welcome to newsday, reporting live from singapore, i m arunoday mukharji. let s get you the headlines. ajury has found hunter biden guilty of all three felony gun charges in the first criminal trial of a child of a sitting us president. hamas responds to the latest peace proposal for gaza, saying its ready to engage but still wants israel to commit to a permanent ceasefire and completely withdraw its forces. india confirms two of its nationals have been killed while fighting illegally for the russian forces in ukraine. welcome to bbc news broadcasting to viewers in the uk and around the world. we begin in the united states where the president s son, hunter biden, has been found guilty of lying about his drug use to illegally buy a gun. the jury in the trial in delaware convicted him on all three counts. he could face a maximum of 25 years in jail. our north america editor sarah smith has been following the story and has more. handin hand in hand with his step mother, the first lady, as well as his life, hunter biden left court a convicted felon. this trial, peppered with lurid details about his private life and previous addiction to crack cocaine, has clearly put great stress on the whole family. presidentjoe biden appeared at a gun safety rally, saying he loved hunter and is proud of the man he is today. he travelled to delaware to be with his son. prosecutors admitted that hunter biden committed a crime by lying on a form to buy a gun. that was discovered in his car by his then partner haillie biden, also his sister in law, the widow of his brother beau. prosecutors showed video of her trying to dispose of the weapon in a dumpster. she told the court she realised it was a stupid idea. court she realised it was a stu - id idea. . stupid idea. hunter biden had already described stupid idea. hunter biden had already described his - stupid idea. hunter biden had already described his drug - already described his drug addiction in a book. excerpts read by the author himself was played in court. it read by the author himself was played in court- played in court. it became smokeing played in court. it became smokeing every played in court. it became smokeing every two - played in court. it became smokeing every two days. i played in court. it became - smokeing every two days. his defence argued that hunter biden wasn t using drugs around the time he bought the gun, but the time he bought the gun, but thejury the time he bought the gun, but the jury rejected that. donald trump insists he was only convicted because president biden is using the legal system to persecute his political opponent, claims undermined by the guilty verdict against the president s own son. the justice department say they care only about the law, not politics. care only about the law, not olitics. ., ., , politics. no-one in this country politics. no-one in this country is politics. no-one in this country is above - politics. no-one in this country is above the i politics. no-one in this l country is above the law. everyone must be accountable for their actions. everyone must be accountable fortheiractions. even everyone must be accountable for their actions. even this defendant. however, hunter biden should be no more accountable than any other citizen convicted of this same conduct. , conduct. hunter biden s wilful refusal to conduct. hunter biden s wilful refusal to comply. conduct. hunter biden s wilful refusal to comply. he - conduct. hunter biden s wilful refusalto comply. he has i refusal to comply. he has been investigated by republicans in congress, who accuse him of peddling influence while his father was vice president. no charges have resulted from, that and attempts to impeachjoe biden in connection with his son s business dealings have come to nothing. to developments in the middle east and hamas has responded to the american led proposals for a ceasefire and hostage release deal in gaza, saying they view the plan favourably. in a statement, they said they were ready to move towards a deal but they insisted that any ceasefire must be permanent. israel has been reluctant to end the war, while hamas retains its ability to carry out further attacks. the us says it s considering their response. our correspondent hugo bachega is injerusalem and gave us his assessment of events. hamas has expressed readiness to reach a deal, but it s sticking to its initial demands, they include a guarantee there will be a permanent ceasefire in gaza, and also the complete withdrawal of israeli forces from the territory. now, qatar and egypt, which have been mediating the talks, say they have received this response from hamas, and they will be co ordinate the next they will co ordinate the next steps with the negotiations with the united states. the deal being discussed is a 3 stage plan that was announced by president biden, he described it as an israeli proposal. the first stage of this plan would see the release of hostages being held in gaza, and then pave the way for a permanent ceasefire. now, hamas wants a guarantee of a permanent ceasefire because they feel once the hostages are out, the israeli military may continue to gaza to continue with its military operation against the group. now, the israeli prime minister binyamin netanyahu had previously said that israel would not commit to an end of the war without achieving its goals of destroying hamas s military and governing capabilities in gaza. for more, we can speak to ian parmeter in canberra. he is the former australian ambassador to lebanon and currently a research scholar at the centre for arab and islamic studies at the australian national university. thank you very much, ambassador, for being with us here on news day. just want to begin by asking hamas has responded, demanding a complete halt to fighting. how realistic is the prospect of a full withdrawal of israeli troops and could that delay the deal going through? i and could that delay the deal going through? and could that delay the deal going through? i think it will. it s very unfortunate - going through? i think it will. it s very unfortunate that - it s very unfortunate that hamas s response has been as well, keeping to the hard line they insist on a full agreement to cease the the full ceasefire, permanent ceasefire, before they will agree to it. so, there s still a lot of diplomacy to be got through. the americans will be putting a lot of pressure on egypt to get a more definite response to at least the first phase, which is the six week temporary ceasefire from hamas. but as well the americans would be putting a lot of pressure on the netanyahu government to give its agreement and we don t have that full agreement as yet. the americans say the israeli government has agreed but binyamin netanyahu has said the operation will continue until until hamas is destroyed. so, we have two irreconcile able objectives here. hamas is determined to remain standing at the end of the conflict, and israel is determined that it will be the conflict won t end until hamas is removed. and that has been the problem right from the start. i been the problem right from the start. ., ., , ., start. i want to understand the ressure start. i want to understand the pressure the start. i want to understand the pressure the us start. i want to understand the pressure the us can start. i want to understand the pressure the us can put, - start. i want to understand the pressure the us can put, to . pressure the us can put, to what extent they can exert that pressure. the deal is very important to washington. how muscular do you think they ll be in getting this across the line? i be in getting this across the line? ~ ~ . ., , line? i think the americans will be putting line? i think the americans will be putting a line? i think the americans will be putting a lot - line? i think the americans will be putting a lot of - will be putting a lot of pressure on israel to fully agree to at least the first phase of the ceasefire. the temporary six week ceasefire. this is very important to president biden because the gaza war is actually pulling the democratic party apart. and one of the consequences of the war, the fact that arab americans who normally vote democrat and progressive democrats are very opposed to biden s support for israel and to the huge number of casualties that the war has caused. and they may well not vote in november, which of course will hand the election to trump by default. so, it s very important to biden that the warfinish as very important to biden that the war finish as soon as possible and that as much possible and that as much possible get out of the american people s system. very briefl , american people s system. very briefly, ambassador, american people s system. very briefly, ambassador, there are domestic political compulsions for israel. benny gantz is out of the war cabinet, there are fears that netanyahu will have to listen to the far right. does that complicate matters? it certainly does. benny gantz was a moderating influence within the war cabinet. now he s gone, very hard line ministerfor national he s gone, very hard line minister for national security, ben gvir, will take his place in the war cabinet. that will mean it will be a less balanced management of the war and ben gvir has said that he and his coalition partner will withdraw their parties from the coalition, the governing coalition, the governing coalition, if the war stops, if there s even a temporary ceasefire. so netanyahu is in an extremely difficult situation, particularly given there is now so much pressure from the families of the hostages, following the release of another four hostages over the weekend. of another four hostages over the weekend. right. all right. ambassador, the weekend. right. all right. ambassador, thank the weekend. right. all right. ambassador, thank you - the weekend. right. all right. ambassador, thank you very i ambassador, thank you very much, a pleasure having you on the show. in the uk, the conservatives have put tax cuts at the heart of their manifesto, as they launched their programme for government if they return to power after the election. among the policies announced was a cut in national insurance, scrapping the main rate of national insurance for the self employed and they pledged a new help to buy scheme for potential homeowners. our political editor chris mason was at the manifesto launch and sent us this report. halfway through this election race, it s the moment for the cardboard boxes, within them, those bundles of promises, not always kept, that set out a party s blueprint for the next five years. so, the manifesto is here, so is the cabinet. ..then the prime minister. applause music, applause, an ovation from party supporters, yes, but also a candid acknowledgment from rishi sunak about how you may feel about him and the conservatives. may feel about him and the conservatives. i m not blind to the fact that conservatives. i m not blind to the fact that people conservatives. i m not blind to the fact that people are - the fact that people are frustrated with our party and frustrated with our party and frustrated with our party and frustrated with me. things have not always been easy. and we have not got everything right. but we are the only party in this election with the big ideas to make our country a better place to live. applause applause a central theme of this manifesto is tax cuts including a promise of another 2p cut in employee national insurance. br; 2p cut in employee national insurance. insurance. by 2027, we will have halved insurance. by 2027, we will have halved national- insurance. by 2027, we will. have halved national insurance to 6%, that s a tax cut, my friends, worth £1,300 to the average worker. average worker. rishi sunak - raised average worker. rishi sunak praised the average worker. rishi sunak praised the enterprise - 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for the first time i buyers purchasing a home up it easier. for the first time - buyers purchasing a home up to £425,000, we ll abolish stamp duty entirely. applause stamp duty is a tax on buying a home in england and northern ireland. next, what about the plan to send some migrants to rwanda? some conservatives say it s time the uk left the european convention on human rights or echr to make this easier. but mr sunak stopped short of saying that. ii easier. but mr sunak stopped short of saying that. short of saying that. if we are forced to short of saying that. if we are forced to choose short of saying that. if we are forced to choose between - short of saying that. if we are forced to choose between our security and the jurisdiction of a foreign court, including the echr, we ll always choose our nation s security. applause for much of the last 18 months, you have tried everything to try and revive conservative fortunes and not much appears to have worked. could we rename this document today your last chance saloon? chance saloon? well, chris, i ve chance saloon? well, chris, i ve been chance saloon? well, chris, i ve been very chance saloon? well, chris, i ve been very clear- chance saloon? well, chris, i ve been very clear when i i chance saloon? well, chris, i i ve been very clear when i got thisjob we had been i ve been very clear when i got this job we had been through a very difficult time as a country. if you want a secure future, if you want lower taxes, if you want your pensions protected, if you want a more sensible approach to net zero and you want your border secure, vote conservative at this election. this election. there ended -erha - s this election. there ended perhaps this this election. there ended perhaps this man s - this election. there ended perhaps this man s last i this election. there ended| perhaps this man s last big this election. there ended - perhaps this man s last big set piece moment to change his fortunes. time, then, to scuttle through the crowds and talk to some cabinet ministers. what do you make of that? i think this is a really exciting manifesto for the future. what i love about it, it addresses every stage of our lives. ii every stage of our lives. if this is the game changer, why you are standing down? me? well, i m you are standing down? me? well. m an you are standing down? me? well, i m an old you are standing down? me? well, i m an old war- you are standing down? me? well, i m an old war horse i well, i m an old war horse that s put out to grass because we need a new generation to support the prime minister in the future. support the prime minister in the future- support the prime minister in the future. , ., ., ., ., the future. it s a fudge o-rama on the european the future. it s a fudge o-rama on the european convention i the future. it s a fudge o-rama on the european convention of| on the european convention of huntan on the european convention of human rights. if on the european 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the i election, it s not myjob. the outcome of the election is your job at home. the cases the different parties are making are becoming clearer. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. you re live with bbc news. ukraine s far east has come under intense russian bombardment over the last few months. but now, the mayor of kharkiv says there have been fewer russian attacks ever since the us allowed ukraine to strike targets across the border using american weapons. it comes as president volodymyr zelensky is in germany to appeal for more support to protect ukrainian cities hoping to encourage european nations to invest in the country s post war reconstruction. our correspondent david mcguinness has more details on mr zelensky s push for recovery efforts in berlin. thousands of delegates from all over the world are in berlin to plan the reconstruction of ukraine after the war. they include governments, officials from around 60 countries, as well as business leaders and that s because the main point of this conference is to get private investment into ukraine, politicians say that state funds are not going to be enough, no matter how many billions of euros and dollars get pumped into ukraine, they need businesses to get involved. and on the one hand, its immediate reconstruction for bond infrastructure, to provide energy, or water to people here and now, on the other hand, it s about rebuilding ukraine in the future, when the war finishes. and that s more difficult because no one knows how long this is going to last. after the conference, president zelensky went to the bundestag to deliver a speech. the mps there applauded, gave him a standing ovation, it was a moving moment. but not all mps attended. mps from the far left and the far right boycotted president zelensky s speech, accusing him of escalating the war. and i think as we see national elections here in germany approaching next year, those voices on the extreme are going to get louder. mainstream germany, though, still very much supports ukraine, ask they back german chancellor olaf scholz s line that peace in europe is only possible if ukraine is fully supported. india says two of its nationals have been killed, fighting illegally for russian forces in ukraine. the indian foreign ministry said it had urged the russian authorities to repatriate the bodies of the two deceased. it further added that it had strongly called for moscow to release and repatriate all indian nationals currently with the russian army. indian media say dozens of nationals have been duped by agents into fighting for russian forces with the lure of money and the promise of obtaining russian passports. our south asia regional editor, anbarasan ethirajan, explained the indian government has been concerned about the posibility of fatalities for some time. indian authorities are worried about the reports of nearly 200 indians fighting in the ukraine war, most of them on the russian side. and what the authorities are saying is there are agents sitting in the middle east, in dubai and some other places, they recruit these very unsuspecting indian nationals, young men looking forjobs, with the promise of more than $1,000 worth ofjobs and within a few months, a russian passport. so they were being duped to come and do some support roles for the russian army and later on they were given combat roles. that s how they were being duped. that s what the indian authorities say now. the death of two more indian nationals would have come as a big shock to the new indian government, the prime minister narendra modi was sworn in on sunday. so it will be a big challenge now for the foreign ministry to talk to the russians, to send back the remaining indians who they believe are fighting for the russian forces without the permission. because india does allow its nationals to go and join another army. in fact, on that point, the indian government has not taken a strong position against russia s war in ukraine, given its traditional proximity to russia. if we see more indians recruited and killed, do you feel that may change perceptions about the war on the indian side? the indian side? well, india shares very the indian side? well, india shares very close the indian side? well, india shares very close strategicl the indian side? well, india i shares very close strategic and defence ties for decades. this issue has come as an irritant because india also is aware of the domestic how this will play out domestically. because if more indians getting killed in russia, means that will be a warning sign. that is why privately the indian authorities have been putting pressure on russia, on moscow, to send back in fact about 20 of them have come back 20 indians were fighting for the russian forces have come back. but in the long run, if this continues, then that will put pressure on mr modi s government. it s notjust india we re also talking about countries like nepal and sri lanka in the region where they have urged their nationals not to fight for russia. 20 nepalese were killed. it s not just about india, it s about the south asian region, how the conflict in ukraine is having a global impact. very briefly, what can be done to crack down on these recruiting agents on the government side?- recruiting agents on the government side? the indian government government side? the indian government says government side? the indian government says they i government side? the indian government says they have l government says they have already arrested some suspects who allegedly recruited indians to go to russia. they re now preventing asking a lot of questions of immigration, why they were going, where they were going. but these agents can find another route, first going to the middle east and then to russia, that s a challenge for the indian government. firefighters are battling wildfires in brazil s pantanal, the world s largest tropical wetland. close to 32,000 hectares have already been destroyed by the fires in the state of mato grosso do sul according to local media report. the pantanal is home to jaguars, giant anteaters and giant river otters. the number of fires from the start of the year till now has been 935% higher than the same period last year according to brazil s national institute for space research. so, to put into context the scale of what we re seeing i spoke to regina rodrigues from florianapolis in brazil a climate professor at the federal university of santa catarina. yes, the second biggest fire since 2015. and so, sorry, 2010. and it s since 2015. and so, sorry, 2010. and its huge. but, this is due to the drought, the drought last year, it was very severe during the rainy season. so now we re heading to the dry season already in dry conditions. due to the failure of the rainy season last year. and the high season, i was reading, for wildfires, is not due to start untiljuly. would you say there s a worry the worst is yet to come?- you say there s a worry the worst is yet to come? yes. the eak is worst is yet to come? yes. the peak is - worst is yet to come? yes. the peak is - as worst is yet to come? yes. the peak is - as you worst is yet to come? yes. the peak is - as you said, - worst is yet to come? yes. the peak is - as you said, it- peak is as you said, it started injuly, and the peak is august and september. and we are already seeing these fires now. so it s very worrisome. could you give us a sense of the areas which are being affected and the flora and fauna, just to help understand what we re looking at. this fauna, just to help understand what we re looking at.- what we re looking at. as you said, what we re looking at. as you said. these what we re looking at. as you said, these hectares, - what we re looking at. as you said, these hectares, this i what we re looking at. as you i said, these hectares, this huge area. and the pantanal is a wetland. this area of the midwest of brazil is getting really hot and dry. almost every year we have heat waves, even during the winter, which is now. during the dry season. and, so yeah, it s really shocking. because the pantanal is home to extraordinary biodiversity, with 300 fish species, bird species, 200 mammal species and 3,500 plant species unique to the place, including jaguars and all the unique animals. the including jaguars and all the unique animals. unique animals. the federal government unique animals. the federal government say unique animals. the federal government say they ll i unique animals. the federal government say they ll be i government say they ll be working with the state governments to combat this. do you see a strategy in place to deal with the fires? it’s deal with the fires? it s difficult deal with the fires? it s difficult because i deal with the fires? it s difficult because even though the droughts are a big player, obviously, the fires generally started by humans, they re human induced. and the extension of the soil plantations are getting to this area of the pantanal and they area of the pantanal and they are deforesting the area and they re sometimes putting fire, with the dry conditions it s the perfect combination to get out of control. so the federal government now is actually helping the local government to try to combat the fires. and finally this half hour, officials in kosovo s capital pristina are offering $50 a month to people who adopt a stray dog. at least 4,000 dogs are believed to live on the city s streets, often creating problems for residents, including dog attacks. the mayor of pristina is spending more than 300,000 dollars on efforts to catch, sterilise and immunise the street dogs ahead of their adoption. and coming up on business today. we re looking at apple bouncing back on wall street, closing at a record high. we re looking at how teenagers are fighting their smartphone addiction. that s all for now. thanks for watching. hello there. it s felt quite pleasant in any strong june sunshine. but generally temperatures have been below par for this time of year and wednesday looks pretty similar to the last few days. some spells of sunshine, variable cloud and further showers mostly across eastern areas. i think there ll be fewer showers around on wednesday because this is a ridge of high pressure, will tend to kill the showers off. the winds will be lighter, but we re still got that blue hue, that cold arctic air hanging around for at least one more day before something milder starts to push in off the atlantic, but with wind and rain. so it s a chilly start to wednesday. temperatures could be in low single digits in some rural spots. these are towns and city values. a little bit of mist and fog where skies have cleared overnight, but it s here where you ll have the best of the sunshine, northern and western areas. a bit of cloud across eastern scotland, eastern england, one 01’ two showers. through the day, it ll be one of sunshine and showers, but the clouds will tend to build most of the showers eastern areas, tending to stay drier towards the west with the best of the sunshine. so it could be up to 17 or 18 degrees in the sunniest spots, but generally cool, ten to 15 or 16 celsius. and then as we move through wednesday night, any showers fade away, lengthy, clear skies. the temperatures will tumble against mist and fog developing. temperatures in rural spots dipping close to freezing in a few places. generally, though, in the towns and cities, we re looking at 4 to eight degrees. now we ll start to see some changes into thursday. we change the wind direction, we lose that cooler air, something a bit milder. but this frontal system tied into low pressure will start to bring wet and windy weather initially into northern ireland, spreading across the irish sea, into western britain and pushing its way eastward. so we start dry with some early sunshine across eastern areas and it should stay dry, i think in eastern england, eastern scotland until after dark. we change the wind direction despite more cloud around, 17 or 18 degrees. and it means thursday night will be milder. so a milder start to friday, but low pressure across the country bring stronger winds, sunshine and showers or longer spells of rain. some of these showers will be heavy and thundery, particularly across southern and western areas. but despite that, in the sunshine, it ll feel a little bit warmer, maybe 19 or 20 degrees. not much change into the weekend, low pressure dominates the scene. it ll be breezy at times. there will be showers or longer spells of rain again, some of them heavy and thundery. but in the sunnier, brighter moments, it llfeela bit warmer, 19 or 20 degrees. and another thing you ll notice, it will feel milder at night. take care. the fight to be the world s most valuable company heats up, after apple announces new ai tools on its devices. and how long can you survive without your smartphone? we put a group of british teenagers to the test. hello and welcome to business today. i m arunoday mukharji. apple shares have surged to a record high, after it unveiled new ai tools. the tech giant is now valued at $3.18 trillion, just behind microsoft which remains the world s most valuable company. from new york, erin delmore has the details. investors have been waiting for months to see how apple would embrace ai and propelled many other tech trains to big market gains. on monday they got their answer, a partnership
seats of government, the seats of power, and embarks on a campaign, a political intimidation, in order to secure outcomes that personally benefit him. and that at the core is part of the sticks of our democracy that are before us today. because once rule of law goes out the window, it is not something that is easy to get back and it is very much a part of the decision that we have to make before us in the next few months. congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, congressman jamie raskin, thank you for your time tonight. i really appreciate it. that is all in on this tuesday night. alex wagner tonight starts now. we have new exclusive audio from the supreme court historical society that lauren winsor has given us and we will be playing that in the hour, so stay tuned. i will pick like i said, exclusive never before heard audio recordings of justice samuel alito speaking to an undercover progressive activist. that is what we have tonight. that is in addition to the bombshell recordings that were released yesterday and we will definitely want to hear these recordings when we play them. if you have been wondering how those secret tapes were made in the very first place, how activists and judges on the highest court in this land, how they came to mingle behind closed doors? the answer to that begins almost 10 years ago to this day when the supreme court handed down a major decision. reporter: supporters of the hobby lobby cheered today s victory. the oklahoma family that owns the chain of 500 craft stores claims that providing insurance coverage for some forms of contraceptives under obamacare would be the equivalent of paying for abortion. the court called the rolling startling and said it will allow companies to opt out of any law they judge incompatible with their sincerely held religious beliefs. the hobby lobby decision. the majority opinion was written by justice samuel alito and it was one of the first signs that conservatives on this court were willing to go after reproductive freedoms no matter the consequence. in the wake of the dobbs decision 10 years later, hobby lobby seemed sort of like the canary in the coal mine in more ways than one. in november 2022, the new york times offered key reporting about how the hobby lobby decision came to be. for years before the court heard the case, conservative christians have been engaged in a campaign called operation higher court. that operation was to personally court and influence the supreme court s conservative justices. that effort was spearheaded by a man named reverend robert shank who would recruit christian couples who he called stuff missionaries to gain access to the judges and to impress upon them the importance of conservative christian values. here is how the new york times described one of their strategies. reverend gave his stuff missionaries close instruction, the justices were more likely to let their guard down at the supreme court historical society annual dinners because they assumed attendees had been properly vetted. ca justice, boldly approach, schenck told the couples according to a briefing document reviewed by the times. if given the opportunity, bear witness to biblical truth, but don t push it, he said. your presence alone at the historical society events telegraphs a very important signal to the justices. christians are concerned about the court and the issues that come before it. that strategy appears to have paid off. according to the times reporting, some of schenck s stuff missionaries were able to build enough of a relationship with justice alito and his wife, martha and, that they obtained advanced notice of the court s hobby lobby decision before it came out. that breach of that unprecedented breach foreshadowed the leaked dobbs decision striking down go versus wade two years later. that specific strategy of using the supreme court s annual historical society dinners as a way to gain access to supreme court justices, it turns out that too is relevant again, just this week. they historical society dinner is a yearly event where wealthy donors give money to a nonprofit dedicated to preserving the court s history. in exchange for their money, those donors get to rub shoulders with some of the justices and their spouses. as it turns out, conservatives weren t the only ones in on this arrangement. last week, progressive activist lauren winsor who happens to be a member of the historical society, bought a ticket for the event. she got in, she pretended to be a conservative donor attending the event with her husband. ms. lender then approach some of the conservative justices and secretly recorded her conversations with them. and busyness has not heard the full tape of what is recorded so we cannot say for certain where edits were made if any were actually made. tonight we have some brand-new, never before heard audio from that event to play for you and when you hear these new tapes, he will hear something familiar to what was on the tapes released yesterday. a justice in this case, justice alito, who is aggrieved and frustrated, who is nakedly partisan and totally unconcerned by appearing to be all of those things in front of a total stranger. remember what we heard yesterday. as someone who really cherishes my face, i just don t know that we can negotiate the way that needs to happen for the polarization to end. i think it is a matter of, like, winning. i think you are probably right. on one side or the other, one side or the other is going to win. i don t know. i mean, there can be a way of working, a way of living together peacefully. but it is difficult, you know, because there are differences on fundamental things that really can t be compromised. they really can t be compromised. so it is not like you are going to split the difference. and that is what i m saying. i think that the solution really is, like, winning the moral argument. like, people in this country who believe in god have got to keep fighting for that, to return our country to a place of godliness. i agree with you. i agree with you. member, at this closed-door cocktail party, winsor was also able to get justice alito s wife, martha and, to explain her deeply personal motivation for flaying two insurrectionist flags in front of their homes. that is a story that has just scandalized this court and is reporting this week would seem to suggest that mrs. alito has no shame about what she has been doing , in fact, quite the opposite. after deriding who have been critical of the scandal, she made clear that these flags she flies are explicitly her form of resistance and response. i know what i want, i want a sacred heart of jesus flag because i had to look across the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. and he is like, please don t put up a flag. i said i want to do it because i am deferring to you but when you are free of this nonsense, i am putting it up and i am going to send you a message every day, maybe every week i will be changing the flags, i made a flag in my head, this is how i satisfy myself, i made a flag, it is white and yellow and orange flames around it. in the middle is this word. in italian, it means shame. just to be clear here, justice alito has publicly stated his wife did not fly these flags to associate herself with the stop the steal movement or any other group. but it seems quite clear from the clip that his wife very much sees these flags as a form of political expression and a response to what she believes are liberal attacks. perhaps most concerning in these recordings, though, is martha-ann alito s five-year plan for revenge . it is okay because if they come back to me, i will get them. i m going to be liberated, and i m going to get them. there is a five-year defamation statute of limitations. i don t know what you mean by they. the media. okay, so martha-ann alito, the wife of a supreme court justice, that she has a plan to get back at the media by suing for defamation. and she thinks she will have the opportunity to do that in the next five years, when she is free of all this nonsense. is samuel alito s wife telling us something here about justice alito s retirement plans? and how concerned should we all be that a supreme court justices spouse is talking about the american media with open contempt? tonight we have grand brand- new audio from that same event where justice alito himself tells us what he thinks about the press. the other voice you will hear on this tape is an associate of lauren winsor s who was also at this event. i just wanted to ask you, why do you think the supreme court is so is being so attacked and being so targeted by the media these days? well, i think it is a simple reason. they don t like our decisions and they don t like how they anticipate we may decide some cases that are coming up. that s the beginning and the end of it. and there are there are groups that are very well-funded by ideological groups that have spearheaded these attacks. that s what it is. like who? propublica. propublica gets a lot of, you know, gets a lot of money, and they have spent a fortune investigating clarence thomas, for example. everything he s ever done in his entire life, and they ve done some