So i can t draw any other conclusions and i don t draw very many conclusions when somebody lies to congress. chuck, you want in here i know. cohen is a liar. a convicted liar and admitted liar, but prosecutors don t build cases on one liar s testimony. there s a thing called corroboration and there seems to be quite a bit. glen mentioned mr. weisselberg and mr. picker. lord knows who else might be in the room when they were discussing. tapes. might be tapes, probably e-mails. likely documents and probably people that these people talked to, and good prosecutors can always figure a way to get that stuff into evidence. you don t build a case on one person. you build it on many people and many pieces of corroborative evidence. that s how we do it. turn to you and ask how things changed politically. pete talking about the appetite among republicans in congress to deal with this, but this was a spectacle in the federal courthouse in manhattan.
Have you ever? well, there s nothing like him in the sense, i mean, to lie is trump. that s what he does. is he a professional liar. he will really launched his political career on making up the obama birther story and he took it from there. so we shouldn t be surprised that he lies and makes alibis for things, but we re starting to see through him. i mean, look at this day in history today. michael cohen sentenced for three years in jail? that s the president of the united states personal fixer and they re promising more story to come out on michael cohen and then the national enquirer publisher, mr. picker, is suddenly strikes a deal with the prosecution and believe me, it s not just you know, stormy daniels and mcdougal. there s probably going to be more there. so we re at the beginning of a process of unraveling of the president here. and to be associated with donald trump, to be in his cabinet, to
Immunity deal. so i don t know that that case is going to go much further. but it is a certainly evidence of a conspiracy. so this is according to the journal, john barrett, trump met in august 2015 with david pecker ceo of the company that owns the national enquirer. peck erg offered to pay for the silence of women who might publicize sexual affairs. . the bottom line here this stormy daniels saga isn t going away. some trump supporters turn up their nose and say what are you doing this. the saga uncovered michael cohen who has now been prosecuted or indicted i should say by the southern district of new york. has also made the president a liar it shows him on air force one denying it. and now it is true. this is not going away. it connects obviously not to just cohen but to picker to other employees of the trump organization. then the trump organization is trump tower.
Care of a personal matter, why would it occur to you to go through one david pecker? david pecker is the chairman of american media, which is the publisher. they own they own the national enquirer. yes, heard of them. now every time i pass the national enquirer, it has a different meaning to me. he has been a friend of donald trump s and michael cohen s actually for decades. they had previously done a business relationship that goes back. we ve written about this before. in august 2015 as we have written about in our story today, michael cohen arranges a meeting for picker and trump in donald trump s office. at this time donald trump has risen to the top of most polls and he meets with pecker in his office and says how can you help me with my campaign, and david picker has a few tricks up his sleeve and says one thing i can do sk called catch and kill, we
Usually the answer is no. the u.s. attorneys have to get approval from their boss and get to main justice and it s a big pain and it could blow up in their face if that person ends up being the real doer. now you have somebody that you haven t heard about the way we did michael cohen but yet he gets immunity. picker gets immunity. these people must have compelling information and sooner or later, this is the kind of thing that will surface and we re going to know. we promised our friday night audience, if you stay with us, we ll give you an explanation and we ve done that. with danny cevallos and glen kirschner, gentlemen, thank you so much. coming up, the latest on the condition of john mccain following the sad announcement from arizona today when we come back.
To see if that person is being truthful before anything is made of it for purposes of an indictment or any other usage. glen, what do you make of what tom winter just said. sdny built this case thinking they might have to take it to trial and gave immunity to picker and maybe other people. now it s all sitting there because one person pleaded guilty and the other person that would be charged is the president of the united states. well, first of all, chris, i actually believe that there is a narrow pathway to indicting a sitting president even though the olc, office of legal council memo has announced the department of justice will not do that, you know, the individual who actually participated in drafting that memo kneel cattal, the acting solicitor general himself opined that an exception could be applied for to the deputy attorney general if bob mueller saw fit to apply for that exception. then the deputy attorney general would have to make a decision. to answer your question, you
Know, mr. picker being granted immunity is another very bad sign for the president because immunity is being granted for one of three reasons. either david pecker having a privilege against self-incrimination can perhaps provide incriminating information about the president or he can provide corroborating information about the story michael corner has provided or my money s on number three which is both. so again, i think this is another sort of difficult development for the president. we should say that picker ran ami as essentially a sort of adjunct almost to the trump campaign. these are some of their covers politico magazine put together in 2016 about hillary clinton. you can see what they re you know are, where their perspective was. they were very, very strongly in the trump camp. do you see, joyce, what do you see next in this sdny part of the story?
Filled with documents on hush money payments it made for and damaging stories it killed about one donald trump. the man who reportedly kept that safe was just granted immunity for cooperating with law enforcement. a source telling nbc news that david pecker, ceo of the parent company america media, inc. was granted immunity for providing ins in the probe of cohen. according to other outlets, the editor-in-chief for the enquirer dylan howard got a similar deal. they report the two the men fearful the documents might be used against ami removed them from the safe in the weeks before the president s inauguration. it s unclear whether the documents have been destroyed or moved to a location known to fewer people. according to prosecutors, picker and howard both played a role in the campaign finance violations to which cohen pleaded guilty this week. crimes that he, of course, says
And if michael cohen didn t cooperate, they would have to go to trial. so when you re preparing a case and you re getting ready to go to trial, you want to line up witnesses. we saw it in the manafort trial where there were a number of people that had use immunity testimony that may be different than here. it s somebody who can say, i can give you 100% of the story of what happened but 1% might lead to me getting into trouble. i want immunity from that. when you look at this particular instance, if david pecker was able to provide them or fill in the gaps of things they didn t know or explain some of the evidence they seized from michael cohen, that would be a situation here where he it wouldn t be flipping because he s not been charged with anything. it just would have been his testimony would be useful to them. do we know what if picker spent time with investigators in the southern district of new york talking to them? presumably he spent time talking with them. what we don t know is whether or not that was in front of a grand jury. it may not in applicable. we don t know how often.
Saw fit to apply for that exception. then the deputy attorney general would have to make a decision. to answer your question, you know, mr. picker being granted immunity is another very bad sign for the president because immunity is being granted for one of three reasons. either david pecker having a privilege against self-incrimination can perhaps provide incriminating information about the president or he can provide corroborating information about the story michael corner has provided or my money s on number three which is both. so again, i think this is another sort of difficult development for the president. we should say that picker ran ami as essentially a sort of adjunct almost to the trump campaign. these are some of their covers politico magazine put together in 2016 about hillary clinton. you can see what they re you know are, where their perspective was. they were very, very strongly in