spoke with sergey kislyak last july. it was during these conversations, i m told by j.d. gordon, they talked about improving relations between the u.s. and russia. it was dur thag time, erin, that j.d. gordon says he went to the convention, advocating on behalf of the campaign for language in the gop platform that advocated against the arming of the ukrainians in their fights against the prorussian rebels. that is something the trump campaign denied they were doing at the time. it denied it was advocating for that language in the gop platform. flash forward to december and according to a senior administration official, the president s son-in-law, jared kushner and the former security adviser, michael flynn, wret with the ambassador during a previously undisclosed meeting. james comey was making the rounds with house members. democrats were not happy when the top democrat, adam schiff, who believes comey was not forthcoming on key details in the investigation into russia and the contacts between russian officials that happened with the trump campaign associates and because of comy s refusal, calling for a special prosecutor to look into this. i asked do you agree with schiff and he shook his head and said no. thank you very much. congressman, good to have you with me. i want to start with the breaking news at this moment. a former trump campaign adviser saying he met with the russian ambassador during the gop investigation along with carter paige. we now know in december, that russian ambassador came to new york, went to trump tower, met with michael flynn and jared kushner. of course we know about jeff sessions having two meetings, one outside the convention in cleveland. how big of a deal is this? it s a big deal. i think as the day has moved on, erin, it is clear the recusal is not enough thchlt is the top law enforcement officer of the nation. this is the largest law enforcement bureau in the country, over 100,000 strong. the integrity of the law enforcement in the judicial system is really at stake here. look, everybody has heard, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? and he didn t. he withheld information. today, i had various meetings and as you and i know, most members of congress, whether in the house or senate, when we meet with somebody, there s staff people there. we learned mr. sessions, senator sessions was not alone, two staff people were there. that s what he said. there is a statute, it s very, very clear, mr. sessions, for the good of the country, for the, for our judicial system, for our law enforcement officers should simply resign, allow the deputy attorney general to pick and choose somebody with consent of the majority and minority party of the senate and elect a special prosecutor. we remember ken star. clinton didn t tell the truth, he lied, too. in the end, we got to the truth. we need to get to the truth today. look, our elections are at stake and the integrity of our elections are at stake. congressman, when we get to what really happened in the room, as you point out, he said there were a couple meetings one with more people, one with two staffers. the staffers could be significant. the attorney general came out and said they did not talk about the election. he says that s completely and utterly false. here is what he said he did talk about with the russian ambassador, here he is. we talked about terrorism, as i recall. the subject of ukraine came up. i had the ukrainian ambassador in my office the day before to listen to him. nothing russia has done nut thag is wrong in any area and everybody else was wrong with regards to ukraine. it got to be a testy conversation at that point. he said something about inviting me to have lunch. i did not accept. he says he didn t say all of this during the hearings under oath is because the election didn t come up. that s what he thought he was being asked about. did you talk about the election to russian officials. he said no. do you believe he s lying? i don t believe the attorney general of the united states. i think most of the american public is going to find it just not credible that the attorney general look, he the fbi reports to the attorney general. the attorney general reports to the white house. what do we know thus far? we know the white house is talking to the deputy attorney general asking him to kind of counter stories in what they call the fake media. we can t really count on the legislative branch of government because both the chairmen of the intelligence committee in the senate and the house were asked by the white house and they followed suit by countering arguments against the media. look, what we need is a special prosecutor, independent prosecutor. i think mr. sessions needs to resign immediately because otherwise here is what happens, erin. he stays in his position and his deputy is supposed to now investigate him and investigate the son-in-law of the president of the united states. it just can t happen. let s have an independent prosecutor. when you say i don t believe the attorney general of the united states, you believe he s not telling the truth. i have to ask you about this, though. it s important to understand whether this is partisan. claire mccaskill is on the committee. no meeting with the russian ambassador ever, period. that s not true. we were able to determine that was false based on her twitter feed herself. she tweeted she met with the russian ambassador. how is that different than sessions who said he didn t bring it up because it was about ukraine. a very big difference. he said it after he said he would tell the truth, the whole truth the whole truth, aaron, nothing but the truth. each of these, one is a lie, the other is a lie. why did he wait? why did he wait until yesterday when the washington post we know what they do. they have an incredible they have this incredible ability to tell the truth. when the truth comes forward they only admit it after they are caught red handed. look, we need our election system is at strake here. no one should interfere with the elections of the united states of america. you spoke about former general flynn. they lie, they lie, they lie until they could not lie anymore. the only way, the difference is he was under oath. when you lie under oath, that s called perjury and you go to jail for doing that. all right, congressman, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. thank you. next, we are going to talk about this russian ambassador. they believe he is a top spy and a top recruiter of spies. tonight, the russians respond to cnn. u.s. officials. stop spreading lie and false news. is it false news? we are going to go live to moscow tonight. plus, calls for jeff sessions to resign. you heard the congressman there join the list. jeanne moos with alec baldwin. i had no idea what i was going to do at 8:00. already in . companies across the state are growing the economy, with the help of the lowest taxes in decades, a talented workforce, and world-class innovations. like in plattsburgh, where the most advanced transportation is already en route. and in corning, where the future is materializing. let us help grow your company s tomorrow - today at esd.ny.gov or is it your allergy pills? 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(crowd cheers) breaking news, jeff sessions saying he did nothing wrong meeting with the russian ambassador twice. we are learning from a senior administration official that multiple members of trump s inner circle met with that same ambassador including the national security adviser at the time and son-in-law, jared kushner. who is the russian ambassador? they believe he is one of putin s top spies and spy recruiters. matthew chance is out front in moscow. what do we know about ambassador kislyak? reporter: well, we know he s a career diplomat, first of all. he s been the russian ambassador since 2008, which is a long time when they don t normally last that long. he served two previous stints as a diplomat in the united states as well in the 1980s, during the soviet union days. he was serving here at the united nations. before becoming the u.s. ambassador, he was the russian deputy foreign minister. he had a number of important jobs in the russian ministry. he was the ambassador to nato and the kingdom of belgium at one point as well. he is well known in diplomatic circles and central to the efforts over the past couple decades. he s very respected in russia and respected among other diplomats as well. he s a central figure in this controversy in u.s. politics, all these individuals, michael flynn, the resigned national security adviser, jeff sessions, jared kushner, the son-in-law of donald trump have been in contact with him. cnn reporting from u.s. government officials, they believe he is a top spy and a top spy recruiter for vladimir putin. that s a significant thing to say. you asked russian foreign ministry spokesperson about this and she was aggressive in her reply. mr. kislyak is a well known, world class diplomat who was a minister of foreign affairs in russia who communicated with americans for decades on different fields. cnn accused him of being a russian spy, recruiting u.s. officials accused him of that. stop spreading false news. that was perhaps an uncharacteristic anger there. reporter: yeah, yeah. lies and false news. we are hearing a lot from kremlin officials as well. they want to get rid of this. they are worried this escalating crisis in the united states is going to have an impact on future relations between the united states and russia. thank you, matthew chance. out front now, former cia operative bob bear and david axelrod. david, the bottom line, u.s. intelligence believes he is one of putin s top spies and recruiters. he met with people in trump s inner circle, multiple meetings over months and months through december. is this troubling? well, look, even if you don t connect the two facts whatever role kislyak plays in terms of es plea onnage, we know there s an ongoing investigation about russian hacking into the election and potential links between the trump campaign and russia. in that environment, it s very, very curious and it raises suspicion when central figures in the trump world are secretive and unrevealing about their conversations with kislyak. we have seen it with flynn, apparently with jared kushner, who both of whom met with him in december. you would think with all that was swirling around general flynn tharks fact would have been divulged before now. of course, general sessions sitting before the senate got a chance to answer this question. he s well aware of the senate procedures. anytime after that, he could have corrected it and he, today, had a fairly specific recollection of that conversation but very specific. couldn t come up with the fact within two weeks, two, three, four weeks after his testimony, he never corrected it. all of this just adds to an atmosphere of suspicion. i don t think it serves the administration well to have these stories keep cropping up. he went on about how they talked about religion. we played the part about ukraine and terror, but personal things. he remembered all of it. bob, we are talking about what u.s. intelligence officials tell as a top russian spy and recruiter. what do you think of the meetings between ambassador kislyak and now turns out jared kushner and michael flynn, jer sessions and multiple other members of the national security team involved in meetings with this ambassador. frankly, if i had been in the cia and met with russian officials and not reported it in writing, i would be fired. this is just really, truly crossed the line. i don t care that he s ambassador. all the ambassadors are co-opted by the kgb. they operate and recruit. the great ames, the mole inside the cia was run by a ministry of foreign affairs official in washington, d.c. we shouldn t be confused about that. what we should be confused about is why the contacts were not reported in writing with potential foreign intelligence services like the kgb. they are not our friends. this is just getting out of control very quick. we do need a special prosecutor, the senate intelligence committee or the house cannot handle this, it is too hot. i agree, sessions deputy shouldn t be handling there, either. david, when jeff sessions took a few questions today, to his credit, from the press, he knew they were going to be hostile. one question is, what do you think, at the time, and what did you think the motives were for wanting this meeting? he said i didn t think about it. do you think that s possible, he didn t think about it? he was a top surrogate for the trump campaign and he didn t think about why the russian ambassador wanted a meeting? well, let me say, the united states senators are not solo practitioners walking around with the cell phone making decisions on their own. they have staffs. they have experts who are there to advise them on these things. i m sure that kislyak can t just i shouldn t say i m sure, i m not sure of anything anymore. i m sure he didn t call and say jeff, i would like to come chat with you and sessions didn t mention it to anybody. if that were the case, it would be more disturbing. the bottom line, you have this story that is unresolved about what was, if there was a level of collusion between the russians and the trump campaign, sessions was deeply involved in that campaign. now, he is, as has been mentioned today, he s suspicion in the investigation. so, there really needs to be some independent authority that can oversee this investigation, not the attorney generals department. you are both in agreement on that. bob, before we go, top spy and top recruiter, do you believe that? that is what intelligence officials are telling us tonight. i have to see the 201 file, but that s what i m hearing, he is an operative for the kremlin. the fact that he s ambassador doesn t matter. this needs to all come out in an investigation. this is very disturbing the whole connection with russia for the next intelligence officer. thank you very much. president trump saying he has total confidence in jeff sessions standing by what was his earliest and most loyal supporter. undocumented immigrant detained and almost deported to mexico. he does not blame donald trump. working for the american people. he is not working for me. to those who know that the essence of integrity is a promise kept. if you ve got the time welcome to the high life. we ve got the beer miller beer when you re close to the people you love, does psoriasis ever get in the way of a touching moment? if you have moderate to severe psoriasis, you can embrace the chance of completely clear skin with taltz. taltz is proven to give you a chance at completely clear skin. with taltz, up to 90% of patients had a significant improvement of their psoriasis plaques. in fact, 4 out of 10 even achieved completely clear skin. do not use if you are allergic to taltz. before starting you should be checked for tuberculosis. taltz may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. tell your doctor if you are being treated for an infection or have symptoms. or if you have received a vaccine or plan to. inflammatory bowel disease can happen with taltz. including worsening of symptoms. serious allergic reactions can occur. now s your chance at completely clear skin. just ask your doctor about taltz. now s your chance at completely clear skin. the markets change. at t. rowe price. our disciplined approach remains. global markets may be uncertain. but you can feel confident in our investment experience around the world. call us or your advisor. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. on your phone and online.s a modern way to pay. so you don t miss his first birthday. tickets, i need to see your tickets sir. i masterpassed it. feeling like father of the year: priceless masterpass, the secure way to pay from your bank don t just buy it. masterpass it. about his contacts with the russian ambassador. trump said he didn t believe he should recuse himself. sarah murray is out front. reporter: a defiant trump is standing by his closest ally, insisting attorney general jeff sessions has his full support. do you have confidence in him? total. should he have spoke truthfully? he probably did. reporter: the president saying he believes the attorney general testified truthfully even though sessions failed to disclose two meetings with the russian ambassador, meetings the white house learned about through media reports according to a senior administration official. when were you aware he spoke to the russian ambassador? i wasn t at all. reporter: he should recuse himself for ties, sessions did just that. i should not be involved in investigationing a campaign i have a role in. reporter: the well of affection runs deep. sessions was the first senator to endorse the long-shot presidential candidate in february, 2016. i am pleased to endorse donald trump for the presidency of the united states. reporter: at a time when many in the gop eye trump, sessions became one of trump s biggest boosters on the campaign trail. there s one man with a strength, a courage, determination, the guts, the challenge, the thing that is are going wrong in this country and put us on the right track. that s donald j. trump. reporter: a close adviser, even flying to indiana to huddle with trump as he wrestled with who to choose as his running mate. trump repaying that loyalty soon after he won the election naming sessions to serve as attorney general. jeff understands the job of attorney general is to serve and protect the people of the united states and that is exactly what he will do and do better than anybody else can. reporter: now, three weeks after leaving the senate and being sworn in as attorney general, one of trump s top officials is already facing calls to resign. in retrospect, i should have slowed down and said i did meet one russian official a couple times. that would be the ambassador. reporter: now, the sessions matter may be settled in the eyes of the president, but this evening, we learned about even more contacts that happened during the presidential campaign around the convention, then again in december with members of donald trump s campaign and the russian ambassador. erin, it s an indication the russia story isn t going away anytime soon and continues to cast the shadow over the white house. that s for sure, especially with the breaking news tonight. more contacts between the russian ambassador and the inner circle. we have two guests. let me start with both of you. this is what it comes down to with attorney general sessions. when asked what he would do if evidence exists that anyone affiliated with the trump campaign spoke with the russians. here is how it went down. senator franken, i m not aware of any of those activities. i have been called a surrogate a time or two in that campaign. i did not have communications with the russians. i m unable to comment on it. okay. now, here is the attorney general today. let me be clear, i never had meetings with russian operatives or russian intermediaries about the trump campaign. my reply to the question of senator franken was honest and correct as i understood it at the time. paul, do you buy his explanation today or did he lie to senator franken? i m stunned by it because he said today that the reason he made the mistake is because he was asked about a continuing exchange with the russians but franken didn t ask him about that. in fact, his words were, i did not have communications with the russians. it almost sounds like that statement that was made by president clinton, i didn t have sexual relations with that woman. sessions called for his impeachment. bill clinton s, right. it s astonishing in this press conference he mischaracterizes his own statement. perjury? i think it s close to the line, but not over the line. i think it s misconduct and unethical, but a hard perjury prosecutor. misconduct, unethical, not true. what do you say, brad? i think his excuse and his reasoning for the answer he gave was very credible. what we saw in that al franken exchange is he mentioned if you look at the whole exchange and not the snippet, he mentioned continuing conversations between russian operatives and people from the trump campaign. if you see the whole exchange in totality, he s talking about hacking, talking different things about individuals speaking with the trump campaign. i can see where that answer makes sense. he s, you know, as his job, in the committee of the armed services committee, in his role, he has contact with ambassadors. this is something he didn t think of. you know, brad, brad, if i could just ask you this. in his job as attorney general, he prosecutors perjury cases. he fills out this is not perjury. he fills out his application for the attorney general job and he lies in the application. doesn t that strike you as being misconduct at the beginning? paul, no, no. you were on the celebrity apprentice, correct? i was on the regular apprentice. i appreciate you calling me a celebrity. donald trump fired you toward the end of the show. don t you think he would have fired you sooner if you lied on your application for the show? listen, the fact is, he did not lie. this is not a lie. if al franken followed up with a question, sir, did you have, did you personally have contact with russian operatives, ambassador in your role he said did you have i mean, the thing is, if you were honest, wouldn t you say i did, but my role as armed services. today, he remembered it all. by omitting it and acting like it didn t happen at all, it raises questions. wouldn t you acknowledge that? i don t think so. i really don t. if you look at the totality of it, look in its whole, not just a snippet about the exchange between franken and sessions, you could see where this answer makes a lot of sense. he is talking about surrogate that is had contact, continuing contact with russian officials and operatives. he would not think of this. he says i did not have communications with the russians. is there something you don t understand about that? if you see his whole statement. i was called a surrogate, once. meaning, in his role as a surrogate for trump. that is my understanding of it. you are a trial lawyer, right? you cross examine people. would you youz that i cross examine everybody. would you use that statement in a court of law to impeach a witness on the witness stand? would i use it would you use it against sessions if he was on the witness stand in a case you were trying? that s the point. franken should have followed up. i would have used it for a follow up question. my follow up question would have been, are you saying you did not have any contact with the russians either in your official role or anything else? that would have been the question. al franken says, sir, i m not an attorney. it s very apparent he s not an attorney because his questions were horrible. the question wasn t exact. the question was answered. i think that at the time he answered that question, he answered in the best way he could. because he wasn t paying attention to the question. all right. we are going to leave it there. obviously a lot for everyone to think about. next, an undocumented immigrant deported to mexico. wait until you hear what he had to say about trump s immigration policy. it isn t what you think you are going to hear. american farmers who back trump on election day worry the policies could hurt their business with special report. and now, i help people find discounts, like paperless, multi-car, and safe driver, that help them save on their car insurance. any questions? 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yes. if that goes away, it will have impact on profitability. reporter: iowa imports $13 billion in goods, an enormous piece of the bottom line. horrible and unfair trade deals. reporter: he is a lifelong republican, but trump s tough talk on trade sends a shiver. what s the level of uncertainty here right now? i would say it s higher if we want to rate it, higher than 50%. reporter: from his office/command center, he monitors everything from commodity to thousands of cattle and hogs. immigrants integral to keeping his 500-acre farm running. there s two or three of them here every morning to make sure the cattle get fed. that s their job. reporter: the need for labor here so great, immigrants, their work ethic and emphasis on family welcomed with open arms. my first time was 2003. you could see no mexicans. ten years after that, you see 35% of the school population is latinos in the elementary schools. we are getting really bad dudes out of this country. reporter: carlos, now a u.s. citizen has a masters degree and married into a farm family. trump s immigration stance sends fear through the immigrant community. they are afraid they are going to take aatheir parents. reporter: trade at immigrant labor corner stones where 80% voted for donald trump. he has a simple message for the businessmen. 90-some per cent of the world population lies outside the waters of the united states. trade is a huge deal for agriculture. reporter: republicans here in sioux county say there are a lot of reasons they voted for trump, by immigration and trade are very important to them. since his address to congress on tuesday night, they feel he is becoming more traditional in terms of republicanism and he won t follow through on the tough trade talks and chasing him grants or arresting immigrants quite as hard as he said. erin? thank you, miguel. we have breaking news at this moment. donald trump, the president of the united states released a statement about the attorney general, i want to read it to you in full. jeff sessions is an honest man. he did not say anything wrong. he could have stated his response more accurately. it was not intentional. this is to save face for democrats losing an election they were supposed to win. they lost the election now their grip on reality. the real story is the illegal leaks of classified information. it is a total witch hunt, a statement from the president of the united states. david axelrod is with me. what is your reaction? the president coming out to slam democrats, but acknowledging he could have stated his response more accurately to congress. it s important to point out given the statement, there were more than a few republicans on capitol hill who called for general sessions to recuse himself. there are more than a few republicans participating in these intelligence committee reviews who said they take it quite seriously. so, i understand the strategy, to contain the thing and turn it into a partisan issue. i think it s beyond that now. the president is going to need a different strategy moving forward. he might start with being open and honest with people about exactly what happened or didn t happen. all right. as you point out, even in the time line of flynn and spicer didn t include a meeting with the russian ambassador at trump tower. thank you, david. we ll be right back. look closely. hidden in every swing, every chip, and every putt, is data that can make the difference between winning and losing. the microsoft cloud helps the pga tour turn countless points of data into insights that transform their business and will enhance the game for players and fans. the microsoft cloud turns information into insight. with e trade s powerful trading tools, right at your fingertips, you have access to in-depth analysis, level 2 data, and a team of experienced traders ready to help you if you need it. it s like having the power of a trading floor, wherever you are. it s your trade. e trade i did. n t. hat? 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let s face it. the big show is going to be the supreme court. and i think also the planned parenthood funding. some republicans are squishy on that. one other thing he said this morning that will cause concerns on the hill from his party was talking about a border tax, instituting a border tax on companies that ship jobs overseas. that s something when he talked about that after the election, republicans were running away from that. majority leader of the house, kevin mccarthy warned it could start a trade war. paul ryan started to distance himself from that saying we ll worry about doing this in a larger tax reform bill. trump today made it very clear that he wants to go that route. as president, you do have fairly wide latitude to impose tariffs. does he carry through with some of those threats? i agree with karen. a lot of stuff is symbolic. we knew tpp was dead. a symbolic move. when we get into details of legislative push on obamacare and supreme court nominee and on doing things like the tariff, that s when things will start to really heat up. he hasn t taken any dramatic steps with his own pen so far. there was talk today that might be the day that he starts moving the u.s. embassy to jerusalem as of this hour it hasn t happened and may not happen today. and we haven t seen any action regarding deferred action for childhood arrives. immigration policy he said he would like to undo. nervousness among republicans and legislation ready to cover those kids on the hill that might move quickly should he decide to step in and do that. on deferred action for childhood arrivals, he has spoken on both sides of that issue. interesting to hear priebus suggest yesterday they may not do it through an executive action. he suggested part of a larger immigration effort. i m sure that would upset elements of his base that expect him to take a hard line on that issue. it s a great point. in the first week, first full week, first full week people are testing because he did say many things that were either contradictory or at odds with his campaign and as he got up to speed on issues. you have latino community wondering if he s serious? will he round them up and kick them out? he said the 1950 operation, wetback, he used that term, no he s not serious about that. he s sounding tough. i m told and you re right it didn t come today or not yet that the whole week will be executive actions and events built around those executive actions to try to promote the first 100-day message and agenda. i think it will be interesting to see how far he s willing to do with some of these executive actions because part of what we know is that the hill only has so much bandwidth to respond to what donald trump has decided to do and create legislation to support. if you put an expiration date on dhaka or you try to make these moves, that has to set the hill into action to move forward with whatever comes next and whatever will replace it. same with obamacare. what we heard from paul ryan and his conversation with trump was you got to sort of give us one big thing at a time. that s how the hill works. we can t really juggle every policy priority. it s not how donald trump works. in that vain, john mccain called the tpp a serious mistake to pull out but offers no legislative alternative. that is again the feeling out period we have with the new president who is a republican president but a lot of his ideas, john mccain s opposition there across the party. they don t agree with him on trade. they don t agree with him on pulling out of trade agreements or on opposing border tariffs. the president himself said he wants to do this country by country and negotiate better deals. the issue is first, let s go back. you saw the president at the top of the show signing the papers. i ve been talking about this for a long time. he has about the transpacific partnership. bernie sanders moved hillary clinton against it. hillary clinton and donald trump were both against it. here s how donald trump described it during the campaign. the tpp is a horrible deal. it is a deal that will lead to nothing but trouble. it s a deal that was designed for china to come in as they always do through the backdoor and take advantage of everyone. now, his critics and proponents of the deal went crazy after that statement because that s not what it was designed to do. it was a coalition of 12 nations designed to counter china because china is an economic force in the region. so now you have australia and japan not happy with this. it s not just republicans in the united states senate or corporate interests here in the united states. our alleies are saying why? if this does not take effect, it could lead to china becoming more powerful and not have the have the opposite impact of what president trump wants. it will be interesting to see how people like paul ryan respond to this. paul ryan distanced himself from tpp during the campaign. he was instrumental in passing that legislation that had to pass before enacting tpp. he s a free trader. how does the rest of the party react? we heard john mccain say because there are those global concerns that this could empower china. this has been a moot question for a long time now. this is an argument that president obama was unable to sell to his own party. going back and debating the merits of a product that did not sell is sort of, you know, at this point pointless. ben seth, republican nebraska senator, issued a statement suggesting that. proponents of free trade failed to make their argument and they need to regroup. interesting to see what changes he wants to make to nafta and what other sort of shots across the bow they send to china to warn them they are on different footing with this administration. you mentioned nafta. that s next for the president. he said it would rip it up during the campaign. now he says he ll renegotiate it. meetings planned with prime minister of canada and president of mexico and will renegotiate it. a kinder, gentle approach. more diplomatic. i think he s handled that one in a way that s turned the temperature down a little bit because it was negotiated in the 1990s. we didn t have so many robots and factories back then. why not renegotiate. it sounds better to our partners to the north and south than rip it up. or modernize. that sounds good to people on the hill and friends on k street and everyone can agree that a deal you sign back then maybe doesn t translate so well in 2017. aspirationally. we ll see how those conversations go. everybody sit tight. up next, the new president makes the first moves on the world stage including a chat with israel s prime minister. fferent. nice tells you what you want to hear. but kind is honest. this bar is made with cranberries and almonds. so, guess what? 