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they told me that what sanders is saying is, quote, incredibly misleading. the white house security office, as it was explained to me, is literally a part of the white house. it's across the street, it's in the eisenhower executive office building, i think on the ground floor. the source says the security office doesn't make decisions. their reason for being is to coordinate the security clearance process for white house staff on behalf of the president. so as it's described to me, either there was a major management breakdown and the people designated to do this didn't tell anybody when they heard from the fbi, or they did tell people inside the west wing as they are to do, and the folks inside the west wing did nothing about that information, stephanie. >> peter, this story doesn't seem to want to go away. and it's not the press keeping out there. it's the white house. i want to bring in my panel, phil rucker is white house bureau chief for "the washington post." and brett stephens, an op-ed columnist for "the new york times."
on the book were soldiers which are the true story behind the special forces deployed to afghanistan in the days following 9/11. the author of that book and executive producer of the film, doug stanton, joins us now to tell us more. thanks for being here. this story doesn't tell itself, but the story itself is so interesting that it lends itself to the new york times best-selling book in hollywood box office. how did you land on the idea of these 12 men? >> shortly after 9/11 they came out of afghanistan in a notice some fuzzy bearded guys in the background of the video when i started making phone calls and ended up traveling around the u.s. to military bases in going to afghanistan. i set out to write the definitive story of essential the 21st century's pearl harbor. train to what is it about the story that grips people so much? >> america had a very clear mention of payback after 9/11. a story that not so many people
being funded by the other presidential candidate. even inadvertently. >> is complicated. we should say papadopoulos did not make an appearance in the dossier. he was not there. carter page, another sometime temporary trump aid was in there. the scenario in the ignatius column is that steele writes for first installment of the dossier on june 20, 2016. allegedly meets with the fbi in london on july 4. the fbi according to this telling of the story doesn't pay all that much attention to it until they find out about papadopoulos. they put two and two together and it becomes a big deal for them. the thing you brought up, if christopher steele didn't know anything about george papadopoulos and the fbi tells him, was the fbi even telling the intelligence committees on capitol hill about this stuff? probably not. that's a real question to raise about the investigation.
being funded by the other presidential candidate. even inadvertently. >> is complicated. we should say papadopoulos did not make an appearance in the dossier. he was not there. carter page, another sometime temporary trump aid was in there. the scenario in the ignatius column is that steele writes for first installment of the dossier on june 20, 2016. allegedly meets with the fbi in london on july 4. the fbi according to this telling of the story doesn't pay all that much attention to it until they find out about papadopoulos. they put two and two together and it becomes a big deal for them. the thing you brought up, if christopher steele didn't know anything about george papadopoulos and the fbi tells him, was the fbi even telling the intelligence committees on capitol hill about this stuff? probably not. that's a real question to raise about the investigation.
handling oswald in dallas? had that agent known about that meeting, known about mexico city he would have clearly been more alert when kennedy shows up. but the story doesn't end with the russians. the russians i agree with, ferris thought he was nuts. but what they did is essentially hand him over to the cubans. he starts raving about not getting a visa and yells out according to fbi, a very good source, i'm going to kill jfk. you would think that would be the end of the but there's -- >> red flag, right? ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. >> red flag. but later oswald goes to a party where there's a cuban intelligence officer. now did they meet later on? but it was very suspicious and the state department came up with the reporting wondering about the cubans. and now we have this intercept of two cuban intelligence officers saying oswald was a
would pop up that the campaign was in disarray or crazy happening. i think there are a couple of things in the story that really jumped on the at me as red flags that really seemed disconnected from reality. number one, said that people around the president are trying to control them, which first of all if you're working for president trump and you're surrounding him, that's not the type of language that you use, nor is it -- >> but that is what senator bob corker also said based on what he said is his own knowledge. >> well, and again, i think the point that i was building up to here was this is the kind of thing that somebody who is not a part of the team, a part of the inner circle says to try to throw shade on the president and even the point that you brought up about steve bannon this wasn't a quote from steve bannon. steve bannon is out there trying to recruit candidates who will support the president's agenda. so which one is it had? is he recruiting candidates to support the president or is he saying that he doesn't think he's going to do well? it seems like the story doesn't really match up with the actions that we're seeing in real time.
individual wanting the fame and fortune of being the most prolific serial killer or mass killer in american history that must have been his goal, it may be he did align himself with isis at the last minute just for that little extra bit of infamy. who knows. >> tucker: hard to believe that someone would go through this level of preparation for that. he would think that there would have to be some ideological or religious commitment, not that there's an obvious one. >> there doesn't appear to be one in this case. ideological, religious or political. doesn't appear that he had any of those motivations, which are common for individuals doing things like this. >> tucker: so what about his girlfriend? not that we know but if you are one of the investigators on this case how closely would you be looking at her? >> no human being exists in a vacuum, this individual did not. if he is living with a woman she's not traveling, she was overseas, quite convenient for the fact that he's doing this heinous act entries overseas, maybe the two facts are unrelated but the fact is she knows a lot about this person. she knows a lot about his
but i assure you, yes, the best experts from federal state and local law enforcement are looking at this right now to find out what the heck is going on. >> tucker: something is going on in american society, it has nothing to do with guns, it has to or something and i think it's worth figuring out. thank you for that, i appreciate it. the fbi still trying to determine the motive behind all of this. what exactly are investigators looking for and what do they know already? for that we are joined by retired fbi special agent tim clementi. tim, is this is confusing to you as it is to everyone else watching? >> absolutely. i think it's just as confusing for all fbi agents, anybody possibly involved in the investigation. ordinarily by this point in the investigation hours or minutes in there is some kind of a motive that is evidence. if the person is yelling saying this is for isis and we know it's probably for isis. >> tucker: the authorities say we don't really know what everyone does. is this one of those cases where everyone really doesn't know?
>> i think this is one of those cases but i don't think we can totally discount what isis has said. i am a terrorism expert, i've worked islamic terrorism for many years around the world. i was in the middle east last week. i can tell you that isis doesn't ordinarily make false claims when it comes to responsibility. they may have done some where they brag a little bit or take him a little more credit than they should have but generally the way isis works is a much more loosely organized infrastructure. it's not like joining the marine corps, my son is down at marine corps boot camp, he joined the marine corps, he goes through a set number of days at parris island, goes through the whole process. you don't do that to join isis. you make a pledge of fealty to abu bakr al-baghdadi. you say one of the five pillars of faith of islam. that's it. you are now a number of isis. you can do it privately, by email, you can do it over a phone call or you can do it over months and years of communication with isis. it is possible, though it is remote, it is possible that this
bets. was asked if that might be part of the motivation and he did not comment on that. we should also say that the girlfriend in this whole case, marilou danley, she seemed to be dismissed earlier in the day when the sheriff saying she was not part of this crime at all. and tonight's press conference we learned that she is in tokyo and the sheriff's department would desperately like to talk to her to find out exactly what she knew about all of these guns and any planning that might have gone into this horrific attack, the worst mass shooting in history at the mandalay bay behind me and the concert grounds about 400 yards across the street from the hotel. >> tucker: really quickly, a lot about the story doesn't make any sense at all, at least from our perspective, are the authorities were talking to, they seem as baffled as the rest of us? >> they are baffled at why this happened. they know that there was apparently no tie to terrorism