense that graham feels like this is a small victory or is he going to try to push more? we know he s been out there time and again very critical of the president s stance here in syria. do you think that he is going to try to revisit this to try to get him to change back further? is there any sense the president would be willing to give another inch here? it s not exactly clear how they could change back further than where they are now given how quickly things have unravelled in syria and the vacuum that s been filled by the u.s. pulling back a little bit. our sense was that senator graham and jack keane felt like they had made some headway with the president and at least could get were on the road to getting him to agree to keep some sort of u.s. presence there. the map and the oil fields are kind of they re not insignificant but they re just a tool for basically people to use who want the president to maintain some sort of u.s. influence and leverage in this area rather than pull completely out. so the oil fields are something that the president understands. it s his language. it s money, and that sort of thing. so you know, to the extent that tha they ve made headway with him on that, they feel good about it. this is a president that you know as well as anybody changes his mind on a dime, and there s really not any full reassurance he s going to stick with this plan as you saw from his remarks this week. it s really all over the place, and no one has full clarity about what the policy is and what the troop levels are going to be and for how long and what the mission is. this is an incredible time. it s hard to take it all in. nbc s carol lee, thank you. we ll be reading your new reporting, it s incredible at nbcnews.com. coming up, jon padoret said yesterday was the day that ensured donald trump s impeachment. we ll read from his piece entitled trump will be impeached ahead on morning joe. great weather, great friends. you just saved a bunch of money by switching your boat insurance to geico. it was easy. folks, can it get any better than this? 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i think for a while now i thought the progressive side of the party have a problem because i think there are gettable votes in those areas, and i don t think there s any point in trying to convert trump voters because i think there you re dealing, you know, with a pretty steadfast group of voters. on the other hand, i think there are people who might have been inclined to stay home who could come out to register their displeasure if the democrats don t scare them off on other issues. i think if the democrats play this as a matter of kitchen table issues and quality of life and are you better off than you were four years ago, and also, are you tired? i think one of the places where these meshes is that the president s antics are a little more tolerable if you think things are going well. it is easier to kind of wave it away and say well, the economy s good. i know he does crazy stuff, but if the economy starts to sink, then the president s antics, i think for ha smathat small grou people could become a deciding factor if the democrats don t scare them off. tom nichols, that you think so much. coming up member of the house intelligence and judiciary committees, congressman ek swalwell joins us. plus, the u.s. envoy to syria was also on capitol hill yesterday, senator bob menendez will be here to discuss the foreign relations committee assessment of the impact of turkey s military offensive. morning joe is back in a moment. ce asking me, is your daughter ok? 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lawmakers yesterday. according to politico, two sources in the room for taylor s closed door testimony say there were sighs and gasps when taylor read his opening statement. taylor told members of congress that the president directed officials to the foreign aid money to demands that ukraine open an investigation into the biden family. in his 15-page opening statement, taylor said trump insisted that president zelensky go to a microphone and say he is opening investigations of biden and 2016 election interference and that president zelensky should want to do this himself. taylor said that e.u. ambassador gordon sondland told him everything was dependent on zelensky making a public statement including security assistance. in his testimony, taylor called it a confusing and unusual arrangement for making u.s. policy toward ukraine: taylor told lawmakers that sondland tried to explain how president trump was approaching the matter like a businessman saying when a businessman is about to sign a check to someone who owes him something, he said the businessman asks that person to pay up before signing the check. when sondland testified before house investigators last week he said he didn t recall any discussions with anyone at the state department or the white house about investigating the bidens.caskill, this is, you know, i think it was tom earlier who brought up like how much direct line to president trump and a direct connection with a quid pro quo. there s a couple of things here. first of all, the whistle-blower is now irrelevant. we can quit talking about who it is or where they worked or the identity because now there is multiple first person sources of what was going on. starting with the white house memo itself. starting with the summary of the call itself, and then you add on giuliani s statements, you add on sondland s statements, you add on mulvaney s statements. now you add on bill taylor s statements, so let s forget about that. the other thing that s really bugging me right now is these republicans are all talking process, that this is a secret proceeding. america, the republicans are in the room. they are there listening to all of this testimony. they are asking questions. this is not being hidden from the republicans on capitol hill. they have access to all this information, and eventually the public will too once it gets passed the investigative portion. claire, the white house is saying their defense at this