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this week is with president may of the u.k. she s going to meet with republican lawmakers at their retreat. so there s another one there. he was a big fan of the brexit. she now has a huge challenge getting her country out of the european union and what she wants from the new president is one thing he s skeptical about, a trade deal. can he give her what she needs to go home with or will they do that quickly as possible? issue one is demonstrate that we can pull out of europe but remain the special relations with the united states and we ll see whether she can get that from him. it is notable that she s meeting with lawmakers. most of the time world leaders don t do it in such a way that she s going to philadelphia for that. it s stunning from what he said on friday afternoon through today how much of the world order really just has to be looking at this and going we really don t know what to expect right now. the news he just made in the last hour will undoubtedly be royal markets when they open again in asia overnight and a lot of those leaders must be really thinking how do we get through to these guys and say is there any chance that we can reopen this? can we try again? donald trump would argue that this sort of uncertainty was exactly what he was trying to create. he kept saying over and over, i like to be unpredictable. here we are. he thinks it helps him in negotiations too. peop if people are on edge, he thinks it helps him get a better deal. he must feel that way as he goes into conversations with the uk as well. he feels like he has an upper hand because president obama said they would be sent to the back of the line. donald trump did not say that in the wake of brexit. he said today i m not opposed to negotiating new trade deals. he certainly feels like if he goes into a unilateral trade deal, especially at this moment with the uk, he feels like he has the upper hand and can get a better deal. did everyone spend the weekend studying the constitution and the emolument clause? this lawsuit filed says donald trump is in violation of the constitution. it says the president is in violation because the constitution prevents the president from coming under the influence of foreign governments. taking money from foreign governments. the lawsuit argues that because he has his hotels. because he still has other business arrangements around the world and that foreign governments spend money in those hotels or do transactions with his businesses in some way, that he is in violation. here s how one of the lawyers who helped file the suit, historical reference here, listen to why they explain why donald trump is wrong. he is in violation of the constitution if he s receiving payments from overseas from foreign governments or from corporations controlled by foreign governments and this goes right back to the tent of the founders. what was the point of having a tea party and throwing king george s tea into boston harbor if you re going to have a president who is buying and selling tea from king george? i m not smart enough to understand the legal merits of this. i always love references to my hometown and the tea party. there s a supreme court with a bunch of strict constitutionalists on it. you wonder how they might rule. the president says he separated himself from his business. stories that paperwork on that hasn t been filed. a spokeswoman says he has separated himself from his business. we need to see paperwork filed to confirm that s true. beyond how this comes out and what the final legal is, we lived through clinton years. we know that having a lawsuit out there means things like depositions. it means having to disclose things. so how the judge the degree to which they let this if they give these guys standing, a lot of people see this as proxy back door to get his taxes. if you re trying to get into foreign payments and the like and you get into the deposition phase, you demand donald trump s taxes so the first question is do they have legal standing? this is the avenue that the liberal groups which are pushing this lawsuit are going to proceed on the courts. they re not going to get much action in congress to oversee a lot of things business dealings and conflicts of interest and so if they do gain some traction there, it could be potentially problematic because that s really the only effort to have some accountability and recourse against the administration. waiting for the first tweet against activist judges. next, the lesson of a fascinating weekend for women that turned out in huge numbers to march and the new white house and its alternative facts. boost it s about moving forward not back. it s looking up not down. it s feeling up thinking up living up. it s being in motion. in body in spirit in the now. boost. it s not just nutrition. it s intelligent nutrition. with 26 vitamins and minerals and 10 grams of protein. all in 3 delicious flavors. it s choosing to go in one direction. up. boost. be up for it. pain from a headache whecan make this.d, feel like this. all-in-one cold symptom relief from tylenol®, the #1 doctor recommended pain relief brand. tylenol® when you have a cold, pain from chest congestion can make this. feel like this. all-in-one cold symptom relief from tylenol®, the #1 doctor recommended pain relief brand. tylenol® tomorrow s the day besides video games. every day is a gift. especially for people with heart failure. but today there s entresto. a breakthrough medicine that can help make more tomorrows possible. tomorrow, i want to see teddy bait his first hook. in the largest heart failure study ever, entresto was proven to help more people stay alive and out of the hospital than a leading heart failure medicine. women who are pregnant must not take entresto. it can cause harm or death to an unborn baby. don t take entresto with an ace inhibitor or aliskiren. if you ve had angioedema while taking an ace or arb medicine, don t take entresto. the most serious side effects are angioedema, low blood pressure, kidney problems, or high potassium in your blood. tomorrow, i m gonna step out with my favorite girl. ask your doctor about entresto. and help make the gift of tomorrow possible. the globe. the boss liked it. then trump counselor kelly wallace kellyann conway took this leap. why come out to the podium and utter a falsehood. don t be so overly dramatic about it, chuck. you re saying it s a falsehood. they re giving sean spicer alternative facts to that. the facts he uttered were not true. alternative facts are not facts. they re falsehoods. i don t want to be overly dramatic about this to borrow a phrase there. we get silly when we worry about ourselves and how the president and his team interact with the news media. the idea that you can when you are the president or speak for the president and standing in the white house, which is owned by the taxpayers, speak alternative facts meaning deliberately say things that you know not to be true, that gets dangerous. crowd size. who cares. that will be behind us in a few days. what if it s about policy? what if it s about foreign relations? can iran come forward with alternative facts about its nuclear program? i think that s one of the things that white house reporters are not it s not abnormal to have an adversarial relationship with your sources. some days are better than others. i do think it s a question of sean spicer is supposed to be the bridge between the government that people elected and the free press which shares with the american people what this government is doing. so there is a certain level of honesty the american people have to be able to get from the person in that role. it doesn t really matter when it comes to crowd size, but it does matter when we talk about a terrorist attack. it does matter when we talk about moving american ships. it does matter when we talk about a number of these other issues that are imperative in the coming years. that s what s concerning about this. it s worth pointing out that he s now in a position where the american people are paying his salary. it s not the trump campaign. it s not the rnc. i actually thought the single most unsettling, chilling part of the entire performance was after he spews out essentially a firehose of misinformation, he says this is what you should be reporting and covering. and for someone in his first outing at that lectern to stand there in a society with a free press and a government official ordering them what to be reporting and covering is it s just so far beyond the norm. we all know sean. he s not new here. let s just say he was told to say that and we know that from reporting to be true. i don t think he personally believes in that. he took this job and his credibility is at stake. let s listen to the president himself. the president went to cia headquarters and as part of his speech there, he discussed his running war with people like us. as you know, i have a running war with the media. they are among the most dishonest human beings on earth. [ applause ] they sort of made it sound like i had a feud with the intelligence community. i just want to let you know the reason you re the number one stop is exactly the opposite. now, of course that s not true. that s not true. he started the fight with the intelligence community with his words and his tweets including at one point saying they re like nazi, germany, they were leaking on him. let s leave that aside. we did learn in the campaign if donald trump disagrees with you or thinks that you are a threat to him like his opponents, he tries to undermine you. is that what he s doing? essentially if you don t hear it from me, it s not true? they re trying to tarnish the credibility of the news media. as any president will experience, most of the press is negative press. y you get pretty hostile adversarial relationship with the press corps that does investigate on things you re not doing that you promise on the campaign trail and conflicts of interest, et cetera, and trump had his fair share of bad press. if he can say that everything we re saying is not accurate, perhaps what he s saying that no one will listen to us and listen to him. that s what they hope. he needs an enemy. he s fully aware that the press isn t in great standing with the american people. we can t worry about our popularity. neither is he. that s what all of this is about. from everything he signed today to everything he said over the weekend, it s designed to shore up his base of support. pretty soon that may be all he has. he went into the presidency last week with a rating no bigger than the 40s. the worst rating of any new president in modern history. if he starts to lose that even more, it s going to be very difficult for him to get done in the next few weeks and months, so he went after us because we re just as unpopular as congress these days frankly. that s fine. we ll continue doing our jobs. he s got to do his which means throwing us under a bus. one thing i will say in their defense which is a difficult thing to say after that sean spicer briefing and falsehoods, today they do have their reporters at the white house and letting them in to see the executive orders and that part is encouraging. this is still the people s house and press should still be let in to broadcast to the american people at least a part of what he s doing in the white house. that part is encouraging. it s a feeling out process shall we say early on. we ll see how this goes. so many fascinating moments over the weekend in the early days of the new administration. one of them was the president had a reception for first responders and law enforcement. among those there, the fbi director. you might remember his fight with the intelligence community started over these reports that the intelligence community, including the fbi director, had presented him with alleged russian compromising information but so james comey, the fbi director, is in the room and donald trump decides he wants to greet him. jim is more famous than me. [ applause ] what makes this moment rather delicious is the democrats are furious at james comey for how he handled the clinton e-mail situation during the campaign but we know as the fbi as we speak investigating possible contacts between trump associates and the russian government during the campaign. so here you have the fbi director getting called out by the president of the united states whose associates are under investigation. i don t think comey liked that probably. it undermine his credibility among liberals and democrats who don t believe he has any credibility left. it really reminds folks of the bill clinton meeting with loretta lynch on the tarmac in the middle of the hillary clinton e-mail investigation. people will point back to this moment if they don t like the results of this investigation. there s a question about whether comey stays even. a dispute about who was hugging who there? clear the president was pulling in the director. it s a fun early days here in this new one. up next, a big week for team trump on capitol hill beginning with today s debate about whether the new president is trying to bring back waterboa back waterboarding. remove 4 times more stains than detergent alone. mthat stuff only lasts a few hours. or, take mucinex. one pill fights congestion for 12 hours. guess i won t be seeing you for a while. why take medicines that only last 4 hours, when just one mucinex lasts 12 hours? 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seems this way. he issued a response to written questions over this over the last several days and suggested he would consult with attorneys to see what s allowed under the law. much different than what he said at the hearing. absolutely he would not go forward with waterboarding and emphatic about that. he will be confirmed tonight. the question is rex tillerson good news? tonight marco rubio saying he would suggest tillerson s nomination. interesting to see what will happen with the budget director nominee who has his confirmation hearing tomorrow. he has some tax issues. didn t pay taxes for several years on a household employee and acknowledged that and tom price heading to second round of confirmation hearings tomorrow for health and human services secretary. so trump may get some nominees confirmed. not on the time line he wants. we ll see the impact that has on the rest of his objective. you mentioned rex tillerson. marco rubio was the big obstacle because he said he had a lot of concerns that he was too soft on russia. other concerns. wanted commitments on cuba policy. hamlet played out and on facebook today senator rubio said this. given the uncertainty that exists at home and abroad about the direction of our foreign policy, it would be against our national interest to have this confirmation unnecessarily delayed so despite my reservations i ll support mr. tillerson s nomination. a distraction to unnecessarily delay or embroil, why not say i have reservations but it would be a dristraction. he s marco rubio. he lives for the attention. we all say it. that s what he does. he tries to do this. sticks his head out a little bit and pulls back and becomes a good soldier here again. he got out far on the limb here during that hearing. he was going after tillerson probably more than most democrats even on the committee. that s what suggested he could vote against tillerson but his aides said he had a private meeting with tillerson last week and they discussed these issues. 