militants began their siege in iraq. right now isis terrorists are in this fierce fight to seize a government complex in ramadi. and iraqi security forces are obviously desperately trying to stop them. just a reminder this is the capital of anbar province just 70 miles from baghdad. overnight, violent clashes ramped up between terrorists and iraqi forces who are begging for more help there on the ground. we are seeing a new crisis emerging as thousands of civilians are running, fleeing their homes, grabbing the children trying to escape the violence. joining me now, someone who s talked to these people who have left arwa damon, a cnn senior international correspondent. i want you to talk to us about ramadi ramadi. an official telling cnn, we have seen nothing to indicate ramadi will fall at this time. you re there. what do you see? and that is coming from a u.s. official based in d.c. and it is in stark contrast to what we re hearing from people that are actually on the ground in ramadi. we ve been talking to local officials, local commanders. throughout the night into today, isis was steadily advancing towards the city center launching an attack on the government complex that iraqi security forces were able to repel for the time being. then finally in the afternoon, those much-needed air strikes began targeting isis positions inside ramadi as well as on the outskirts of the city. but they need so many more troops to actually begin to push isis back. they are quite simply outmanned and outgunned. and this isis push into ramadi has sent upwards of 150,000 people fleeing. but it s not just ramadi that s really seeing and feeling the impact of the violence brought on by isis. there s another small town on the way from baghdad to ramadi. it is also regularly, daily coming under fire by isis. and we were there to speak to some of the wounded individuals in the hospital. i was out in the garden and a rocket hit and the shrapnel sliced me she says tears falling from her eyes. i felt something fall out of me and i put it back in. a few moments later while we re in the another building isis attacks. just a massive explosion. we re not sure. it may have been a rocket or mortar of sorts. they think there s more? there s more. the impact shattered the glass. more explosions in the distance and then another that shakes the building. they re clearing away for us to get to the cars. we are lucky. we are able to leave. and we don t have to make the impossible choice of living under bombardment and isis terror. and brooke it s not just about ultimately defeating isis. it s also about sparing families like the ones we met, like so many others in both iraq and syria, from going through that unbearable pain and suffering. it is so important that you re part of this conversation because you re there, you re seeing it you re talking to these people who are being forced to flee. arwa damon and crew thank you. what i m referencing is defense secretary ash carter. he ll be speaking from the pentagon in less than a half hour from now. we ll take it live. had is huge. it s his first news conference since taking the job. now, to a possible cover-up in the case of the police killing in tulsa county oklahoma. you heard about this? many people have questioned why a 73-year-old volunteer deputy was on the scene of this illegal weapons sting when he mistook his gun for his taser, killing eric harris. robert bates, who is now charged with second-degree manslaughter says he had the necessary training. now a report is raising some serious questions, saying not just that bates records were doctored but that those who refused to go along with the doctoring were reassigned. when the sheriffs office held a news conference on the killing, tulsa world s enterprise editor asked officials about bates training. take a look. failure to sign off on his training failure to approve his training. not to my knowledge, no. so there s never been any concerns raised about his training? not that i m aware of no. he has been trained. he has 300 hours, or almost 300 hours of accredited training. state statute requires 25 hours of continuing education per year, so he s well in excess of what you would anticipate someone would have that was meeting minimum requirements. but no one has ever expressed concerns about his ability or training at the sheriffs office? never to me. okay. so that s one side of the story. let s go straight to tulsa world staff reporter dylan goforth. you re the one breaking this with sources telling you supervisors at the sheriffs office were told to falsify, to doctor bates record. how so were they told to doctor them? the way it works is to reach the level of reserve deputy that he was you have to have something like 480 hours of field training with another officer. what we were told from pretty much day one was that he had not gotten this training. i mean that takes a long time to accumulate that many hours. he had not gotten that training and the people who are over that reserve deputy program were told either, you know you need to sign these documents saying he received this training and when they didn t do it they were given lesser jobs or reassigned to other areas. so the records were doctored is what you re telling me, based upon what firearms training firearms certification, even though he didn t have the sufficient training. and those who said no went away. that s what we ve been told. the shooting was april 2nd. we started hearing it on april 3rd. okay. the attorney for robert bates was on cnn. let me point this out. he was claiming your sources have the same lawyer as eric harris family. this is the victim s family. and your sources are terminated employees from the sheriffs office. take a listen to that. so their sources are their clients. one was terminated for stealing records from the sheriffs office years ago. one was terminated for improper conduct. he s since then committed a murder and is being held on murder charges. those are the sources. i m not going to ask you to give up your sources, but i have to press you and have you respond to that. well i mean obviously i m not going to say who our sources are, but i can say that we ve talked to them before this happened. we ve talked to them before. they ve always been right, and we trust them. let me ask you a step further, because from what i read in your paper, is that the sheriffs deputy who would have signed off on all of this at the time with robert bates, he s gone. he s now with the secret service. before i tell you what the sheriffs office told us did any of this doctoring happen after the shooting? no this would have all been he said he became a reserve deputy in 2007. the sheriffs office said 2008. it would have been during that process of receiving those training hours. just so i get this on the record here, the sheriffs office told cnn that the tulsa world reporter cannot validate his or her sources and claims anonymity, which leaves us skeptical the claims are unsubstantiated and deceptive. let me move on. the office also announced this morning it will conduct this internal review in the wake of what you re breaking here of this deputy reserve program, which is exactly what your paper we had chatted about this earlier this week is what your paper had called for them to do. can you just remind all of us of robert bates history with law enforcement and some of the money he d been given to that sheriff. yeah he you know when the sheriffs office held that first press conference they said he was a former police officer, when is true. we later found out he served one year from january 1964 to january 1965. following that he became and we still don t know why that was just one year. right. we don t know. the sheriffs office attorney maybe tolded under sheriff that bates told him he wasn t making money as a police officer. he probably chose correctly and became a wealthy insurance executive. he did that for a long time. then in 2007 or 2008 became a reserve deputy. okay. dylan, thank you. keep asking those questions. next, one congressman says it is quote/unquote open season on black men in america. hear his reasons and the backlash against him. we ll speak with him live. plus our chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta has everyone talking today because he says legalize medical weed now, and he s not stopping there. sanjay will join me live. and investigators figure out how a mailman landed this gyrocopter yards from the united states capitol. we ll take you live to an airfield as the pilot will show us the capabilities of this aircraft. don t miss it. you re watching cnn. 