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indiana at least is going to be in place for some time to come. >> joe, what if they do a carve-out and say you cannot discriminate against same-sex couples or homosexual people? >> well you know i think it remains to be seen. you know how the law is applied. and what the substance of the law ends up being then. if you go back to the fact that really the laws are moving in these states in a response to the success we've had on marriage equality. and as an effort to sort of mollify or appease folks out there who are opposed to it. as a way to say, here's a way to sort of help you opt out. if what that does you know as you're suggest something sort of empty out the law, you know i guess i'm not quite sure then what the law does. >> tim, let me talk to you about what governor asa hutchinson said yesterday in his announcement. he said he had a change of heart because he was lobbied by a very powerful lobbyist. namely his 31-year-old son, seth. here's what the governor said.
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tim, you were part of the editorial team that published this front-page ad. let pea put it up. it says "fix this now." you must feel a tremendous sense of satisfaction today. >> we're hopeful, we're hopeful that the general assembly will move swiftly to enact legislation that will help fix this now. the state has been in turmoil for the past week or so. we think we're on the verge of finding a way out. the both sides have given quite a bit here. and we'll see what happens later today. >> joe, let's talk about those fixes. what are they going to do in indiana and arkansas to fix these laws? >> well as you reported in the previous segment, you know they're making all sorts of concessions. but as you said i don't think anything they do is going to make either side particularly happy. you know the substance and the spirit of the law remain and i think the reputational damage to
>> it has divided families. and there's clearly a generational gap on this issue. my son, seth signed the petition asking me dad, the governor, to veto this bill. and he gave me permission to make that reference. >> and i mean tim, that's the crux of the matter isn't it? there's this generational divide. we have a new poll that illustrates just how differently the generations see this. let me just show you, 18-29-year-olds see this issue in the complete reverse order than people 65 years old and older. do when asked should businesses being required to serve same-sex weddings 18-29-year-olds say sure. whereas if you're over 65 60% say no. therein lies the whole heart of the matter tim. >> unfortunately there's a generational gap. it's playing out here in the
state. it's playing out here in political circles in the state. we have younger republicans who have been involved in the process of trying to find a fix. they're very passionate, very upset. but what they see happening in their own party. >> joe, it sounds to me from reading your notes, that you think that the reference to his son, seth was a nice touch. but really what swayed governor hutchinson was the businesses businesses like walmart saying they can't support this. >> i think it was both. i think certainly governor hutchinson learned a lesson from watching governor pence. and i think attempted to sort of you know inject some common humanity and some acknowledgement that he sort of stands in opposition to young people. and those numbers by the way are true for as tim referenced democrats, republicans, even you know christian evangelicals under the age of 30. it's true one of the great successes of the lgbt movement