when all in starts right now. good evening from new york. i m chris hayes. days after a senior republican senator referred to the white house as adult day care, the man that many believe is in charge of supervising the president, chief of staff john kelly, was sent out before the press to shoot down reports that the president s tantrums are causing big problems. the day began as it often does with a presidential outburst on twitter. this one aimed at the struggling people of puerto rico. who three weeks after hurricane maria are still suffering through an acute deadly crisis, many lacking access to safe water and food, and urgent medical care. we ll have the latest from the island coming up later this hour. today the president appeared to blame puerto rico for its current situation, threatening to cut off federal recovery efforts. i quote him here. electric and all infrastructure were disaster before hurricanes. congress to decide how much to spend. we cannot keep fema, the military, and the first respond hoarse have been amazing under the most difficult circumstances in pr forever. an agency spokesperson tweeting, fema will be with puerto rico, u.s. virgin islands, every state and territory impacted by disaster every day, supporting throughout their response and recovery. asked about trump s tweets the chief of staff put a kinder, genter spin on the president s core message. does president trump believe that the people of puerto rico are american citizens? yes. who deserve the same access to federal aid as people who live in texas and florida? yes. what is his tweet about, then? which tweet? the tweet where he says we can t be in puerto rico forever. i think he said the u.s. military and fema can t be in there forever, right? he did, first responders first responders. this country, our country, will stand with those american citizens in puerto rico until the job is done. but the tweet about fema and d.o.d., read military, is exactly accurate. they re not going to be there forever. and the whole point is to start to work yourself out of a job and transition to the rebuilding process. kelly went on to deny a series of reports suggesting his efforts to contain the president, as senator bob corker put it, are cut putting kelly s own job in jeopardy. according to the l.a. times he and the president have engaged in shouting matches. vanity fair reported kelly is miserable in his job, remaining out of a sense of duty to keep trump from making some sort of disastrous decision. none of that is true, kelly said. although i read it all the time, pretty consistently, i m not quitting today. i don t believe, and i just talked to the president, i don t think i m being fired today. and i am not so frustrated in this job that i m thinking of leaving. i will tell you this is the hardest job i ve ever had. this is, in my view, the most important job i ever had. the chief of staff adopted the president s latest attacks on the press directed specifically at nbc news over a couple of damaging report in the last week, first that the secretary of state rex tillerson openly disparaged the president, referring to him as a moron. and then that the president wanted a ten-fold increase in the u.s. nuclear arsenal. the president reacted with what was even, for him, a fairly astonishing assault on the core concept of the first amendment. threatening to revoke the network s broadcast license, which doesn t exist by the way, and shut down unwelcome coverage. today his own chief of staff took his own swipe at the press. my only frustration, with all due respect to everyone in the room, is when i come to work in the morning and read about things i allegedly said or things that mr. trump allegedly said or people who are going to be fired or whatever. and it s just not true. it is astounding to me how much is misreport the. i will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are operating off of contacts, leaks, whatever you call them. but i would just offer to you the advice, i d say you know, maybe develop some better sources. amid looming confrontations with north korea and iran and growing concerns about whether the president s aides can restrain him from lashing out, kelly insisted the president doesn t need babysitting. i was not sent in or i was not brought to this job to control anything but the flow of information to our president so that he could make the best decisions. i have found that mr. trump, from the day i met him, does not is a decisive guy, he s a very thoughtful man i should say. again, i was not sent in or brought in to control him. and you should not measure my effectiveness as a chief of staff by what you think i should be doing. political analyst who covers the white house for usa today was at the briefing. what did you make of that today, heidi? we has had a brutal cycle, he being the president, and john kelly. if you remember, when kelly came in the headline was that all that s leaks were going to go away, he would instill discipline in this white house. yet you have all these stories coming out about shouting matches, about kelly possibly even leaving. and so just like they did when nbc s story came out about rex tillerson, immediately he s pushed out to talk to the press and to shoot it all down. and to deny it. and he can do that. he can deny it. because these sources are background. i will tell you, and you know this already, that there s no way we would get this reporting unless these sources were speaking on background. because they would be fired for talking like this. it doesn t make that information untrue. in fact, it s-highly unlikely that the information is untrue. and i guess it s good at least that kelly said, i give you the benefit of the doubt that you have sources. instead of like his boss who just called it all fake. his boss, the president of the united states, the theory he says is it s entirely made up. he accuses of press of totally fabricating this when he s not threatening to shut them down or revoke the licenses of newspapers, which also don t exist. we should note here, kelly is also doing, it strikes me, a similar job to what sean spicer had today on the first had to do on the first day of the administration, to come out in the face of a set of circumstances people can see pretty clearly and essentially deny the evident right in front of their face. he did. but i would say at least he didn t go so far as to say outright untruths. and he was actually quite charming in his engagement with the press in terms of at least keeping a pleasant demeanor, not coming out there angry and scowling at us, calling us the disgusting media, and essentially threatening the first amendment. he basically, you know, is i think trying to make a bridge to a certain extent with the media. it s interesting today that i was in this health care executive order announcement with the president and he actually turned around and thanked us all. which i guess is not usual. so i think there is a certain part of this that they re trying to immediately address some of these stories when they come out and put these people out in front of the media. but one of the things that kelly says, he called the president very thoughtful. it struck me that there s so many things you could say about the president, many adjectives. even if you wanted to praise the president there s lots of things you could say, canny, great political instincts, incredible way of capturing people s attention. he s not a very thoughtful person by basically the determination of every single person around him who s ever talked about him. that s an opinion. and he s welcome to his opinions. and i guess after having dealt with some of the previous individuals who have come out there and actually said outright untruths, like verifiably untrue things that are not factual, at least he s not going you re going to say that s in the territory of a characterization, as opposed to just like it was the most-watched inauguration. -heidi, thank you for joining me. congresswoman maxine waters is a democrat from california. congresswoman, there s been a story that kelly is a sort of restraining force, that people should be happy that he s there if they re worried about the president s temperament or worried about the president s current condition, and that it s good to have him there. is that your opinion? my opinion is it won t last for long. this president will not get along with him for very long. this president has the kind of disposition that would cause him to confront, argue with, fight with, shout at, those people around him. and they re only going to take it for so long. if you notice what kelly was saying, he was saying he was not fired today. he was not leaving today. and i don t know if he was qualifying that or not, but i think that was instructive. that even he knows it can t last very much longer. at some point, kelly said something about the views of democrats on security and what he called open borders. i wanted to play that for you and get your response to it because he was characterizing the immigration views of folks like yourself and members of your party, take a listen. all right. i believe that honest men and women can disagree on anything, politically or otherwise. the one thing i draw a little bit of a line to is on the security of the nation. there are certainly people in our country that have the opinion that open borders, near open borders are fine, people should be able to come and go. there are others, myself included, you can bet the president, but i think the majority of americans feel as though security on the borders is important. do you think that s an open open borders is an accurate characterization of a large view of folks in washington, for instance, on immigration? absolutely not. if he s truly concerned about security he should be concerned about the way the president is goading with the north korea situation. he and kim jong-un are basically talking to each other in ways that corker has said could lead us into third world war. so if he s really concerned about security, he should be concerned about whether or not this president is going to continue the kind of talking and goading that he s doing that would cause this kim jong-un, who we consider to be unstable, to launch a very devastating missile into our country with perhaps a nuclear war ahead. there s reporting indicating that the president, the decision which we re expecting forthcoming tomorrow in which he decertifies the iran bill, that was essentially born of a fit of pique, that the president was angry, he felt cornered, that the experts had come to him and told him, no, they re complying with the deal and he should certify it, the washington post reporting he threw a fit, he was furious, really furious, it s clear he felt jammed and that s why the white house security adviser, h.r. mcmaster and others, supported this plan to kick it to congress. what do you make of that? what are the consequences of making policy on something like this in this fashion? it s just unseemly that the president of the united states would be making policy on his own. he s been advised by everybody, republicans and democrats, that he should not be undoing the iran deal. we have other nations, six other nations, that are involved with us in this deal. and so for him to have america look as if it wants to undo the deal, want to decertify them, he basically is saying he knows better than anybody. but of course during the campaign he said he knows more than the generals. he really believes that and it s dangerous. for members of congress to sit back and watch what he s doing and watch the damage that he s doing in this country and to watch him just guide us into a possible war, and not speak up because they re concerned about their re-election, is not responsible. i believe it is time for republicans especially to walk over to the white house and tell him enough is enough. as a matter of fact what do you mean by that i think he should be impeached. al green was going to introduce a resolution, i was going to ask you if you would vote for impeachment knowing what you know now mr. when you say republicans going over and saying enough is enough what do you mean by that tangibly? what i mean is republicans should step up to the plate and confront the fact that this president appears to be unstable that he appears to be taking us into war, that he has openly obstructed justice in front of our face, and that increasingly we re finding that there s more and more lies about the connection with russia. i believe that there really has been collusion. and i do think that our special counsel mueller is going to connect those dots. but i think there s enough now that we all know and we all see and we all understand that we should be moving on impeachment. congresswoman maxine waters, always a pleasure. you re welcome, thank you. ben howe, writer for red state, conservative political blog, and lonny chen, what did you make of kelly s performance today? you know, i thought that it was a sincere performance. i think he did fine. i thought the most interesting thing about the exchange was, you know, this is a guy who has commanded large forces of soldiers. this is a guy who s been in war multiple times. he s been shot at no doubt. and he said the hardest job he s ever had, the hardest job, is being the white house chief of staff. that to me is indicative, i think, of the challenges that face this presidency and this white house. and the fact that kelly s still in there i think is a testament to john kelly. ben, the sort of going after the press which has been a kind of constant theme, an exchange where senator ben sass of nebraska rapped the president for his decertification, delicensing. do you think there s broad conservative revulsion at that? or do they generally feel, yeah, these people are our enemies? it s been interesting to watch, actually. i think a lot of conservatives in previous administrations, if a president was going to go after the press, one of the first things after their license specifically, i think they would have said, why is the government involved in licensing media anyway? they d talk free markets and things like that. that s what i would have done. but instead they seem to play by what a lot of them call the new rules. which is the liberals made the rules, now we re going to play by them. so even though it might conflict with what should be their conservative point of view, they re going to end up taking the position, yeah let s take their license away, we re just following their new rules anyway. there is a great story, lonny that to me epitomized part of the problem that s at the core of this presidency, particularly domestic politics. the president s trying to get this tax proposal done, he s been sort of working on that while this sort of awful news cycle has swirled hem with corker comments. this is what bloomberg reported. months after the white house proposed ending a tax break for people in the high-tax states president trump grew angry when he learned the change would hurt some middle-income taxpayers. he keeps finding out what the actual substantive agenda is and keeps getting angry about it. what do you make of that? tax reform is complicated and it turns out health care is complicate toot. all of these issues have multiple dimensions. there s a reason why we haven t done a big tax reform since 1986. and it s going to be challenging in any situation. when the white house has had to answer this question about the impact of their tax plan on middle income taxpayers, they ve had to say, we can t guarantee that every middle income taxpayer is going to get a tax cut, we can t guarantee there won t be a single middle income taxpayer that won t see a tax increase. that s the reality. these are really tough issues and as they dig into it they re finding out how difficult that could be. trump is a terrible president who nonetheless has sounder political instincts tan anyone in the gop leadership, responding to the story from bloomberg. trump who has in some ways political instincts about this stuff that i think is sounder than, say, paul ryan s. you ve still got the ryan agenda and they cannot make the whole thing work. i think he s got great salesman instincts. and being a good salesman works well with the american people if you go past the media, go straight to twitter, things like that. i really think this whole administration would do a lot better if the people like kelly wouldn t come out and try to translate for him and make it seem as though he s just this reasonable guy and has all these reasonable positions, when we ve all got eyes, we can see how he is. and you know, if they would just be a little more honest, when they say he s a straight talker, he as straight talker, so embrace that and say, i wouldn t have said it but i m not the president. i would say he s a weird mix of a sort of shockingly honest in some moments and incredibly, incredibly in your face deceptive in others. there s sort of all mixed together. i think some people call that diarrhea of the mouth, yeah. lonny, do you think the kelly is clearly out there because of the corker comments and because of the reporting about the background and because of tillerson, et cetera. i mean, do you think republicans are behind closed doors saying, where s this guy going? and concerned about that? well, i think republicans feel like there are a number of folks in the administration who are playing very important roles. i think rex tillerson s one of them, jim mattis is another, certainly john kelly. the question becomes if those individuals end up leaving the administration for some reason, then what? i think there is certainly concern about the future of those individuals because i think a lot of folks feel like they re the people who are there promoting in some ways i guess more traditional conservative viewpoints on a lot of these issues. without them the question is, what comes next? there s more uncertainty ask, that worries people. ben howe and lonny chen, thank you both. tonight, fed up with congress, the president signs an executive order as part of a continued and sustained effort to dismantle obamacare. what his latest effort actually accomplishes in two minutes. when you have a cold stuff happens. shut down cold symptoms fast with maximum strength alka seltzer plus liquid gels. sign the order, he forgot. we will have great health care in our country. thank you all very much. appreciate it, thank you. thank you very much, thank you. thank you everybody. oh! the most important thing. after that momentary lapse, the president did get around to signing the order which allows skimpier plans in some circumstances and could erode health care exchanges by drawing away healthier enrollees. the new order only part what was has been a brought campaign against the aca with congress repeatedly trying and failing to pass repeal and replace legislation, the administration has worked to chip away at the law including gutting the advertisement budget for enrollment, slashing outreach funds to help people enroll, shutting down the obamacare sign-up site for 12 hours and almost every sunday of open enrollment, and cutting that open enrollment period. tweeting extensive how the executive order is another sabotage in the campaign, andy slavitt, good to have you here. great to be here. you know this inside and out. let s start with what do you mean i love the term synthetic repeal, what s that mean? look, the republican party and trump ran seven years of raising nine figures of money on a promise that they would simply repeal and replace the aca. so going back as we go into 2018, an election year, oh, we can t do it, it s not a possibility. so i think left to his own devices, they re coming up with everything they can do to say, forget john mccain, he s a rhino, we re going to be able to do everything that we promised to do through this executive order and by cutting some