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from more than 200 seizures a day before her mother moved her to colorado for treatment. cnn s chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta is among the experts who say it is time for all states to legalize medical marijuana. he s exploring the subject in this incredible piece sunday night at 9:00 eastern. we re calling it weed 3: the marijuana revolution. here s a preview. this bill that we re introducing seeks to right decades of wrong and end unnecessary marijuana laws. march, 2015. democrats cory booker and kirsten gillibrand along with republican rand paul have just proposed the most audacious marijuana legislation in our lifetime. if it passes it would create a fundamental change in the way the united states views and treats marijuana. our drug laws in this country as a whole need a revolution of common sense and compassion. for starters it would do something scientists have been begging for, reschedule cannabis from schedule one to a much less restrictive schedule two controlled substance. once you make the class of drugs schedule two, you can research it and find out what are the medical impacts and when can you use it? that s what s necessary here. the bill would also mandate more farms to grow and research and allow greater access including to veterans who would for the fist time be able to get a prescription for medicinal marijuana from the va hospitals. let s stop the pot hypocrisy. we ve had three presidents who have admitted to smoking marijuana. people in public office all throughout the senate have said hey, i ve smoked marijuana recreationally. how much of a hypocrite do you have to be to say i broke american laws using pot as a recreational thing and that i m not going to support this idea that as a medicine for severely sick people that they shouldn t be able to access this drug. wow, dr. sanjay gupta. i d heard about those interviews there on capitol hill with senators booker and gillibrand. you have that as part of this. then you have you causing a bit of a stir here with your cnn opinion piece saying yes, indeed, we should be legalizing medical marijuana. how did you get there? well i think it s a medicine brooke. i think it s something that can help people. i think it s a medicine that not only works, but it often works when nothing else has. i think there are people who have suffered needlessly because of the concerns about abuse, but in the crosshair, people have just been denied a very viable option for them to alleviate their pain and suffering. it s easy to do nothing, as i wrote in that op-ed. it s easy to play it safe on this issue. once you two outgo out and look at the data much of it from countries outside the united states and you meet the patients it changed my mind. i think it s something that needs to be available to everybody. i know there has been such a dearth of data until recently. we talked about the lack of research. i have to ask you about skeptics. you have chris christie of new jersey making headlines because he s saying if he were ever ever elected president, you know no way, jose basically on this. i m wondering, since he s so well known for his town halls, if you were in a town hall, sanjay, with governor christie and could ask him one question on this what would you ask? i would say if there was a medication that was available for someone who was suffering and we knew it would work for them would you not make it available, or would you keep it illegal? that s what i would ask. i should say, by the way, when it comes to governor chris christie who was part of our most recent documentary before this one, he used to say the same thing about new jersey. he said no way, jose about new jersey. we re not going to allow new jersey to become colorado or california. he changed course on that a little bit. he allowed certain strains of marijuana to now be obtained in new jersey. so look i think the data is very compelling. i think when people start to look at it, you know and i fully admit, as you and i have talked about, that i didn t look closely enough the first time i looked at some of this data. when you look closer dig deeper travel around the world like i did, you see an important picture, an important picture emerges that could mean a law for people out there who don t have good treatments right now. i cannot wait to watch this. i ve heard so much about it around the building. sanjay thank you so much. just a heads up it s weed 3: the marijuana revolution airing sunday night at 9:00 eastern and pacific here on cnn. just a few moments from now, a huge moment at the pentagon. live pictures as we re watching and waiting to hear from secretary of defense ash carter. he ll be holding his first news conference since taking over the post from chuck hagel. obviously a number of tough questions will be expected on a number of issues ranging from isis to iran. perhaps russia, north korea et cetera. we ll bring that to you live. he ll be sitting with martin dempsey. 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well as action from lawmakers. and there s a congressman from georgia who s really helped lead that chorus. take a listen. it feels like open season on black men in america, and i m outraged. in fact all americans are at risk when bad actors in law enforcement use their guns instead of their heads. despite bipartisan nationwide calls for action and despite my bills to reform the broken grand jury process, hold police accountable, and end militarization and despite my colleague s bills to encourage body cameras, this congress does nothing. there he was on the floor. here he is live. i have congressman hank johnson joining me from washington. congressman, welcome. nice to have you on. nice to be here brooke. i think first of all, something that a lot of people don t know is there s actually no federal database that tracks how many people are killed by police. so the closest thing we have is this nonprofit that s been collecting data through police reports and citizen tips fatalencounters.org. if i may, let me run through some numbers. in 2014 more than 1100 people were killed by police 414 were white, 233 were african-american and just to be totally clear, this database actually doesn t account for guilt or innocence or armed or unarmed. we heard you on the floor saying this is quote, open season on black men, a hunting term. congressman, is it not dangerous to use that kind of language? well i said that it felt like it was open season and it really does. i think if you are a black male and you ve grown up in the inner cities as i have and you have matriculated to this point in life i think most black males feel the same way. i just simply expressed a sentiment that is very common. but i would take issue with those statistics that you mentioned. every time i see statistics from one source or the other, it s always a different number in terms