armies of lobbyists and lawyers? or does it work for all the people. now the house of representatives is about to show us the worst of government for the rich and powerful. the house is about to vote on a budget deal, a deal negotiated behind closed doors, that would let traders on wall street gamble with taxpayer money and get bailed out by the government when their risky bets threaten to blow up our financial system. this is a democracy, and the american people didn t elect us to stand up for citigroup. they elected us to stand up for all the people. that s the bugle signaling charge. today the white house scrambled to contain the fod. just minutes before the scheduled vote, the white house took the dangerous move of taking direct aim at the warren wing of the party by declaring and campaign contributions, opening up the ÷÷ñaúfloodgates. first you give the keys to the bank and then you bail the banks out. we are not having that. i think the vote today shows that, shows the unity of the democratic caucus and republicans are going to have to go someplace else if this is the garbage they re going to put on the floor. it s both the quid and the quo, talking about corruption it s got money coming in to the democrats and republicans to pay for loopholes and shenanigans on wall street. senator warren took the floor again today to rally against the carve-outs for the big banks. here she is. a vote for this bill is a vote for future taxpayer bailouts of wall street. when the next bail-out comes, a lot of people will look back to this vote to see who was responsible for putting the government back on the hook to bail out wall street. why in the last minute, as you head out the door, and a spending bill must be passed, are you making it a priority to do wall street s bidding? who do you work for? wall street? or the american people? congresswoman edwards, i want to know what you see. you re the politician of the three of us. is this the future of the democratic party? z?jp go-along party that makes deals with the worst elements in our society and wall street? your thoughts? one thing the last election told us, it told us th!:[rñ amen people need to know we re prepared to get in there and fight for them, fight for their paychecks and their bank accounts. stop fighting for wall street and special interests. frankly, there s no question about it, this bill absolutely stinks. the american people know it. when i came into congress in i would never again vote to bail out big banks. while republicans in this congress take the american people down the bank road again. we will not do it. luke russert, it would take 50 or 60 votes to get this pass. who are your colleagues? what are they saying to you when they re voting for the bill? they would say this is a good bill go ahead, luke, i m sorry. they say it s a good bill because it leaves the democratic imprint on the funding through the rest of the fiscal year on everything with the exception of the department of homeland security. and they ll have the immigration fight in early march and the rest of the government is funded and they re not worried about shutdown politics. that s really their point. this is the best they can get before the super majority comes in next congress. however, what you do, you talk to other democrats who say, you know what, republicans have shown they have an awfully difficult time getting to 218 to fund the government on any priority. we re more than happy to go at it with them and go to the ring a few more times because it makes them look bad. i want to say one thing that i think is important when you talk about the future of the democratic party. when this was negotiated by harry reid, and the other preept reetors on the senator side with the house gop x)kyleadership, t reason why there wasn t a freak-out over the dodd-frank language because this thing passed in the house in october of 2013 with 70 democrats supporting it, including steny hoyer, the difference in campaign finances that was negotiated between reed, mcconnell, and boehner. what you re seeing tonight is the liberal wing standing up to something that was directly negotiated by reid and the white house, and was supported by them before. they re not taking it n)f . also, could there be another factor here? you ve lost both houses of congress now. you re the opposition on the hill. you re not worried about carrying the water on debt ceilings and all the rest and budget deals. you lost the house a while ago. you re losing the senate. is this a revolutionary spirit fueled by the fact, you don t have to run the show, you just have to drive your ideas? i think what s really clear, chris, is the fact is, the american people are expecting us to fight for them. they re depending on us to fight for them. we re prepared to do it. you know, if you look at that deal that was negotiated, i don t know that the white house frankly was clearly in the room on this. and clearly some deals were cut with mitch mcconnell because he s always wanted to raise those political campaign contribution limits. he wants to throw the individual limits out the window. but we can t let them. we can t let wall street walk away with the store, and on the other hand, give them the open keys to the government by allowing all these political contributions. and like i said, if the republicans really want a bipartisan bill over here in the house, they know they can get democratic votes, but they have to get it with a clean funding bill. thanks so much donna edwards and luke russert. coming up, guess who is defiant inzkw;o the face of the torture report? dick cheney. the man who once said we d have to work through the dark side. he s unapologetic about what the cia did. he said he d do it all over again in a minute. big surprise. that s ahead, this is hardball, the place for politics. you don t need to think about the energy that makes our lives possible. because we do. we re exxonmobil and powering the world responsibly is our job. because boiling an egg. isn t as simple as just boiling an egg. life takes energy. energy lives here. chris christie, like many of the potential 2016 presidential candidates isn t talking about the torture report one bit. he refused to answer questions about it. now a new poll finds the people in his home state say they don t think he d make a good president. 53%, a majority of new jersey voters say government christie would not do well in the white house. of course it s a blue state. and even though christie is the strongest republican against hillary in the garden state, new hillary in the garden state, new jersey is still deep blue. a remote that lives on your phone. i think that what needed to be done was done. i think we were perfectly justified in doing it, and i d do it again in a minute. welcome back to hardball. former vice president dick cheney, he mingsed no words in his interview with fox news. describing his preferred approach to terror. here he is. he is in our possession. we know he s the architect. what are we supposed to do? kiss him on both cheeks and say, please, please, tell us what you know. no, of course not. we did what needed to be done to catch those who were guilty on 9/11 and prevent a further attack. we were successful on both parts this report said it was not successful. this report is full of crap. director of harvard s project on public narrative and author of the 1% doctrine. and also former rnc chair michael steele. what do you think is in the makeup of a guy who dismisses all different opinions as crap? cheney will go to his grave denying everything that is very clear at this point. this is the moment they feared, that there would be an official inquest that would prove right everything people were saying. now it s happened and cheney is digging into his final position. he s in a shrinking country, cheneyland, that gets smaller and smaller. and even now you can hear him shooting at president bush as to who knew what. this is cheney s last stand. let me ask you about policy. i m a big believer, as mike dukakis said, the fish rots from the head. an old greek expression. whatever it is, i believe the boss sets the tone. i worked in politics for 15 years. when staffers did something, i knew the boss wanted it done, or they wouldn t be there. that s the operative. and i was one, an operative. you are the boss s guy. so when somebody says somebody at the cia did something, my view is, they were told to do it. what s your view? where did the water boording come from and all that stuff, how did it work its way down to the bowels or the dark place this came directly, chris, from bush and cheney, both of them. at the start, it was ordered by the president and the vice president. the cia didn t just wake up one day and say, hey, we re going to do a lot of extra legal and extraordinary things. it came from the white house. they were ordered to take off the gloves as the white house said right at the beginning. don t worry about what people say when they find out. go to the dark side. they were following orders. now, ultimately, the president and the vice president were briefed intensively about exactly what cia was doing from the beginning and throughout. bush was quite engaged in this as was cheney. they got regular reports, what is the yield of the interrogation, is it successful, is it not? both men are directly driving this. to the extent their cruelty involved, michael, essentially, torture, whatever you want to call it, there s torture, cruelty involved, you re hurting people, causing them pain and fear and all the mix of horrors you get in your mind when you re being tortured, where is it going to end, is it going to end with me ending, all that, did they do that with an attitude of we want to do this, we don t like these people, they are bad people, was it personal? ron? that s to you, ron. you bleeped out. the fact is, they engaged president bush only when things were made personal. cheney and bush viewed this as an affront to them personally, which was kind of the way bush was managed, the tapping of blood lust. this was about managing bush. by cheney, by others. but also doing what they felt need be done. don t worry about the consequences. of course cheney creates the 1% doctrine, that idea that we should do everything. everything essentially we can think of. don t worry about these issues of ends and means. now what we find is of course the worst nightmare, that not only was this morally reprehensible, cashiering america s moral authority, but it was of no value at all, which they were warned about at the beginning. you re sure of that? absolutely. we got nothing out of it? absolutely nothing of value that couldn t be got in a hundred other ways. but they didn t get it in a hundred other ways. let me have michael in here. i want to set this up politically. cheney isn t hiding. no, he s not hiding. cheney has never hidden. i think that s what frustrates a lot of people. he puts it out there and you have to deal with it. he makes it easy for you to unpack it, as he s done again. there s a lot that ron said that, i wasn t in the room, i don t know what s inside these men s hearts and heads. i do know how the process i do not think that the president and the vice president were sitting around over a cup of coffee saying, we re just going to start waterboarding, out of thin air. we know what the cia s business has always been about. this is nothing new. this is nothing transcendent in terms what the cia has done in terms of black ops. what about going into the dark areas of intelligence, we got to go back in there in the quiet, where there s no discussion absolutely. why is cheney saying to do that? why are we laying it out on the table? i want to make the point that came from the top. cheney exhibiting no moral qualms about the acts revealed in the report. let s listen. did the ends justify the means? absolutely. no doubt in your mind? no doubt in my mind, i m totally comfortable with it. doing his job there. cheney previewed the at any cost mentality. yet days after 9/11, let s listen. we also have to work the dark side, if you will, we have to spend time in the shadows, in the intelligence world. a lot of what needs to be done here will have to be done quietly, without any discussion, using sources and methods that are available to our intelligence agencies, if we re going to be successful. that s the world these folks operate in. and so it s going to be vital for us to use any means at our disposal basically to achieve our object. how do you read that? that s the way this works. don t blame it on the cia. it guy looks like he was ready to do it from the top. exactly. that s where the buck ultimately stops. you laid it out very well at the opening of the segment. that at the end of the day, it s going to start at the head. if there are good things that come from it, you re going to the head. that s how cheney saw this. this is all in the context of what happened post 9/11. this is that world that was created. again, we have a history. whether we re trying to go after castro in the kennedy administration they didn t do the job, did they? no, they didn t. or whether you re going after osama bin laden, it s the same type who is still the head of cuba right now? anyway, let s go back to ryan. what is it in cheney s being? what s in his head that makes him curl the lip and talk about torture and stuff like that with such delight and relish? what s that all about? cheney has always believed that tactics matter. he s arguably one of the finest tact itions at the top of government for many years. if cheney believes that his position cannot be challenged, as long as he digs in and doesn t flinch, he ll do that. that s where cheney is sitting at this point. many people are turning on him at this point. john mccain and others are saying, cheney s wrong. but cheney at this point will be the last man standing with this position if that s what it takes. that s what he s thinking about. history s record, i didn t flinch. and i think ron is absolutely right about that. that s the one thing about the man, he s consistent from the very beginning to this moment. and now one has to unpack that. i don t know about love, but in his view, all s fair in war. ron, thank you for being the expert. michael steele, thank you very much. up next, a hardball farewell to michele bachmann. we re going to the riddic lift, this is hardball, the place for politics. and also, where you can hear the debate. place for politics. and also, where you can hear the debate. hardball, the place fo politics. and also, where you can hear the debate. place for politics. and also, where you can hear the debate. hardball, the place fo politics. and also, where you can hear the debate. this is hardball, the for politics. and also, where you can hear the debate. you don t need to think about the energy that makes our lives possible. because we do. we re exxonmobil and powering the world responsibly is our job. because boiling an egg. isn t as simple as just boiling an egg. life takes energy. energy lives here. come from all walks of life. if you have high blood sugar, ask your doctor about farxiga. it s a different kind of medicine that works by removing some sugar from your body. along with diet and exercise, farxiga helps lower blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes. with one pill a day, farxiga helps lower your a1c. and, although it s not a weight-loss or blood-pressure drug, farxiga may help you lose weight and may even lower blood pressure when used with certain diabetes medicines. do not take if allergic to farxiga or its ingredients. symptoms of a serious allergic reaction include rash, swelling or difficulty breathing or swallowing. if you have any of these symptoms, stop taking farxiga and seek medical help right away. do not take farxiga if you have severe kidney problems, are on dialysis, or have bladder cancer. tell your doctor right away if you have blood or red color in your urine or pain while you urinate. farxiga can cause serious side effects, including dehydration, genital yeast infections in women and men, low blood sugar,kidney problems, and increased bad cholesterol. common side effects include urinary tract infections, changes in urination, and runny nose. do the walk of life yeah, you do the walk of life need to lower your blood sugar? ask your doctor about farxiga and visit our website to learn how you may be able to get every month free. mccarthyism to rule out anti-american lawmakers in the democratic caucus. how many people in the caucus are anti-american? you already suspect barack obama. is he alone, or are there others? what i would say is that the news media should do a penetrating expose and take a look. i wish they would. i wish the american media would take a great look at the views of the people in congress and find out, are they pro-america, or anti-america. i think people would love to see an expose like that. backman was a vocal opponent of the president, attacking the affordable care act with a fervor. this egregious system that will be ultimately known as death care, must be defeated. it will be very unpleasant if the death panels go into effect. let s repeal this failure before it literally kills women, kills children, kills senior citizens. of course there were no death panels, but congresswoman bachmann rare let the facts get in the way of good fiction. he famously campaigned against vaccinations, making the unfounded claim that the hpv vaccination was unsafe for young women. i will tell you that i had a mother last night come up to me, here in tampa florida, after the debate. she told me that her daughter took that vaccine, that injection, and suffered from mental retardation thereafter. it can have very dangerous side effects. it was rated false after it was denied by the medical community at large. congresswoman bachmann liked to cite the founding fathers, but basic american history alluded her at times. when she claims that our founders were the ones who ended slavery. the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the united states. remember how ben franklin won the civil war? anyway, at a campaign event, she mistakenly credited new hampshire as the site of the first battle of the american revolution. the love of new hampshire and what we have in common is your extreme love for liberty. you re the place where the shot around the world. the battle of lexington and concord as everyone watching knows, was in massachusetts. with that, we say farewell to the queen of the right wing clown car. up next, the director of the cia agency defends the agency in the wake of the report. the roundtable joins us in a minute. you re watching hardball, the place for politics. great job. (mandarin) cut it out. see you tomorrow. you don t need to think about the energy that makes our lives possible. because we do. we re exxonmobil and powering the world responsibly is our job. because boiling an egg. isn t as simple as just boiling an egg. life takes energy. energy lives here. welcome back to hardball. two days after the release of that damning report by democratic senators and the senate intelligence committee, the director of the cia spoke to reporters today. he was asked whether the program put in place by the bush administration, did it work? which included torture, did it produce useful intelligence. here s what brennan said. there s no way, to know whether or not some information that was obtained from an individual who had been subjected at some point during his confinement, could have been obtained through other means. it s just an unknowable fact. so what the agency s point has been consistently and what certainly my view is, after having reviewed the documents, is that there was useful intelligence, very