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specially since -- before anybody got in the race, including trump. >> shelby, mara, christian, thank you. >> thanks, guys. our cnn crew is getting first-hand look at newly liberated ukrainian village. you'll hear what firemen inside the village told our team. and we're following this. it's happening right now. an urgent rescue mission to save a group of students who were trapped on that chair lift in pakistan. one of the cables snapped while six children and two adults were traveling to school. we've learned that the kids are between 10 and 15 years old and there is a report that two of the students are slipping in and out of consciousness. the chair lift is reportedly hanging at about 900 feet in this mountainous region. look at that wide shot. we'll bring you updates as we get them. (♪) ♪ please don't go ♪ ♪ p please don't go.. ♪ ♪ please don't go ♪

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opportunity to go after trump. a lot of the republican field on wednesday night does not want to take the opportunity. it's not that they don't have the opportunity because trump will not be on stage. the moderators of this debate have said they're going to ask questions about trump. it's that the candidates don't want to directly go after him. >> they're all thinking about what do the voters want. what do they want to hear? mara, you worked with two men who are not exactly in line with where the republican party is now. adam kinzinger and john boehner. listen to what this "new york times" focus group first four states said. they said mr. trump -- this is what they found, has never come across so well positioned as compared with his rivals as he did in this one. and there's little appetite among these voters for attacks on him. this is after four indictments, after everything and he's never come across as well to these voters. what does that tell you? >> i find that so hard to

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trump voters who are considering others are doing so because they're waiting to see what happens at the debate. joining us now, politics reporter, shelby scott, deputy chief of staff for former congressman adam kinzinger, mara gillespie and christian hall. welcome to you all. mara, i want to start -- shelby, let me start with you actually. so that answer from vivek ramaswamy, not what he said months ago, but also this is a zero sum game, right? if you really want to be the nominee and these debates are not about just overlapping stump speeches, you have to challenge the front-runner. he's suggesting he doesn't need a few opportunities to do that. >> yeah. it's really interesting. and i actually think this is one of the examples of things that vivek is going to get hit on those controversial statements he's made. candidates need to take the

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candidates have a lot to gain. >> that's kristy. he is at 2%. >> exactly. i think a lot of these candidates are saying, trump isn't here. that probably gives me a little more breathing room to make an appeal to the trump base, right? but i think a lot of these candidates are looking for some type of breakout moment. that's what they really need. i think after we saw the polls yesterday, the iowa poll -- >> that was so stunning. >> yeah. just really shows that trump has a real hold on the gop right now. so these candidates are looking for some way to kind of breakthrough. and we know that debates are very important in doing that. and i honestly say that a lot of what has happened up until this moment don't really matter that much. these candidates don't have an opportunity to speak to as large of an audience as debate. >> same question, mara. what are you looking for? >> chris christie to really make a standout performance. i think -- i'll be interested to

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florida's first lady released a new ad to launch mamas for desantis. really, mama bear fascism. it's the latest plug for desantis' bare bones platform. what is he promising other than tormenting gay kids and the workers who fuel florida's economy? meanwhile, bidenomics are winning with job numbers up and unemployment down. but why are his approval numbers higher and if things weren't weird enough, it is looking like a conspiracy theorist with a weird name could be a bigger thorn for biden. robert kennedy jr., prominent descendant of america's most famous political dynasty. he is now garnering 15 to 20% of the democratic vote in recent polls. just make it make sense, please. joining me now to try to do that is cornell and mara gillespie.

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documents. there's a thematic, even though we don't know what the documents are exactly, there's a thematic of intel assessments, of the military preparedness of other countries, of the united states. nuclear secrets, so to me, it was he was intentionally saying, i want these specific documents. >> it's also negligence of staff. mark meadows, where were you, where was the staff helping him get out of the office. the white house chief of staff should have been present for these things. i don't understand how there's no system. >> it calls into question whether they were complicit in it and they knew he wanted it, just as mark meadows knew he wanted to overthrow the government. jen psaki and mara gillespie helping us make this make sense. and be sure to tune in to inside with jen psaki sunday at noon eastern when she will talk with john bolton and congressman adam schiff. i have so many questions. i can't wait to watch that. thank you very much.

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pardon trump on their first day in office, no one seems to be willing to give a clear answer. nikki haley said she would be inclined to pardon trump, while mike pence said it was premature to talk about it. even ron desantis who last month said that he would consider a pardon has been avoiding the question like it's a black history book since the indictment was handed down. in the meantime, trump is already plotting his revenge. threatening if he's elected he will kick justice department weaponization into overdrive. "the new york times" is reporting that while trump is vowing to appoint a, quote, real special prosecutor to go after president biden and his family, his allies are laying out a radical strategy to essentially eliminate any of the doj's independence from the president. joining me now is former white house press secretary jen psaki, host of msnbc's inside with jen psaki. and mara gillespie, former adviser to john boehner. thank you ladies for being here.

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garland specifically because merrick garland is a boy scout who is allergic to politics who demanded that the justice department is independent. that was part of his demand in accepting the nomination being nominated. joe biden ran as somebody who would restore integrity and independence to the justice department. there's another layer of independence here, which is that merrick garland named jack smith the special counsel, so merrick garland had an additional layer here, and jack smith is the one who moved forward with this indictment. but yes, that is another reason why joe biden has said, do not comment on this, to everybody. >> and mara, a lot of people who were making these comments are lawyers. so they know that a grand jury indicted donald trump, not joe biden. and they understand that previous presidents, i'm thinking nixon and also donald trump, threatening to fire multiple attorneys general if they didn't do what he wanted. people internally in his own administration threatened to resign anded he would be

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congress can keep the lights on, can avert default. michael. >> we're going to stay tuned for that one, my friend. kurt bardella, mara gillespie, and sahil kapur, thank you. >> up next on "the reidout," president biden meets with members of the congressional black caucus to talk about police reform. not that there will ever be enough republican support to do anything about it. but we'll be back to talk about it.

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picture of what fascism can look like in america. stagnant ineffectual party isn't just about dysfunction. it isn't about failure to move an agenda. it's about setting a partisan score. that's what dictators do. it may feel good in the moment, but it's bad for the country. country. a concept largely forgotten by far too many in the modern day gop. joining me now is kurt bardella, democratic strategist and former house oversight committee spokesman, and mara gillespie, former aide to congressman adam kinzinger and house speaker john boehner, and sahil kapur, national reporter for nbc news. welcome to all of you. sahil, what was it like on the hill today, buddy? >> it's quiet right now, michael, but this has been a quite extraordinary start to the new congress. i have covered this place for the last 12 years and i have never seen anything quite so sluggish.

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