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course, this is adding to all of that. the big question is, how can he -- or if he can actually turn people out. particularly, because he has had to cancel three of thundershower f -- four events she was meant to hold. seeing how this was playing out, it seems to be a unique situation we're experiencing this weekend in iowa. >> unique indeed. thank you so much, kristen. let's go to you, jessica dean. you're following governor ron desantis' campaign. he's already held his first event of the day. what'd he say? >> reporter: well, fredricka, perhaps nobody has more on the line here in iowa than governor desantis. he's staked so much on this stake, and their whole game plan is to allow iowa to launch him into this primary. they are looking to monday for a very strong second place. obviously, they want to win, but if they don't win, they want to come in very close to donald trump to really make the case that december nesantis is the ae
they have pulled back all ads spending on attacking ron desantis. they are expressing confidence. i was told by one senior adviser sure, it will impact some undecided voters. but it's not enough to change the trajectory of the race. we also got a memo put out. they said it was confidential memo, written by their pollster to the campaign heads, put out by the campaign that said this isn't going impact trump winning in the state. but, again, as we know, they have been concerned about nikki haley. they are watching those numbers carefully. they are looking at the tabs in every single poll. as we have reported, erin, the team that is around him right now is one of the most disciplined to date, which means they are analyzing data looking through this, and there is a reason they are spending so much money going after nikki haley. so it's certainly not all a celebration tonight. anderson? >> kristen, thanks very much. with me is david axelrod and scott jennings. david, if the former president is publicly crowing about the
continually outperformed donald trump in new hampshire. it's a purple state. it is a state with a heavy independent. and by the way, it's an open primary. independents can turn out. democrats can vote. so i do think that there is a lane here. it's to turn out people who are not the ones who came out for trump, but who are active. >> he is the man for the ages. >> crushing it. there is glide paths. sununu comes out and you want to air walk. >> to kristen's point, chaos is trump's brand. he is not rung from it. he is embracing it. and chris sununu is playing expectation management. downplaying. we're not looking to win in iowa. we don't really care. so expectation management very important, because if she has a poor showing, she is toast. you heard chris christie say that. she's putting all her eggs in one basket. clearly new hampshire is a big win, big strong second finish. it's not a win to go to south carolina. >> and a final point. you got just two people on stage tonight. two people in all the time. it's a lot of pressure, and the first time they've been in that situation. >> well, they're both governors. so they've definitely had the
evangelicals. but they're also key for governor desantis. he has been working them and really pushing that pro-life message in his view. i expect he'll do so again tonight on stage. but the evangelical vote is hardly monolith. the voters we talked to throughout the year, some support haley, some support desantis, but a lot do still support trump. and it all goes back to the supreme court. it really person after person really hold him responsible and thank him for the three justices that helped overturn roe v. wade. but there are also many independent thinkers out there. some are eager to move on that. will be a key question on monday night, how strong that evangelical vote is for donald trump. and it could determine how strong ron desantis is also on monday in iowa. >> jeff zeleny, thanks very much. erin, back to you. >> all right, it's just fascinating to hear that whole conversation. everyone back with me. kristen, you know these voters. you heard the pastor tell jeff zeleny, the evangelical voters are the pathway to victory in iowa, that god is with you even
they believe it's a top issue in the granite state. trump has complained both privately and publicly about haley who served as ambassador to the united nations under his administration. calling her disloyal. >> nicky would sell you out just like she sold me out. >> reporter: haley for her part has also sharpened her attacks on the former president. >> chaos follows him, and we all know that's true. chaos follows him, and we can't have a country in disarray and a world on fire and go through four more years of chaos. we won't survive. and you don't defeat republican chaos with democratic chaos. >> internal polling had haley rising in iowa as well. a senior trump campaign advisor insisting to me today that their strategy has not changed. they say that donald trump has always said he would set his sights on whoever is in second place. and now that appears to be nikki haley. erin? >> thank you very much, kristen.
over 100 democrats in the house voted against condemning anti-semitism, where it got universal support among house republicans. when we called for the resignation, house republicans called for support of that, and there were a number of democrats who did not vote in support of it. the rise of anti-semitism is an issue on the left, and you know who hasn't spoken out loudly and clearly calling for the resignation of those presidents was joe biden. >> the white house did speak out very firmly against the statements -- >> but joe biden did not. it did not come from joe biden. the white house did immediately speak out about it, yes. >> the press secretary did, but the president of the united states did not. and he was a teacher at penn and he should have spoken out and he could have spoken out. >> the senate locked in these fierce negotiations over border and border security. congresswoman, if they reach a deal on border security that the house does not believe goes far enough, are you prepared to shut down the government over that? >> well, let's take a step back, kristen.
do you still feel as though that day was tragic and that those who were responsible should be held responsibility to fullest extent of the law? >> first of all, kristen, as typical for nbc and the bias media you played one excerpt of my speech. i stand by my comments that i made on the house floor and i stand for integrity and i challenged the certification of the state of pennsylvania because of the unconstitutional overreach. so i absolutely stand by my floor speech, i'm proud to support president trump, and i want to correct another statement that there's no coordination with president biden and and the prosecution of president trump. we saw hunter biden defy a congressional subpoena, and the white house admitted it was in coordination the morning of, and i believe joe biden will be found to be the most corrupt president in our nation's history and that's why all of the investigative work that we're doing is so important because the american people, they deserve transparency and accountability. >> a lot to unpack there. of course, the white house has said that hunter biden is acting unilaterally. on the issue of election integrity, though, trump took his case to court more than 60 times that there was fraud and
jews violate harvard's rules of bullying or harassment, yes or no? >> it can be depending on the context. >> of course, she was criticized for that response and has come under scrutiny for allegations of plagiarism and has resigned amid that. what was your reaction when you heard she was resigning? >> it was long overdue. she should have resigned immediately following the hearing, and, of course, this follows the resignation of liz magill, the penn president. so did the mit president, i might add. i called for all three of their resignations. it's not just me who called for the resignations. we passed a vote bipartisan who called for the resignation on the floor of congress, but i want to take you a little bit into that hearing, kristen, and that was the last question of the hearing. and i tried to structure the question in a way that was a moral question and not political, and it was a moral question, and i was expecting them to answer yes, and i was astonished in real-time that they said it depends on the context.
are new warnin welcome back. as president biden ramps up his general election campaign, there are new warning signs. "the washington post" reporting former president obama has raised questions about the structure of president biden's reelection campaign. two sources confirmed to nbc news that obama and biden met over lunch in december and discussed the campaign with obama expressing deep concern about mr. trump's political strength underscoring the urgency, one source telling me this is an all-hands on deck moment. joining me now is the president's deputy campaign manager quentin fulks. welcome to "meet the press." thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me, kristen. it is a pleasure. >> it is a pleasure to have you. it's a busy one. look, if you look at some of the pollings if elections were held today, president biden is struggling in some of the battleground states that propelled him to the white house. i guess the question that a lot of democrats have, a lot of questions that his supporters
welcome back secretary of state antony blinken is in the middle east for the fourth time since the octobe r attack welcome back. secretary of state antony blinken is in the middle east for the fourth time since the october attack on israel three months ago. an effort to prevent escalating tensions from breaking into a wider war after a series of regional attacks. joining me now is the president of israel, isaac herzog. mr. president, welcome to "meet the press." thank you for being here. >> thank you, kristen. >> i want to start right there with concerns about those regional attacks. obviously, secretary blinken is there aiming to de-escalate some of the tensions within the region, but talk to americans, if you will. how concerned should they be about this escalating into a wider war that could ultimately ensnare americans as well? >> so, kristen, today is january