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VFWPA: Decision by MSG Summit is a joke

The Vanuatu Free West Papua Association (VFWPA) has made its view in relation to the Melanesian Spearhead Group (MSG) Leaders’ Summit stance on the United Liberation Movement of West Papua

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KOIMA chairman ordained pastor

KOIMA chairman ordained pastor

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New Day Sunday-20140622-10:40:00

something that does not represent our denomination. there are other materials on our publishing -- in our publishing that come from a publishing company that don't represent our position, but i think this one has become so inflammatory that it is a problem. >> we need to bring in rabbi rick jacobs, the president from the union for reformed judaism. thank you for being with us. i'm sure that you had a lot of conversations with your community there. how do they perceive this message from the presbyterian community? >> thank you. well, i actually was in detroit with heath and the presbyterian leadership at the general assembly and what's very clear to us is as you just mentioned, the zionism unsettled which is still available on the website, is one of the most hateful vicious attacks on judaism, the jewish people and the state of israel we have ever experienced.

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New Day Sunday-20140622-10:41:00

i went to detroit to engage with my presbyterian colleagues to be able to find a way to express to them how deeply hurtful it would be if they were to pass their divestment resolution which they did. and i just -- listening to my colleague and i'm very grateful to heath for the invitation for me to be at the general assembly, but when he says he's been around lots of jewish people who are not upset, i can tell you that i represent the overwhelming majority of the american jewish community. literally millions and we are all united. not united about everything but on this we are completely united, that this act of divestment which is whatever the language said, it is an affirmation of the global bds, boycott divestment and sanctions movement, the global bds claimed this as a victory. this is a very hurtful act that causes the entire jewish community not only pain but a sense of betrayal from the

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New Day Sunday-20140622-10:39:00

right now to see how we're going to handle that in the future. and the second part is in regard to the apartheid, the relationship there is the fact that pressures against the south african government did help to bring about an end to mistreatment. that's the relationship that we're talking about here. >> can you explain how you don't have control, you either sell it or you don't? >> the statement, the -- go ahead. >> the zionism unsettled. all i'm ta saying that has been on our list, it takes -- we've been here at the general assembly, it takes a bit of time for us to be able to move forward on what is going to continue to be sold and what is not. i can't speak for the fact that i don't speak for the presbyterian publishing company but i can say that our denomination is not in favor of that and my impression is that it will be either removed or it will at least be identified as

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New Day Sunday-20140622-10:49:00

sounds as though it is supportive. and i can see why it can be interpreted. i want it known that the presbyterians wanted very much to say we are with our jewish brothers and sisters in seeking peace and the intent as i understood it those split and very close, was to look for ways that they thought would best make this happen, and divestment was their choice. >> and just to make sure we get the number right from your organization, the count 310 to 303, that was the final vote. so very divided assembly as we know there in detroit. on that vote specifically. rabbi jacobs, we extended this as much as we can. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. all righty. so 12 hours and counting folks from the big game between team usa and portugal.

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New Day Sunday-20140622-10:46:00

thanks for staying with us on "new day." let's bring back in heath raddy and rob buy rick jacobs, the president of the union for reform judaism, the largest branch of american judaism. >> thank you for sticking with us through the break. rabbi, i wanted to say we read your letter to delegates at the presbyterian church general assembly. you said in order to bring about desired changes it's imperative the changes attain the goal at hand. if the goal is two states for two peoples these divestment moves are not the answer. let me ask you, what is the answer in your opinion? >> well, one very concrete alternative that i put before the general assembly, i invited gravy persons, the stated clerk of the church and heath rada, the moderator, to come meet me

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New Day Sunday-20140622-10:38:00

divestment you mention and you compare it to divestment in south africa in the 80s, and relation to the apartheid policy. there is also the publication zionism unsettled in which you use phrases like ethnic cleansing, apartheid and cloaking secularism with messyianism. it seems as if the rhetoric is not something that speaks to as you say your love for your jewish brothers and sisters. can you reconcile those two? >> i'll be glad to, victor. first of all, our general assembly distanced itself saying we do not support the statements in zionism unsettled. we as a denomination do not affirm that terminology and that use. >> but you are selling it on the presbyterian usa website. i looked at it this morning. >> it still is available but there are some elements of that over which we don't have control. we -- that is being explored

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