of how many police killings have occurred in a given year. it s true. that s because there are no actual hard numbers. i ve even tried looking at the cdc numbers. those are tough as well. i agree with you there. that needs to change. but back to your point on how this is open season here s the thing. what s implied in that what you re not saying but implying is that broad strokes on all police are the hunters out to kill. is that really fair? well yeah i think it s a fair depiction of what s happening in society today. we find an overabundance and we have video evidence of black males who are being shot and killed by police officers. now, that doesn t include the numbers who are being wounded, nor does it include the people who tasers are being used upon which may or may not be necessary in a given situation. so what we have is we re seeing black males. we don t see any other demographic being inordinately singled out for this kind of misconduct. i was talking to a man just the other night on our 10:00 show who is not african-american who s the man who was beaten and tased in the desert after eluding police and running and jumping on a horse. so he was not african-american and we have absolutely run that video here at cnn. here s my next question though. and i m with you. i aagree that for example, the case involving walter scott was absolutely outrageous. we ve covered enough of these to see, congressman, that a number of these suspects are resisting arrest or are fleeing police. well nobody deserves to die for committing or attempting to commit a misdemeanor or some offense that does not place in jeopardy the life of a police officer. and we ve just simply had too many episodes where people are quick to pull the trigger and ask questions later. that s the problem that we have in this country, and it always seems to be the black male who is according to statistics four times more likely to die in police custody than any other demographic. why do you think, though i mean you re from the south. you have probably lived discrimination at some point in time. i m just wondering if is the reason why you say this open season, we re seeing more of this is simply because people are more armed with cameras and dash cams and body cams. well, you know i said it feels like it s open season and said that because i know this kind of misconduct has been occurring as long as anyone can remember. the problem is or the issue is we re now seeing it live or seeing it on video now. it is causeing more people to come forward with their experiences, and it is causing more news outlets to cover critically these claims that police always make which is that the suspect tried to reach for my weapon i was placed in fear of imminent bodily harm so i fired in self-defense or in defense of others. then you turn and look at it i hear you, congressman. i don t entirely disagree but it s tough. i know a lot of wonderful members of law enforcement. to paint this in broad strokes, that police then would be doing the hunting just isn t fair. and i don t want to impugn the professionalism of every police officer out there, but i will say that there s a culture in law enforcement that you can see a police officer engage in some misconduct and then you don t tell anybody about it. and you cover it up. so those are the kinds of things we need to root out of the system. all police officers are not bad. i have a lot of friends who are in law enforcement, and it hurts me to have to say that yes, law enforcement is a problem, and there s a problem that law enforcement as a whole has caused and law enforcement needs to be a part of the process of cleaning it up. okay. so if the shoe fits you got to wear it. congressman hank johnson, democratic congressman from georgia, thank you very much. thank you. got to move on because big news happening here just down the street in the pentagon. i ve got our chief national security correspondent standing by. we re watching and waiting for the defense secretary, for ash carter s very first news conference. jim, let me talk to you, as you can help tee up this whole thing. this is huge. he ll be sitting with joint chief martin dempsey, talking presumably isis iran yemen, russia. what are you expecting? the list starts there, brooke. this is a busy time. it s a busy day for the pentagon. today you have an airfield in southeastern yemen falling to aqap yemen a continuing problem. you have the city of ramadi in western iraq the largest city in anbar province n danger of falling. and a day when you look at ukraine, the russian president denying there are russian troops on the ground in eastern ukraine more than a year after russia took the territory of crimea which we barely hear about anymore as russian troops continue to advance on eastern ukraine. these are the daily elements on the agenda of the u.s. defense secretary. that s just a sample of questions he ll be facing today. but those are the crises the department faces today. i know as we watch and wait stay with me jim. i know just yesterday, secretary carter met with the iraqi defense minister at the pentagon. can you tell me what they discussed? well first of all, the iraqi prime minister wants more help. you re seeing that on the ground even in ramadi right now. we re hearing from officials inside the city who have been calling for more air strikes, more reinforcements from the iraqi army who s been unable to give the help the units inside the city need. this is a consistent problem. a big question for the defense secretary is what does this tell us about the capabilities of iraqi security forces nearly a year after isis swept into the country to take back territory from isis. to this point, the achievement has been in general holding back more territory from being gained by isis although we may see that change in ramadi. they had the victory in tikrit just a couple weeks ago. but what does it say about their capability that they can still be losing ground in places. this is a major issue. iraqis asking for more help. of course from the u.s. side the u.s. asking really demanding, that iraq make this a more integrated force, particularly in anbar. this is the sunni-dominated part of the country. they bristle when you have shiite-led militias doing the bulk of the heavy lifting. that drives those sunni tribes on to the side of isis. these are the continuing challenges there. so you have asks in both directions. that s another issue the secretary is going to have to face tough questions on today. you mentioned ramadi. we re going to be talking to arwa damon, as well who s going to be listening to secretary carter. she was seeing people fleeing ramadi all these kids and their parents terrified, obviously, of these terrorists taking over their town. jim, stay with me. we re going to try to sneak a quick break in as we re waiting for the first news conference from the defense secretary ash carter. back in 90 seconds. live a full life. the lexus ct hybrid with an epa estimated 42 mpg. the further you go the more interesting it gets. this is the pursuit of perfection. all right. live pictures from the pentagon. still see some empty seats. we ll watch and wait for the first news conference from secretary of defense ash carter momentarily. first, the fight against isis goes from the sunny beaches of australia to the battlefields of syria. we have just learned a talented australian model and deejay has been killed while fighting you should the black flag of isis. cnn s amy laport has more on the story of this young man who s become the latest example of the militant group s expanding lure of young people around the globe. his future looked bright but somewhere along the way, this 25-year-old showchose a life on the battlefield over a life on the cat walk. the