point, and even mick mulvaney kind of, you know, really stepped in it, but he did it, too, get over it. this is what we do. what s wrong with it? is this a crime? it is a crime. it is a crime to shake down a foreign government for your political purposes, and this is a classic shakedown. as somebody who prosecuted shakedown, this is a pry na fascia case has more than been made. it is time to take it to the jury which is the senate, and shame on republican senators if they try to smear this man. this is a west point grad, a veteran, and the republican senators know it. so if they try to smear this guy, they really should have trouble sleeping at night. and you see they haven t attacked him at all in the content. it s all been from steve scalise and others. this is happening in the basement of the capitol as if that has something to do with it. jeremy bash, the white house talked yesterday in a statement about a radical unelected bureaucrat, apparently referring to ambassador taylor. ambassador taylor was pulled out of retirement by secretary of state mike pompeo back in may. so the radical unelected bureaucrat is someone hand picked by this administration to come back and run ukraine because of his experience in that country. if you read through his statement, there is an explicit quid pro quo. we don t have to dance around this. what did you see in that testimony yesterday, at least the part of what we heard? because he was in there for nine and a half hours. all we have right now is his opening statement. we re talking about a west point grad, someone who served in the 101st airborne in vietnam, served in the army. served every republican and democratic administration since 1985 and was hand picked by the trump administration, by secretary pompeo to lead our efforts in ukraine, and now here he comes with a shocking set of facts. the one fact that really jumped out to me. we knew that on september 1st, 2019, a sunday, ambassador taylor sent a text message to ambassador sondland saying are we now conditioning security assistance on these nef investigations, and sondland famously said call me. when they did call each other sondland said i was wrong ambassador taylor. i had previously told the ukrainians that only a white house visit was contingent on them doing these investigations. i was mistaken. from the president i m now told that everything is on the table including the security assistance. that is clear, direct, firsthand evidence that the president was demanding a quid pro quo. peter baker you re on the front page of the new york times again this morning with the news analysis and the sub head is damning testimony raises the stakes of impeachment. so now that ambassador taylor has spoken and we have seen his opening statement, what s your sense, where do the republicans go from here from denial in the past, what do they do? do they go to explanations? excuses? where do they go? well, one of the this i thinks that bill taylor s testimony does that we hadn t really heard up until now is put the real world consequences on the table. he s the ambassador, or the acting ambassador on the ground there. he describes being at the war damaged bridge in eastern ukraine where he could see the russian-backed separatists on the other side and really feel up close the consequences of the war that has been waged for five years by russia, and his point to the house investigators yesterday was there s real consequences here. if watergate and the monica lewinsky scandals were about our system of government, our system of justice and the integrity of them, this is actually about not just those issues but also issues of life and death on the ground. he said if the aid that was being held up in his view at the very least to leverage ukrainian cooperation with the president s political needs was withheld from ukrainians that ukrainians would die as a result. that makes it harder for republicans. republicans have been outspoken in their support for ukraine against russian aggression. they have been outspoken in saying the united states needs to do more to help defend the ukrainian, you know, integrity of their country, and therefore he has put this on the table for them saying, well, this is what happens when you withhold aid for domestic political purposes. jeremy bash, peter baker you heard him use the phrase life and death on the ground. you heard him use the word integrity. you ve worked at both shops, the pentagon and the cia, the integrity of those two places in dealing with any ambassador around the world is a constant. it s part of the everyday process of representing the united states overassesseas. what kind of damage does this do to like d.o.d. and the cia, intelligence and military? those military and intelligence officers that you ve referenced are duty bound. they and they swear an oath to the constitution to defend our nati forward into harm s way to do this day in day out. we don t even talk about it much in the media. these people are on the front lines, and the idea that we would sacrifice our interests and that people would die, our friends would die, the ukrainians would suffer casualty, would suffer losses as ambassador taylor so starkly reminded us yesterday because donald trump wanted a political favor or help in his 2020 re-election? that is the ultimate abrogation of national security. that is the ultimate abuse of power and undermining of american security and influence in the world. claire, among the many things that bill taylor provided us with yesterday was an explanation from the inside about what investigations meant. the white house said we wanted corruption broadly, we were very worried about corruption. in this opening statement taylor said i had come to understand well before then when the call was released, the summary of the call, that investigations was a term ambassadors volker and sondland meant matters relating to the 2016 elections and to investigations of burisma and the bidens. he wasn t made aware of the phone call between the president of ukraine and the president of the united states. didn t know about that until it was made public. more broadly in the inside he knew what investigations meant. it meant look into a conspiracy theory about the 2016 election and the biden family. 