useful, valuable intelligence was obtained from individuals who had been subjected to eits. whether that could be obtained without the use of the eits, is unknowable. michael steele, melinda henden berger and republican strategist hogan gitly. one question, is torture, any kind of torture right or wrong? should we do it? in my opinion? that s what i m asking for, should we do it? is torture really the act, or is it the motivation? we re trying to save the country from disaster and one guy that we know knows the answer to what s coming next, do we torture him? to get you the information you want do you think we should do it? i think you should do it. i m with my catholic church on this. they say it s an intrinsically evil act. so i say no, the ends never justify the means. it s always wrong. and i don t care if it gets you absolutely everything you want, the keys to the kingdom, which it does not. [ all speak at once ] our president says the same thing, this is not who we are as a country and i agree with that. so you wouldn t do it? 24 hours, explosion coming, you re not going to do it. your thoughts? are you with her? i ve got my intrinsically catholic view as well, but i side with hogan. i think the policy and personal implications beyond that one individual are too great. i think if you re in executive leadership in particular, you have to weigh it in totality. and yes, sometimes that requires you to do it. this is the justification in the church for things like just war. so you cannot say that, oh, if i torture that that s morally wrong, but if, you know, i bomb an entire village of innocent individuals that somehow that justifies the means that you re trying to achieve with the war. so what that requires is the moral leadership lays out the parameters and the political leadership has to wade itself through that, keeping its eye on those things that cross the lines, and you saw with the cia director, he was not he was not getting into the policy. that s not his job. his job is to do the implementation of that policy and those leaders that we entrust with the he was talking out of both sides of his mouth. have anything to do with what is done when the time comes? because when the time comines, president, a dick cheney, a barack obama, a george bush, whoever they are, has to make a decision how to save the country. they have to make a decision on the spot. we got this guy in custody. we know he knows. what do we do? mr. president, he s our only source of information right now. and you have to decide then whether to throw the rule book out. but how can it be a message to the world that we re no better than the terrorists we are fighting? and we are not isis. we don t do that. that s not who we are. [ all speak at once ] i don t think it s practical. are you against capital punishment? i am. see, these are values. i can appreciate that. i think capital punishment didn t work to deter crime in the same way torture doesn t work to i think there s a false argument here. i think it s too neat. it s convenient to believe it s actually not neat. it s so satisfying on an emotional level to say, let s do what it takes. but where s the proof that we got anything out of it? but see, you re trying to prove something that is not going to be fully disclosed in the course of any period of time. you re not able to say, we were able to do x, y, and z because we tortured this individual. it s just a false argument. he said it worked. but he leaves the caveat, we could have got it from somewhere else. but that was the view today. republicans wanted to hear brennan say, we got the information that got bin laden. they did, right? the democrats wanted to hear, we weren t sure if that really came from here, we just got the information. they heard that too. he said both things. so both sides are able to glom on to the points they want to use and use that politically, however they choose. it s not knowable to know if we could have gotten the same information, means it wasn t even a last resort. i mean, that to me, suggests that they didn t even try very hard otherwise to get that information. bases loaded, bottom of the ninth, guy hits a home run. you could say, somebody else could have done that. it s true. the pitcher could have hit a home run. the shortstop, the least likely. but you don t know. anyway, yesterday colorado senator mark udall gave a fiery speech on the floor of the senate, calling for president obama to purge from his administration people who were part of the cia s interrogation program, people like the director himself, john brennan. this is tough stuff for a guy on his way out. but here he is. torture just didn t happen afterall, contrary to the president s recent statement, we didn t torture some folks. real actual people engaged in torture. some of these people are still employed by the cia and the u.s. government. they are right now people serving in high level positions at the agency who approved directed or committed acts related to the cia s detention and interrogation program. it s bad enough not to prosecute these officials. but to reward or promote them, and risk the integrity of the u.s. government, to protect them, is incomprehensible. the best thing about our country, we talk about this in the open. i always talk about, when we were growing up, we had the space program. we said there s a guy on the board. before the ship took off, the russians, you never knew if the ship came down, blew up in the air, poor monkey, or not even that. we were honest and we think of ourselves as the good guys. we think of ourselves, but it s ten years later we re talking about this. we re talking about it and a lot of other countries never do. so what could will come of this hand-wrippinging, which i think is morally important? will it shorten the leash on future cias or not? i do know, when you re talking about this program, that the senate democrats, senate republicans knew about this. this wasn t new to them. they understood this. for them now to be outraged is a little disingenuous. now that we know about it, the program s over. it s been ended. what are the 2016 candidates going to say about it? because now it s in the forefront again? what torture will do is stop people from coming on the show and looking at the camera instead of looking at me. did you learn that at the virginia leadership school? i was in news before. okay, go ahead. well, the republicans are mostly, as i understand it, expressing outrage that it s out in the open now, even though the terrorists have been recruiting on this stuff for years. so i don t think cheney s making the case for it. how will this find its way into party platforms? will the democrats say we re against it? will republicans say, we re for torture? they re not going to say they re pro-torture. do you think cheney will actually say no, no. he is something. isn t he something? i think if anybody thumps their nose at this guy, i ve been through this, you take on cheney, and he wants to dismember you. anyway, the roundtable is staying with us. when we come back, the war on insurgen insurgency. this is hot for the democrats elizabeth warren leading the charge for the future of the democrat party. she wants them to be a populist party that keeps a tough rein on wall street. this is hardball, the place for politics. 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and it starts with copper, the mineral copper. there s copper in brass. there s copper in bronze. the statue of liberty is sheathed in a layer of copper. that s about the thickness of two pennies. pennies themselves used to be copper, but now they re just copper-covered zinc, which sort of seems sad. it makes financial sense, because copper over time became too valuable to use in something as cheap as a penny, because most of what we use copper for now is conducting electricity. we use copper for wiring. there is a massive global appetite for copper. and the world s largest producer of copper is an american company. it s a company that used to be based in new orleans but now the mining company freeport is based in phoenix, arizona. and the freeport mining company of phoenix, arizona, they do still mine copper in arizona and they mine copper in new mexico and in colorado. but they are a gigantic firm. and they re a global operation. in south america, they mine copper in chile, peru. in indonesia, they operate the largest gold mine in the entire world, which is also the third largest copper mine in the world, which is also a huge silver mine as well. this is an american company, but the physical footprint that freeport has in indonesia, it isn t just visible from space. it s easily visible from space. it s massive. their mine in papua province in indonesia, is basically a massive upside down mountain. it s almost a half million acres. they first discovered mineral wealth there in the 1930s when it was a dutch colony, by the 1970s, indonesia was an independent country and that mine was one of the biggest open pits in the world. among the many products and byproducts of that mine are of course all that silver and copper and gold. also hundreds of millions of tons of mining waste that they have dumped in the surrounding jungle and rivers. that environmental damage associated with that mine is one of the things that mine is most famous for around the globe. it is also unappreciaby massive, both geographically and economically. freeport s operation in indonesia is so big, in indonesia that company is the single biggest taxpayer for the whole country. and it s not like indonesia is some rinky-dink country. indonesia has 260 million people. the biggest countries on earth by population are china first, then india, then us, then indonesia. indonesia is ginormous. but of all the 260 million people in indonesia, its biggest tax payment every year comes from arizona, comes from this american company. it s just huge. in our presidential election this past year, do you remember when indonesia had a weird little cameo role? it was in the republican primary. it came up. it was so strange, so inexplicable but unexplained. at the time and until now, it didn t ever make sense until now. and i love it when a story like, you know, doesn t make sense for a year, and then all of a sudden it does. it rarely happens when you get it so clearly, like light dawns on marblehead, oh, that s why that happened. in this case, light dawns on marblehead, now we get it. it started off strangely with no explanation. it was last september, 2015. a few months into the start of the republican primary. the donald trump candidacy had started in june of 2015, and it was almost, honestly, treated as a joke from thbeginning. his supporters can crow about that now, and they do, but at the time it was treated mostly as a joke. and there were some funny things, some laughable things about the launch of the trump candidacy, up to and including reports that the candidate had to hire extras, he literally had to pay actors to pretend to be his supporters at his day one announcement at trump tower. but however soft and even silly his ndidacy seemed at the very start, it ught fire r real very quickly, so much so that by the fall of 2015, the republican party was already worrying openly about donald trump s poll numbers. he was definitely leading. and the were worried that even if one of their more normal candidates could beat trump to get the nomination, they were worried that he was showing such support in the polls, maybe he might bolt the republican party and run as a third party, an independent candidate against whoever the republican nominee was. this was a real concern, moderators at the debates, and ultimately the party itself, started asking all the republican candidates to make a pledge, to pledge that they would support whoever the party ended up nominating. and there was a little question as to whether the other candidates would really pledge to definitely do that, because there was a chance to donald trump might become the nominee and would they all be comfortable making that pledge. but mostly the republicans were worried about trump himself. would trump make a pledge like that? would he really pledge, not just to not run as an independent, but to wholeheartedly support whoever the republican nominee was, even if it was somebody like low energy jeb bush or lyin ted or little marco? the republican party was very worried about that, because initially the answer from trump was that he would make no such pledge. is there anyone onstage, and can i see hands, who is unwilling tonight to pledge your support to the eventual nominee of the republican party and pledge to not run an independent campaign against that person? again, we re looking for you to raise your hand now. raise your hand now if you won t make that pledge tonight. mr. trump. mr. trump, to be clear, you re standing on a republican i fully understand. the place where the rnc will give the nominee the nod. i fully understand. just to be clear, we re going to move on, you re not going to make the pledge? i m not going to make the pledge at this time. that was august 2015. major point of contention in the republican party. major point of contention at the republican debates. lots and lots of drama around that issue. all the other candidates say, yeah, i ll make the pledge. but donald trump for a long time wouldn t. and that is why it was genuinely a big deal, it was the resolution to something around which there was a lot of tension. it was a big deal when on september 3rd, donald trump changed tack, finally announced that yes, he would sign this pledge. i have signed the problem. [ applause ] so i will be totally pledging my allegiance to the republican party and the conservative principles for which it stands. and we will go out and we will fight hard and we will win. he signed it. he signed the pledge. i have signed the pledge. it sort of feels like a silly turn in the campaign, now looking back at it. but at the time it was a big deal in the republican primary. there were two things that were weird about it when it happened. the first one was when he held up that piece of paper, everybody could see that the date on it was wrong. it was september 3rd, not august 3rd. that was kind of weird, the date was wrong. the second thing that was strange was, hey, what s this random indonesian guy doing there for this announcement? it was a weird moment at the time and it really made no sense until now. we re having one of those moments when something that previously made no sense, makes sense. this is what happened that day. this is how donald trump, he wrapped up, and then restarted his press conference about signing that silly republican pledge. it was so weird at the time. watch. thank you, everybody. thank you. thank you. [ applause ] hey, ladies and gentlemen, this is a very an amazing man. he is, as you know, right, speaker of the house of indonesia. he s here to see me. one of the most powerful men and a great man and his whole group is here to see me today. we will do great things for the united states; is that correct? yes. do they like me in indonesia? yes, thank you very much. speaker of the house in indonesia. thank you very much. [ applause ] that was such a random moment in the presidential election, right? such a random moment in the republican primary. press conference is over, he convenes this press conference to announce he signs this pledge, holds the pledge up with the wrong date on it, thanks everybody, walks away, comes back to the podium, starts up the press conference to tell everybody how awesome it is that he s meeting with his friend, december 2015, three months after he had that weird meeting with trump that nobody understood, that guy, the speaker of the house in indonesia, forced to resign in the midst of this scandal. and then over the course of the ensuing year, things got even more wild than that. he was facing this ethics tribunal for this caught on tape corruption scandal. but then the tape itself got ruled inadmissible as evidence before the tribunal. and this guy was powerful enough and connected enough that even though he had had to resign in disgrace, even though everybody had heard the tape, right after our election in november, this past november, they actually returned this guy to power as speaker of the house again. and now two things have happened that sort of make us understand our new world. two things have happened that make this all make sense. number one is that the trump organization has just confirmed to the new york times that donald trump s new real estate deals, that golf course he wants to build, that resort he wants to build, the indonesian resort deals that brought this politician to trump tower in the first place, trump organization has just confirmed to the new york times those deals are on. those projects are moving forward. remember when donald trump said right after he was elected that there would be no new deals by the trump organization? now that he s president-elect? there are new deals that are absolutely under way in west java, that s the golf course, and in bali, that s the hotel. must be nice to have a very powerful politician like the country s speaker of the house helping you out with real estate deals like that. and what does the indonesian speaker of the house get out of this deal? the man who was caught on tape trying to squeeze $4 billion out of that gigantic american mining company, that s the largest taxpayer in his country? that brings us to the final piece of this, which is apparently how it s going to work in this country. we re used to reading about how stuff works like this with autocratic leaders who have been in power for decades, and their extended family who own more wealth than the rest of the country combined, right, politicians who get caught for corruption in foreign countries, we re used to reading about this in like terrible human rights reports on countries that end in -stan. but now we get an american chapter of this story, because the last piece of this is that just as this speaker of the house in indonesia gets reinstated, after his corruption charges get thrown out on a technicality, just as this speaker of the house helping donald trump with his real estate deals gets put back in power, and just as those deals that will enrich the american president personally, just as those real estate deals get turned back on in indonesia, at the same time our incoming president announces the newest member of his administration, who will serve without a salary and will not be asked to disclose any of his business contacts, a man who has been consulted already on the head of the epa, who is consulting now on picking the head of the sec, who will apparently be in charge of reviewing all corporation regulations in the new administration, this new key member of the federal government for whom they have invented a job without a formal portfolio, he is the single largest shareholder in that mining company, whose mines in indonesia you can see from space. the company that did not pay the $4 billion shakedown price to that politician who is personally helping donald trump get richer in indonesia as president. and now that company will presumably be in an excellent position to do whatever needs to be done to benefit whoever needs to be benefitted. you scratch my back, i scratch a giant hole in the earth that can be viewed from mars. this is apparently what it s going to be like now. everybody s got to pay attention now. i know it feels like time to not pay attention. we ve all got to pay attention. a lot more ahead tonight. stay with us. coming up on look! famous people! we catch flo, the progressive girl, at the supermarket buying cheese. scandal alert! flo likes dairy?! woman: busted! 