of that to me too. but, you know, they look for any little thing they can find, and they try to make something out of it. and be seen is reached out for comment from both samuel alito and his wife, martha-ann alito, but we have not heard back. joining me now is lauren winsor, progressive activist and the executive producer of the undercurrent. thank you for being here, i know you have had a busy week so far. we are so appreciative of all that you have set this far and all you have to share with us tonight. first, start with a new sound that your organization or your colleague has given us. there are two parts of this new tape that strikes me as concerning. the first is justice samuel alito saying that the media is attacking him because the media doesn t like how they anticipate the court has decided cases and may decide upcoming cases. was that a window into what may be coming down the pipe in the next two weeks? how did you interpret that? i mean, i definitely interpreted it as being a harbinger for bad things to come. did you get the sense when he was talking about the media and specifically citing propublica, for example, and their expensive investigators reporting about clarence thomas, that these stories are very much being shared behind closed doors at the supreme court? his media awareness seemed to be relatively high. it is very high, and he already had a sense of grievance when i first spoke with him in 2023, but it was much more pronounced this year i think in the two conversations that both allie and i had with him. can we talk about the context here? the fact is, you and your colleague both had conversations with the alitos. for those who have not been to historical society of us, is this what happens at them? we know two bombshell series of reports about conversation, advocacy campaigns that are happening between attendees and the justices on the supreme court. it is interesting, i had actually read that initial report in the new york times about reverend schenck and that is part of what played into my going in the first place but i did not read that report and think i should become a member now. it really was incited by the propublica reporting on clarence thomas and it is interesting that justice alito wants to rail about the money taken by propublica for investigating public servants while clarence thomas is not disclosing millions of dollars of gifts from gop donors and i have no idea what propublica s finances are but as someone who is an independent journalist, i would imagine that the money that clarence thomas is taking probably read the budget of propublica in any given year. is such a good point, what did you hear in justice alito s explanation for that? did you hear it almost seems as if there is certainly no contrition, but there is not even an acknowledgment that there was any wrongdoing on the part of clarence thomas in accepting potentially millions of dollars in unspecified gifts from conservative donors? it is not verbatim, but it is almost for meeting verbatim, making something out of any little thing. i don t consider any little thing to be buying my mother s house or paying for my nephew s tuition or getting a free rv loan. and these are all things he has accepted from gop donors. so, it would be a much different story if this were just about vacations he was taking with his wife and the family, most people would write it off as, it was a trip. most people would not consider traveling with friends or associates as being something that is that big of a deal, that is not actually what we are talking about with clarence thomas, is it? no, it is another order of magnitude, it would seem. and it has been going on for years. i guess some part of me is surprised that you, not knowing the alito s, you re just a random member of the historical society, is able to even get within shoulder rubbing distance of a justice and then draw him into conversation about some of the most incendiary topics in this country, which is a partisan divide. how did it actually unfold when you were in the room with the justice? it should be stated that in the guidance for the events, the historical society says, if you broach topics that are before the court, it may be grounds for you to be kicked out and so there is definitely a deliberative process in, how do i approach someone that, you know, not only are judges supposed to be really the height of discretion, the height of, you know, judgment, right? this is the highest court in the land, this is the supreme court justice, so i definitely went into this assuming that i was not going to get anything newsworthy. in 2023, i did not get anything newsworthy. but, i thought, you know, throughout the year that transpired, the media s scrutiny on justice alito has intensified so much and his grievance level is probably so much more peaked, that unlike clarence thomas who did not show up to this dinner but has been reported to have shown up to it many times, and he did not show up in 2023, by the way, that justice alito would probably attend anyway, even though he was undergoing this very intense media glare and sure enough, he was there and i think, you know, it was just something that i can t say what was in his mind so i don t know if in 2023, he had the same level of grievance and, you know, it changed over the course of the year? there are a couple options there. did it change or was it always there and he just felt more comfortable? was it hard to get him to talk? at the very end of this conversation, he says, are you a lawyer? i think he is talking to your colleague, i am not sure if it is you or her but it wasn t like you had offered any biographical information other than you had a husband who is not in the room. and i wonder why you operate that piece of information? how did you actually get into conversation with him? did you go up to him and start talking to him? the reason why i brought up my husband was that in 2023, i came with a male friend. the context of it was, we had a conversation after dinner, in 2023, my male friend was with me , he was not with me in 2024, so when i saw justice alito solo, it was one-on-one. it was, hi, there, my husband really wants to let you know that we are rooting for you, that you really have all the grit. the reason why i said you have all the grit, if it does not stick out to people, this is because donald trump had treated something out about how , you know, there should be more justices like samuel alito , with the grit that samuel alito has, so i felt like it was kind of a flag, if you will , to justice alito, that it was a safe space for him? a safe space, yes. i was trying to signal to him very coyly without saying trump because it goes back to the way the conversation to bridge a conversation with someone who has the highest level of discretion come you can t talk about partisan politics, if i had locked up in answer to talking about joe biden or donald trump, he would have shut down. so talking about polarization was really a way into the conversation that wasn t as aggressive but also indicative of what i was really trying to get out, was, is he acting on bias? and i really do believe that the american people deserve to know, is the supreme court so compromise that we do not really have impartiality, the bedrock of our judicial system? i think hearing it from his mouth, that he cannot be impartial, there are things that cannot be compromised, that needs to be fuel for journalists and for congress to say, tell us, what are the things that can t be compromised? lauren, look. you brought us into a room that few people are ever in and i think these tapes are revelatory and they are 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today s conviction was awkward, right? it is awkward for the talking point that it was all right, that biden justice department was weapon eyes only against republicans. but we live in a world in which the reality and the fact have a hard time catching up, you can see how deeply invested republicans are in there talking point about the biden crime family pick so it is not a shock that they are going to continue to repeat those talking points over and over and over again. but, i do think the contrast and the reaction to the conviction of donald trump in the conviction of hunter biden has been very, very telling here. again, it is always difficult to know how it is going to play out. we may see this at the debate. and other biden folks think this is going to come up at the debate and you know donald trump is going to try to make an issue of the fact that the president s son is a convicted felon which will be offered, being a convicted felon himself . but democrats have been making this point and let me even make the point that there are a number of democrats who are facing indictments under the biden justice department, not just the president s own son, but a democratic senator, senator menendez, henry cuellar, down in texas, these are all democrats. if the system is so rigged, how do they explain that? the answer is, they don t feel the need to explain that at all. they are just going to go with a spin. i just wonder who the spin is for, right? you talk about the reaction, this was a statement from the president of the united states after his son is convicted of felonies. as i said last week, i am the president but i am also a dad, jill and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today. so many families who have had loveland battle addiction understand the feeling of pride seeing someone you love, out the other side and be so strong and resilient in recovery. as i also said last week, looks at the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal. jill and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that. it is a very strong statement, it is a tough statement for a father to make, and i think [ inaudible ] whatever the republican argument here is about biden rigging the system, among the [ inaudible ] i don t think there is any reason to doubt his word at this point. and again, this creates a really significant difference between the tantrum donald trump and his supporters have thrown and the acceptance of the rule of law and the decision of a jury that was represented with all of this evidence. the point you re making is, who is this for right now? almost everything republicans say is for the audience of one, it is for donald trump. this is what the base wants to hear about that is not the group of voters who will be deciding the selection. not to ask too poetic about it but i think embedded in biden s statement is a call to empathy, right? for those who have fallen, for people who have addiction and are trying to make it through a dark period, versus trump, who is all grievance all the time, and i think we think a lot we don t know a lot about where this country is headed, but really, appealing to people s since of forgiveness and empathy does not seem like a political strategy that has an expiration date. am i being too soft here? no, again, it is a very interesting contrast. if donald trump s superpower is his shamelessness, his refusal to ever take responsibility or apologize, joe biden s superpower is his empathy. and again, republicans aren t going to give him any credit for it but i do think there are a lot of americans who are going to say, this is a tragic situation, there are questions about hunter biden s judgment and his behavior, but also what you are seeing from joe biden is, this is what a father, a father who has lost his other son, how they would react to something like that. and i think there will be a sliver of the electorate, a crucial sliver, that is going to look at that and say we understand that seems human to us. that seems like something that we can identify with and admire as opposed to the constant conspiracy theories and the victim cardplaying and really, the vicious attacks on the criminal justice system and the jury system coming from donald trump. it is a real choice i had. this is going to be very, very indicative of who we are as a country. thank you again for your time, it is great see you. thank you. still to come this evening, we have new reporting about what appears to be a coordinated effort to broadcast disinformation about this fall s election on your local newscast. when it comes to donald trump a criminal conviction, republicans need a reality check. we have one, that is next. nex. with all the money i saved i thought i d buy stilts. being so tall definitely has its advantages. oh whoa. here you go, kiddo. thanks. hi honey ready to go? 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(vo) when life s doors open, we ll handle the house. i just went through a rigged trial in new york. it is a rigged system, a terrible system, actually, but it is a rigged system. the whole system is rigged. this was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupt. rigged, rigged, rigged, rigged. that has been donald trump by the refrain during his criminal trial in new york, the entire system is rigged against him. and yet, the system really seems to be bending in his favor lately as we saw yesterday at his probation interview. trump s interview lasted less than half an hour and trump was allowed to attend the meeting over zoom from his mar-a-lago beach club in florida. with his lawyer, seated by his side. just for perspective here, according to a statement released by multiple public defender groups in new york city, public defenders are deprived of joining their clients for these meetings, the option of joining these interviews virtually by zuma is typically not extended to the people we represent either. joining me now is duncan levin who was a federal prosecutor and served as a senior staffer in the manhattan va s office, he is now a criminal defense attorney. thank you for joining me to make sense of this madness her. first of all, the circumstances of this probation, they sound relatively easy, maybe even cushy but donald trump says that everything is rigged against him. who is right? this is something that is a routine and it typically takes hours. to the extent that there have been things that have been different for him, they have only been different in his favor. most defendants have to come there in person, it is a drab office, these things take hours, there are reports his probation interview took half an hour. this is an opportunity for probation to actually ask the types of questions that a judge might want to know on sentencing that don t come out in the trial. this defendant is somebody who is so well vetted, everybody knows everything, but for most defendants, the judge does not have a sense of who they are as a person. what their family situation is, with her immigration status is, are they using drugs? a lot of people notice about donald trump but you could say half an hour maybe all you need but the fact is, this is them doing their due diligence and to the extent that it is on zoom, the lawyer is there, it is only half an hour, to the extent it is rigged or indifferent, it is only been in his favor picked the other piece of this he likes bringing up is the presence in this case on the da side of amending matthew purkey. they were to the department of justice and now works for alvin and they have literally used matthew to be like, the missing link between job biden, the publisher of the justice department and alvin bragg, the prosecutor that has sought charges against donald trump. for people who aren t familiar with this line of attack, this is how comp talks about matthew. matthew colangelo is a radical left from the doj who was put into the state, working with lakisha james , and then was put into the district attorney s office to run the trial against trump. we will take issue with it put into passive in that statement but you have gone between the doj and the das office, so you know what it is like, i guess, to be a plant. first of all, is that a normal thing that happens? and how in line with reality is this argument? this is something that is also being jammed up on capitol hill a lot. in a letter today, the department of justice said this was conspiratorial speculation. i think it is something a lot more sinister and dark that is going on, this is an attempt to really undermine law enforcement and to so distrust of the public if enforcement function. first off, the manhattan das office and doj walk together all the time, everything today. there are joint task forces on terrorism, on hate crimes, there is a joint task force that looks the filings the banks viral, the suspicious activity reports, there have been drinking since i have been prosecuted by the department of justice and manhattan das office against banks like standard charter, hsbc, ing and barclays, there have been cases every day that rd conflicting between department of justice and the manhattan das office, they don t arrest the same person or step on each other s toes and people go back and forth, and from the manhattan das office to the aspersion of justice and back to the manhattan das office, robert morgan was the most famous manhattan da who served for 35 years from 1975 to 2010, prior to becoming elected as a manhattan da with the united states attorney for the southern district of new york. he was an obama plant quick exactly, a stooge of the ministration. it is preposterous, right? and yet there is no sense these cries of foul play are going to end anytime soon. this is all coming to a head on july 11 when there is the sentencing hearing for trump and i guess i wonder what your expectation for that is and whether there is anything to be done around the cries of foul play in a rigged system that are inevitably going to come up no matter what trump is sentenced to? this is such a hard decision for the judge and you would not wish it on your worst enemy and frankly on both sides, nobody should want him to go to jail or want anyone to go to jail, it is a sad day. that being said it is a tough decision for him to make. the prosecution is virtually going to be asking for jail time. the defense is looking for a conditional discharge saying he has been punished enough by the felony and that is it. it will be an outcry on both sides no matter what it is. this is something that is very difficult decision. i don t know that there is any way to the political thicket of it, other than to say this is a judge who has really been around the block and will be taking this seriously unfairly and i think you ll see a sentence that is free of some of those political considerations, something that he will be, maybe dom amato, but i think both sides will be able to make of it like a rorschach test, if you will, they will be able to argue around it what ever it is. that is not exactly you are not giving me the inside dope on what you think it would be and i would never put you on the spot for that, but for all the we have seen thus far it feels like the volume is only going to increase. thank you, my friend, for being here, helping us all through this. coming up, trump appointee judge eileen cannon tosses out part of trump s indictment in the classified documents case. we are going to get to that but first, some very orwellian messaging broadcast from your trusted local news station, that is next. next. at bombas, we re obsessed with comfort. softness. quality. because your basic things should be your best things. one purchased equals one donated. visit bombas.com and get 20% off your first order. when life spells heartburn. how do you spell relief? 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it is certainly not a critical factor. all this means is that it is not sitting in what is otherwise known as a speaking indictment. it is still information prosecutors can bring out at trial, and almost certainly will litigate to make sure they can bring it out, as evidence of a prior bad act strictly in the context of mr. trump s intent, his motive, his desire, his willingness to conceal this information that he knew he knew he had classified documents, he knew he wasn t authorized to have them and he was retaining them at mar-a- lago. this is a minor, little victory for mr. trump. otherwise, the motion was denied. otherwise, the issue, of course, is that it just took so long. this could have been resolved weeks ago. it never needed to take this long. if it is not a significant win for trump, is it indicative, though, of a broader tension between the special counsel s office and this judge? because throughout this case and it seems like it has ratcheted up in recent months there is maybe not a volley because it seems like it is coming from one side, the judge does not seem happy with jack smith or his team. yes, certainly the tensions continue to boil and they have reached the point where in a hearing just a few weeks ago, prosecutors were so upset and frustrated with their attempts to try to explain to judge cannon their view on the case law and how certain legal precedents apply that the judge had to basically counsel them to calm down. none of us were there, i don t know how badly that got out of hand, but it is never a good sign when you are a lawyer and the judge is telling you to calm down. but, let s be honest about where this is going. judge cannon, for whatever reason, has chosen to take a slow and methodical approach. she hasn t granted donald trump anything of substance, yet, at any point in this case. but because of how she has dragged it out, because she is making sure the classified portions in particular are taking forever, it is almost guaranteed this will never see the light of day, it will never go to trial before people go to the voting booth in november. that seems guaranteed, there seems to be a question about whether we will see the trial, period. but, that seems to be based on politics. trump filed another motion to dismiss today, this one says that the fbi destroyed evidence by not preserving exactly where the classified material was in proximity to nonclassified material and trump is arguing he didn t pack the boxes, he didn t know what was in there. how substantive is this? or, does it matter, is it just more delay, delay, delay? i think it is largely a delay tactic, but the hope is that they might get an evidentiary hearing, something big mentioned in the motion, they want a hearing to probe into how this was conducted, how the boxes were organized, this way whether or not there is something to whether there are allegations of bias or improper storage. on the merits, it s garbage. it has nothing to do with anything in terms of destruction of evidence, and it doesn t absolve trump of the idea that he willfully retained the documents. he knew he had them in 2022, when he turned stuff over to the archives. they told him, hey, there s classified documents in this stuff. they knew he had them over the course of the next year, talking to his lawyers telling him, turn them over. and the fbi kept funding stuff in what you are turning over. it will ultimately not change anything, but quite possibly with the way judge cannon handles things, it could drag it out just a little bit more. just a little bit more. we are now at the first anniversary of the mar-a-lago case, the grand jury and bob dikeman came down on june 8th, 2023. anyone s guess if we get to the second anniversary. bradley moss, thank you, sir, for your time tonight. have a good night. that is our show for this evening. now, it is time for the last word , with jonathan k part. lawrence o donnell come in for jonathan.
which is straight after this programme. hello. welcome to the media show. well, on this week s programme, we ve talked about a couple of subjects which are pretty familiar to us on the media show, but they re no less pressing because of that. one is howjournalists should cover donald trump and of course, he s trying to become president of america again and the other is about the business models of news, because they are under ever more pressure. and when it comes to the business model, we are also looking at al and journalism, because several news organisations have done recent deals with the big tech firms. so that is all coming up. on this week s programme, we re going to hearfrom andrew neil, who has a brand new show on times radio. he s also the chairman of the spectator group. and we rejoined by caroline waterston, the relatively new editor in chief of the daily mirror. yeah, we ve also got two guests coming out of the states one, katie notopoulos, who s the senior tech and business correspondent at business insider. but the first person we spoke to isjeffrey goldberg, who is editor in chief of the atlantic. and we started off by asking him just to sum up what the atlantic is. how is that even possible? on the rare. just in case people don t know, it s a 167 year old magazine founded in boston. 1s. 1850s, before the civil war. politics, culture, literature, remains committed to those coverage areas today. but we try to explain america to itself to some degree. i think that s one of our purposes. we have a monthly magazine with a large subscriber base. we have a million subscribers, including digital subscribers. we reach a pretty wide array of people across the us and other parts of the english speaking world. and i think i m right in saying you re privately owned by emerson collective, which is an organisation set up by laurene powelljobs, widow of the apple founder stevejobs. just explain to us how that works. yeah. laurene and emerson collective bought the atlantic seven years ago. it works, knock on wood, wonderfully well. she s a great owner. we have complete editorial independence. she s very supportive of the mission, as is the whole organisation. we re a for profit organisation, although emerson collective has a for profit and a not for profit, separate wings. we are profitable on our own, which is a good thing and fairly rare these days. i m just thinking about. i ve been thinking about the washington post a lot of the last couple of days. well, we definitely want to ask you about some of the announcements at the washington post. and we want to ask you about your route to profitability, because that was one of the reasons we were so interested to have you on the programme. before we get into the details of what you ve done at the atlantic, ijust with katie s help as well, and a guest who sjoining us want to put what the atlantic is trying to do and what all publications in the news arena are trying to do in some context. yes, because katie notopoulos is from business insider, and ijust thought it d be useful if she just gave us a recap on the structural problems facing the industry. because, katie, you know, as has already been mentioned, much of this comes back to advertising, doesn t it? right. so one of the biggest problems isjust that| digital advertising - which was what supported journalism for many . decades or centuries has sort of dried up. facebook and google are very effective at being digital- advertisers, and they ve just sucked up a lot of the - ad dollars out there. so if you re a brand i like pepsi, it s easier to put your dollars somewhere else than to run an ad - in a publication. and that has really affected . the industry across the board. and you obviously. there s a lot of other| factors going on, just the rise of digital, - and therefore print is not as popular as it used to be. but i think. you know, there are some bright i spots, and there s reason to be i hopeful about the state - ofjournalism and being able to sustain media businesses. katie, thank you. jeffrey goldberg from the atlantic, let s bring you back in. you launched your online paywall in 2019. tell us about that decision and what s happened since. yeah, well, it turned out to be excellent timing, because the pandemic hit the next year and advertising bottomed out. we re holding our own on advertising. we have good people doing it. and, you know, it s not going to be the primary source of revenue for this company going into the future. we ve switched, actually, since 2019. we re now majority. you know, the bulk of our revenue comes from subscriptions, the consumer business, not advertising, but advertising is still an important part. but we launched this paywall. i mean, obviously, we re a print. we ve been a print magazine since the 1850s. we ve had long experience of being a subscription based organisation. when we entered the internet in a big way in the mid 90s, late 90s, obviously programmatic ad revenue, other forms of advertising, became huge for us. but we finally decided, the company finally decided in 2019 to launch a paywall for a digital product. and thank god we did, because a combination of pandemic news and trump news really accelerated our growth in the next couple of years. and that brought us, we just crossed a million subscribers total. half of those. roughly half of those subscribers are print and digital and half roughly half are digital only. all news organisations are diversifying the type of content that they re making. i wonder, aside from the trademark atlantic long articles which many people will know, what else you offer digital subscribers? well, we have a daily report. you know, we re not building a second newsroom, or a third newsroom in the washington post case, for tiktok videos or whatever it is that they re doing. you don t sound overly impressed, jeffrey. no, i m just feeling generally dyspeptic today. so you re just getting. just getting a general vibe. hopefully, that s nothing to do with you coming on the media show! god, no. glad to hear it. just checking. this is the only meeting i m looking forward to today. sorry, we interrupted you. no, no, no. it s ok. i d rather make jokes than talk about the business ofjournalism. i think that. so when i started as editor eight years ago, you know, all i wanted to do, and i have, you know, laurene s100% backing on this, make highest qualityjournalism, because highest quality journalism is the only thing that people will pay for. you know, if we had put all of our eggs in the programmatic ad revenue basket, we d be in bad shape, and so on. and so i think doubling down on what you do best, and doubling down on making a unique. unique stories that people will actually pay you for to read is the way to go. and so we have a much more. you know, obviously, 30 years ago, before the internet, the atlantic came out, it was a, you know, more leisurely paced thing. today, we publish every day. we publish, you know, every hour in busy times. but we re still trying to maintain that level of quality and differentiation so that we can convince readers to become subscribers. i m going to pause you there, sorry, just to bring in andrew neil, because some of this with your spectator hat on must be sounding quite familiar. jeffrey s talking about a million subscribers. how. you re a subscription model as well? we are a subscription model. the spectator has about 100,000 subscribers in the uk, 20,000 in america, because we just launched there, and about 12,000 in australia. if you get the business model right, the digital age can be a golden age forjournalism and publications like atlantic monthly and the spectator. but you need to get it right, and you need to realise that the old business models will bankrupt you. so when i took over the spectator in 2005, 65% of our revenues came from advertising. today, it s less than 10%. advertising is only our third biggest revenue stream. we ve had to seek new revenue streams. we put a very tough paywall up about 12, 14 years ago. 80% of our revenues now come from subscription. and it s a wonderful business model, because subscription revenues are predictable. i know within 5% plus or minus what s coming in this year, because i know the renewal rate, i know what the marketing will produce, and it s not subject to the economic cycle, unlike advertising, which is highly unpredictable. so you get that right and you re a golden age. the poster child of all this, of course, is the new york times, which now has nine million subscribers, more foreign correspondents than it s ever had in its history. and they got in early, didn t they? that was part of it. they got in early, as some of us did too. the times and the sunday times in this country are now highly profitable on the subscription model. and then you need to look, in addition to subscription revenue, for other streams of revenue, streams that you would never have thought of before. so, for example, of course, you still take some advertising. you take very little programmatic. because here s the problem if you re a subscription model, you re providing a premium website, and you don t want your website punctuated by endless ads for things that you have no control over. so you really need to control that. and you re talking about digital dimes in terms of programmatic, but instead, you do newsletters, you do podcasts, you have spectator tv and other ventures like that. and above all, our second biggest stream of revenue events we do events that expand the brand and bring in a ton of money. ok, caroline waterston, i want to bring you in because this presumably isn t sounding very familiar to you because it isn t something that you re doing at the mirror. have you ever thought about subscription? have you ever thought about a paywall? it s not on the mirror s agenda. i mean, certainly from my point of view and from the mirror s point of view, you know, i believe that our content should be available to a wide community and not just those that can afford it. you know, we are a news brand. i want to ensure that everyone has access to our content, and certainly it s not on our agenda. but what does that mean financially? you re taking a hit. do you believe.? i mean, are.? are you essentially of the belief that a paywall is this too dramatic, a paywall is a threat to democracy? is that how you see it? no, it s just not on our agenda at the moment. that s because it doesn t work. we talked. well. for red top tabloids, it doesn t work. the sun tried it and had to abandon it. you know, it s different with atlantic, spectator, times, sunday times, financial times. people are willing to pay. ..new york times. people are willing to pay for that kind ofjournalism. the problem with what we used to call the red top tabloids is that people won t pay for it digitally. of course, in the old days, they paid for it by putting their money down to buy the paper. but it seems that a lot of that kind of content, they think they can already get almost for free on the net. so they re not. it s a. of allthe. you know, all of our industry from the top to the bottom has had to withgo digital waves of change. the toughest part of the market to get right is the red top tabloid part of the market, because the subscription model doesn t work. caroline? yeah. and, look, good quality journalism is exactly what we want to do. but good quality journalism shouldn tjust be available to those that can afford to pay it. so, yes, we are an ad model. ads help fund.ourjournalism. and certainly. that s where we are at the moment. in terms of the experience of the user, the digital user of yourjournalism, do you have any concerns that the proliferation of adverts, which you need in order to fund the work you re doing, lessens the experience? look, it s something i think about every day, but, you know, ads are a part of life, and certainly from the mirror s point of view, we have to produce good quality journalism, and ads help us do that. 0k. let s bring you back in, jeffrey goldberg, because what about your experience in the us, particularly relating to donald trump, who we know back in 2016 drove huge levels of news and news related content consumption? are you seeing the same thing this time around? 