100% political. 100% the personal agenda of the president of the united states. bill taylor realized at those moments that people in ukraine were going to die at the hands of putin because the president of the united states was manipulating the appropriations process, money that had been approved by congress, widely supported on a bipartisan basis in order to further his political agenda. the interesting thing about bill taylor, i think if i was presenting this case as a prosecutor to the senate, bill taylor would be one of the most important witnesses because he does have such bona fides as a bipartisan broke in this. and secondly, he took copious notes contemporaneously. there are exceptions to the hearsay rule that included recorded recollections in some instances. so many of these notes could, in fact, come into evidence in court because he made a habit of doing that, and therefore they re considered more reliable by courts. so he is really someone who has strength not only in what he knows but the way in which he gathered the information contemporaneously with the time all these things were going on. there is no way men and women of good faith can listen to this testimony and look at his recorded notes and believe that this is some kind of conspiracy to smear the president. i challenge my republican colleagues to say that with a straight face. it s fascinating. in his latest piece for commentary, trump will be impeached, john podhoretz argues that a ambassador s testimony seals the deal. ambassador sondland said everything was dependent on such an announcement including security assistance. it comes from testimony of a acting ambassador to the ukraine bill taylor and instantly makes all but impossible the task of anyone seeking to defend trump against the charge that he held up military aid to ukraine to secure a political advantage in the 2020 election unless trump and sondland deny this and offer evidence that taylor is wrong or lying, we now have contemporaneous confirmation that the president intended to hold up military aid to the ewi ukrainians to secure domestic political advantage, that s the ball game, whether what trump does obliges the senate to remove him from the presidency will be up to republicans in the senate to decide at the trial that will follow what i think is now inevitable impeachment. the fact that the aid to ukraine has, in fact, gone through despite trump s illegitimate temporary suspension may be the straw the gop will grasp to prevent his conviction in that trial, but that s no defense of trump s actions. if i m right, they will in effect have to concede the wrongdoing and say it is too minor to lead to such an extreme sanction. so trump won t be the first president to be removed from office, he will however be the third to be impeached, and as i said, that will be bad enough. jonathan lemire, i think the connection, the very simple math that people do that the president admits to shaking down a foreign leader to get dirt on a political rival, that sentence needs to continue and say that people s lives were put on the line and, you know, the president was using military aid to hold back holding back military aid and that people could die and possibly did given the time that it took to discuss all of this. there s a real possibility that we will look back upon yesterday as an inflection point in this matter. the account from ambassador taylor is so gripping. it s so clear. he brought evidence to support what he said. time and time again he talks about efforts where he tried to push forward the relief, tried to push forward the military assistance and was rebuffed by administration officials, by those in the state department. going to mike pompeo, trying to take it directly to the president to try to have a sense as to what exactly is going on here, and as you just said, what we saw yesterday was the real world consequences is the idea of ukrainians whose lives are at risk, who are in a state of combat with the russians and russian backed brigades across that border, across that bridge that peter baker wrote about, and i think that republicans now who have always prided themselves as being anti-russia how will they make that calculation going forward. it will take 20 or more republican senators to vote to remove. that still seems like an extraordinarily big number for a party that has remained so loyal to this president. i think this is a moment where at least some of them are going to have to come to grips with what happened, examine their own c consciences. it s reality and it s been admitted by the white house itself, if it s too an extreme connection to make that people s lives were put on the line for the president s political gain, then republicans maybe could get some guidance with his policies in syria? yeah, well, that s the one place we ve seen pushback from republicans. we saw lindsey graham leading the pushback on syria. last night lindsey graham on fox news pushing back on the impeachment process saying it s happening in the darkness and secrecy of the basement of the capitol. on the question of syria where lindsey graham has spoken, showed what happened if we pulled out, you wrote a piece yesterday for the times titled for trump the deal maker troop pullouts without much in return, we ve seen the pictures of retreating american military vehicles with syrians and kurds throwing vegetables and rocks at them as if they were abandoning them. what do you think president trump is thinking this morning as he watches vladimir putin and president erdogan of turkey signing in sochi, russia, this joint deal to fill the void very quickly left by the americans? well, i think you re seeing the consequences obviously for the president s decision, and maybe it s the right decision. look, this is something that should not surprise anybody and he did tell us in the campaign his goal was to pull back from overseas