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worse. ask your doctor if 24-hour breo could be a missing piece for you. learn more about better breathing at mybreo.com. what were you smoking? no one thought that. i know no one thought that but we wanted to be ready. what i told our committee years ago, assume we get the white house and congress, then come 2018, what do you want to have accomplished for the country? so this is exactly what congress and the house has been working on for the last year, getting everything ready to basically rock and roll in 2017 and get working. speaker of the house paul ryan is ready to rock and roll, basically, in 2017. republicans lost seats in the house and in the senate in this election, lost two seats in the senate, six seats in the house. but they are in charge on both sides of capitol hill and are about to have a president of their own party. donald trump will be sworn in january 20th. but the new congress gets sworn in tomorrow. what they say they re going to start working on out of the gate is a tiny little list. dismantling obamacare, starting to rip up medicaid, the health insurance that more than one in five americans are on. they want to kill the consumer financial production bureau, kill the wall street reforms put in place after the crash, the dodd/frank law. they want to start privatizing the va, which most veterans say they re very opposed to. and of course they want big tax cuts for the wealthiest americans and for corporations. and that s just the start. that s what they want to start with. it s a very big and ambitious agenda. they ve been wait to go fulfill it for years, as you heard paul ryan just explain there. they have been planning it for some time now. remember those dozens of times they fake repealed obamacare? now we know why they did it so many times. practice, practice, practice. but i have to tell you, we re also just getting in some breaking news tonight from capitol hill. this has just come in since we ve been on the air. it s apparently started already. house republicans met in a closed door conference tonight and voted basically to scrap the independent ethics office in congress. this is the office of congressional ethics that was created eight years ago after a particularly lurid period of repeated congressional scandals. it s an independent ethics office that investigates misconduct of lawmakers and staff members in the house. but there was a closed door meeting of house republicans tonight and they voted that instead of maintaining the independent office of congressional ethics, they re going to put it under a congressional committee, under the house ethics committee. it sounds like a bureaucratic change, but what that means is there s no independent ethics oversight of congress. it means lawmakers themselves now get to police themselves for ethics. this means no ethics investigation information will have to be released to the public. they can police themselves now. nancy pelosi put out a statement on this tonight. quote, republicans claim they want to drain the swamp but the night before the new congress gets sworn in, the house gop has eliminated the only independent ethics oversight of their actions. evidently ethics are the first casualty of the republican congress. that news breaking in the last half hour. ed o keefe, editor at the washington post, happy new year. good to see you, rachel. and happy new congress. let me ask you about this breaking news we just got about the independent ethics office in congress. where did that come from and why is this an important change? so the office of congressional ethics was established back in 2008, essentially in the wake of the abramoff scandal, the mark foley scandal, there was a public outcry and they realized they had to set up an independent watchdog to field complaints about campaign improprieties, personal behavior, other things. it s existed for the last eight years, barely has a set of teeth, and has presented information over the last few years that has led to the removal or resignation of some lawmakers. there s a belief that they could have done a lot more. what republicans have done, let s be specific about this, had a closed door meeting, after the sun went down, yes, those things actually do happen, and decided amongst themselves that when the new house convenes tomorrow afternoon, they re going to present a rules package that has to be voted on by republicans and democrats that will include close that go office and putting it under the how the ethics committee. the reason is a majority of republicans believe the way this office has worked in the last eight years is in essence unfair to them because it doesn t allow them the chance to appeal some of these complaints. the new office won t be allowed to field anonymous tips which is what the current one has been allowed to do. one other important thing to point out here, we know that paul ryan and majority leader kevin mccarthy opposed closing this office because they don t want you and i having this conversation and they don t want this to become a pr nightmare for them, frankly, as the new congress convenes tomorrow. this goes against everything donald trump would have campaigned about, right, draining the swamp and the desire to do things in washington to make it an ethical place? this seems to run counter to that. it will be interesting to watch republican lawmakers tomorrow explain why they want to do this. will there be a difference now in terms of us, the press, and we, the public, getting information about ethics complaints, about ethics investigations of lawmakers? is there an issue in terms of just what we have access to when these complaints are made, when lawmakers are looked into in terms of ethical misdoings? absolutely. and it was already pretty bad to begin with, because the process was so secretive, you couldn t get information out of this office for fear they would get shut down the way they may tomorrow, frankly. but ultimately we would get reports that either tell us that somebody was indeed facing some ethical questions or that they had been excused. but it was a months-long, very secretive process. it probably will be even more so now, if it goes through. in terms of the politics here, you mentioned that very important point that house speaker paul ryan and majority leader kevin mccarthy didn t want to do this. they did not want this to be the first headline of the new congress, that they ll be getting rid of the ethics office. that implies that they re having issues controlling their own conference. i mean, this vote tonight didn t involve any democrats. this vote was republicans only. and they lost it by a lot. if their leadership was telling them to vote no, the yes vote was 119-74. that suggests some deep clefts in the republican caucus, even before they get fully under way. well, anyone who has been watching this television show known as congress for the last eight years knows that clefts have existed, frankly. this is just an example of the kinds of divisions we ll see over the next few months. yes, republicans starting tomorrow are going to begin the process of trying to change obamacare, revamp the tax code, undo the dodd/frank financial reforms of the last few weeks, and a host of other things. but they haven t come to unanimous agreement on how exactly that should be done. you ll see plenty of disagreements over the course of this, between hard core conservatives who want to do it one way, mainstream conservatives who want to do it another, and those that realize that if they do too much of this, they could suffer some setbacks in two years in the 2018 elections. we ve seen democrats successfully run in the past against republicans by saying they want to undo your medicaid, your medicare, now they want to undo your obamacare, now they want to give it back to the big banks and let them do whatever they want. those campaign messages can work in some situations. yet they say, and it s true, they have a mandate because they have total control of congress and they have the right to at least begin this process. we ll see how it goes. ed o keefe, congressional reporter for the washington post. i had no idea there would be such substantive news about the new congress before it even starts. shows what you we re in for. exactly. time to pay attention. thanks, ed, appreciate it. take care. much more ahead tonight, including some breaking news with some striking visuals about something that s going on an airports around the country right now. plus an announcement about something that s going to happen on this show tomorrow which is a very big deal and for which i m already nervous. stay with us. for lower back pain sufferers, the search for relief often leads. here. here. or here. today, there s another option. drug-free aleve direct therapy. a tens device with high intensity power that uses technology once only available in doctors offices. its wireless remote lets you 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apparently crashed tonight at airports all around the country. the agency says it s a temporary outage. they say they re working to fix it. customs officials say they re using alternative procedures for clearing passengers for their flights but meanwhile thousands of people using u.s. airports tonight, think of all the people coming home from the holiday weekend, lots of people need to be back at work tomorrow morning, thousands of people have been stalled at airport counters around the country tonight. people have posted pictures of epic lines in atlanta and boston and fort lauderdale. two people reportedly fainted tonight while they were trying to wait out a giant line in miami. more than 30 international flights were affected at miami. if you re wondering whether this computer outage is some sort of cyber attack on u.s. customs, so far we are not getting any word of that. we don t yet know what caused the customs computer system to crash. but whatever caused it, this is turning out to be an especially not-nice night at the airport all over the country. we ll let you know as we learn more. but if you are out in the middle of this right now, i m sorry. hang in there. we ll be right back. afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine. all seems beautiful to me. (humming) take a closer look at geico. great savings. and a whole lot more. president became the nominee that year to succeed him. heading into the 1968 election, things didn t look great for the democrats. the party was not at all unified behind its candidate, vice president hubert humphrey. and after the civil rights legislation, southern democrats peeled off to vote for produced segregationist george wallace. not to mention the country was torn up over the vietnam war, and if you were against the war like most americans were at the time, you were maybe not excited to vote for lbj s vice president to be his democratic successor that year. so things were stacked against the democrats in 68 anyway. but the republican candidate running in 1968 knew that very well. richard nixon was the republican candidate in 68. he was determined to take advantage of anti-vietnam-war sentiment in the country. he said if you wanted to end the vietnam war, you needed to elect him, vote the democrats out of office. but five nights before the election was due to happen, the democratic president, lbj, went on tv and made a surprise announcement that peace was at hand in vietnam. the communist side, the north vietnamese, were going to make major concessions, and the south vietnamese were going to agree to a deal based on those concessions. peace was at hand. in recognition of the fact that peace was about to be declared, he said the united states would step back right away and stop all military operations in vietnam. lbj made that announcement on the thursday before the election was due to happen on tuesday. but in the interim, on saturday morning, it all fell party. the south vietnamese side pulled out of the peace talks and the war was back on for the reasons those very promising peace talks in 1968 failed is because of this incredible audiotape of lbj, president johnson in 1968, after the whole thing fell apart. johnson confiding in his longtime friend, senator richard russell, that the republican nominee, richard nixon, had been interfering in the peace talks to blow them up. richard nixon approached the south vietnamese side and the peace talks and told them, get out of these peace talks, don t agree to a deal, you re getting suckered here. just wait until after the election when he, richard nixon, would be president and he d give them a much better deal. nixon s intermediary was caught on tape actually telling south vietnamese, hang on through the election, hang on, basely don t end the war, we need the war to keep going until the election. hold on until you get nixon. and those communications to the south vietnamese worked. i mean, at least the politics worked for nixon. nixon got elected. he always denied he d done anything to fro long the war for his own political purposes, denied he d done anything to destroy that chance at peace in vietnam. always denied that to the end. now we know his denials were total bullpucky. author of a new nixon biography, historian john farrell, uncovered notes from nixon s closest aide showing nixon directed his campaign to scuttle the peace talks. october 22nd, 1968, notes taken by that staffer show that nixon told him to monkey wrench these efforts to start the peace negotiations. any other way to monkey wrench it? anything r.n., anything richard nixon can do? nixon also directed his vice presidential candidate agnew to threaten the cia director richard helms around these negotiations. the notes read agnew, go see helms, tell him we want the truth or he hasn t got the job. meaning he won t stay on as director of the cia once i m president unless he does what i want here. nothing like threatening the cia director even before you take office, right? that s one way to get kind of paranoid that maybe your intelligence agencies might turn on you or they re after you. that they re a political actor that needs to be managed. that s exactly what happened. in the months before president-elect nixon took office, he was so skeptical of intelligence agencies in the united states government that he refused to accept the intelligence briefings offered by the outgoing administration. he didn t take a single face-to-face meeting with the cia staff that was in place specifically to provide transition support to him. intelligence community sent nixon s transition, they sent them envelopes containing the presidential daily briefs since he wouldn t do a face-to-face briefing. at the end of his transition period, the office returned all the envelopes unopened. convinced they were political players, working behind the scene to get his opponent elected. in 50 years president nixon was the only president-elect to openly distrust the intelligence community to that kind of degree before now. it seems like you have a tendency just looking at it from the outside to doubt american intelligence when it comes to russian hack i m trying to better understand why it seems that way. i just want them to be sure because it s a pretty serious charge. i want them to be sure and if you look at the weapons of mass destruction, that was a disaster and they were wrong. i want them to be sure. i think it s unfair if they don t know. i know a lot of hacking and hacking is a very hard thing to prove so it could be somebody else and i also know things that other people don t know and so they cannot be sure of this situation. like what? what do you know that other people don t know? you ll find out on tuesday or wednesday. i know a lot about hacking. i know things that other people don t know. they cannot be sure of the situation. so far, we don t know what mr. trump knows that the rest of us do not know. maybe we will find out tomorrow or wednesday. although his campaign says don t hold your breath. we have seen this kind of strange relationship with the intelligence community before. it was earned in very different ways then. it was weird then. it s weird now. but at least there is some precedent. not a good precedent. there is some precedent. marie starts her chicken pot pie with a crust made from scratch and mixes crisp vegetables with all white meat chicken, and bakes it to perfection. because making the perfect dinner isn t easy as pie but finding someone to enjoy it with sure is. marie callender s. it s time to savor. like their photo claims tool. it helps settle your claim quickly, which saves time, which saves money. and when they save, you save. that s auto and home insurance for the modern world. esurance, an allstate company. click or call. esurance does insurance a smarter way, which saves money. like bundling home and auto coverage, which reduces red tape, which saves money. and when they save, you save. that s home and auto insurance for the modern world. esurance, an allstate company. click or call. .better than a manual, and my hygienist says it does. but. .they re not all the same. turns out, they re really. .different. who knew? 