medicaid through the tax bill. so i guess what does that mean for people? so the executive order today combined with what they ve been doing. what does that mean for the landscape of health care? think about the major pieces of repeal. one of them was that they were going to remove the federal protections against pre-existing conditions. according to the american academy of actuaries who looked at the executive order as it came out today, that s exactly what this does. the other thing they re going removes protections for pre-existing conditions? it does it by essentially creating a second plan as you described to your viewers earlier. and that plan sitting alongside the aca essentially, with no rules, no regulations, is basically designed to allow young, healthy people this is great for 28-year-old males, can find cheaper policies as long as they don t get sick. but for everybody else brings their costs up. if you have a pre-existing condition that not only brings your costs up but according to the actuaries they think many insurers will leave entirely and there may not be the availability of coverage. i saw a wide variety of health care groups today across spectrums and interests coming out against this. there s a question how long this will take and if they ll actually do it. they ve had a record of issuing executive orders. dave day has tracked this, they issue an executive order then no one does anything on it, it sits there. that s a really great point. if this scratches the president s itch to have done something, and then these orders go to treasury and to human services and labor and they take their time and put out some regs and water them down there here, we could actually and let the country move on to other issues, that would be a good thing. i think what people are fearful of, if you listened to his press conference, he said this is the beginning of a dismantling of the aca. i think we re going to have to figure out whether he means it or whether this is his rhetoric. the theme is the aca tried to create this marketplace where you had healthy people and sick people and old people and young people, everyone pooling the risk together, smooth out the risk, you can charge premiums that are acceptable, subsidized by the golf. the theme it seems of everything they ve done on this legislation at the executive level is hiving off healthy people, stopping the outreach to get them in giving them other options. right. i think that s a function of it not being the aca. i don t think that s his political philosophy. there s no political philosophy. conservative think tank in 1993 battling hillarycare, they said let s create one risk pool, that would be the best idea possible. you ve got essentially a man who feels he needs to deliver something for his donors. there s this fundamental conceptual promiscuousness where cassidy-graham, three weeks ago, which would be 50 different state regimes, the opposite of take the lines off around the states, there s no unifying principle here. i think if you give graham another few months, he s so good at the sunday shows, he might have come up with a unifying sounding theme. the problem is in reality when they say we re going to give states more authority, you look at what happened. oklahoma, minnesota. they submitted waivers to the trump administration. think didn t get them approved. they didn t even get answers. like they literally wrote to them and said, what s up? and got nothing. it s only federalism, you know. that s really what we re dealing with. an day slavitt, thanks for joining me. as desperation mounts on the numbers of americans dying on the island continues to rise, why on earth did the president of the united states threaten to pull federal emergency response out of puerto rico? three weeks after hurricane maria the government puts the official 91 of people dead at 49. but two democratic members of congress want a federal audit on that number citing recent reports suggesting the death toll is much higher than is being officially acknowledged. while hundreds of people remain unaccounted for, the president implied that he is already ready to abandon the federal recovery effort saying in a statement released on twitter, we cannot keep team mafema and military responders in pr forever. white house chief of staff explained the comment was exactly accurate, fema and the u.s. military continue be in puerto rico doing disaster recovery for literal forever. that seems to miss the point. the president suged this 22 days after the storm made landfall in puerto rico. fema was present in new orleans for six years after hurricane katrina. if the president pull s recover effort on 3.5 million american citizens, 85% of the island without power, 40% without clean drinking water. a cbs reporter captured images of cars lining up to get freshwater from a pvc pipe that tapped into a hillside stream. here s a picture of a fema flyer instructing an area without internet or cell phone coverage to call or register online for disaster assistance. the journalist who snapped that picture joins me next. oh my gosh! how are you? 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(all) yes. without pg&e s assistance, without their training our collaboration with pg&e is centered around public safety. we could not do our mission to keep our community safe. anytime we are responding to a structure fire, one of the first calls you make is for pg&e for gas and electric safety. it s my job to make sure that they have the training that they need to make the scene safe for themselves and for the public. it s hands-on training actually turning valves, turning systems off, looking at different wire systems all that training is crucial to keeping our community safe and our firefighters safe. together, we re building a better california. we re currently in yasco, puerto rico. we have an urgent message to get out about what s really going on here in western puerto rico. right now we re only giving out to the people in the mountains one small meal and six bottles of water per family. that is all they re getting. that was former army cavalry scout jason maddie on the ground in a town of about 30,000. molly crabapple just got back from puerto rico and joins me now. i know your dad s from the island, you have friends there. you got outside san juan, where were you? i was in barrio mariana, a small village, the first place on the island that the hurricane hit. and what was how much federal presence did you see there in terms of military or fema or federal officials? i personally saw zero presence. when i was there, the only aid that people in mariana had received was a municipal truck that gave people two small bottles of water, a pack of tropical-flavored skittles, a newt ra grain bar, and a pack of virginia sausages. i do know the military and the fbi came about three weeks after the hurricane and they did distribute mres and water. but that was pretty much it. in terms of how people are living their lives there, i m assuming there was no electricity. none. and how were people how are people getting the bakes? which is water, electricity, food? some people had generators. but if you have a generator, your life becomes an endless wait on six-hour lines for diesel. to get water, you either waited fare hours and hours at costco using your scarce reserves of gasoline, or you went to a creek on the side of the mountain and collected it in a jug. so people were just getting rainwater off a creek? or springwater off a creek, that s what i did. i brought a filter, we d purify it. this is very dangerous because disease is spreading on the island because there were all of these animal corpses that were left to rot. it s getting into the water. so it sounds like a nonfunctional situation. so it s like sounds like what s happening is people s days are taken up with the basics of survival. there s nothing no one s going to work or doing the things that you would normally do. exactly. communication is so bad that even pharmaceutical companies, which are the biggest industries, are calling into the one radio station to tell their workers whether or not to come to work. most people don t have the ability to get to their jobs. their credit cards don t work. their ebt cards don t work. huge lines to access the atm. $200 maximum. that cash will run out. so it s the struggle for survival. but the thing about puerto ricons is that this is a very, very close-knit culture, a culture of family, friends, barrios, neighborhoods. and so people are taking care of each other. it s not the federal government that s taking care of people. it s not fema. it s people taking care of each other. in barrio mariana, the couple that i stayed with, christine and luis rodriguez sanchez, set up a community kitchen that s feeding hundreds of people. these community kitchens are happening all over the island. as people give up on help from fema and decide to take caring for themselves and their neighbors into their own hands. how aware will people of this sort of the president s comments, the president s perspective towards puerto rico, what would the feelings about the federal government and its involvement? one older woman i spoke to said, oh, trump came into the richest town in puerto rico and threw toilet paper at people s heads, he s trying to humiliate us. in general it s viewed as an extension of the same racist, colonialist, stereotypical thinking that america has had for puerto rico since it poll noised it in 1898. do you think do folks have hope that things are going to change in the short-term? or this sense that this adjustments we ve made to eke out survival, which is food, water, electricity, diesel, that that is going to be the status quo for a while? some people have accepted that that will be the status quo for a while and are trying to build on it. with these community efforts. other people are sort of hanging on. one woman that i met, her mother who has alzheimer s and dementia and can t speak, she was kicked out of her nursing home because there was no electricity. doesn t have access to medicine. she s trying to keep her mother alive in this crushing heat with no access to clean water. someone like that needs help as soon as possible. they can t just adjustment. molly crab apple, thank you for your reporting, thank you for joining us. why a senior facebook executive says owe the american people an apology. plus tonight s thing 1, thing 2. it s a good one next. that can fix itself? 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what are you? what is facebook? it s a platform, sure. it s also a community about 2 billion people, it s also a publisher, an advertising company and also the most advanced surveillance system on the planet and it s all of these things at once and some of these things have very mutually exclusive incentives and responsibilities. it strikes me that one of the things max said there is key. it s an advertising platform. the way that they make money is through surveillance and advertising, which is they figure out who you are and then they sell ads to target you and whatever they re going to do is they are not going to want to do anything that cuts into that. bingo. more than anything, facebook monetizes your attention in mind, the users. there was a time on the internet when we didn t have to go to these walled gardens to connect with our friends when we had websites that were sort of more independent. we all know that half of americans are so get their news through facebook. what people don t know is that news publishers, in order to get the news to you, to get their campaign to you typically have to pay facebook and when we talk about ads in this context, which sheryl sandberg mentioned, even as she brought up a red herring with twitter s handling of marsha blackburn s campaign ad, she mentioned that in this interview, she talked about how twitter made a bad call in banning a political ad. and then she said blackburn and everybody else, essentially everyone knows that in order to reach your audience on facebook, you have to pay. my site boingboing.net, you have to pay. here s the thing. sandberg said in that interview that it was traceable, the russians spyops campaign during the last election, so that was paid ads as well and they were paid for in rubles. so show me the receipts. if their in rubles, it shouldn t be that hard to track down and why not have facebook return that money, like everybody s saying that hillary clinton ought to do with weinstein s money and everybody talking about the donations that harvey weinstein made and that the political beneficiaries of those donations should return it. i say facebook ought to return that because facebook is profiting off of this and they knew it when it was happening. did they know it when it was happening? that s the question, right? i think a lot about the parallel because i ve spent a lot of time covering the financial crisis. a big question about the financial crisis is, were they done or be a borrow richist? was it huber rift or aborist. and with facebook, do they not know or not care or want to make a lot of money? i think it s both. they are so big and so widespread and so automated that they can t look at all of it all the time. buying an ad on facebook is like getting a candy bar from a vending machine. you don t have to talk to somebody for it and it s been great for small groups that need it but it s also great for russians who might want to buy ads on facebook and not have anybody know that they are russian. do you think that the platform at the current size can continue in this way with the changes that someone like sandberg promises? xeni? absolutely not. what we re seeing right now is sheryl sandberg on the most earnest crime offensive crisis p.r. tour of all time. i think they both know that what they are staring at is the possibility of government regulations and they d very much like to avoid that. as i heard yesterday earlier today on msnbc, this is not about relitigating the 2016 elections alone, although the result of that election is something that feels very unstable and very scary to a lot of us adults. right. but this is also about moving ahead. so if facebook, as i believe they did, was essentially identified by russian intelligence as having some big, gaping security holes that could be exploited by russia for their own purposes, that has to be addressed in a much bigger way than just this sort of super well rehearsed pr event that happened today. it s not like questions were even rehearsed and i didn t hear an answer. i didn t hear real answers about, for instance, she was asked by axios, is it possible that the russian ad buy targeting and trump campaign overlapped? she didn t refer to it in government seeing it in due time. it seemed so disingenuous so not genuine and like a real insult to a lot of americans who have trust in facebook as a platform that doesn t profit off of pushing misinformation at us. and that s the thing. this is not about free speech. they are not a nonprofit and this is about are you free to profit and are you something that harms america when you know it s harming america. is it the silicon they like the free speech argument and it s something that we all intuitively understand and support and facebook is not a government. it might sort of seem like a state or a government but free speech works in the united states because we have a very lengthy history body of law and judicial warnings and ways to hold the government accountable and to fight back and to appeal rulings and facebook is a giant black box with a few people at the very top and their ideas about what should be allowed and what shouldn t be is somewhere in there and sort of filtered out into moderator contracts
the president now? no. i don t, no i don t have nothing to say to him. let s remember, general john kelly deployed his considerable stature to back trump and frame this as fight between a serious president and loud, lying member of congress. then the tape surfaced showing it was kelly who had his facts wrong and today miss johnson s remarks it show you you can take congresswoman out of the picture and still have word of grieving mother contradicting the word of president. a president who has broken records for his misleading and false statements in office. general kelly, it is not too late for you. you can correct this record so we can all move on. but asking people to move on without correcting the record isn t moving on at all. in fact it is contrary to the accountability required. no person is above checks and balances. joining me, joint call from cbc urging general kelly to apologize for blatant lies about congresswoman johnson. first niger. former terror intelligence officer and long-time journalist, author of fantasyland, relevant to part of this debate. malcolm, what do you make of where this goes now, military trying to do relatively serious but nonpartisan briefings with the undertow of a president who continues to want to submerge everyone in what appear to be falsehoods? right now department of defense and special operations command and africa command will be doing deep dive after action reports to get to the bottom of how this ambush formed, how the personnel on the ground managed the fight on the ground. and there s one thing missing from the story, sergeant johnson got separated at some point but managed to move a mile away from the contact point. that shows he was fighting on the move, fighting and evading as single man unit. and defense department is going to investigate that and going to want to know how he got separated, what kind of combat support was brought in and whether it could be done faster. but there are two stories here, political story and story of the four heroes on the ground and special forces oda and how they managed to overcome overwhelming odds. all these stories will come out. here s what he said about the information owed to the families. with regard to being transparent, i think we owe the families and american people transparence in incidents like this. how should that work malcolm, given something you understand better than most of us, aspects of this that are sensitive even as they say they want to rule out what happened so people know? to a certain extent we ve had problems with this issue before. transparence of the administration when a loved one, member of the armed forces died. remember the issue with pat tillman in afghanistan, former nfl player who became a ranger, went into combat and initial report he was killed in combat by enemy force, turned out to be friendly fire. these issues should have been worked out in advance. these families deserve to know as much as humanly possible about the loss of their loved deference of military officer and played that up making a false political attack. the congresswoman stood up in the long tradition of empty barrels making the most noise, sto stood up there in all of that and talked about how she was instrumental in getting the funding for that building. even for someone that is that empty a barrel, we were stunned. that attack stays on the record. video s been played. msnbc went to the trouble of playing entire video to see it in context and make up their minds. series of lies. only an issue when donald trump made it one in impromptu press conference by lying about is having written to almost every person who s died and lying about predecessors never calling survivors of dead soldiers and marines. those two lies existed. general kelly gets out there, perfectly fine moving beginning of this thing, then pivots to this lie about what the congresswoman had done at dedication of the fbi building he attended a few years ago. it s extraordinary. this doesn t need to exist. the niger event is an event of a kind that happens. could have been put away. donald trump could have answered that initial press conference question with my heart is with the survivors and brave men who died. he wasn t