wars. there s a great national fatigue with 18 years of international military operations that to many americans and certainly to president trump have not been worth the effort, worth the money, worth the bloodshed. what i think people are talking about here though is the way it s being done. it s not just that there s a desire to pull out. it s the way it s being done has provided an opening for russia that doesn t seem to concern the president very much. then you put that together with what we learned or we heard yesterday from bill taylor in terms of the pullback in security aid to ukraine and what you see in both instances are allies who are being, you know, undercut in their struggles to keep russia from, you know, dominating their territory and occupying this space both politically as well as physically. and i think that s something that does challenge republicans because it has been an orthodoxy for republicans for decades to stand up to russian aggression all around the world, and the question that republicans like lindsey graham are going to be asked is how do you square these two things about russia filling the vacuum in northern syria, what about ukraine where you criticized understandably president obama for not going far enough and now your own president, president trump has pulled the rug out from under the ukrainians for his political interests. and jeremy, on the question of how this was done by president trump, the phone call with president erdogan making a unilateral decision, you had yesterday the u.s. special envoy to syria on capitol hill testifying in sworn testimony that he was not consulted about the decision. he is the special envoy responsible for syria. he did not get a phone call before that decision was made to pull back american troops in northeast syria. yeah, jim jeffrey another career diplomat, a widely respected leader in our diplomatic core, blind sided completely by this effort, and he s been look out for american interests in that region talking to all the regional players, and he had no idea that president trump had given that green light to president erdogan on that sunday evening phone call. again, i think there s consistency between these two stories, willie. here the president is saying i never gave a green light. that s exactly what he did, begi. in the ukraine matter he s saying i never gave a quid pro quo. therefore pull out racism as a distraction to this, that s what came out yesterday. jeremy bash, peter baker, thank you, both, and coming up, democratic congressman eric swalwell joins the conversation on the heels of ambassador bill taylor s testimony, he was in the room for that. we ll be talking to him next on morning joe. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely. but allstate actually helps you drive safely. with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast. .and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost. unfortunately, it can t do anything about that. now that you know the truth. are you in good hands? you may have gingivitis. when you brush, and the clock could be ticking towards bad breath, receding gums, and possibly. tooth 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about. comcast business. beyond fast. house judiciary and intelligence committees, democratic congressman eric swalwell of california. great to have you on the show. claire mccaskill has the first question for you. claire. eric, welcome, my question to you hi senator. is you were in the room yesterday, right, when taylor testified? yes, i was. how many republicans were there? so there were a lot when we started. i counted about 75 people in this very small room, you know, about two-thirds of them were members. now, at the end of the day after all of the complaints about the process, after all of the attacks on the chairman, it was about, you know, a ten to one ratio of democrats to republicans. so at the beginning we take this seriously. at the beginning, how many republican members were in the room when dozens, dozens. and when he gave his opening statement, they were all there, correct? yes. and they had an opportunity to ask any questions they wanted to ask, correct? it s a great question, senator, yes, they get equal time, equal amount of staff, equal amount of members. and the reason it s in the basement is because that s where the skiff is. would you explain to everyone what the skiff is and why everyone in congress takes briefings and has hearings in the basement whether they re senators or members of the house because of where this particular hearing room is located? yeah, it s three floors below the capital, no cameras inside, no phones allowed inside. any classified notes stay inside, classified conversations stay inside. it s to protect the information, and in this case there was no special counsel. there was no special prosecutor. the attorney general refused to even take up this case, so we have to do this in a closed environment because we know that if witnesses know what other witnesses will say, they will tailor their testimony and cook up alibis and we have reason to believe that may be going on. we re trying to protect that information to the degree that we can. i think people don t understand that this is a bipartisan effort in terms of the republicans being there, hearing everything, and questioning witnesses, and i really hope that that s emphasized because their on defense now is process. that s all they ve got, and even that argument is so fundamentally flawed. senator, you re right, and they use a lot of their time in the beginning of each of these hearings to attack the process. they have access to be there, but then you see them all get up and leave and you re sitting there wondering if you re so interested in the process why don t you participate and listen for these ten-hour sessions. most cases most of the democrats stay and very few republicans stay. if they did stay and if they heard what these witnesses are saying, i hope that just like i that they would be moved and very concerned about what it means for our country and