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if you are talking about a way for us to actually win and not just bust the blue wall, you are assuming we are winning states that mitt romney and john mccain both lost to president obama including iowa, ohio and florida. of course north carolina the first time. here s the important thing and momentum and enthusiasm matter. in addition us closing the gap from 12 points to being ahead or being tied. by the way, let me ask you this. have you had a poll move 13 points in a week? have you had a poll move 13 points in a week? that you didn t wonder something must be wrong with the poll. i m not wondering at all. we can t play that game. i can t have your network calling the race over because of the abc news washington post moving and say that may not have been right. i didn t hang my hat on that poll then or now. a lot of people in your network did. i want to make the point that the lines are clearly going in our direction and i think the most fascinating numbers in abc washington poll are not the horse race numbers and they show hillary clinton s unfavorable ratings are high and donald trump is trusted more than she is by the american voter and most importantly, something we have talked about, the attribute that goes to empathy and compassion with voters and the question of who cares more about people like you. clinton and trump were tied on that. that s remarkable and all the trends are going our way. job creation and politicians. that plays well in the upper midwest. you concerned that you go to wisconsin and you go to nevada and joe heck, the senate candidate has not decided what he is going to do. new hampshire is another state thaw brought up. i m going to can the question. are you concerned that you may come up short and in new hampshi hampshire. three of the leading republicans and in each of those places may be holding you back somewhat. and whose fault will that be? mr. trump endorsed kelly ayotte and endorsed john mccain and has been gracious. he has done his part to unify the party by becoming president. you don t think he could have done more? it s time for republicans to come home. i like governor pence s message. mr. trump went to wisconsin for a great event with senator johnson and governor walker. anyway, i wanted to say this to you. for a president trump to have a republican senate. like missouri and north carolina where donald trump is ahead of the senate candidates and in terms of the gubernatorial candidates, trump is ahead of the republican gubernatorial candidates in indiana, missouri and new hampshire. one final question. in the early vote on one hand we have seen good news on your side depending on the racial make up and good news on different make ups. there is one part of this that to me doesn t look good for your side. while african-american turn out may be down, hispanic turn out is on the way to record breaking. how much does that concern you in. it all concerns me because that s my job. we top the make sure we invested early in the absentee ballot and early voting. if you have to go through the budget and decide where to put your resources, we like the early returns that we are getting in the states where we are on par or ahead of where governor romney was in terms of early returns. we are keeping a close eye on that, but you have the states like pennsylvania and new hampshire which are day of voting. there is absentee voting of course. you will see mr. trump and governor pence in those states. we are happy with what we see with requests for absentee ballots. do you acknowledge that the hispanic vote is on the way to a record high, did that make it more difficult some. not necessarily. there will be millions of votes cast in florida and we feel good about mitt romney got 27% and a little bit better in florida. a lot of voters would surprise you and the number of people who are excited about the trump message with job creation and renegotiating deals and make us more safe and prosperous. people of all backgrounds want change. there is only one clear choice. i have to ask you this. there was an incident today that some supporter of donald trump s yelled at the media pen a pretty horrific thing. take a listen. you are an embarrassment. the guy yelled you sell out for a few scheckles. you were asked about the jew sa chant that he had. donald trump is not doing this, but it is surfacing supporters with a lot of anti-semitic rhetoric. what is your campaign doing? it is not a lot and i would not be part of this campaign and you know it. it keeps showing up. in arizona it keeps showing up. the first amendment right. you can sound like a fool and hear people sound that way every day. the fact is that in the case of arizona, i checked the with the head of security and he plus the guys on the ground in arizona tell me they removed that protester. i didn t hear that covered in the news or whatever he is saying idiotic things that do not reflect the campaign or the candida candidacy. donald trump said he will be the president of all people and even those who don t agree with him. with the outbursts like. that. i think she is corrupt and lied and you should criminal investigation. the rhetoric that has been thrown at the media, i have been experienced it in ways i have never experienced about. i m donald trump s campaign manager and i don t appreciate the death threats. it s not fun to have a death threat. i get it completely and think everybody should tone it down. that includes everybody. i am yet to hear hillary clinton distance herself from the antipolice rhetoric. she ignores it like she didn t hear it. six more days and six very, very long days. i will see you victory night. be our guests. see you victory night. joy reed is host of msnbc. kasie hunt. a slew of new polls and the post important is wisconsin. donald trump s path still has to breakthrough the blue wall of the industrial midwest. when you look at the three states, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania. romney and mccain went searching for them and here comes donald trump. they realize i can win all the toss ups and not get there. in wisconsin, it is the market et poll. the good track record. plus six. clinton and romney won the state by seven. even obama won by seven. wishful thinking in retrospect. you say it looks like 2012. the other thing is what ron johnson is behind and the senator and republican by only a point. the polls can be off within a poll and the comparisons are real because it s the same people. ron johnson is running five points ahead. that toll me that are johnson had a nice come back. that are is probably max. the five-point marker is as good as it gets for the candidate running above trump. the fact that trump predicted that he will be five points behind. what s interesting now, you are a michigan native and say keep your eye on michigan. he s another that has been saying you guys don t know what s happening here. trump can carry really well in the midwest. we haven t seen the cracks yet. it s hard to believe it is closer. i think it s possible that there is a surprise lurking in michigan and we are not picking up on it. if there is an x factor in polling where white working class voter who is voted democrat in the past and are excited to vote for trump. that has been the question mark all the way along. some of this is my sense for having covered bernie on the ground. i had republicans raise flags about it and at least one democrat who tried to raise flags in the past and vanish wrong. still it seems to be a place that has come up with for repeatedly. there could be something going on. there is a reason of nervousness in team clinton. not about michigan, but what it takes to win. they need a good turn out and overall early vote has shown maybe african-americans turn out. that doesn t help you in michigan and wisconsin. that doesn t help you. it still exists and the reason democrats had the white whales. republicans have them. you and bill both. the reality is that pennsylvania, wisconsin and michigan will go democrat and keep going democrat because those big cities. those big urban centers go for the democrats and the suburbs go for the democrats and you have a state like ohio and the reason they are more viable is you have a smaller african-american population. whether or not you have the robust turn out when the first black president and the reelect happened. you can t compare that. barack obama running in 8 and 12, the first black president potential existing. you are never going to get that back. i keep wondering i should we use 2012? not quite. it may be too long away. we go back to 2000 which is a generic race and michigan, i believe it was like plus 4. it s not as democratic as people think. who was the governor? detroit is a lot smaller. you know what michigan is lacking and what pennsylvania has and ohio has. it s big suburban centers with a lot of well educated white voters. they are not voting for donald trump at the moment and that exists to a lesser degree in michigan. oakland county by the way, a county that used to be a republican county is likely going to end up voting for her. two non-college whites in the congress. you have to remember that when they talk about the suburbs in the 80s and 90s. now what you are seeing is a lot of african-americans and a lot of others are moving out and it s the city that is expensive. gentrification is pushing a lot of af kanch americrican-america. they have college educated white voters and nonwhite voters. ohio has less of all of that and they have the largest non-college educated white populations and an ache% white population. trump can win ohio, but not michigan. something we are starring to stumble into the result and may throw up a bunch of cnn polls and they have problems with the nevada numbers. let me throw them up. really said don t believe the numbers and the clark county split is so wrong which it is. the florida poll looks like what others look like. pennsylvania and cnn has at four. that would surprise people and clinton had 48 and 44. arizona with 49 and 44. taken together it is starting to look like 2012. all together. here s the funny thing. it is an extraordinary year. it is extraordinary. a week from now if you looked at the results, it can look like an ordinary race. the democrat could win and the senate could be democrat and the republicans might hold the house and it would be an interesting question if we were all too call the up in the drama and we had an ordinary election. we didn t have an ordinary election and may have stumbled on an ordinary result. i think the martians could be confused. you get to that because they are shifting underneath. white women shifting and a higher i hhispanic turn out. this will be important november 9th as we unpack the election. we look into the states and the map will look within the states. you guys are sticking around. coming up, trump and the establishment and how the grass roots movement stumped the elites. how the filmmaker is warning about what could come next. live in studio next. stay tuned. new bikes aren t selling guys. what are we gonna do? 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[beeping] take on any galaxy with a car that could stop for you. simulation complete. the new nissan rogue. rogue one: a star wars story. in theaters december 16th. military failure and success, incumbent charisma and challenger charisma. on six of these measure, the white house goes to trump. the professor said trump can start measuring with six days to go. he is sticking to that prediction and hasn t been wrong in the last eight presidential elections. he is a professor of history in american university and he is correctly predicted the results of every presidential election using this matrix since 1984. i will say i know you are not a supporter of donald trump and i think you ran as a democrat back in the day. what is it and what is the missing seventh key for hillary clinton that your system says is going to keep her from the white house. all right. you have gone through the keys and you are right. my predictions are nonpartisan. ninth predictions. five democrats and four republicans. you can t be more nonpartisan about that. they took a pasting in the mid-terms. incumbency since obama is not running. third party. gary johnson is polling way above what any libertarian has done. he might be fading and the lack of policy change given the gridlock in the second obama term. it goes term boy term and the lack of a big splashy foreign policy success in the second term like dispatching bid laden and number six the fact that hillary clinton is not a once in a generation charismatic candidate like a kennedy. i never hedged a prediction. it sounds like you might hedge. you want to hear it? let s hear the hedge. i m not locking at a crystal ball and i m not ben carson. i m basing my predictions on history. and they go all the way back to 1860. in donald trump we may well have a history-smashing candidate who so much of the american people regard as unfit for the presidency who have done a dozen things that would have driven any other candidate out of the race. when herman cain was in the nomination, that drove him out of the race. donald trump has been accused of sexual harassment by 12 woman and openly bragged about assaulting women and continues on. he is the only candidate ever to question the peaceful transfer of power. he could break the pattern. he can break the pattern, but there is a chance that hillary clinton basically gets this last key and it goes to the third party. what is your level, what is the level on your key for a third? the collective 30 party vote and at a 5% frethreshold and that mt be the that might flip it for you if it did fade? check, as usual you are right on point. obviously we don t know what gary johnson is going to poll. it s just gary johnson. my typical methodology they will use is to take the highest polling numbers for a third party and cut it in half. that worked invariably. gary johnson was polling about 13%. he is about 6 or 6.5. and it shows he is in decline. i don t know what gary johnson is going to do ultimately. i am not going to change my predictions before the election. if he ends up less than five, that s one less key and that would mean what? your system works and clinton wins? the system works if clinton wins. that s right. we will be waiting to see and maybe it s all about gary johnson s number to find out the future of your keys. anyway. always good to see you, sir. same here, chuck. still ahead, michael moore joins me in his new movie trumpland and whether the nation can come together after this devicive election. stay tuned. eyes open? good. because it s here. cue the confetti. say hi to xiidra, lifitegrast ophthalmic solution. xiidra is the first prescription eye drop solution approved to treat the signs and symptoms of dry eye. so give your eye doctor a ring, and your eyes just might thank you. one drop in each eye, twice a day. the most common side effects of xiidra include eye irritation, discomfort or blurred vision when the drops are applied to the eyes, and an unusual taste sensation. to help avoid eye injury or contamination of the solution, do not touch the container tip to your eye or any surface. if you wear contact lenses, remove them before using xiidra and wait for at least 15 minutes before placing them back in your eyes. are you ready to do something about your dry eyes? talk to your doctor about xiidra. tv: oh, it s gonna get crazy! internet videos. this is black friday that is insane. i would never do that. at chevy, you can avoid the chaos and get great deals on the most awarded lineup. i like that. bam! it s awesome! you don t have to camp out at the chevy dealer two days in advance. i love it. 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michael moore joins me now. i have to say i loved the idea of what hyou had to do. it is what the two candidates should be doing and what many in the media should be spending more time doing. you put them together. how did they interact? people were with each other. that room was about a 30 trump people, one half hillary and the others were not going to vote. why do they trust you? i am them in that way. i am trump s demographic. an angry white guy over 35. on that level. you would like to throw a molotov cocktail at washington. yes, i have known that feeling. let s blow this up and start over. not violently, of course. i understand mainly because my friends who lost their jobs and the people who suffered some of them for decades because it started in the 80s, i understand why they are angry and i understand why they want to do that. if i can bring them in the room, maybe there was common ground and maybe i can convince them to not use the ballot next tuesday as an anger management exercise. we played the gay marriage excerpt not because you pointed to a couple of people who raised their hand. nobody really did. i feel as if one way we will look back on this election and it s the end of another long time strategist and he believes this too. our divide had been social issue based and we are seeing the year that trade shakes up both parties. do you think we are headed to a new divide based on and this is the end of the cultural wars. a lot of liberals are saying after the election even if hillary wins, the other side. there are pockets on both sides. the big issues are over. they are not going to go to the map on gay marriage or pro choice. that s over. that s good. we are moving into the future now. the issues are going to be economic-based. does the government help me as a working person, as a family member or are they more concerned about wall street? trump has been able to speak to people i know when he goes after hillary for the peaches to goldman sachs or against ford motor and say if you build the cars in mexico, we will put a tariff on them. there are obama trump voters. mostly they thought mitt romney didn t understand their problems and didn t identify. the same people who voted obama in iowa will vote clinton. do you think there are enough in michigan. that will flip iowa. are there enough of those guys in michigan? i think and i want to warn everybody, do not trust these numbers. look, i m in michigan. on the morning of the primary in march, all the polls on this network and all the networks, everybody missed bernie. they have 8 to 25 points and she lost 12 hours later. i think that there is so much despair in the state and so much anger at the system and when people hear clinton, they hear bush. when they hear bush, they hear clinton. that has been their life and that s the system. he has been able to manipulate and it s a conjob to my friends and people i know in michigan who are thinking of voting for him. i am not sleeping basically because i m spending this week and last week in these brexit states and talking to people in michigan and ohio and pennsylvania. it s interesting that you call them brexit states. the angry used to be the middle class and now they are people that work two jobs and are struggling to get by. if hillary clinton is elected, what s your advice to her on connecting with this? whoever wins has to reach out to this angry other side. if she wins, does she have this theater? should she have a theater of just trump supporters? she will win them over because what she does is all things that help them. she will make sure that the women are paid the same as men. she will support legislation that has a family leave and a paid maternity leave and support the things that help them. she will fix the pipes in flint so people are not drinking poison water. they will see that and go you know what, i saw it in the republican tone and i had trump people who said they will think about it. they didn t me they were voting for hillary, but he said you showed the picture of her holing that baby when she was out doing research on her health care plan and they said you made her look like a human being. she is a human being. a wonderful human being. her problem is she plays by her own set of rules that means she helps her friends before she helps me. the perception that the media created. she had been through so much abuse. she is thinking to herself, i want my private life to be private. it ended up exploiting and her favorite show is the good wife. i know everything about her. the opposite of what she wanted to happen, but people have to get a reality check. we are talking about e-mails versus everything that he is going to do to blow up the and wait until the president trump is elected. the way you tell the person, clinton, bush. clinton, bush. pick clinton over trump. they say oh, yeah, but bill clinton signed nafta. why should they believe that? you are picking the right clinton this time. you are picking the clinton. she is going to you find her a better clinton than bill. absolutely. no disrespect to him, but she is a woman who had to go through the first feminist of the 60s and 70s. she had to suffer. she walked through the fire. that are scar tissue is going to the memory of what it has been like to be the minority and be the person who has been harassed and attacked. all the things that is in donald trump, she lived that. she is going to sit in the oval office and the first thing on her mind every day is let s make sure we don t hurt anybody, especially the children and the family. the i totally believe that as someone who never voted for her. i m a bernie voter. i m excited to vote for her on tuesday. it s getting views. it s quite a few people are watching this. number still in the country. i m stunned by it and happy. if people watch it, especially people thinking of not voting, that s the worst thing. if you are thinking of not voting. michael moore. thanks for having me in person. my politics sports obsession. wait until you see how i turn tonight s game seven into a very important election night-related issue. we ll be right back. game seven of the world series is tonight between the cubs and the indians. as predictable as any guy as a time cubs fan when she is not a yankees fan, clinton has every reason to root for the cubs. when the national league teams win game seven, the party in power holds the white house. the yankees won and so did are now. the same two results. the yankees and ike dominated the 50s. in 1960 it was the