asked a pressing question, just why haven t you said anything about this mr. president. right. and john mccain, military service, not a prerequisite but interesting to hear him go there. we drafted lowest income level of america and highest income level found a doctor that what have we learned? what is your view where we go from here? and what is it incumbent on chief of staff john kelly to do now that the video has been exposed? general kelly can take the responsibility for admitting that he was wrong, that he had lied on the congresswoman. i think it s important for us all to work to get this behind us. first of all, make it absolutely clear our heart goes out to the families of all of the soldiers who were killed in niger. and we should let them know that not only do they have our condolences but we stand with them and appreciate the sacrifice they all are making. having said that, this president, president trump did it again. he has the most distorted leadership of any president i ve ever known or heard about. here he had the opportunity to make the condolence call, do it properly, recognize this family and their grieving and also to know the name of the soldier who had been killed. he did not remember the name, he didn t handle it well. and even if he had been counseled to talk about, perhaps, young people going into war, into service like this understand the risks involved. but he didn t do it correctly and he needs to admit that. first, he needs to apologize. he lied on other presidents that had gone on before him, saying they didn t do it as well as he did. that he called everyone. and in typical trump fashion gets off the phone, is challenged and backtracks, tries to call all those families, gets his personnel to identify all the families who have lost members in service to this country and then he tries to make up by sending some kind of a letter or note to them. it is so unconsonable in the way he handles leadership. and general kelly has had a great career and have his career basically unmined by the president of the united states because he s trying to protect and stand up for the president when the president did not deserve to be stood up for, he s damaged himself. his credibility is at question. he needs to call the congresswoman and apologize. he lied on the congresswoman. he said he was there, he said he heard her, and then, when the video clip was played that basically demonstrated exactly what she said and how she said it, it was obvious that he had lied. so he needs to apologize. if the president will apologize to mrs. johnson and if general kelly will apologize to congresswoman, i think we can put this behind us. but until that is done, it is not going to go away. you re absolutely correct. all of the women of the congressional black caucus have come together and we re demanding an apology. we re sick and tired of women being undermined, dismissed, and black women in particular being called named. she was called wacky, fredericka wilson an honorable member of the house of representatives that we all respect. i followed the cbc, does a lot of work on policy, is it your view she was treated differently because of her race and gender? i think it goes along with it. he seems to have this tendency to talk down to people of color, to treat them with disrespect. and i think this adds to it. i think the fact that first of all, he called her wacky, secondly, that he didn t back down, that he simply talked about her in a way that was not respectful. i think that yes, i think is adds to the suspicion of him and the way that he thinks about minorities and black people in particular. congresswoman waters, thanks for coming on the beat. you re welcome. thank you. 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scrutinizing tony podesta, brother of john podesta, the issue being the russian friendly ukrainian political projects that hired paul manafort and podesta s company. mueller not commenting as usual but trump is. new interview, says nobody at doj has asked for interview. there s a report that you re legal team is saying yes, do a interview with robert mueller. is that what you re going to do? nobody has asked me to do that, i don t know. there is no collusion. i can tell you. joined now, betsy, we re seeing in dribs and drabs. people who follow this come across your name as one of the reporters breaking these stories. that investigation is proceeding. podesta news shows that interviews confirmed with reince priebus and sean spicer show that. what else are you seeing? is it relevant if the president will testify? it s relevant to ask if the president could be in on this. in the past, waco debacle, had a phone conversation to interview then president bill clinton. there s precedent for moouler to speak with trump. can t predict it. over the last week and likely for next two weeks, current and former white house staff are sitting down for interviews with mueller and his team and that s a legally risky situation. likely to be fbi agents present for the interviews. if any of the white house staff answering questions deliberately lie could face legal liability. some folks close to the white house want to suggest this podesta news means mueller changed focus, reality is it s complex, bigger than most reports can explain in clear bay and not likely to be over soon. and there s reports that congressional side there s more partisan drama. bipartisan accounting appears to be dwindling. republicans looking to wrap it up. shift from the beginning where it looked bipartisan. they have elections coming up. want to wrap things up. not pretty topic for republicans regardless of where they stand. has to do with russia s interference in the election. significant news about mueller investigating podesta. this transcends politics. mueller is not a political hack. evidence that something big is going on here. also work going on before president trump announced candidacy. whether or not it benefits trump remains to be seen. not a rabbit hole though. first glances looks like might be rabbit hole and unrelated to probe and going down political channels but it s not. it s all connected to paul manafort, president trump s campaign chair. noose is tightening on manafort. speaking to experts on the foreign agents registration act is fun to do. not many of them. they said fact that rachel maddow is doing reports on fara is amazing to them. that s the law that could hit the podesta group. look at motivation, bob mueller will go where he goes. argument is could be good news for donald trump if there s no findings of collusion, anybody else hit on the playing field, can get rid of staff. he s done that. mueller is going to follow where it leads but rod rosenstein, number two at justice department will have to make big decisions. regulation for special counsel dictates if mueller or anybody else finds evidence of a crime outside the scope of his or her mandate, may have to go to attorney general, rod rosenstein in this case to decide what to do with that evidence. rosenstein could be in the position of deciding what to do with what mueller and team find here. another piece that s important, work that podesta group was doing on behalf of ukrainian clients is really troubled human rights folks and former american diplomats. they were trying to convince the lawmakers that the ukrainian electricities were above board, clean and good election. while it happened, podesta group clients had political opponents in prison. propaganda peddling that deeply frustrated human rights a activists and people who cared about good government in ukraine. some of that goes to lot of things in washington that may be legal or on the line that could disgust the average observer and 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two new york times reporters who broke the story. we have physical proof that this is bull [ bleep ]. this is bull [ bleep ]. this is horrible what i went through, what my family went through. this is crap, and you know it. it s politically and financially motivated. and we can prove it with shocking information. that is part of o reilly s side as well as his denials which we ve reported. another side, former fox news host who came out today speaking on megyn kelly today . i m terrified, i don t know why i m about to cry. it is just difficult, many women go into the settlement agreement because they just don t want to face what potentially could be coming at them. again, dealing with a corporation, filled with people who are going to do everything they possibly can to make sure that they win and you don t. and i m joined by cecile richards. what is your accounting of all these allegations stacking up and coming out. horrifying, beginning with harvey weinstein stories and continuing on. as you re seeing across the country, not a woman in america who isn t now reliving some experience. i just really want to thank the women who have been brave enough and had the courage to come forward. it s establishing how prevalent this is. and frightening thing, how prevalent it may be even with the policies of the u.s. government. right. and when women know it s prevalent and epidemic or seen as something that you sadly must get through, and must deal with and get on with in work environment, what does it take to make men aware of how prevalent this is? seems to be a group of people doing pred dags, that s bad and group of people silently enabling it or in denial how prevalent it is. we see this at planned parenthood every day, treat women who have survivors of sexual assault and domestic violence. and it is good to see male allies speaking up but having a government denying women access to reproductive rights and health care like texas makes it more disturbing. and young woman in texas is literally held hostage by the trump administration. walk us through this. undocumented individual, who would otherwise typically have the right to at least medical treatment and care, in this case put up headline. detained immigrant asking full appeals court to let her get this apportion. young woman apprehended, put into a shelter in texas, found out soon thereafter she was pregnant. said immediately i want to terminate this pregnancy. went through the judicial bypass, in texas it s difficult for young women to get abortion, agreed to by judge, scheduled for september 28th and the trump administration began to get involved. still held hostage, denied legal right to terminate a pregnancy, tip of iceberg. trying to make example out of her? obviously she is an example, there is litigation going on and folks involved in trying to help this young woman get the health care she deserves. what is exposing who this administration put in charge of the government. scott lloyd in charge of unaccompanied minors and refugees, personally taking an interest in denying her access to abortion. told the center where she s living she couldn t get medical care and insisted she go to antiabortion center to talk her out of the decision she had made. also a leaked memo from the trump administration claimed by crooked media, they do a podcast and other things, want to take money from women s health care and encourage people to do fertility awareness birth control. there was something called rhythm method, before women had access to birth control. happy to learn from you. don t want to go this direction. keep women from using birth control and use rhythm method and hope for the best. that s crazy right? well, what it results in is of course millions of unintended pregnancies this is the thing. isn t that what they re opposed to? we re at historic low for teenage pregnancy and 30 year low because of the work of planned parenthood and folks who provide birth control. they re trying 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(vo) go national. go like a pro. new allegations tonight that vladimir putin aabusing an international law enforcement organization, interpol, to target a critic and try to bar him from entering the u.s. bill brouder. an american-born financier that works in london and political foe of vladimir putin. trump tower meeting, browder s sanctions in sfons that death. browder is saying that putin is putting him on fugitive list through interpol and thinks that trump administration responded by denying him paperwork he needs to visit the u.s. trump administration is playing against that. but prospect that he s doing anything that putin wants is drawing outrage. pushing to clear it up. top house democrat saying immediately reverse the decision. browder is at center of other russian things. act is new development. did you know what the mcginnity act was? never heard of it. but bill browder has worked to punish putin for years. dedicated years to uncover the truth. bill drbrowder. for years putin s champion but turned into dogged adversary. thank you for joining, i know it s busy time for you. under the trump administration today customs and border patrol put out a statement you have valid authorization. what is your response and what happened to get to this point. first of all, i m not sure it s true. read the statement, based on the time line, they claimed to have cleared it up wednesday the 18th of last wednesday. but i didn t get my revocation of my ability to travel to america until thursday. so i think there s still some issues to be ironed out. i m very happy that the authorities in the u.s. want to solve this problem. they don t want to basically become putin s fall into putin s hands as using becoming a tool for putin to punish me. but this whole incident has left a little bit of a bad taste in my mouth. do you belong on the interpol list? person who belongs on the interpol list is vladimir putin. vladimir putin is a criminal, he s a killer, and he was responsible for covering up the murder of sergey mag nisky, my lawyer killed in police custody in 2009 and crazy and ironic that instead of him as criminal, he tries to label me as criminal and have interpol try to arrest me to be sent back to russia. insanity. you ve been a leader on stuff for a while, sometimes people say kafkaesque to refer to literary criticisms of unjust systems, wondering if have to describe it as putinesque, lawyer died in russian prison under questionable circumstances but reading, new accusation cartoonish details. russian officials say you that you colluded with british agent to cause the death to persuade the russian prison doctors to withhold care. your response. that s about the silliest thing i ve ever heard. and to add one more element to it, according to their version, i did all that terrible stuff and spent the last eight years traveling all over the world fighting for justice and trying to get the people who killed him prosecuted. says to me putin is losing his mind a little bit here. gotten so crazy about the sanctions in place, u.s. m magnitski act. putin hates it so much, starting to go crazy. he has a lot of huge money in the west and this particular piece of legislation potentially freezes and seizes that money. stay with me. bring in former u.s. ambassador to russia, michael mcfaul who spoke out about this as it was breaking. ambassador, your view, latest, trump administration asserting they thought they cleared this up, before browder saying that doesn t add up and claim that maybe the sanctions are hurting vladimir putin s pocketbook. with respect to dhs and state department saying and what bill knows, i m glad they re taking it seriously and should get it cleared up right away. i consider it an embarrassment to my government and country there was any ambiguity about the fact that bill browder should be able to travel to our country. larger thing, of course bill is right. i ve listened to vladimir putin talk about the law. he doesn t like it for all the reasons bill just said. therefore bill is one of his enemies. you see by this action, he will use any means that he can to try to go after his enemies. we need to be vigilant in fighting against them. bill, you ve clashed with the putin government, they remain part of the investigation into among other things trump tower meeting. based on your knowledge, do you believe he was directly orchestrating that infamous meeting at trump tower with trump campaign leadership? i have no doubt in my mind that putin was doing everything he could to try to influence u.s. policy. particularly policy towards these sanctions. when this meeting was set up, when the lawyer got that meeting, you can be absolutely assured that putin was involved in the planning and execution of that meeting. it was too important an interaction for putin not to have been involved in. he s a kgb officer, they don t leave anything to chance, plan everything out to the last detail in the kgb. and you re view is based on your knowledge, that s not something to be freelinessed at lower level and for our viewers, you ve crossed paths with the russian-linked lawyer. do you have biases with her or can you separate the financial differences with how the kremlin runs the operations? i haven t had bias against the lawyer or financial disagreement s with her. i was working with the u.s. department of justice, witness in a criminal and civil case in which the u.s. department of justice froze money from the crime that sergei magnitski witnessed in russia and her company had frozen. when i see a woman representing accused money launderers and she s trying to change u.s. law, this is not bias, it s stating this is absurd that a russian can be running around trying to spend millions of dollars influencing u.s. policy and think that s okay and not report it under any of the reporting guidelines required when you do that stuff in washington. final word from you ambassador. sanctions we hear not enough or irrelevant sometimes is the claim. two things on that. one, economists have tried to measure the impact on the economy and differ on that. everybody believes they re having economic affect on russia. whether 1% of gdp or .5%. everybody sees that. evidence is much easier. why if they re not working is vladimir putin trying so hard to lift them? why sending vesel nit skyia to meet with the trump campaign to talk about lifting sanctions if he doesn t believe they re having an effect? to me it s straightforward they are having an effect. you have a way of cutting through it, even with all the names to keep track of. and bill browder, i know it s late in london, thank you both for joining. thank you. thank you. still ahead, conclusive interview with motley crue s nikki sixx. bottling opioid addiction next on the beat. butch is like an old soul that just hates my guts. 