constitution. congressman, yesterday with the republicans in attendance in the basement, did you hear any of them ask a question? did you hear any of the questions? if so, what kinds of questions did they ask? cockamamie conspiracy questions. of ambassador bill taylor? yes. or 2016 hillary server, what about her e-mails, that type of nonsense. wow. hey, congressman, devin nunes came out and gave an interview after the hearing and said that congressman ratcliffe, i believe the term he used destroyed the witness and established that there was no quid pro quo. can you shed any light on that? did you see that? that did not happen. if you read the post opening statement, i think what you see is, one, that there was, in fact, a connection between having a white house meeting and getting security assistance only if the ukrainians would investigate the bidens and investigate and exonerate russia for the 2016 role, but also that you saw two sharp straight lines, not just donald trump to rudy giuliani because the defense, i think, has been well, this is rogue rudy. now, you have a sharp straight line between the president and his lawyer, and the president and ambassador sondland who says in this washington post opening statement that was leaked that the president is saying to connect investigations to aid. so congressman, how did you assess your witness yesterday, ambassador taylor? he obviously took very detailed notes, a career diplomat, an experienced diplomat who knew he needed to get some of this down in writing. he had dates and times and everything else. the white house came out yesterday and referred sort of indirectly to him as a radical unelected bureaucrat. how did you assess his credibility in the room over those nine and a half hours? well, i saw this radical unelected bureaucrat walk into a room of about 75 people, a very small room, with a commanding courageous presence take a seat and for 40 minutes lay out what he saw starting with his own credentials of serving in vietnam after west point in the 101st airborne division, working in the senate, working for nato, working at the state department, coming out of retirement to take a job that he didn t need to take to serve his country. he had unimpeachable credibility and a detailed recall of the efferents th events that had happened. we ve been discussing a lot this morning about the real world consequences here, that ukraini ukrainian s lives were in jeopardy. ed he discusses at length the need for ukraine to be an important american ally, the threat that they face every day from russia, so particularly with that, how stark this is, this isn t about politics. this is about real lives here, real world consequences. is what you heard yesterday, very simply, is what you heard yesterday an impeachable offense? we re going o to give the president a fairer trial than he deserves. if this was donald trump justice, he would be impeached by now. but in america even people who confess to crimes get due process. if you re an american at home who has been just outraged by what s been going on with the slaughters of the kurds and the green light that the president has given them, you should be very concerned that this president was withholding aid that is your taxpayer dollars that was supposed to help the ukrainians and while that aid has been withheld, every second that goes by, that has led to dead ukrainians, aid that would have helped them defend themselves and as you saw in that washington post statement from ambassador taylor, 13,000 ukrainians have died. they very much could have had more lives saved if the aid had come through rather than been held over the head to only benefit donald trump s re-election campaign. congressman swalwell, i want to clear one thing up. knows, a during the question-and-answer session that ensued, an unnamed republican actually asked ambassador taylor about hillary clinton s e-mails? no, you saw the line of questioning was about this cockamamie theory that the ukrainians were involved and interfered in the 2016 election, this server theory that donald trump continues to spin, that s the theme that we re seeing here is really to go back and look at, you know, 2016 just as donald trump wants. no one no member on their side, i think, has let the gravity of this sing in and wk t it means for our national security and what it means for our constitution. that s what s so frustrating. those who have looks of disgust on their face, we would really like them to start asking questions and have the courage to show that they are concerned because i know they re concerned, and they know it s not right. congressman, you re not going to change the mind of devin nunes or some of the republicans who have decided it s their life work to protect president trump, but do you in your private conversations talk to any republican members who have read the summary of the phone call with the president of the united states and ukraine or seen the whistle-blower report or now heard this incredible testimony for ambassador taylor and have said to you, boy, there is something here? one member said to me he s very concerned and he wants us to not rush this, and i took that to heart, but i told him we will be fair, but if we, you know, go on a protracted investigation here, donald trump is just going to, you know, try and tie us up in court, give himself moral equivalence, and give everyone a nickname and confuse the american people, so we want to move fairly but also swiftly. so congressman, i just want to clarify something you touched on earlier, a fear that the administration might be doing something to coordinate testimony. what do you mean by that? yeah, so what we have seen and i m not going to go into it but we have seen evidence that witnesses have talked to other witnesses, and the reason we re having these hearings in this fashion is so that when witnesses testify, the information is held closely. if the information is getting out in the public, then they re able to work together and try and get their stories, you know, together and aligned, especially if they re not