90-minute meeting. a blunt meeting. a hundred written questions and answers. perhaps some of his questions were alleviated. it does feed a lot of criticism of the way rubio played this. attention will shift to other nominees now that tillerson is through. we may see the confirmation of elaine choi. pompeo will go tonight. democrats keep honing in on betsy devobets betsy devos. democrats are asking for another hearing saying now that we ve seen her ethics paperwork released friday night in the middle of the inaugural festivities, they found problems. this is all democrats can do is try to delay things as long as possible because now you only need 51 senators. republicans have 52. there s no sign of republican opposition. the quick confirmations were general mattis for defense department and general kelly for homeland security and nikki haley moving through noncontroversial picks. you mentioned mccain skeptical of tillerson has come around. he talked to him several times and tillerson sounds tougher when it comes to russia than president trump does. george stephanopoulos asked this question. i have the utmost confidence in general flynn, general kelly, dan coats. i couldn t have picked a better team. i m confident that he will listen to them and be guided by them. you say you have utmost confidence in his team. do you have utmost confidence in donald trump? i do not know. he has made so many comments that are contradictory. this is sort of one of the defining themes of the early weeks of the trump administration. leadi leading figures in his own party say i don t know. consistency is not the hallmark of donald trump style. you brought up waterboarding a few moments ago. even on that issue donald trump told the new york times almost immediately after the election that general mattis sort of made him rethink this. maybe it doesn t work so well. and when you listen to some of these confirmation hearings, rex tillerson said during his confirmation hearing that he and donald trump had never discussed russia. that his department of he s only the secretary of state. his department of homeland security chief is not part of the immigration discussions. it s extraordinary. people don t know who donald trump is going to listen to within his camp. people that are close to him? his family members? his cabinet secretary? many of whom have very different views and trump has not necessarily as karen said been consistent on these views so where does he come down? reminds me when i asked marco rubio in october, do you think donald trump will keep america safe? he said i think the military will keep america safe. i think you re hearing some of that from republicans even in the early days of the new white house. watch as it plays out. nervousness in town. again. candidate trump transition president-elect trump, and president trump keeping everyone on their toes. the most important story mr. president trump that people are not paying enough attention to coming up. absolutely ageless® night cream with active naturals® blackberry complex. younger looking skin can start today. absolutely ageless® from aveeno®. i m good.? i just took new mucinex clear and cool. what s this sudden cooooling thing happening? it s got a menthol burst. you can feel it right away. new mucinex clear & cool. feel the menthol burst. while powerful medicine clears your worst cold symptoms. let s end this. seconds can mean the difference between life and death. for partners in health, time is life. we have 18,000 people around the world. the microsoft cloud helps our entire staff stay connected and work together in real time to help those that need it. the ability to collaborate changes how we work. what we do together changes how we live. people confuse but they re different. nice tells you what you want to hear. but kind is honest. this bar is made with cranberries and almonds. so, guess what? 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we had that big march on washington this weekend organized by various women s groups. not organized by the democratic party but a lot of big stars that may think about 2020 were there. interesting to see them show up. remember, these tea party rallies began a few years back were proving ground for a lot of folks that got elected into congress and elected governor in some states if these keep up would be interesting to watch. one thing i found interesting. only one official congressional candidate on the official list of speakers. a woman who is running in the 13-person democratic primary in los angeles to replace the candidate who becomes california attorney general. fun, fun, fun. like it or not, the 2018 midterm cycle is upon us and that means the retirement watch is upon us too. a number of senate democrats and republicans, people looking at possibly not running for re-election including some veterans like dianne feinstein of california, orrin hatch of utah, bill nelson of florida, all coming to the top of the list. feinstein i asked specifically about that. she said she dodged a question when i asked hatch who said he would retire after his last re-election and now suggesting he may run again saying that he s getting encouragement to run again and bill nelson is running like a jackrabbit. people can change their minds but one person to also look out for is bob menendez indicted on corruption charges running for re-election at this point. we ll see if that changes if that indictment turns into a conviction. no youth movement in the united states senate is what you re trying to say. karen? mine is a reminder in president trump s news conference a couple weeks ago he said he would have a supreme court nominee ready for us within a few weeks. the size of this fight is going to dwarf anything that we have seen. this really is going to be his test among other people the evangelicals who sort of put aside what they don t like about his personal life and what they don t like about his past positions because to them the supreme court was everything. i think for a lot of these people that we saw marching on saturday, the same could be argued. that s a great point. democrats still mad the senate wouldn t consider president obama s picks. there could be playback there. i ll close with this. sometimes silence speaks volumes. take major business groups like the chamber of commerce. most big business organizations are supporters of the trade agreements president trump plans to abandon but largely silents the president takes the first big steps in enacting his america first promises. one reason, they like other parts of the trump agenda like slashing corporate taxes and regulations and they hope republican allies in congress will prevent the trump white house from enacting that border tax the president talked about this morning. there s another big reason too. trump loves getting into fights with establishment groups so keeping quiet, not provoking a trump counterpunch is viewed as the smart tragedy early on. thank you for joining us on inside politics. wolf blitzer will be here after a quick break. dry skin? 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katy tur picks things up. i m not sure that donald trump can speak fluent japanese. we have a team of reporters working on finding that out. we also have a team of reporters to break down donald trump s second bilateral meeting. that press conference that we justaw between donald trump and the prime minister of japan, shinzo abe. it has been a gruelling week for the new president. his major policy and major policy point, executive order struck down at least temporarily by the courts. that press conference we just saw touched on that. let s get our viewers up to speed with the highlights and then we ll talk all about it on the other side. i m curious about yesterday s ruling in the ninth circuit court. has it caused you to rethink your use of executive power and pow will you respond and will you sign new executive orders and perhaps a new travel ban? we are going to do whatever is necessary to keep our country safe. we had a decision which we think will be very successful with. it shouldn t have taken this much time because safety is primary reason, one of the reasons i m standing here today. you said earlier this week and i m quoting for you, you said i learned a lot in the last two weeks and terrorism is a far greater threat than the people of our country understand. but we re going to take care of it. based off of what you have learned and now knowing that your executive order is at least temporarily on hold, do you still feel as confident now as you have been at any point that you and the administration will be able to protect the homeland. we will have tremendous security for the people of the united states. we will be extreme vetting, which is a term that i developed early in my campaign. there are tremendous threats to our country. we will not allow that to happen. i can tell you that right now. as i said, we have a team of people to break this all down. let s go over to peter alexander in the white house and was in that news conference. peter, correct me if i m wrong, we did hear donald trump say there is going to be some sort of new security measure in place by next week. do we have any idea whatsoever what he could be talking about? we don t know exactly what that is. i think his word was that it will be put into place rapidly. here s what we do know. we do know following the ninth circuit court of appeals decision, this ruling basically keeping the stay in place right now on his executive immigration order that senior officials at the white house tell me before and after that ruling they have been having conversations about their path forward that include continuing to pursue this case further. they tell me they believe they will be proven correct on the merits of the order itself but separately they say that they are working on potentially signing another immigration executive order going forward in their words so it can be put into place very soon. that s one thing we ll watch right now. president trump today given this is a topic many americans have been focused on and given some of his past comments even last week on twitter he said basically if the court ruled against this that americans could never have the security that they deserve. he said he felt confident that americans would have the security they deserve and he basically said he had no doubt that he would prevail in federal court. let s go over to pete williams, our nbc justice correspondent, who is in washington. pete, what is the next step for president trump and if he does go over and amend this executive order as peter just mentioned, is there a way to do so to get around the courts? there are a number of options. one is to go to the supreme court. there doesn t seem to be any rush to do that. i m not even sure that s going to happen today if they decide to do that at all. a second possibility would goo the full ninth circuit court of appeals. doesn t seem to be much point in that. if they do pursue this in court as the president said, it would seem the logical thing would be the supreme court. they haven t, as i understand it, made a decision to do that yet. the other problem here is no matter even if they were able to persuade the u.s. supreme court to lift the stay and let the government enforce this order, there s another stay likely coming from the federal court here in alexandria, virginia, which heard argument on a preliminary injunction and lawsuit brought by virginia which makes virtually the same claims that the two states did that prevailed in the ninth circuit yesterday. one possible way to improve its legal standing would be to narrow the executive order. ninth circuit court of appeals in its ruling last night seem to point the way of this saying one of the reasons the states have a good case is that the executive order effects green card holders no matter what the white house said. that s what the executive orders said and people who have visas are visiting here faculty, students, people who want to travel for high-tech companies, fa families divided and said the executive order appeals to people overseas who want to come here from those seven countries for the first time, perhaps the executive order would have an easier time in court. i was reading the decision yesterday by the court and on page 27 or so there was the judges talked about the white house s defense. said they didn t have a defense and they didn t think they needed to have a defense. they didn t have evidence, excuse me, and they didn t think they needed it. they said we disagree. the white house was basically arguing that donald trump as president, commander in chief, has the authority, no matter what, to institute policies he believes are in the national security interest. is that what the decision was holding up or did the decision strike that down definitively? the decision rejected the claim that this wasn t reviewable. that it shouldn t be reviewed by a court and rooted that judgment in some very big cases, including the case in 2008 where george w. bush said, look, i can hold a bosnian foreign resident at guantanamo, and they don t get to come into u.s. courts. that was a very compelling argument. talk about law and politics. politically the notion that someone who is not an american who is in gitmo because they might have been a terrorist doesn t get to come use our courts and our benefits. it was politically appealing. the supreme court rejected that said even with national security, there s access to the court. that reviewable thing is something that has not obviously been accepted by the ninth circuit or even other courts. for example, they did get a positive ruling that s been talked about less by district court in boston but that also did review and take the case. it didn t dismiss it for lack of standing and didn t basically say this is such a differential item of national security we re not going to touch it at all. they lost that round but there s a lot of other strong arguments on their side when they get to the merits. i want to talk about something else that i saw not necessarily on the travel ban, but on donald trump s national security adviser, michael flynn, who came in, sat down in the front row of that news conference. this is coming amid some serious allegations that he s facing. he flat out denied that he spoke to the russian ambassador to the united states about sanctions before donald trump was inaugurated. he denied it. sean spicer denied it. reince priebus denied it. vp mike pence denied it. you see mike pence shaking hands with mike flynn a moment ago. is this a big deal? it s a very big deal because we may have a case where as andrea mitchell said just recently, we saw russian behavior do something unusual. after we expelled russian diplomats, we shutdown two big russian facilities that were weekend homes but operations but president obama said intelligence activities were going on there. russians didn t escalate. in the midst of that, we know that mike flynn made a series of phone calls and had exchanges and i suspect somewhere we have the transcripts of those calls because the russian ambassador is someone who would fall under the national security agency s watch list. i think that will be interesting to find out whether the signals intelligence on that activity produces transcripts that eventually see the light of day. and the big thing was we don t know whether mike pence lied to the american people or mike flynn lied to vice president pence. that s the key thing. the legal part of this is that people keep saying the logan act was never enforced. the logan act basically is a provision that says that if you are a u.s. citizen, you cannot go negotiate private deals with foreign governments particularly ones with whom we have an antagonistic relationship. this looks like a textbook violation of the logan act. politically though, how bad is this for this administration to have sean spicer, white house spokesman, vp mike pence and reince priebus chief of staff come out and say he never said it. he never discussed sanctions. are they going to pay a price in congress? are they going to pay a price in terms of trust with the american people? it s horrible for them obviously. the question of the price they re going to pay is different. first of all, trump voters are pro-russia as we ve seen. they aren t alarmed by this in the way you would normally expect. i think, if in fact, the problem goes back to flynn and not pence or staff, i can imagine them tossing them under the bus over this. the question of the transcripts which the new york times reported do exist will put to the test his words. was it a lie or not? we ll know pretty quickly. the spies are always listening. we always have former governor of new mexico, bill richardson. you spent quite a bit of time in the white house, not this particular white house. i know it s hard to talk about what goes on behind the scenes in this one. tell me in your experience if a high level adviser or the nsa frankly said something that was incorrect and maybe told the vp something that was incorrect and convinced sean spicer, the press secretary, if he did that, what sort of consequences normally would there be in place if it was found out that that was not true? well, there would be very severe consequences. i would think that the national security adviser would have to resign. i think what we re seeing here is a foreign policy, national security policy, in total disarray. the travel ban, damage control, of course there will be a plan b. this relationship with japan, damage control, it s a good summit. it s a very important u.s./japan relatiship that needs to be repaired and it s on its way. but lurking on all of this is this mistake that the president made in taking the phone call from the taiwanese and putting aside the one china policy, which has been the cornerstone of american foreign policy and now the chinese are wondering with abe is japan now the center of u.s. policy in asia? you know, there s a foreign policy national security decision making with the national security adviser now with a son-in-law. is he in charge of foreign policy. what about the secretary of state? the national security adviser. general flynn. what s his role? it shows that you can t make foreign policy by tweeting, by executive order, without sound preparation. what about the secretary of state? rex tillerson. he seems to be a capable person. is he involved in any of this? i m concerned. and dignitaries arrived, president obama wouldn t be at the door. it would be protocol in that white house that another individual would bring that foreign leader inside where they would meet the president in the oval office. similarly today during the news conference, president trump for the first ten minutes of shinzo abe s comments was not wearing the translation headset. he wasn t wearing it. we reached out to the white house for more detail about that. he did appear to be engaged in the conversation. it s not entirely clear how much of it he understood. tt was a big question that everybody had. exactly. pete williams, final word to you. let s talk more about the ban. just tell us what is next? well, as i said before, the