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notjust him, mentioning liz truss and her brief time in office, and rishi sunak saying, we will look to the future. which argument do you thick was more compelling tonight? is a harder argument to have to defend — is a harder argument to have to defend 14— is a harder argument to have to defend 14 years, which had lots of problems. — defend 14 years, which had lots of problems, i thick as you say, if you are problems, ! thick as you say, if you are not— problems, i thick as you say, if you are not washing the debate, you just listen _ are not washing the debate, you just listen to— are not washing the debate, you just listen to the name mentions, you might— listen to the name mentions, you might have — listen to the name mentions, you might have thought liz truss was in it. might have thought liz truss was in it keir— might have thought liz truss was in it. keir starmer mentioned her so many— it. keir starmer mentioned her so many times. when rishi sunak said, in the _ many times. when rishi sunak said, in the past, — many times. when rishi sunak said, in the past, you have had 14 years in the past, you have had 14 years in opposition, labour, and where are your ideas? — in opposition, labour, and where are your ideas? that is something they will your ideas? that is something they wiii keep— your ideas? that is something they will keep pushing on, because when you come _ will keep pushing on, because when you come away from that hour, i didn't— you come away from that hour, i didn't really learn that much more about— didn't really learn that much more about what— didn't really learn that much more about what keir starmer plans to us prime _ about what keir starmer plans to us prime minister, perhaps not such a problem _ prime minister, perhaps not such a problem if— prime minister, perhaps not such a problem if they will not have too many _ problem if they will not have too many more of these debates, but something that could be an issue if the manifesto was seen to be dry or nothing _ the manifesto was seen to be dry or nothing new in it. ok, the manifesto was seen to be dry or nothing new in it.— nothing new in it. ok, katy and r an, nothing new in it. ok, katy and ryan. thank— nothing new in it. ok, katy and ryan. thank you _ nothing new in it. ok, katy and ryan, thank you for _ nothing new in it. ok, katy and ryan, thank you for taking - nothing new in it. ok, katy and ryan, thank you for taking us l ryan, thank you for taking us through what the headlines might be tomorrow. as you can see, the spin room is fairly busy! colleagues over there, sky news, we spoke to both of them earlier on on the news channel
a hunter biden purchasing on gun while under the influence of drugs is at the center of this case. so when you look at this jury, mark, what do you see good jury for the defense. >> one de mostly democratic. we know that african-americans are blacks, are generally democratic on, but they're also delaware into bestor, right? term, which means they from the state that no, the vitamins loved the violence and the bidens have done a lot. four delaware. so in that sense, this is a good place for biden to try a case. and this is a good juror to try them in front of and ryan, that is true. i mean, i lived in delaware for years and it is biden country. >> i mean, there's no one there who doesn't have some sort of a link or a tides an incredibly small state as well. so does that just mean any jury here is by nature going to be in some sense pro biden. >> i think that's right. it has to tilt pro biden in a certain way, especially because he looms large in the state and over there was many years that he served in congress. he's bringing back public goods to
taxes. i knew always going to use in that case is addiction or the throes of addiction as is reasonable excuse but if i remember correctly, the outstanding balance was somewhere north of $1 and that's more taxes and most people pay maybe you a lifetime. so my thought is in and again, the sentencing on those cases is increased by the amount of loss. so i think that's much more significant devours the defense team. it can do away with one over the other, do away with california. try this case because even if he's convicted probably not going to jail. but on the other case you are definitely going to jail. >> and the other one if convicted ryan thanks so yeah. i think he's in a very tough situation that most people think he should have pleaded and it's going to be fascinating to see because obviously the timing of that's going to put it right up against the election. >> the impact on the election itself. and of course also on his father thank you all very much. i appreciate it. and next breaking news, trump's appeal to remove fani willis from the georgia case gets a date and this date is crucial because it
where the count it is for the c, so it's wilmington. if it were just that little group that was pro biden, that's one thing. but the entire state is pro provided so you have to imagine that most of the people on that jury, regardless of race, regardless of background they are probably going to be people who are leaning boards, biden. so i agree with ryan, if in fact there is a conviction, it means they follow the facts of the case, the evidence that was put in, and they follow the law and they all said they could do that. and that's how come they were selected at this, the evidence that we have thus far though, the way it's been presented, and it maybe there's more complexity. i'm missing, but that he bought a gun while under the influence well, he was addicted to drugs and the reason that this is sort of a fact is because he said so in his book, he wrote about it so it sort of seems in that sense that basic part here is already established very much so. >> and the other layer of evidence on top of it is the government has his text messages to his girlfriend at
the time including on the day get that he purchased the gun and then two days later in which he's actually talking to her about using drugs, meeting a drug dealer. and then around the same time this is october 2018, november 2018. he's even saying i'm an addict that's the charge. the charges if you are addicted to drugs are using drugs and you purchased the weapon, you need to say it's showing and you can't get the weapon. but that's not what happened here. so i think that's a mountain of evidence. he's stacked up against it. >> and so marc, that you're also going to hear from his his ex-wife, his brothers ex-wife, who hunter biden also dated after his brother passed away other ex girlfriends what does all of this ad i mean, what ryan's laying out here is pretty simple it really is because if the question is and i think by these own words, they're going to convict him if he gets convicted, and that is where are you addicted when you bought the gun and you should the term addiction, which is what the defense is going to focus on, is okay. >> if you did not believe you're an addict at the time because you just finished an
indicate at the beginning, as you said, that she's ready to work five days a week, nine to five, maybe even longer. and depending on what the jury will do, and i think that's good. i don't think during needs to sit there through a ton of evidence. it's not that complicated the case he filled out the form. they are not going to actually have evidenced from when that form might have been altered, which i think should be in the case because that's the case. did he? >> the form correctly or did one of the employees alter it? we know that the judge said that's not coming in and we know that the judge did a lot of pretrial rulings as to what's going to come in and what's not. so she probably can do it very quickly. >> ryan, there was a lot of family around him, right on his wife right? his sister, ashley was their first lady, jill biden was there. so all these people who are there to support him tearing eye, we're just going through for the show began right when did the de or trump came in the first de terrion? i were both in the courtroom. that was the eighth day of testimony when keith davidson was there and after days before that of germs
to see contradicting evidence, it -- i was taken aback. >> what was it like to hear your star actors screaming in the hallway as the hearing went on? >> you can't help but think is that another act as well? it wasn't going her way, let's try to shift it. >> detective tony young said tucker was not at all happy about her mother's testimony on the stand. >> i learned a lot from listening to those. it was pretty obvious to me tucker was not the week wilting flower in the whole thing in the dynamic between she and kelly she certainly is the stronger personality. >> tucker is? >> tucker is definitely a lot stronger than she was portraying in court. >> ryan and rhonda moore wanted
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