necessarily innocent actors in this scheme. all right, so congressman eric swalwell, we have a trump tweet. is it applicable to this? the president just tweeted about the taylor testimony. he s quoting john ratcliffe who willie said allegedly destroyed the witness yesterday saying that neither he, taylor or any witnesses provided testimony that ukrainians were aware the military aid was being withheld. you can t have a quid pro quo with no quo, and he goes on to say where is the wrihistle-blow, the do nothing case is dead. let me ask you your response. does that line up with what you heard in the hearing yesterday? no, because actually as the washington post statement reported ambassador sondland said that meeting with getting the security assistance and the white house meeting is dependent on investigations and looking back on the 2016 election. he said everything is on the line. it s not just the security assistance. it s the white mouse meeting that they were seeking to get and also the ukrainians, you know, once congress passes and authorizes this aid, every day that goes by that they don t have it, they don t have the aid. now, yes, they did learn about it, you know, that there may have been a hold later in the summer, but there was still a period of time where they didn t get it, and most importantly and i think my republican colleagues don t want to acknowledge this the aid came through on september 11, that was two days after the whistle-blower complaint became public, so they had no choice but to put the aid through, otherwise it was completely oven that they were running this quid pro quo scheme. yeah, congressman eric sq swalwell, thank you very much. his tweet is confusing, most of them are, but especially so. he seems to be quoting congressman ratcliffe who appears to be on another morning show at this moment. it seems to suggest the ukrainians were aware he says that taylor is not saying ukraine was aware the military aid was being withheld. it s the homer simpson presidency. taylor talked about yesterday about the officials in the ukrainian government that were informed by sondland realtime, notes, i mean. this is ludicrous, of course they knew. of course they knew. and a demand the ukrainian president appear on camera to discuss this investigation. claire, how would you like to be representing gordon sondland? how quickly would you want him to get back to clean up his testimony. clean up his stuff. it was interesting to me that he would make i wonder if he has a lawyer now and if that lawyer has malpractice coverage because it is really bizarre that he would go in and, you know, do you get to perjury? i don t know. clearly he misled the committee, frankly unbelievable. coming up, outrage continues to ripple through washington this morning after president trump compared the impeachment probe to a, quote, lynching. not going to be distracted by that red meat he tossed out for his base. eddie glaude will put an important point on the matter though, next. 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it s when someone says i was raped by the irs or i was crucified by that exam, we use violent terms to describe what are inconveniences in life, and in that same way we sort of degrade the amount of violence and death that occurs in this concerned, whether it s lynching or rape or crucifixion these are terms that should be used to describe those specific acts not a metaphor. joe biden used the same term during the 1998 clinton impeachment process. he said it was a partisan lifrmging. he apologized for that yesterday. he said it wasn t the right word to use ask said i m sorry about that. i want to go back to that soundbite where lindsey graham of south carolina said this is a lynching in every sense, i mean, in other words it s not just the metaphor. he said this is a lynching thin every sense. you don t have to be from south carolina to understand the history. it certainly is more front and center. i wonder which side of the lynching is he talking about, that s what i m thinking about since he s from south carolina, who was doing what and who was receiving what? and look, in the context of this, just a few days ago the state of mississippi had to put up a bullet proof memorial of emmett till who was lynched because the memorial was being shot up every day. john cheney s memorial, constantly, grave site constantly defamed, constantly attacked, graffitied and the like. our country is wn we see politicians, whether deliberately or not i that history for political ends and political purposes, it deepens our illness. it fundamentally deepens our sickness. so we need to dismiss it. we need to decry it. we need to denounce it, and understand donald trump for who he is. it s also a gauge. the worst racism that he projects, the worst things must be for him. mika, the last thing i would say is that at a deep personal level, i am sick and tired of the country playing fast and loose with our dead. we have to do more, and so i invite everybody to go down to montgomery and visit the lynching memorial to see what we have done. coming up, we ll get claire s take on the new q poll from this morning showing a record high in support for the impeachment probe. plus, our next guest says as long as trump is in power, he will keep defying subpoenas. well, talk about we ll talk about a possible solution to that next on morning joe. i get it all the time. have you lost weight? 