next option is going to the supreme court. i don t know that they re going to do that. they don t seem to want to do it very quickly or possibly revising it. pete williams, thank you very much. our entire team, ton of people here to break this down for me. thank you all. next up, more on trump s national security adviser michael flynn, who is in the hot seat right now. did he actually break the law? the logan act you just heard steve mention. we ll talk to ambassador to russia michael mcfall. he joins me next. knowing where you stand. it s never been easier. except when it comes to your retirement plan. but at fidelity, we re making retirement planning clearer. and it all starts with getting your fidelity retirement score. in 60 seconds, you ll know where you stand. and together, we ll help you make decisions for your plan. to keep you on track. time to think of your future it s your retirement. know where you stand. parts a and b and want more coverage, guess what? you could apply for a medicare supplement insurance plan whenever you want. no enrollment window. no waiting to apply. that means now may be a great time to shop for an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. medicare doesn t cover everything. and like all standardized medicare supplement insurance plans, these help cover some of what medicare doesn t pay. so don t wait. call now to request your free decision guide. it could help you find the aarp medicare supplement plan that works for you. these types of plans have no networks, so you get to choose any doctor who accepts medicare patients. rates are competitive, and they re the only plans of theirind endorsed by aarp. remember - these planlet you apply all year round. so call today. because now s the perfect time to learn more. go long. a foreign diplomat. let s parse it in different layers. generally speaking in my view americans should have the right and should not be illegal to talk to foreign diplomats. that s the ambassador s job here in the united states of america. i just hosted him at stanford a couple months ago. that was my job when i was a u.s. ambassador to talk to government and civil society people. so generally speaking, we shouldn t start to make that a problem. that s my first point. second, obviously u.s. officials and u.s. nongovernment officials and oil company executives and former secretaries of state when they meet with russian officials probably are expressing different opinions about obama administration policy when i was in the government. they didn t agree with everything we did. sometimes they said that publicly. i have no doubt that they expressed that privately. that should be okay as well. you should have a right to have a different opinion from your government. what you shouldn t do is undermine u.s. policy in a direct way. especially when you re a member of the transition team. we have a norm that says one president at a time, and i don t know the law. i don t want to speculate about the logan act, but the norm that we should have one president at a time and not undermine a sitting president should be respected and that s what troubles me about the reporting in the washington post today. that s what could have happened. michael flynn talked to the russian ambassador. i know president obama put sanctions on you and expelled a number of russians from this country in retaliation for mettme meddling into this election but don t worrybout it and be cool because when we get to the white house, things will change. i don t have any independent confirmation that s what he said. the story is impressive in its reporting, a. b, another thing we should note, president putin did not react and did not respond as he usually does. that was most certainly my experience when i was in the government, was striking to me. i said that when he decided we won t expel those diplomats. that s not how they responded, for instance, back in 2000 when the bush administration expelled a bunch of diplomats in the beginning of their administration. the russians responded in kind here he had a different response. that s intriguing and different. former u.s. ambassador to russia michael mcfaul, thank you. and up next we discuss trump s stunning defeat in court over his travel ban and what happens next. fun in art class. come close, come close. i like that. 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are you hearing rumblings from them about this matter? at this moment, not yet. it s still new. on the fundamental question of the russians interfering with our elections, there is a uniform concern by members of congress that that is something that just cannot be brushed aside. we have to get right to the core of this issue. anything that flynn did to give assurances to putin through the russian ambassador that there would be relief given from the obama sanctions immediately after the trump administration was sworn in would go right to the core of whether or not mr. flynn is in fact qualified to be an adviser to a president of the united states on the most serious national security issues, which our nation is confronted it. senator, on the travel ban, the white house is looking at redrafting it according to nbc news reporting. what would it need to look like to get your approval? it would have to be constitutional. we operate in america under a rule of law, not a rule of men, not a rule of trump. these executive orders have to comply with constitutional protections. the fifth amendment due process protections. the 14th amendment due process protections. these are not things that just can be casually dismissed by any president. that s why these constraints are placed upon the books so that we have a system of checks and balances. they should just tear up this existing executive order. it is not going to ultimately be something that they can t implement. they should go back to the drawing table. make sure that it s not just a ban on muslims that goes right to the core of whether or not we are going to allow for the establishment of religious tests within our nation and try to craft something that is consistent with our national security interests but simultaneously reflects our highest constitutional goals to give equal protection and due process to people who come under the laws of our nation. senator, thank you so much for joining me on this busy friday. guys out there, did you see this? 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i would correct one thing on that. yes, hillary clinton didn t win democrats didn t win the house or senate. we picked up six seats in the house. i agree this was not a stellar year for us by any means but there were positive signs. i do think that much of what we re going to deal with is really the bombastic nature of this presidency and trump regime and olding our republican sideth aisle accountable. they are squeamish about this. beyond holding donald trump accountable, what sort of solutions are the democratic party proposing to get voters to their side? one thing that s hurting americans right now is college affordability. their ability to actually afford and to send the children to college. and really do that in a debt free way. democrats have plans. we have a plan to actually provide for debt free college for people who are struggling to really advance the way in this country. we re here to protect the affordable care act and expand those opportunities to make sure that anyone who wants insurance can have insurance. we want to have a portable life-long pension for people who have worked their whole lives that really need to retire in the middle class. that s what democratic party has stood for and has stood for and will stand for. that s why we re going to win the election in 2018. congressman joe crowly, democrat of new york. thank you for joining us. let s talk to brendan steinhouser. you know how the tea party movement works. you were there back in 2009. you saw how that enabled a wave of republicans to win in congress and ultimately for donald trump to win the white house. how do the democrats use that sort of same anger, that same grassroots frustration to their advantage? it s going to be tough. they do have a bad map in 2018 and a lot of senators who are going to be competing in 2018, democrats, who are in trump states. so they ve got a really tough road ahead. i think they really have to pick and choose what issues they focus on and go back to the pocketbook issues and democrats are going to have to rethink their message a little bit on things like taxes and spending and regulations on small businesses. those types of issues will be front and center in 2018 and they have to appeal to small business owners and moms and pops of the world and middle class americans who had been squeezed and a big challenge ahead in 2018. donald trump has only been president for three weeks. it feels like it s been so much longer. we re seeing angry town halls and protests around the country. is that sort of grassroots anger, that sort of grassroots energy sustainable for long enough for the democrats to use it to their advantage in 2018 even though the map is not necessarily in their favor? sure. it can be. they ve got a lot of work to do. they need to provide training and support to their activists. they need to get some wins. if they continue to ask activists to go out there and call senators and congressmen and keep losing vote after vote and losing on nomination fights, people may get burned out and say i won t pay as close of attention. they have to come up with some wins whether on the local level or at the state level to convince activists that they can win because otherwise you can see people get demoralized and leave the process. we did that well in the tea party movement was providing those small wins and motivation and continuing to train people and teach them how to be effective as activists and also in elections. personal note, you have a very cute baby. i saw your wife posted on instagram of her watching the television the other day when you were on. congratulations. thank you. i appreciate it. let s check today s microsoft pulse question. we have been asking should congressional committee investigate kellyanne conway s comments about ivanka trump s clothing like. 85% of you say yes. 15% say no. you have time to vote, go to pulse.msnbc.com to let your voice be heard. next up, the ucla view of trump s travel ban. where the fight goes from here. nosy neighbor with a keen sense of smell. glad bag, full of trash. what happens next? 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putin is a killer. we got a lot of killers. do you think our country is so innocent. that was just sunday. trump needing a win, got three by the end of the week. devos, price and sessions. i, jeff sessions, to solemnly swear tensions so high during sessions confirmation that senator warren was silenced for reading the words of coretta scott king. is there an objection? i appeal the ruling. objection is heard. the senator will take her seat. and that was about as good as the news got for the white house. the temporary fate of the executive order was still looming. are you arguing that the president s decision in that regard is unreviewable? yes. opening questions of where the case could wind up. supreme court you think? we ll see. for trump, what the court s intent was. i don t want to call a court bias. we haven t had a decision yet. but courts seem to be so political. backed in a corner and looking for a distraction, the president lashed out at his favorite enemy. it s gotten to a point where it s not even being reported and in many cases, the very, very dishonest press doesn t want to report it. once again, raising the issue of conflict of interest. kellyanne conway in trouble with the house oversight committee. go by ivanka s stuff is what i will tell you. i hate shopping. i m going to get some myself today. sean spicer not doing himself any favors in the press conference. this is silly. next. thank you. you ve asked your question. thank you. potentially giving melissa mccarthy some new material. okay. we re going to have to wait and see whether or not melissa mccarthy shows up tomorrow on snl. we don t have to wait for more talk on this travel ban. that s going to continue to be a fight no doubt about it. joining me now, lee, you have a lot of experience in this. you ve been doing it for years and fighting the government for decades now. specifically on immigration issues. do you think that there s a way they can redraft the order that would make it constitutional and acceptable? right. i do not think that any ban they would put in place would be acceptable or legal. if they talk about something radically different, just different vetting procedures, that s one thing. if they re talking about a complete ban, especially one that s focused on muslim countries, no, i don t think any redrafting can be done. if they do redraft it and it s exempting green card holders, providing due process provisions and really refining and defining what it means when it comes to religion, is that something that you could potentially find more palatable if they talk about the national interest? right. there s no question the president should be protecting national security. what we object to is the overbroad nature of this and just sweeping everyone in. some of our clients worked for the u.s. military but they were swept in. the other myth out there is that if you exempt green card holders, everything is fine. it s not just green card holders because the religious discrimination affects everyone. could they add due process and take out religious discrimination, we talk about a different thing we would have to look at. i don t think the redrafting is going to remove the taint of religious discrimination that s gone on. there s a good chance that this is going to go to the supreme court potentially. donald trump said that he would welcome that if it needed to happen. are you prepared is the other side prepared to argue this in front of four on four panel. obviously they don t have their ninth judge in place at the moment. you know, we re definitely prepared. i think you see everyone geared up. it s not just the lawyer but the community groups and everyone. we ll do whatever we need to do. i don t know that they re going to take to the supreme court right now especially in this early posture. if they do, we re going to be prepared. one of the amazing things is that when i walked out of court after arguing that first muslim ban case the saturday night, there were a thousand people out there. that s an unbelievable confluence of community groups, leaders and lawyers. we re in a real civil rights moment not just lawyers going into court making technical arguments and not just protests but everyone combining. we ll definitely be ready if they do it. what do civil rights extend to? if you re an immigrant trying to get into this country not yet here but you re working at it, do our american civil rights, our american beliefs and ideals extend to you trying to get in or just once you get to this soil? if you re outside the country, do you have a legal right to come in automatically? no, of course not. no one is arguing that. but can the u.s. government select who they re going to bring in by race, religion, no. that s what we object to. if congress is going to limit the number of immigrants we re going to bring in in a given year putting aside refugees which is a separate thing, that s fine. but if it starts selecting people on the basis of region, that s where aclu objects. thank you. next hour, the man who possibly has the answer for how president trump can salvage his travel ban harvard law professor joins kate snow. we ll be right back. american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open.com. bounty is more absorbent,mom per roll find out how american express cards and services so the roll can last 50% longer than the leading ordinary brand. so you get more life per roll. bounty, the quicker picker upper parts a and b and want more coverage, guess what? 