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doing great you. are someone who has not only survived but thrived. let s start with how you got into drugs, why do people turn to drugs. i think people turn to drugs for different reasons. i believe that us addicts are born with this disease, even though there is an invisible line where if you keep using it long enough, you head into serious addiction and it s hard to get back to just using lightly, let s say. for me, it was around lifestyle of rock n roll. a lot of my heros were using drugs and drinking. and i adhered to that. i lived that kind of a lifestyle. and it worked until it quick working. i say that to a lot of addicts that, you know, it does quit until it quits working. and it will quit working eventually. and you ve been a voice for a lot of people. obviously people look up to you. they love your music. music brings people together. you re trying to start a broader conversation. i notice with the reissue of the book, you also have this map on your website, sort of a heat map. and you want people to share their experiences. and we can see the dots around the country. explain that. yeah. well, what s cool about the heat map is people can anonymously go on and plug in their location and write their story or read other people s story. and also you can get a lot of data on the state of the epidemic that we re living in right now. and when you look at this as something that has a policy component, right, how do you compare from your view as an advocate what is going on in the opioid crisis to maybe some of the drugs that were proliferating when you were coming up as a rock star? well, when i was coming up, so far as i know, there were no pill forms of heroin. if there were, i was never introduced to it, thank god. but a lot of people that are dealing with addiction right now, they re dealing with it on a pain pill level. and it s being prescribed to them usually for a good reason, for dealing with pain itself. but then when they re overprescribed and insurance companies are lax in following up on whose giving these prescriptions filled and how many prescriptions can be filled at a time, i know cvs recently talked about only releasing one week worth of pain pills at a time so people can t abuse them and can t also sell them to people who are they re in high demand. they re very expensive. and when people can t get these pills, then they re then going to interest street. and then you re dealing with needles and unregulated drugs. and you have a lot of overdoses there as well with the medications being prescribed. there is a lifestyle aspect to this. but there is also a creative part. as you know, a lot of people in creative industries run into this. yeah. they come from i bayous. sometimes people say yeah, maybe i don t need it. but i think i play better with it, or i m more secretive wi crt and have more fun with it. are you getting more done now when you re sober or how do you compare when you weren t? 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what you promised to do in the first place. stay out of stupid wars and start building this country instead of spending morning tonight yelling schoolyard trash talk at the other kids on the playground. that s hardball right now. thanks for being with us. all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on all in . right now we have so many nuclear weapons, i want them in perfect condition, perfect shape. the president threatens a free press. it s disgusting that the press is able to write what they want to write. reports of an absolute meltdown in the white house. tonight the nuclear dangers with the president on the edge. my attitude is the one that matters. and what to make of his threats to challenge the license of nbc news. then articles of impeachment against donald j. trump. the billionaire donor who wants democrats to pledge they will impeach the president. and an nbc exclusive entire view with the latest weinstein accuser to come forward. he said i have contracts for my next three films here and i will sign them today but i want you to have a threesome with me an my assistant. all in starts right now. good evening new york. i m unstable, losing a step and unraveling, words used by the president s confidant to describe his state of mind, echoing the grave concerns of chairman bob corker, that the president s temperament and current disposition could pose a threat to national security. the white house reached a new level of crisis as the president fumes and lashes out over the stall with the latest agenda and preferred candidate s embarrassing loss in the senate primary. he vented to keith shiller, who recently left the administration telling him, i hate everyone in the white house. there are a few exceptions but i hate them. a white house official denies this. things have gotten so bad that according to one source, steve bannon told people he thinks trump has only a 30% chance of making it the full term. national security leaders he wanted what amounts to a nearly tenfold increase in the u.s. nuclear arsenal during a meeting over the summer. that s according to three officials in the room. the president s comments came in response to a briefing slide he was shown charting the steady reduction of nuclear weapons in the u.s. since the 1960s. according to nbc news, that was the same pentagon meeting that prompted secretary of skate tillerson to called the president moron. the president today disputed nbc s reporting. that was just fake news by nbc which gives a lot of fake interview with the the new york times earlier this week. i don t think he understands that the messages that he sends out, especially when you take into account they re being received in other languages around the world yeah. what that does. i know he s hurt, in several instances he s hurt us as it relates to negotiations that were under way by tweeting things out. corker may have been referring to an incident two ekes ago when tillerson announced that the u.s. is in direct conversation with north korea over its nuclear career. drawing a rebuke from the president saying i told tillerson he s wasting his trying to negotiate with rocketman. save your energy. it s not clear that s an approach the president supports. vii have a little bit differt attitude on north korea than other people might have. your secretary? and i listen to everybody. but ultimately my attitude is the one that matters isn t it? that s the way it works. that s the way the system is. but i think i might have a somewhat different attitude and a different way than other people. i think perhaps i feel stronger and tougher on that subject than other people. ben rhodes serves as the deputy national securitied a vuzer to former president barack obama. that last line, tougher strong nuclear weapons. what do you make of the reporting that we re getting and the president s statements? well, first of all, if you have to go around telling everybody how tough you are, you re probably not. i think that this is an incredibly dangerous moment. we already have a nuclear crisis on the korean peninsula. we have the threat of trump initiating a second nuclear crisis by pulling out of the iran deal. and frankly, he seems to approach issues of nuclear weapons the same way he approaches tweeting about fake news or the nfl. but the transconsequencconseque more severe. and we should all be concerned in which direction he s going to lead us in the korean peninsula and iran. as someone who worked in the white house and dealt with the iran deal and also had to deal with north korea, i wonder what are the conversations like at the highest levels of the white house when you re talking about nuclear weapons? it s something that must hang over and weigh on everyone that is involved in making decisions in the white house. well, chris, first of all, the entire post war architecture that was built after world war ii, essentially exists to prevent the use of nuclear weapons. and the united states at the center of that architecture works to prevent both the spread and use of nuclear weapons. so everything that you re doing any day has as a backdrop the desire to prevent that catastrophic outcome. with respect to iran, that meant looking at what the options were, a diplomatic agreement like the one we reached to prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon. knowing that absent diplomatic agreement the options you re left with is a war with iran or iran obtaining the nuclear weapon. the entire time we were in office we were dealing with a north korean regime that had the nuclear capability. mindful of that we worked to isolate and pressure north korea but were very careful about the types of bluster and threats that he s engaged in that could risk a conflict that could immediately get out of control and prove catastrophic. so these are things that you have to be very careful in addressing. and frankly speak about as senator corker said in very careful language. because around the world people listen very closely to every word the president of the united states says as relates to the nuclear weapons and they re making their decision based on what the u.s. president is saying there. there s an announce thamt the president will decertify the iran agreement this week. and he s doing this despite the fact that people in his own government and republicans in his own party say they re abiding by the toerms of the deal. what do you make of that? it s completely utterly dishonest. it s a lie. iran is complying with the deal. the trump administration certified that twice. jim mattis said they re complying with the deal. general dunford said they re complying with the deal. he likes to listen to generals but now he s ignoring them. he s going against the allies and the views of his own government. iran is complying. they re rolled back their nuclear program. second he s punting the issue to congress who has to make a decision about what to do. if he wanted to kill the iran deal he could do it himself by not waving the sanctions relief that we give to iranians. he s punting this to congress and leaving them with nothing but bad actions. if congress passing new sanctions yoerp won t go along with it, china won t. we ll be isolated and left with a choice as to whether or not to sanction europe and china and russia, there by causing great calamity in the global economy and further isolating us and not the iranians. and the worst case nair jo is iran says we re violating the deal and restart their nuclear program and we re left with war or nuclear iran. and then we also have north korea and iran. a double the amount of the nuclear crises the presidecount faces. thank you. jennifer ruben, a vocal trump critic. jennifer, i want to ask you about the trump deal. but first, sam, here s the irony were peril and paradox. at one point he s describing the president as weak. today he threatened this network with rescinding its broadcasting license which he can t do. these are impotent threats by the president. at the i m time he s currently navigating two different areas of nuclear diplomacy in which he is the president of the united states. yeah. it s a strange paradox. the guy is the president. and you know the real question to me about all of what we re hearing about the leaks that you hear from gabe sherman s piece and bob corker just coming out and saying these thing that s not a leak. that s on the record. why? obviously somebody is trying to send the public a message and the question is, you know, why do we know about what he was talking about in july now. this why were there officials three people in that room. three people in this room willing to tell the story about the president. you think they re sending a message. people are concerned and want the public no know what s going on. i can t imagine they think that this is going to change the president s behavior. i think the idea is that we need to change the behavior of the people around the president. do you agree with that? yeah, i do. the washington post is reporting tonight that one reason that trump is going forth with this decertification strategy, which is not exactly wrecking the jcpoa is that he quote threw a fit when he was asked to and told to certify the deal the last time. they re scrambling around looking for a mechl nichl, not to em bolden us, not to help our allies but to satisfy a person who has become unhinged. a screaming toddler. so now we re taking action in the international realm that could damage our relationships with europe, that could em bolden iran, isolate the united states why? because the president of the united states has a temp every tantrum. i think this is what we ve come to and what is so dangerous. we re making nuclear diplomatic policy because of a desire to avoid a fit of people from the president who doesn t like the fact that he had to certify the deal. and there s a sense i mean to get back to your warning idea, this is interesting, one of the things in vanity fair is bannon telling trump that he thinks that he ll you know, steve bannon told trump the risk to his president was impeachment but the 25th amendment. when bannon mentioned the 25th amendment, trump says, what s that. what s interesting about that is ben is stoking the idea that you don t have anyone loyal around you, you re being circled and enclosed and all of this reporting suggesting that he s more volatile. when bannon left he says he s going to be fight frg the president on the outside. i m not convinced that that s what bannon s agenda is. i m more convinced that bannon is using the president on the outside and unbeknownst that he s fighting for bannon s agenda which is very different than any of the other players involved here. he s more interested in chaos. he doesn t care which way it goes as long as it s chaotic. so i don t know who those three officials are, i have no way of knowing. but if they re in the room as the president of the united states is asking about our nukes and they re going out and telling reporters about it, they want, not necessarily me, but us as a society to understand something that they think it s important for us to understand. that is disturbing in a lot of different ways. jennifer to play devil s advocate for a moment, there have been reports of this a lot. there s reports that the president is seething, brooding. do you feel like there s a qualitative difference here, to sam s point, there s a signal that s trying to be sent, some smoke signal coming it of the white house about the stability of the president of the united states which when you get to when you read the gabe sherman piece, there s a lot of euphemisms being used about the fitness of the man. i think there is a quality of difference. gabe sherman s piece if accurate and i have no reason to doubt it. he s a strong reporter is that he has gotten worse. it s unraveling. this is deterioration of the president s mood and ability to function in the job. i do think first of all his behavior is worsening and secondly i think the concern of people around him is certainly worsening and that s why you have people in the military who you could never imagine in any other circumstances leaving what is called the tank where these very high level discussions take place and going to the media with their concerns about the president. and the questions that i have are fist where are the rest of the republicans other than corker. telling him just to make nice with the president . and secondly, where is the vice president of the united states. he has a constitutional obligation to the country. he shouldn t be running around to football stadiums making political gestures. he needs to get in there and satisfy himself that the president is incapacitated or kpas ta kpas tated and proceed from there. the president just tweeting network news as become so partisan distorted and faked that licenses should be challenged. that at 8:09. mr. president if you are watching right now, that s not the way it works. many thanks to you both. next colonel lawrence wilkerson on the dangers of having a president described as unstable and unraveling in charge of nuclear weapons. that in two minutes. with maximum strength alka seltzer plus liquid gels. hey? i paused it. bam, family time. so how is everyone? find your awesome with xfinity xfi and change the way you wifi. do you know donald trump s position on nuclear weapons? no? you re not alone. try to decipher this. it is an absolute last stance. and you know, i use the word unpredictable. you want to be unpredictable. i would be a very slow trigger. can you tell the middle east we re not using nuclear weapons. i would never say that. not going to take my cards off of the table. how about in europe. i m not going to take it off of the table. you might use it in europe? no, i don t think so. japan has a big problem. maybe they would be better off if they defend themselves from north korea. with nukes? including with nukes, yes. i think that once the nuclear alternative happens, it s over. at the same time i have to be prepared. i can t take anything off of the table. here to discuss the actions that the top republican put us on this path to colin paul. colonel, do you feel confident that the structures in place are holding as this president navigates both north korea and now moves to decertify the iran deal? i certainly hope they are, chris, because both moves are extremely dangerous and his recent comments on nuclear weapons, which you ve highlighted, are extremely disturbing to me. because when president george w. bush, whom i served, as you know, withdrew from the anti-ballistic missile treaty, colonel powell had to rush off to berlin and london and ultimately moscow and placate all of those people who thought that things were turning really dangerous. the result of that was the moscow treaty and a really huge slash in both the soviet union then russia s stockpile and our stockpile. so the trend was positive. the trend was downward. to hear a president talking about not only modernization and security and all of the things that we talk about all of the time, but actually increasing the number of nuclear weapons is very disturbing, especially in light of the fact that you re looking at a china that might be trying to establish a second strike capability and then russia who might be looking at us, okay, all bets are off, let s go after our nuclear stockpile too. very dangerous. what would the consequences be for the world if the president moves to decertify and congress pulls us out of the deal or stops the iran deal. what do you see as the consequences of that action? we become as angela merkel hinted at earlier this year, even more trustworthy. the second consequence is all of the talks that are going on now, secret or otherwise with north korea or might go on will have a huge impediment because north korea will look at that and other things that think that we re totally untrust wore think. i can walk you through a likely scenario for ultimate war in the region with iran and i think that would be a disaster, as general anthony zin any said, would make iraq a disaster there from 2003 on pale in comparison. iran is much bigger, 70 million plus, 51% are persian. and we would turn all of those young people in iran, which is probably half of the population, we would turn them immediately against the united states. but that s the outcome of things like what john bolton and other conservatives want, is war. as someone who has operated some of the highest levels of the american government and in diplomacy and in the u.s. armed forces, there is a kind of hope that mattis and kelly and mcmaster, the generals are going to essentially protect the country from the president. do you think, a, that s credibly how they view their roles and, b, what do you make of that as the posture of the men around the president? i don t think that was the way any one of the three viewed their roles in the beginning. i think that with varying degrees with each of them, it s becoming their view. i think that we have a real problem with three of the national security establishments most important people being general officers. when you put that together with the fact that apparently we have a president who is willing to do and say almost anything at any given point in time, i m really worried. it looks like a dangerous situation. i m waiting for one of those individuals to wake up one morning, have a cup of coffee, grab him and say what am i doing here. what do you mean by that? you mean quitting? well, you ve got a situationy y where you have a choice. you can stay and continue to try to convince yourself that you are the person between the bomb and reality or you really aren t helping that much and you re going to have a problem convincing yourself that you should stay. i mean to a lesser degree, i went through this with colin powell. you convince yourself that you re essential. that whoever comes in after you will be worse than you and so you stay. and i m sure that john and jim and h.r., yeah, have that conversation with themselves. i hope they do, any way. because as one of your guests said, this is becoming apparent that this president has something loose somewhere. colonel lawrence wilkerson, thank you for your time. thank you. ahead an nbc news exclusive, harvey weinstein accuser on the time she had to flee from weinstein s hotel room. mine s way better. this one s below market price and has bluetooth. same here, but this one has leather seats! use the cars.com app to compare price, features and value. the flu, and its complications, needs to hear it. can be deadly. especially for those with a chronic medical condition. ask your health care provider for a senior flu shot. do it today. before the flu becomes an emergency. the worst wildfires in california s history are raging out of control tonight causing a stunning degree of destruction. even for a state that tends to suffer from wildfires this time of the year. thousands of people are being evacuated. the fires wipe out entire neighborhoods in northern california. 