2016 and 2020. i wouldn t say. well, first of all, we have a much tougher paywall, so that limits the sort of explosive numbers that you would have seen 2020, 2016, in particular. i think there s also fatigue. you know, these are. these are characters in now what would be called a long running drama, right? trump and biden as well. i think there is some fatigue with it. all that being said, yeah, there s. there s obviously an unusual election taking place. i m trying to use the most anodyne words possible. there s a consequential election taking place and people are. our kind of reader in particular is going to be very engaged in it. but, you know and i think this is a lesson from the washington post in a way you can tjust assume that political news will continually spike for you. i mean, you have to do the thing that s the right thing to do for your publication. it s mission first. and if you forget that, you re going to lose your subscribers eventually anyway. butl. we re not going to see the same crazy numbers that we saw in the past. but obviously, this is not a normal election. and trump does draw an extraordinary amount of attention. i want to ask you further about trump, but you ve alluded to the washington post a couple of times. we should say that on monday, sally buzbee, we heard, was leaving her role as the washington post s executive editor, to be replaced by robert winnett from the daily telegraph. and will lewis, who s the ceo of the washington post, said, we are losing large amounts of money. your audience. this is to staff. your audience has halved in recent years. people are not reading your stuff. i can t sugar coat it any more. so the washington post is looking to change its strategy. but coming back more broadly to donald trump, this is a question we ve asked a number of times on the media show over the years, but it doesn t make it any less pressing. you ve called the election consequential and unusual i m sure there are other words you would use, too. how do you, as the editor of a hugely consequential magazine and publication in the us, approach the challenge of covering donald trump? and i m interested to ask andrew and caroline the same question afterwards. you know, we. we had this problem in 2016, where we were trying to. you know, we were following the old rules, you know, to some degree, which is. and the old rules were the old rules of coverage, what people would call both sider ism. the old rules worked.when you had candidates who operated within certain lanes, lanes of self restraint, lanes of adherence to democratic norms, when candidates felt shame and repositioned themselves based on feedback, regarding the things that they do. you know, the most important thing for me, and, you know, we try to get it right, and a lot of other people are trying to get it right, and a lot of people are trying to catch up the most important thing is that we describe things plainly. right? not euphemise, because donald trump s behaviour is so novel i mean, it s not novel any more, but it s still novel historically and that. you know, and that we don t become. and this is what i m always encouraging our staff about. we don t normalise to this. our own, you know. oh, well, trumpjust said that, you know, the north korean dictator s head is made of cheese. oh, who cares? he always says stuff like that. no, and we have to do it every. we have to report the oddness, whenever it erupts, and that. by the way, this means. we re notjoining the resistance. we neverjoined the resistance, which means we also questionjoe biden s capacities, for instance. that s how you re approaching it at the atlantic. i wonderfor the daily mirror here in the uk, caroline, how do you.? do you approach donald trump like any other politician? or are there particular things you tell your colleagues look, we have to be careful here ? look, trump is an interesting character, but at the weekend, you ll hopefully have seen we actually had the world exclusive of stormy daniels, post everything that happened last week. and, you know, the content that comes out of trump in his everyday life and how he acts, i mean, it creates brilliant, brilliant content for our audience. that s honest. yeah. andrew, let me bring you in here now, because we have senior british executives at the wall streetjournal, the washington post, cnn and bloomberg news. what do you make of this exodus of senior british editors in the direction of the us? bbc too. mark thompson. mark thompson, former bbc. ..is at cnn and was at the new york times. of course, we always put ourselves down, but british journalism is vibrant and dynamic and hugely successful. and we know how to write and we know how to write concisely. well, not for the first time on the media show, we ve been talking about artificial intelligence, and the item that we re going to see now is all about search results that are being produced by new ai products. yeah, this is quite a fun one because google has got a new search called ai overview, a search product, and it is coming up in some cases with some pretty crazy results. and i started by asking katie notopoulos, who s the senior tech and business correspondent of business insider, tojust explain how it all works. so it s not on every single search, it s only on certain searches, typically ones that are sort of asking a specific question versus, you know, searching somebody s name or something like that. and it basically gives you a little bit of. maybe a couple sentences, a little paragraph, maybe a few bullet points that essentially answers your question. and this is probably very useful for most searches most of the time. but it was initially sort of riddled with laughable errors. i mean, one of the things that i do know that you did this really is dedication to yourjob you made a pizza with glue and ate it. just explain why you did that. slightly gimmicky. i m assuming it was for a piece. it was. piece of pizza! americanjournalists are ready. all in the line of duty. ..to undertake these big challenges. laughter. yeah, some people have to cover donald trump s trial. some people have to eat pizza with glue on it. right. basically sounds like i the same thing, really. exactly. laughter. one of the sort of silly answer that was going most viral on social media was someone had asked, how do i get the glued cheese to not slide off my pizza? and google suggested, you know, let the pizza cool for a while. and then it also said, add one eighth of a cup of glue to the sauce. so you re the only person in america who did it. ..it had sourced that little piece of information from a reddit comment that had suggested that obviously as a joke. and everyone on reddit at the time, when they were reading it, could understand in context that the person was making a joke that to keep the cheese from sliding off your pizza, you should add glue to the sauce. google sort of couldn t understand that this was satire, that it was a joke. so, not great. i mean, ijust should bring in. well, google have said about this, because they ve told the bbc, these were isolated examples, generally very uncommon queries, and they aren t representative of most people s experiences, and that the vast majority, it says, of ai overviews, provide high quality information with links to dig deeper on the web. and it said it s taken action where policy violations were identified and it was using them to refine its systems. just in the last couple of minutes of the programme, let me ask a further question about al, and it comes down to when big organisations that have content, like the atlantic or the spectator or the mirror, decide whether or not to share all of that content with the big language models that are training generative ai. and jeffrey at the atlantic, jeffrey goldberg, you ve cut a deal with openai. tell us about the discussions within the atlantic, whether you were weighing up whether to do that or not. well, ijust have to be technically clear about something. the editorial team has independence from the business side of this operation, but the business side has independence from the editorial side. and this was a decision made by the corporation and by our business leadership to do this. and so.i was certainly told about it, and i was.invited to share my views on it, but, you know, i. what are your views on it? well, i have my ambivalence about it. i mean, i don t want to. i forget who was saying this before, but, you know, the internet has turns out been great for a place like the atlantic. we reach many, many more people than we used to because of the internet. i don t want to be, you know, sort of axiomatically luddite about this sort of thing and say, ai is only a threat, but i have my deep ambivalences about.ai and what it s going to do tojournalism and also, by the way, humanity and the future of our planet. all that being said, ai is coming whether or not i want it to come. and it s a little bit like, to me, complaining about the weather. the weather doesn t care that i don t like it. so i ve got to dress for the weather, and dressing for the weather in this case means trying to figure out a way to have a relationship with openai, in which openai doesn t eat you for lunch. let me just ask quickly caroline and andrew very quickly, if you would. caroline, how s the daily mirror viewing the idea of sharing its content with these ai, these big ai operators? we wouldn t. - we wouldn t want to. you re not planning to do that yet? no, we re not- planning to do that. and the spectator? we won t do that until we know a lot more about it. if it s another potential stream of revenue that doesn t carry risks, that s one thing. but we need to know a lot more. for me, the al s biggest opportunity is on the commercial side. i think a lot of the ai can help us run the company commercially much better. we can learn more about our readers, about usage of the app, usage of the website. all that sort of thing is fine, but forthe moment, i ll keep editorial separate. and i lljust add, the new york times is taking a very different approach to this. it s not collaborating with openai. in fact, it s suing for the theft of its content. so we re going to watch how that plays out. and i was at the enders deloitte media conference yesterday, where anna bateson, who runs the guardian, said they would do a deal with an ai company, but only on the right terms. so there you go. well. something to end on, because that is all we have time for, i m afraid. thank you so much to katie notopoulos from business insider and, of course, andrew neil from times radio, but also the spectator. and caroline waterston, editor in chief of the mirror, and jeffrey goldberg, editor in chief of the atlantic. well, thanks very much indeed to all of our guests. fascinating to hear their perspectives on all those issues. i suspect it won t be the last time we turn to ai, to business models of news, to covering donald trump, but it was very interesting to hear from all of them. i think you re right. thank you so much to everybody. that was the media show. we ll be back at the same time next week. bye. bye bye. and if you d like to hear a longer version of today s show, search bbc the media show wherever you get your bbc podcasts. hello there. wind coming from the north at times. temperatures are struggled to get into double figures but a slightly different story further south and west, just look at anglesey, a beautiful afternoon and lots of sunshine. temperatures peaking at 18 or 19 degrees. high pressure continuing its way in from the west, west is the best for tuesday, likely to be a few showers around but hopefully if you would far between. most frequently will be across is in scotland and eastern england. sunny spells and scattered showers going into the afternoon, having an impact with a temperature, but again with a temperature, but again with more shelter and sunshine, 17 or 18 degrees is not out of the question. scattered showers moving their way through northern ireland and scotland, hopefully they will ease over the afternoon. you can see the temperatures are still struggling. 10 15 degrees at the best. going into wednesday, the best. going into wednesday, the high pressure will continue to kill off the showers, so wednesday is likely to be the driest day of the week and make the most of it, more rain to come. a chilly start once again for wednesday morning, single figures right across the country, low single figures in auroral spots. hopefully the showers will be few and far between and more favoured spots for the showers once again to the east. more sunshine to the west. temperature is generally similar to what we have seen all week, 10 80 degrees. the wind will change as we move into thursday, unfortunately towards the end of the week the low pressure will take over and we will see spells of rain at times, some heavy but the wind direction it will play its part. a southwesterly wind means we are the temperatures are climbing a degree also, do not anything to significant because we have the cloud and the rain. not out of the question in eastern england because the highs of 20 degrees. take care. live from washington. this is bbc news. hamas submits its response to a us led ceasefire proposal, but says israel needs to commit to completely stopping the war. us presidentjoe biden s son hunter, is found guilty on all three charges in his federal gun case. and malawi s vice president, saulos chilima was killed in a plane crash, along with nine other passengers. i m sumi somaskanda. it s great to have you with us. the white house says its evaluating an official response by hamas to the latest proposal for a truce in the gaza conflict. us presidentjoe biden submitted the proposal about 12 days ago. earliertuesday, hamas said it has a positive
and tonight during the broadcast i will do an exclusive first-time interview with house speaker mike johnson and hakeem jeffries, minority leader. he used to play and a fan of the new york yankees. i ll be doing color commentary on fs1 and the washington capital handles play-by-play and congressional baseball shooting is now available on fox nation. guys, back to you. steve: we ll be watching. thanks, chad. ainsley: everyone have a wonderful day. see you tomorrow. lawrence: a fun show. brian in dallas, back on the couch tomorrow. steve: have a great day. america s newsroom starts now. bill: good morning. so two weeks and two trips to europe. president biden heading to italy for a g7 summit. yesterday around this time he met with his son, hunter, after his felony gun charge conviction. will a change of scenery satisfies. we ve seen the threat from foreign terrorists rise to another level. by no means a time to let up or dial back. now, on top of that, increasingly concerning is the potential for a coordinated attack here in the homeland. bill: that was eight days ago. that was chris wray head of the f.b.i. warning us. now it s happened. eight migrants with ties to arrested tied to isis crossing the border illegally. that s where we start. i m bill hemmer. dana: good to be here with you. i m dana perino and this is america s newsroom. the migrants came here from kazakhstan and a source tells fox they were fully vetted at the southern border and yet nothing was flagged. ice caught up with them in philadelphia, new york and los angeles. it begs the question who else is coming across that border? dana: team fox coverage. paul mauro is here with us and first to alexis mcadams on the streets of new york with more. hi. good morning. right now we know those eight kazakhstan nationals are in ice custody after being arrested. majority were arrested here in new york city. exactly where in the city we re trying to figure that out. this morning a democratic councilman says it s another example of a broken southern border that he says the president needs to fix quickly. he says he doesn t know what will happen next in new york city. listen. it s frightening. we re headed for another 9/11. i predicted that. i think we should have a secure border. we should know who is coming into our country. we don t. and millions of migrants and illegal aliens have gotten through. it is a situation that we re rolling the dice here. a group of can kazakhstan nationals were taken into custody. how did they enter the united states in the first place is the question. sources telling fox they crossed illegally at the southern border and were fully vetted. but listen to this. nothing was flagged somehow. it was only after they were already released into the u.s. that customs and border patrol were notified about these major security concerns. so this ice sting took place in three major cities, new york, philadelphia, and in los angeles. according to the new york post, the feds used a wiretap to listen in on these phone calls from the people. hearing one of those arrested talking about bombs. former ice director tom homan says it s an example of a dangerous trend. under 3 1/2 years of biden they have a historic number of russian nationals at the southern border. these numbers are unprecedented. you look at the people on the terrorist watch list, over 380 on the southern border. you heard those numbers, shocking. 380 at the southern border and counting. the department of homeland security and f.b.i. are working this case. they know about that heightened threat and saying they do everything they can around the clock to keep americans safe. dana: thank you. bill: analysis with paul mauro. good morning to you. you have a lot of contacts in new york. want to show alexis and talking about the stunning numbers. known gotaways last year, 670,000. who are they? where are they coming from? on and on the questions go. what do you have for us today? what a paradigm event this is. how much is revealed in this takedown and where they came from and how they came through. as the saying goes in the intelligence world, the further we get from 9/11 the closer we get to 9/ten. when we used to do counter terrorism in new york, i did it half my career, the idea that you could get somebody who came in and was a complete clean skin and no friction at the border and we knew nothing about was a major red flag. the idea we have millions of such people coming into the country right now defies belief. when you look at the fact that these were people who carried out the 144 murders in moscow recently in an operation the head of the f.b.i. is saying he is concerned about mirroring here, it tells you what we re into here. the disconnect within the federal government seems to be income present henceible. you have the intelligence arm ringing every bell and they are oblivious and don t want to hear about it. the only thing to get their attention is another 9/11. i hate to say that. i understand another thing here. they didn t have enough to get these guys on terrorism charges. three cities, cover them 24/seven. not sure how they picked them up. i can surmise. now according to the statement they will kick them out. they aren t arrested here which means you are sending back eight terrorist operatives potentially into bad guy territory with knowledge of the area, with having done recon, they know the train and bus routes and have funding. this is exactly what you don t want. this is what we re enabling through our southern border. dana: what about the burden and strain on law enforcement and intelligence offices around the country then? regular stuff to deal with and how much more pressure does this put on top of them? a ton. you aren t getting the help from the federal government you want. that s why wray was on the hill advocating for the f.b.i. funding not to get cut because he needs the bodies. this is a perfect example. eight people out there talking about bombs. they picked them up on a wiretap. i don t know if it s fisa or not. you say to yourself okay. talking about bombs. they killed 144 people in moscow, isis-k. none can be out of our sight. teams to cover eight people 24/seven. if they get away you ll have to answer to the man and to yourself. bill: not just christopher wray, merrick garland and there was a piece written. you mentioned the attack in moscow. that was low-tech terror. all they used was semi automatic weapons and took out a ton of people. based on what you know about sting operations, how do you know where the go signal is? you hear them mention the word bomb or shooting. how do you know to make good question. let me tell you how this went. they had three different teams coordinated in three different cities. an umbrella over it run out of washington. at some point you go up high enough and get to the one person who will make the call. the one person making the call certainly in the counter terrorism division in washington is looking out over the field here waiting to get probable cause to federal terrorism arrests. that s what you want. that s the big hammer. you can hang onto these guys and get phones and coms and talk to them and maybe flip somebody. what happened here is they hit the end of the line and had to make a call this is getting dangerous and we don t have what i just described. i m not giving anything up by that. very clearly they are only in ice custody pending deportation. unless they develop somethinging through their devices what they had to do is move quicker than they wanted to because they were worried. and that is a very discomforting thing. bill: why you don t keep them here and prosecute them? if they get away, they have enough trade craft. we can t get a source into them, it is not going the way we want and maybe they lost one for a while and got nervous. at some point somebody says take it down. i m speaking we hit the f.b.i. plenty on this network and i have done it. that s their leadership. the rank and file i can guarantee you 40 f.b.i. agents and ice guys who were up all night probably for months making sure they put them to bed at night and wake them up in the morning. let s take them off the set however we can. i used to send guys to knock on a door and say hello as a message when i didn t just to say we know who you are. at some point you hit the end of the line and do something. dana: so much pressure. it reminds me of what president bush used to say. the terrorists only have to be right once. we have to be right however many times and it means the federal government should do what it can to give local law enforcement what it needs, which is first of all closing the southern border legitimately. we ve already let millions in and we don t know where and who they are. we don t know anything about them. the muslim band, a complete misnomeer. people coming in with a nation not cooperating with us and won t give us a background. we have no idea who they are. they were vetted. you know how long that took? seconds. what are you going to do, call the country and get background on these guys? not going to happen. bill: we ll lean on you soon. congressman mike waltz and jason crowe will join us on america s newsroom momentarily. dana: arrivals gate nightmare. hundreds of migrants sprawling across boston s logan airport using baggage claim as shelter and blankets as beds. the city is running out of options. housing capacity has been filled for months. what is the president doing to help the blue city? we don t know. molly line is at the airport with more. good morning. essentially boston s logan airport is flooded with migrants with no place else to go. a state where the shelter system is overwhelmed and has been for months now. overnight more than 100 migrants sleeping in the wide hallway here in the airport s terminal e, the sfwir national terminal. families and children running around crowded onto mats, blankets on the hard floors. the number of people using the logan airport has shelter has ebbed and flowed. headlines have been made in the news since january. it forced state leaders to take creative measures to find housing solution, mass hotel rentals and much more controversial measures like the cakeover of a community center in boston. a move that forced many of the programs that serve the city s disadvantaged youth to find new spaces and expected to reopen as summer gets underway. later this month a former minimum security prison in norfolk, massachusetts is slated to be repurposed opened as a temporary shelter for 450 people. cafeteria, gym, play spaces for children and classrooms for adults. massachusetts, it is a one-of-a-kind right to shelter state. a law here. under the historic strain of the new arrivals in april the state s democrat governor signed into law a nine month limit on how long families can reside in emergency shelters. it is worth noting there are a number of ways that families can extend their stays beyond that 90 days including meeting requirements for employment and job training and various medical conditions, pregnancy and disability status and educational disruption for children and that sort of thing. dana: thank you. we ll keep an eye on it. it is unfortunate he is convicted but him being the son is not what i m thinking. i m thinking that he did a bad thing and actions have consequences. bill: from the mouth of a juror speaking out on the decision to convict hunter biden. this as the president makes a surprise trip to comfort his son throwing his travel plans off for a bit. seems to me he was trying to point a lot of fingers to other individuals or bodies to try to deflect some of the accountability. dana: former new york governor andrew cuomo shifting the blame for nursing home deaths during covid. what he told lawmakers on capitol hill. bill: scary moments in new york city. mass protestors giving an ultimatum to those riding a subway. raise your hands if you re a zionist. this is your chance to get out. okay, no zionists, we re good. shop our expanded family of products at major online retailers. okay everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy. yay - woo hoo! ensure, with 27 vitamins and minerals, nutrients for immune health. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. ( ) bill: a russian naval warship arriving in havana, cuba, where they ll conduct military exercises for a period of time. interesting to note putin given his threats last week against western european countries and united states using our military weapons on behalf of ukrainians inside russia. there are hypersonic missiles that are on board these naval ships out of russia. just a story to watch and keep an eye on as they go through this for the next several days and possibly longer. putin is sending a message here in our hemisphere as well. 19 past. dana: hamas responding to a u.s. banked cease-fire proposal. it has not accepted or rejected the deal. israel has signaled its openness to the plan but stopped short of endorsing it. alex hogan is live from london with the latest. hi. so u.s. secretary of state antony blinken finished speaking about hamas s response saying some of the proposed changes are workable. some simply are not. hamas waited nearly two weeks and then proposed more changes. a number of which go beyond positions that it previously had taken and accepted. u.s. says it is evaluating hamas s response now. egypt and qatar released joint statements saying they re working together to coordinate how to move forward. israel fired back saying it s a rejection. also follows news reported by the wall street journal in leaked messages from hamas leader sinwar that said hamas has the upper hand and thousands of civilian casualties are, quote, necessary sacrifices. israel today releasing this video of the idf taking out what it says was a command center in lebanon. one of the most senior hamas commanders was killed. comments from blinken, he says in the following weeks we ll hear more information what will come next a day after reconstruction and how to make the pause in the fighting a cease-fire a long lasting end to the war. dana: alex, thank you. we have two very different opinions on what happened during covid. i think the federal government failed this nation and it was abyss mal. bill: andrew cuomo passing the buck in the early days of covid policies. it forced nursing homes to take patients who had tested positive for the virus and many argue that decision led to needless more deaths. maybe thousands of them. republican nichole malliotakis from new york is with me now and she was in the room yesterday. good morning to you. what were you able to determine, do you think? maybe something you either didn t know before or maybe gave you confirmation. shocking was the governor claiming he did not know anything about that march 25th order that his administration issued on a nursing homes to accept these individuals. i never heard that before that he completely did know it existed until a month later. when asked who authorized it, it was his letter and name and commissioner of health s name on the letterhead he said we don t know. i think it was probably done at the staff level. how is that possible that the governor of the state of new york who did 111 daily briefings basically got an emmy for his performance in these briefings knowing all the details of what was going on in new york state acting as the king of new york, did not know about this deadly mandate until a month latter when all the other local elected officials people like me and state legislature knew and telling the executive chamber about our concerns and the nursing homes were reaching out to all elected officials expressing the concern. what we learned yesterday is that he is not going to take accountability or apologize and when asked whether he would change that order today, knowing what he knows now with thousands of new yorkers, elderly new yorkers who were killed as a result, he said no. in fact, he would explain it more and communicate it more. nursing homes didn t understand they could reject people if they could not care for them. he didn t try to pivot the blame on the nursing homes who had no choice but to accept these people because the mandate language was clear. it was clear. they were forced to take these people whether they could care for them, whether they had the proper staffing levels or separate them positive or negative or whether they had the ppe. bill: let me a couple of things here. another sound bite from the governor maintaining his innocence. roll this first. department of justice found we did nothing wrong. the investigations found that the new york advisory was wholely consistent with the federal guidance set by cms and cdc. two investigations found exactly that, that what new york did was implement the federal guidance. bill: i imagine he said a lot of that behind closed doors. the numbers in new york. covid confirmed deaths at nursing homes, 6926. confirmed out of facility deaths 4600. presumed deaths at the nursing home. the numbers are staggering just shy of 15,000. you mentioned this directive on the 25th of march. is it possible between his daily briefings that began on march 2nd and went through june 19th, is it possible we just did not understand enough about the virus at that time? well, look, i think you could give the benefit of the doubt if the language was not written as it was. the cms and cdc guidelines were very clear making a recommendation that you could accept patients who were being discharged from the hospitals into a nursing home setting if you had the ability to separate and care for them in the proper staffing levels. his mandate was not a recommendation, it was they shall do it and that they could not test them to see if they were positive before accepting them. they literally prohibited the nursing homes from testing these patients to see if they were still positive before accepting them and no ability in this mandate to reject a nursing home patient if you could not care for them. that was the biggest issue. they were not given the proper ppe to deal with the issue at hand. so the governor again deflecting and pointing fingers. the buck stops with him accountability. bill: will there be a public hearing? i believe so. i think there is a lot of questions that a lot of things that were discrepancies between what his administration officials told us and what the governor said yesterday and also did not use the additional measures that were set up. u.s. navy comfort ship and java center. it was here. didn t get patients. thank you for your time and see what comes of it. it was the story in new york that shut down the entire country. i believe it to this day but it started here. thank you for your time and we ll talk again. dana. dana: president biden looking for legitimacy on the world stage following his son s conviction. can he pull his son s legal troubles in the rearview mirror? 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we have the story from atlanta. as housing prices and interest rates increase, the renter market is heating up. corporate investors are trying to get in on the action buying up large numbers of starter homes in booming real estate markets especially in the sun belt. the situation was studied in atlanta which leads the nation in this trend. everyone rental homes are owned by institution investors, which means more than 1,000 homes nationwide. these are really big corporations. experts say it drives up home prices in surrounding neighborhoods and makes it harder for individuals and families to get in. that can be tough competition for first time home buyers, investors come in with more cash and buying outright with cash on bigger down payments and a more competitive offer. they recommend small home buyers study loan options and get pre-approval to make an immediate offer. institutional investors is a smaller and growing trend of building new homes for the sole purpose of renting them. new build to rent homes surged from just over 6700 in 2019 to more than 27,000 last year with t the while less is known about the short term impact of this, some experts believe there will be a long-term benefit because it is creating more housing stock, which is something we desperately need in this country. and sooner or later, corporate landlords do become sellers. bill. bill: i guess that s true. that s the market. thanks, jonathan serrie in atlanta for that. thank you. can t help but think [inaudible] focus more on what the defense and prosecution are saying. so that s basically what i try i try to block the rest of it out and just [inaudible]. dana: hunter biden found guilty in his federal gun case and the president making a surprise trip to delaware embracing his son on the tarmac showing support before he went to italy today. they put out a statement. jill and i love our son and so proud of the man he is today. so many families who have had loved ones battle addiction understand the feeling of pride seeing someone you love come out the other side and be so strong and resilient in recovery. want to bring in our panel. andrew cherkasky, former federal prosecutor and tim murtaugh. tim, we ve had legal analysis. you wrote a touching and thoughtful tweet thread yesterday or x post thread because you are a recovering addict and wrote a book about that and open about what it has been like but you also understand politics. let s get your take this morning on how you woke up thinking about it today. well, i appreciate you having me on, dana and mentioning the book. i wrote it called swing hard. my life in politics and battling with alcohol and so i do have empathy and sympathy for hunter biden and his family. i know what it is like to be an addict. my drug of choice was alcohol. and the toll it takes on family and what i put my family, wife, parents, brother, everybody through during it. i have empathy for joe and jill biden as well. alcoholism or addiction is not about it s not a defense against all other criminal activity. i was convicted of two duis. i pled guilty. i couldn t go into court and say i was guilty of driving under the influence but in my defense i was drunk at the time. it doesn t work and should not be a shield. the fact that hunter is an addict. i have sympathy for him being an addict. it should not be used as a shield to protect the rest of the bidens from his involvement in the criminal enterprise that i believe the biden family has been engaged on. they sent hunter out to be the bag man representing the family to collect millions of dollars from foreign interests and i actually believe the d.o.j. is prosecuting this gun crime so that they don t have to go after the crimes that lead directly to joe. this gun crime is the only crime that you can charge hunter biden with that does not lead back to his father, the president of the united states, who also happens to be the ultimate boss of the prosecutors making this decision. so yes, i have empathy. bill: swing hard in case you hit it is the name of the book. well stated. andrew, it defies logic. a year ago you had a probation only case and he walked away from it. a year ago he would have had immunity from further legal jeopardy. now what do you have? a conviction yesterday and now you have the tax issue in september in california. i think that hunter biden s decision to plead not guilty and take it to trial has proven politically disastrous for the biden family at large. it proves once and for all the biden family effective interfered with the 2020 election by covering up that laptop. coming in as evidence this laptop that was declared to be russian disinformation in the lead-up to the 2020 election. things the left media and social media stripped from the internet and stripped from the airwaves proves to be quite true. in fact, the d.o.j. using it as a piece of evidence in this trial. it is hard to imagine that joe biden never said to his son, who is so close with, is that laptop real? is that your laptop? hunter biden knew all along that was his laptop as those 51 intelligence officers came forward, as joe biden denied it, as the media quashed that story. i think it is a really telling thing. time tends to dilute the impact of lies but what we have this conviction we have to turn back the clocks a little bit and see what this conviction means in light of what happened back in 2019 and 2020. dana: the chances of them winning on appeal are what, andrew? the second amendment issue is quite interesting here. it is currently up scheduled to be in front of the supreme court the 5th circuit had an interesting case on this dealing with marijuana. the applicable of the second amendment with folks who had past drug addiction and drug use is ambiguous. hunter biden s case is the prime example where you have somebody with frequency and recent to the gun purchase. i think that s a prime case where the law should apply. but there is some debate about the broadness and ambiguity of the law in concert and in consideration of the second amendment. that s an nra point that hunter biden took. bill: we ll bring you back between now and september. thanks for sharing your story, tim. dana reads sports. dana: so usa basketball defending its decision to leave caitlin clark off the olympic roster. the chair of the committee said it would be irresponsible for us to talk about her in a way other than how she would impact the play of the team because it wasn t the purview of our committee to decide how many people would watch or how many people would root for the u.s. it was our purview to create the best team we could for coach cheryl reeve. she is 15th in the wnba and first amongst rookies. bill: she has time. not the end of the world. she will be a player. she already is. maybe they will regret not having her. maybe they go and bring home gold. dana: maybe we could have her on fox and do color commentary for me so i understand what s going on. bill: we ll work on that. apparently they were arguing about something. bill: you had a commute home ending in a fatal tragedy. a gunman jumped on board a bus in atlanta. chase ensued and it was a mess. three decades in prison. pamela smart is making a stunning claim about the murder of her husband for the very first time. now that i am older and able to look back on things, i can see so many errors i made and how skewed my judgment was and how im mature i was. because there are places you d like to be. farxiga can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. far-xi-ga but st. jude has gotten us through it. st. jude is hope for every child diagnosed with cancer because the research is being shared all over the world. arthritis pain? 