pittsburgh pirates who won that heart stopper and a democrat, jack ken see did the same. it was the national leg s cardinals in and linda johnson. the tigers won game and richard nixon took the white house. the oakland a s and all of their long hair and the american league won in seven and nixon in a landslide. there have been plenty of gamel the same year, believe its and plenty of presidential elections but never in the same year. so what do you do? i guess you hope history doesn t repeat itself. have a great time watching this game tonight. i know i am. well, if you want to sing out, sing out and if you want to be free, be free cause there s a million things to be you know that there are and if you want to be me, be me and if you want to be you, be you cause there s a million things to do you know that there are least the rage from pro trump. all these republicans, late. they went ten months without the trump tattoo and they re all going to the tattoo parlor going, yeah, put it on me. put on it me. is this a risk? are they hedging their bets? i think they re being foolish and a little cowardly. i think what happened is they were sort of comfortably sitting back. they were voting for trump and never talking about it. then the access hollywood video came out. there was that crazy weekend. not crazy, an appropriate in my response as saying i can no longer support trump. they had not imagined the deluge of activists. i ll just take back lash. 98% will vote republican at the end of the day and said, it went back the other way. now they just look silly. what good comes out of this for any of these late trump supporters if he doesn t win? i don t see any upside to be honest with you. i m trying to find it. i didn t either but i was like, hey! i do think that a lot of these, they ve always been in a difficult spot. john mccain is probably the best example of this. because for the most part, they ve the republican base has been animated by trump. it is like you can t win with him or without him. what are you going to do? he has so far stuck to, he came out and stuck to, in the wake of that access hollywood tape. he has not flipped back. you re entitled to one flip and not two flips. that s my general rule in politics. he is farther ahead. i feel like nothing epitomizes this more than david saying i can t tell my 15-year-old daughter. look her in the eye. then gets outcurse of the fbi which i think caused a lot of republicans to think, wait a minute. this fbi thing might make trump win. so he scurried back on the trump train within 36 hours literally of the fbi thing. and marco rubio who has been on record saying that trump is dangerous. that he had no business having his finger near the button. then he flees to the trump side. do you know what he got? nothing. his poll numbers have flat lined. he is in a virtual dead heat. patrick murphy is not a great candidate and he is within a point of rubio. a good point. it hasn t gotten i think a big distinction is to say, look. my problem is with donald trump. i m a republican. but i think a trump administration would be better for the country than a clinton policy. that s very different than saying once you re for trump you start down the slippery slope of rationalizing everything he says and does. saying as he man of good character. that you didn t have to do. my colleague wrote, once start for trump, somehow they start going down the slope. but they take themselves by becoming rationalizers instead of reluctant voters. i think he tweeted before the fbi news that he had gone back. and i think that s because he wants to be able to investigate hillary clinton with a clean slate. and i think he may have been thinking about a house leadership race. and i do think, can you be anti-trump and be in house leadership? 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today and something the president himself highlighted at the press conference. take a listen. i think a lot of his views are going to be shaped by his advisers, the people around him, which is why it s important to pay attention to these confirmation hearhearings. this is a job of such magnitude you can t do it by yourself. you are enormously reliant on a team. how you put a team together to make sure that they are getting you the best information and they are teeing up the options from which you will ultimately make decisions. that s probably the most useful advice, the most constructive advice i ve been able to give him. personnel is policy, in other words. especially for a chief executive who for the first time in the history of this republic has zero experience in public service of any kind, not the government nor the military. with policy positions all over the map, even changing from one day to the next, it s nearly impossible to predict just what trump will do as president. the only thing he s actually had to do so far is pick his top advisors and cabinet secretary nominees. on that score, the last two days of confirmation hearings have been an utter train wreck. on capitol hill today, trump s point man on health care, congressman tom price, was besieged by ethical and legal questions over stock trades he s made involving the medical industry while sitting on a committee that ovsees said industry. at one point, price was even caught directly contradicting an official fact sheet from the trump transition stating that price is, and i quote here, financial adviser designed his portfolio and directed all trades in the account. i did it through a broker. i directed the broker to purchase the stock but i did it through a broker. you directed the broker to purchase particularly that stock? that s correct. yeah. now more on price s legal and ethical issues ahead. at his hearing today, epa nominee scoot pruitt faced tough questions from senator bernie sanders over his stance on made made climate change. why is the climate changing? senator, in response to the co-2 issue, the epa administrator is constrained by statutes i m asking your personal opinion. my personal opinion is immaterial to the job of really? you are going to be the head of the agency to protect the environment and your personal feelings about whether climate change is caused by human activity and carbon emissions is immaterial? more of that exchange with sanders coming up. both those hearings came after the shaky debut last night of trump s pick for education secretary, betsy devos, who showed little familiarity with some of the central tenets of education policy, including a landmark law called the individuals with disabilities education act. that s a federal civil rights law so do you stand by your statement a few minutes ago that it should be up to the states whether to follow it? the law must be federal law must be followed where federal dollars are in play. so were you unaware what i just asked you about the it, that it was a federal law. i may have confused it. senator maggie hassan who you saw live joins me later in the show. we also learned in the course of the vetting process, two of trump s nominees discovered problems with household workers, the exact kind of issue that has disqualified cabinet picks in the past. trump sominee for commerce secretary wilbur ross admitted he recently fired a long time employee who he found to be undocumented. employing undocumented workers was enough to thwart two of bill clinton s attorney general nominees in 1993, zoe baird and kimba wood. both withdrew. nick mulvaney just disclosed he failed to pay more than $15,000 in payroll taxes for a household employee. eight years ago a similar tax compliance issue derailed the nomination of tom daschle who had been the senate majority leader for secretary of health and human services. but in 2017, republicans hold the majority in the senate and unless gop senators defect from their party, these are the people who will be running the government. i m joined now by senator brian schatz, democrat from hawaii. senator, there are various opinions about how senators should take their role of advice and consent. there are some who believe the president should have constitutionally and as a matter of principle wide latitude in selecting the people in his administration. others were much more willing to vote no. where s your personal feeling on this? well, i think a president ought to have his or her cabinet. i think they ought to be able to assemble there team but there should be exceptions. to me those exceptions come with pruitt, betsy devos and time price. and the reason for all three of them i think not being qualified for these cabinet positions is that they are unique. they are being asked to lead agencies they want to dismantle. tom price wants to shred the social safety net it s not that he wants to undo obamacare. he wants to block grant made cade. he didn t vote for the children s health insurance program. this is a person who made a career out of systematically dismantling the social safety net. you ve been a hawk on climate for many, many years. scott pruitt is not qualified to lead the epa. there s never been a person even on the republican side, who wants to do such violence to the mission of the epa. are you as of now a no on all three? i m a no on all three and those and betsy devos, oh, boy, that was a rough performance to watch i was talking to a friend of mine not in politics, that went viral all over the internet. millions and millions of views of a health education labor and pensions meeting. something is happening across the country and it s not late october of last year but now where people are realizing that a lot of these nominees will do violence to the agencies they want to run. we have a nominee for the education department who basically will not commit to public education. who doesn t understand the law at its most basic level and won t commit to not privatizing public education. so you re a no on all those three. i remember hearing early reports democrats were going to choose one or two to focus their fire against. obviously civil rights groups feel very strongly about jeff sessions although it s his colleagues what will be voting. that will be a tough vote for democrats to win. there are also concerns about mnuchin. what i m hearing is do you feel it is the temperature of the democratic caucus that opposition is not politically problematic for them? i think you re exactly right. i think wenderstand that we re the fighting 48. we are the leaders of the democratic party nationally and people expect us to fight. they also expect us to allow a president to stand up a government so i anticipate this week secretary nominee mattis and secretary nominee kelly will likely get a vote later on this week or early next week. we want that national security team in place partly because we want rational sane adults in the room in case something happens right away where the new commander in chief has to deal with it. but there are a couple not just a couple probably three to six nominees that i think a lot of us are going to have an extremely hard time swallowing. so you just said you re the fighting 48. 48 being the key number there, the number of democrats. you need two or three votes, you need three votes to defect. do you have any sense that there s anything that any of these nominees could do or say, whether their performance in the hearing or what s turned up in vetting that would lose them those three votes? you know, i don t know the answer to that question but i know a lot of people have been noticing that many of the sort of mini scandals that have popped up in this issue with mr. price and a stock trade, less e things have sunk greater nominees in the past so we re trying to figure out what is the new political calculation. is there nothing that would cause a republican to defy the president-elect? are there no circumstances where we re going to get any bipartisan cooperation from the republicans because it have private conversations with members of the gop on the senate side who tell me they re rational on climate but none of them have popped their head up and said they can t vote for a climate denier for the epa. we need profiles in courage. we don t need a dozen, we only need two or three in order to make a strong statement on one or several of these nominees. courage in the senate usually has to do with whether people are calling in as constituents or making themselves known as voters. senator brian schatz, thank you very much. appreciate it. thank you, chris. joining me now, katie packer and sam seder, host of the majority report. katie, the standard is interesting. i remember the early days of clinton they came right out and they ran into a buzz saw with several nominees. tom daschle was an example of that for barack obama, though mostly smooth sailing. it occurs that in some ways that s perception and shame. a scandal is only big enough to blow up a nominee if that s how it s perceived to be but if you can lock down the votes you can basically confirm anyone. well, and the rules are just sort of different now, you know? it used to be when you had some scandals that the incumbent the president-elect and his team would hint that this is maybe time to step aside. trump doesn t really cow that easily. trump is standing by people that he has put into these poogss. some of these so-called scandals, are they scandals? tom price s stock trade netted him i think $300. is that something the american people will be so outraged over as some of these senators are? . i don t know that the person public looks at the epa as the golden goose that many of the liberals on capitol hill view it as. what a lot of these democrats really object to is that these are republicans that actually are supporting republican ideals that are being nominated and they don t like it. of course they don t. but i don t know that they re scandals. i think we should make a distinction, right? in tom price s case, we ll talk about that, there s allegation of behavior that might violate the stock act. maybe it didn t but there s clarity that needs there which is distinct from the ideological case. do you agree with katie that this is look, anyone that a republican president nominated for epa democrats won t like what they ll do. anyone they nominate for education they re not going to like what they re going to do. how do you distinguish between normal and abnormal, basically? well, is it an appointment that attempts to nullify the existence of the agency? the senator made this paint. you have pruitt whose job it has been to actually nullify the statutory authority of the epa. to litigate against it. so what? now he s going to be so what? republicans dot n like these agencies. b that should be explicit. if the republicans don t like these agencies and they want to sell to the american public that the epa should not be the environmental protection agency but rather it should be the allow corporations to extract as much as they want they should say it. there s a reason why they re not. republicans have been saying that for years. if betsy devos wants to sell the ideology that they should use government money to simply fund parochial schools they should say it. she s incredibly evasive. that s not what betsy devos stood for at all. and she did not address all the questions that had to do that the senate was asking. so clearly they think it s a problem. that is not what betsy devos has stood for at all. but devos does favor vouchers. she does favor vouchers. what betsy devos has stood for for the last several decades is allowing parents to have choice. not just rich parents who ve had choice for forever but for all parents to have choice and what the democrats on that committee don t seem to understand is all these so-called qualified people that have served at the helm of the department of education have left generations of children in failing schools. they haven t fixed that with these experts. betsy devos is somebody that has a passion for those children and that s what she brings to the table. so you think passion is more important than expertise? i think betsy has a lot of expertise. you thought yesterday she manifested expertise at that hearing? i thought many of the questions that were being asked were designed to trip her up. they weren t designed to assess whether or not she was qualified for this job at all. so you think betsy devos is in the mainstream of there s different kinds of ways of looking at these different nominees. nominees who are trump nominees and nominees who could have been, say, marco rubio nominees and what i hear from you as someone who is an anti-trumper but a die hard republican that betsy devos falls squarely to you within and scott pruitt and tom price, these are all basically your you re good with these as a republican nominee? yeah. i think that betsy falls squarely in that category and has the support of republicans not because she has contributed to those republicans, she knows those republicans and they know her and they know her background and they trust her. well, they know her a little bit because she s contributed to them. you know, the democrats want to make this about contributions and her wealth. betsy devos is on record as saying that she does not believe that christian philanthropy can fund christian education and she is looking for other sources. she is on record saying this. she is on record saying she doesn t believe in public school, she believes in the concept of public education where you take public funding and fund private schools. and everyone knows she did not say she doesn t believe in public schools. that is false. that is false. she is just looking to drain money from the system and we know how this works out. subsidies for people living in poverty do not work in terms of providing them spa i private schools. bottom line. but trapping kids in failing schools works very, very well. she s not even attempting to fix the public schools. she s totally disregarding them and wants to undercut the entire system. that s not true. charter schools are public schools. charter schools are public schools. if that s her position she should be up front about it. let me intervene for a moment. to katie s point, it strikes me there s ways of undoing things statutorily and through administration so you could but republicans could, for instance, get rid of the department of education, they could get rid of the epa, they won t do those things even if they don t believe in the current mission of it. i will say this. do you think there s a standard that people what should the standard be, katie, for you when you think about what is the standard that i would not as a senator vote for someone from my own party? we haven t even touched ben carson who an incredibly accomplished career as a neurosurgeon, i think everyone would agree. beby his own admission knows nothing about housing policy and his own spokesperson said he shouldn t run a federal agency because he doesn t know enough earlier. we re just sort of letting that one go because he s not a lightning rod in the way these ones we re talking about but that also seems to me like i don t know. what do you think of that? well i think the trump administration is in a very, very difficult place with both the liberals on capitol hill and with the media because if they bring in so-called experts that have been doing this for decades he s accused of not draining the swamp. if he brings in outsiders that have different kinds of expertise and a different approach then he s accused of not bringing in people that know what they re doing. i do think there s some disagreement about what the approach to public education should be. the democrats are completely beholding to randy weingarten and the teachers unions and are never going to do anything that challenges that. betsy