2 is people have died. hundreds of people still unaccounted for. more than 500 in sonoma county alone. officials caution many of those people may be safe but without communication. while the firefighters deal with the catastrophe in california, the full disaster in puerto rico is coming to focus. 45 deaths have been officially accounted. medical workers impatient saying that intense medical crisis exists, communication and electrical crisis. only 15% of the island have electricity. availability of drinking water is at dangerous levels. congress is expected to pass a $38 million aid package for areas affected by hurricanes and the current wildfires. part of it will go to puerto rico. but the massive relief bill cancels $16 billion in debt but not for puerto rico. no. the debt relief instead goes to the national flood insurance program which has been in the red for a while in which covers homeowners who build in flood zones. but puerto rico which is already more than $70 billion in debt will get zero debt relief. instead, get this, they will get a nearly $5 billion loan. which means puerto rico gets more debt as it struggles for survival. both parties, republicans and democrats are poised to punish the americans of puerto rico for being victims of disaster even more than we ve done that through government incomp tension. they re going to charge them a leasing fee for the life raft as they drown. can you imagine telling texas or florida the same? 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well when i laughed he got angry and he said you ll never make it in this business. this is how this industry works. how do you think so and so, so and so, so and so got to where they are today. and just started yelling at me. and so at that point i fled from the room. i was scared at that point because he is a very domineering man, very large domineering man, very loud. sorry. so at that point i left, took off, went to the elevator. and sorry. don t be. his assistant called me a couple of times after that, that night. and i didn t respond because i was just devastated, you snow. msnbc s stephanie ruhle conducted that interview, a great interview. joins me now. incredible work. incredible for her to come on camera and tell that story. she doesn t have to tell her story. right. yeah. what happened to her desire to be an actress in the industry? she believed him. if you re a 24-year-old girl and one of the most powerful men in hollywood when you watch the oscars is thanked by the most famous men and women in hollywood and this guy propositions if you for sex and says this is how hollywood works or you ll never make anytime this town, someone like dawn gives up and changed career aspirations. this is a key part of this story. there s lots of stories of that. this is a way in which systematically women he said you ll never work in this town and he convinced young women who may have gone on to incredible careers or fulfillment of their talent to leaf. this is an industry where a big giant guy like harvey weinstein would make your dreams come through. or crush them. or crush them. who was she going to go to? her agent? she didn t have an agent and even if she did her agent would have said ieds love a meeting with harvey weinstein. would she go to the police? he didn t rape her. who was going to believe her. she was a 23, 24-year-old girl who was an aspiring actress. now they ve got power in numbers. now this extraordinary reporting by ronan farrow and the the new york times have come out and now harvey weinstein says i m going to go into therapy? one of the things that s come out in the reporting of ronan farrow of the new york times, is the sameness of the m.o. oh wait, which one was that? i ve now read that account 15 times. and the fact that he he created a factory. he pro he employed his o to become a factory to produce opportunities for him to do this. and the industry allowed it. just think about it. the fact that there was a joke at the oscars about it. the fact that 30 rock made jokes about it to you and i might be stunning because it s an stray that s near us but we re not part of. but imagine when she first met harvey weinstein, she viewed his assistant as her aid. well i knew he was a predator and i knew he had that casting couch reputation. so she thought if his assistant is going to be there, she ll be my safety net. meanwhile the assistant was helping him, the honey pott all along. and i said would you call his assistant now. she had her number in her phone. in res tro spekt, the assistant is a victim of the system too. this is someone with tremendous power who is implicating everyone in this. so like everyone has a little piece of the guilty as a means almost of protecting himself. because who could turn him in. if the assistant turns in anyone, she s implicated. what human resources department are you going to go to. and for the board to say this is inhuman, we re aghast. i m sorry, chris. you didn t think they knew? 21st century fox has shareholders saying you made millions of dollars of settlements, how come we didn t know. the board knew. how does a private company as small as weinstein and company, how did the board members not know. excellent reporting. coming up, the house of representatives came this close to voting on whether to impeach the president of the united states. what happened coming up. plus alabama s roy moore rides again in tonight s thing 1 thing 2 next. thing 1 tonight typically when we think of a charity we think of an appeal to our better instringss like the forstalling of selfishness and greed. roy moore who said homosexual conduct should be illegal, muslims should not be allowed to serve in the congress. he has a charity. on the website it was announced that moore would take the title of president emeritus of the foundation. now it s not unheard of and often typical for top executives the a nonprofit to collect a salary but alledgedly not roy moore. the charity employs his children and moore s wife who was pads $190,000 over three years, the washington post reports that moore once said publicly he did not take a regular salary from the small charity he founded. you ll never guess who was paid over $1 million from that charity. that s thing 2 in 60 seconds. that s why i rent from national. where i get the control to choose any car in the aisle i want, not some car they choose for me. which makes me one smooth operator. ah! still a little tender. 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thank you for having me on. with a few facts usually have much speculation. which caused us to make these comments. no one asked me to pull anything, i went to the floor intending to do exactly what i did because i wanted american public to have the opportunity to understand what impeachment is all about and what the articles of impeachment are all about. rules allow a person presenting a privileged resolution to have the opportunity to have it heard that day or within the next two days. i chose not to do that because i want people to know what is going on. at some point in the future i ll come back for a vote. reporting i ve read said that democratic leadership, including nancy pelosi didn t like the idea, didn t want democrats on record for impeachment, didn t think it was tactically smart. didn t want to force a vote at this time. you re denying it s true? that s absolutely not true. this is one of those rare occasions. speaker pelosi did not ask me to pull anything, neither did anyone else in leadership. this is a decision i made before i went to the floor. but wait a second. it is your belief as i watched the speech, you believe this is genuinely clear and present danger. president genuinely unfit. seem sincere in the belief, articulated it before. if that s case, why windup and not go through with it. why not force the issue? impeachment takes place from the ground up and american people have to get involved and american people hearing us tonight will know this can be done. they also need to know impeachment can take place without the president committing a crime. that s been put into the minds of the public and we have to deal with that. this is an opportunity to educate people to know what impeachment really entails. andrew johnson in 1868, one of the articles of impeachment did not allege a crime. 10. pickering, first to be impeached, for things other than committing a crime. most of the people were impeached for things that didn t involve committing a crime. this is a chance to educate the public which we must do. there is a lot of misinformation out there. phrase that everyone knows is high crimes and misdemeanors but you re right, there s precedent it doesn t mean a crime in the sense of the courts. article 10 for johnson, congress didn t like the way johnson talked about congress. insulted them and ran them down. exactly. so there s precedent but also seems to me that modern understanding of it is that it s crime. to reach for that particular tool threatens unwinding of the basic political norms in the country. what do you say to people who say that? most of the people who say that have rationales other than original intent. if you want to talk about what the framers of the constitution intended, probably the actions that took place close to the time when they were there, many of them alive when john pickering was impeached, probably best indication what original intent was. a good many people don t understand. will conflate what can happen in judicial aspect of a crime, meaning you have to go to court, proof beyond a reasonable doubt. that s not impeachment. it is a political process. constitutional fact. process of the house. that s absolutely correct. thanks for being with me. representative green not only liberal pressing for impeachment. $91 million supporting democrats in 2016 cycle sent a letter to fellow democrats calling for impeachment and saying public needs to know where every single democrat stands on the issue. tom steyer. there is an argument this is tactically short sded or fool hardy because if you turn into impeachment, you will strengthen the president s base and become radio active if it s on the ballot in the midterms. but that s not the question we ve been asking ourselves. because the question we ve been asking ourselves, is this president a clear and present danger to the american people? if he is, which we absolutely believe he is, and if he s violated the public trust, then in fact don t we have to take action and do the right thing. not do a political calculation for what is going to happen 14 months from now? we re trying to say it s time to step up and do the right thing, not do polling to figure out smart thing for the election cycle when the health and safety of american citizens are at risk. i have to ask you this, people theorized the following, that you re planning to run for senate, diane feinstein s senate seat. she s running again. and it s jungle primary system in california, this will give you wedge issue to use against her as incumbent democrat. what do you say to that? if you go back and check the record, we called for impeachment several months ago. what we re saying now is, it s time for democrats to step up and say where they stand on this, whether this president has to go now. in fact saying it to every elected member of congress and senate. go on the record to say whether we can afford to let this president stay in power longer or isn t it time for him to go. that absolutely poses the question to senator feinstein, where does she stand? and every other elected democrat. isn t it time for us to oppose a president who presents a clear and present danger to the american people? are you going to run for that senate seat? i have said i am going to try to figure out how to have the most positive impact in the crisis that we re in. i haven t ruled anything out, including running for office. but the fact of the matter is, what we re talking about today is try to protect the american people from a president who is clearly dangerous to them, unfit to hold office and which every democrat will say privately that s true. question is when are we going to go on the record and start pushing the country towards where we know we have to go, remove the man from office. question becomes, do you think it s a political possibility? can you imagine that happening before the midterms? i guess the idea is, lot of people think that only thing that would allow that to happen would be a democratic majority in house and senate and those that think that going on the record would hurt or help those efforts. are you saying you think it s possibility within the next whatever, 14 months? i see this differently from the way that those calculations imply. what i see is this, we have 14 months between now and midterm elections. assumption in all the calculations is world would be essentially static and safe. it s just not true. fact of the matter is, i don t believe we can stand pat for 14 months, cross our fingers and toes and help like heck that the world is going to be okay. fact of the matter is we re in grave danger and it s time for us to act, not sit there and hope it turns out okay because that works for us politically. tom steyer, whose home state is ablaze right now. would looking you to have back
presumption that general kelly was somehow better than what we ve seen in the white house already. he s had a terrible, very bad month, but then again, most of this administration has been a series of unfortunate and absolutely avoidable mistakes. i think the greatest problem that we saw with the attack on the member of congress is, this was not a tit for tat, this was not a back and forth. this was a member of congress expressing her concerns about how the president spoke to a constituent of hers who gave his life for this country, and she was attacked for that, and john kelly lied, and trump lied, and it perpetuated their tendency to attack black women, whether it s jemele hill, susan rice or ryan, and that reflects the administration. it s a terrible month, but it s a reflection of a terrible administration. i m not surprised to see this behavior continue. meanwhile, we have to get more details about what happened in niger, and we now that we have the congresswoman saying that this might be this administration s benghazi. the details are still the big issue here, because we do not know about the mission, how it was authorized, and the purpose. that s right. and i mean, as this political conflict continues, there is a big question, and there are a lot of questions coming from lawmakers about what exactly happened here. was there an intelligence failure? why were they in this location? and we just don t have the answers yet. we don t have a full sort of accounting on what happened, and i think that is a big piece of this going forward into this week. i think it s certainly likely that we could continue to see more of this political conflict, but in theory, we are also going to hear more about get more calls for information about what happened and potentially more detail there. and we know with senator lindsey graham kind of giving hi besh lee hype yesh lee or rhetoric about what this means, he was on meet the press today kind of clarifying his remarks about the importance of why we need to have an eye on this part of the world. take a look. what happened in afghanistan vulnerabilities to terrorist actors, and of course, the vulnerabilities of other governments to terrorists. so you know, when senator graham says that this is the next hotspot and to expect more, not less u.s. involvement in africa in the future, you know, i think people ought to listen to that and believe that he knows what he s talking about. meanwhile, we have the president continuing this feud with congresswoman wilson. senate republicans passing a budget proposal, a key step forward on tax reform. does this really threaten to derail the republican efforts on tax reform and other legislative initiatives, the big work that needs to be done, while people focus on a war of words of trump and wilson? i think what we know is it s certainly a distraction. we spent a week where most of the attention and a lot of the president s commentary and attention has been on this political fight, rather than what he has stated is his biggest domestic goal, which is doing something around taxes. and i mean, i think what we re looking to now going into this week is, is that going to change or is it going to continue? is it still going to be a big part of the conversation as opposed to tax policy and how he wants to reform that? jason, what about the initiative moving forward? we got earlier a report to nbc, confirmation that the president is going to join a call at 4:30 today to talk about budget and tax reform. we know he s going to be with senate republicans on tuesday. how big of a push can he make in kind of the cult of personality on trump on this? well, he can make a big push. look, the president s main job is to rally congress around whatever his agenda is. the problem that many members of congress have been facing is the president seems so easily distracted, and he also has a tendency to attack the very same people that he s working with. so, when he makes this call, it s not just, look, we ve got to deliver this new budget, we ve got to start pushing through tax reform because that s what we promised our constituents he s got to pledge that he won t attack them, throw somebody against them in a primary. to be honest, if republicans can t get this done now, if they can t get something accomplished in this session, they re not going to do anything next year in an election year. and the president needs to be made aware of that or it s a waste of time. thank you. appreciate your time. we have spent a lot of time talking about the back and forth of president trump and congresswoman wilson and what it means to respect gold star families. so, coming up, i m going to be speaking to one of my friend s daughters. we lost sergeant john quinlan in service in 2007. his daughter, keelie, who s 21, all grown up now, and she s written a really riveting article for teen vogue about the take a knee controversy in this country. we speak to her next. stay with me. we got a yes! what does that mean for purchasing? 