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appeals process, and i think, ari, you're right, i don't think he has a credible ground for appeal. he'll try a lot of stuff, but nonetheless, i think at this moment before the election, i don't see a realistic chance that trump is going to jail for this set of offenses. >> and again, that'ston contrary to what trump's lawyers said. and they make legal arguments like you do, but they do stuff you don't typically do, neal. they've used the court to make sort of political statements, to make nonlegal claims. they also, of course, were rebuked at times for that. so even though it's a lawyer talking, i wonder how skeptical we have to be about whether they're trying to play into the grievance politics. oh my god, what if i were jailed right before rnc, which we saw trump talk up on the gag order, and then it was echoed on fox as if it would be a miscarriage of justice for him to go to jail over the gag order. leaving aside the intricacies of that, we all lived through it, he was never put in jail for the
horrible tragedies of this case is the attack, the unprecedented attack, and the baseless attack on the system here. i mean, i think, if anything, this is a great story for the rule of law and the vindication of justice. and people who are responsible or who know better or should know better, particularly lawyers, coming and making attacks on the system. every criminal case there's lots of tragedies in it. you have the victim, the defendant themselves, and here you have added to all of that the tragedy of respected people in government, high places, making attacks on the system and undermining the very confidence when it's completely baseless. >> we have some top republicans in that vein. i want to play that. i talked on some of the other news coverage, so we've shown what happened, but here's some of the reaction from top republicans. >> this case was rigged from the very beginning. >> i think that what happened in new york, if you applied it across all 50 states, would be
especially when he tried to twist the definition of what gain of function research is and he threw everybody under the bus. we produced e-mails that showed all of his circle of advisors were bragging about how they could avoid foia, they could avoid -- avoid transparency by not putting anything in e-mails, and what doctor fauci said was i never talked to my personal assistant, he did not have access to make i got a no khakis on his own. it wasn't me! it was a cbc that said 6 feet apart! it was offensive what doctor fauci said today, i'm glad the american people got to see the mad scientist and all the damage he has done to our society. >> jesse: 20 lied to congress congress can make a comment agent the justice department to make an arrest, rbc that won't happen under the biden administration but if trump is reelected, will you guys be making and recommendation to the trumpet justice department to arrest anthony fauci for perjury?
to you? >> i think that justice would be having susan prosecuted to the full extent of the law -- one would think that justice would be having susan prosecuted to the full extent of the law. but these children have lost their mother. their innocence, their childhood is gone forever. real justice, i don't know what that looks like. but what i do hope is that in terms of justice that, we, the american people have to come together and do something in terms of unjust shootings, eradicating that. addressing the stand your ground law. >> indeed. >> this just can't continue to
puppeteer of someone who doesn't work in the federal system. that he is pulling the strings of alvin bragg to get his to bring the case, causing him to win the case. and a person who has all this power doesn't do anything about his own justice department who today is bringing a case as you pointed out beginning at trial against his own son. we know something about joe biden, and people may have their views about whether they want to vote for him or not, but we know that biden loves his son more than he wants to hurt trump. next time you have a republican on the show you should ask them, isn't it true that joe biden has the power to fire the special counsel. the answer would be yes. isn't it true that biden has the power constitutionally to pardon in advance his son and spare him from this spectacle. he does. he didn't do anything of those things. the idea that someone who is not exercising his authority to
hutchinson, i appreciate it. >> your time tonight. thank you thank you. >> good to be with you, anderson. we just learned that president biden tonight, we'll have some especially blunt talk about as president for had assessors conviction has prepared remarks for a private fundraiser tonight, including words like unhinged as well as the president's assessment that his opponent is making a quote, all out assault and the american justice system, prison, we understand is also expected to say, quote, my god, what kind of man is this? >> joining us now is democratic strategists, james carville. so james pertinently, these prepared remarks released by the biden campaign, the president is going to say tonight, folks, the campaign in entered unchartered territory last week for the first time in american history, a former president that is a convicted felon is now seeking the office of the presidency do um, this is something behind closed doors is not going to be televised. do you see him making this a regular part of his stump speech? do you see him running with this out front? as a shield or is that not a wise idea i hope he
protect his son was otherwise some kind of a puppeeter borders on ludicrousness. >> he kept him on, he didn't have to do that. there are other moments that he didn't have to keep him in the job, he has done that. we don't know what will happen in the outcome of this case. bragg doesn't work for joe biden. doesn't work for the department. it doesn't work that way. he doesn't direct them. go ahead. >> even people in the, even people in the justice department work at some remove from orders of the president. you know, i was fired by president trump in part because i refused to speak to him back in march of 2017 because it was inappropriate for a sitting united states attorney who has jurisdiction over his company, his foundation, all sorts of
this verdict has actually rotc uniform unifying our party without any question what we've seen is never choppers calling me and saying tim, i'm on the bandwagon now. i've seen this two tier justice system working against the president united states. it can work against me to he so provided no evidence of that. >> and as for the system being weaponized against republicans, not sure what democratic senator bob menendez fields about that or for that matter, a hunter biden, the president's son, they're arriving today at a federal courthouse in delaware for day one of his trial on gang real gun-related charges here's democratic congressman jamie raskin today democrats were not out there saying that hunter biden's trial is a far sits of fraud. >> it's rig we're not attacking the justice system. they do that because extraordinary cognitive dissonance that a party which claims to be representing religious piety has wrapped itself around in an adjudicated sexual assailant and frost or who just got convicted by a
targeting what he called quote, political opponents. and as we reported last week, some the former president's senate allies are vowing to bottle up any legislation at all in response to the new york verdict. now let's remember this was a state trial, not a federal one. and there's no evidence the federal justice department had any role whatsoever in it. >> let alone the attorney general, let alone president biden. >> yet from the beginning, the former president has an almost literal sense, tried to make a federal case out of it. a notion his supporters now fully embrace house speaker mike johnson for one last week, he said the supreme court should get involved. now he's saying congress should, with all its got listen, we are the rule of law party. chaos is not a conservative value and we have to fight back and we will, with everything in our arsenal, but we do that within the confines of the rule of law. so what we'll do with our tools that we have in congress in the house is we'll use our oversight, responsibility and we're going to look at special counsel jack smith, who we
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