devos is a threat to them because she s going to challenge that. is that what education is about? a problem with teachers unions? she could not even answer it s certainly part of the problem. the most fundamental questions that faces educators today about growth versus proficiency. let me wrap this up with one little point in terms of behold on the randy weingarten, as someone who s interviewed her a lot, it was tremendous dissatisfaction with arne duncan across the board from teachers unions, an incredible civil war inn the democratic party. i wouldn t say it s lockstep. i m sure it pales to how she feels about betsy devos. on that we agree. katie packer, sam seder, thank you very much. up next, what we know about tom price s stock prides that are raising ethical questions. it s something that came up often in yet another confirmation hearing. did you take additional actions after that date to advance your plan to help the company that you now own stock in. i m offended by the insinuation, senator. well, let me read what you did. you may be offended, but here s what you did. i can stay. i m good. i won t be late hey mom. yeah. no kissing on the first date, alright? life doesn t always stick to a plan, but with our investment expertise we ll help you handle what s next. financial guidance while you re mastering life. from chase. so you can. opioid-induced constipation. prescription opioids helped my chronic knee pain, but left me constipated. finally, i let it out. told my doctor. he said movantik may help me go more often. don t take movantik if you have or had a bowel blockage. serious side effects include opioid withdrawal, severe stomach pain, severe diarrhea, and stomach or intestinal tears. tell your doctor about side effects and medicines you take. movantik may interact with them causing side effects. have your movantik moment. talk to your doctor about opioid-induced constipation. to keep track of at this point so first it was discovered price received a sweetheart deal i m using that term from kaiser s description of it from an australian biotech firm that allowed him and another congressman to buy that company stock at a discounted price. that s the deal senator murray asked him about in the clip we just played. that deal, while perhaps unseemly, does appear at first blush to be legal but a few days after that story broke, time magazine came out with another story about price, this one alleging he invested in six different pharmaceutical companies just weeks before introducing legislation that would have benefitted all six companies. something that looks a lot more like a potential violation of federal law but the biggest story about price, the one that alleged the most direct quid pro quo, or at least implied it, and the one that prompted an immediate response from the campaign was the discovery by cnn that on march 17, 2016, price purchased stock in a medical device company that scribes itself as the world leader in hip and knee replacements. then less than a wee later price introduced legislation called the hip act which would have directly benefitted that same company. if price made that trade with direct knowledge of that, that he was going to introduce that legislation that would almost certainly have been illegal. remember, when price was asked by senator murray about the australian biotech firm he said he chose the stock. but when senator elizabeth warren asked him about the hip replacement company stock, the other deal, stock that would be illegal for him to knowingly purchase he says his broker acted entirely on her own without his knowledge. did you buy the stock and then did you introduce a bill that would be helpful to the company she just bought stock in? the stock was bought by a by a broker who was making those decisions. i wasn t making those decisions. so let s just be clear. this is not just a stockbroker someone you pay to handle the paperwork this is someone who buys stock at your direction. this is someone who buys and sells the stock you want them to buy and sell. not tr not true. so when you found out that s not true, senator. so you decide not to tell them? wink wink nod nod and we re supposed to believe that. senator, do people care if he profited off this? what is your sense of why this should matter? well, i hope people care about this. obviously mr. price is responsible for his investments. these are investments that are personal and he s made several in the industry in which he serves on the committee that can affect the value of those companies. that in and of itself is the appearance of conflict but when we look at the fact that he may have gotten a special deal being able to buy some of the stock, the fact that he bought the stock and introduced legislation that could affect its value, that raises very serious ethical issues and perhaps legal issues. the person who should be secretary of health should not have those types of ethical lapses. i have to say, senator, that part of the old cliche about the scandals what s legal has been illuminating to see what exactly you guys in congress are able to do within the law. for instance, buying preferred stock from a company at a place you regulate but the stock act was introduced to cut out the worst excesses after a big investigation. the trump folks are saying the cnn report is wrong, that it should be retracted and that representative price had no idea that stock was being purchased for that hip company when he was going to introduce legislation that benefitted them a week later do you believe congressman price? you re absolutely right about the stock act. it was passed in order to prevent these types of abuses. i think this should never have been done. a congressman should not be buying stock in a company and introducing legislation that affects its value. a congressman should not be buying stock in a company he s on a committee that could affect its value and the congressman certainly should be sensitive to getting special considerations of buying into a company perhaps at a reduced price. no. there s two issues here. was it legal? that s an issue that i can not answer but certainly this is something that is raises very serious ethical challenges at a minimum and one that raises questions about dr. price. i ask if you would adhere to that same standard for yourself. absolutely. i have divested of any individual stocks because i don t want to be engaged in any second guessing. it s not just conflicts, i don t want to have the appearance of conflicts so yes i m care to feel the type of investments i participate in and try to use generic type funds. so. so there s two allegations here, specific allegations and then what has been established but not contested which is that as congressman with a key role in statutory oversight of the medical industry he was individually picking stocks in that industry at the same time he s voting for or drafting legislation that has a direct affect on the companies in that industry. and that presents a real challenge at a minimum you re going to have appearance of conflicts. you might have direct conflicts. you may have illegal action. it s something a congressman should avoid. senator cardin, thank you for your time tonight. appreciate it. thank you. coming up, senator bernie sanders goes head to head with trump s epa pick. that sight after this short break. trust me, you do not want to miss it. 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[burke] it happened. december 14th, 2015. and we covered it. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we ve seen a thing or two. we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum scientists officially declared 2016 the hottest year which knocks out the previous record of 2015 which knocked out the previous record of 2014 so it s notable that when oklahoma attorney general scott pruitt, climate change denier and trump s choice to head the epa senator bernie sanders tried to pin him down. do you believe that climate change is caused by the emission by carbon emissions by humanactivity? the climate is changing and human activity contributes to that in some manner. in some manner but you haven t told me why you think the climate is changing. senator, the job of the administrator is to carry out the statutes as passed by this body. why is the climate changing? senator? response to the co-2 issue, the epa administrator is constrained by statutes i m asking you a personal opinion. my personal opinion is immaterial. really? senator, i ve acknowledged to you that human activity impacts the climate. impacts. yes. scientific community doesn t tell us it impacts they say it is the cause of climate change, we have to transform our energy system. do you believe we have to transform our energy system in order to protect the planet for future generations? i believe the epa has a very important role in regulating the emissions you didn t answer my question. senator, i believe the administrator has a very important role to perform in regulating co-2. it s kind of amazing. he won t say the thing he believes under oath in front of senators which if he doesn t believe it, he should say, i guess. but the prize for most staggering testimony may go to trump s nominee for secretary of education, and that as senator schatz said went kind of viral. we ll play that for you next. just like the people who own them, every business is different. but every one of those businesses will need legal help as they age and grow. whether it be help starting your business, vendor contracts or employment agreements. legalzoom s network of attorneys can help you every step of the way so you can focus on what you do. we ll handle the legal stuff that comes up along the way. legalzoom. legal help is here. scalpel. i have no idea what i m doing. i m just a tv doctor. i never went to college. 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i think that s a matter best left to the states. so some states might be good to kids with disabilities and other states might not so good and then what? people can just move around the country if they don t like how their kids are being treated? i think that s an issue that s best left to the states. i want to go back to the individuals with disabilities in education act. that s a federal civil rights law so do you stand by your statement a few minutes ago that it should be up to the states whether to follow it? the law must be followed federal law must be followed where federal dollars are in play. so were you unaware what i just asked you about the idea, that it was a federal law? i may have confused it. i do have to say, i m concerned that you seem so unfamiliar with it. joining me now, senator maggie hassan of new hampshire, member of the senate committee on health, education, labor and pensions. senator, what was your impression of what this nominee does and doesn t know about this fairly significant landmark piece of civil rights education. chris, it s nice to be with you tonight. you know, education and access to quality education for all our kids is really the foundation of our democracy. in my family, that includes making sure that both of my children, including making sure both of my children had access to quality education and our now adult son ben happens to have very severe and pervasive physical disabilities. ben doesn t speak, he can t use his fingers to access a keyboard but he s very cognitively able and because of the provisions of th i. i d.ea. the individuals with disabilities education act he had access in our community to learn and graduate from high school. and that s the kind of opportunity we all want for all of our children. and before the i.d.ea. was passed, children like my son were often put in institutions where they didn t have access to education, people assumed or stereotyped them believing they couldn t learn and when you think about the importance of that civil rights law to children like my son and children around the country it was really concerning to me that ms. devos seemed so unfamiliar with it. and problems with the voucher system she has supported has had in honoring the i.d.e.a. what do you say to people that say that senate democrats on that committee are essentially playing gotcha. that you are trying to quiz her and go into obscure areas of policy in order to catch her. there is nothing obscure to my family about the i.d.e.a. there is nothing obscure to most educators i know about the importance of educating all our children what i was trying to get at when i talked with ms. devos at the hearing was my concern about the fact that the voucher programs that she had supported made children with disabilities if they were to receive a voucher like kids without disabilities do it made those kids sign away their rights under the i.d.e.a. so i thought it was very important to get her perspective on why she thought that was okay and whether she would, as secretary of education, the country s top education officer charged with making sure that all of our kids have access to free, appropriate public education so that they can thrive and participate in the 21st century, be the work force we need. i wanted to make sure she was committed to enforcing civil rights laws that protect all children so that they have access to education and i was very concerned that she seemed confused or unfamiliar with the fact the i.d.e.a. is a federal law she would be charged with enforcing and i think it s appropriate that we make sure that the country s top education officer really does understand the full obligations in the way our public education system works. i was very concerned she was so unfamiliar with such a basic thing and that goes to concerns a lot of us have that ms. devos does not have experience significant experience with public education, didn t go to public schools herself, her children don t, she s never been a teacher. so i just was very concerned. senator, are you going to vote for her? look, i m going to wait t get her written answers to all of the questio we ve submitted but i think it s unlikely. senate orr maggie hassan, thank you very much, appreciate it. thank you. still to come, once he is president, could donald trump just stop any further investigation into russia s role in hacking during the election? we ll talk about that ahead. plus, tonight s thing 1 thing 2 starts right after this break. i use what s already inside me to reach my goals. so i liked when my doctor told me that i may reach my blood sugar and a1c goals by activating what s within me with once-weekly trulicity. trulicity is not insulin. it helps activate my body to do what it s supposed to do release its own insulin. trulicity responds when my blood sugar rises. i take it once a week, and it works 24/7. it comes in an easy-to-use pen. and i may even lose a little weight. trulicity is a once-weekly injectable prescription medicine to improve blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes when used with diet and exercise. trulicity is not insulin. it should not be the first medicine to treat diabetes, or for people with type 1 diabetes or diabetic ketoacidosis. do not take trulicity if you or a family member has had medullary thyroid cancer, if you ve had multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if you are allergic to trulicity. stop trulicity and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms such as itching, rash, or trouble breathing; a lump or swelling in your neck; or severe pain in your stomach area. serious side effects may include pancreatitis, which can be fatal. taking trulicity with a sulfonylurea or insulin increases your risk for low blood sugar. common side effects include nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, decreased appetite, and indigestion. some side effects can lead to dehydration, which may make existing kidney problems worse. with trulicity, i click to activate what s within me. if you want help improving your a1c and blood sugar numbers with a non-insulin option, click to activate your within. ask your doctor about once-weekly trulicity. i love paying extra to file my state returns. i want my tax software to charge me at the last second. there is nothing i can do with an extra $50. said no one ever. file your taxes for free with credit karma tax. thing 1 tonight, in march of last year after donald trump s primary victories in mississippi and michigan, he offered up a shameless display of what he claimed were trump products that supposedly included a stack of trump steaks. but trump steaks was a business venture lasting in earnest for just two months in the summer of 2007. the meat on display that night appears to have been purchased from a local florida butcher shop. in fact, it was still bearing the labels from said butcher shop. they were not, in other words, trump steaks, they were stage props. trump used a similar staging tactic last week during his long-awaited press conference when he appeared with a stack of manila folders on the desk next to him claiming they were signed documents making it official he had turned control of his businesses over to his sons but when reportersxamine the folders, transition staffers blocked them. from photos, the folders completely appeared to be brand new and unmarked. his team later told us they were visual aids. today, two days before the inauguration speech trump released a photo that leaves you asking is that real or is it staged? you make the call. thing 2 in 60 seconds. appears he s writing the first draft of his speech with a sharpie. it appears to be a brand new legal pad. is it real or staged? as one twitter user pointed out, that desk looks like the mar-a-lago receptionist desk rather than a personal office. would the president-elect really be writing the speech there? after spending entirely too much time looking at these two images an all in producer noticed the tiling is slightly different so inconclusive. then this image was unearthed and mystery solved. look at the desk next to receptionist. add an eagle statue and it appears trump sat down next to the mar-a-lago receptionist to draft his first speech as president of the united states with a sharpie and a brand spanking new note pad. while we can t tell what s on the page because it s conveniently tilted up, well, it all seems perfectly believable to me. um. something wrong? so when it comes to pain relievers, why put up with just part of a day? you want the whole thing? 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they are very clear. there are rules about not investigating anything in which you were a member of in the previous two years but they re more specific when it relates to political campaigns and they say point blank if you were involved in a political campaign in an official position which jeff sessions was, he was the chair of donald trump s national security advisory committee on the campaign, you cannot be involved in that investigation so that means if jeff sessions is going to follow the rules he has to recuse himself on day one, the day he joins. and he actually has an outstanding question on this matter from democratic senators who have asked him the answer to that and it s going to be telling what his response is and hopefully he provides that before confirmation. what about comey s role in all of this. you have been critical of the way he s conducted himself in terms of the clinton investigation. you felt he was way outside the norms and precedent. do you i guess fundamentally, do you have faith or trust in him that they that this if there is an investigation that they will pursue it doggedly and let the chips fall where they may? you know, i have fifaith in m comey to pursue this information, but why did he do this before the election? now with him under investigation himself by the inspector general, i think it s very difficult for him to lead this investigation. i really think the thing needs to be taken out of the regular chain of command at the justice department. there needs to be a special counsel, a special set of fbi agents that have full authority to investigate this and go wherever the facts lead them. and, you know, not have to worry about is there precedent for that matthew? yeah, there is. there have been special counsels appointed, eric holder appointed several. in fact, general mukasey appointed several at the end of the bush administration. when there are serious political things that are tough for attorneys general to investigate, there s long standing precedent for doing this and the only way you can have a fair unquestioned investigation into this. matthew miller, thank you for being with me tonight. appreciate it. thank you. that s all in for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now. good evening, rachel. good evening, chris, thanks, my friend. you bet. thanks for staying with us