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(vo) go national. go like a pro. 50 past the hour, joining us now, executive chairman of the online gaming column, he has been exploring the notion of rebalancing our government in a series of pieces he has discussed on our show. he talked about how to rebalance the supreme court. this morning, he is looking at rebalancing the system of checks and balances. his latest piece for newsweek magazine is entitled let s face it, trump will keep defying subpoenas. heres how we can make presidents obey. as a lawyer and former senior counsel to a congressional committee i am dumbfounded by what is going on with the trump administration s defiance of congressional subpoenas. the trump administration strategy today is to use the court process to delay, delay, delay. making it conceivable that many of the subpoenas that have been issued despite the strength of the house s position will not be resolved for a number of months to come and potentially not before the 2020 elections. we need a statute that could give congress a speedy path to subpoena enforcement against the executive branch. we re witnessing right now how even in an impeachment process an administration can shield itself from legitimate requests for information and argue that an investigation is illegitimate because congress is rushing to judgment without determining the facts. a circular claim. and let s hope whoever wins the election remembers the importance of our system of check and balances from his or her new perspective and that this reform box is checked away right after the 2020 elections. i couldn t agree with you more. we have a situation where subpoenas are being issued and questions are being asked and the white house unlike anything we ve ever seen before is just going no. what is the resource? the question i get is well it s in the courts. well it s a long process. this seems like a real problem. it is a real problem and it s not too early to think about the post-trump reforms we need so this never happens again. congress is basically being treated like it s any other party bringing a lawsuit. even though the court of appeals basically upheld the right to subpoena in that case the trump administrations are going to continue to appeal and you can appeal and appeal and chew up time and that s their game plan. the ways and means committee subpoena was issued five months ago. still in district court in front of a judge appointed by trump and i m amazed after 45 years since the nixon subpoena ruling by the supreme court that there is no process here and we need a statute that changes it and something can be done that s pretty simple. it s kind of amazing that nothing is in place. so the white house has been completely open about this. they wrote a letter, in fact and released it to congress and the public. we re not going to comply. we re not going to help you with this impeachment inquiry. nbc learned that bill taylor had to be subpoenaed as the state department tried to block him from testifying there. so in the here and now what resource does congress have if they say i m not showing up despite the subpoena that you put in front of me? well, the kind of things that are talked about by way of resource really don t provide resource. there s the inherent contempt power that basically says send capital police down to arrest somebody. that isn t going to happen. you have criminal contempt but that requires the administration to bring a criminal case against itself and that s not going to happen. so you re left to civil contempt in the court which is the way they re pursuing it and then you re left to the same court process that any other litigant has that takes forever. so it s a pretty simple reform that we need. basically say a case like this, not any committee subpoena but one backed by the full house or backed by the full senate so you don t end up with an abuse like you did in the clinton administration where a single committee chairman issued about 1,000 subpoenas but fully backed subpoenas by one house or the other. if the president is going to challenge them, they go to the court of appeals, a three judge panel the way any other appeals case would and they have 30 days to decide it and if it s appealed, not the supreme court doesn t have to take every appeal but if it does they have 30 days to resolve it and we could have a process that restores checks and balances. what we need here is a democratic president obviously. what we don t have to have, i don t think is a democratic senate. some of the other rebalancing you mentioned required both houses. here if we had a democratic president and republican senate they re going to want this kind of enforcement capability also. i think once that trump is gone, you would get bipartisan support for a reform like this. the senate approved a civil contempt proceeding. and that took it all the way to the supreme court and you re right. it took almost a year for us to force them to comply with the oversite function of the united states congress. a rocket docket which is what you re talking about just goes straight to the top of the docket. it s decided by the courts very quickly. it only makes sense in this situation and i do think that it would be bipartisan support for this once we get beyond the trump years. now this would be seen as a threat to pack on the guy that they re clearly willing to go to bat for. no doubt this is a post-trump reform. what it does assume though is that a judicial order is going to be obeyed by the president. we have a president here who has byicly said i m immune from judicial process including subpoenas. that s what the white house letter you mentioned says. and that s a tougher one to solve for. what if a president defies a court order and what is an enforcement procedure then. our democracy depends on people obeying the courts. we thought we would need to. before we go, final thought on this. look, we have inherent contempt. if we had members of congress that were willing to use all the resources at their disposal there s things that we can do. you don t have to drag everybody in with the capitol hill police but you do with the one person and i bet you get a lot more people that would consider jail time and trump administration and they would testify. thank you as well. we ll be reading your regular piece in newsweek. great to see you. still ahead, much more ahead on testimony that democrats are calling disturbing and explosive. the top u.s. diplomat to ukraine provided the most clear evidence yet of a quid pro quo when it comes to the president s dealings with ukraine. we ll be right back. sident s dealings with ukraine. we ll be right back. 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