former deejay and model from melbourne is the latest australian believed to have been killed fighting alongside isis militants. his parents learning of their son s death via a text message and a phone call. they told australian media that he left his home last year telling his parents he was going camping, when in fact he travelled to fallujah iraq where he s believed to have served with isis as a medic, a cook and sometimes a machine gunner a far cry from the life he lived in australia as a popular deejay/model. he was part of a plan. it was all obviously thrown off track when he joined isis and we had to part ways. it was quite a tearful and heart-wrenching moment for everyone involved. the australian government said it can t confirm his death, but the prime minister used it as a warning for would-be jihadists. i have a very simple message to anyone who might be thinking of going overseas to join these terrorist groups. don t, don t. they are death cults. and it s just as likely to be your death. since the bloody rise of isis jamar joined some 20 other australians who have been killed in the conflict. but the face of some 90 more australians still out there on the battlefield remains unclear. amy laport cnn, atlanta. all right amy. thank you. again, waiting from this first news conference from secretary of defense ash carter. meantime as investigators figure out how this mailman landed this gyrocopter yards from the capitol yesterday, we ll take you live to an airfield and the pilot will show us the capabilities of this manned aircraft. plus the man who landed this at the capitol is now in court. here we go to the pentagon. my first priority is to help the president make the best possible national security decisions and then to implement those decisions. my second priority is to ensure the strength and health of our wonderful personnel around the world. and my third is about the future of our force, our people and our technology and as i say, to think outside our five-sided box here. to achieve those priorities i ve traveled to afghanistan and kuwait to meet with american personnel working on two important missions there, worked with congress to secure the resources we need to protect the country and continue to build the force of the future and get stability in the defense budget. i ve spoken with our partners in the state department and other agencies about working together in new ways and on new endeavors. and visited with allies and partners both here in washington and just last week in the asia pacific. i met with our men and women in uniform around the country and abroad to say thank you and to make sure that all of our people past present, and future are treated with dignity and respect. the work continued this week. for example, we had productive discussions with the iraqi prime minister and the iraqi defense minister about our partnership and the real progress we re making in the campaign against isil. i was up front in our meetings about how a lasting victory over isil requires inclusive governance in baghdad and respect for local populations in all areas liberated from isil control. and it ll continue next week. on wednesday i m going to speak with mid shipment in washington about sexual assault prevention and response. then i m going to meet with battalion and brigade level first responders to get their perspective on preventing sexual assault and on combatting retaliation. next week i ll travel to california to silicon valley deliver a lecture at stanford university on the future of technology innovation and cyber security. and then i ll meet with some technology executives out there to discuss how we can work together better. much more to say, but i m hope to questions on any topics whatsoever that you may have. before i do that let me just tell you how much i appreciate what you do every day, the role you play in our society and the role you play in this building. i ve worked in the pentagon for many years, and we all really count on you to explain to our citizens and the world what we re doing to defend our country. on occasion, i understand hold us to account. but i know that it s all with the best of intentions. i thank you. with that let me turn things over to marty, and we ll answer your questions. thank you, mr. secretary. i ll add a point of two of emphasis coming out of our meeting yesterday with prime minister abadi. the government of iraq has made gains and trends are moving in the right direction. there remains a lot of hard work in integrating their militias under state command and control as iraq continues to prepare its forces to sustain momentum against isil. the efforts of prime minister abadi during the tikrit offensive are a good step. we ll continue to consult with iraq s leadership as they plan and conduct their operations. i m encouraged by the commitment of the coalition. you may know that there s been an addition of 300 australian troops and 100 new zealand troops to the training mission, and that will certainly contribute to the outcomes we all seek. they join a notable list of international partners who are building partnership capacity mission, including the united kingdom, spain, germany, italy, and of course the united states. around the globe, i can tell you our men and women in uniform are focused and doing what the nation needs them to do. the security environment remains as dynamic as it s ever been. we remain focused on ensuring our troops have the leadership the training and the resources to accomplish the tasks we ask of them. with that, i too, am happy to answer your questions. i ll call on reporters. we ll start with bob. thank you. mr. secretary, question for each of you. on yemen, al qaeda forces have captured a major airport, a sea port and an oil terminal today. i m wondering if you think the focus on the houthi rebels has had the unintended consequence of presenting new opportunities for al qaeda in yemen. does that give you any pause about the wisdom of the saudi air campaign and the u.s. support for that? well, i ve also a question for general dempsey as well. you were talking about iraq. today there s been reports that the isil forces have made important advances on ramadi having already captured apparently some smaller places around ramadi. i m wondering whether you feel that ramadi is in danger of falling, and what does it say about the way ahead, the difficulty of the way ahead for the iraqi forces? thanks bob. so yemen first. i ve seen reports to that effect also. what that suggests is that yes, aqap provides opportunity in the environment created by the turmoil in yemen. aqap just to remind you, is a branch of al qaeda that s shown a particular determination to attack us on our homeland and is therefore of serious concern to us. we continue to watch them and take action. it s obvious it s easier to do our counterterrorism operations against aqap when there s a settled government in yemen. there s not that now. we for that reason and other reasons, hope there will be and are trying to work with others in that direction, but in the meantime we need to and do through other means protect ourselves against aqap because they are dangerous and there are other things we can do to act against them and we are. on iraq let me make a distinction between the military offensive that s going up north of baghdad, up into tikrit. so the offensive north of baghdad has been deliberate, measured steady progress. anbar has always been kind of pockets of isf, iraqi security force, and pockets of isil. so it s been a much more dynamic back and forth. this latest attack on ramadi is yet another indication that what the government of iraq really needs to do is connect these inkblots if you will, of their legitimate security forces so that there