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- [announcer] call right now to receive your free no-obligation info kit. call the number on your screen. page number 9s1307. crime of conspiracy to commit murder. is the defendant guilty or not guilty? guilty. bill: guilty verdict 33 years ago. pamela smart now taking responsibility for the murder of her husband. she was a former teacher convicted in 1991 of having an affair with a teenager and convincing him to kill her husband. now she is acknowledging her, quote, warped logic in a prison writing class. in those spaces is where i found myself responsible for something i desperately didn t want to be responsible for, my husband s murder. i had to acknowledge for the first time in my own heart and mind how responsible i was because i had deflected blame all the time. bill: wow. william flynn was a teenager who pulled the trigger. been a free man for the last nine years and served 25 years behind bars. pamela believes it is her time releasing the apology video she pleads for a sentence reduction from the governor of new hampshire. what is case that was and what a case it is again today. dana: eight suspected terrorists discovered to have crossed the southern border illegally heightening concerns about the border crisis posing a major security threat throughout the country. both these men sit on the intelligence and foreign affairs committee and good to have you here. pull this from the foreign affairs piece. it says that terrorism warning lights are blinking red again. echoes of the run-up to 9/11 written by ellison and mer yell. fortunately the united states has learned a great deal how to combat terrorist threats including threats not yet well defined. president joe biden and his administration should now use that playbook. i want to bring it up. jason, congressman from colorado, we just had the news about the eight terrorists arrested in ice custody coming across the southern border illegally fully vetted and only after that that local law enforcement caught onto it and it got to the point they could be detained. what is your level of concern? what could you share with the american people from your intel committee point of view? well, a couple of takeaways here. one i want to applaud the work of federal law enforcement for doing a superb job and local law enforcement for finding these suspected terrorists and in doing what they need to do to protect our country and our community. number two, this just continues to underscore the need for us to take up the bipartisan border bill. we need to secure the border. the border is not where it needs to be. there is no doubt about that. we need a comprehensive solution to that. i applaud the president for passing his executive order to clamp down on the border and now we need to fund it. he is limited what he can do without congressional action and time to move the bipartisan deal forward. dana: congressman waltz so many people have come across illegally. possibly vetted but we have hundreds of thousands if not millions of gotaways. we don t know who they are or where they are. we rely on tips for local law enforcement to move it up the chain. it feels like an overwhelming problem. your thoughts now. well, i think every american should be concerned. i, too, commend federal law enforcement for disrupting this isis plot. but with millions and millions coming across our border, dana, with the f.b.i. director saying he has never seen the threats this loud, i fear that it is just a matter of time until we re hit. today is the anniversary of pulse nightclub attack eight years ago outside my district in florida. that individual was on the terrorist watch list and killed almost 50 americans in a shooting. we now have over 400 people on the terrorist watch list that have come across our southern border and somewhere in america. and i want to tell director wray, go talk to the dhs secretary right down the street, mayorkas and shut the border down. and respectfully, i disagree having executive order that still allows 2500 a day or legislation that allows nearly 5,000 a day, that s nearly a million a year across our border, is unacceptable. we have to secure it before it is too late and we suffer another attack like post nightclub or god forbid another niefsh lev. dana: great for everyone to see the two of you on different sides of the aisle and same committee working toward important common goals. we ll watch the international criminal court and what you are trying to do to push them back after they went after israel. thank you so much. i want to leave here with this video. michael waltz, you jumped out of a plane on d-day and we thank you both for your service. here we go. along with jason crowe. a bipartisan jump. bipartisan jump with ten other members of congress and everybody came back safe and sound to honor our forefathers. dana: i didn t know you jumped as well. i m so proud. have a good time at the game if you go as guests since you are not players tonight. bill: good stuff. take me out to the ballgame and take me straight to jail. from cincinnati last night get a load of this. a fan runs on the field during the reds, guardians game. does a black flip. kicks off the cop s hat and charged with criminal trespassing and obstructing official business and that was that. it didn t last long. dana: they will prosecute him, right? 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(roommate) i did. bill: a chicago alderman fed up with surging crime among teenagers is now calling for a curfew downtown. but the democratic mayor is not on board this move. garrett tenney is in the windy city to tell us what s up. hello. this curfew would make it illegal for teenagers to be downtown after 8:00 p.m. without an adult and if requested it would require a parent or guardian to come down and pick it up. if it passes it hopes to prevent the teen take overs where crowds of young people commit crimes like the brutal attack on a husband and wife on their way home from dinner by more than a dozen teens just a couple of weeks ago. alderman brian hopkins says right now there is little deterrence for those teens who want to come downtown to cause trouble because they know they can get away with it. the arrest is always a last resort. not something that we want to do. but it is one of the limited tools that we have to use to get some respect for authority right now, which respect for authority is at all-time lows. mayor brandon johnson is against the new curfew. he told the chicago sun times editorial board all the data indicates that setting arbitrary curfews don t lead to any positive results. it is notable that while the mayor says curfews don t work the city has a 10:00 p.m. curfew in place for teens downtown enacted a couple of years ago. so far mayor johnson has chosen to keep that curfew in place. bill: convention is nine weeks from today. garrett tenney in downtown chicago. thank you. dana: president biden seeking legitimacy on the world stage one day after his son, hunter, became a convicted felon and two weeks before his first 2024 debate with former president donald trump. we are counting down already for that. welcome to a new hou
you have donald trump who takes and weaponize is the seats of government, the seats of power, and embarks on a campaign of political intimidation in order to secure outcomes that personally benefit him. that at the core is part of the stakes of our democracy that are before us today. once rule of law goes out the window, it s not something that is easy to get back. it s very much a part of the decision we have to make in the next few months. thank you for all your time tonight. that s all in on this tuesday night . night . tuesday night. good evening, alex. we have some new exclusive audio from the supreme court historical society that lauren windsor has given us and we ll be playing that in the hour so stay tuned. will. like i said exclusive never before heard audio recordings of justice samuel alito speaking to an undercover progressive activist. that s what we have tonight. that is in addition to the bombshell reportings that were released poyesterday, and you l definitely want to hear these recordings when we play them. if you ve been wondering how those secret tapes were made in the very first place, how activists and judges on the highest court in this land, how they camehi to mingle behind closed doors, well, the answer to that begins almost ten years ago to this day, when the supreme court handed down a major decision. supporters of the hobby lobby cheered today s victory. the oklahoma family that owns the chain of 500 craft stores claimed that providing insurance coverage for some forms of contraceptives under obamacare would be the equivalent of paying for abortion. the court called the ruling startling. the hobby lobby decision. the majority opinion was written by justice amsl alito, and it was one of the first signs that conservatives on this court were willing to go after reproductive freedoms no matter the consequence. now, in the wake of the dobbs decision ten years later hobby lobby seems like the canary in the coal mine in more ways than one. in novemberys 2022 the new yor times offered key reporting about how the hobby lobby decision came to be. for years before the court heard the case, conservative christians have been engaged in a campaign called operation higher court. that operation was to personally court and influence the supreme court sth conservative justice. the effort was spearheaded by a man named reverend robert shank, who woulder recruit christian couples, who he called stealth missionaries, to gain access to theto judges and to impress upo themes the importance of conservative christian values. here s how the new york times described one of their strategies. reverend schenk gave his stealth missionary close instruction. the justice were more likely to let their guard down at the supreme court historical society s annual dinners because they were sure they d be properly vetted. see a justice, boldly approach, he told the couples. if given the opportunity bear witness to biblical truth but don t push it, he said. your presence alone at had historical society h events telegraphs a very important signal to the justices christians are concerned about the court and the issues that come before it. that strategy appears to have paid off. according to the times reporting some of schenk s stt missionaries were able to build enough of a relationship with justice alito and his wife, marketa anne, that they obtainea advanced notice of the court s hobby lobby decision before the camebb out. that breach, that unprecedented breach foreshadowed the leaked dobbs decision striking down roe eight yearswn later. and that specific strategy of using the supreme court s annual society historic dinners as a way tost gain access to supreme court justices, well, it turns out that, too, is velerant again just this week. it s a yearly event where wealthy donors give money to a non-profit dedicated to preserving the court s history, and in ouexchange for their mon, those donors get to rub shoulders with some of the justice and their spouses. as it turns out, conservatives weren t the only ones in on this tidy little arrangement. last week progressive activist lauren winder who happens to be a member of the historic society bought a ticket for the event. when she got in, she pretended to be a conservative donor, attending the event with her husband. ms. windsor approached some of the supreme court justices and secretly recorded her conversations with them. nbc news has not heard the full tape of what was recorded so we cannot say for full certain if edits were made if any were actually made. tonight we have some brand new audio from that event to play for you. and when you hear these new tapes, you will hear something familiar to what was on the tapes released yesterday. a justice, in this case justice alito, who is aggrieved and frustrated, who is nakedly partisan and totally unconcerned by appearing to be all those things in front of a total stranger. remember what we heard yesterday. as a catholic and as someone who, like, really cherishes my faith, i just don t i don t know that we can negotiate with the left in the way that, like, needs to happen for the polarization to end. i think that it sti a matter of like, winning. i think you re probably right. on one side or the other one side or the other is going to win.oi i don t know. i mean, there can be a way of working, a way of living together peacefully, but difficult, you know, because there are differences on fundamental things that really can t be compromised. they really can t be compromised, so it s not like you re going tomi split the difference. and that s what i m saying. it s just, i think that the solution really is, like, winning the moral argument. like people in the country who believe in god have got to keep fighting for that to return our country tot a place of godline. i agree with you. i agree with you. remember at this closed door cocktail party ms. winder was also able to get justice alito s wife, martha anne, to justify flying the two flags in front of their homes. these recordings this week would seem to suggest mrs. alito has no shame about what she be been doing here, in fact quite the opposite. she made clear these flags she flieshe are explicitly her formf resistance and response. you know what i want?at i want a sacred heart of jesus flag because i have to look across the lagoon at the pride flag next month. exactly. and he s like oh, please don t put up a flag, and i said i won t do it because i m deferring to you. but when you re free of this nonsense, i m putting it up. i made a flag in my head, this is how i satisfy myself. i made a flag, it s white and it s yellow and orange flames aroundd it, and in the middle the word vergonia. vergonia in italian means shame. just to be clear justice alito hasr publicly stated his wife did not fly these flags to associate herself with the stop the steal movement or any other group, but it seems quite clear from that clip haze wife very much sees this flags as a form of political expression and a response to what she believes are liberal attacks. perhaps most concerning in these recordings, though, is martha-ann alito s five year plan for revenge. there s a five year defamation statute of limitations. i don t know what you mean by them. the media. martha-ann alito says she has a plan to get back at the media by suing for defamation and she thinks she ll have an opportunity to do that in the next five years when she s free of all this nonsense? is she telling all of us here about justice alit opg s retirement plans? and how concerned should we be a supreme court justice s spouse is talking about the american media with open contempt? tonight we have brand new audio from that same event where justice alito himself thinks what he thinks about the fourth estate, the press. the other voice you ll hear on this tape is an associate of lauren windsor s who was also as this event. i justis wanted to ask you w do you think the supreme court is so is being so attacked and being soso targeted by the media? well, i think it s a simple reason. theyle don t like our decisions and they don t like how they anticipate we may decide some cases that areom coming up. that s the beginning and the end of it, and there are there are groupst, that are very well-funded by ideological groups that haveic spearheaded these attacks. that s what it is. like who? propublica. propublica, gets a lot of you know, gets a lot of money. and they have spent a fortune investigating clarence thomas, for example. but they you know, they look for any little thing they can find, and they try to make something out of it. nbc news reached out for comment from both samuel alito and his wife martha-ann alito but we ve not heard back. lauren, thank you for being here. i knowk r you ve had a busy weo far. we re so appreciative of all that you ve said thus far and all that you have toou share wi us tonight. let me first start with the new sound your organization or your colleague has given us. there are two parts of this new this new tape that strike me as concerning. the first is justice samuel alito saying that the media is attacking him because the media doesn t like how they anticipate the court has decided decided cases and may decide upcoming cases. was that a window into what may be coming down the pike in the next two weeks? how did you interpret that? te i mean i definitely interpreted it as being a harbinger for bad thing tuesday come. did you get the sense when he was talking about the media and thenou specifically citing propublica, for example, on their extensive investigative reporting about clarence thomas alito is reading that these stories are very much beingor shared behind closed dos at the supreme court? i mean his media awareness seemed to be relatively high. oh, it s very high. and he already had a sense of grievance when i first spoke with him in 2023, but it was much more pronounced this year in the two conversations that both ali and i had with him. i k we talk about the context here? the fact is you and your colleague both had conversations with the alitos. for those of us who haven t been to the supreme court historical society events, is this what happens at, them? we now have two bombshell reports about conversations, advocacy campaigns happening between attendees andpp justices on the supreme court. it s interesting. i actually read that initial report in the the new york times about reverend schenk, and that s part of what played into my going in the first place, but i didn t read that report and think i should become a member now. it really was incited by the propublica reporting on clarence thomas. andngcl it s interesting that justice alito wants to rail about theha money taken by propublica for investigating, you know, public servants why clarence thomas is not disclosing millions of dollars in gifts from gop donors, and i have no idea what propublica s finances are, but as someone who is an independent journalist, i would imagine that the money that clarence thomas has taken probably rivals the budget of propublica in any given year. yeah, i mean it s such a good point. what did you hear in alito s sort of explanation for that? did you hear it almost seems as if there s certainly no contrition, but there s notce en ant acknowledgement that there was any wrongdoing on the part of clarence thomas in accepting potentially millions of dollars in unspecified gifts from conservativepe donors. i mean, you know, it s not verbatim but it s almost verbatim. making something out of any little thing i don t understand any little thing to be, you know, buying my mother s house or paying for my nephew s tuition or getting a free rv loan. and these are all things that he s accepted from gop donors. so it would be a much different story if this was just about vacations he was taking with harlan crow and his wife and family. most people would write it off as, oh, it was a trip. most people would not consider traveling with friends or associates as being something that s that big of a deal, but that s not actually what we re talkingot about with clarence thomas, is it? no, it s other order of magnitude we ve seen and it s been going on for years. you just a random member of the historical society is able to get even within shoulder rubbing distance of a justice and then grow him into conversation about some of the most incendiary topics of this country, which is the c partisan divide. how did it actually unfold when you were in the room with the justice? so it should be stated that in the guidance for the event thate historical society says you broach topics gnat are before the court, it may be grounds for you to be kicked out. so there was definitely a deliberative process in how do i approach someone in that you know, not only are judges supposed to be really the height of discretion, the height of, you know, judgments, right, this is the highest court in the land. this ishe aou supreme court jus, so i definitely went into this assuming i was not going to get anything newsworthy. in 2023 i did not get anything newsworthy, but i thought, you know, throughout the year that transpired, the media scrutiny on justice alito has intensified so much, and his grievance level is probably so much more peaked that unlike clarence thomas who did not show up to this dinner but has been reported to have shown up to it many times, and he didn t show up in 2023, by the way, that justice alito would probably attend anyway even though he was undergoing this very intense media glare, and sure enough he was there. and i think it was just something that i can t say what was in his mind, so i don t know if in 2023 he had the same level of grievance and, you know, it changed over the coursg of the year. sure. there s a couple options there. you know, did it changeorally was it always there and he just felt more comfortable? was it hard to get him to talk? at the very end of this conversation he says are you a lawyer? i think he s talking toou ali, yourki colleague. i mle not sure if it s you or h, but it s not as if you offered any biographical information other than you had a husband who s in the room. and i wondered how you got that piece of information. did you go up to him and start talking tort him? so the reason why i brought up my husband is that in 2023 i came with a male friend, so the context of it was we had a conversation after dinner in 2023 my male friend was with me, he was not with me in 2024, so when i saw justice alito solo it was one-on-one, it was, hi there, my husband really wants to let you know that we re rooting for you, you know, that you really have all the grit. and the reason why i said you have all the grit if it doesn t stick out tot people, this is because donald trump had tweeted something out about how there should be more justices like samuel alito with the grit that samuel alito has. and so i felt like it was kind of a flag, if you will to alito, that it was a safe space for him. a safe space, yes. i was trying to signal to him very coyly without saying trump because itit goes back to the w to broach a conversation with someone who has the highest level of discretion, you can t talk about partisanis politics. if i had walked up to him and started t talking about joe bid or donald trump, he would have shutdown. so talking about polarization was really a a way into the conversation that wasn t aggressive but also t indicativ of what he s really trying to get at, which is he acting on bias? and ie really do believe that e american peopleo deserve to kn is the supreme court so compromised that we do not really have impartiality, the bedrock of our judicial system. i think hearing it from his mouth that he cannot be impartial,nn that there are this that cannot be compromised. that needs to be fuel to tell us, look, what is it that can be compromised? you brought us into an environment and these tapes are regulatory and coming at a time of crisis for this court. it is we re not done having this conversation. thank you for bringing some of that conversation to our air. we re really appreciative. thanks for spending some time with me tonight, lauren windsor. thank you, alex. coming up this hour we have new details about trump s presentencing meeting with his probationth officer. turns out he is being treated differently, just maybeea not i the way he d like you to believe. but first hunterto biden joined donald trump in becoming a convicted felon facing possible jail time. does that mean the system is now unrigged? we ll get into n the republican response coming up next. get int response coming up next. president biden s son, hunter biden was found guilty today on three federal gun charges. you may think the maga conspiracy about president biden rigging the justice system, maybe you thought that s going to collapse. it did not. today is the first step for delivering accountability for the biden crime family. you ve been saying two tier system of justice, and here is the president s son being convicted. it doesn t. every case is different, and clearly the evidence is overwhelming here. do you think the department of justice is still weaponized against conservatives even though we still see this verdict here today? absolutely. when they tell there are school moms they re domestic terrorists because they don t like what s being taught in their classrooms and others things we can go into it but we can go into it, but we won t. a trump s campaign statement said hunter biden s trial nothing but a distraction of the real crimes of the biden crime family. republican james comer said the work will not be done until the department of justice investigates everyone involved in the biden s corrupt influence peddling schemes. this conviction is apparently a distraction from the real crimes of it biden crime family. is that strategy going to work? today s conviction was awkward. it was awkward for the talk this was all rigged, the biden justice department is rigged only against republicans, but we live in a world in which the reality and the facts have a hard time catching up with the spin. and you can see how deeply invested the republicans are about talking about the biden crime family. so it s not a shock they re going to continue to repeat those talking points over and over again, but i do think the contrast and reaction to the conviction of donald trump and the conviction of hunter biden has been very, very telling here. and, again, it s always difficult to know how it s going to play out. we may see this at the debate. i know the biden folks think this is going to come up at the debate. again, democrats have been making this point and the media have been making the point that, you know, there are a number of democrats who are facing indictments under under the biden justice department, not just the president s own son by a democratic senator, senator menendez, henry quer down in texas. if the system is so rigged, how do they explain that and the answer is they don t feel the need to explain at all, they re just going to go with the spin. when you talk about a reaction this was the statement from the president of the united states after his son is convicted of felonies. as i said last week i am the president but i m also a dad. squill and i love our son and we re so proud of the man he is today. so many families who have had loved ones battle adekz understand the feeling of pride seeing someone you love come out the other side and be so strong and resilient in recovery. as i also said last week i ll respect the outcome of this case and continue to respect the judicial process as hunter continues to appeal. jill and i will always lead our family with our love and support. nothing will change that. that a strong statement, a tough statement for a father to make, and i feel that undercuts whatever the republican argument is here about biden rigging the system among the voters that will actually matter this next election. well, there are three things there. number one, the conviction of hunter biden shows the system is not rigged. it also shows this is the way the rule of law looks. and president biden has also said you know, has said on the record he ll not use his pardon power if to free his son if hunter biden gets a prison sentence. and some people were skeptical about that, but i don t think there s any reason to doubt his word at this point. and again, this creates a really significant difference between the tantrum that donald trump and his supporters have thrown and the acceptance of the rule of law and the decision of a jury that was presented with all this evidence. the point you re making is who is this for right? almost everything republicans say is for the audience of one is for donald trump. this is what the base wants to hear, but that is not the group of voters who will be deciding this election. and i think embedded in biden s statement is a call to empathy, right, for those who have fallen, for people who have addiction and are trying to make it through, you know, a dark, dark period versus trump who is all grievance all the time. and, you know, i think we think we don t know a lot about where this country is headed, but really appealing to people s sense of forgiveness and empathy doesn t seem like a political strategy that has an expiration date. i don t know, am i being too soft here? no. and again, it s a very interesting contrast. if trump s super power and his shamelessness, his refusal to ever take responsibility or apologize, joe biden s super power and his empathy. and again, republicans aren t going to give him any credit for it, but i do think there are a lot of americans who are going to say this a tragic situations. there are questions about the hunter biden judgment and his behavior, but also what you re seeing from joe biden is this is what a father, a father who has lost his other son, how they would react to something like that. and i think there will be a sliver of the electorate, a crucial sliver going to look at that and say we understand that seems human to us, that seems like something we can identify with and admire as opposed to the constant conspiracy theories and the victim card playing and the really vicious attacks on the criminal justice system and the jury system coming from donald trump. yeah, it s a real choice ahead, and this is going to be very, very indicative of who we are as a country. charlie sykes, thank you again for your time, my friend. it s great to see you. thank you. still to come this evening we have some new reporting about what appears to be a coordinated effort to broadcast disinformation about this fall s election on your local newscast. plus, when it comes to trump s criminal conviction, republican need a reality check. we have one. that s next. d a reality check. we have 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refrain during his criminal trial in new york. the entire system is rigged against him. and yet the system really seems to be bending in his favor lately as we saw yesterday at his probation hearing. trump s interview lasted less than half an hour, and trump was allowed to attend the meeting over zoom from his mar-a-lago beach club in florida with his lawyer seated by his side. just for perspective here according to a statement released by multiple public defender groups in new york city, public defenders are deprived of joining their clients for these meetings. the options of joining these meetings virtually by zoom is typically not extended to the people we represent either. joining me now is duncan levine. he s now a criminal defense attorney. duncan, thanks for joining me to make sense of this madness here. first the circumstances of this probation interview. they sound relatively easy, maybe even cushy, but donald trump says everything is rigged against him. who s right? this is something that is so routine, it typically takes hours. and to the extent there s been things that have been different for him, they ve only been different in his favor. most defendants have to come there in person. it is a drab office. these things take hours. there are courts probation interviewed that took half an hour. this is the opportunity to ask on sentencing that don t come out in the trial. this is defendant so well vetted, but for most defendants the judge doesn t have a sense who they are as a person, what their family situation is, what their immigration status is. are they using drugs, who are they covorting with? so a lot of people know this about donald trump. you could say, well, half an hour maybe all you need, but the fact is this it is them doing their due diligence. to the extent it s all zoom, the extent it s rigged or different, it s only been in his favor. the only piece of this he likes bringing up is the presence in this case on the d.a. s side of a man named matthew colangelo. they ve used him to be the missing link between joe biden, the puppeteer of the justice department and alvin bragg who sought criminal charges against donald trump. this is how trump talked about michael. colangelo is a radical left from the doj who was put into the state working for litigious james and was then put into the district attorney s office to run the trial against trump. we ll take issue with the put into passive in that statement, but you have gone between the doj and the d.a. s office so you know what it s like i guess to be a plant. first of all, is that a normal thing that happens, and how in line with reality is this argument? yeah, and this is something that s also being ginned up on capitol hill a lot. and in a letter just today the department of justice said this was conspiratorial speculation. this is an attempt to undermine law enforcement and to sow distrust of the public and law enforcement function. first off manhattan d.a. s office and doj work together every single time. there are joint task forces on terrorism, on hate crimes. there are joint task forces that looks banks file of suspicious activity reports, and joint cases such as standard charter and ing and barclays. there are cases every day deconflicted between the department of justice. on the manhattan d.a. s office they don t arrest the same person or step on other s toes. robert, the most famous manhattan d.a. who served for 35 years from 1975 to 2010 prior to becoming elected as the manhattan d.a. was the united states attorney for the southern district of new york. so he was an obama plant. exactly. a stooge for the administration. this is all coming to a head on july 11th when there is the sentencing hearing for trump. and i guess i wonder what your expectation for that is and whether there s anything to be done around the cries of foul play and a rigged system that are inevitably going to come up no matter what trump is sentenced to. it s just such a hard decision for judge merchan, and you wouldn t wish it on your worst enemy. that being said it s a tough decision for him to make. the prosecution is definitely going to be asking for jail time. the it was is going to be asking for a sentence of the conditional discharge thing. there s going to be outcry on both sides no matter what it is. this is something a very difficult decision and i don t know there s any way through the political thicket of it other than to say this is judge who s really been around the block and he s going to be taking this seriously and fairly, and i think you ll see a sentence free of some of those political consideration, and it may be down the middle, but i think both sides will be able to make like a rorschach test, if you will, and they ll be able to argue around it, whatever it is. you re not giving me the inside dope on what you think it would be. i would never put you on the spot for that, duncan. but for all the cry we ve seen thus far it seems it s 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time he shouldn t be showing the map to someone without security clearance and told the person not to-look too closely at it. while the incident illustrates how allegedly cav clear trump was with classified information, prosecutors never charged trump with crimes involving sharing classified information, and now the judge has struck it from the indictment. joining me now is bradley moss, a national security attorney who routine lee represents federal officials and members of the military in matters pertaining to classified documents. bradley, how big of a deal is it for prosecutors that this map incident has been struck from the indictment? it s certainly not a critical factor. all this means is it s not sitting in what is otherwise known as a speaking indictment. it is still information that prosecutors can bring out at trial and almost certainly will litigate to ensure they can bring it out as sort of the evidence of a prior bad act strictly in the context of mr. trump s the intent, his motive, his desire, his willingness to conceal this information, that he knew he had these records, he knew he had classified documents. he knew he wasn t authorized to have them, and he was retaining them at mar-a-lago. this was a very minor victory for mr. trump, otherwise the motion was dismissed i m sorry, denied by judge cannon. the issue, of course, is that it took so long. this could have been resolved weeks ago. it never need today have taken this long. if it s not a significant win for trump is it indicative, though, of a broader tension between the special counsel s office and this judge? because throughout this case, and it seems like it s ratcheted up in recent months, there s maybe not a volley because it seems like it s coming from one side. the judge does not seem happy with jack smith or his team. yes, certainly the tensions continue to boil, and they ve reached the point that in a hearing just a few weeks ago it got to prosecutors were so upset and frustrated with their attempts to try to explain to judge cannon their view on the case law and how certain legal precedents applied, that the judge had to basically counsel them to calm down. none of us where there, i don t know how badly that got out of hand. but it s never a good sign if you re a lawyer if the judge is telling you to calm down. let s be honest where this is going. judge cannon for whatever reason has chosen to take a slow and methodical approach here. she hasn t granted donald trump anything of substance, but because of how she s dragged it out and how the classified portions of in particular are taking forever, this is guaranteed it never see the light of day, will never get to trial before people go to voting booth in november. that seems a guarantee. there s an open question whether we ll see the trial period but that s going to depend on politics. trump filed another motion today. this one says the fbi destroyed exculpatory evidence but not describing what the classified material was in proximity to nonclassified material and trump argued he didn t pack the boxes, he didn t know what was in there. how substantive is this? does it matter? i think it s a delay tactic at best they might get an evidentiary hearing. they want to have an evidentiary hearing to probe into huthis was conducted, how the boxes were organized this way, whether or not there s something to their allegations of bias and improperly storage. on the merits, it s garbage. it has nothing to do with terms of spoilation of evidence or obstruction of evidence, and it doesn t absolve trump of the idea he willfully retained the documents. he knew he had them in 2022 when he turned stuff over to the archives and they told him, hey, there s classified documents in this stuff. he knew he had them over the course of the next year talking to his lawyers and they told him to turn them over. he knew it when the fbi told him we keep finding stuff in the stuff you re turning over. it will in the way judge cannon handles things drag it out just a little bit more. a grand jury indictment came down on june 8, 2023. anyone s guess whether we get to the second anniversary. bradley moss, thank you so much for your time tonight. have a good night. that is our show for this evening. way too early with jonathan lemire is coming up next. this case was about the illegal choices the defendant made while in the throes of addiction, his choice to lie on a government form when he bought a gun and the choice to then possess that gun. no one in this country is above the law. everyone must be accountable for their actions, even
