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Yasmin Vossoughian Reports

>> from what we, know might he flip? >> you know there's always a chance does he want to go down with donald trump because if you read the indictment richard there are some blockbuster evidence in there for example when trump employee number for the i.t. director mar-a-lago said that codefendant came to me and said the boss wants the server to leave it that is blockbuster incriminating evidence of a cover-up. the other things people should know is the rules of coconspirator statement say that statement when introduced into evidence will be used to incriminate the oliveira but any statement by any coconspirator is admissible against any other coconspirator even though de oliveira is the one that made that statement it can be used to incriminate the boss who is donald trump.

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Symone

superseding indictment released on thursday. another loss in court for the former president today as his defamation lawsuit against cnn for using the big lie to refer to his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election was dismissed. oh judge did not agree that the phrase, quote, was tantamount to comparing him to adolf hitler. for more on trump's legal troubles, i'm joined by two of our msnbc legal analyst, former federal prosecutor carole lamb and former brooklyn new york prosecutor charles coleman, who is also host of the charles coleman paul cast. what should we expect one carlos to oliveira, the resort manager, -- to delete security video appears in court for the first time tomorrow. that is if he actually can secure local council. >> yes, charles. good afternoon, so what can we

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Anderson Cooper 360

concealment of the documents. it is absolute, a complete disgrace that the republicans aren't saying, enough, this is enough. and i guess -- i don't think they ever will. >> george conway, thanks very much. i want to bring in our senior legal analyst, elie honig, author of "untouchable: how powerful people get away with it." obviously the special counsel would like these two codefendants to cooperate. would they still be able to get to work out some sort of a deal -- if oliveira suddenly woke up and realized the trouble he's in, could he get a deal? >> absolutely, yes. people can cooperate at any time. from a prosecutor's point of view, the earlier the better. i've seen people cooperate not even on the eve of trial, but during trial. >> there was this 24-minute phone call between the former president and the guy who worked at mar-a-lago. >> right. >> in advance of him going down and trying to erase these tapes.

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Anderson Cooper 360

>> i think that it's -- anybody that gets involved with donald trump, he's a train wreck. and anybody that gets involved with donald trump ends up somewhere in a bad place. i don't think that guy had any knowledge of what he was doing, none. and, you know, he's caught in the net. now he's got to walk himself out of it. >> what about oliveira's lawyer? >> we reached out to -- cnn reached out to his lawyer, john irving. he's a d.c.-based lawyer. we did not hear back. but we did confirm that irving's law firm was paid nearly $200,000 by trump's super pac, save america. that was in 2022. now, we also know that carlos de oliveira will need a florida-based attorney in order to make his first court appearance on monday in miami. >> randi, appreciate it. perspective from intelligence

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Anderson Cooper 360

probably nominate a lifelong criminal as their standard bearer, as the presidential candidate for 2024. and they have no compunction about it. they'll say absolutely anything. they'll make any false analogy. they'll make any false comparison of comparing trump to people who actually didn't intentionally conceal documents and didn't have people try to destroy evidence about their concealment of the documents. it is absolute, a complete disgrace that the republicans aren't saying, enough, this is enough. and i guess -- i don't think they ever will. >> george conway, thanks very much. i want to bring in our senior legal analyst, elie honig, author of "untouchable: how powerful people get away with it." obviously the special counsel would like these two codefendants to cooperate. would they still be able to get to work out some sort of a deal -- if oliveira suddenly woke up and realized the trouble

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Anderson Cooper 360

nobody came to the door. we did speak to his landlord by phone. the landlord described him as a good friend and a good guy. he said if he does know anything, he does need to come clean. the landlord didn't want to come on camera, but we spoke to a neighbor who lives across the way. he's known him a few years, not very well but on and off, and i asked him what he thinks of his neighbor being indicted, and this is what he told me. >> i think that it's -- anybody that gets involved with donald trump, he's a train wreck. and anybody that gets involved with donald trump ends up somewhere in a bad place. i don't think that guy had any knowledge of what he was doing, none. and, you know, he's caught in the net. now he's got to walk himself out of it. >> what about oliveira's lawyer? >> we reached out to -- cnn reached out to his lawyer, john irving. he's a d.c.-based lawyer. we did not hear back. but we did confirm that irving's law firm was paid nearly

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The Saturday Show with Jonathan Capehart

question that is really existential for the republicans and for our democracy. >> right, and don, i would love your thoughts also, but you know, the indictment reads almost like a scene from a monster movie, with a oliveira telling another employee that voss wanted the server deleted. i mean, is there a pattern of trump using others to carry out his requests? >> well, jonathan. the conspiracy grows. i mean, we've seen donald trump over the decades manipulating people and things in order to get what he wants, and here we have it in full view. i agree with david. i don't think this is very complicated for a jury to understand. rest of us who watch crimehe stories all the time on television, that you know, donald trump wanted things done. he found the people around him

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Velshi

an attempt to delete security footage that has been subpoenaed, that had been subpoenaed by the federal government. it's a surprising turn of events, considering many people, including trump's legal team, we're expecting an indictment in the 2020 election interference case this week. the one for which trump recently received a target letter. but the developments this week underscored the complex and highly perilous legal situation in which the former president finds himself. it also confirms reports that the special counsel's team isn't quite done investigating or issuing charges in the mar-a-lago documents case. the superseding indictment includes more incriminating details, which makes it clear that prosecutors believe donald trump was directly involved in an attempt to obstruct justice and prevent federal agents from retrieving government records and highly sensitive documents, which he had no right to keep. one passage highlights the oliveira temps to get -- a mar-a-lago director of information technology, who's been that the fight now as trump employee for in the

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American Voices With Alicia Menendez

defendant in mar-a-lago. the mar-a-lago property owner manager, rather. carlos de oliveira. talk about what his indictment signals and what here sense if prosecutors see an opportunity to get the oliveira to testify against trump? >> these are all self inflicted wounds to all three of the defendants quite frankly. it is their clear there are other witnesses named in the indictment. the assumption would be that those individuals are cooperating whether they're doing so willingly or just to avoid being the subject of an indictment. it's not a fun thing to be. in the meantime, throughout the process, you know into the day of the trial, any one of these witnesses could start to cooperate. could turn evidence against donald trump and be a cooperating witness. i imagine obviously to indict

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Anderson Cooper 360

him saying all these things were declassified, he himself in that audio recording points out this was a classified document, and he doesn't have the power to declassify it. so he himself stepped on his own lies which were the initial response to these charges and to the search warrant. the -- you mentioned oliveira, who told another trump employee that, quote, the boss wanted the server deleted and attempted to do that. how problematic do you think that is for the former president? >> well, i think it's very problematic, that you have yet another person implicated, someone who apparently had a direct conversation with the president and then relates that conversation to a third person. who sounds like they are cooperating with the authorities. so it's i think very damning. what i also found striking, anderson, was this conversation where the president wants to

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