isn t this constant back and forth. that was the topic of our conversation with prime minister abadi yesterday. it is his intent to focus now on anbar province. is that why they need additional u.s. help? it s part of the reason. we didn t talk about specifying any particular kind of support to the anbar offensive but rather the concept of an anbar offensive while maintaining pressure north of baghdad as well. next question to jim schuto of cnn. just a brief follow on yemen, and i want to ask you about ukraine. in light of the fact aqap consistently described by u.s. counterterror officials as the principal principal, most severe threat with u.s. military assets out of there, the withdrawal of diplomats, a great number of u.s. intelligence resources, i wonder if you could articulate for the american people how much greater is the aqap threat to americans today due to aqap s advance, gaining territory there, and due to the loss of american assets on the ground there, target them track them et cetera. as the i said our efforts have to change their character but remain steady in their intensity. this is a group that as you indicated and as i indicated earlier, does show determination to not only fight on the ground in yemen, which is what you referred to but also strike at the united states. it s easier for us to operate against a group like that if we have the cooperation of a stable government as was the case in the past. but if we don t have a stable government, as is the case in the current circumstance, we have to use other means to protect ourselves, and that s what we re doing. but how do those other means compensate without putting u.s. special forces on the ground posts in the capital, cooperation with the existing government. it s hard i imagine, for people at home to imagine there s the same control and response. it s easier if there s a government with which we can cooperate in kpis tansexistence. we re not going to find that all the time in all places in the world. that s why we have counterterrorism capabilities that don t depend on that and we resort to them and need them and use them in a circumstance like this where we need to protect ourselves anyway. if i could just follow on ukraine. it s more than a year since russia took crimea and of course you have the action following in eastern ukraine and fighting flaring up despite the attempt of the cease-fire. i took note today that the russian president vladimir putin again claimed there are no russian troops on the ground in eastern ukraine, when the intelligence is to the contrary. i just wonder how you can move the ball forward when the adversary in this case won t even grant the facts on the ground. i just wonder as you come into this job, what evidence you have seen that the administration policy of gradually raising the economic costs on russia is having any effect whatsoever on the ground in ukraine. okay. well you re right, or as you suggest, the principal point of pressure the united states has been applying to russia for some time now in account of the fact that russia is and we know is participating in fomenting trouble in eastern ukraine is the economic pressure. of course that s not just ours jim. in particular, i guess it s important to note it s not especially ours. it s especially european sanctions because they have the most economic leverage over russia. i m not an economist, but i understand that those sanctions are having an effect on russia along with plumtsmeting oil prices. those are the two factors. so the first line of pressure for us is economic and political. and we re doing that. with respect to the question of russia s role in there, i think we have abundant evidence of that. the international community has abundant evidence of that. the europeans have evidence that convinces them to take the strong economic steps that they have. and my understanding is and my observation is that this is having a real effect on the russian economy and at some point the russian people are going to ask themselves whether these kinds of adventures are worth the price. thank you, jim. we ll try jamie. mr. secretary, good to see you again. it s been a few years. i noted at your ceremonial swearing in a while back that former secretary perry noted your joint efforts in attempting to denuclearize as you termed it north korea and that those efforts failed. my question to you is what lessons from that experience do you think would apply to the current situation with iran? and mr. chairman if i may follow on this tradition of asking each of you a question i m just also curious with iran apparently now in line to get these advanced air defense systems from russia does that effectively take the military option off the table at some point in the future or at the very least make it enormously more complicated? with respect to the nuclear weapons situation in ooish riran a couple of things. first, those negotiations that are being conducted by us and our p5+1 partners with the iranians have the objective of arresting the iranian nuclear program, and obviously that process isn t complete yet. as the president has indicated, he s looking for a good deal and there s no deal yet sewn up. so it s going to take some time for secretary kerry and the others who are negotiating that to see what kind of agreement they re able to reach with the iranians. but we ve made it clear what is necessary to satisfy us that the agreement is a good agreement from our point of view. for me here our role is not to conduct those negotiations but two other things. the first is to make sure that we have as the president says other options on the table. that s something we take very seriously here and we do have other options on the table. and the second thing is to continue to play a stabilizing role in the region as a whole with all of our friends and allies of which we have many there and continue to strengthen their capabilities and their confidence. so those are our two jobs here in the department of defense. i m very attentive to then as is chairman dempsey and everybody else. and to your question about the introduction of the s-300, the derivative they export the air defense system. we ve known about the potential for that system to be sold to iran for several years and have accounted for it in all of our planning. wouldn t it present a military obstacle if there was a need in the future to conduct a strike? the military option i owe the president to both encourage the diplomatic solution and if the diplomacy fails to ensure that iran doesn t achieve a nuclear weapon is intact. thank you. for both of you, first with general dempsey, i wanted to ask you about yemen. there s wide agreement that the houthis are backed financially by iran but the saudis seem to take it further and say that the houthis are not only supported by iran but are controlled by iran. sort of like hezbollah in lebanon. do you agree with that that the houthis are proxy or a tool of iranian power? and also so far the houthis and al qaeda both seem to be gaining territory during the saudi air strikes. do the saudis have anyone on the ground on their side in yemen to fight as their proxy? and for secretary carter post-tikrit, what role do you expect the shia militias to play in iraq in the u.s.