delay tactic. if hope at best they might get an evidencey hearing. how the boxes were organized this way. whether or not there is something of allegations of bias and improper storage. on on the merits, it doesn t absolve trump of the idea that he willfully retained the documents. he knew he had them in 2022. when he turned stuff over to the archives. he is talking with his lawyers they are telling him to turn it over. we keep finding stuff. it will not ultimately change anything. but it will quite possibly the way judge cannon handles things but it will drag things out a little more. we are at the first anniversary of the mar-a-lago case. anyone s guess whether we get to the second anniversary. bradley moss, thank you for your time tonight. have a good night. that is our show. now it is time for the last word with jonathan who is in for lawrence o donnell. good evening. i would love to know if we are going to have a classified documents case but who knows. prepare a sheet cake with the number not on the cake and eat it or not. let s just eat it anyway. have a good show. today, a jury convicted hunter biden, the only surviving son of president joe biden, oh three federal gun felonies. after a little less than three hours of deliberations, 12 jurors many president biden s home state of delaware agreed with prosecutors that hunter biden lied on a mandatory gun purchase form by saying he was not illegally using or addicted to drugs at a time when he was. president joe biden responded with this statement. as i said last week, i m the president. i am also a dad. jill and i love our son. and we are so proud of the man he is today. i will accept the outcome of this case and continue to respect 2 judicial process as hunter considers an appeal. joe and i will also be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that. he didn t attack the verdict. he didn t say it was rigged. no. all the wild and irresponsible reaction to the verdict today came from republicans. some of whom have embraced the conspiracy myth that the justice department charged and convicted hunter biden of these felony to misdirect from other crimes. bigly crimes. unnamed. unspecified. imagined biden crimes that are much bigger and badder than all the actual crimes donald trump is charged with. steven miller posted the hunter biden verdict was proof that doj is joe s election protection racket. the trump campaign called it a distraction from the real crimes. one right wing commenter thinks it was cover for the trump prosecution? you go after donald trump and hunter biden. okay. in republican s defense, you might go a little crazy, too, if you had to defend backing a known fraudster, sexual abuser and now 34-time convicted felon for president. in a new op ed, merrick garland denounced the republican attacks on the justice department. quote, they are baseless, personal, and dangerous. today the doj sent a let tore jim jordan to confirm there were no emails between any justice department officials and the office of manhattan district attorney alvin bragg. quote, the department has no control over the district attorney. the committee knows this. despite that, district attorney bragg has agreed to testify before the house on july 12th the day after donald trump s sentencing. a spokesperson for the manhattan da s office said it undermines the rule of law to spread dangerous misinformation following the full count felony conviction in people v trump. nonetheless, we respect our government institutions and plan to appear voluntarily before the subcommittee after sentencing. joining us now, neil, argued more than 50 cases before the supreme court. he is a professor at georgetown law, an msnbc legal analyst and host of the podcast court side. thank you so much for being here. so now, some republicans are pushing the hunter biden jury verdict as proof of a doj conspiracy. this is some kerry matheson red yarn over a cork board stuff. did you have that on your bingo card? it is almost impossible. the verdict today makes these conservative claims look ridiculous. for years these conservatives have been crowing about a politicized justice department. what happened today, the justice department convicted the president s own son. his only living son. imagine what that would take. the president gave you that job. you have the power as every attorney general does to end the prosecution. with the stroke of a pen. and you didn t do it. that s what the rule of law is all about. and, similarly, the constitution gives the president the power to pull the plug on any prosecution. that is part of article two. so biden, president biden could have absolutely ended this prosecution once and for all. he didn t do it. that s the test about someone who has convictions in the system. and when it is over, you didn t hear joe biden wining about a trump judge though the judge here is literally a trump judge appointed by trump. rather you heard the president saying he would accept the outcome of the case. i know no other word for that but presidential. he even went so far as to say he wouldn t pardon his son. we saw this with judge merchan and it is merrick garland s way too, trying to lower the temperature in the wake of these overthe top trump republican attacks. do you think he is responding proportionally to the trumpian all-out war on our justice system? i was really glad to see the attorney general s op ed today in the washington post saying look, what the department does is justify the rule of law and we do so fairly and impartially. that s the justice department that i saw jonathan when i worked there in two different administrations. and it is like why people respect this country so much. this morning i had the privilege of speaking at a naturalization ceremony for 150 new citizens from 54 countries and what do they respect about america? they respect exactly a verdict like this. even the president s own son could be convicted by the president s justice department and the president s prosecution arm because this president respects the constitution and respects the rule of law. unlike some of these republicans who spit on this every chance they can. what do you expect to see when mat hat tan da alvin bragg testifies? i expect to see a big nothing. all sorts of innuendo related to how joe biden helped orchestrate the felony conviction of his own son though it was overseen by a trump appointed special council. and adjudicated by a trump judge. i m sure we will hear cray-cray like that. the justice department said today there was no communication between the prosecutor who is the centerpiece of these crazy conspiracy theories and the justice department. zero. none. so have the hearing by all means. that is part of congress responsibilities. but it would be nice to have some facts in these hearings. be nice to have some. but i m not expecting any. thank you for coming to the last word. thank you. so, here is how you know trump knows it could get much worse for him. he is a dumb son of a [bleep] convicted felon trump indicted for his unsuccessful attempt to overturn the 2020 election praised the january 6th rioters who attacked the capitol calling them warriors. those j6 warriors were warriors but they were victims of what happened. all they were doing is protesting a rigged election. that s what they were doing. while trump was ranting in las vegas sunday, president biden was returning from france after commemorating the 80th anniversary of d-day. the biden campaign has released this ad slamming former president trump for being a draft dodger. a good commander-in-chief is somebody who gives a [bleep]. i served in the united states marine corp. i m ed mccabe. i served from the 1990s until 2014. i m matthew mclaughlin. it is the first time i m shaking the hands of a president of the united states. it was pretty impactful to me to see an individual that supports troops not just on the battlefield but when we return home. i see a man in joe biden who accepts accountability and responsibility and when i see his predecessor donald trump, i see a man who is only in this for himself. who criticizes veterans. who doesn t see it important for him to go to the funerals. donald trump has zero accountability in his life. he is a draft dodger. simple as that. yesterday, draft dodger donald trump sat for his first probation hearing as a convicted felon. a mandatory requirement before his sentencing july 11th. meanwhile, president biden held a white house event commemorating juneteenth. a federal holiday he established in 2021 to recognize the emancipation of enslaved african americans after the civil war. in his remarks, president biden reminded the audience why black history is still so important. let s be clear. they are all ghosts trying to take us back. taking away your freedoms, making it harder for black people to vote. closing doors of opportunity. attacking the values of diversity. equity and inclusion. banning books about black experiences. trying to erase and rewrite history. it is not just about the past. it s about our present and our future. it is whether that future is a future all of us, not just for some of us. folks, black history is american history. black history is american history. joining us now, former assistant democratic leader in the house of representatives, congressman james cleiburn. a cochair of the biden harris 2024 campaign. congressman, always great to see you. welcome back to the show. i was at the juneteenth event last night and president biden has touted the inflation reduction act. lowering drug prices. but listen to how roy wood jr. talked about that achievement. we have legislation for cheaper prescription drugs. insulin is down to $35 if you are a senior. i don t know if anybody here has paid for insulin before. but that is like the bottle service of prescription drugs so we appreciate that $35 right there. i love the relatable roy wood jr. used to break it down. it is funny, but telling a policy success story. does the campaign need to do more of that? well thank you very much for having me. absolutely. we have to get this out there. this administration has a record that is unequal even cannot be imagined. by a lot of people who thought about these things as we went into the last election. this administration with this rescue plan has brought young children out of poverty. with this infrastructure bill is put in $65 billion for internet when we had no money for infrastructure in the previous administration. the chipping science act. it is inflation reduction act. all of these things people said could not be done. joe biden did them. and i get a little irritated when i hear people telling me well, he isn t talking loud enough. he didn t show the kind of energy we want. we are about substance. substance. not style. that is what will move this country forward. that is what will leave for our children and grandchildren a country to be proud of. real substance. you can talk loud. you can misrepresent. you can prance around. but, the question is, what are you doing? i used to listen to my dad s sermons and one of the things i learned early, it is their deeds that get them. not their words. if you get caught up on the words, they will pay any attention to the deeds, you might believe in donald trump. but if you are all about deeds, you will be supporting this president. this administration. biden and harris. let s talk about, some more deeds. because today, the biden administration announced that medical debt can no longer be considered in credit scores. president biden has made debt elimination one of his pitches on the campaign. but new polling shows americans are split on student loan forgiveness. three in ten adults approve while four in ten disapprove. how concerned are you about those polling numbers we see on the screen right there? i think it is because people have misrepresented this whole thing about student loan debt elimination. joe biden, if you look at the program, he made it very clear. we are talking about eliminating this compounded interest. and all these things that have accumulated beyond what the original debt was. i have a constituent. not a black constituent. a constituent in north charleston who wrote a letter to the president with a copy to me. his original loan was $60,000. over the years he has paid back nearly $200,000 because of compounded interest. and paying for it for more than 20 years. and still owed money. so when he eliminated that debt, it was on the compounded interest. not the original loan. and people need to look at that. when i hear senator romney says that this was a bad deal, how can it be a bad deal? the principle is paid back a long, long, long time ago. these people are paying compounded interest that has been put out there by people who are making money when the original principle was paid back a long time ago. so that is what is going on here. so nobody is paying anybody s debt. they paid off the debt. the compound interest people are collecting and putting people in the poor house as we say down south. let me get you on one more thing. let s talk comments that entertainment 50-cent made on capitol hill last week. listen to this. i said i m identifying with trump. why do you say that? because they got rico charges. congressman, your reaction, black men are moving to trump because they have rico charges? look. he should have been with me last saturday night at this south carolina naacp freedom fund dinner. 100% support for joe biden. not one single person in there, male or female, for donald trump. should have been with me at greater target memorial ame church on sunday morning. 100% for joe biden. not a single person there. for donald trump. i don t know where 50-cent is hanging out. but i hang out with the naacp. i hang out with the black community. back faith community, and i don t see any support for donald trump. these people are not worried about rico, they are worried about their children s student loan debt. they are worried about the cost of insulin when it comes to their health care. they are worried about affordable housing. they are worried about broad band deployment. that s what they are getting from this president and they are not thinking about whatever it is 50-cent is talking about in rico. it is down in georgia. that is what donald trump violated. and so, we are upset because he is being called to account for violateing the rico statute? 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joining me now, kelly robinson, president of the human rights campaign. your reaction to what we heard. shocking but not shocking in the same sense. what she is saying about flags, it is not about flags. it s a dog whistle to maga bullies across the board. what she wants to do is use the flag as a symbol to talk about how they want to push us back into the closet. when i talk about what it represents, tomorrow represents eight years since the pulse mass shooting where 49 members of our community s lives were stolen forever. this kind of violent action and political rhetoric leads to real world outcomes so anyone that is listening to her, anyone that is watching what she says, should be very, very concerned. not only about her words but what it means in terms of the actions of people that are listening to her. uh-huh. this audio, new audio from justice alito tonight. listen. justice alito tonight. listen. kelly, does this sound ominous given the two abortion cases and january 6th cases to be decided? to me it sounds hypocrital. i remember when barack obama wore a tan suit and people acted like it was the end of democracy. and now, we are talking about a whole supreme court justice whose wife is saying things like this who is espousing these belief that s are concerning for someone on the highest court of the land. so i do think that anyone that is listening to the words that are coming out of justice alito s mouth, you should be concerned. but i also know if you are a person of color, if you are an lgbtq plus person, a woman, someone who is nonbinary, we don t have the luxury of putting our fear into a state of analysis. it is more critical than ever that we get out and we vote this november. our lives are quite literally at stake. uh-huh. trump is out there giving comfort to anti-abortion groups promising to defend life. these also sound like rights this ideological supreme court has no interest in protecting. they don t. they have said the quiet part out loud already. we have to remember that when roe v. wade was overturned and justice thomas concurrence, he said out loud, the next the court should revisit lawrence. they should revisit griswold. they asserted our basic rights as lgbtq plus people in this country and our right to contraception so any time they say that these things are not on the table, look at what they are doing. we should be very concerned about what we are seeing and take it as a call to action. at the end of the day, we still live in a democracy. our votes still count. and there is something that we can do right now about how this court has gotten so far disconnected from its actual mission in our democracy. as i mentioned before, i was at the juneteenth event where i met your beautiful wife last night. but that s not the point why i m bringing that up. i want to play something that vice president harris said last night. watch. across our nation, we witnessed a full-on attack on hard fought hard won freedoms and rights. including the freedom of a woman to make decisions about her own body, the freedom to be who you are and love who you love openly and with pride. the freedom from fear of bigotry and hate. the freedom to learn and acknowledge our nation s true and full history. and the freedom that unlocks all others, the freedom the vote. how important is it to stress to voters that the supreme court is on the ballot in november. what is at stake is more samuel alitos or more ketanji brown jackson. exactly. what i saw from kamala harris, that is leadership. at the end of the day when we think about this election coming up, it is not just about two candidates, it is two fundamentally different visions for our country. when you talk to people, a lot of our fears are the same. worried your kids will have a better life than you do. concerns about inflation. making sure schools are good and welcoming and safe. but i want to make sure that whoever we elect that their solutions are about moving us forward and not pulling us back. what the supreme court has shown that they are willing to do from the overturn of roe v. wade to all they have said and done in the last year, they are willing to roll back the rights not only of the last ten years or last 40 years but the last 100. we have got to do something about it for the sake of all of our communities and especially for the sake of our kids. kelly robinson, thank you very much for comeing to the last word. thank you. coming up, it s election night in nevada. a must win state for joe biden and kamala harris and a muster win seat for democrat ifs they hope to hold onto the senate. nevada senator jack see rosen joins us next. rosen joins us next. clogged gutters can cause big problems fast. until now. call 833-leaffilter today for your free gutter inspection. i ve had terrible flooding problems on my porch. now i understand why. right now leaffilter is offering a free inspection, on your schedule. leaffilter is a permanent gutter solution, so you never have to worry about costly damage from clogged gutters again. call us today and schedule your free inspection. to schedule your free inspection, call 833.leaf.filter today or visit leaffilter.com. -cologuard®? 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i can tell you latino voters in nevada, they are the decisive vote. and my team in nevada, so many of them born and raised in nevada, i myself lived here the last 50 years just about. we are in the community all the time. we are listening and we are responding. i sit on the small business and entrepreneurship committee. we talk about all the latino small businesses. so many entrepreneurs. we want to be sure they have all the tools that they need to keep and start their small business and thrive. it is really important. and we talk about education. and our environment. we are connecting with our latino voters. the same issues that matter to everybody else. senator rosen, the late long time nevada senator harry reid built a famous statewide democratic organization in nevada. is the reid machine still in effect in nevada? what that means around nevada state. we work together to make sure we do our field program. we are talking about the issues. we coordinate. being sure we are communicating. working together. nevada families, they really matter. listening to them and delivering for them really matters. we will have the new va hospital. they are searching for their 50- acre site now. it will be a game changer fir the veterans in northern nevada. whether it is seniors, veterans, students, or a tourism economy. we are listening and delivering. senator jackie rosen of nevada. thank you very much for coming to the last word. thank you for having me. coming up, biden is beating trump in a new election forecast and one of the big reasons is biden s strength in the key swing state of wisconsin and particularly, with a group of voters who make up the bulk of the trump base. that s next. the trump base. that s next. yself i was ok with my moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis symptoms. with my psoriatic arthritis symptoms. but just ok isn t ok. and i was done settling. if you still have symptoms after a tnf blocker like humira or enbrel, rinvoq is different and may help. rinvoq is a once-daily pill that can rapidly relieve joint pain, stiffness, and swelling in ra and psa. relieve fatigue. and stop further joint damage. and in psa, can leave skin clear or almost clear. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin; heart attack, stroke, and gi tears occurred. people 50 and older with a heart disease risk factor have an increased risk of death. serious allergic reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. done settling? 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the issues they care about our kitchen table issues that a lot of us talk about. affordable healthcare. women s reproductive rights, voting rights, saving our democracy, good education and childcare. basically kitchen table issues. what do you say back to them? we talked about some of the issues that president biden and harris put forward. the jobs that have been created. money that has come into green county for various rings such as our ymca and county seats in the city of monroe. basic issues like that. we try to point out to people what is being done. on the flipside on the ground, what do you hear from voters about trump if anything? that they really do not want him back in office. it is as simple as that. been, how voters get their information has changed, much more now on social media then with traditional advertising. how has that changed voter outreach? the first thing we have to assume is there is no silver bullet. you may get something on the local news that reaches some voters. some are reading the weekly newspaper that comes in. maybe they pick it up at the grocery store. we have to be everywhere. social media platforms, foreign science, door to door organizing, phone calls and text messages. show up at parades and county fairs, we build a surroundsound environment. we assume just because you said something somewhere does not mean anybody heard it. you have to say it everywhere and over and over. that is what it takes. trump is trying to confuse people. we need to bring people s focus back to what affects them directly. their freedom to make decisions about their own body and living in a democracy. who is fighting for them. trump promising wealthy donors whatever they want. that contrast does resonate for people but you have to go to where the voters are. sandy you have been nodding in agreement. my last question is, if biden were to come to green county and ask your advice on what he should say to voters, what would you tell him? that is a good question. i would guess to just be honest with them on what he plans to do for the voters, listening to them and what their issues are is the most important. being able to address those. if biden could come to green county, they would be ecstatic. we have 90 seconds left, same question been, what would you say team biden needs to work on or watch out for? we love biden coming to the state because he does listen to people. when they hear from him they moved toward him and when they hear from trump they move away. we have 97-99 assembly district covered. anybody that wants to help us organize you can volunteer at the website. biden really digs into what he is delivering. he announced a $3 billion investment by microsoft in a community where trump showed up and promised the sun, moon and stars and never did anything. that contrast really lance. for people that wonder what jobs they will have in 10 years, when biden shows up and does something it clicks. we want him to keep coming and we think we can draw a contrast with trump who talks big and delivers nothing and uses power to exact revenge instead of serving the people. i think it is guaranteed that biden and harris will be back in wisconsin multiple times before election day. thank you both very much for coming to the last word. we will be right back. ht back. that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. don t take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. it s time we all shine. talk to a healthcare provider about nurtec odt from pfizer. citi s industry leading global payments solutions help their clients move money around the world seamlessly in over 180 countries. and help a partner like the world food programme as they provide more than food to people in need. together, citi and the world food programme empower families across the globe. i wanna hold you forever hey little bear bear. i m gonna love you forever c mon, bear. you don t.you don t have to worry. be by your side. i ll be there. with my arms wrapped around. craig here pays too much for verizon wireless. so he sublet half his real estate office. 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to opt out of any law they judge incompatible with their sincerely held religious beliefs. the hobby lobby decision. the majority opinion was written by justice samuel alito and one of the first signs that conservatives on this court were willing to go after reproductive freedoms no matter the consequence. in the wake of the dobs decision, hobby lobby seems like the canary in the coal mine in more ways than one. november of 2022, the new york times offered key reporting about how the hobby lobby decision came to be. for years, conserve tiff christians had been engaged in a campaign called operation higher court. that operation was to personally court and influence the supreme court s conservative justices. it was spearheaded by a man named reverend robert shank who would recruit christian couples he called stealth missionaries to gain access to the judges and impress upon them the importance of conservative christian values. the justices were more likely to let their guards down at the historical genders. see a justice, boldly approach, he told the couples. if given the opportunity, bear witness to biblical truth, but don t push it. he said. your presence alone at the historical society events telegraphs a very important signal to the justices. christians are concerned about the court and the issues that come before it. that strategy appears to have paid off. some of shank s stealth missionaries were able to build enough of a relationship with justice alito and his wife martha anne they obtained advance notice of the hobby lobby decision before it came out. that breach, that unprecedented breach foreshadowed the leaked dobbs decision striking down roe eight years later and that specific strategy of using the supreme court s annual historical society dinners as a way to gain access to supreme court justices, turns out that, too, is relevant again just this week. the dinner is a yearly event where wealthy donors give money to a non-profit dedicated to supporting the court s history in exchange for their money, the donors get to rub shoulders with the justices and their spouses. as it turns out, conserve tiffs weren t the only ones in on this little arraignment. last week, lauren winsor who happens to be a member of the historical society bought a ticket tothe event. when she got in, she pretended to be a conservative donor. she approached some of the conservative justices and secretly recorded her conversations with them. nbc news has not heard the full tape of what was recorded so we cannot say for certain where edits were made if any were actually made. tonight, we have some brand new never before heard audio from that event to play for you. you will hear something familiar to what was on the tape s release yesterday. justice alito who is aggrieved and frustrated. who is nakedly partisan and totally unconcerned by appearing to be all of those things in front of a total stranger. remember, what we heard yesterday. as a catholic and as someone who really cherishes my faith, i just don t, i don t know that we can negotiate with the left in a way that like needs to happen for the polarization to end. i think that it is a matter of like winning. i think you re probably right. on one side or the other, one side or the other is going to win. i don t know. i mean, there can be a way of working together or living together peacefully. but it is difficult. there are differences on fundamental things that can t really be compromised. they can t really be compromised. so it s not like you re going to split the difference. that s what i m saying. i think the solution really is like winning the moral argument. people in this country who believe in god have got to keep fighting for that to return our country to a place of godliness. well, i agree with you. i agree with you. remember, at this closed door cocktail party, windsor was able to get justice alito s wife to explain her deeply personal motivation for flying two insurrectionist flags in front of the alito homes. that is a story that had just scandalized this court and these recordings this week would seem to suggest mrs. alito has no shame about what she has been doing here. in fact, quite the opposite. after deriding feminazis who have been critical of the scandal engulfing her husband, she made clear these flags are explicitly her form of resistance and response. you know what i want? i want a sacred heart of jesus flag because i have to look across the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. exactly. and he s like oh, please don t put up a flag. i said i won t do it because i m deferring to you, but when you are free of this nonsense, i m putting it up and i m going to send them the message every day. maybe every week i will change the flags. i made a flag in my head. this is how i satisfy myself. i made a flag. it is white. it is yellow and orange flames around it. and in the middle of is word vergogna. it means shame. just the be clear here, justice alito has publicly stated his wife did not fly the flags to associate herself with the stop the steal movement or any other group but it seems clear his wife very much sees the flags as a form of political expression and a response to what she believes are liberal attacks. it s okay. when they come back to me, i ll get them. i m going to be liberated and i m going to get them. what do you mean by they? there is a five year defamation statute of limitations. i don t know who you mean by they. get them. the media. okay. so, martha anne alito, the wife of a supreme court justice say she has a plan to get back at the media suing for defamation and thinks she will have the opportunity to do that in the next five years when she is free of all this nonsense. is sam alito s wife telling us something about justice alito s retirement plans? how concerned should we be that a supreme court justice s pows is talking about the american media with open contempt? tonight, we have brand new audio from that same event where justice alito himself tells us what he thinks about the fourth estate. the press. the other voice is an associate of lauren windsor s who was also at this event. i just wanted to ask you why do you think the supreme court is being so attacked and being targeted by the media these days? it is a simple reason. they don t like our decisions and they don t how we anticipate we may decide some cases coming up. that s the beginning and the end of it. and there are groups of very well funded by ideological groups that have spearheaded these attacks. that s what it is. gets a lot of money. and they have spent a fortune investigating clarence thomas for example. you know everything he has ever done his entire life. and they ve done some of that with me too. but you know they look for nit little thing they can find and try to make something of it. nbc news reached out for comment from samuel alito and his wife but have not heard back. joining me now is lauren windsor. progressive activist. lauren, thank you for being here. i know you have had a busy week so far. let me start with the new sound your organization, your colleague has given us. there are two parts of this new tape that strike me as concerning. alito says the media has not liked how the court has decided cases and may decide upcoming cases, was that a window into what may be coming down the pike the next two weeks? how did you interpret that? i interpret it as a harbinger of bad things to come. did you get the sense when he was talking about the media and specifically citing propublica and their extensive investigating about clarence thomas. that these stories are very much being shared behind closed doors of the supreme court. his media awareness seemed to be relatively high. oh it s very high. he already had a sense of grievance when i first spoke with him in 2023. but it was much more pronounced this year. two conversations that ali and i