For america to be able to be a part of what is history in the making. i have to tell you i was in d.c. on thursday, i saw a lot of colorful t-shirts and signs, but the retort that the three of you keep offering to the trump legal strategy, which is that s not a thing, is something that all of you should put on a t-shirt or on a shine. i think we will hear a lot of that. neal, glenn and katie thank you for getting us started. up next, we have new reporting on how donald trump is actually looking for to using these election interference charges as an opportunity to relitigate the 2020 election. also looking forward to him doing that is correct democrats. the politics surrounding the ex-president s legal troubles is next. urrounding the ex-president s legal troubles is next pain was keeping me off my game. and now i m winning again. blue-emu is the powerful relief i need. shop our expanded family of products at major online retailers.
The best check on this, this is something one of our greatest justices said, sunlight is the best disinfectant. let the american people see this trial for themselves day in and day out and make their own determinations. we shouldn t be relegated to second-hand descriptions and some courtroom sketches of what s going on in the courtroom. glenn, do you think it makes a difference for people to watch it, hear it, see it, versus what we know will happen, which is to be exposed to the spin machine that happens outside of the courtroom? absolutely, alicia, i agree with everything in neal s excellent op-ed. and let me make two points. first of all, if cameras are not permitted in the courtroom donald trump and his criminal defense attorneys and donald trump s lackeys and sycophants at the end of every trial day will spin what happened in trial. they will probably come out and say what a great day it was for donald trump, you know, the evidence is falling apart, that the prosecution is introducing, proving it s nothing but a
The special counsel regulations as a young justice department staffer. and i really do think eventually listen to this podcast, because the whole point is to say law matters to you ordinary americans. and this is one of the most difficult questions in all of law, who guards the guardians, you know, it goes back to thousand years. can someone like john mulaney, he s so brilliant, he reads everything to try to explain it to the people and just be like, you know, here are the constitutional issues, here are the policy issues and the like. and here, you can see it playing out in realtime. jack smith is a special counsel, he s independent of garland. so, when you hear trump say this is the biden justice department going after me, the garland justice department, no, this person is separate. and that s different, for example, of a person who is prosecuting hunter biden, who is investigating him. that was someone who donald trump appointed. that s donald trump prosecutor doing that. very, very different circumstances. and biden has his own special counsel, just to add that to the mix. laura, neal, thank you both for being here tonight. of course, as we noted earlier, house speaker kevin mccarthy
Vote by posting their preference online, which of course isn t true. and he s prosecuted under 241, and joy, what it reminds me of is these paper cases we used to see where people would go in to black neighborhoods and mail out these glossy postcards and say republicans vote on whatever the correct date of the election is, democrats, you vote the following tuesday. this is that same sort of kkk inspired conduct, keeping people from voting. if jack smith is crafting a case around the notion of either preventing people from voting or keeping their votes from being counted, that s the heartland of 241. fascinating. okay, last one to you, neal, because i think what everyone wants to know is timeline. and does it say anything that nothing happened today. they meet again on thursday. is it possible this drags on past this week? or do you anticipate that we are kind of reaching an end game in the jack smith process? it s certainly possible this
Seeking charges against a potential target, or going to trial against a potential target? there are a couple of things there. doj is focused on, to the point that neal and others made, they are guided by facts and evidence. that is the important thing here, we don t see this in the last administration where oftentimes you saw the very top of the justice department giving edict from on high to how prosecutors should comport themselves. so in terms of your direct question, this is why i think we saw jack smith early on try to press for a december date. a day that could happen this year. we know now based on what judge ruled yesterday that this case will take place in may. it is going to slip even more. so i think if i m a doj, my hope is that at some point in
i think there is a new e. jean carroll trial that is going to take place in new york that is going to take place sometime next year as well. so, there is a lot of different litigation activities, and criminal ones, as i said before, trump has to be at. and so these do have to all get coordinated. and trump s plan is to try to delay them all all of them until after the november 24 election. that is just not going to hold water. i can t imagine that judges are going to go for that. it just seems like a transparent attempt to try and delay and possibly squash the prosecution with a republican income to get ministration that orders the prosecutions dropped. but neal, can i just ask, in terms of the pecking order here i was talking with laetitia james, the new york a.g., a couple of weeks ago, and she suggested that if the federal indictment on january 6th came down anytime soon, that she would adjourn her case and that alvin bragg and fani willis might adjourn those as well, i guess, in deference to the federal case which
Incoming administration that orders the prosecutions dropped. but neal, can i just ask, in terms of the pecking order here i was talking with laetitia james, the new york a. g., a couple of weeks ago, and she suggested that if the federal indictment on january 6th came down anytime soon, that she would adjourn her case and that alvin bragg and fani willis might adjourn those as well, i guess, in deference to the federal case which you know, federal cases traditionally go first. you think something like that is in the works? absolutely. i think that would make a lot of sense. obviously, they would all have to agree and so on, but the magnitude of the charges that jack smith is looking at on january 6th go to the heart of what the american government is all about. you cannot have a person as head of the executive branch who is we are going to come back to, you neal, if we get your shot back up. but ari, in terms of the magnitude of what we already know and, by the way, the investigations that continue i can t get out of as i said, i can t get out of my head the idea that mar-a-lago is not even over yet.
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Again, you are caught up in. clearly, that is the issue about not naming, yes, it may be protecting the person involved, but clearly it means there is a wider net where people start speculating on social media about who the male presenter might be, which has led people like you, quite rightly, to suggest you will take legal action. lots of male presenter is coming out saying, it isn t me, jeremy vine, rylan clark neal gary lineker over the weekend and thenjon kay. it is unusualfor a presenter weekend and thenjon kay. it is unusual for a presenter to say, weekend and thenjon kay. it is unusualfor a presenter to say, i am on holiday for the next two weeks but i will be back. in this frenzy of social media interest and in the middle of the story, he felt it was necessary to say, that is why he is not on the breakfasts over this morning and will not be for a couple of weeks. people are looking and thinking, who is missing.- of weeks. people are looking and thinking, who is missing. thank you katie, stuart thinking, who is missing. thank you katie, stuart purvis, thinking, who is missing. thank you katie, stuart purvis, former- thinking, who is missing. thank you katie, stuart purvis, former chief i katie, stuart purvis, former chief executive of itn and former 0fcom partner for content and standards.
You, smith thought strategically he would like to have less people knowing about it. he thought that would be easier. in his motion there wasn t a reason given for why he wanted that under seal. i m not surprised by december 11th, again, four month delays is still a speedy trial here, and he by doing by having a trial on december 11th, he gets in before the manhattan trial, which is currently scheduled for late march. he also would get in before the e. jean carroll part two, which is scheduled for january. he wants to be next. and i think looking at the holiday season, not a lot going on in a courthouse mid to late december, and so for security reasons you re saying that s a positive, they can dominate that time. i think it s a strategic decision on their part to pick that date so there are fewer people in the courthouse. who among us, neal, when you think about former presidents officials, has planned out there, their hanukkah christmas among the what did you say, at least three trials and whaefr else is pending.