-supported iraqi offensive? so to the question about the degree of control that iran exerts over the houthis. if you look back at the history of their relationship they have not exerted control in the same way that they exert control over lebanese hezbollah, for example. but they are a source of resources for the houthis. and the houthi leader himself is you know considers himself to be one of the heirs of the prophet. and the sect of shia islam from which the houthis draw their inspiration has an aspiration to restore that empire which existed centuries ago that included all of yemen and parts of southern saudi arabia. so i don t see them as having the same kind of relationship as lebanese hezbollah has with iran but they clearly have a relationship with them. to that extent the saudis are right to be concerned. and on the second question? yeah i forget what it was. do the saudis have anybody on the ground to fight as their proxy? yeah i won t speak to who s on the ground doing what from any of the coalition partners but i will tell you that general lloyd austin our central commander was in ryad today for a day-long consultation with the saudi leadership on their campaign plan. so with respect to shiite militias in iraq which was your question to me this is a subject that we discussed with the prime minister and the defense minister of iraq who are here this week. to go back to the important point there with which they agreed it s important that all forces acting against isis in iraq be under the control of the central iraqi government. that s the principle that we adhere to. that s the principle that the prime minister has. therefore, to get to your point about shiite militias there are shiite militias that have that characteristic characteristic and there are those that don t. the prime minister made it quite clear that the latter those not under his command and control, were not welcome there, would not participate in their operations and would not be supported. they certainly won t be supported by us. we support 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also today he hopped into the cockpit of a private plane with his young son ignoring air traffic control and crashing the plane. want until you hear what police say he was doing before he got behind the controls. good afternoon afternoon. welcome to the lead everyone. i m jake tapper. a disturbing and unprecedented admission upon the people we count to protect us from tear rage. tear original. the fbi asking for help dealing with the huge surge of isis sympathizers here in the u.s. some perhaps online loners others could be quite dangerous and hell-bent on carrying out an attack in the homeland. we have evidence this is a real problem. evan perez joins me now. part of this plea for help is an admission they did not have the man power to stop the shooting outside that cartoon of the prophet muhammad contest in garland, texas. jake they re facing two problems really. they can t stop what they can t see, and secondly they don t have enough people to keep an eye on what they say are hundreds of isis supporters that they think bear watching and so what they re turning to the lapd and los angeles police department increasing surveillance to help the fbi. jim comey, director of the fbi, made an appeal really to police departments earlier this month on a secure conference call saying i need your help because there s too many of these people and as you said garland was the thing that brought it to mind. we asked mr. comey a the a press conference in brooklyn about this. here s what he had to say. what is an incredibly difficult task we are enlisting all federal and state and local partners in and i can t stand here with high confidence when i face a world that s continually dark and say i ve got it covered. saying dark talking about the use of encrypted communications, peer to peer communications they found that in the garland case. elton simpson communicating with encrypted communications. that s is what unnerved him, really and what they re finding, jake, is that they don t have enough people. each one of these suspects takes dozens of people to watch, and in this case in elton simpson s case they had fbi watching him, lost him for a couple of days. didn t know he was headed to garland, texas, to carry out this attack. wow. evan perez, thank you so much. let s talk more about this with cnn counterterrorism analyst phil mudd and ron hosco former director of the investigations division of the fbi. thank you both for being here. phil start with you. is it unusual for the fbi to acknowledge that they are essentially overwhelmed by the task at hand? i think you should take this a step further. what we have here is not justify a law enforcement problem but a fundamental change in the way counterterrorism works. if you re at the krib kribcia or fbi threat table, you re looking at a place like pakistan mapping across the united states and advising fbi state locals et cetera periodically a player on your turf turf. transitioning, across america, new york california arizona, a spread s al qaeda ideology beyond a few cases and we have a plea from the fbi director saying be my eyes and ears be, we can t focus on a few isolated plots from one core place in pakistan. so much is being done on social media and in enkrichtcrypted technology evan said. right. a resource multiplier for the fbi. the fbi is very good at what it does however not ominousant and not omnipresent. if you can use the help of 800,000 state and local law enforcement officers to be additional eyes and ears very much a team effort. this isn t just law enforcement, isn t just the intelligence community, this is the community. this is citizens, looking for indicateors indicators. looking for changes. the fbi acts based on indicators based on intelligence, and if you have millions of people looking and thinking about this as a possibility and sharing that information, then the fbi has an easier job of sorting through it and prioritizing. phil has isis changed the way local police do their jobs? i think it has. look how isis is transmitting communication. back in the day, the message would be communicated face to face. al qaeda had to talk to somebody in the 1990s, for example the at a camp in afghanistan. we need closed clandestine cells and keep them secret. it s hard to find operatives to get into the united states. fast-forward, 2015 isis is crowd sourcing terrorism. no effort to keep it secret. tens of thousands read it. if 1/10 of 1,000 of them it s a total change in the terrorism world and they win. the threat posed by isis will get worse before it gets better. what do you mean by that? as phil knows quite well from sitting around that table at fbi headquarters, once five ten years ago, we saw defined pathways to jihad, to violent extremism. frequently that involved citizens here traveling to waziristan and nafada. now the recruitment effort is on your tv screen on your computer at home. penetrating not only who might be motivated but understanding their mind-set and at any given time is extremely difficult. all right. thank you both. appreciate it. also breaking in national we have learned that more than two dozen lab workers including four in the united states are now being traded for exposure to the deadly bacteria anthrax an that bizarre blunder by the u.s. military. live anthrax samples, we told you yesterday, mistakenly shipped by fed eddex by an army lab in utah and shipped to a military base in south korea. while the pentagon is stressing, there is no threat to the general public it is still quite inexplicable how a potentially deadly bioweapon could have been handled, really carelessly. bring in cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr. the centers for d.c.isease control is involved. what role do they play? reporter: at this point thetaking the lead looking at everything the pentagon did. the problem is the pentagon doesn t know what it did. 22 shipments, all potentially live anthrax and worse, for over a year nobody knew it. the military now scrambling to explain how it could have happened. it s a great question and that s exactly why we brought in the center for disease control and their investigators. reporter: the army contracted with fedex