had with him. can we talk about the context here? for those of us who have not been to supreme court historical society events, is this what happens at them? we have two bomb shell series of reports about conversations, advocacy campaigns and attendees from the supreme court. i initially read the report in the new york times about reverend shank. that played into my going in the first place. but i didn t read that report and think i should become a member now. it really was incited by the propublica reporting on clarence thomas. justice alito wants to rail about the money taken by propublica for invest good faithing public servants while clarence thomas is not disclosing millions of dollars of gifts from gop donors. i have no idea what propublica s finances are, but as someone who is an independent journalist, i would imagine that the money that clarence thomas has taken probably rivals the budget of propublica in any given year. it is such a good point. what did you hear in alito s explanation for that? did you hear, it seems there is no contrition. but is not even an acknowledgment there was any wrong doing on the part of clarence thomas in accepting potentially millions of dollars in unspecified gifts from conservative donors. i mean, you know, it is not vergogna bay verbatum. i don t consider that paying for tuition or getting a free rv loan. these are all things he has accepted from gop donors. it would be a different story if this was just about vacations he was taking with harlan crow and his wife and family. most people would write it off as oh, it was a trip. most people would not consider traveling with friends or associates as being something that is that big of a deal. but that is not what we are talking about with clarence thomas. it is another order of magnitude and it has been going on years. i guess some part of me is surprised that you not knowing the alitos, you are just a random member of the historical society is able to even get within shoulder rubbing distance of a justice and draw him into conversation about some of the incendiary topics in the country. the partisan divide. how did it unfold when you were in the room with the justice? it should be stated in the guidance for the events, the historical society says if you broach topics that are before the court, it may be grounds for you to be kicked out. so there is aprocess. how do i approach someone with that not only are judges supposed to be really the height of discretion. the height of you know, judgments. right? i definitely went into this assuming i was not going to get anything news worthy. in 2023, i did not get anything news worthy. the scrutiny has intensified so much and his grievance level is much more piqued that unlike clarence thomas who did not show up to this dinner. but has been reported to have shown up to it many times, and he didn t show up in 2023 by the way. that alito would probably attend anyway though he was undergoing this intense media glare. sure enough, he was there. and i think it was, i can t say what was in his mind so i don t know if in 2023, he had the the same level of grievance and it changed over the course of the year. there s a couple of options there. did it change? was it hard to get him to talk? at the very end of this conversation, he says are you a lawyer? it wasn t like you had offered any biographical information other than having a husband who was not in the room. how did you actually get into conversation with him? did you just go up to him and start talking to him? so the reason i brought up my husband was that in 2023, i came with a male friend. so, the context of it was we had a conversation, after dinner in 2023, my male friend was with me. he was not with me in 2024. so when i saw justice alito solo, it was one on one. it was hi there, my husband really wants to let you know we are rooting for you. you have all the grit. the reason i said you had all the grit, this is because donald trump had tweeted something out about how you know, there should be more justices like samuel alito with the grit samuel alito has so i felt like it was flagged if you will. to alito. that it was. a safe space for him. a safe space, yes. i was trying to signal to him coyly without saying trump. because it goes back to the way to broach who has the highest level of discretion. you can t talk partisan politics if i walked up to him and talked joe biden or donald trump, he would have shut down. so talking polarization was a way to, a way into the conversation that wasn t as aggressive. but also indicative of what we were trying to get at. was he acting on bias. and i do believe that american people deserve to know. is the supreme court so compromised that we do not really have impartiality that bedrock of our judicial system. i think hearing it from his mouth that he cannot be impartial that some things cannot be compromised, that needs to be fuel for journalists and congress to say what are the things that cannot be compromised? look, you brought us into a room that few people are ever in. these tapes are revelator. it is, we are not done having this conversation. thank you for bringing some of that to our air. we are really appreciative. thanks for spending some time with me tonight lauren. thanks alex. coming up this hour, we have new details about donald trump s presentencing meeting with his probation officer. turns out, he is being treated differently. just maybe not in the way he would like you to believe. the first hunter biden today joined donald trump in becoming a convicted felon facing possible jail time. does that mean the system is now unrigged? we ll get into the republican response coming up next. epubli response coming up next. missing out on the things you love because of asthma? get back to better breathing with fasenra, an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma that is taken once every 8 weeks. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems or other eosinophilic conditions. allergic reactions may 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( ) president biden s son hunter biden was found guilty on three felony gun charges and given this news you might have thought the maga conspiracy about president biden rigging the justice system, maybe you thought that is going to collapse. it did not. today is the first step in delivering accountability for the biden crime family. you have been saying two tiered justice system some time. the president s son being convicted three counts. every case is different. and clearly the evidence was overwhelming here. do you think the department of justice is still weaponnized against conservatives though we see this verdict? when they tell school moms they are domestic terrorists because they don t like what is taught in the classrooms. we could go into it but we won t. a trump campaign statement released today calls hunter biden s trial nothing more than a distraction from the real crimes of the biden crime family. and in lock step with the party front runner, the chairman of the house oversight committee said the work will not be done until the department of justice investigates everyone involved in the biden s corrupt influence peddling schemes. joining me now is charlie psychs. charlie, thank you for joining me. this criminal conviction is a distraction from the real crime family. is this going to work? it was awkwardment it is awkward for the talking point it was all rigged. that the biden justice department was weaponnized only against republicans. but, we live in a world in which the reality and the facts have a hard time catching up with the spin. and you can see how deeply invested republicans are in their talking point about the biden crime family so it is not a shock they will continue to repeat those talking points. over and over and over again. but i do think the contrast and the reaction to the conviction of donald trump and the conviction of hunter biden has been very, very telling here. this will come up at the debate and you though donald trump will try to make an issue of the fact that the president s son is a convicted felon which will be awkward being a convicted felon himself. but democrats have been making this point. and the media have been making the point that there are a number of democrats facing indictments under the biden justice department. not just the president s own son. they don t feel the need to explain that at all. they will just go with the spin. i wonder who the spin is for. you talk about the reaction. this was the statement from the president of the united states after his son is convicted of felonies. as i said last week, i am the president, but i am also a dad. jill and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today. so many families who have had loved ones battle addiction understand the feeling of pride seeing someone you love come out the other side and be strong and resilient in recovery. as i also said i will accept the outcome of this case and continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal. jill and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will change that. i mean, that just, it is a very strong statement. it is a tough statement for a father to make. and i feel like that just undercuts whatever the republican argument is of the rigging of the system. among the voters that matter. the conviction of hunter biden shows the system is not rigged. it also shows this is the way the rule of law looks. this is what it looks like when no one is above the law. and president biden is also said, you know, has said on the record, that he will not use his pardon power to free his son if hunter biden gets a prison sentence. now, there are some people skeptical about that. but i don t think there is any reason to doubt his word at this point. and again, this creates a really significant difference between the tantrum donald trump and his supporters have thrown and the acceptance of the rule of law and the decision of a jury presented with all of this evidence. the point you are making is who is this for right now? almost everything republicans say is for the audience of one is for donald trump. this is what the base wants to hear. but, that is not the group of voters who will be deciding this election. and not to wax too poetic about it charlie. but embedded in biden s statement is a call to empathy. right? for those who have fallen for people who have addiction and are trying to make it through a dark, dark period. versus trump who is all grievance all the time. and i think we think a lot of things. we don t know a lot about where this country is headed but appealing to people s sense of forgiveness and empathy doesn t seem like a political strategy that has an expiration date. am i being too soft here? no. again it is an interesting contrast. joe biden s superpower is his empathy. and republicans are not going to give him any credit for it but a lot of americans will say okay. this is a tragic situation. you know, there are questions about hunter biden s judgment and his behavior. but also, what you are seeing from joe biden is, this is what a father, a father who has lost his other son, how they would react to something like that. and there will be a sliver of the electorate with crucial sliver that will look at that and say we understand that seems human to us. something we can identify with and admire in opposition to the conspiracy theories and the victim card playing and the really vicious attacks on the criminal justice system and the jury system coming from donald trump. yeah. it is a real choice ahead. and, this will be very, very indicative of who we are as a country. charlie, thank you for your time. it is great to see you. thank you. still to come this evening we have some new reporting about what appears to be a coordinated effort to broadcast disinformation about this fall s election on your local newscast. plus, when it comes to donald trump s criminal conviction, republicans need a reality check. we have one. that s next. eality check. we have one. that s next. 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this is something that is so routine and it typically takes hours. to the extent there have been things that have been different for him. they have only been different in his favor. most defendants have to come there in person. it is a drab office. these things take hours. there are reports his probation interview took half an hour. this is an opportunity for probation to ask the type of questions that a judge might want to know on sentencing that don t come out in the trial. so this is somebody obviously, this defendant is somebody who is so well vetted everybody knows everything. but for most defendants, the judge doesn t have a sense of who they are as a person. what their family situation is. their immigration status is. are they using drugs so a lot of people know this about donald trump. but, so you could say well, half an hour, maybe all you need. but the fact is this is them doing their due diligence. to the extent it is on zoom. the lawyers there. it is only half an hour to tex tent that it is rigged or different, it has only been in his favor. the other piece of this that he likes bringing up is the presence in this case on the da side of matthew calangalo. he previously worked at the department of justice and now works for alvin bragg and they have literally used him as the missing link of joe biden and alvin bragg. let me say for people who are not familiar, this is how trump talks about him. he is a radical left from the doj who was put into the state working with letitia james and put into the district attorney s office to run the trial against trump. we will take issue with it. put into? passive in that statement. but you have gone between the doj and the doj s office. is that a normal thing that happens and now in line with reality is this argument? in the letter, just today, the department of justice said this was conspiratorial speculation. i think it is something a lot more sinister. it is an attempt to undermine law enforcement. first off, the manhattan da s office and doj work together all the time. there are joint task forces on terrorism. on hate crimes. there is a joint task force that looks at the filings that banks file. the suspicious activity reports. there have been joint cases prosecuted by the department of justice and the manhattan da s office against banks like standard charter, ing. there have been cases every day that are deconflicted between the department of justice. they don t arrest the same person. people go back and forth. i went from the manhattan da s office and back. robert morgan, the most famous manhattan da who served for 35 years from 1975 to 2010, prior to becoming. he was an obama plant. is that you are telling me? a stooge of the administration. it is preposterous, there is no sense these cries of foul play will end any time soon. this is all coming to a head on july 11th when there is the sentencing hearing for trump and i guess i wonder what your expectation for that is. and whether there is anything to be done around the cries of foul play in a rigged system that are inevitably going to come up no matter what he is sentenced. it is such a hard decision for the judge and you wouldn t wish it on your worst inny or both sides. nobody should want him to go to jail or want anyone to go to jail. it s a sad day. the prosecution is virtually going to be asking for jail time. the defense is virtually going to be asking for a sentence of a conditional discharge saying he has been punished enough by the felony. and there will be outcry on both sides. i don t know there is any way through the political thicket of it other than to say this is a judge who has been around the block. he will be taking this seriously and fairly and i think you will see a sentence that is sort of free of some of those political considerations. something that he will be, maybe down the middle. both sides will be able to make of it like a rorschach test and they will be able to argue around it. well, that is not exactly, you are not giving me the inside dope on what you think it would be. but look. for all of that we have seen, it feels like the volume will only increase into july 11th. thank you for helping us through this. coming up, trump appointee judge aileen cannon tosses out part of trump s indictment in the classified documents case. but first, some very orwellian messages being broadcast from your local news stations. that s next. your local news stations. that s next. i m out of breath, and often out of the picture. but this is my story. 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destruction of evidence, and it doesn t absolve trump of the idea that he willfully retained the documents. he knew he had them in 2022, when he turned stuff over to the archives. they told him, hey, there s classified documents in this stuff. they knew he had them over the course of the next year, talking to his lawyers telling him, turn them over. and the fbi kept funding stuff in what you are turning over. it will ultimately not change anything, but quite possibly with the way judge cannon handles things, it could drag it out just a little bit more. just a little bit more. we are now at the first anniversary of the mar-a-lago case, the grand jury and bob dikeman came down on june 8th, 2023. anyone s guess if we get to the second anniversary. bradley moss, thank you, sir, for your time tonight. have a good night. that is our show for this evening. now, it is time for the last word , with jonathan k part. lawrence o donnell come in for jonathan. i would love to see if we get the classified documents case, but who knows? she take, with the number not on the cake, and eat it depending or not, if it happens. if it is sheet cake, let s just eat it, anyway. have a good show. thank you. today, a jury convicted hunter biden, the only surviving son of president joe biden, of three federal gun felonies. after a little less than three hours of deliberations, 12 jurors in president biden s home state of delaware agreed with prosecutors that hunter biden lied on a mandatory gun purchase form by saying he was not illegally using or addicted to drugs at a time when he was. president joe biden responded with this statement. as i said last week, i am the president, but i am also a dad. jill and i love our son, and we are so proud of the man he is today. i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal. jill and i will always be there for hunter, and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that. she didn t attack the verdict. he didn t say it was rigged. he didn t attack the judge, the prosecutors, or the jury. no, all the while, an irresponsible reaction to the hunter biden verdict today came from republicans. some of whom have embraced the conspiracy myth that the justice department charged and convicted hunter biden of these felonies to misdirect from other crimes, big-league crimes, unnamed, unspecified, imagined, biden crimes that are much bigger and better than all of the actual crimes donald trump is charged with. x trump adviser, steve miller, posted, the hunter biden verdict is proof that doj is the democrat protection racket. he called the verdict a distraction from the real crimes. one right-wing commentator things hunter biden was prosecuted as cover for the trump prosecution? i don t know if this is fair, you go after donald trump and you go after hunter biden. okay, in republicans defense, you might go a little crazy, too, if you had to defend backing a known fraudster, sexual abuser, and now 34 times convicted felon for president. in a new op-ed, attorney general merrick garland denounced the attacks on the the justice department. they are baseless, personal, and dangerous. today, the doj sent a letter to jim jordan to confirm that there were no emails between any justice department officials and the office of manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg. the department has no control over the district attorney, just as the district attorney has no control over the department. the committee knows this. despite that, district attorney bragg has agreed to testify before the house on july 12th, the day after donald trump s sentencing. a spokesperson for the manhattan d.a.s office said, it undermines the rule of law to spread dangerous misinformation, baseless claims, and conspiracy theories following the jury s return of a full count felony conviction in people be trump. nonetheless, we respect our government institutions and plan to appear voluntarily before the subcommittee after sentencing. joining us now, former acting solicitor general of the united states, who has argued more than 50 cases before the supreme court. he is a professor at georgetown law and msnbc legal analyst and host of the podcast courtside with neil cocktail. neil, thank you much as always for being here. so, now, some republicans are pushing the hunter biden jury verdict as proof of a doj conspiracy. this is some carrie matheson red yarn over a corkboard stuff. eight you have that on your bingo card? it is almost impossible. i mean, jonathan, the verdict today makes these conservative claims look ridiculous. i m i mean, for years, these conservatives have been pulling about a politicized justice department and so on. what happened today, this justice department convicted the president s own son, his only living son. i mean, imagine what that would take. imagine you are the attorney general and the president gave you that job, jonathan, one of the most important jobs in the country, in the world, and you have the power as every attorney general does, as merrick garland does, to end the prosecution with the stroke of a pen and you didn t do it. garland didn t do it. that is what the rule of law is all about, and similarly, the constitution gives the power to the president to pull the plug on any in the constitution, that is article two. so, president biden could have absolutely ended this prosecution once and for all. he didn t do it. that is the test about someone who has convictions in the system. and when it is over, you didn t hear joe biden whining about a trump judge even though the judge here is literally a trump judge appointed by trump, rather you heard the president say, he would accept the outcome of the case. i know no other word for that, but presidential. even went so far as to say he wouldn t pardon his son, that is how much respect he has for the system. so, neal, we saw this with judge merchan, and it seems to be merrick garland s way, too, trying to lower the temperature in the wake of these over the top trump republican attacks. do you think he is responding proportionately to the trump be an all out war on our justice system? i was really glad to see the attorney general s op-ed today in the washington post basically saying, look, what the department does is just apply the rule of law, we do so fairly and impartially. that is the justice department that i saw, jonathan, when i worked there in two different administrations. it is why people respect this country so much. this morning, i had the privilege of speaking at a naturalization ceremony for 150 new citizens from 54 countries, and what did they respect about america? they respect exactly a verdict like this, that even the president s own son can be convicted by the president s justice department and the president s prosecution arm, because this president, as almost every president in our history does, respects the constitution and respects the rule of law, unlike some of these republicans, like stephen miller, who spit on this every chance they can. what do you expect to see when manhattan d.a. alvin bragg testifies before jim jordan subcommittee? do you think you made the right decision? i expect to see a big nothing. i expect to see all sorts of innuendo, akin to the kind of innuendo we are hearing today about how joe biden helped orchestrate the felony conviction of his own son even though it was overseen by trump appointed national council and adjudicated by trump judge i am sure we will hear craig cray like that, but there will be no fax, because as the justice department even said today, literally, there was no communication between the prosecutor, matthew, angelo, the centerpiece of these crazy conspiracy theories, and the justice department, zero, none. so, have the hearing. by all means, of course, that is part of congress responsibilities and oversight. , it would be nice to have some facts in those hearings. yeah, it would be nice to have some. i am not expecting any, though. neal, neal katyal, thank you very much for coming to the last word . thank you. so, here s how you know can pick the convicted felon, trump, knows it can get much, much, much worse for him. you have a deranged individual named jack smith, he is a deranged, john dumb guy, he is a dumb son of a convicted felon, trump, indicted by special prosecutor jack smith on multiple criminal charges for his unsuccessful attempt to overturn the 2020 election, also praised that january 6th writers that attacked the capital calling them warriors. those january 6th warriors, they were warriors, but more than anything else, they were victims of what happened. all they were doing was protesting a rigged election, that is all they were doing. while trump was landing in las vegas sunday, president biden was returning from france after commemorating the 80th anniversary of d-day. the biden campaign has released this ad, featuring three american veterans slamming former president trump for being a draft dodger. a good commander in chief is somebody who gives a [ bleep ]. i registered, i served in the united states marine corps point my name is ed mccabe. i served from the 1990s until 2014. my name is matthew mclaughlin. i was a navy pilot for eight years. it is the first time i m shaking the hands of a president of the united states. it was pretty impactful to me to see an individual that supports troops not just on the battlefield, but when we return home. i see a man in joe biden who accepts accountability and responsibility, and when i see his predecessor, donald trump, i see a man who is only in this for himself. who criticizes veterans, who doesn t see it important to go to the funerals. donald trump has zero accountability in his life. is a draft dodger, simple as that. yesterday, draft dodger donald trump sat for his first probation hearing as a convicted felon, a mandatory requirement before his sentencing on july 11th. meanwhile, president biden held a white house event commemorating juneteenth, a federal holiday he established in 2021 to recognize the emancipation of enslaved african americans after the civil war. in his remarks, president biden reminded the audience why black history is still so important. but, let s be clear, they are all ghosts, and they are trying to take this back. they are taking away your freedoms, making it harder for black people to vote. well, i will have your vote counted. closing doors of opportunity, attacking diversity, equity, and inclusion. if you can believe it, banning books about black experiences, trying to erase and rewrite history. or, this is not just about the past, this is about our present and our future. it is whether or not that future is the future for all of us, not just some of us. folks, black history is american history. black history is american history. joining us now, former democratic leader of the house of representatives, james clyburn of north carolina, he is a co-chair of the biden- harris campaign, congressman clyburn, always good to see you, welcome back to the show. i was at the juneteenth event last night and president biden has touted the inflation reduction act, and lowering drug prices, but listen to how the events host, comedian roy wood junior, talked about that achievement. we have legislation now for cheaper prescription drugs because of this administration. insulin is down to $35, if you are a senior. and i don t know if anybody here has paid for insulin before, but that is like the bottle service of prescription drugs. so, we appreciate that $35 right there. [ laughter ] congressman clyburn, i love the relate ability roy wood jr. used to break it down. it is funny, but it is telling a policy success story. does the campaign need to do more of that? well, thank you very much for having me, jonathan. absolutely. we have got to get this out there. this administration has a record that is unequaled, even cannot be imagined by a lot of people who have thought about these kinds of things as we went into the last election. this administration, with this rescue plan, has brought young children out of poverty with this infrastructure bill. it has put in $65 billion for internet when we had no money for infrastructure in the previous administration. it is chips and signs act, it is packed act, it is inflation reduction act. all of these things people said could not be done, joe biden did them. and i get a little irritated when i hear people telling me, well, he isn t talking loud enough. he isn t showing the kind of energy we want. we are about substance. substance, not style. that is what will move this country forward. that is what we will leave for our children and grandchildren, to be proud of. real substance. you can talk loud, you can misrepresent, you can prance around. but, the question is, what are you doing? i grew up in the prostitute and i used to listen to my dad s sermons. one of the things i learned early, it is their deeds that make them, not their words. and if you get caught up on the words, and don t pay any attention to the deeds, you might believe in donald trump. but, if you are all about deeds, you will be supporting this president, this administration, biden and harris. well, let s talk about so, more deeds, congressman clyburn. today, the biden administration announced that medical get that can no longer be considered in credit scores and president biden has made debt elimination one of his major pitches on the campaign, but new polling shows that voters are split on student loan forgiveness. three out of 10 approve and four out of 10 disapprove. how concerned are you about the polling numbers we see on the screen there? i think it is because people have misrepresented this whole thing about student loan debt elimination. joe biden, if you look at the program, he made it very clear, we are talking about eliminating this compound it is interest and all of the things that have accumulated beyond what the original debt was. i have got a constituent not a black constituent, but still a constituent in north charleston who wrote to the president and copied to me. his original loan was $60,000. over the years, she has paid back nearly $200,000 because of compounded interest, and paying for it for more than 20 years and still owed money. so, when he eliminated that debt, it was on the compounded interest, not the original loan. and people need to look at that. when i hear senator romney saying that this is a bad deal, how can this be a bad deal? the principal is paid back a long, long, long time ago. these people are paying compounded interest that has been put out there about people who are making money when the original principal was paid back a long time ago. so, that is what is going on here. so, nobody is paying anybody s debt. they paid off the debt. it is a compounded interest that people are electing and that is putting people in the poorhouse, as we say down south. congressman, let me get you on one more thing before we have to go in a couple of minutes. let s talk about comments that entertainer, $.50, meanwhile on capitol hill last week. listen to this. what do you think appears as significant to african-american men this election? i see them identify with trump. why do you say that? because they got rico charges. congressman clyburn, your reaction, black men are moving to trump because they ve got rico charges? [ laughter ] look, he should ve been with me last saturday night at the south carolina naacp freedom fund dinner. 