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well, i think the real issue is all of the assumptions being made. i don t know if trump fully understands what it means to sacrifice the things that i have or the other gold star families have as well, you know, especially for him to say he s also made sacrifices. i personally took a lot of offense to that. i wish he knew what it felt like to, you know, miss your father for like half of your childhood and now the rest of my life. and yeah, the politicization is honestly so offensive. when you think about the defense of a call or a president reaching out and sometimes a family would rather have privacy. yeah. i know in your case there was not a call from president bush? there wasn t a call. i believe we got a letter. my mom wasn t able to find it. i asked her last night to see if she could pull it up, but just couldn t find it. and the family was invited to the white house because the funeral was in arlington. we were yeah, because we were in d.c., but we were just too tired. there was you know, when you re going through something so emotionally draining as having lost someone, i just, i don t think it would have been the right moment either. i remember that funeral vividly. yeah. because i was there with my family, and seeing your family, it s one of the hardest days. it was. and knowing your dad, because your dad was so great. if you knew john quinlan, he was this fiery redhead, so funny, always tearing around on his bmx bike, and they had a great driveway, the quinlans did, growing up. and he was always racing up and down doing tricks and playing heavy metal music, which was funny and creepy, and your dad had a great sense of humor, but he gave you great respect for the military. so when it comes to taking a knee, it s nfl sunday, there will be players doing that. you wrote the piece and talked about what the flag means and also why john died basically fighting for their right to do so. for their right to protest. i mean, the problem i had with people using fallen troops and veterans even as a guise for ignorance and as a guise to be able to look away from the events that were actually happening. the protest wasn t even about the anthem. it wasn t about the flag. it was the fact that unarmed black people are being killed at a highly much higher rate than any other group. and the fact that they were taking offense to that protest as being an insult to the flag and anthem i think speaks volumes to the things that they believe stand for that. you also talk in your piece in teen vogue about our comfort levels are being pushed. yes. because we are showing up to something or we re being forced to have to learn something yeah. that takes us out of our comfort zones and remind us of the realities of what s going on. definitely, and i think when people watch the nfl, you know, they re expecting entertainment, they want to watch a game, but in the real world, things are going on, and i applaud colin kaepernick for taking a knee. i really do, and everyone else who did as well, because he s basically almost sacrificed his entire career, you know? no one s hiring him. it hurts me that he has to now go through this just to call attention to a systemic issue that no one wants to talk about. so, you re 21 years old, right? yes. which is amazing to think about. look at this, keely quinlan now 21 years old. oh, weird. john passed when you were 10. yeah. you have two younger sisters. yeah. how s your mom doing? how s the family doing? good. because when it comes to the realities of gold star families, we get to learn names, but we don t get to know about life and times. yeah. afterwards. and the simple things. yeah. i mean, on a day dauy basis, it s become a little bit easier now. it s been ten years. but i mean, with all this in the media now, it s like almost opening a wound every time i get on twitter to see how the president s insulted gold star families today. and it also takes a toll on, you know, my mom and my family, i think. it almost puts us through the ringer. it s opening another wound again and again and again. so, i just with the chief of staff being john kelly and, you know, his experience of being a member of you know, the fact that he lost his son, gold star family member, is it confusing at all to think of the president maybe using some type of manipulation of this man or his service and his loss to explain away how he would perform a condolence call? well, i think for the condolence call and for them to question why the congresswoman was there i mean, she was a friend of theirs. and for them to exploit that and then say they shouldn t have reacted in that way, it s very odd to me. it s very odd and divisive. and the way that it was i don t know how to phrase this. it just there was nothing right about it. the way that it s been described yeah, the way, yeah. and the comfort that families get from those calls, we can t federally regulate those types of emotions. yeah. we didn t get a call. we got a letter, so, and we weren t offered $25,000. like. and it also is awful that the white house is claiming that the check is in the mail and they ve not received anything. so those open-ended promises, the continual, like dragging through the mud, it s just, enough is enough. well, i know your dad and grandma kate was my fifth grade teacher who gave me a d in math, by the way. i might as well tell that to the world. i know they re looking down and smiling and how proud they are of you, and i am, too. oh, geez. i love you, keely, and thank you for sharing your story. i no longer live with the uncertainties of hep c. wondering, what if? 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well, thomas, i m not sure in this case if the question is necessarily going to be about his well, i guess it will be about his personality insomuch as there s some nervousness on capitol hill about whether or not that personality we ve come to know so well is going to derail tax reform somewhere along the way. there s increasing momentum, i think, behind a bill in the broad strokes. there are a lot of republicans who are feeling a lot of pressure about needing to get this done and get this done as soon as possible, and there s been some forward movement on timing for republicans. mick mulvaney, for example, was talking this morning on the sunday shows about mark meadows, the freedom caucus, for example, saying that it s okay to accept the senate budget that was just passed last week, at least for the most part. that may not seem like a big deal, but it shaves perhaps about two weeks off of the timeline. and with less than a month in legislative days to go before the new year, that means a lot for republicans who are trying to get this done. the challenge for tax reform and part of why i think the details of what the president gets into on this call are going to be important if he gets into any of them, because any one of these smaller things could potentially threaten to derail the entire package. for example, there s some conversations about how much americans would be able to put in 401(k)s, for example. the president has expressed some frustration every time he s been confronted, according to reporting, about something that might hurt middle class taxpayers in this bill. he doesn t want to do that, but there are some on capitol hill who feel differently about some of these individual measures. so, there s both, i think, reason for the republicans who care about this, there s reason to be optimistic, but the president is a big wild card, and you know, it s not 100% clear to a lot of them where he s going to land on so many things. there s so many opportunities for this to be derailed, thomas. how influential, kasie, is the tethering of a chief of staff kelly for donald trump at such a pivotal time when we know that doing something in tax reform is a big deal for him? i think general kelly you know, i think the question is going to be does he move beyond this in a way that allows him to continue to play the role that many on capitol hill had come to understand him playing. he essentially has been acting as a gatekeeper, something of a disciplinarian, and that is going to be a very important role in kind of guiding something as big as tax reform through the congress and in helping the president understand, you know, there are the president is still, republicans will say, relatively new to the governing process. there are a lot of unseen land mines in a bill that is as big as tax reform. the president could say something on twitter or say something in an interview that he may not realize could jeopardize the whole enterprise, but you know, he could go there by accident anyway. and so, i think there s a sense on the hill that kelly plays a very important role in minimizing those kinds of events, and i think the question is going to be, in the wake of the past week, he s clearly under pressure still from democrats to come out and say something publicly about his remarks about congresswoman wilson. is he going to come out of this a diminished figure with less power and sway with the president? i would say that, you know, white house insiders don t necessarily think that that s what s going to happen here because, you know, this is a situation where kelly clearly went out there in defense of the president. that was a very public demonstration of the dhind the president typically understands, but i do think there s still a little bit of a question mark from folks on capitol hill. when we think about this call happening at 4:30, we know by 7:00 tonight, you will have worked your deep bench of sources. fingers crossed. so explain what you have coming up this evening. thomas, we have a great discussion planned with an all-veterans panel, general barry mccaffrey, the iraq and afghan veterans, and ray mavis, former secretary of the navy. we ll dig into the latest on what happened in niger and all of the political questions surrounding that. we ll also talk a lot of politics and what s coming up next this week on capitol hill. it s going to be a very critical couple of weeks for a series of major issues, including first tax reform, also health care, what about d.r.e.a.m.er kids, for example. that s another thing that s on the docket for congress. we ll also talk a little bit about steve bannon. i have a panel of journalists planning to join me. we ll also talk to joe manchin, senator from west virginia, and the virginia governor, terry mcauliffe. that s the next race coming here. ralph northam, tdemocrat runnin in a close contest. former president obama getting on the campaign trail there. looking forward to that. congratulations on the new show kasie dc. we ll see you tonight. what s in store for democrats approaching the midterm elections? yes, kasie s going to be getting into that tonight, but we had house minority leader nancy pelosi talking with a.m. joy earlier today and the role of women. women are watching, women are showing up, women marched, women are running for office. we have to win. this time it s his turn. you have 4.3 minutes to yourself. this calls for a taste of cheesecake. new philadelphia cheesecake cups. rich, creamy cheesecake with real strawberries. find them with the refrigerated desserts. 40 million americans are waking up to a gillette shave. and at our factory in boston, 1,200 workers are starting their day building on over a hundred years of heritage, craftsmanship and innovation. today we re bringing you america s number one shave at lower prices every day. putting money back in the pockets of millions of americans. as one of those workers, i m proud to bring you gillette quality for less, because nobody can beat the men and women of gillette. gillette - the best a man can get. reasons why kaepernick is being left off nfl rosters currently. we ve filed under the collective bargaining agreement. and one of the reasons we did that is because colin specifically wants to get back on the field and play. i think you ve seen during this past week, we filed exactly a week ago, almost to the hour, and since then, some of the owners have met in new york, and the owner of his former team, jed york, came out and said specifically that he didn t think that the nfl owners should be intimidated by the president s tweets, and neither do we. we think that that is one of the reasons why he hasn t been signed. all right, so, let s give you an update on the boys of summer, as we get into fall. with last night, the astros beating the yankees in game seven of the american league championship, 4-0, the dodgers now facing off against the astros in this year s world series. pretty wild matchup that s going to be. so, back to politics. with republicans potentially facing what could be a very tough election for the 2018 midterms. we had house minority leader nancy pelosi on msnbc earlier with my colleague, joy reid, and pelosi believes that democrats can be successful at taking back the majority. this is when we get a team, they don t. this is when you see their retirements, because members of congress who formally just had an easy run of it will have a tougher one, and they know there s the prospect of serving in the minority. so you will see a number of retirements on their side. all right, so far, about a dozen republicans in the house and senate opted not to seek re-election in 2018, but is that really going to make a difference? i m going to bring in our panel. former gop representative tatum jolly and democratic strategist peter emerson. gentlemen, good to have you with me. congressman jolly, i want to begin with you because you ve got a lot of people and their ears perked up. as a former representative for florida s 13th district, when you told lawrence o donnell that the nation could be better off if the dems take back office in 2018. i want to remind the folks at home. take a look. i personally as a republican in the past few weeks have wondered, is the republic safer if democrats take over the nous 2018? we do know that we have a president who very well might put this nation at risk, and this republican congress has done nothing to check his power. democrats could, and we might be better off as a republic if they take the house in 2018. so, i want your assessment, sir, about the safer aspect to democratic control in the house. sure. explain that. the stability of a divided government when you have a president and the executive branch who is continually volatile, right? we hear stories of his national security team almost having to baby sit him at times. and we also know there is very little articulatable agenda of the republicans right now. listen, i did not wake up and become a democrat. frankly, there s no room in the democratic party for a center-right, i suppose mainstream conservative like myself, but i do worry about where this president s taking us, and we know divided government has a way to bring to a halt some of the radicalization and normalization of what we re seeing in the trump white house, and frankly, republicans have failed to step up to it. and in failing to step up to it, i believe they have put our nation at risk. peter, you were shaking your head there as congressman jolly was talking about his views or being of center-right. and where are the democrats lacking? because it seems the midterms are never a good time for democrats, and the voters for them are not going to be overly engaged, or are they because of president trump? well, you would think after a major failure, a major defeat, the democratic party, as with an individual, would do some soul-searching and some house-cleaning. instead, the only thing that s happened is hillary clinton has written a book posing the question what happened? and the questions are woefully, woefully inadequate. we have no boldness in terms of our policy, we have no leadership in the democratic party. we re relying entirely on criticizing donald trump. and the best thing we ve come up with that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars is a slogan called a better deal, which is more appropriate for a sale at a local furniture store than galvanizing democrats across the country. and i wish representative jolly could join the democratic party. we should have an all-inclusive tent, and he should be part of that, because i agree with everything he said about the nature of the instability of this presidency. yeah, a better deal s like a retailmenot.com. exactly. but congressman jolly, the importance of the president to maintain what he has in terms of the house and the senate for 2018. there aren t great legislative accomplishments. no. but he can try to get something done with having both of those things much better than he can if the democrats take over. well, certainly, but at the same time, listen, i have always had concern about the president s policies as well. i took to the house floor when he was a candidate and called for the muslim ban, i called for him to drop out of the race. i don t think he reflects traditional republican values, and so when i see republicans on capitol hill enabling him, i have the same frustration. but to the point earlier listen, democrats have to make some hard decisions here. is it enough to simply run against trump expecting this wave in 18? or how do you handle two clear issues the gun issue, right? we know that a year ago, democrats were having a sit-in in the house, but coming off of vegas, chuck schumer has said to the senators, let s not have gun control amendments right now because they re too sensitive going into the 18 cycle. we also know this question of impeachment is going to come up and will be a litmus test for many progressives when they are looking at democratic candidates. and yet, i think you ll hear pelosi and schumer say let s not go that far on impeachment just yet. 25th amendment. 25th amendment. and we must, must remember that elections are won or lost in the marketplace of emotions, and democrats have not struck that chord of emotions with the vast majority of americans. no, we have not learned that yet for the democratic side. the republican side, the president definitely hits emotions. polls a the lot of times and puts it out on twitter, 140 characters or less. peter, we ll ask you to stick around. former representative david jolly, always nice to have you on air. great to be with you. so, it is a hallmark of his rallies and a favorite phrase since the campaign trail. it was fake news. it was a total phony story. all i can say is it s totally fake news. call it fake media. it s fake. fake news? so much fake news. all right, so, newsmakers, newfakers, how many americans really believe news organizations are lying when it comes to the president? new polling results could surprise you. stay tuned. yep. free waffles, can t go wrong. i like it. promote that guy. get the lowest price on our rooms, guaranteed. when you book direct at choicehotels.com. book now. tech: don t wait for a chip like this to crack your whole windshield. with safelite s exclusive resin, you get a strong repair that you can trust. plus, with most insurance a safelite repair is no cost to you. customer: really?! singers: safelite repair, safelite replace. if you wear a denture, you not only want a clean feeling every day, you want your denture to be stain free. did you know there s a specialty cleanser that s gentle enough for everyday use and cleans better than regular toothpaste? try polident cleanser. it has a four in one cleaning system that kills ten times more odor causing bacteria than regular toothpaste, deep cleans where brushing may miss, helps remove tough stains, and maintains the original color of your dentures when used daily. for a cleaner, fresher, brighter denture, use polident every day. the fake news media, you ve heard it before. that is how president trump labels just about any news outlet in america that is not conservative leaning. but it may be more than just a name. yeah, it could be sticking. in this new poll from politico and morning consultants shows nearly half of voters think that the media could be making up stories about the president. now, today the president tweeted his approval, saying, it is finally sinking through. 46% of people believe major national news orgs fabricate stories about me. fake news, even worst! lost cred. nbc news national political correspondent steve kornacki joins us with a breakdown about those exact numbers. steve? well, you know, look, the president, we know that he has made attacking the news media a central part of his political strategy, a central part of his messaging, and this is a heck of a finding here about the effect that that might be having. check this out. new poll here asking a question, do major news organizations look at the word here do they fabricate? that s a very strong word. do they fabricate stories about president trump? and look at the finding. 