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reporter: certainly. that will be a challenge for some of them especially in districts where the president is very popular. if members did not side with him on this. i think the big question right now is will it get to the floor? that s a decision that doesn t reside in the white house. it s really a decision for the majority leaders of the republicans, kevin mccarthy a long with the speaker, they run the floor. if they believe it is sort of a doomed bill, they ve got to make a calculation about tip typically you could see them not put it on the floor with that political exposure for each and every member to be recorded on something that went nowhere. that s typically how this goes. we saw the president saying he wanted a vote. that was a point of leverage. in the time we ve been talking about this and when we ve been updating our own whip counts and describing the mood and the atmosphere, i can assure you, if there were people in leadership who thought we had that wrong, they would be calling our phones, they would be pinging us, trying to move the narrative back to the upswing. they re paying attention. of course, you know, i ve got my phone in hand and i would gladly take such an update. but right now, members are telling me they have not been given any guidance on what happens on the floor. the debate is unfolding. we know the speaker is back here. i think we re in a bit of a hunker down mode where they ll share with leadership the results of that white house consideration and make some decisions. so, i think we re probably in a window that could be very newsy. this hallway is crowded. we re here standing by for any updates. kelly o donnell making a great point. if you say something lawmakers do not agree with, their reps get on the phone with you pretty quickly. our nbc news count stands at 34 republicans who will say no to this house gop health care bill. that is as of right now. obviously, that could change at any moment. joe walsh, you have spent a ton of time there in congress. you know how things work. is this a stain, the fact we re even having this debate over it right now and there s this uncertainty about it, is this bill a stain on the republican party? katy, absolutely. having know how this works, i d be stunned if there s a vote. the republican party screwed this up from the beginning. these freedom caucus guys, of which i was one, we pledged to our voters to repeal obamacare and we don t believe this bill does that. and then you have more liberal republicans who don t want a repeal of obamacare, this entitlement. so, the bill is getting squeezed from both sides. it was doomed from the beginning. and it s just weird that paul ryan and the party didn t understand that. here s the question, though, republicans, especially the freedom caucus, have spent the last seven, eight years saying, no, no, no, no. this-s this a party that knows how to legislate, that knows how to be the party of yes? from our perspective, from the freedom caucus perspective, this was a chance to say yes. we ve got our guy in the white house, doggone it, let s timely repeal obamacare. again, the mind set here from my perspective and the freedom caucus perspective is, this is not repealing obamacare. look, i give trump a lot of credit, katy, for working it, but trump did the didn t run on this. we ran on this. you know that. republicans the last seven years, this has been in our bones. this isn t in trump s bones. he s anxious to get onto other things, i think. donald trump not necessarily invested in the policy, is what i think you re trying to get at, although yes. he certainly said those words very frequently on the campaign trail, repeal and replace obamacare. joe, thank you. stay with us. let s go to capitol hill where house minority whip steny hoyer of maryland is standing by with us. congressman, the narrative out of the white house, and it has been for a while, certainly among republicans as well, is that obamacare is collapsing. that it is something that needs to be fixed right now, repealed and replaced. is that true? is it collapsing? we don t accept that at all. and cbo did not accept that. again, they want to reject cbo but cbo said it would be stable. what they are trying to do is destroy it in every way they can. they re trying to destroy the confidence in the market. they re trying to destroy the confidence in the consumers. they re jaw boning this effort to make they say what is happening happen. it is not. the affordable care act is helping the american people. it s brought the cost of health care down. not for everybody, but down in terms of the last few decades so we think the affordable care act is working but we don t think it s perfect. we would be willing to work with our republican colleagues to fix that which is not working as well as we would like it to do. let me if i can, you talked about calling you if we disagreed. you said the president thinks he s done everything he could do. very frankly, what the president said he was going to do was present a bill to congress that would ensure every american, every american, at lower cost and better quality. the president has offered no such bill. this is his bill because he supports it but it s not his bill because he put it together. in fact, the reason it s having so much trouble, it does not do what the president said his bill would do. he doesn t have a bill. we re not considering that bill. and this bill does not give every american insurance. in fact, 24 million people lose their insurance. in fact, the cost of premiums and deductibles will go up under this bill. that s what cbo says. just last night, just last night in the dead of night, they removed the assurance that when the clock back to a darker time. i will fight every single attempt to turn a deaf ear, blind eye and cold shored to the sick, to our seniors and to working families. mr. speaker, i will fight of day, every hour, every minute, and every second! with every breath and every bone in my body. we must not give up. we cannot. i will not give in. not today, not tomorrow and never! ever. on this bill there s only one option. and that option is to vote no. congressman john lewis giving an impassioned speech right now on the floor of the house, saying to vote no as a democrat. very clearly, though, he will be voting no. our whip count stands at 34 republicans voting no. congressman highw congressman hoyer, i want to get back to you. president trump has roll back a number of regulations that girds obamacare. with anticipation of being a repeal and replace, a number of health care companies have left the exchanges, left the marketplace. given that, is it necessary to do something right now to make sure that the americans who do have health care under this plan do continue to have health care but affordable health care. the answer to your question is no. there s not something that s an emergency now to pass this bill. the affordable care act is working. it s not working perfectly. there were some things we would like to fix in the small market, for small businesses. that s not what was done. we have this bill that was introduced two weeks ago. it was introduced in the dead of night, considered 36 hours later for mark-ups, no single. not a single american was asked their opinions and the committee didn t have a cbo score. the answer is, no, there is not an emergency but there is a responsibility that each of us has to work together to make what john lewis just so passionately talked about, health care available and relied upon by all americans. donald trump running for president and to the american people in the state of the union really not state of the union, but in his speech just two weeks ago looked in the camera and said, i m going to be supporting a program that will give every american insurance coverage. in fact, in nine years under this republican bill, 52 million americans will not have health insurance. he said he was going to make sure that it brought costs down. in fact, cbo tells us that premiums, deductible and cost of insurance will go up substantially. and seniors will pay three, four, five times as much as they are now paying. i refer to seniors in the 50 to 64 before they get medicare. the fact of the matter is, there is not an emergency. the republicans keep trying to create an emergency to support their bill. but apparently they have not convinced their own members and certainly they have not convinced us. congressman, thank you. jeff can i say something further? not only have they not convinced us, the american people, every day this bill has been under consideration, less of them support this bill. and now by a 3 to 1 margin, 17%, 20% who don t have an opinion, but people that have an opinion by a 3 to 1 margin say, don t pass this bill. it s bad for me and my family. congressman hoyer, i believe, is citing a quinnipiac poll released yesterday. yes. thank you, congressman. you bet. thank you. jeff weaver, former bernie sanders campaign manager, is also with us. jeff, anybody who has a pulse right now can see just how fraught things are in congress, how partisan it is. the inability to get things done. where does this country go from here? is there a forward or what this is the next four, eight, 16, 34 years look like? well, the problem we re having on the hill is that the republicans have chose to go it alone. they want to throw millions of people off health care. they want to dismantle the affordable care act. and they know at the get go that democrats are not going to go along with that. there are some problems with the affordable care act. but the solution to those problems are none of which in the republican plan. the problem with the affordable care act is we need to go in the other direction. we need a public option so people have another choice where to buy their insurance. we need to lower the age of medicare, maybe down to 55, so there are ways to fix the affordable care act. but republicans know they re going to try to dismantle a program that has given health insurance to tens of millions of people that democrats are going to oppose it. could single payer ever work in this country? absolutely. we have a number of examples. medicare, for instance, is a single payer program for people 65 and over. talk to people who are 65 and over. they like medicare. the va is a single payer program for people who served in the military. ask military veterans, they like the va, despite some of its problems, which could be fixed with additional funding. va s had quite a few problems, jeff. yes. this notion i got to jump in. this notion that the republicans are getting pounded because they re going this alone, my god, why are we in this position? what the hell did the democrats do seven years ago yesterday? they went about obamacare all alone. the republicans didn t start this. they ve botched what they re doing right now, i ll acknowledge this. but that canard the republicans are going this alone, my god, that s what the democrats did seven years ago and that s why we re here. gentlemen they re going it alone and now they have the radicals in their own party just like the democrats did seven years ago. gentlemen, gentlemen, i m going to leave it here. i think the point i was trying to make and the question i was trying to get ais it s so partisan, so completely partisan, how does anything get done in washington. isn t this exactly what donald trump ran on, getting things done, fixing things, making things change, being different. gentlemen, congressman joe walsh and jeff weaver, we appreciate it, as well as everyone else who joined us for the first 18 minutes of this show. coming up next, texas congressman castro who sits on the house intel committee, we ll ask him if he has confidence that his chairman can fairly investigate the trump administration. we re talking about wiretapping, devin nunes, adam schiff and everything else going on in congress right now. stay with us. s party! 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well, you know, even as recently as yesterday morning, i was praising chairman nunes and other members of the committee for conducting what had to that point been a fairly bipartisan investigation aimed at getting to the trut of what happened in the 2016 election. but recent events, first his going to the white house before talking to the ranking member, speaking to the press before talking to the committee, and then today canceling the open public hearing on tuesday, these things are very troubling. they really just underscore why many democrats have argued we need an independent commission separate from the congress, separate from the politicians here. a group of bipartisan group of citizens to look into this rather than congress. let s look at the hearing from march 28th. it was supposed to include sally yates, and james clapper. congressman schiff, your ranking member, said that devin nunes cancellation of this in the public forum, at least, is essentially choking off public information, bringing this behind closed doors when the public needs to know what is going on, even if they couldn t know everything that was going on. do you agree? i absolutely agree. as much of this as possible should be done in open in the open, in public. we should have as much transparency as possible. i realize there are going to be instances where you need to go into closed session because you re dealing with classified information. but if you think about it, if we had not had that hearing earlier in the week in open session, the country would not know the significant revelation that james comey made, which is that members of the trump team are under investigation for their connection to the russians who interfered with our elections. congressman nunes yesterday or a few days ago goes to the white house and presents the white house with information. he still has of today is not revealing where he got that information, which is to be expected. but he s also not denying and refusing tore confirm or deny that it came from the white house itself. at what point is the committee going to be able to see the evidence that congressman nunes cited the other day? that is a great question. it s one with no answer so far. all of us in the committee, except the chairman, are still in the dark as to what he saw. as i mentioned on monday when i was questioning director comey, i made the point to ask about leaks possibly coming from the white house. and i think that may have been the case here. do you belief this was a partisan effort to give the white house cover? at this point it sure looks like an attempt for political cover, yes. if so, do you think congressman nunes has to step aside, that house speaker paul ryan should ask him to step aside? well, you know, as ranking member schiff said earlier, that s a decision for the speaker, but the speaker should make sure that whoever is leading this committee is perceived as credible and trustworthy by the american people. now, i know that over the last few days especially, many folks have been asking for devin nunes resignation. the one caveat i would put out there is if you look at the range of people who they could replace him with, i would want to know who they re going to put in the chair before saying he should be gone because there are some people on there who, believe it or not, could be far worse to lead this investigation. texas congressman joaquin castro on the intel investigation. thank you. as we await this 4:00 p.m. house vote, there are still more questions than answers who will win and lose if this becomes law. mark sanford just walked out of that meeting with the freedom caucus members at the capitol club with vice president mike pence. take a listen. there s a lot of emotion in the room. people very strongly about, you know, trying to find a way to get to yes. [ inaudible ] thank you. sorry, congressman, last one. could they bring the bill if there are not enough votes? that s beyond [ inaudible ] appreciate it. we apologize. that might have been hard to hear. what we think what i could tell from what addition what i could hear from him is he was looking for a yes on this vote, that everybody is looking for a yes. sanford at one point said he was a no and started to waiver. our nbc news whip count shows 34 saying no to the gop health care plan. we break down what this bill means to you. first, our microsoft pulse question of the day. we re asking, do you believe republicans can rally enough votes to pass the health care plan today? the pulse is open. cast your vote at pulse.msnbc.com. announcer: get on your feet for the nastiest bull in the state of texas. 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then you could figure out a way to change the state thaw live in. why do we look to so you should move? no, they could try to change their own state legislature and their state laws. change the state you liv in or, essentially, move, if you need maternity care. this one to me falls into the category of adding insult to injury in a bill that already disproportionately impacts women negatively, from defunding planned parenthood to this. imagine if you re a woman of child-bearing age and you can only afford the bare minimum of a plan. your costs would absolutely skyrocket if you have to buy another subsidy just to afford maternity care. let s also remember what is in maternal fetal care. this is also prenatal care for your unborn child. the repercussions could be felt for generations after something like this. care for the baby, not necessarily the mother. absolutely, absolutely. i mean, there are anecdotes about congenital defects picked up in utero that are taking care of after the baby is born. i hope this resonates with a lot of people, not just women in this country. disproportionately affected by many of these proposals, but so are the children who, bit, are covered in great depth by medicaid in this country. i just want to point out something. yesterday there was a meeting between donald trump and the freedom caucus about this bill, specifically what came up was these benefits they want to do away with, maternity care being one of them. in the photo behind the meeting, but not a single woman. yes. which, of course, resonates with you and me very much. but i think, you know, sometimes i think it s easier if you have if i speak from a point of view of being a physician. we talk about how essential it is that all of these benefits are covered otherwise the plans become so skimpy. if i give you just the example of a disease like rheumatoid arthritis, all the benefits that are listed there are things that a patient would utilize. radiology services, lab services, rehabilitation services. and, again, i would make the argument, nobody thinks they re ever going to get a chronic disease. nobody ever thinks they re going to come down with cancer. you re gambling against yourself if you choose not to have health insurance. talk to me about pre-existing conditions quickly. they re going to go back to the way they were before obamacare or pre-existing conditions still going to be covered? we don t know, right, because we don t know exactly what s in the bill. my point is, even if you say to somebody, we will cover your pre-existing condition but your plan doesn t offer services as i listed, laboratory, prevention, vaccines, you know, rehabilitation, what s the point? you re really not appropriately covering a pre-existing condition if you re not covering all of these benefits. dr. natalie azar, appreciate your time. thank you for breaking it down for us. as we speak, there s a mad dash to get the votes needed to pass this gop health care plan. we ll take you back to capitol hill where nbc s kelly o donnell is tracking the yeas and the nays. that s next. higher! higher! parents aren t perfect, but then they make us kraft mac & cheese and everything s good again. lyrica can significantly relieve fibromyalgia pain and improve function, so i feel better. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions or suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worsening depression, or unusual changes in mood or behavior. or swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling, or blurry vision. common side effects are dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain and swelling of hands, legs and feet. don t drink alcohol while taking lyrica. don t drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. those who have had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. with less pain, i can be more active. ask your doctor about lyrica. i can be more active. ieverything your family touches sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don t stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox. so how old do you want uhh, i was thinking around 70. alright, and before that? 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(singsong) budget meeting. sweet. if you compare last quarter. it s no wonder everything seems a little better with the creamy taste of philly, made with no artificial preservatives, flavours or dyes. countdown to health care vote. the vote could come as early as 3:30 p.m. eastern time. 12 amendments have been added to the bill. the bill aimed as recruiting more moderates and those on the far right. will those persuade some of the most ardant critics. it gives $85 billion in aid for older americans, delays repealing tax on the wealthy. for conservatives it negotiates an end to medicaid expansion and an option for work requirement on those who use it. and repeals taxes that may help pay for obamacare. a bit of a mixed bag. let s go to nbc s kelly o donnell who is on capitol hill. where do we stand with the votes on this? reporter: well, katy, i just heard from a top source involved in the negotiations and the status report remains fluid. that seems neither positive nor negative at this point but there are still considerations happening. talking to various members, they re saying they haven t been notified yet by their leadership about what will unfold this afternoon. typically they would addition each office would be pinged, if you will, and told what to expect. so i think some strategy is being considered and how they will proceed is still the subject of some behind closed door conversations right now. we know that the vice president was near capitol hill meeting offsite with the freedom caucus that most conservative group went back to the white house. the speaker of the house, paul ryan, went to the white house to meet with both the president and vice president to provide sort of a where we are moment, to say that from based on our count and based on the mood here, it seems republicans are not coming toward the president s demand to vote on this and pass it. of course, we always wait until the votes are actually cast. sometimes when a vote is open and there s a momentum one way or another, votes will really begin to change if people think they want to be on the winning side or abandon something that could fail. so, one of the questions will be, because the president is newer to all this, will the speaker try to say to him, let s not even put it on the floor. we know where we are. two more hours won t change things. let s not make our republican members vote for something that is doomed and have to live with the political results of that. that s possible. or he would agree that it s time to put people under this kind of pressure with the almost the simple question of, do you support repealing obamacare or not? for republicans that s a very potent argument. so, that s where we are. we re waiting to know, when you talk about when would the volt be. there s always a window for votes, when debate ends, there s a lot of give in the schedule in terms of how ready they are, how anxious they are. it s friday. and we call that flyaway days. usually it s thursday. so, that would mean a chance to go home to their districts, which is something that s important. will they go home with a perceived victory, a perceived defeat, questions to be answered? we don t know yet. but sometimes the pressure to get out of here is in and of itself a way to get things done. kelly o donnell on capitol hill tracking all the votes for us. former house speaker newt gingrich, a spoker of donald trump, has weighed in. he says, why would you schedule a vote on a bill that is at 17% approval? have we forgotten everything reagan taught us? well, there is newt gingrich s take, not a good one if you re president trump or paul ryan. let s go back to today s pulse microsoft question. do you believe republicans can rally enough votes to pass the house health care plan? 96% at no. there s still time to weigh in at pulse.msnbc.com. the credibility of congress, have all these judgment calls by devin nunes proven the need for a special prosecutor to investigate russia and team trump? joy reid and hugh hewitt weigh in. you have access to in-depth analysis, level 2 data, and a team of experienced traders ready to help you if you need it. it s like having the power of a trading floor, wherever you are. it s your trade. e trade. start trading today at etrade.com (singsong) budget meeting. sweet. if you compare last quarter. it s no wonder everything seems a little better with the creamy taste of philly, made with no artificial preservatives, flavours or dyes. woman: on the gulf coast, new exxonmobil projects are expected to create over 45,000 jobs. and each job created by the energy industry supports two others in the community. altogether, the industry supports over 9 million jobs nationwide. these are jobs that natural gas is helping make happen, all while reducing america s emissions. energy lives here. the committee will ask director comey and admiral rogers to appear in closed session and will postpone the previously scheduled march 28th hearing in order to make time available for director comey and admiral rogers. i think this is a serious mistake. we welcome at any time bringing former directors back in closed session. we don t welcome cutting off public access to information when we have witnesses, as these three witnesses, who are willing to testify in open session. major developments and drama today into the investigation into russian interference into last year s election. intel committee chairman devin nunes wants to bring the fbi director back in for more questioning. he also said he can t be sure whether conversations among trump or his aides were captured on surveillance until he sees all the documents. paul manafort has volunteered to interview with the committee. joining me now, host of a.m. joy, joy reid and from california, political analyst, hugh hewitt, host of the hugh hewitt show on salem network. we found out chairman nunes canceled the public hearing scheduled for march 28th and adam schiff says the american public will lose the transparency of it and a chance to shield it from the public eye. let s just focus on one portion of that which is chairman nunes now saying he can t be sure whether donald trump or his associates were actually surveilled. i m sorry, wasn t that the entire point of him going to the white house? that s right. the entire point of this unprecedented press conference where the chairman of the intelligence committee, house intelligence committee, walks out to cameras and said, a-ha, i have the transcript. he said he had seen with his own eyes evidence there was surveillance on the trump transition team, by which he was a member, so all sorts of conflicts of interests. i think the problem devin nunes has this is he s already shredded the credibility of himself and his committee. he should stop saying things. there are three investigations. i have to disagree with my friend joy. first investigation is into russia s interference in our election that s proceeding. the second is into collusion between anyone on team trump and russia. that s proceeding. the third intimated by chairman nunes is whether there was abuse of political power and that s proceeding. they re all run by the fbi. whether or not one cares for the optics of devin nunes, i have great confidence in director comey. president trump ought to call comey and ask him if there s subject of anyone in the white house so he he or she could be removed. it s dangerous to have an fbi investigation pointed at the white house. i m confident the fbi will get all three investigations squared up. whether or not a special counsel is needed, that will be up to rod rosenstein when he s confirmed by the jooi judiciary committee, which will probably come after judge gorsuch let s get to gorsuch in a minute. i want to focus on intel. do you think chairman nunes, being a member of the transition, can do an independent investigation into the man he served between the time he was elected and inaugurated? does this need to go before the american public so they know this is not a partisan thing? does this need to go to a special prosecutor, hugh? that s a rod rosenstein decision once the attorney general is confirmed. i have complete confidence in devin nunes. democrats don t like him diverting the story line away from collusion, which is also very important, but i have confident in that committee. it s well staffed. will herd is a former cia officer. i think it will proceed and that testimony in closed session tomorrow will reveal a lot of leaks. i think democrats are inteting about what happened during the transition. we ll find out. i love hugh, we re friend and our assorted twitter followers hate the fact we re friends. hugh said one thing that was incorrect. there are only two fbi investigations going on. one investigation into, we believe, members of the trump campaign, including paul manafort likely and probably including carter page and whether they colluded with the russians. there s also an investigation into sort of the larger trump campaign and potential collusion with a foreign power. the fbi is not investigating alleged abuse of power by the obama administration. the fbi director said in an open hearing they and the nsa have already concluded trump s lie about president obama wiretapping him never happened. it didn t happen. we ve heard it from comey. we ve heard it from the nsa. they ain t investigating that, hugh. 30 seconds. hold on, hold on. 30 seconds. they are talking about the general i lost all the time i had. i wanted to ask about judge gorsuch and whether mitch mcconnell should go nuclear or whether democrats will have to force him to go nuclear. we have to put that on hold. let s come back to it. we ll come back to it. hugh hewitt, joy reid. catch a.m. joy weekdays at 10:00. apple will have iphone customers seeing red. here s today s verge update. apple just revealed the newest to join the iphone family appear crimson red made in partnership with the red campaign. it supports aids awareness through red colored products. while the iphone giant has made special red cases in the past, this is the first time users can own an actual red handset. tim cook says it celebrates the partnership and he can t wait to get it into customers hands. the fresh new design will be available this friday. that s the update. check out the verge.com. come on dad! everything your family touches sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don t stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox. if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis isn t it time to let the real you shine through? 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and that the president-elect talked about a system where for every new regulation comes in, two have to go away. i m not sure how that works. but something along those lines where new regulations have to be counter weighted with reduction in the overall regulatory burden on small companies. we ve seen happen many times a regulation gets put into place and nobody s thought about how it s going to affect the small business owner. i it may make sense for big business but small business gets talking up. you have to have institutional reform so that you force government to do this. sunsetting regulations, for example. it forces the elected officials to say, does this still make sense? in terms of what s changed in technology and the economy, should we still be doing this? is this a better way to do it? look at the cost/benefit analysis. those types of reforms are needed so we bring sanity to the regulatory morass in washington, d.c. todd, you did a survey about the cost for small business who s never shotgunned a beer. shotgunning a beer when is you re basically breaking into the bottom of a can, and then you re drinking from that hole. reporter: once the partners settled on what to build, they had to figure out how. we started calling people. reporter: the people they called for help were engineers, industrial designers, metal fabricators, and their parents. we both got a small investment from our dads. i think around $10,000. reporter: with all that help, the two created a sleek-looking, inexpensive product they eventually called the saber tooth. after graduation, they body got jobs in silicon valley. but quickly ditched those when they realized the saber tooth had some real teeth. this year we ve grown almost 800%. it s been really great growth. reporter: they say it wasn t the product itself that caught fire, but the whole frat party brand, which they named raging mammoth. raging mom moth is all about having a great time. reporter: the saber tooth opened their eyes to an overlooked market niche. we look around, why has no one started a company around this lifestyle that we love? that s really how raging mammoth formed. reporter: more than a logo, raging mom moth became a symbol of the high-octane adventure their customers craved and a brand with a mission. so why are we doing this? our why is to create good times. it s literally the way you feel when you use the product. that was a defining moment for us. that s what really drives our growth. reporter: not only did sales numbers explode but they say their customers hijacked their instagram and facebook pages. with hundreds of unsolicited pictures and stories boasting of their exploits. about 99% of our posts on social media, they re all created by our customers. they re seeing us online and like, oh, this is what this brand represents. and then once they fall in love with that, then they can buy our products. then they re part of the community. reporter: now they re using that brand idea as a springboard to new products. really it doesn t matter what we make. raging mammoth, everything that we create is about having a better time with your friends. that s all that matters. so then the products come out, that come out of that, how are we going to create a product that s going to complement that lifestyle? people come to us with an idea reporter: that s where rob lang comes in. then we work through the different faces of designing and developing and getting a product into manufacturing. reporter: they turned to rob and his san diego-based southern california design company. we ll meet with them and say, this is what we want, can you guys engineer this, what do you think? we ll look at that idea, look how to make it better. do a couple of prototypes, sign off on them. then from there, they ll find manufacturers and get it moving. basically manage the product s lifetime. we re removing here, we re going to flatten it out, right? flip it back over. reporter: the next product up for release is their deluxe take on the humble shotski with several magnetic-based shot glasses lined up for group drinking. our friends were upset they were spilling it all over themselves. what about the weight? you seemed to think it was good? weight s perfect. hound the rigidity of it? reporter: this is only one of more than a dozen new products scotty and wyatt want to take to market as