of an at-risk high school. three victims so far. the suspect or suspects still at large. the school there is on lockdown. we ll hand it over to jake tapper with more of this coverage. jake? welcome to the lead. i m jake tapper. you re looking at live pictures from kptv in portland, oregon. we re beginning today with breaking news in our national lead. you re looking right now at live pictures, as i said, about a school shooting in north portland at rosemary anderson high school, where at least three victims have been shot, three people shot according to the fire department. it is unknown if the people shot are dead or alive. portland police say the suspects have fled. they would not say if they were still believed to be armed or if they clashed with police. nearby jefferson high school and portland community college in lockdown, we re told. media have been told to set up at north killingsworth street and kirby avenue. that s the staging area. we ll update more on that story as soon as we know more. but to recap, there has been a school shooting in north portland, oregon, at rosemary anderson high school. as of right now, we know of at least three individuals who were shot. and we are waiting for more information as we learn it. we ll bring to it you as soon as we get it. now let s turn to our money lead. a not-so-happy friday for wall street. stocks tanking today. the dow tumbling 110 points this morning before sliding further and ending the day down about 300 points. cnn money correspondent alison kosik is live at the new york stock exchange. alison, another day, another day of bad news. why do the markets keep falling? reporter: it s all about oil, jake. plunging oil prices taking a toll on investors today yet again. oil falling almost 4%, settling below 58 a barrel. the international energy agency saying global demand for oil is going to fall next year as supply is growing. what s rattling wall street is the question of what s really behind this drop in oil prices? the concern is because economies in europe and asia are slowing down. and you look at the plunge in oil over the past six months. it s happened really fast making investors very nervous. if you drive, you love the lower gas prices. in oklahoma city, you can fill up for $1.89 a gallon. that s just one city across the country that s enjoying these lower gas prices. it s like a tax cut putting an extra $100 a month into your pocket. and that extra money is going towards spending because retail sales numbers for november came in better than expected. but wall street sees the extra spending as a plus but today it s about worries that lower demand for oil is a symptom of slower growth for the rest of the world. jake? alison kosik in new york, thanks. our national lead right now is that monster storm slamming the west coast. the weather responsible for two deaths, both in portland, oregon, a young boy killed when a tree fell on the car in which he was traveling. another tree fell on the tent of a homeless man, killing him. the same system that washed this house into the ocean in washington state is still lashing the west coast. in california, some people ended up trapped inside their own homes. mud slides and houses crushed by big boulders. paul vercammen is live in that neighborhood in camarillo springs. it s a mess there and amazing that anyone survived. reporter: it s astonishing. these houses absolutely swallowed up by all these rocks, tons and tons of rock that is came down over the hill. you see utility workers trying to make sure everything is turned off in terms of the power and the gas. and down the street, we have ten houses around this part of camarillo springs that have been red-tagged. that means they re uninhabitable. they re swallowed up and surrounded by rocks. a harrowing story out of this house here. when the rocks came and surrounded the house, a couple was pinned inside along with their caregiver. and the fire department had to come in and pull them out. we talked to their son and he was so glad to hear that the caregiver and his 86-year-old parents survived this. when you think about what you see over there, these rocks and your parents at the age of 86 going through this, what does that say about them? that s pretty darn amazing. i heard about the rocks but until i looked at the sides of the houses and heard from some of the cameramen that went to the back and saw how expentensi the damage was, it catches you by surprise. reporter: why did this happen? because there was a major fire that roared through here about a year and a half ago. it stripped the vegetation from these hills. and then overnight, the weather service telling us in just three hours, they got an inch and a half to two inches of rain in an already saturated hillside. that s what the mud but mostly rock, as you can see, came roaring down here and engulfed these houses, jake. paul vercammen in camarillo springs, california, thank you so much. another amazing situation, the rescue of two people clinging to trees in the swollen los angeles river. at one point, the rushing water swept a rescuer downstream. luckily everyone survived. the threat of these intense waters bringing more mud slides is the biggest fear in california right now. areas once scorched by wildfires have nothing to hold back the debris. let s bring in mark gillalducci from berkeley, california. what is the main concern right now? how are you getting people out of harm s way from the potential mud slides? the most important factor right now is the ongoing consistent rain. at times, the rain is going to be very heavy. we ve identified those areas that could potentially be impacted by mud flows. we know where the burn scars are from this past summer. we have done mandatory evacuations in all of those areas where they potentially could result in mud flows. that s given us the ability to get folks out of harm s way and get the area closed off to potentially other people who may be impacted by that. up north, flooding was the big problem. you have crews racing to reopen roads and get power restored. we re heading into the weekend where more people could be leaving their homes. how long do you see this clean-up process lasting? well, given the fact that it is still raining and we ll be between two storms. another storm will be coming behind this one in the next day or so. the crews have been out. they were out before the storm hit and being prepared to respond. and they worked all through the storm to keep the drains open and keep the highways clear. but we anticipate it will take a few weeks to be able to get through the clean-up process throughout the state. you had as of now, knock on wood, no deaths reported in california. we ve heard of two in oregon. you say preplanning is responsible for a lot of that, right? well, absolutely. we had really the great opportunity of seeing the storm coming towards us, which gave us the ability to do a lot of outreach to the citizens of california and to our public safety agencies, to our emergency managers throughout the state of california. to get the word out about winterizing your home, what to do when it started to rain hard, how to drive through water. and all of those were great messages that we were able to put forth. and i think it really did play out well for us. we are blessed. at this point we have nod had any reports of fatalities. mark, thank you so much. turning to our world lead, anarchy in the skies today. heathrow airport in london had to divert flight after flight when its computers failed, saddling one of the world s busiest hubs. an hour ago, a spokesman told cnn they have ruled out a cyberattack. and they say it was a hiccup in their state-of-the-art computers. cnn aviation correspondent rene marsh joins us now. even if it wasn t a cyberattack, this does expose just how easily our way of managing airplanes in this computerized world can easily implode. you re absolutely right. it truly is a vulnerable that makes a lot of people uncomfortable. if you re flying through london, one thing is certain today, you can expect delays for hours to come. about 100 flights in and out of heathrow, a major international hub, canceled. and even more delays. and then there s the ripple effect. it s all because of this computer failure, a real-life demonstration of just how a downed computer system can cripple air travel for thousand and thousands of travelers. this is what traffic in the skies over london looks like on a normal day. this is what it looks like today after a major disruption from what officials call a computer failure at a british control center. we ll obviously work to make sure it never happens again. it s a complex system. failures do occur and we plan for those failures and have a plan in place for those failures. reporter: london heathrow airport, one of the busiest airports in the world, at a standstill today. no flights going in or out. we ve been waiting on the plane for an hour. reporter: the airspace closed after the system that helps coordinate flights in the crowded airspace went down. many planes, diverted. an hour and 20 minutes later, the problem at the air traffic control center was fixed. but the damage had been done. the ripple effect felt at airports across the uk. heathrow saying the flight disruptions could continue to saturday. delays also in paris. u.s. carriers also experiencing some delays. the question now, what caused the system failure? british officials have ruled out a hack and aviation security analysts agree. there s been a lot of attempts. but there have not been any through the firewall to take control of any kind of control in any way. so unless this is a first time, i don t think that s what happened here. reporter: there are back-up systems, but as we saw in chicago this september, when wires were cut and a fire ignited inside an faa facility disrupting thousands of flights for days, those redundancies, may not be enough to prevent disrupted travel on a major scale. the majority of problems we are seeing are with international carriers like british airways and some of the other british carriers. we know the u.s. carriers, some of them, experiencing just a handful of delays. what you really want to do is make sure you call your carrier if you re headed in that direction to make sure you won t be impacted. more evidence of the vulnerability in this new computer age of what can happen because of a glitch. exactly. one glitch and so many people, their flight plans disrupted. rene marsh, thank you so much. let s go back to the breaking news out of portland, oregon. we are looking right now at some live pictures from kptv of rosemary anderson high school where there s been a school shooting. let s go over what we know so far. at least three victims, all students, have been shot. police say the students were transported from the scene, they were conscious and breathing when they left the scene and they ve been taken to nearby emmanuel medical center, we re told. portland, oregon, police say the suspect or suspects have fled. police would not say if the individuals, the suspects, were still armed or if they clashed with police. we re also told nearby jefferson high school and portland community college in portland, oregon, are on lockdown. rosemary anderson high school is an alternative high school that opened in 1983. it has just under 200 students. let s go now to rich tyler on the phone with the portland fire department. rich, are you there? are you still looking for the shooter? yes. portland police is looking for the shooter. we as a fire department provided the emergency medical services to the students that were transported. what can you tell us about the students? three students, all wounded. what kinds of wounds were they, how serious? i do not know the extent of the wounds. all i know is they were all three shot and transported to emmanuel hospital. we re just learning about this. can you tell us what time it happened? approximately 30 minutes ago. just about 30 minutes ago you got the call and you went there. and do you have any idea how serious the wounds are? we heard one report that somebody was shot in the back. are they considered to be life-threatening injuries? do you have any idea? at this point, we re treating all of them as life-threatening injuries. the physicians there at emmanuel hospital will do an excellent job of taking care of them to the best of their ability. portland police is on scene, not only investigating the shooting here but also out looking for the shooter. it s about 1:15 portland time. you re saying it happened about half an hour ago, so about 12:45. were the students outside the school or inside the school? do you know? they were inside the school. and what other details can you tell us? is the shooter or shooters thought to be students? is it more than one shooter? we don t know that at this time. and what kind of capability do you have there at the scene right now? how many fire trucks are there? how many police cars are there? i don t know exactly how many. we pulled a full multi-patient incident for the fire department. and the police bureau brought everybody in, including their task force to help assist. what message do you have for the parents who are learning about this right now? i would imagine if it only happened about half an hour ago, is there a staging area for parents to meet up with their students? are the students inside the school in lockdown? yes. the students inside the school are in lockdown. we re asking all parents who are coming to pick up their students to come to north kirby and north killingsworth court. there we have police officers who will help reunify the parents with the students. we re told by the portland police this is not an active shooter situation. police are beginning to investigate the incident. translate that for us. that means that the shooter is not inside the school itself or thought to be near the school but he or she is still at large, i believe, correct? correct. but no longer actively shooting anyone. they have left the scene and are no longer here at the school. we re told that nearby jefferson high school and portland community college are also in lockdown. are there any other businesses or schools that are in lockdown? is that just because they re close by? correct. yeah, that s standard protocol to lock those down. keep those students safe as we as the portland police looks for the shooter or shooters. what can you tell us about rosemary anderson high school? we re told it s an alternative high school, has fewer than 200 students. that s about the extent of what i know. it s a high school that started here a few years back and has a small student population. this is an area of north portland, is that right? that s correct. what can you tell us about north portland? is this an area that has a lot of shootings in the neighborhood? is it an area that is high crime or is this obviously school shootings are horrific whenever they happen. but is this unusual for there to be a shooting in this neighborhood? it s unusual to have a shooting at a school anywhere. unfortunately it s becoming more and more usual these days, it seems. lieutenant tyler, i do appreciate your time. hopefully we can come back to you and get more information about this school shooting. we re all thinking about the three students who were wounded in this attack. thank you so much, lieutenant rich tyler. no problem. in our world lead, he is one of the few people connected to the cia torture scandal who is in prison right now. the operative who claims to have blown the whistle on the whole program. what does he think about the shocking details in the new senate torture report? we ll go to that prison interview next. 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ask your doctor about farxiga and visit our website to learn how you may be able to get every month free. welcome back to the lead. we continue to follow breaking news in our national lead. you re looking at pictures of rosemary anderson high school in north portland, oregon. police say there s been a school shooting. let s go over what we know so far. there are at least three victims, all students. they have been shot. police say they were shot we just heard from portland fire department which said that the students were shot inside the school. police say the three were transported from the scene, conscious and breathing and taken to nearby emmanuel medical center. portland police say it is not an active shooter situation, meaning the shooter is not on the scene or inside the school. but the suspect or suspects have fled, according to police. police will not say if the individuals or individual was still armed or if that person clashed with police. rosemary anderson high school has been it s a place where there are under 200 students. it s an alternative school. it has been declared safe. police have nearby jefferson high school and portland community college in lockdown because they are close by. that is standard operating procedure, we re told, from a member of portland, oregon s emergency management services. let s go to cnn justice reporter, evan perez, who has new details about this school shooting. evan, what can you tell us? as often happens in these situations, there s a lot of conflicting information early on in this case, as well. the police are indicating that they believe the shooting actually happened outside of the school. i know you just said, i think the fire department said they transported three people from the scene. and they believe that the shooting they were shot inside the school. we ll have to wait a little while for these details to be clarified by the police. we know that the suspect the person who was believed to carry out the shooting has fled the scene and the police are now preparing to provide a little more detail on who they re looking for. we know that they have now alerted the federal authorities who are now heading to the scene. i ve talked to people who say the atf is heading to the scene and i expect that the fbi is as well because as they that tends to happen in these cases. the feds come in to try to provide any assistance that the local police may need, including trying to figure out where the gun might have come from from the suspect, the suspect used in this shooting. right now, we know that there were three victims and we know that the suspect is no longer there. so we expect that the police are going to provide an update in a little while. there s not a lot more that we know from how this went down. it s one of those situations where it always triggers a lot of response from federal and local authorities. the feds come in typically to try to do gun trace, to try to see