46% of the country, 46% of americans in this survey say they believe that major news organizations fabricate stories about this president. a smaller number, 37% say they don t think that s the case. there is, as you might expect on this, there is a pretty severe party split on this. we can take you through that. look, start among republicans. basically, three out of four republicans believe that the media, the major national media, is fabricating stories about trump. among democrats, most notable, about 20% one in five democrats also say they believe this is the case. and when you look at independents, it s a plurality, 44% of independents say they believe that the media is fabricating stories about president trump. now, we should note, there is a little bit of ambiguity here in terms of the wording of this. you know, donald trump is out there. he likes to say fake news, fake news media, don t believe it. so maybe this reflects that breaking through and resonating with some people. we should say, though, this is asking about major news organizations. there are a lot of news organizations out there, some on the left, some on the right, some in the middle, that could be considered major news organizations, so it does raise a question. look at 209% of democrats. do they think that the fabrications are working in trump s favor or working against trump? so, there s some ambiguity here. but again, it s a huge party split. that is a pretty serious word to use there, fabrication, and that finding, i think whatever side you re on, that s a pretty surprising finding. 46% of americans say they think the major media is fabricating stories about this president. back to you. all right, steve, thank you. and those are fascinating numbers, right? so we re going to break them down. peter is still here, and also former congressman jolly join me on the other side of this break. stay with me. whoooo. now a safe bet. because tripadvisor searches. .over 200 booking sites - so you save up to 30% on the. .hotelock it in. tripadvisor. welcome back, everybody. we are talking about fake news and just how many americans believe the president s allegations against the media. here to sort out these issues, former congressman david jolly and democratic strategist peter emerson. just to put it out there, we are all real people in a real capacity, flesh and bone and everything like that and i am not here to lie to you. but as we look at these numbers, we can kind of pull away a few facets as we look into where the country feels. and again, this is about major news organizations and the question of fabricating stories about trump with 20% saying yes, democrats, 76% of republicans say yes. this is huge when we think about this. and former congressman jolly, let me just ask you, for the gop, who can see and believe things for themselves, just coming out of the president s mouth, 76% of them still would say that news organizations are lying about how they report on him. look, it s a favorite tool of the right to criticize the media, and it s a safe place for many republicans. and i think the president s just doubling down on that. but i would also point out that 46% is exactly the amount of the popular vote that donald trump got. so, it may be we re just seeing some type of affinity between those who voted for donald trump or are sympathetic to his policies. but the reason the press is skeptical and needs to be is this is a president who has lied repeatedly from the time he became a candidate, from mexico paying for the wall to having health care on day one to this week saying he d contacted every gold star family. we need a media to be skeptical of this president because he s continued to lie, and the media, ultimately, can hold him more accountable at times than his base will ever do. peter, one of the bigger numbers that you found more interesting is the 17%, right? the people undecided. undecided. they just don t know. it s either really hopeful or it s really, really disturbing that 17% of americans, at least in that poll, have not made up their mind whether the president s fabricating. what it does prove is that the president is a marketer. he s not a businessman. it s clear. he went $900 million in debt as a businessman. he s a superb marketer, and the two basic rulst of markes of mad advertising are consistency and frequency, and that s all he does. if we can put the poll back up and just look at the way this comes out, and we think about this question specifically about news organizations fabricating stories, basically, they think we are marketing these fabrications about the president and kind of pulling out of thin air whatever we want. because he s saying that, regularly, consistently, frequently. and so, i think as representative jolly pointed out, there is a core base that no matter what he says or does, whether he lies, cheats or steals, they re with him and they re driving some of these poll findings. we don t actually know the demographics of that poll. so even though there may be a statistically balanced response, we really don t know. so i m not that worried. what i am worried about is the fact that the majority of americans, republicans, democrats, independents, libertarians, do not trust the basic institutions of america any longer, including the media. but isn t it funny, though, congressman jolly, the fact that the president diminishes polls, diminishes the news, but then will use this headline as a way to solidify himself in the way that his message about fake news is working. it is consistent with his pattern as a candidate and as president. every day he has to put a binary choice in front of his supporters. you re either with him or you are with somebody critical of him, and that s the way he continues to keep his base. at the end of the day, it s one of the great moral failings of this president, his attempt to undermine the free press, and it s shameful. with the foundations of democracy kind of being in peril here, politicians look at this and think what, donald trump is a unique political animal, or is there something for other politicians to learn about a successful strategy that can work for people? unfortunately, yes, because the most powerful emotion is fear. and if you can play that as well as donald trump did, then in the future, you can build on that mistrust, that distrust that people have. the problem is, we re at about 53% of americans no longer believe the american dream is available to them. and worst of all, it s not available to their children, that tomorrow will not be better for them than it was today. that s the very american promise. that s the fabric of american society. so, donald trump s relationship to the truth, as representative jolly pointed out, is the same as harvey weinstein s relationship to women. but we have the american carnage inaugural speech. right. i mean, that was from the president in january. congressman jolly, when peter makes this correlation between, say a weinstein and a trump, there are people, democrats that piled on weinstein. trump, who faces similar allegations, has kind of matrixed his way out of it, sliding past them all. exactly. and if one of trump s failings is his undermining of a free press, the failing of his base is to accept as normal the activities of a president who bragged about sexual assault, and there is no excuse for that. his base will be with him, but there are mainstream republicans who held their nose and went along with it, and it s shameful. former representative from florida, david jolly, thank you, sir. peter emerson, thank you as well. we re going to be right back in just a moment with much more right here on msnbc. you nervous? thanks for your time. i really appreciate it. i m thomas roberts. stay with us. more news continues right now and we toss it over to yasmiyn via vossoughian. on the eve of the president being awarded the medal of
9:00 in the east, 6:00 a.m. out west. here s what s happening. taxing situation. the battles that lie ahead, the gop gets ready to rewrite the u.s. tax code. we re going to tell you about one idea that could keep high earners from getting a big break. gone but not forgotten, the lives of four american soldier were remembered this weekend while the search for answers intensifies. new insight into why so many troops are in africa and what their mission is. you knighted front. for the first time in years, five former presidents gather on stage at the same time. what prompted the gathering and how it helped so many in need. but we begin with politics and president trump s ongoing feud with democratic congresswoman frederica wilson, entering the sixth day with the president ramping up his attacks in a tweet again this morning saying wacky congresswoman wilson is the gift that keeps on giving for the republican party, a disaster for dems. you watch her in action and vote r. in a series of tweets last night, president trump focus ed error. as josh said, he could have handled this so much better by saying, if i was misunderstood, i apologize, i respect the service. and instead he s elevated it into this national week long fight that has no end in sight. he went after a gold star family on the campaign, this is territory he s gone down before and knows it doesn t end well. he s incapable of restraining himself and admitting any kind of error, apologizing in any kind of way. to the tweet about the dossier, the president again asking the justice department to interfere in the russia investigation, which is centered on him and his campaign. is this another sign of president trump feeling the heat or do you think these tweets feel a little different to you? the strange thing to me is that the president seems a lot more focused on the dossier than almost anybody else. it is really it seems to have shaken him through the whole investigation, unprompted and insisting that what is in the dossier is not true. time, similarly to the conversation about the johnson family, he s incapable of avoiding making anything about himself. and in terms of people paying for things, these tweets came out less than an hour after the washington post put out that report on the president pledging $430,000 to help pay the legal fees for some of his aides. is that what the tweets are all about, what can you tell us about the pledge, $430,000 seems like a small amount for legal fees. in this line of work it is not much at all. this pledge comes after the rnc paid roughly that amount in legal fees. there was controversy about that, people giving money to the rnc doesn t know the money goes to lawyer and not campaign activities. but you re right, it is not very much money. i talked to somebody in the clinton white house wrapped up in that scandal there. they were not directly connected to anything close to the millon and says you can have a tax cut that leads up to $1.5 trillion in deficit increases over the next decade. and then following that, it has to reduce the deficit or not increase it. that creates the box in which they have to write the tax reform bill. they have to argue about what to do with the space inside the box. there is a lot of competing interests, even among republicans on the hill. rand paul has been out there attacking the plan for the fact that it raises taxes on many middle income families. the plan needs to be substantially changed to hold the families harmless. john mccain skeptical, people sometimes forget he voted against both of the bush tax cuts. senator bob corker, retiring senator from tennessee, has been saying he doesn t want a tax plan that raises the deficit at all. people can change their minds about things, can compromise but also a number of other people like senator mike lee from utahed are voluntary cautah ed advocating a larger child tax credit. the plan as written according to the tax policy center would lead to more than $2 trillion in deficit increases. you have people saying they want to give out new goodies, you have people who want a bigger child credit, you need to take stuff away to fit things in the box. so that s going to be the really hard political part, making those decisions about who wins and who loses and that s what i think makes it really difficult to actually get a tax reform done, if you did the plan as it is now, you have 25% of american families actually paying more taxes than under current law by 2026. that would be very unpopular, the changes you have to make to avoid that unpopularity. the way this will potentially squeeze 401(k) plans, that will be a huge discussion point. your concerns as well on this? i think they re trying to thread a very thin needle here. passed with the thinnest of margins, the budget before we get to taxes. the president and the white house have been reaching out aggressively to democrats that are up for re-election in states that trump won. so far no real success there. so it looks like they have to do this almost entirely with just that 52 vote republican majority. very, very thin, they already lost rand paul. it is going to be really tough. josh and alex, good to see you both. thank you. to the investigation in niger, new attack there, saturday left 13 paramilitary police officers dead, gunmen on trucks and motorcycles crossed the border and fired on a security base. hans nickles is in washington with more with what officials want to know about that attack. good morning. reporter: good morning. the families continue to mourn, congress is preparing to ask some hard questions next week, not only about this specific mission, but the overall strategy this that is putting american troops at risk in africa. army sergeant la david johnson was laid to rest saturday near his home in florida. his pregnant widow kissing his casket as she held an american flag. johnson was killed in an ambush in niger earlier this month with three of his comrades, his body found one mile from the ambush site, 48 hours after the deadly attack. there was hope he was still alive with his beacon emitting a signal. the new york times reports that some nigerian officials say the army convoy spotted and chased insurgents until they crossed into neighboring mali. the times adds that the american soldiers did not mention giving chase. and they claimed they were ambushed and surrounded by insurgents outside a village. possibly tipped off by tribal leaders who they were meeting. all week, pentagon officials have insisted that u.s. forces aren t in niger to hunt extremists. our missions are advise and assist, we are not directly involved in combat operations. reporter: a senior congressional aide tells nbc news the ambush stemmed in part from a massive intelligence failure. congress now demanding more information on counterterrorism missions across africa. have to keep us informed so we can make good decisions about do we want 1,000 soldiers in niger? if we don t want them, the way to deal with it is to cut off funding. reporter: the commander told congress earlier this year he had only a quarter of the reconnaissance flights he needed. the readiness of the airplanes has gotten better. but when you go from 12 to 6, the capacity is cut in half. and the impact, we have to do a better job coordinating and sharing assets because the continent is extremely large. yes, sir. reporter: there are roughly 800 u.s. troops in niger, most of them building a drone base, which will serve as a hub for a drone network across all of africa. thank you so much for that. he called on voters to reject the politics of division and fear, but there was another reason former president obama returned to the campaign trail this week. i ll speak with democratic congressman jeffries about that next. up to a gillette shave. and at our factory in boston, 1,200 workers are starting their day building on over a hundred years of heritage, craftsmanship and innovation. today we re bringing you america s number one shave at lower prices every day. putting money back in the pockets of millions of americans. as one of those workers, i m proud to bring you gillette quality for less, because nobody can beat the men and women of gillette. gillette - the best a man can get. t music) - [announcer] imagine what you wear every day actually making your body feel better. that s exactly what tommie copper does for people everywhere. they call it wearable wellness, and tommie copper has infused it into everything they do. why not experience the difference tommie copper can make in your life? 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that would be the right thing to do. doesn t appear that the white house has ever had any interest in apologizing or clarifying misinformation or misstatements that have come out of 1600 pennsylvania avenue. we all assume that the adult in the room is general kelly. and he would be the one to take that type of mature step, hopefully we ll see it in the week to come. we have a whole host of issues that we need to get behind in terms of this particular drama that has been inflicted upon the american people, we need to deal with tax rae foeform, strengthe the affordable care act, protecting the dreamers, the white house has us mired in conflict, controversy and confusion. i want to ask you about a political report saying that the president is personally interview ed two candidates, this for jeffrey berman and ed mcnally. the white house is saying it is the president who is making these nominations. so since they re candidates, he has the right to speak to them and figure out and try to decide for their position on things. but it has been raising concerns. can you chalk this up to political novice on behalf of the president or more? i doubt it. it seems to be of concern to a lot of people who are interested in good government and the even handed administration of justice. these u.s. attorneys functionally focus their energies as a chief law enforcement officer for their particular jurisdiction. manhattan happens to be the home of donald trump. and what is troubling about it is this evidence of an effort to help shape the mentality and the mind set of the individual who will be eventually confirmed as the top law enforcement officer, because the president is concerned about the investigation into his campaigns possible collusion with russian spies, interfering with the election, it will be best just to leave the process alone, make sure that it is not political, as every other president in the history of the republic with the possible exception of richard nixon has done. it is my understanding that president obama never conducted any of these candidacy interview s, is that correct? that s correct. as far as i understand it. neither did george w. bush or george h.w. bush or ronald reagan or bill clinton. house is gearing up for big legislation. you mentioned it. tax reform. top of mind of many certainly. in the coming weeks, look, there will be a lot of debates about this idea of a fourth tax bracket we heard about. house speaker paul ryan says the idea is to put that in place to make sure high earners don t get a big drop in their income tax requirements. so is this something you are on board with? well, i m on board with focusing on trying to create better jobs, better wages and better future for the american people and part of creating that better future which is what house democrats are all about is making sure that tax reform is done from the middle out. if anyone deserves a tax cut in america, it is the middle class. what appears to be happening is that president donald trump, republicans in the house and the senate, continue to put forward this failed theory of trickle down economics. where there is an argument if you cut taxes for the wealthy and the well off, everyone else will benefit. the problem is that there is no evidence of that having happened. if anything, what you do is you explode the deficit, the wealthy and well off save the money, put it into things other than creating jobs for middle class americans, and wages will remain stagnant. that was the record of george w. bush, that was the record during ronald reagan s tax cuts and if it happens again, it will fail again. we ll do everything we can to stop it. i want to ask you about former president obama on the campaign there in the gubernatorial race in virginia. among the theory that or concerns that black voter enthusiasm is waning, they say the sentiment goes beyond that of virginia, and new jersey, and more should be done by the party about all of this. what are your thoughts? well wi, certainly in the context of president barack obama s historic eight-year tenure, he was always going to be a very difficult act to follow because he would naturally be a vehicle to create a great deal of enthusiasm among african-americans, people of color, young people and many others across the united states. jackie robinson who broke the color barrier was a tough act to follow. but that said it would be issue that i think will be important in driving african-american turnout moving forward and we can all do a better job of speaking to the concerns of the african-american community, higher rates of unemployment than anyone else in this country, the mass incarceration phenomena, the voter suppression, the rise of the alt-right and the white supremacist movement in america, all issues that we re going to be sensitive to, speak to, with a laser like focus, and in the aftermath of president obama s tenure in office, those will be the issues that will drive african-americans to the polls, to turn things around in this country. thank you so much for the conversation. i appreciate it. still ahead, bill o reilly firing back at a new york times report of a multimillion dollar settlement and the amount will make your head spin. it started on a field of accomplished dreams and continued into the locker room, the houston astros last night celebrating their game seven victory over the upstart new york yankees with more than a little bubbly. now advancing to the world series as underdogs against my or the los angeles dodgers. sorry. today, the new new york is sparking innovation. you see it in the southern tier with companies that are developing powerful batteries that make everything from cell phones to rail cars more efficient. which helps improve every aspect of advanced rail technology. all with support from a highly-educated workforce and vocational job training. across new york state, we re building the new new york. to grow your business with us in new york state, visit esd.ny.gov. to grow your business with us in new york state, when it comes to strong bones, are you on the right path? 