100% support for joe biden. not one single person in their, male or female, for donald trump. he should have been with me at greater target memorial miami church on sunday morning, 100% for joe biden. not a single person there for donald trump. i don t know where $.50 is hanging out, but i hang out with naacp. i hang out with the black community, black faith community, and i don t see any support for donald trump. these people aren t worried about rico statutes, they are worried about their children s student loan debt. they are worried about the cost of insulin, when it comes to their healthcare. they are worried about affordable housing. they are worried about broadband deployment. that is what they are getting from this president and they are thinking whatever it is, what they will talk about in rico statutes. the rico statutes down in georgia, that is what donald trump violated. and so, we are upset because he is being called to account for violating the rico statutes? come on, 50 cent. that is worth a dollar to know better. [ laughter ] congressman james clyburn, always great to see you. thanks for coming to the last word . thank you very much for having me. [ laughter ] all right. $.50. we are 11 days into pride month and there is one person i know who is in celebrating justice samuel alito s wife has been caught on tape sharing her exasperation in seeing pride flags from her house. and that is not the only reason we should be worried about what is on those secret recordings. that is next. at is next. that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. don t take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. it s time we all shine. talk to a healthcare provider about nurtec odt from pfizer. summer. it s the hungriest time of year for kids across america. kids whose hardworking families are struggling to make ends meet. whether it s working the crazy hours so you can have enough money for food or, you know, just giving up things for your personal self, and it s just yeah, gotta feed your kids. far too many kids are missing the meals they need this summer. that s why i m here now asking you to join me in helping end child hunger in america for just $0.63 a day. that s only $19 a month. you can help provide healthy meals to power kids through their days. they re growing at this age, and they need the best diet they can have. so please, call now or go online to helpnokidhungry.org right now give $19 a month, only $0.63 a day. and when you use your credit card, you ll get this special team t-shirt to show that you re helping kids build a brighter future for themselves and for the world. we want to ensure that all of our kids have healthy meals every day, and many of our parents and many of our communities are still suffering. it s very difficult to, you know, have a good family setting when we are worrying about having enough food for your family. you can help kids get healthy meals this summer and all year long. please join me in supporting no kid hungry today. for just $0.63 a day, only $19 a month. you can help provide healthy meals to kids across america and in your local community. thank you for giving. thank you for giving. thank you! families are struggling to make ends meet. these are hard times. so please call now or go online to give. my wife is fond of flying flags. that is what supreme court justice samuel alito said when he blamed his wife for flying two different flags at their homes that are associated with the stop the steel movement and carried by writers at the january 6th insurrection. new secret recordings of his wife, martha and alito are revealing more about flying flags. you know what i want? i want a sacred heart of jesus flag because i have to look across the lagoon at the pride flags next month and he is like, please don t put up a flag. and i said, i want to do it because i am referring to you. but, when you are free of this nonsense, i m putting it up and i m going to send them a message every day, maybe every week i will be changing the flags. they will be all kind, this is how i satisfy myself. i made a flag. it s white and it is yellow and orange flames around it and in the middle is the word vergona, which means shame in italian. that is the wife of a supreme court justice being openly hostile to a complete stranger about the pride flag. a symbol of freedom and equality for the lgbtq+ community during pride month. people, like me, being proud of who they are makes her mad. it makes her want to send them a message. it makes her want to fly a flag that says shame. this is not a woman who is unclear about the message of the flags she is fine. and for what it is worth, i don t think anyone would care if they looked across the potomac and saw a jesus flag flying. there are lots of martha-ann s in america who also harbor this kind of grievance. but, this is martha-ann alito. she is not just any random person, she is married to a supreme court justice, for life. one of the most powerful people in the country, who is actively rolling back americans constitutional rights. justice alito authored the majority opinion revoking nearly 50 years of rights for women when the court overturned roe v wade. that laid the foundation for another right-wing justice with a right-wing wife, clarence thomas, to target the lgbtq+ community by saying the supreme court should reconsider two cases that reaffirmed the rights of same-sex, including same-sex marriage. so, martha-ann alito longs for the day when samuel alito is free of all this nonsense. she is thinking about who will replace him on the court. are you? joining me now, kelly robinson, president of the human rights campaign. kelly, thank you for coming back to the last word . your reaction to what we heard from mrs. alito? shocking, and also not shocking in the same sense. what she is saying about flags, it is not about flags, it is a dog whistle to maga bullies across the board. what she wants to do is use the flag as a simple to talk about how they want to erase us from public life, to push us back into the closet. and when i think about what today represents, not only is it pride month, but tomorrow represents eight years since the pulse mass shooting, were 49 members of our communities lives were stolen forever. this type of violent action and political rhetoric leads to real-world outcomes. so, anyone that is listening to her, anyone who is watching what she says should be very, very concerned. not only about her words, but what it means in terms of the actions of the people that are listening to her. this new audio from justice alito tonight, listen. i just wanted to ask you, why do you think the supreme court is so is being so attacked and being so targeted by the media these days? well, i think it s a simple reason. they don t like our decisions and they don t like how they anticipate we may decide some cases that are coming up. that s that s the beginning and the end of it. kelly, does the sound often is, given the two abortion cases and two january 6th cases yet to be decided this term? to me, it sounds hypocritical. i mean, i remember when barack obama wore a tan suit and people acted like it was the end of democracy. those lines! right! now, we are talking about a whole supreme court justice whose wife is saying things like this, who is espousing these beliefs that are concerning for someone who is on the highest court of the land. so, i do think anyone who is listening to the words that are coming out of justice alito s mouth, you should be concerned. but, i also know if you are a person of color, if you are an lgbtq+ person, a woman, or someone who is non-binary, we don t have the luxury of letting our concern and fear put us into a state of paralysis. we have to understand that this is why it is more critical than ever that we get out and vote this november. our lives are quite literally at stake. you know, trump is out there giving comfort to antiabortion groups, promising to defend life, while republicans are not voting to protect conception. today, a federal judge struck down a florida ban on transgender care for minors. these all sound like rights this ideological supreme court has no interest in protecting. they don t. they have said the quiet part out loud already. i mean, we have to remember that when roe v wade was overturned, justice clarence thomas concurrence, he said out loud, the next court should revisit lawrence, they should revisit griswold, these are cases that fundamentally asserted our basic rights as lgbtq+ people in this country, and our right to contraception. so, anytime they say that these things aren t on the table, that these rights aren t at risk, look at what they are doing. we should all, again, be very concerned with what we are seeing, but also take it as a call to action, because at the end of the day, we still live in a democracy. our votes still count, and there is something we can do right now about how this course has gotten so far disconnected from this actual mission and our democracy. you know, as i mentioned before, i was at the juneteenth event where i met your beautiful wife last night, but that is not the point why i m bringing that up. i want to play something that vice president harris said last night. watch. across our nation, we witnessed a full on attack on hard-fought, hard won freedoms and rights, including the freedom of a woman to make decisions about her own body, the freedom to be who you are and love who you love openly and with pride, the freedom from fear of bigotry and hate, the freedom to learn and acknowledge our nation s true and full history, and the freedom that unlocks all others the freedom to vote. how important is it to stress to voters that the supreme court is on the ballot in november? what is at stake is more samuel alito, or marco tonya brown jackson? exactly. what i saw from kamala harris right now, that is leadership. and at the end of the day when we think about this election that is coming up, it is not just about two candidates, it is about two fundamentally different visions for our country, two fundamentally different visions for our future, and our children. when you talk to people regardless of where they are on the political spectrum, a lot of our fears are the same, worry that your kids will have a better life than you do today, worries about inflation, making sure schools are good, and welcoming, and safe. but, i want to make sure that whoever we elect, the solutions are about moving us forward and not pulling us back. what the supreme court has shown that they are willing to do from the overturn of roe v wade, to all that they have said and done in the last year, they are willing to roll back the rights, not even the last 10 years or last 40 years, but the last 100. we have got to do something about it, for the sake of all of our communities, and especially for the sake of our kids. kelly robinson, president of the human rights campaign, thank you very much for coming to the last word . thank you. coming up, it is election night in nevada. it is a must win state for joe biden and kamala harris, and a must win seat for democrats if they hope to hold onto the senate. nevada senator jacky rosen joins us next. ins us next. and long-lasting gain scent beads. part of the irresistible scent collection from gain. rising costs. selective coverage. for countless americans, the complex specialty care they need has always felt. just out of reach. at evernorth, we give members unrivaled access to the most complex therapies at the best prices. while providing enhanced support like in home nursing at no additional cost. that s wonder made possible. evernorth health services. hi guys! bill, you look great! now that i have inspire, i m free from struggling with the mask and the hose. inspire? 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the first thing we have to assume is that there is no silver bullet. you might get something on the evening news that reaches some voters. some voters are reading the weekly newspaper that comes in. maybe they pick it up in the grocery store. we have to really be everywhere. social media platforms. on any screen. billboards, yard signs, door to door organizing, phone calls, text messages. show up at parades. show up at county fairs. we try to build a surroundsound environment so people here from trusted messengers and we assume that just because you say something similar doesn t mean everyone has heard it. on you have to say it over and over and that is what it will take. we have to cut through the noise. trump is trying to confuse people. he s trying to throw people off. we need to bring people s focus back to what affects them directly. their freedom. to make their own decisions about their own body. living in a democracy and who is fighting for them, fighting special interests and bringing down costs. trump promising wealthy voters whatever they want. that contrast does resonate with people, but you have to go where the voters are and not expect them to come to you. you have been nodding in agreement. my last question to you is if president biden were to come to greene county and ask your advice on what he should say to voters, what would you tell him? 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there s classified documents in this stuff. he knew he had them over the course of the next year talking to his lawyers and they told him to turn them over. he knew it when the fbi told him we keep finding stuff in the stuff you re turning over. it will in the way judge cannon handles things drag it out just a little bit more. a grand jury indictment came down on june 8, 2023. anyone s guess whether we get to the second anniversary. bradley moss, thank you so much for your time tonight. have a good night. that is our show for this evening. way too early with jonathan lemire is coming up next. this case was about the illegal choices the defendant made while in the throes of addiction, his choice to lie on a government form when he bought a gun and the choice to then possess that gun. no one in this country is above the law. everyone must be accountable for their actions, even this defendant. that was special counsel david weiss speaking to reporters after a jury found hunter biden guilty on three felony counts in this federal gun trial. we ll go over the key take-aways including what hunter s sentence could look like, how president biden reacted, and what one juror is now saying about what happened during deliberations. plus, we ll break down new poll numbers that show who voters in key battleground states say they believe is best to handle the economy ahead of november s election. and also, despite his long running feud with donald trump, senator mitch mcconnell says he will attend a meeting with the former president this week. their first face-to-face meeting in four years. we ll talk about what to expect from that. good morning and welcome to way too early on this wednesday, june 12th. i m jonathan lemire. thanks for starting your day with us, and we have a lot to get to this morning, and we will begin here. a jury has found hunter biden guilty on all three felony gun charges in his federal trial. the jury reached its verdict yesterday in wilmington, delaware, after only about three hours of deliberations split over two days. the president s son had pleaded not guilty to the three counts tied to lying on a federal gun application about his drug use. sources inside the defense room tell nbc news that following the verdict hunter biden thanked everyone in the room by name, hugged them, and tried to raise their spirits. he later issued this public statement. i am more grateful today for the love and support i experienced this last week from melissa, my family, my friends, and my community than i am disappointed by the outcome. recovery is possible by the grace of god, and i am blessed to experience that gift one day at a time. hunter biden could face-up to 25 years in prison, and each count carries a maximum fine of $250,000. no sentencing date has been set, but under federal sentencing guild line recommendations and as a first-time offender, the new york times points out that someone in hunter biden s position typically would face 15 to 21 months behind bars, significantly a lighter sentence. special counsel david weiss spoke briefly to reporters following the verdict. no one in this country is above the law. everyone must be accountable for their actions, even this defendant. however, hunter biden should no more accountable than any other citizen convicted of this same conduct. the prosecution has been and will continue to be committed to this principle and to the principles of federal prosecution in carrying out its responsibilities. both hunter biden and his attorney have indicated that they plan to appeal. president biden issued a statement reacting to his son s guilty verdict. it reads in part this. i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal. jill and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that. last week president biden said he will not pardon his son. the president also had an emotional reunion with hunter late yesterday. the two hugged on the tarmac after the president changed his schedule and flew to delaware following an event in d.c. preceding his departure from italy early this morning. hunter biden s guilty verdict comes as former president trump was found guilty of all 34 charges against him in his new york hush money trial a couple weeks ago. while the trump campaign decried the former president s verdict they were quick to call hunter biden s as distractions. well, first, let s remember this was joe biden s corrupt doj that tried to negotiate a sweetheart plea deal with outside immunity unrelated to this case. there are two tiers of justice, and again they wanted to let him off of everything. and now i see the law being used in sort of these ticky-tacky ways missing the main point which would have been the biden family corruption and just trying to ensnare president trump because he s winning. do you think the department of justice is still weaponized against conservatives even though we see nice verdict today? absolutely. when they tell school moms they re domestic terrorists because they don t like what s being taught in their classrooms we still can go into it, yes, ma am. they re sticking with their talking points despite the facts. meanwhile, a juror in the hunter biden trial spoke just moments after the verdict was read. in an anonymous interview with nbc news juror number 10 insisted the decision to vote guilty was not based on any political leanings. it was not politically motivated. politics never played in anything that we said in the jury room and as we were deliberating. of course we spent the last five days together and yesterday and today, and we were not allowed to talk about any of the case until the trial was over. like i told a lot of reporters, i ve seen a lot worse than hunter. so honestly, i don t think putting hunter in jail is going to help anybody. i hope that i hope that hunter is clean, and i hope that his sobriety is going well, and i hope it continues to go well. we should note the jurors in this case are talking out even anonymously while no one, no one in the trump case has had for fear of retribution. now let s bring in state attorney for palm beach county, dave aronberg. dave, good to see you this morning. first let s get your broad take-aways. what was your reaction to the guilty verdict? i was not surprised, jonathan. i thought this was a cut and dry case. the prosecution had the facts and law on their side. hunter biden s own words came back to hunt him. he wrote an auto birog aef talking about being in the throes of the addiction at the time he purchased this gun. and he was in denial. but, look, his own words came back to hurt him because his text messages right after he bought the gun, the day after indicated that he was going to buy drugs from a drug dealer named mooky, and then two days after he bought the gun he was texting his daughter that he was on a car in wilmington smoking crack. so that s why i thought the prosecutors had him. now, whether they should have brought this case, whether this was selective prosecution is another matter. and i agree with a jury that i think that the doj probably should have had bigger fish to fry, and i wonder would he have been prosecuted had his name been hunter smith? but it is what it is, and i think the jury did the right thing in the following the evidence and the law. we ll have far more on the political fallout of this later in the show, but i noted in some of my reporting last night that president biden has told associates in recent weeks exactly what you just said. he believes if he weren t running for re-election, hunter biden would have gotten that plea deal last summer that would have kept him out of prison, but that fell apart. so, dave, what do we tink? what potential sentence realistically will hunter biden face? i think probably probation. now, they re going to look at a lot of things, for example, his lack of a rap sheet, the fact that he was in the throes of addiction during this time. he didn t hold onto the gun very long. after it was disposed of by his then-girlfriend he didn t get it back and never used it. there are a lot of factors in play that tell me the prosecutors may just ask for probation, and even if they don t i think the judge is more likely than not to give him probation, i don t so see what is served by throwing him in prison. i think he has a bigger problem in california during the trial that s upcoming later this year on tax charges. you don t want to mess with the irs. but when it comes to this case, this is a statute that s rarely prosecuted, rarely used in a stand alone charge. usually it s a add on. then the prosecutors will add on this charge of buying a gun while they re in the throes of addiction or if there s drugs found on them at the time. also this statute thrown out by the supreme court which is very pro-gun these days, very second amechlt, all these factors tell me that i think hunter biden is more likely than not to just get probation in this case. and you re more likely to do you think there s any strength there? i think it s tough based on the facts. the facts are pretty clear in this case. their best chance on appeal is go to the conservative judges and justices and to say this is an unconstitutional statute. the fifth circuit county of appeal a very conservative court throughout this statute. they have to declare once and for all this statute is unconstitutional, it s vague and puts restrictions on your law-abiding citizens who are trying to exercise their second amendment rights. it is ironic, jonathan, you have people on the right who are very pro-gun, very pro-second amendment who are now applauding this conviction. it s a topsy-turvy political world we re living in. no doubt. we ll have much more on the politics of this a little later in the show. state attorney for palm beach county, dave aronberg, thank you for starting us off this morning. we appreciate it. next up here just hours after his son s verdict on gun charges, president biden touted his efforts to strengthen gun safety legislation. we ll bring you some of his new remarks. plus, we ll take a look at some of last night s consequential primary results from races across the country. those stories and a check on sports and weather as the sun starts from up behind the u.s. capitol. we ll be right back. from up be. pitol. we ll be right back. ah, these bills are crazy. she has no idea she s sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn t know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? even a term policy! find out if you re sitting on a goldmine. call coventry direct today at the number on your screen, or visit coventrydirect.com. this isn t charmin! no wonder i don t feel as clean. here s charmin ultra strong. 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yeah, i do. i do feel like i have the strength to be able to do it. it s just a matter of doing it. this golf course is going to test every single aspect of your game especially mentally, and just the mental discipline that it takes to play this particular golf course, and it s going to take a lot. in a stunning headline here, joey chestnut will not compete in the nathan s famous hot dog eating contest next month. the perennial champion has been banned from the fourth of july event because of his reported sponsorship deal with the competing brand named impossible foods. in a statement yesterday major league eating said in part this, we are devastated to learn joey chestnut has chosen to represent a rival brand that sells plant based hot dogs rather than competing. . in a series of posts on twitter x chestnut wrote he was gutted to learn about his ban. he said his decision will deprive the great fans of the holiday s usual joy and entertainment. chestnut has won the annual coney island contest 16 times in a row. i m not going to watch any of this footage. he s also won the last eight straight years. he ate a world record 86 hot dugs and buns in 2021 and did 62 last year to retain his title. time now for the weather and let s go to meteorologist angie lassman for the forecast. crew here can attest i closed my eyes at the very end of that reel. i too shielded my eyes. i m so sorry, joey chestnut, but i can t look at that this early in the morning but i can look at this. i ll tell you about the forecast instead. we ve got a whole lot of run already fallen across the state of florida and more to come. 7 million people under these flood watches right now, and you can see how unsettled it at this hour, and it s going to remain like that not just through the day but the next couple of days. we ve got a stationary front hanging out and more tropical moisture to tap into. and by the way already happening over places that received anywhere from 3 to 6 inches of rain yesterday, likely some more flooding concerns here through the day today and probably through the rest of the week. you can see why. rainfall up to 15 inches will be possible in parts of southwest florida. meanwhile out west is the heat that gets your attention. 18 million people are under those alerts at this time, and temperatures expected to hit the triple digits once again in phoenix today. but notice omaha, chicago headed to the 90s. by the time we get into tomorrow, the 90s will spread closer to the east coast. we ve got richmond and charlotte into the 90s, 85 degrees and cincinnati and detroit will also hit the 90s. angie lassman, thank you as always. coming up here on way too early we ll look ahead to president biden s trip to italy for the g7 summit where the ongoing war in ukraine will be one of several topics the leaders will try to attack. we ll be right back with that. ok we ll be right back with that. have you always had trouble losing weight and keeping it off? 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what else do they hope to accomplish? they ve been negotiating for months to sort of tap these frozen russian assets as waway to help fund ukraine for the rest of the year and also into 2025. what has been really unclear about this deal is who exactly is left holding the bag for these assets, say, for example, if the war ends early? because this really depends on those assets staying immobilized for a couple of years for those profits to really pay off that loan. so that s still really unclear. if this is not made, this could be a huge blow to the u.s. and they believe this could be announced this week, so that would be a very awkward situation for them to be put in because officials have been discussing this for months now. usually these things have already been worked out, their teams haven t landed together. we should expect to hear from the president much like they did last week in france ahead of the d-day anniversary a push to defend democracy in ukraine and beyond. let s turp to back here at home. the fallout from the hunter biden conviction. let s start on the political side. aides and those close to the president have said for months they didn t think the trajectory of this case would change much. now the verdict has come and it s guilty what s the early sense this will play out politically? i think aides are right this is probably have little to no impact on the electorate. particularly for democrats, independents, folks biden really needs to turn out, but it was an awkward moment yesterday for biden to be speaking at this event with gun control advocates just hours after that conviction from hunter biden. and what s been interesting from trump and republicans is they have said this conviction i just a distraction, they don t think it amounts to much, they wanted the justice department to go further even though this seems to undermine trump s claims this department is weaponized and now we ve seen them bring a conviction which was also historic for president biden and the president as well. first of all they re making claimwise no evidence whatsoever the gun charge was to cover up for corruption oilgss. that s been thoroughly investigated and nothing was there. president biden did not stop the prosecution of his own son. even if the political fallout is limited and hunter is just one remaining son. we showed earlier his embrace with him on the tarmac yesterday in wilmington. the family was gathered last night there in delaware. what is the level of concern among those close to the mr. president on how this will weigh on him in these crucial months after the election and as he awaits to see if his son potentially could face prison time. i think the real question is how is it going to weigh on him going forward? because we still have another case. of course hunter biden is facing tax charges in september in california. but the way biden has dealt with this is he s said it from i m a dad, i love my son. me and jill support our son. we ve seen family members day in and day out continue to support hunter, and that is certainly a stark contrast with donald trump who is largely without family for most of his trial and at that huge press conference when he was convicted. and biden aides are preparing for the idea trump would be on the attack. thank you for your reporting. next up here we ll go live to cnbc for an early look what s driving the day on wall street as the federal reserve is expected to announce a decision on interest rates later today. plus the united kingdom showed no economic growth last month despite claims of a turn around. what we re learning from the latest labor report and what it could mean for us back here in the united states. way too early will be back in a moment. s. way too early will be back in a moment it ain t my dad s razor, dad. ay watch it! it s from gillettelabs. this green bar releases trapped hairs from my face. gamechanga! .while the flexdisc contours to it. so the five blades can get virtually every hair in one stroke. for the ultimate gillette shaving experience. the best a man can get is gillettelabs. i m jonathan lawson, here to tell you about life insurance for the ultimate gillette shaving experience. through the colonial penn program. if you re age 50 to 85 and looking to buy life insurance on a fixed budget, remember the three p s. what are the three p s? 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jonathan, it s a multi-part structure. you ve got a political wing and a military wing. and simwar is part of the military wing, not really been seen publicly since the war broke out october 7th, seems to wield incredible power and it seems is probably inside that area of gaza, which also just points to some of the other leaders which have either been killed or seen in other locations that are oftentimes outside gaza. so he seems to wield incredible power over the negotiation process because he is basically with the hamas multiple wing. i think it s confusing how to navigate who is really in control. and i think that s what secretary blinken was saying at one point, this may come down to swaying the opinion of one man, and that one man could be simwar. let s talk about where things stand in this cease-fire proposal. there was another renewed burst of optimism yesterday when hamas did finally respond. they asked for a concrete time line regarding the permanent end of the war in gaza and withdrawal of troops from the strip there. how feasible are those requests? yeah, the time line is probably a real sticking point because you just don t know how long some of these phases will take. the process is really broken into three parts versus an initial cease-fire with prisoner swaps and withdrawal from populated areas. the second part would be a whole withdrawal from gaza, and the third would be an exchange of remaining bodies and then a reconstruction effort. that all is probably difficult for either side to really commit to. they just won t know how long it will take to do each part of that. so i think hamas is using that as a sticking point, but as you noted simwar s messages about negotiations seems to suggest the longer this goes on, the more civilian casualties there are, he sees that to his benefit politically and also suggests as you noted with the notion of the french-algerian war of the 1950s, which was a very bloody and long war for algerian independence, that the longer it goes on, now you re talking about an insurgency versus an a counter insurgency. we know after 20 years in iraq and afghanistan how difficult those processes will be. simwar definitely showing no value of human life there. give us an update where things stand in rafah, israel. we had the hostage rescue the other day, some sort of tactical efforts. no full on invasion just yet. what should we be looking for? yeah, i think it s probably a balancing act of the israeli military looking to see if they can rescue some hostages through these surgical missions, but even in this case a surgical mission rescue of four hostages, they lost some troops, many we operation. this is urban warfare at its most intense. you ve got the entire civilian population, really have been pushed down to rafah from the beginning. now you have a military encircling it. having to go house-to-house, that is a small operation in urban warfare. and i think anything else in rafah and why this peace settlement is so important, anything else would be extremely intense. you would see israeli military casualties, and you would also see more palestinians killed in this battle as well. so it s just not a good situation at all, looking forward, if this continues. clint watts, we really appreciate the analysis. please come back soon. thank you for joining us this morning. up next here, donald trump is set so meet with congressional republicans tomorrow in washington. what we re learning about that meeting, as the presumptive gop nominee looks to shore up more support. and then, coming up on morning joe, we ll bring you expert legal analysis on hunter biden s guilty verdict, as well as the president s reaction and the impact it could have on the 2024 race. plus, democratic governor wes moore of maryland will be a guest, as baltimore reopens its shipping channel after that deadly bridge collapse. also ahead, the dating nightmare. why more and more young women say they are struggling to find a partner. the features editor of the cut will bring us that conversation. morning joe just a few moments away. morning joe just a few ms away makes trading easier. with its customizable options chain, easy-to-use tools and paper trading to help sharpen your skills, you can stay on top of the market from wherever you are. e trade from morgan stanley power e trade s easy to-use tools make complex trading less complicated. custom scans can help you find new trading opportunities, while an earnings tool helps you plan your trades and stay on top of the market. e trade from morgan stanley centrum! it s scientifically formulated to help you take charge of your health. centrum gives every body a healthy foundation. supporting your - oops - energy, immunity and metabolism. and yours too! you did it! plus try centrum silver, now clinically proven to support memory in older adults. if you have chronic kidney disease you can reduce the risk of kidney failure with farxiga. because there are places you d like to be. farxiga can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. far-xi-ga here s to getting better with age. here s to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need. .without the stuff you don t. so, here s to now. boost. welcome back. tomorrow, former president donald trump and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell will meet face-to-face for the first time in more than three years. trump and mcconnell have not spoken since december of 2020, when mcconnell publicly congratulated biden for winning the presidential election. mcconnell, the longest serving senate leader in u.s. history has made clear of his distaste for trump, but yet still endorsed him back in march. joining us now to talk more on this is msnbc political analyst, brandon buck. he was a communication strategist and former aid to house speakers, ryan and boehner. brian, good to see you this morning. does anything about this meeting surprise you, that mcconnell has agreed to meet with trump, and why do you think this meeting with trump and republicans on the hill matters? yeah, mitch mcconnell hates donald trump, but he loves the idea ofwinning back the majority, securing his legacy more than anything. he ll put his pride aside. you have your party s nominee, you re going to plan for the next year, it s a normal thing that the party leader would do. obviously, they have a very strained relationship. i ll be very interested to see how trump treats mcconnell in that meeting. these are awkward, sometimes very small, intimate settings. and trump is known to call out friends or jeer at rivals. so i think there will be some tension in the room, but i imagine mcconnell will sit there very quietly, say very little, and he s not going to be leader next year. he ll allow others to set the agenda. so elsewhere, the republican party, we had some primary results last night, including nancy mace surviving a challenge backed by former speaker kevin mccarthy. what s your take? it was an interesting play by kevin mccarthy. he went around and found a lot of money from some rich votes to go after a sitting member who voted to oust him. i m with kevin mccarthy in sentiment. that the eight people that voted him out did some real damage to the institution and really broke it for a long time. but nancy mace never really showed any signs of vulnerability. it was a long shot to begin with. and the fact that we have so many member-on-member primaries or members challenging each other is really toxic for the institution. while kevin mccarthy was trying to fight back against these forces that are eating the house conference from the inside, i think he s only adding to it, because you ve got this primary this week, you ve got bob good next week. it seems like every week, you have a house republican member who has to worry about their primary, and that is the exact dynamic that has hurt us. at the end of the day, it s as if you have donald trump on your side, though. that s what s been proven time and time again. bob good, the virginia congressman who s likely to lose his primary next week, hard line conservative still potentially could lose hi primary. it s because donald trump is coming after him. here in this case, donald trump didn t go after nancy mays, and that proved on the difference. let s turn so some other 2024 story lines. we ve been covering it all morning. hunter president biden, guilty verdict yesterday. aides from both campaigns don t really think it will play, have changed much of the structure of the race. what s your analysis? does it become anything that the republicans will use or are they hamstrung by the fact that, wait a minute, hunter biden is not on the ballot, donald trump is. he just got convicted, too. i think there s been some wishful thinking that this will end some of the republican conspiracy theories about all of this, you know, showing that obviously the justice department isn t solely being used to go after donald trump. i don t think you can really worry about people like that. they ve made up their mind and they re not going to be swayed by facts like this. i m most interested to see how this is handled in the debate. you would think that joe biden would come at donald trump for being a convicted felon. not hard to see donald trump coming right back at joe biden in very personal ways and how the president would respond to something like that. that could be a very powerful moment and may handcuff joe biden a little bit. i have some reporting on this. the biden campaign is still going to lean into convicted felon, biden himself will probably on occasion do the same, potentially even at the debate, and some aides are encouraging or at least talking among themselves that if trump does come after biden about hunter, which i m sure he will, president biden will take it personally, that maybe it would be okay flash some anger. that would be a normal, personal, human response. and americans, a lot can really sympathize about people who s struggling with addiction. if he s able to rise above it, that would be smart. this is the thing we re arguing about, whose conviction is worse and doesn t inspire a lot of the gravity of the moment that we should be talking about. i don t think in the end at the end of the day, either conviction is really what people are going to be voting on. and so it s to the point you re getting at, can someone change the dynamic around it? can they rise above it in a positive way and potentially joe biden is well positioned to do that. but for that and so many other reasons, that debate now just two weeks or so away looms a very important marker in this race. we really appreciate you being here. msnbc political analyst, brandon buck. thank you, as always. come back soon. and thanks to all of you for getting up way too early on this wednesday morning. morning joe starts right now. the contrast today is just staggering. apparently when a republican is convicted, it s weaponization, but when a democrat is convicted, the president s son, no less, that s justice. i mean, give me a break. do republicans still believe that president biden is weaponizing the justice system? because if he is, he s sure doing a lousy job. and as usual, the only trump derangement syndrome going on around here is on the other side of the aisle. people say that biden orchestrated the quick of his ow
