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i think the falling asleep is the worst thing so far to happen to donald trump t. goes to a core thing that he constantly talks about. his vigor and his stamina and all of his supporters draw the crazy pictures of musclebound pictures of him doing crazy stuff that they do. that falling asleep goes straight to that. it takes the strength he thought he had into a weakness. on the other side, the joe biden campaign has been smart. they should not say a word about this until the point he is convicted. once he is convicted they should go all in on it and say do you really want to elect a president convicted of a felony in the course of this. i would not say a word until that moment happens. >> final word to you, do you agree with that as well as a political strategist? >> yes. trump being on trial speaks for itself. why try to politicalize it. the biden campaign, the campaign of the white house

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Ayman

not be able to organize against anything. freedom of exprotection would be on the table for him if he enjokes the insurrection act as he wants to. jonathan, i wanted to turn to trump here in a moment. during the hush money trial we saw the former president in a new light. someone who was falling asleep. somebody who did not have the stamina or the strength if you will to realize the moment he was in. could his image take a hit during the next couple of hits on trial in a way that dents him? >> reporter: i think very much could. i was in the courtroom. i saw him falling asleep. this is not reportedly, this actually happened. on more than one occasion, monday and again on thursday and friday. he was nodding off. it makes it hard for him to call joe biden sleepy joe. that nickname is out the window. and think about the contrast. joe biden has what they call

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Ayman

agree with jonathan on this. i think the falling asleep is the worst thing so far this year to happen to donald trump. because it is a core thing that he constantly talks about his vigor and stamina and all the supporters draw these crazy pictures of him, whatever he's doing, crazy stuff that they do. and that falling asleep goes straight to that. that takes a strength he thought he had into a weakness. on the other part of this, the biden campaign has been very smart. they shouldn't say a word about this until the point he's convicted. once he's convicted, then they should just go all in on it and basically say do you really want to elect a president that has been convicted of a felony in the course of this? i would not say a word until that moment happens. >> adrienne, final word to you. do you agree with that as well as a strategist? >> yeah, look, donald trump being on trial speaks for itself. why get into the politics of this? why try to politicize it? the biden campaign, both the white house and the campaign

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Ayman

against anything if trump becomes president in this country. again, freedom of expression would certainly be on the table for him if he invokes the insurrection act as he wants to. jonathan, i wanted to turn to trump here in a moment during the hush money trial as we did see the former president in a new light. this is someone who was reportedly falling asleep. somebody who did not have the stamina or the strength if you will to realize the moment he was in. could his image actually take a hit during the next couple of weeks on trial in a way that actually dents him? >> reporter: i think it very much could. i was in the courtroom, and i saw him falling asleep. this is in the reportedly it, but this happened. on more than one occasion, by the way, on monday and then again on thursday and friday. he was nodding off. that's not a good look. it will make it hard for him to call joe biden sleepy joe. that nickname is out the window. think about the contrast. joe biden has with what they

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Ayman

there is the legal part. this is a textbook case of falsifying business records. there was no legal fees. they can fake retainer agreement and fake invoices. donald trump pays the checks to michael cohen so they do not find out donald trump had an affair, allegedly. we learn about that right before the election when the accessed hollywood tape had blown out. there is something i think is worse for trump that is a falling asleep in the courtroom. you don't have to understand law or any kind of nuance. the guy is 77 and he is falling asleep three times in one week. what happens? jon stewart has made fun of it. jimmy kimmel has made fun of it. stephen colbert is making fun of it. he has been the punchline of that the average person might not get the legal issues. they might not get the politics but they know a 77-year-old man does not have the stamina to stay awake when he is charged with 34 felonies. how can he be president? that is the most damaging thing. it is this issue.

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Ayman

we go through this clearly a textbook case of falsifying business records. there was no legal fees. they can fake the retainer agreement effective in faking this. former president donald trump will pay a check to michael cohen. so in 2016, they did not allegedly have an affair with stormy daniels. we learn about that before the election. when the access hollywood tape. there was something else. that is also risky. that is the falling asleep in the courtroom. you don't have to understand the law. or any type of nuance. the guy is 77 is falling asleep. three times in one week. what has happened? jon stewart has made fun of it. jimmy kimmel, stephen colbert and he has been a punchline. that translates to politics. the average person might not get it. but they know a 77-year-old man does not have to stamina to stay awake. and with 34 felonies. beep president? to me, that is the most damaging. it is this issue. everybody can get it. he cannot stay awake. he was not the same person that he is four years ago. >> renati marriot, this is unique. stressful for the jurors who have been tasked with it.

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Inside Politics With Manu Raju

that it's sort of like the campaign in the court are sharing custody of donald trump. >> he's there on mondays and tuesdays. he's off on wednesdays he's awesome weekends and he's planning these rallies. i've met me see is planning something in the tri-state area? it seems like they're trying to maybe contained in a little bit. he's doing one in wild, but new jersey, you can go to the boardwalk after perhaps feel like it. >> and i don't know how he's going to have the stamina. >> and when your argument against the incumbent president is he doesn't have stamina and you are being witnessed hobbling out of court most days of the week. i think it makes it much more difficult to make that type of political argument against president biden. yeah, you're coming up. we have more to talk about what do play past trump voters really think about his legal troubles let's swayed their votes will heal for them and new reporting ahead on speaker johnson's maneuvering to steal a massive foreign aid package to the house the de you get your clear choice, dental

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Inside Politics With Manu Raju

really have an impact on the rallies, but this is where we're consuming his time and the money just knew numbers that just came out from one of his packs about the legal fees that were spent 3.7 million as total spent as of the end of march on legal fees. that's from his one of his packs. i mean, clearly this is having an impact on the campaign. >> it is. i mean, i've joked that it's sort of like the campaign and the court are sharing custody of donald trump. >> he's there on mondays and tuesdays. he's often wednesday's he's often weekends and he's planning these rallies. i've noticed he is planning something that tri-state area. it seems like they're trying to kind of maybe contained in a little bit. he's doing one in wild, but new jersey, you can go to the boardwalk after perhaps feel like it. >> and i don't know how he's going to have the stamina and when your argument against the incumbent president is he doesn't have the standard i'm going to and you are being witnessed hobbling out of court. >> most days of the week. i think it makes it much more difficult to make that type of political argument against president biden. yeah, you're

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All In With Chris Hayes

jury case. >> what do you think it will mean for trump world to have him there for the next four weeks? >> he is running for president and we talked about this the other night but the campaign in the short and -- court are sharing custody of him. his weekends are free, maybe on wednesdays and he has been planning rallies. i noticed he has one in wildwood, new jersey on may 11th so they are preparing for the strange logistics of this but i have to imagine is also going to be very tired on days when he does not have court, and how much stamina does he really have? i don't know. >> again just to reset the fact here, the man is 77 years old. he will turn 78. there's been so much talk about joe biden's age but he is a 77- year-old man facing criminal

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