quickly as possible. they are going to be a massive part of our company in this next year because we have 13 original products we re releasing. reporter: to keep things moving they ve outsourced the design and manufacturing to rob s southern southern california design company. the way we look at them, they re up and comers. they re going to grow that business. we re confident in that. so instead of us going out and trying to learn like, okay, like we need to get a warehouse, you know. we need to pay for the insurance on the warehouse. we need to hire. let s just give to it somebody who knows what they re doing. reporter: with big dreams they ve outsourced the shipping and fulfillment, customer service, and marketing. they are concentrating on what they do best, developing the brand and the supporting products. where that leads, even they can t predict. we never started out to try to make this a huge company. we really wanted to prove to people we could do something valuable. so we could go do something bigger down the road. just ended up doing a lot better than we originally planned. millennial moms have some say. they have hugely influential. according to our guest, 55% of millennial moms say they are frequently asked for product recommendations. so how can you get them to start spreading the word about your product? sharon bindering is the founder and ceo of parent tested, parent approved, one of the most-recognized awards program busy consumers. good to see you. thanks for having me on. you ve grown your business a lot by millennial moms talking about it. absolutely. that s literally how we grew our business. word of mouth, getting moms talking about it, telling them our story and getting them to spread it for us. look, so many people are trying to get to these mommy bloggers because they know that moms, as a whole, they re speaking from the heart. it worked for my kid, it worked for me, i m going to tell my friends. that was the whole concept behind our business. what i think a lot of brands are missing out on is they re still advertising to these millennial moms in very traditional ways. so for example, they need to stop advertising showing moms in these very traditional roles holding a laundry basket, looking all disheveled, running after the kids. reality is that s not a millennial mom s typical life these days. right, it s not speaking to them. no, not at all. the husband plays a role in this. yep. or they have help at home. because they re likely working full-time as well. so let s show them as professional, accomplished women. even when we see as women in the board room, they re always in a hurry. why are they always waiting on the side of the street, they re late, waiting for a taxi? always, every ad i ve seen in a professional sense. so show them in a way that s more modern. so that they ll actually it will actually resonate. so they can relate. also you talked about, we use the word authentic, everyone does. authentic. but don t push stuff down. yes. right? be authentic about why you re talking to them. right, connect with them on an emotional level. it s funny, there s this video that publix put out, 2014, mother s day. literally an ad of a mom and her daughter and she s a pregnant mom, she is standing in the kitchen baking with her daughter. yes, they re casually showing ingredients. but by the end of this commercial, nobody is not crying. and it s three years later and i am still talking about this commercial because it resonated with me on an emotional level. so it made that connection for me and publix. so that s how you need to be communicating with people. i think a lot of these brands still think of millennial moms as my marketing tool. i ve got to get to them, got to get them to try my product. and you can t ram it down people s throats. that s exactly it. that used to work. it no longer works. they want a subtle message. they want to know a little bit more about the companies. millennials really want to know about the companies. they want to know if they have a social conscience. if it s food they want to know where it s sourced. these things are more important than the advertising that you re ramming down their threats. they are turning to video. so we did a survey and 83% of millennials said they go online to search for the products they re going to purchase. 3 of every 5 turned to video to learn more about the product. so that is a no-brainer for companies. be out there, be on video. again, make sure you re taking into account all of those emotional components that you want to have resonate with that consumer afterwards. once you get one, once you ve got a millennial mom who likes you, how do you encourage her to spread the word? so it s all about making sure you re talking to them about the things that are important to them. what we found is really important to millennials, they want to know that there is value in the product they re purchasing from you, they want to know that there s convenience, and the number one thing is safety. so as long as you can incorporate that messaging, that customer will really stay with you. because where it used to be a price plan, i won t say the price doesn t impact their purchasing decision. they are willing to pay a little bit more to make sure that they have all those three things encompassed in the product that they re purchasing for their family. right. once you get someone like this to move it they stay with you. and spread the word. exactly. the last thing you need to be on is social. at the end of the day social is such an important component because theme are talking about thins they love. we ll go out and find influen influencers who loved a product we want to be talking about and make sure they are authentic. by authentic, i know it s a buzz word, but to us it s won t that they ve used the product, they really love the product, they ve talked about it in a positive manner before they ve been paid to do so. that s how we re trying to build a positive buzz for the brands that we work with. all right, congratulations on your success. thank you. you know more about this than anyone. thank you for stopping by. my pleasure. i don t care if you re a silicon valley startup or a small-town dry cleaner, technology is going to keep on changing your business. in order to stay one step ahead, you have to know where the trends are heading. ink.com highlights five of the top tech advancements coming our way. five, upgraded wireless signal that s going to make smartphones and tablets even more valuable. two, augmented reality. companies like microsoft are launching headsets that could change the way you do training, sales demos and more. three, chatbots. systems that you interact with via text will get much more sophisticated in 2017. there are already ones that will handle your travel plans or tell you the weather, but think about ones that you think will monitor your health or spending. four, phones go wireless. expect to have even more ways to charge all your mobile devices without using cables. and five, amazon s alexa is already being used to lock your car, read a book, or make purchases. in 2017 expect to also see it shop at public places like your bank or local grocery store. pleasure to meet you, chair onthomas. pleasure. so look. in the dining industry there s a gazillion choices where to eat. we ve all been there before. where do you want go? i don t know, where do you want to go? no more arguing. instead of arguing you bust out spotluck, a free app. you get one spin per day, we pick a great local spot for you and give you the discount. it s a smart discount so we patented software that makes the discounts change based on day, time, weather, and other factors that affect restaurant occupancy. you ll get higher insensitives on a monday than a friday, higher if it s raining than if it s nice out. consumers love it because it s fun. like spinning a wheel. we ve got great traction, over 100,000 people on the a pchpp e month, we re the number one dining app on itunes. a good foundation but a long way to go. we want to get the right people involved. we re raising $1.5 million to launch new york, arguably the largest dining in the world. we have half committed. we have over 200 restaurants signed and ready to go live in march. so really, we re here because by have a decent foundation and a good product but the team is magic. these guys eat, breathe, live, sleep spotluck and we can prove we can execute. congratulations. number one app on itune i say start the pitch with that. because that s big. while we re chatting i need two numbers from you guys. number one, from 1 to 10, what do you think of the product? number two, what do you think of the pitch? okay, let s see what these guys think. i m up. i gave the product a 7. i gave the pitch a 6. the product, i live if new york, i m a foodie, we don t just use one app, we use multiple apps to find restaurants. i think there is a potential for something fun. unlike j.j., i always get a little suspicious, especially when a young startup company says that you re number one in anything. i don t believe it. how is it possible? sure. i like companies that are sort of say where they re going, what their intention is. in terms of the pitch, i wanted to know your story. i love a company born out of personal challenge, personal story. you were fighting with your friend. as opposed to the generic, when you re out, you know. for me, i was looking for something to relate to and i think that s the potential for improvement, that part. i appreciate the feedback. this is what simon is all about, connecting with the why. the why you started your business, the why your business. you should listen to his ted talk. we re big fans at spotluck. thanks for the feedback. so 8 and 7. so on the product, i think you have a great product. what i m looking at is that it does have other uses. and you ve done a great job of kind of focusing on one thing right now, not getting distracting, which is really good. and i ve learned the hard way that when you get distracted, you only dilute. you get in trouble. on the pitch, i have to agree with simon, make it your story. put a little thing behind it that s personal. we used to have the story about wow, people would get instead of talking about money and results, they would get hung up on wow. tell us about that wow. what does that wow mean? that became the bigger conversation than trying to talk about money and results because the money and results aren t good in the beginning. it strikes me that you are a solution and next version of groupon for these restaurants which was a problem, but you allow them to change the price discount. absolutely. i agree with what you re saying. our story is traditional. we started in my basement, quit our jobs, used our own money. what was the birth of the idea? s. ing that prices in a restaurant at tuesday at 2:00 p.m. when it s raining shouldn t be the same as friday night at 6:00. that s real. we wish you the best of luck. thank you for coming on the program. thank you for giving your honest feedback, so helpful. if you have a company and you want to pitch our panelists like you just saw, send an e-mail to yourbusiness@msnbc.com. tell us what you do, how much money you re looking to raise, how that money is going to change the trajectory of your company. we cannot wait to see some of you here on the show. still to come, when it comes to hiring managers, what s best? hiring from within your company? or looking outside of it? why you shouldn t be chasing the money. will your business be ready when growth presents itself? american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open.com. how do you choose your top-level managers within your organization? do you prefer to promote from within? do you hire from outside? president quick answer is this. both. and it depends. so clearly what we have to do, if you re going to hire from or promote from within, then the great news about that is that these people are going to bring they understand the corporate culture, they understand the history and the dna from the organization. and also what they do is they inspire other employees from your organization who want to grow. the great thing about bringing people in from the outside is that they bring a new level of energy to the organization. new blood. new ideas. a new fresh set of eyes. clearly we have to bring people into the organization who have experience. we want to round out our team of strengths. more importantly than that, though, whether we re hiring or promoting from within, hiring from without, we need to have people who are highly motivated, who have a lot of integrity, and who have tons of capacity so they can grow with you. we now have the top two tips you need to know to help your small business grow. leadership expert simon cynic and tariq fareed, founder and ceo of edible arrangements, are back with us again. not only leadership expert, top three most-watched ted talk. if i can tout both of you, you were the second or first story we did on this show, one of the first three. you had 400 franchises? a little less than 400. now? 1,300. so i clearly want to hear the tips from you. you guys know what you are doing. it s the show that did it. exactly, i launched you both. all right, let s start with you, simon. sure. so my top tip is, take care and work to see that those around you succeed. so many entrepreneurs make bit themselves. and they forget there s other people there who have devoted their lives, their work days, to support. and when they feel that they re always subordinate and trying to see you succeed, it s actually demoralizing. work to see that those around you work to their natural best. they become valuable members of the team, and more and more they will offer you blood, sweat and tears to see your vision come to life. what does that look like? celebrating them at company meetings? helping them grow. so part of it is offering aff m affirmation and positive feedback. also offering them opportunities to grow. it s offering them classes and opportunities to learn communication skills. or confrontation. things that will actually help them grow as human beings. put them in situations where they can fall and try again. where you won t just take over because you can do it better. let them screw up and let them thigh again, you re there to support them. people aren t coming to your company to punch the clock? right. they want to get something out of it too. they want to grow, they want to be better versions of themselves. so my best lesson that i learned was from the best business person i knew, my mother. i always say the same about my mom. i was 17, started my first business, struggled every day. i would come home disappointed. and she looked at me, she said, stop chasing money, it runs really fast, go to the right thing, it will chase you. so it changed focus totally at that point and really focused on the customer instead of focusing on trying to make money. and just making the customer get that wow experience. and really listening and everything. so i think you have to, in a business, small business, as you get larger, it becomes tougher and tougher, youreally have to focus on the customer. a lot of people believe they do but they ll see they actually don t. not the way they do it on the first day they started business when they were desperate for every sale. so did you lose money, you think, as you were changing from chasing money to understanding the customer? did your revenue go like that? you know, to my surprise, when you take care of a customer, they always leave a little more behind than they needed to. so then they tell ten people about it. they come back because of you, not because of maybe the product you were selling. i was selling flowers. they could have gone to 30 different places but it was that spooeshs they would come back for the wedding, they d come back for all the other things. we stayed true to that but we tested to say, are we really true to that commitment to the customer? i think what you both say is don t cut corners. if you succeed by cutting corners with your employees, customers, it will get you here, but it will not get you here. it will eventually get you here. take care of the people inside, take care of the people outside, watch the business grow. your biz selfie come from the owners of s and s intimates in dearborn, michigan. they say they re about empowering women in the way they look and feel and this is the sexiest your biz selfie we ve had so far. pick up your cell phone and take a selfie of you in your business. send us to us at yourbusiness@msnbc.com. include the name, the name of your business, your location, and #yourbizselfie. thank you to all of you for joining us today. we love hearing from you, so if you have any questions or comments about the show, e-mail us at yourbusiness@msnbc.com. we read all of your e-mails. you can go to our website, openforum.com/yourbusiness. we posted all the segments from today s show plus a whole lot more. connect with us on digital and social media platforms as well. we look forward to seeing you next time. till then i m j.j. ramberg. remember, we make your business our business. will your business be ready when growth presents itself? 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