ag from billings montana, i thought we were supposed to swim away from the shark know we have to punch the shark, which one isn t? you punch firstly is a way. i m telling you an expert told me that s the way to get out alive. start from oceanside california, if biden refuses to leave the white house its because you can t find his way out. maybe he doesn t know if he loses. k. from tester, virginia, biden will be in the beach peat-mac it s joe who will lead the white house. all, joe. doctor biden, accused me. always remember, i am watters, and this is my wo world. sean: welcome to hannity and tonight here are those six words in the english language that every every democrat loves to recite, no one is above the law. not even turn on fake new cnn, msdnc,, you will hear that phrase a lot, but only when you talk about trump or other republicans. when someone on the left commits a crime, that s a very different story. for example, over the weekend, you had rioters dressed up as islamic extremists by delighting historic monuments. c., resulting law enforcement, drilling project out of the park ranger, no consequences. it looks like they they were trying to have an insurrection peat-mac there were no arrests, no fines, no dramatic leaves on the left for anyone to be equitable peat-mac will have a full report and more video at this weekend s disgusting right along with a message for those who were mad at israel for successfully and quite heroically for wing four hostages in gaza. and another message from fake new cnn which seem to think that israeli hostages were simply released. know they were rescued. but first we turn our attention to some of the most shameless and morally corrupt people in america that would be there biden s. many in the mob of the media they like to point out that hunter biden s ongoing trial is an end like example that even if biden conveys justice but in reality hunter s trial is but a perfect example of the links your government will goes to allegedly to protect the son of a prominent democrat. know according to the very real contents of hundred s very real laptop the president s and engaged in a life or crime for many years, you the evidence seems transparent win were running but you decide. he was on a massive scale that remember the fallout of the 2020, 51 intel expert signing off on a letter claiming the laptop had all the hallmarks of russian disinformation? this after three years of lies being cuddled over and over again, the russia hoax by the media mob got all of the salajko all of it based on a dirty dossier pallet rca becomes the basis of lying to fisa courts four separate times. two of them signed by mr higher james guo me. in reality that the so-called experts were spreading this information. all they knew about the laptop was nothing remotely only knew they wanted joe biden to win. you think had apologized? don t hold your breath. know that the laptop is official evidence at hunter s gun trail, fox news digital reached out to the all 51 intel experts that sign on the letter and most had no regrets at all whatsoever for my they got what they wanted. the hell joe biden get the election in 2020. so even claiming that it was the patriotic thing to do. a means to an end. anyway of course joe biden is no president. the evidence of the alleged wrongdoing on that laptop is shocking and murky have rampant drug use, hundreds of thousands of dollars seemingly, i can say for su sure, spent on soliciting sex, purported tax evasion on millions of dollars in income that needs to be invest investigated. refusing to even file tax returns in certain years. along with the possibility that it should be investigated, of money laundering possibility of tied to his own father. many americans can rightly sympathize sure with his addictions and personal struggles but not the millions of in millions and millions made with businesses and mitch he admits he had zero experience at all or the shady actions of his father s department of justice, which is politicized and when the size weaponize. according to the new york times that the orgy prosecutor was gavin white remember he s going to sleep the whole thing plan a under the rug, no charges at all after purposely letting the statute of limitations run out on some of the more serious on to plan b mack that was that because the judge actually read the plea deal have started asking real questions about the totally completely unprecedented nature of the deal. and i were on to plan c. well after years of investigating, let s make this guy the special prosecutor in delaware in a courthouse there and hope for the best. the jury is of has officially begun the deliberations, you know, any outcome would surprise me including outright acquittal or a hung jury but they ll decide if hunter is guilty on the three felony charges. out miraculous hunter of lying on an atf form when purchasing a gun contrary that he was not addicted to drugs. as we alleges that hunter illegally possessed the gun while addicted to drugs were actively using drugs. the evidence seems to me overwhelming based on evidence from the trial, one day after binder can hunter texted his girlfriend, he was waiting for his dealer and the next day hunter texted his girlfriend, he smoking crack so let s be clear, these allegations are not a joke. joe biden of his fellow democrats d. love to lecture you about gun control in fact president biden is now proposing tighter regulations surrounding lawful gun ownership and steep penalties for anyone who dares to step out of line? and his own son is on trial but gun crimes. but if this is the only child that hunter! this will only prove that biden s the orgy as we have been telling you is politicized and weaponize. the judge instructed the jury to ignore hunter s prior to the first family but let s be clear that it s because of those ties that hunter now is only facing gun charges in the biden friendly menu of delaware. he is not getting the normal drug treatment like trump got in new york with the valuation of mar-a-lago at a mere $18 million in a case that involves valuations. the judge in a civil trial was more guilty of valuations fraud then anything the accused donald trump of. and, of course, we have the case of alvin bragg, misdemeanor statute of limitations expired charge to a felony population parameter don t even tell trump what you re charging him with. you know, more impotently about that biden bidens, whited foreign oligarchs, whether they pay hunter biden millions of millions of dollars according to the johnson grass lease in that report? what service was he capable of providing if he was admittedly addicted to drugs at the time? know if he was lobbying on behalf of a foreign entity, why didn t he register with far argument isn t required by law? invited hunter and the entire biden family use over 20 shell corporations according to the house oversight committee with those echoes actually used to follow foreign funds to different members of the family? interesting questions, right? the big i financially benefit from hunter s foreign deals and anywhere? according to the laptop that apparently is very real while the big i had 10% put aside for him and hunter complaints bitterly about giving her fist and complain about paying for tops. [applause] home report everyone of you watching this show about meeting with his son s business associates a crew member has enjoyed it and over he never one time ever spoke to his son come brother or anybody about this foreign business deals. devon archer says that he recalls joe biden calling to at least 20 meetings hunter and his foreign business partners. and what about marissa mark? the ukrainian energy giants mark hunter admits no experience in oil, gas, gaheer gran willy goes on good morning america but then gets paid millions to set on that company s board? and then joey might recall, bragged about leveraging a billion of your dollars to get the ukrainian prosecutor investigating this company and his son fired? brags about getting it all done within six ours. the result of that firing? hunter continues to get paid for zero experience of the remainder chinese energy conglomerate see will take seaver for another day. ethicacy hunter s gun trail is really just the tip of the iceberg. rightly i would call it low hanging fruit when it comes to hunter. and just below the surface, it s not a pretty picture. and make no mistake. where family can ostracize their own 5-year-old granddaughter and ignore her existence until shamed by moreno at the new york times and the never even follow-up to talk to her, meet with her, include her, it s safe to assume the worst. of course, everyone including hunter other innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, right? so tonight we continue to await the verdict at a delaware out of delaware, not exactly unfairly menu for biden. you re reaction be a fox news conservator jonathan mack let s get your take on the case as an outside observer following it closely as you ve got i felt the evidence was overwhelming incontrovertible that i thought actually i was actually pretty impressed with the prosecution in this case indicates that eventually did put on but only because they were forced to. the prosecution did an admirable job. they were right on the very in a very tight case. was most impressive is that a below the defense council put up a series of differences that collapse within two days. particular this methodically destroyed all of these cla claims. and in the normal case that jury would ve been out for an hour and come back with a conviction. i mean this is very obviously in a fence that was comm committed. but that is not what the real difference is. i mean as implausible as these arguments are there really placeholders. the defense is playing to a delaware jury. this is biden town. this is wilmington. this is where the home of the biden family resides. and i think they re looking for jury nullification. and to add to that there s a certain degree of sympathy for someone who had a tragic fight with drug addiction. so we will see what happens tomorrow. there s no question in my view that the government struck the landing you re. the approve the case. the question is whether they can get the jury consider the evidence and not just who the defendant is. sean: what do you think the most and i do respect abby as an attorney. i think the one thing hunter has going for him is abby abbe lowell and i would argue there are not many great attorneys and dc but he is a good attorney for sure. and i thought you did as effective a job as he could considering the hand that he was dealt with was awful. with that said, do you think he was able to cast doubt in any area that sticks out in your mind? no. you know, the argument that was made by him starting out was leaving someone else check the box back and they brought this mr cleveland forward who doesn t do that out of the water and said i stood there, watch him check that box and the other boxes and pulling to take his time which he did the emma keenan said while he was really sort of bum rushed into buying a gun and cleveland said no, he came in intending to buy a gun. and then there was this ludicrous argument that he had this sort of immaculate sobriety are at least he was just drinking, not using drugs, and the government destroyed it and it showed it catch the very next day were you trying to meet mookie to score more drugs today after that passing that he is doing crack in a car. any he had with the system forward to say that when they saw him do crack, he was doing it every 20 minutes. so live these things survived within two days. but again sean: i apologize, i thought you were finished. you agree with me that the real important issues that people should be concerned about and this is a serious issue of the crime aspects and charging him he here. but i think the more serious issue involves how much money that hunter was making without experience at a time he s addicted to drugs, seemingly offering those services that we can identify as of now. that is exactly right. you know, what s amazing about this case is that it blew away their own defense that the media has been repeating for years that they ve been noticing that hunter biden really was this incredibly competent in demand businessman and international experts. in his book and in this trial is clear that he was addicted to having a vertical time managing the most basic parts of his life. but he was getting millions from his companies. yeah. sean: jonathan turley, professor, think you for joining us, fox news legal analyst, harvard law professor, alan dershowitz, professor you actually on a satellite tonight. i don t have you on your little, you know, zoom thing. it s great to see you little bit clearly comak will start with you tonight. accurate to your take on the case and you agree with the last question asked professor turley which is about, you know, this is low hanging fruit as far as i m concerned considering the millions and millions of dollars that they brought into this family at a time he s addicted to drugs and, you know, with no experience admittedly an interview on good nourishment good morning america? the best thing they could possibly happen to donald trump is if hunter biden gets acquitted. because the evidence against hunter biden is so much more compelling of the legal issues which were compelling than anything against donald trump and it will prove beyond any doubt that this is all about where the trial was conducted at that if your trump in you tried in new york is automatic guilt and if you re biting and you tried in delaware, it s a different bird. to the best thing you could possibly happen to donald trump is the acquittal of the biden base in all the. would also be a good thing for america. it would uncover and disclose the horrible double standard that our criminal justice system is going through. maybe we can get some reform. maybe we can do something about it. right now our criminal justice system is the laughingstock of the world and i feel you re so horrible about it. i ve been with able to 60 years of my life to try to defend and explain the legal system based on neutral principles that legal system is gone. the trump case destroyed it. and if there were an acquittal in this case, at least it will expose that. know there maybe a condition in this case but is often it is so overwhelming that won t hurt donald trump payment but if there were an acquittal it would help donald trump and were mostly in the court of public opinion, nobody would believe that the new york there s an acquittal in this case. sean: is such a difference in terms of the venue. it seems that if you want equal justice and equal application of our laws and the one constitutional order, it s all going to depend on the value of it all going to depend on whether are politicize and organize the prosecutor may be and how abusively bias a judge can b be. yeah, as a hole and the notion comes to is additionally of impartial jury. but here, the facts are so simple. the law is clear, the evidence of guilt overwhelming other events argument that hunter was in denial about his addictions. so there is some that is so absurd. but look if hometown jury is already in your back pocket then jonathan is right, sympathy injury notification might actually work. and it doesn t matter that jurors are not allowed to negate the law. they do it anyway sometimes because secrecy of deliberations protects them. they can do as they please without consequence. but having said that, prosecutors to have an advantage. it would have to prove that hunter was high on drugs or addicted on the day he brought the gun, only during the general time frame and that was proven conclusively threw text messages, photographs, witnesses, his own words from the book he wrote their mark hunter it turns out was the best witness against hunter, which is precisely why he chose not to testify, he would ve been completely shredded on cross-examination. sean: predictions, professor dershowitz. i think the evidence is so overwhelming, there could be a conviction. but i wouldn t be surprised if we saw jury notification. remember calgary litigation cuts both ways. would have been in new york when jury notification. the jury found that innocent person who committed no crime whatsoever guilty because of the judges instruction and because the prosecutor made up case. that when jury notification with judge nullification. this could very well be a case of jury notification as well. sean: prediction, gregg jarrett. this has been a no-nonsense, honest judge that federal judge. huge difference between this judge and train one. in the jurors follow their duty as they must there will be a conviction. sean: all right. no outcome, of the guilty verdict up acquittal, hung jury, nothing will surprise me or. but we will see. thank you all. appreciated. when we come back, things are so bad, i mean, so bad for democrats, you ve got prominent democrats and even a prominent election forecaster 40 the idea that biden should drop out of the race, our friend james carville is using his mind. got players on him and much more as hannity continues. erogast thanks to a unique combination of herbs, iberogast helps relieve six digestive symptoms to help you feel better. six digestive symptoms. the power of nature. iberogast. 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(kev) . i guess we re movin . we ve always loved taking care of our home, from the gardening to any repairs that come up. but last year, grandpa here broke his arm. snowboarding. snowshoeing. anyway, he was fine, but it takes longer to heal now. and we prefer to stay active. we realized some home maintenance jobs aren t worth the risk. that s when we called leaffilter to protect our gutters. leaffilter s patented filter technology keeps debris out of your gutters for good. guaranteed. they gave us a free inspection, and we got our system installed that week. our leaffilter trusted pros will clean out your gutters, repair or replace your gutters, and install leaffilter, america s #1 gutter protection system. honestly, my only regret is not calling sooner. it s true, leaffilter has saved us so much time and the peace of mind. now we can focus on what we really enjoy. join millions of satisfied homeowners. get leaffilter. call 833 leaffilter today, or visit leaffilter.com sean: with your president joe and his struggles mounting in this environment until election day hundred 47 days and can t democrats are sounding the alarm yesterday james carville once again saying you does not think that biden should have ever run again. take a look. we have it is in a choice that i was crazy about. actually was very public that i thought that president biden should not run for reelection. but the lack of enthusiasm among young people from public-policy or public service of being! being involved in the public square is quite disheartening and i can understand it on one level. i ve talked to them and if you like things are not working for them, they feel like 280-year-old guys don t mean much to them. and i m really afraid we re going to lose our generation of young people. sean: democrats sea losing the core coalition of real in people, african-americans of historic earlier today election forecaster nate silver echo his comment seeing democrats maybe would ve been better off if biden had stepped do down. yesterday than your times even publishing a peace highlighting biden s long list of bizarre lives including his claim that he used to drive an 18 wheeler that he was the first in his family to go to college after his uncle was eaten by cannibals. he received an appointment with the naval academy from his future senate opponents mckee got involved with the civil rights movement at the age of 15. we know that ally mckee was arrested on the front porch with a black family during disintegration at a local neighborhood and that he never earned 400,000 dollars in a year. will of course the new york times at various points they kind of downplayed these blatant lies as hyperbole or exaggeration and those are the ones they included. that only the tip of the iceberg. take a look at your screen because were scrolling more land has told over the years. by the way the new york times who are you are very welcome to use our former comprehensive list of joe biden lies if you ever decide to abandon your corrupt and abusive bias and by the way that you can even give me attribution. and joe did partner with that friend of his that mentor of his complex right california klansman robert kkk bird stop busting in the immigration of public schools. remember julie said he didn t want public schools to become racial jungles. they might want to cover that too. there is biden s struggles continued to mount, trump is not slowing down at all. is the research is allegedly in full swing. meanwhile biden s desperate election-year water crackdown is already feeling as illegals continue to flood over the border which with sources knuckling out 10,000 were operated thursday alone. four time the limit of which biden said he will stop processing asylum claims. in other words it was all smoke and mirrors are not real. here with reaction, harris culture, mark penn haux of formulary and is fearless. there s no such thing as a fearful tabular in any way. an object out for miller and. let s get your take. is a long list of people now. s james carville, i was before mark penn gotta let him speak for himself. but it s brandon jones, it s david axelrod, it s maureen dowd, nate silver now joining the chorus. you have been saying, do you still believe 140 days out, do you think you will replace biden? i absolutely believe they will replace biden. i believe is going to happen either at the convention or shortly thereafter. i think the democrats or four too strategic and therefore too used to winning and they enjoy winning four too much to take arrest with joe biden and i know they took a risk in 2020 but when we look back at the debates in 2020 and wheeler, when he was nearly newly elected he was in far better shape than that he is no and he was slipping then. thank they can possibly take that risk. who believe they will swap him out. i also think that when it comes to this first debate we need to actually raise our expectations of joke because as counting it as a word if he is able to step up bright and complete a sentence is giving him far too much credit because then he ll claim the victory that is located after the state of the union because he was able to get through it in one piece. so we have to raise our expectations of biden and we also have to put the onus on the democrat agenda and not just the messenger, but the actual message. because if and when they do swap out biden we have to be ready on the republican side and cannot be cut flat-footed if they bring gavin newsom and anything shiny new toy, we can t let that happen in the strategy of the democrats is unmatched can never forget that. sean: i don t think it would be gavin. i think it would be more likely be what more of their their bypass vise presidents harris. mark, and anybody really conclude anything else, that smart number, like yourself, you really don t want biden, do you? well i think i ll defer that one, per se. but like i didn t think he was going to run. you decided to run back and you know what, east of the democratic primaries. these are he s delegates, is his convention. the idiot he is not going to be the nominee i think is a fantasy. getting the party is around him, i don t know why jim said what he is that there is not really particularly useful at this point. the only thing i ll say is this debate sean: well do you know what he said what he said? is a little risky. sean: do you know he said it? what s the point of saying that now? sean: it s obvious this guy is a mumbling bumbling, stumbling, fumbling, you know, you can barely string sentences together. however,, i do take tommy s and mr thing will see the return of jack up joe. whatever joe drank at eight, took before the state of the union, maybe it was just read bull and caffeine pills. i don t know. whatever it was that that was not the normal joe. we never saw it before and we haven t seen it since. but we will see it for the debates. know there are some even saying, mark of the donald trump might be wise to just pass on the first debate with bill his nominated linda beat him. what would you say to that? i would say he accepted i it. accepted an alliance that. if i were donald young out of them somebody negotiating here. but i would think you out now without really looking cowardly. and i think biden has, you know, said he went to meet the challenge. i think it s a big task whether you think intact or not. if you can get to that debate at the leftist campaign and if you can t suspect it might actually be joe my have been donald trump a fever and i see this affectionately by insisting that with is not his term to speak that the mood your reaction? i would hope a lot of things for that first debate. obviously is stacked against onto and we know that but i think donald trump had an incredible opportunity in this first debate back more presidential that he s ever acted in his entire life to push everything on joe and joe s feeling agenda and his failed policies which is a democrat failed policies and agenda. demek from justice back and he lets joe talk himself in to a corner of the normal jump will not force the images have to restrain himself which i believe he can do apple it and can act as prejudicial and dignified as possible and he will win against joe biden and his failed policies. you simply can t stand on those and quite frankly can stand at all. sean: all right. let me ask you this. if, in fact, joe, for whatever reason, mark penn, went out. tommy is convinced it would be gavin newsom. i m not so sure. i don t think it would be gavin. that is my guess. have no insight, knowledge, except he only and over and over and over again, when i interviewed him and interrelate with governor desantis that he wouldn t do it. okay. so i think the most likely person if it s not vice president harris would be governor whitmer of that is my take. people uprooted the name michelle obama. everything she s up to the job myself. would be the most likely democrat, who would you pick if you had to choose somebody? well again, and have to go through the history here. these delegates were nominated for this tickets. harris i think would be the likely nominee if, for some reason, at any reason, joe biden had to remove himself. you can bet on that is almost a certainty feature you think it would be kamala harris? yes absolutely. sean: all right. the game is on. i don t know what you guys want to bet but, you know, feel free, you know, off air. thank you, both. when we come back all right four israeli hostages, thank god, held by hamas terrorists since october the 7th and they were rescued during what was a daring raid this weekend. we have the video of it. but your vice president is making sure to appease her far left base rather than praising those involved in the heroic read and we ll tell you what the left also said about this heroic moment. you think they would be happy the hostages were freed of the people that were involved in taking them, yes some of them died back but every death not taken place since october 7th, the blood is on hamas. 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[ gunshots ] [ gunshots ] [simultaneous talking] [ gunshots ] [ gunshots ] sean: a very courageous, serious complex military operation but over the fake news cnn one hostage release? know that would be a rescue. keep in mind that is in network that is supposed to host the upcoming presidential debate. so can fake jake tapper and dana bash really be objective or test object or trusted? of their liberal talkshow host color not generalist as they came claim to be. also vice president harris she warned the palestinians, tragically killed during the raids and called for an and back to the war complaining of course to her extremist left-wing base which showed up in full force this weekend in front of the white house and probably started vandalizing monuments in lafayette square reportedly screaming at police and secret service in demanding the illumination of the state of intro. secret service agents, you know, were told to kill themselves there s a lot the release for some of these radicals and by the way we were forced to retreat from the insane mob. anyway here with reaction of former senior aide to president trump stephen miller and from l affaire project you know, the people that are responsible for the murder of 1200 the people that took all these israelis and americans hostage and is real bravely is risking lives to go save the lives of people i argue that every death of every palestinian that blood is on the hands of hamas that started this war that killed these israelis and the worst terrorist attack in history and it s miraculous that they got these four hostages and that would be called a rescue not a release. you re reaction. sean, s right to be with you here can mike mcivor detail you re absolutely correct. under the laws of armed conflict it is hamas, a terrorist group is responsible for the death of civilians both israeli civilians and palestinian civilians. but have to ask yourself of knowing is happening in this war right now, at what point under the laws of armed conflict do you lose your civilian status? because let us not forget that it was over 2000 gallons civilians that broke into israel on october the 7th mark it was the garden civilians along with hamas that tortured, that raped, that murdered, that burned israeli civilian babies al alive. it was garden civilians let then took israeli civilians as hostages. that kept civilians who murder others civilians and you must be sure that no matter what you call yourself, if you kidnap and murder israeli civilians the idf will rightfully hold you accountable. like any sort of like that coastal illiterates, you know, hollywood leftist george clooney knows literally wanting bibi netanyahu to be brought up on war crimes has he is literally trying to defend his own country from radical islamic terrorists, you know, how people like that moral clarity stephen miller got a number for the life of me understand. israel has the right to self-determination have to defend their country from a group that has in their charter a call for israel s destruction at what would ve been 40,000 dead americans in our database under population and then you have, you know, jack ash actual actors like george clooney and his wife going after the prime minister for trying to preserve their country? really? you know, where is your moral compass, mr clooney? although mr i being too polite like much. there isn t one. there s no moral compass. the radical left in this country has decided that it s on the side of hamas. is as simple as that a commercial is a genocidal terrorist organization. one of the most evil and vi vile, repugnance, organizations alive today or at any point in the history of humanity as has been discussed congaree county butcher valley murder of the torture they sexually enslave women and children, broke barbarians. joe biden democrat party is now playing for the pro- hamas in this country. they re playing for whatever sliver of voters in this country think is sympathetic to hamas. know that s morally indefensible, but i would also say its politically idiotic because for every row hamas brought in this country there are 20 motors, 30 voters who are horrified and as appalled by the atrocities of hamas as we are on this panel tonight. i believe joe biden will pay a deer price for cozying up to that segment of the u.s. electorate. sean: this is one of the saddest moments in u.s. history are not only did he have advocate america s role on the world stage as the leader of the cause of liberty and freedom and that he also surrendered in the war against radical islamic terrorism by saying were not going to help israel defend against those people that attack them on october 7th, you know, just the perfect bedfellow to raise money george clooney and his wife thank you both. appreciate. coming up another truck joe biden virtually tied in the state of virginia, the commonwealth. wildebeest it flipped reed in november? 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joining us with more coverage in the governor glenn youngkin. governor adolescent gaheer victory really shocked the world in many ways because a lot of people like myself included, that virginia had gone solidly blue as the northern virginia was hired too many dc employees will vote for the bureaucracy and he became that much more difficult of a state to win. is a state in play for the long-term? i believe it is and that s exactly what the polls are showing us. just like georgia and pennsylvania and wisconsin at michigan and nevada and arizona, those battleground states are seeing the exact same kind of statement that virginians are making. they want a strong america. a1 america has economic strength. not that biden terminated economy establish in conventional flowing over every day. we see it in virginia, we literally have five virginians dying and i read from the demo overdose and we had two illegal immigrants crash negates at quantico in a box truck recently. anyone in america that has energy independence. we are so tired that i can hear every single day of being told that you have to buy an ev if you live in california but not in virginia anymore because we declare our independence or that, in fact,, you have to pay 20, 30, 40% more for a gallon of gas because of the biden field energy policy. they want trump back in the white house because he built a strong america. and that s exactly what we ve seen in virginia over the course of the last couple of years there a commonsense conservative policy works. we ve unleashed you referring economy in virginia and i think what is the international level. yes virginia is in play come we ve got hard work. but i m telling you when they put the records of president clinton against president biden, i believe that virginians and americans are going to find themselves pulling the lever for president trump. sean: when i was with president trump last weekend and i did an interview with him your name came up and he asked me if i spoke to you often and i said well occasionally, you know, we have spoken and you come on the show and he said when you told him, tell him i m going to give a call. i want i would say expect a call from president trump. i m just a mere messenger. you know, what about northern virginia because it always carries me because there are so many dc bureaucrats that s live in the commonwealth of virginia that work in dc and how big a percentage of the vote is that going to end up being the commonwealth? in order to win virginia like we did in 2021, you have to lose both in virginia less badly. and what we did of course was we won hispanic vote, we one the asian boat. we one the independent vote. people already are ready for change. and in 2021 we were ready to see parents put back in the head of the table, back in control of the children s lives. they were tired of government taking all of their hard-earned money and putting it in government coffers were sleeping in in her pocket. they wanted a chance to build their lives the way they wanted to build them not being told what to do all the time, mandated masts and oh by the way man it was kind of car you drive. this is virginia and, of course, i think this is america. and therefore the plan to win virginia is of course to lose northern virginia, less bad but to get over 40% of the vote and not get out in the rest of the state and that s exactly what we did in 2021 and when you look at president from straight across virginia that s exactly what he can do. sean: limit your final question. and donald trump and i know you your name has not been out there prominently but if the long-term called you and ask you to run with him what would you say, governor? well first, i would be honored and humbled and tell him that there is a ton of talent the republican party today and i ve seen them everywhere and it s my job to finish my time as governor and help him win virginia. but i ll tell you what, we have to make sure alec to get donald trump back in the white house because america can t withstand another four years of biden. sean: is not a hard no? let not your heart be troubled there is a realistic view of the fact that there are so much talent that i think he can have a great choice and find lots of people. sean: i understand. all right. governor that always great to have you on the program. when we come back, the white house pulling agencies of internet, did not go away well for joe. straight ahead. home inspectors, general contractors, roofers; all kinds of pros recommend leaffilter. why? it s engineered for performance. because with leaffilter s patented filter technology, there s no gaps, no openings, no place for debris to get in at all. leaffilter is a permanent solution we install on your existing gutters. you ll never have to climb a ladder to clean out your gutters again. our installation process is simple and easy. just give us a call and set up an appointment today. we ll come out and give you a free gutter inspection. if your gutters are sagging, we ll repair them. if they re broken, we ll replace them. if they re in good shape, our local trusted pros will install leaffilter in as little as a few hours. and the best part? 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[cheering and applause] greg: yes! yes!