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is in the philippines, her family. >> gerfa was born in the philippines and always felt safe there. her older sister married a u. s. navy sailor, moved to america in 1985. brought 16 year old gerfa with her, hoping to give her a chance at a better life. >> she was so excited about the opportunity. i remember, she went to little caesar's pizza, it was the greatest thing, to get a job. >> she had a son, josh, went back to community college to improve herself. there she met a german immigrant named heiko. from then on, that was it. they were a family! she became a lab technician, heiko a maintenance man. they bought a house in the leafy neighborhood of lynchburg, virginia and had kevin. and the immigrant son became an all american kid. he was 14 that summer of 2011. smart, studious, and looking forward to the start of high school in the fall.
took seven years after the financial crisis. i work at bloomberg. surrounded by economic numbers all day. all of those numbers really do, sort of, point to to be mourning in america again. what joe biden's challenges going out and convincing voters of that and convincing them that his policies, which are the policies of the populist left, are responsible for that turnaround. >> josh, isn't there overlap between the policies of the -- the economic policies of populist right and populist left? it's so, what are we arguing about? >> yeah, i think there are to an extent. one of the things he knows with joe biden coming in in 2020 was that he did not strip away donald trump's tariffs. i think both trump, certainly biden, biden's administration, understand after the 2008 financial crisis and everything that happened afterward, that there needs to be a big focus on the middle class, in
nikki haley, though she is still polling far behind trump. there is evidence that trump himself might see haley as a growing threat, as he has targeted her this week with the same kind of false attack that he once used against both ra obama and ted cruz. trump pledged to a six half million followers on truth social, but hailie, ironically, is ineligible to be president because her parents were not u.s. citizens when she was born. well that part is true, but that has no effect on her eligibility to be president. nikki haley was born in south carolina, and has lived in the united states her entire life. joining me, now nbc news correspondent dasha burns, live from des moines. now on this you said last time, josh was there for. us vaughn hillyard, donald trump assad to host a rally later today. steve benen, joining us today. he's a producer for the rachel maddow show, and he's a editor for the rachel maddow blog, and the bulk of the impostors. our publicans quick governing and seized american politics. vaughn, let me start with you.
too late? here with heart of darkness is keith morrison. >> they lay in wait, unseen underneath the green canopy, armed to the teeth, immersed and there to find extremist beliefs, hunting, stalking, deadly in this particular heart of darkness. it was the summer of 2011, a jungle clad island in the southern tip of the philippines, where they prepared the place. the news of the terrible committed here, flashed halfway around the world and came crashing down out of nowhere on a modest working class family. in lynchburg, virginia. >> i got a phone call for my mother. the first thing she said was gerfa and kevin are kidnapped in the philippines. >> kidnapped? her mother tried to wrap her hand around the considerable. gerfa was there and, kevin gerfa's-year-old son.
reelection in november? josh joins us now. with, that the national correspondent at bloomberg business week. it's great to have you back on the show. we will get the first question to elaine stewart. josh, you wrote basically the first book of a lot of trump books. readers came out first, about right wing populism the rise of right-wing populism. what commonalities do you see from the right wing populism that field trump and the new left wing populism and how difficult is it going to be for president biden to thread the needle and still keep -- keep progressives, but keep the centrists that helped propel him to victory in 2020? >> the big commonality is that there is a huge political backlash after the financial crisis, which, on the, write the story that i told in my last book was how that gave rise to steve bannon and donald trump. but the story i tell him that
fewer people are as enthusiasts about her as they are about the other candidates. what does this all mean? >> vaughn is giving me the strong silent look. let me pause for a second. i will go back to him once he has our audio. josh, you look like you are in a relatively warm place. it's iowa, it's winter. i'm not sure why everyone is fascinated by this weather, but it could affect turnout. >> yeah, because it is pretty bad out there, ali. listen, when i was out there earlier this morning, the re--- it was negative 39. i do not know how to describe to you what that is like. people are actually concerned that it could impact caucus goers at the stage. when you talk about there with enthusiast some, that is where that is going to matter. how enthusiasts are voters about their candidates, to go
they both enjoyed being there. >> reporter: in fact, they had a fantasy a dream, to live here all the time. to buy the resort and make it their home. >> that was brought up a lot. >> reporter: jan's dad terry could see how they loved being here. >> about every evening jan and chris would take the boat, they would take pictures of the loom in the wildlife and the sunsets from the. lake >> that was the life they would've liked. >> reporter: if they owned, it said jim's mother. frugal jan could use her accounting skills to keep the place in business, and chris -- >> chris was an outdoors person, john was the people person. with people coming in and out through the week, keeping them can hand and happy and busy. all of those things. >> reporter: chris's brother, josh -- >> it would've worked out well for them, chris was a handyman. jan was business smart.
executive order and pushed for the bill. so i think that it is important what josh is doing to show that some of those that were the outers, rebels, he calls them, were able to deal with mainstreaming issues. i think rather than biden shifting or them shifting, i think they kind of met mid-stream. sort of happened in '80s and '90s with jesse jackson. sometimes what becomes, looks as a stream becomes mainstream if you can hold on long enough. >> josh, give you a chance to address that sort of bigger point and also talk how today you had the president talk abou how you had the president announcing more student debt relief. borrowers who receive less than $12,000 in federal loans and have been paying off balances for ten years will get their remaining debt cancelled in february. i can't tell you -- i'm sure you have the number of friends who have the gotten extraordinarily emotional because of the difference that something like
>> josh, you mentioned the three characters in your book, warren, sanders, aoc. and in fact, it's president biden. the populist idea outside of fox news, perhaps, generally pretty moderate in politics. >> yeah. >> this book explores sort of a urn it towards economic populism. biden's populist turn an unexpected quota to a long career first established him as a business-friendly democrat. although always crafted his political persona arod his ue collar upbringing. biden resting the corporate haven of dellway teasingly once known at the senator fro corporate america. bite the time he became president fincial crisis of 2008, backlash delivering trump to the white house led biden to alter his approh in a way paradoxic many seeming to people with older vintage of him. what was behind that shift? was it really just those