if they can help, perhaps get some of the background on who the shooter was, if there was any information in their computers or in any of their background that indicated why this might have happened. again, it s still very early. and we don t know exactly what precipitated, what caused this shooting, whether or not there was a disagreement or whether it was something that was premeditated. that s right. always a good reminder that information coming in so soon after an incident like this can often be conflicting. we re tole the incident happened roughly 12:45 portland time, 3:45 eastern time. all three students were wounded but were conscious and breathing. the fire department spokesman said they were treating the injuries as if they were life-threatening, not that they are. but they are treating them with urgency. evan perez, thank you for that. we re going to come back to you as you learn more information. i have on the phone now, parker bouldin, who lives in the neighbor. parker, you were on the scene just after the shooting, i m told. tell us what you saw. well, i heard a siren. i was in the apartment complex right on the corner. and i heard a siren. then i heard a couple more. they all seemed to be coming our direction. so i walked outside and there was a very small gathering of people just a few cops at the time that i got there. and they were starting to take the victims out on stretchers. and you were in your apartment building when you were watching this? no. i was on the street right outside of the school that it happened at. and can you tell us anything in terms of the urgency with which these students were being taken onto the ambulance and rushed off? i just ask because it might say something about the seriousness of the wounds. it was very quickly. they were out of the school, they were on stretchers. they actually came by where i was standing next to a couple of people who knew the victim. and he was responsive, talking back to them. he seemed sort of i don t know, he wasn t going in and out of consciousness but he was not very in clear mind, you know. he was definitely in a bad situation. and they were quickly put on and taken to emmanuel hospital right around the corner. that s what we were told. did you see all three shooting victims or one of them. i did. i saw all three of them. were they three males, do you know? two males they were from what i could i saw two males. i didn t see the other victim very clearly. i saw two males who had bandages, around the midsection. you describe one of the victims as having been talking, which is great news. what about the other two? were they speaking at all, could you tell? the other one that i saw clearly, his eyes were open. he was definitely alert. he wasn t talking to anybody. nobody was really shouting at him like the other victim. and he was alert but i just saw it for a short amount of time. is there anything you can tell us about anything anyone may have said about why this happened or anything about the shooter or shooters? i didn t hear anything about the shooter or the shooters. it is sort of the conversation on the scene that there s a lot of gang activity in that area, specifically in that school because it s an alternative school. this stuff doesn t happen all the time, but that there s definitely murmurs of gang violence. what do you mean by it s an alternative school? we ve heard that description of rosemary anderson high school. what do you mean by that? just from what i overheard, i didn t know much about the school. i don t want to say it because it might sound offensive. it was an alternative school for people who maybe have some troubles or difficulties with their upbringing. fair enough. we re told also that jefferson high school and portland community college which are nearby are also in lockdown, rosemary anderson high school no longer in lockdown, although it was at one point. how far away are jefferson high school and portland community college? jefferson high school is right behind kirby is the street that that school is on. and jefferson high school is right behind that. and then in the other direction, northeast is p.c.c. and it s just a block away. both of them are about a block away. parker boulden, appreciate your sharing with us what you saw just minutes after this shooting took place. thank you so much. appreciate it. on the phone right now, we have andrew theen, a reporter with the oregonian, which is the daily newspaper in the city of portland. thank you for joining us. what can you tell us? we know just some very basic preliminary information. anything you could tell us would be great. sure. i think you probably know as much as we do at this point, jake. when my colleague and i arrived on scene about 12:35 or so, 20 minutes after the shooting, i spoke with a neighbor, tamara king, who lives on the other side of north albina to the west of the school. she reported hearing five shots in rapid succession and saw kids running in the street, including some kids diving under a car near north killingsworth court and albina, which is right next to this storefront school. she was one of the folks who called 911 and that s as much as i can tell you from witnesses that i ve spoken to. i was just listening to the police spokesman as he gave updates to the media here. your information is that the shooting took place at about 12:15 portland time on the west coast a little before that, yeah. what can you tell us about rosemary anderson high school? the previous caller, guest, witness not a witness to the shooting but witness to after the shooting was saying that people on the street were talking about how there is gang activity in this area. is that accurate? well, that s something that tamara king, the neighbor i spoke to, mentioned as well, that she wasn t surprised that this happened in the neighborhood. she s lived here since 2007. i want to say last summer, there was a shooting on albina as well, north of here a little bit at a bus stop. and police are saying that initial reports are they believe the shooter was gang affiliated. they stressed they can t say that for the victims. so we re just kind of waiting until we know a little bit more about who these two young boys and one girl who were injured in the shooting. but that s really all i can say at this point. i think it s a misperception among people when they hear about gang shootings. they think the victims of gang shootings are fellow members and that s absolutely not the case. many times the victims of gang shootings are completely innocent people in the wrong place at the wrong time or individuals who were certainly doing nothing to merit a shooting. the police said that the three individuals were shot and then when they left the school, all were conscious and breathing. the fire department spokesman with whom we spoke said they were treating their injuries as if they were life-threatening but that didn t necessarily mean that s what they were. what s your understanding? the police spokesman, sergeant pete simpson, said they were all conscious and breathing. anytime you have a gunshot vick and you can say that, that s a good thing. i was listening to the witness say this area is close to portland community college and jefferson high school. it s also relatively close to legacy emmanuel hospital, which is a trauma hospital. so that s a good thing in terms of proximity. but beyond that, i can t really say because we don t really know. andrew theen, hold on one second. i want to bring in evan perez, our justice correspondent, who has some new information. evan, what can you tell us? we just got an update from the portland police. they clarify that the shooting occurred outside of the school, that the three victims, the three shooting victims, actually went to the school after they were shot. they say they ve not identified the victims but they say they were two males and one female and that they ran to the high school after the shooting. the shooter fled the scene. so now we have a manhunt looking for this shooter to try to figure out what happened here, jake. so the latest from the police is that the shooting occurred outside of the school nearby and that the two males and one female who were shot ran to the school after they were shot, jake. that would explain why the fire department thought that the shooting might have been inside the school. right, and why they were transported from there. right. andrew theen, what can you tell us about north portland, the area in which this school is and if you know anything more about rosemary anderson high school, we re told is an alternative school of fewer than 200 students. what can you tell us about that? well, i can t tell you too much about the school itself. i wasn t familiar with the school. i m familiar with the area. it s inner north portland. it s a gentrifying part of town, i guess you could say. as many larger urban areas of the u.s. like i said, portland community college is right here. they have one of their branches, jefferson high school, one of the portland public schools, is within spitting distance. it s an active area of town. there s coffeeshops, there are restaurants. people are out and about trying to see what s going on. it s close to interstate 5. andrew, i would think that it s not an active shooter situation because the shooter s not there. but there is somebody on the loose, at least one individual who shot three young people, three teenagers, two boys and a girl. how big is the police presence when it comes to the manhunt? did sergeant pete simpson of the portland police department shed any light on how intense this search is right now? he didn t. and i can t really speak to that. i m not aware of any other details as far as a manhunt. but i can tell you that people are do not look concerned for their safety in the immediate area where i am. people are going about their day. if the shooting, just to recap for individuals who may just be tuning in right now. shortly before 12:15 portland, oregon, time, there s 3:15 east coast time, there was a shooting at a school at rosemary anderson high school outside the school. three individuals, two boys and a girl, were shot. they were wounded. they left the scene, according to portland police, conscious and breathing, we re told anecdotally from some witnesses that at least one of them was still talking and the police told andrew theen with the portland oregonian that anytime after a shooting you have people talking, that is obviously a good sign. those individuals were rushed to the hospital, nearby emmanuel medical center, which has a trauma unit, which is very, very close. we are monitoring the situation. there is not an active shooting situation because the shooter is no longer inside or outside the school. but the individual or individuals are still wanted and on the loose. portland police are trying to find out who he or she or they are. we re going to take a very quick break. when we come back, we ll have more news about this shooting at rosemary anderson high school in portland, oregon. don t settle for 4g lte coverage that s smaller or less reliable when only one network is america s largest and most reliable 4g lte network: verizon. with xlte, our 4g lte bandwidth has doubled in over 400 cities. and now, save without settling. get 2 lines with 10gb of data for just $110. .or 4 lines for just $140. and get a $150 bill credit for each smartphone you switch. only on verizon. this is the first power plant in the country to combine solar and natural gas at the same location. during the day, we generate as much electricity as we can using solar. at night and when it s cloudy, we use more natural gas. this ensures we can produce clean electricity whenever our customers need it. welcome back to the lead. we re continuing to follow breaking news in our national lead. a shooter or shooters are on the loose after wounding three students outside rosemary anderson high school in north portland, oregon. let s go back and reset what we know so far. there are at least three victims, all of them students, teenagers. they have been shot. a witness tells us he saw two males and a female being loaded into ambulances. police say the victims were transported from the scene. they were conscious and breathing, at least one of them speaking, according to a witness with whom we spoke. they were taken to nearby emmanuel medical center which does have a trauma unit. the fire department told us they are treating these injuries as if they are life-threatening, although that doesn t necessarily mean that they are life-threatening. the hospital isn t indicating what condition the students are in. as i said, the fire department saying they are being treated as if the injuries are life-threatening. police telling us that rosemary anderson high school is no longer an active shooter situation, meaning the shooter isn t on the premises or nearby. but we are told the portland police department is engaging in a manhunt or menhunt for the shooter. that s under way. we re told this began shortly after 12:15 or so, portland, oregon, time. there s 3:15 east coast time, obviously. and that it began outside the school, although after they were shot, the students went inside the school. pamela brown is in new york with more information. pamela, what can you tell us? reporter: we re learning at this hour as we speak that atf agents are en route to the scene right now. what they re going to be doing is running ballistics, try to recover the weapon that was used in this shooting and then trace that weapon, find out where it came from. so atf agents are en route. we typically know in these situations, that fbi agents are usually deployed as well to help with the local authorities. as we still try to learn exactly who is behind this shooting and all of the details, what we can tell you is that the fbi did a recent active shooter study because there have been so many of these types of incidents, especially in the past few years. what we learned from that study, jake, is that all but six of the 160 shootings involved male shooters and only two of those, only two of the 160 involved more than one shooter. so oftentimes in these situations, we see a male acting alone, someone who is disillusioned in some way. once they figure out who is behind this like you point out earlier, it could be more than one person but more than likely it is just one person. they re going to look at indicators, locker room through their social media and try to figure out what s behind this. three victims taken to the hospital right now and this is a very serious situation. of course, caused a lot of panic among the parents there when initially it was reported there was a school shooting, a shooting on the premises. that was the initial understanding. we learn now that this happened just off the school campus. it happened about an hour and a half ago outside rosemary anderson high school, two boys and a girl, teenagers shot, wounded, taken from the scene we re going to go right now, pamela, stay with us. i want to go to evan perez, our justice correspondent, who has a little bit more information about the shooting. evan, what are you being told? this is partly adding a little bit more context to what pamela was saying as well. this feels a little different from a lot of these other shootings that we ve seen in schools, again, this one happened outside of it. for that reason, i m being told by authorities that it just seems perhaps a little bit different. typically in most of these shootings that we ve seen, by the time the police get there, the shooter has already shot himself or the situation is over. in this case, this person tried to get away or has gotten away. so in some ways, thfls seems like according to the authorities looking at this, it s more of a criminal situation. it s very early in the process, very early in this case to know exactly happened, especially since they re still looking for the suspect. but it does feel like it s a little bit different. as pamela pointed out, looking at all the history of all these shootings, you typically see a certain pattern. and this one just falls out of that pattern. we re told, by the way, if there are any parents of students at rosemary anderson high school, locatil police are saying the staging for parent reunification for the students, the school is no longer in lockdown. the parent reunification area is being held at killingsworth court and kirby, near the jefferson high school football field, jefferson high school, along with portland community college, we re told, were still in lockdown, which is standard operating procedure, police protocol, after a school shooting situation. pamela brown, in a situation like this, obviously the federal government trying to do whatever it can to help. but as evan noted, usually in these situations, the school shooter, at least in the ones that we ve covered in the last couple of years, the school shooter has been shot by police or has taken his own life. in this situation, we have a manhunt under way. i imagine that it s something that federal law enforcement could be helping with as well. absolutely. like we mentioned earlier, atf agents are on their way to help out. we presume the fbi is on its way to help out and provide the assistance. but i want to point out what i think is key here. they re saying this is not an active shooter situation and that the perimeter is secure. so i think that does provide us some clues that it appears that at least that area where the school is is secure. and if there s a gunman on the loose, then i would be surprised if they would say this is not an active shooter situation. so, again, we re still trying to learn more details, whether this shooter or shooters are even still alive. as we ve seen in so many other school shootings, just the one recently in washington state, we ve seen that the gunman dies from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. and that really is there s a pattern to these school shootings. unfortunately they happen far too often. and a lot of times it s a male acting alone. again, we re waiting to learn more details on this. but that s what studies have shown, as i pointed out earlier, the fbi study. all but six of 160 incidents over the past several years involved male shooters and only two involved more than one shooter. just to put it in perspective as we await more details on the specifics of this particular shooting, jake. in fact, we are waiting for the portland police to give an update on the information about the suspect in this school shooting in north portland, oregon. evan perez, you have new information? we know that the fbi has now arrived at the scene. they re still calling this a local investigation as they typically do. obviously they want to give the local police a chance to figure out what exactly happened here before they get involved, if there s anything that needs to be done from a federal standpoint. we know they say they re still looking for a shooter and they haven t provided any update as to who they re looking for or what that suspect description is. but the fbi is there to provide any assistance. atf is already there, as we mentioned already. typically, they re just there to lend assistance to the local authorities as they are trying to figure out exactly what happened here. again, this happened outside of the school. so it s a little different from some of the other shootings that we ve seen, which typically have been inside. you typically don t see a suspect try to make a getaway as the police have reported here. evan perez and pamela brown, stick around. when we come back, we ll have more information about this school shooting in portland, oregon. 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