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sure the students are safe, shelter-in-place, do everything they can to keep them safe rather than give the wrong information and maybe risk something going sideways. so, looks like from what i've seen, a fluid scene. i don't think right now that they seem to really have the thing locked down where they want it to be, that's nobody's fault, they may not have the information and feels to me like we are in the early stages of this thing and it could go on o while. >> sandra: paul, thank you for joining us, the school newspaper is saying the suspect is at large and urging students to shelter-in-place, dorm or class, stay where you are. if you are not on campus, don't go that. chris swecker, former fbi assistant director, and former fbi agent. >> it's pretty well laid out by paul. it's a fluid situation, doesn't sound like they have pinpointed this person and don't know who

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times before, initial reports of shoots fired or shootings can often get worse than they seem at the beginning. >> sandra: we have an update as we see the growing police presence as you were speaking, just hit, the chapel hill police social media account alerting of an emergency if you are on campus to shelter-in-place. if you are off campus, stay away from campus. we will provide updates as they become available. continue to follow alert carolina for updates. so, we will obviously do that. urging people to go inside, avoid windows. first alert at 1:00 p.m. and then 50 minutes later officials posted on twitter that the shelter-in-place order remained in effect and that it was an ongoing situation. so this is all we know right now. we obviously have video from the scene and we have this live picture from the scene where there is a huge growing police presence, john. >> john: that is an enormous police presence.

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individual as quickly as possible, if you know, medical care is needed, but the key is that everyone stay calm. the students there, that are watching this, shelter-in-place and stay calm until you are told you can leave the area that you are in, you stay where you are, get away from glass, away from windows, and those that are being cleared out of the school and out of the campus, they will be led to safety. but right now all of the agencies have a certain role and they are going to be sweeping that entire campus. it is a huge sprawling area and one by one, they will go through each building, each crevice of every single room, every single corner, every single closet, everything will be cleared for safety. right now the key for those on campus to stay calm and let law enforcement do their job. it's going to take time. this is a very lengthy process because of the vast size of it, but it is important for everyone to stay calm. having responded to these, the

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good sign that we don't have any reports from the hospitals at this point? >> i absolutely do. i mean, there's a hospital right on the campus there, so if there had been that type of activity at that hospital that would be out there in the social networks and we would know about it by now. i think the other silver lining if there is one, we have not heard about any hostage situations, no barricaded person, no standoff, if you look at the map of the campus here, those labs, or that particular area is literally right in the heart of the campus. it is right next to the bell tower, right beside the library, it's near the football stadium. this is one of those campuses that has a football stadium right on campus. it's pretty heavily wooded so there is plenty -- there are plenty of places to hide yourself on that campus if you were to just decide do lay low

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the cottle labs, there are some reports coming in via witnesses and people on the campus about the number of people injured and perhaps worse, we are not confirming any of those yet because we have not heard from the police directly. but this is an ongoing situation. the unc campus obviously on lockdown. we are also hearing that chapel hill schools, and the local school district has gone into what it calls secure mode. it is essentially a lockdown. all enhances are locked for all schools in that school district. nobody is allowed to enter or exit until the police have declared this situation is over and clear. now, school instruction, we are told, can continue, but nobody allowed in and out, and this, by the way, is the first day of the new semester for all of those students at the chapel hill

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the fact there are ambulances as well would report shots fired are probably correct, telling people as sandra mentioned to shelter-in-place if you are on campus. if you are not on campus and you are hearing about this, stay away from the campus. so, we'll keep following this and see where it goes this afternoon. hopefully it will be better news as the minutes wear on here. >> sandra: ok. we are going to get the latest information on the ground in a moment, but also watching the storm, obviously, and the direction it is taking to florida and ron desantis continues to update, cancelling some of his campaign events to do so. tim scott rolling out his own parental bill of rights, an issue the florida governor has tried to own. so what is different about that proposal, we'll have that for you next. >> john: plus president biden finally back in washington after an august spent mainly on vacation, and there is brand-new polling related to his age. you will not believe what

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embedded in them as well as they look for what may be one more shooter at large. again, all of this information is coming in from various different sources and none of it is confirmed at this point. the only thing we know is the emergency situation ongoing there at the university of north carolina chapel hill. but i would suspect, sandra, looking at the posture of the officers on the ground there, even though they have all of this protection and long guns out, there does not seem to be an immediate sense of urgency in terms of how they are reacting. so we hope that this situation may be under control at this point, though we don't know. >> sandra: definitely don't, and don't know what area of the campus it might be in. obviously a huge presence across the campus. let's hope for the best. bring in joe cardinali, former nypd lieutenant. add this update, a.p. update to what we have learned so far,

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school district, so a heck of a way to return to school for all those kids. and put a button on it, john, unc police have released a picture of what they call the armed and dangerous person situation, an ongoing search for the suspect, john. >> sandra: just getting a little color from some students on campus, one speaking to a local affiliate there, jonathan, talking about how stressful it is to be on the ground and not know what's going on, and to that point, jonathan, as the picture of the suspect is released by the university so people can be vigilant for that person, when you read the thread -- these are live pictures on the screen. there are a lot of resources on the ground to hunt down this suspect. there seems to be some confusion in the thread because originally it was put out that they had a suspect in custody.

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these pictures. let's go to chris swecker, we are in the situation yet again reports of either an armed person on campus or an active shooter situation. nobody has yet said active shooter, although we are hearing from reports on the ground people who are there who are just putting things out there to say this is what he is going on. but in a situation like this, gosh, we have seen this, chris, so many times and as the school year begins there, at unc chapel hill, here we go again. >> yes, and i have personally assessed the security on the campus, and one an armed individual, probably going on here as mentioned. stay away from doors and windows, indicates to me this person is armed and they may not

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and nicole, when you take a look at the police response there at the unc chapel hill and get reports the suspect is still at large, knowing how this campus connects with a small urban area and also an area where there is plenty of space to hide, what kind of response will the police and potentially federal agents who also call that area of raleigh home, what will they -- what will their involvement be here in the minutes, potentially hours going forward? >> right, so this is a very sprawling area and having responded to several active shooters here in south florida, you know, the federal agencies are all going to be responding, the local agencies, the state agencies, and heard many of your guests say, it's very important because they are going to be collaborating, a command post set up and one agency will take charge of the scene but every agency plays a role in this. the key is the safety of the students. who has -- i understand there is someone who has been shot. they are going to get to that

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