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these are tough calls. clearly the family is grieving. they frankly some as i read, the president for the decision to send the loved one into a theater of war. these are really, really tough. however, a family that is grieving always has the upper hand. a family that is grieving gave the ultimate sacrifice and so for anyone, whether the president of the united states or any elected official to criticize that or to question that goes beyond the pale, no question about it. there is a great story about not great, but very indicative story of how difficult it is for president george w. bush, when he had to make a condolence call, he came away from marine one and had a tear rolling down his cheek and said they hate me he because the family just yelled and yelled over their pain. to your point, these are very difficult calls to make. but marjorie, once the criticisms came in, couldn t the president have taken the high road, are his whispers telling him that attacking a congresswoman who happens to be close to a gold star family in mourning fires up his base or what is it? well, i feel like the president brought this upon himself when he started politicizing it from the beginning, criticizing the way obama well, obama didn t call everyone the way i did. he opened the doors to a conversation that should have never been had. these should be intimate moments between a president and grieving families. every president has handled it differently. and by opening that door, he already takes away the intimacy and the care that came from that moment to begin with. absolutely it is problematic. it shouldn t be talked about in this way. it makes me sad that we re parading these people s grief around and that the president can t, you know, act like an adult and just be gracious and let the moment ride. we have to talk about the privacy of the phone calls and the fact that the congresswoman, she was in a car, with the family, with whom she s very close to. the widow of la david johnson got the phone call, put it on speaker, so her mother and the congresswoman who i believe was riding in the back seat as the story goes could hear what was being said. so she made a lot of this public. did she not? yes, but i will say that the conversation around how calls were handled which started when the president talked about i call everyone and president obama didn t call everyone and, again, these calls should have stayed private and became public, and in the same way that when, you know, president trump offered $25,000 to one of the fallen soldier s fathers, and then the money never arrives, he goes to the press, so he s made what were private moments very public, which has invited the recipients to also bring that to the press. this has become a media storm where it wasn t one before. that in itself is a sad, sad state of affairs. one that he brought on himself. yes, robert. just very quickly, if i was the white house press secretary or senior adviser in the white house, this is what i would have done. i would have said, mr. president, the widow and the family has the right to do whatever they want with that call. that s their call. we will be silent on this. this is a family that is grieving, please be quiet, don t say anything at all. okay. i think he should sign up for that press secretary job. no, no, no. he s like, not right now. don t want it. let s move on to with you marjorie to president having praised and then trashing a health care proposal. now he s pushing for a rightward shift that would get rid of the aca mandates. do you think he ll get his way? it is a daily flip-flop. i think it goes to the core of understanding the health care policy, which is just cost driven. the mandate was absolutely fundamental to making sure that cost was spread out among the sick and the healthy. and that s what it was in place for. republicans were at the inception of the aca bill. until everyone s covered, we don t have an even marketplace. it rattles the core of the affordable care act. so dare we try to predict and look in a crystal ball to understand what trump will do next. the subsidies they were proposing had to do with keeping it afloat, keeping costs afloat. it is how do we fund this, and nothing about the way trump has approached this has made us feel like he understands the core of how the markets work around the affordable care act. so then, robert, is the president just setting himself up for another health care failure? well, i don t know if it is a health care failure from his mind. he did in fairness to him, he did campaign on repeal and replace, he did give republicans in the house and the senate three opportunities to be able to repair and replace this. and they failed in that regard. what he s doing here, and i agree with what she said a few moments ago, this is the fundamental foundation if you will, the affordable health care act. you need a pool of healthy people in the system to subsidize the sick people. that s the reality in the marketplace and how it works. the question becomes do you take the heart out of the affordable health care act, does it collapse? i think it probably does under its own weight if in fact the president is successful. all right, well, thank you so much for weighing in on all of the topics. see you both again. word of another huge settlement involving sexual harassment allegations against bill o reilly. a new york times report not verified by nbc news goes into detail about the $32 million settlement with a long time fox analyst. nbc s morgan radford has details. cautioun, you are about to n enter the no spin zone. reporter: according to a new york times report, o reilly paid a $32 million settlement to lis wiehl, often seen on his top rated primetime show. the report alleges o reilly had a nonconsensual sexual relationship with wiehl, in a statement that fox admits they knew there was a settlement in january but was informed by mr. o reilly he settled the matter personally, adding the terms were confidential and not disclosed to the company. one month later, fox extended o reilly s four year contract for $25 million a year. at the time fox re-signed mr. o reilly, it knew about the settlement, it was also trying to make the argument to the public, its employees and its board that it had cleaned up workplace issues that had arisen under roger ailes. this was the sixth payout made by o reilly or fox to settle allegations against him. the company says the anchor s latest contract included a clause, saying it could fire him if other allegations came up, which, in the end, fox says it acted on when he was ousted in april. o reilly continues to maintain its innocence, his attorney is calling today s report a smear campaign. last month, o reilly speck to matt lauer. you said at the time you did absolutely nothing wrong. you stand by that? i do. i never mistreated anyone on my watch in 42 years. that was nbc s morgan radford reporting. in the state, o reilly s lawyer claims the new york times story ignored evidence taken under oath, adding the reporting was based on unsubstantiated allegations, anonymous sources and incomplete or stolen documents. president trump claims he contacted almost all of the gold star families of military personnel this year. but reports say an e-mail from the pentagon tells a different story. later this morning, joy reid talks to frederica wilson about the condolence call that has become so controversial. i m ginny and i quit smoking when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. some people had changes in behavior or thinking, aggression, hostility, agitation, depressed mood, or suicidal thoughts or actions with chantix. serious side effects may include seizures, new or worse heart or blood vessel problems, sleepwalking or allergic and skin reactions which can be life-threatening. stop chantix and get help right away if you have any of these. tell your healthcare provider if you ve had depression or other mental health problems. decrease alcohol use while taking chantix. use caution when driving or operating machinery. the most common side effect is nausea. thanks to chantix, i did it. ask your doctor if chantix is right for you. many insurance plans cover chantix for a low or $0 copay. an exclusive report from roll call is revealing a scramble at the white house, sparked by comments that president trump made last week. they obtained an e-mail in which the white house asked the pentagon for information about surviving family members of all service members killed after trump s inauguration so that the president could be sure to contact all of them. the e-mail was apparently sent after president trump said in a fox news radio interview he had contacted the families of, quote, virtually everybody in the military who died in service to the country since he took office. the associated press found that to be inaccurate. joining me now is chris, welcome back to the broadcast. what does this tell you about how the white house is operating behind the scenes? well, it is just more fallout from a terrible week for john kelly. he really this was a terrible blunder on thursday, a self-inflicted wound, when he went on that tirade against representative wilson. and got all of his facts wrong. but, you know, in fairness to kelly this is what happens to almost everyone in the orbit of this death star known as donald trump, who diminishes and tarnishes everybody around him. this should have been an easy thing to do. with any other president, you call the widow back, you apologize, end of story. but this president is incapable of empathy, incapable of apology, and that has to be hugely frustrating to john kelly. speaking of kelly, he opened up about his own experience, you talk about empathy and sympathy for him, i don t think there was anybody whose heart didn t go out to him as he talked about having lost his own son in afghanistan. that notwithstanding, do you get a sense of how much influence he has or doesn t have in this white house? first of all, you know, he was eloquent on the subject of his son, he was eloquent on the subject of the fallen soldiers. but, again, he veered off and lost control when he went after representative wilson. and i think that, you know, as for whether how much influence he has on donald trump, i talked to denis mcdonough, president obama s last chief of staff, who told me that he s been on the business end of some phone calls from general kelly and there is never any doubt that in his mind that he speaks hard truths. another former republican chief of staff told me, okay, if that s the case, how did rocket man get on to the teleprompter of the speech before the u.n. general assembly? that s malpractice by the white house chief of staff or evidence that donald trump isn t listening to kelly. so, the comments by frederica wilson, the ones which john kelly has gone after, they have been proven to be inaccurate. he didn t speak the truth about what she said, whether intentionally or not. is it in his makeup as a four star marine general or as a chief of staff in a white house to issue an apology or do you think that is something that just is part of the either within this white house, the fact that everyone says this president is incapable of issuing apologies. well, it is certainly part of the ether. i think we learned a number of things about john kelly this week. one thing we have learned is that he s out of his depth politically. the jim bakers, the leon panettas, the denis mcdonoughs, the really good white house chiefs of staff understood when you stand in front of a camera, you re not speaking as a marine, you re speaking as the white house chief of staff. you have to stay above the fray. even dick cheney, when he was gerald ford s 34-year-old white house chief of staff, his views were described as being to the right of ghengis khan and yet cheney was able to stay above the fray. he was always an honest broker, never would have known what his politics were, he never got into the trenches to fight the partisan battles. and that s a lesson that kelly, you know he, is apparently unequipped for. he doesn t have political experience. the white house is still firmly defending general kelly as you know. you ve got a top white house official telling axios that kelly made himself the moral core of the trump administration. do you agree with that assessment? that remains to be seen. i think another thing we learned about john kelly this week is a lot of people thought he was the nonideological grown-up in the room who would take the edge off of donald trump s excesses. well, maybe not so much. i think in that tirade that he went on against representative wilson, we got a sense that he may share more of donald trump s view s than we realized up to this point. it may not be a safe bet that he s always going to be the grown-up in the room here, taking the edge off of trump. okay, chris, thank you very much. we ll see you again no doubt. it has been 32 days since puerto rico s been without power and a majority of the island, but the drinking water situation there is also dire. my next guest will explain just how dangerous it is. and the home of the brave you see it there. all five living former presidents appearing last night at the one america appeal concert at texas a&m to help raise money for hurricane relief. the presidents jimmy carter, george h.w. bush, bill clinton, george w. bush and barack obama all united in their call for americans to do what they can for the victims of the disastrous hurricanes. as heart breaking as the tragedies that took place here in texas and in florida, in puerto rico and the u.s. virgin islands have been, what we have also seen is the spirit of america at its best. when ordinary people step up and do extraordinary things. president trump made an appearance in a video praising the relief efforts of the former presidents and vowed that america will recover and rebuild areas hit by the hurricanes. since the one america and rebui hit by the hurricanes, more than $31 million has been raised and you can go to oneamerica.org if you want to make a donation. maybe too affordable and fast. wbut they are buying them to protect their secrets?!?!, hi bill. if that is your real name. it s william actually. hmph! affordable, fast fedex ground. what happens to the factories if there s sustained damage, what happens to the people that live near them? the environmental impacts of the aftermath of hurricane maria are tough to even determine whether it s industrial pollution or animal pollution. what we are seeing is that at this point there s very little monitoring, and what we know is that unfortunately a lot of the chemicals and contaminants end up in peoples drinking water no matter where you are, and when you add the extra layer of the ca catastrophe brought on by maria, and a weak infrastructure, it could be a disaster. 18 superfund sites there in puerto rico. what is a superfund site and what do they pose to people and the threats in the environment? there s a superfund site location is could be a long-term contamination of soil and water and other resources, and they recognize this could pose a serious threat to human health, and those are sites basically slated for cleanup, and what we know is that even some of the recently designated superfund sites are still being used as sources of drinking water, so we can only begin to imagine the magnitude of risks we are taking there. the truth is, unless there s continued testing, we are potentially leaving a lot of people very vulnerable if these sites are even considered from spots where people can draw any drinking water. cleanup and ultimately getting puerto rico back in shape from an environmental perspective, how long is that going to take? it s anybody s guess, alex. it s likely to take a tremendous amount of time, probably years. in the immediate future, what i think we can look forward to and hopefully will have the epa s support and funding for the epa to get in there and duty work, to test and to analyze whether it s soil samples, drinking water, and to really assess what happened to a lot of dangerous industrial sites, coal, ash, et cetera, and even landfills after the hurricane, and how those might be affecting human health and the population because until we really know what we are dealing with, we are guessing and leaving a lot of people in really, really a really p precarious situation. thank you for providing that information to the show. in just a few minutes, nancys will be joy s guess on the future of obamacare. e. we re talking to you, cost inefficiencies, and data without insights. and fragmented care, stop getting in the way of patient recovery and pay attention. every single one of you is on our list. at optum, we re partnering across the health system to tackle its biggest challenges. at breathe freely fastring awmy congestion s gone. i can breathe again! i can breathe again! vicks sinex. breathe on. ever had hepatitis b, a liver transplant, other liver or kidney problems, hiv or any other medical conditions and about all the medicines you take including herbal supplements. taking amiodarone with harvoni can cause a serious slowing of your heart rate. common side effects of harvoni include tiredness, headache and weakness. ready to let go of hep c? 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