for the shipments. the company says it s working with the federal government. the anthrax was to be shipped as dead agent, supposedly a less dangerous form. that doesn t have much meaning to me. anthrax can exist for decades, centuries, underground in a spore form. this hard crusted inatment form that eventually can change into an active poisonous-type form. reporter: weeks after the 9/11 attacks, letters laced with anthrax were sent killing five americans in what the fbi calms the worst biological attack in u.s. history. this time no indication of a deliberate act, and the pentagon says no one is sick. a growing investigation is spreading across nine states and overseas to ohaeea osan air base receiving antibiotics and vaccinations after a potential exposure during a training exercise. they began medical care may 22nd, five days after the pentagon first received word it got live shipments not dead agent for research. the pentagon says it s looking into why the late notification. the anthrax was in south korea for over a year. no one knowing it was live. it all began last year on march 18th, 2014 at dugway proving grounds, an army base in utah. a load of anthrax irradiated. the intent, to kill the live agent before shipment. over the next year the material was divided into a number of lots and it was shipped 22 times until last friday when a maryland lab discovered it had live anthrax. now look it s really important to draw distinctions. in 25078 2001 loose agent in envelopes very much designed to harm people. this time the material was shipped in secure containers. the pentagon says. it should have been more secure because it was live agent, it was dead agent but still it was shipped in what the pentagon believes was a secure fashion. nobody is sick but the bottom line is all of this under investigation, because the pentagon cannot be sure at this point exactly what it is dealing with. jake? 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that s the blanco river rushing into the basemented of one family s house in texas. the water s force breaking down a door and going on to create almost a giant washing machine thing whipping around tables and chairs. today s national lead a new call for evacuations along swollen texas rivers to prevent another family from experiencing a scene like that in person. more storms over the next five days could trigger even more devastating floods in the region. in hays county texas, alone, eight missing including laura mccomb and her two children. cnn meteorologist jennifer graydowns live in women ber wimberley, texas. reporter: the ground is completely saturated. any additional rain is just going to make matters worse. look behind me that s the blanco river, still running high even though it s gone down considerably and not only getting rain in this area but anywhere north of there, upstream all the water will flow down like the river behind me and create problems across the region jake. obviously, we re most concerned about the loss of life in additional floods but this is also going to be a big challenge for the search crews still trying to find people? reporter: yeah. absolutely. there are still eight people missing, and they have been out all day long for the past five days searching for people. and when it rains, that creates a problem. first of all, you don t want fluctuation in the liver level because of all of the debris they are sifting through. down the river, they have debris piles as tall as these trees they re going through. more rain it displaces some debrie and makes it really challenging. three people identified one pending identification and one of the most recent ones we learned about today was michelle charba found the rest of her family unfortunately missing. her husband, son and her parents. they told us today these crews will be out no matter what and will keep searching until the rest of the victims are found, jake. jennifer it s not just south texas getting the severe weather. the right? reporter: absolutely. in fact we had a tornado in the panhandle yesterday. in fact three people were injured from that. it hit an oil rig area and hit these houses what they call dog houses where they store their tools. that s what was hit. the people had to be rushed to the hospital but it was so challenging, because the weather was still severe when they re trying to get them to the hospital. one person describes it as seeming like tornadoes were touching down everywhere. he said the ambulances were trying to travel through the mud and the rain and the severe weather, trying to get these people help. it has ban wild week for weather, and it has been tragic here in wimberley, texas, with off the flooding and then we ve had the tornadoes and so you know it s been a rough week for the folks here but they ve all come together helping each other out and the search crews are determined to find the rest of the families 0 ut there. jennifer gray thank you so much. go now to wharton, texas, about 2.5 hours closer to the gulf coast. the mayor there, domingo mantabo jr. joins me on the phone. mayor, thanks for joining us. as i understand it you re a lifelong wharton resident. have you ever seen anything like this before? well we ve experienced some flooding like this before and fortunately, we can plan. it s we certainly our hearts go out to the folks with the flash flooding upon them and surprised them, but we re very fortunate here to be able to plan. # . we have time to get folks out of harm s way. as i understand it the concern are for those who live on the west side of wharton. are most people listening to your calls and those from other emergency officials for voluntary evacuations? yes, sir. i think that s the advantage of being born and raised here, and knowing most of the people. the people that live here in the community. they are taking heed to the warning. the other thing is we are a small community. so we re able to touch every door in order to make sure that all of our citizens get the information, the correct information, and they ve been having a mass exodus out of that area, and we re playraying we don t get nor rain because with the river up as it is if it rains in town the water s going to stay basically here in the town. there s nowhere for the water to drain off to the reason the west side of your town there is the most concern about that part that s where the colorado river runs alongside, and experts are saying that it could crest, the river, sometime friday night, maybe saturday. are you prepared? is your town ready to deal with this, if that happens? yes, sir. having experiences in 95 and several other floods here we we re very prepared. certainly when you face mother nature there s a lot of variables that come into it but we re as prepared as we can be. we can t move the river, but we can certainly move the people out of the way. the fire chief expressed concern earlier today in that press conference where you two spoke, and the chief said that he was worried too many people in your town seemed to be taking their time packing, taking their time evacuating. why is that? well i know that there s been people ever since yesterday that have been packing up. we went and rode through the west part of wharton and saw a lot of people that were getting, moving out of the way. so it s been my take that they are taking it seriously, and that we re moving right along. all right. the national weather service saying that many homes in your area already have three feet of flooding. have you seen enough of a state and/or federal response to the needs of the people of wharton, texas? you know having floods before we were always pleased with the response from the state and the federal government. and we re extremely glad to have the cooperation of the river authority. the lcra lower colorado river authority, and having worked and lived here and gone through it it s kind of a we ve had a lot of dress rehearsals in order to be able to affectively protect our citizens. all right. wharton, texas, mayor, domingo montalvo jr., our thoughts and prayers are with the people in the region in general. thanks for talking to us. thank you. coming up d.c. police taking a closer look at the assistant of the man murdered in the home. why texts and instagram messages are raising questions about what he was doing the day of the murders. plus another one of vladimir putin s critics surprisingly ending up in the hospital. what doctors are saying about claims he might have been poisoned. that s coming up. i have moderate to severe crohn s disease. it s tough, but i ve managed. but managing my symptoms was all i was doing. so when i finally told my doctor, he said humira is for adults like me who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn s disease. and that in clinical studies the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief. and many achieved remission. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you ve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common and if you ve had tb hepatitis b, are prone to infections or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don t start humira if you have an infection. if you re still just managing your symptoms, ask your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, remission is possible. with every hole-in-one at a pga tour event you could be mortgage free for an entire year. how great would that be? 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reporter: i spoke to a friend who tells me he has been cooperating with police. one of several stell under investigation related to the quadruple homicide. tonight we are learning more about a key witness in the quadruple homicide. the assistant of savvas savopoulos trying to launch a car racing career and began working as savopoulos driver just a few months ago according to a source. police say his last earned for his boss drop off $40,000 in cash at the family s home while they were held hostage saying his phone had a number of text mempgs and calm ss and calls with mr. savopoulos. the person selecteded to get the $40,000 back to the house. he ll play a hugely important role in resolving this case. reporter: listed as once one in court documents, the assistant changed his account of events regarding where he left the package, when told to get the package and how he received the package tells authorities he lied when he stated the money was in a manila envelope. police say he texted the picture of the money in a red bag to another witness on the morning of the mudders. is it possible that you misremember putting money in a manila envelope as opposed to red bags? it s possible. but starts to become less possible when a few hours ago you texted a picture of that same bag. reporter: according to local washington affiliate wttg the assistant s instagram account shows pictures of fancy cars including from inside his boss blue porsche where he writes another day on the job. my office today is pretty nice. #porsche. #turbo. #911 #911 #work. according to police records a witness says the driver of the stolen porsche had short groomed hair. wint has mid-lengthed dread locks. arrested when his dna was found on a pizza crust where the murders took place. almost like a crime novel with an elaborate, complex plot and we re only given pieces. reporter: still a lot to learn. police to investigate the people with darin wenton wint when arrested including his brother, cousin and two women who allegedly purchased money orders with the money. all let go? within 24 hours and that doesn t mean they re off the hook. thanks. and some suggesting senator rand paul should run as a dell. a new poll shows there s a reason some critics should be concerned. does he rand paul have the best shot at beating hillary clinton? 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motrin helps you be an unstoppable, let s-rock-this-concert- like-it s-1999 kind of mom. when pain tries to stop you, there s motrin. motrin works fast to stop pain where it starts. make it happen with new motrin liquid gels. welcome back to the lead. i m jake tapper. our politics lead the wras for 2016 and soon easier to tell you which republicans are not running for president. two more gop hopefuls entered the ever didn t growering field. despite having official and unofficial candidates to choose from the latest polling found none of them as of now would defeat democratic front-runner hillary clinton. of course that s just if the election wb held today. is it all good news for the former secretary of state? well, not quite. call it the clinton conundrum. not trusted by a majority of the majority people, but favored to be their president. in a brand new quinnipiac poll more than half says clinton is not honest nor trustworthy but manages to beat out any other candidate for overall support including each of the republicans currently in a five-way tie for first place, with 10% of gop voters support. i m a candidate for the republican nomination. former new york governor george pataki came to new hampshire today, standee before a rather wrinkled flag and vowed to iron out washington s problems. let s let every washington politician know from now on you re going to live under the same rules and laws we do. reporter: former pennsylvania senator rick santorum declared his presidential candidacy wednesday. i am running for president of the united states. reporter: santorum came in second for the gop nomination in 2012 but as of now is barely registering in the national poll. seemingly sweeping only immediate family and friends. i divide food for my family and i wasn t in front of your tv often over the last three years. reporter: kentucky senator rand paul is nearly omnipresent from filibusters and tv appearances to signing copies of his new book in iowa today. paul is taking a lot of hits. new jersey governor chris christie lashes out at him wednesday. not nice to disagree you re probably in the wrong race. reporter: in las vegas, marco rubio visits one of his more interesting endorsers. one of the stars of the reality show pawn stars on the history channel. it s a starting point. reporter: history in the making. i suppose. just 530 days to go before the finish line for 2016. and joining me to talk about the race for 2016 is republican strategist and cnn poll commentateor and democratic strategist steve mcmahon. guys thanks for being here. steve, talk about conundrum. majority find her not honest or trustworthy yet are picking her. this is the top number hon nefrt and trustworthy, most people yes, 39%. no 53%. independents yes, 31%. no 61%. 61% of independent voters do not find clinton hon echt or trust worth e! trustworthy. she has to turn it around? right, and she will. the country is pollaryized. republicans overwhelmingly represented even the republican independents. no question the coverage of the e-mail situation and some of the clinton foundation news that s been focused on lately is probably reflected in some of these numbers but i expect when you have a race against a republican most people find the policies of that candidate fairly objectionable. it s going to look a lot different. s.e. ask you the same poll shows in head-to-head matchups two candidates come within striking distance of hillary clinton. it s early yet, obviously. they are marco rubio and rand paul each one four points behind. do you think there s some something they is it because they re both younger fresher? fresh, yeah. i think so. and we ve been hearing a lot from marco rubio and rand paul, which i think usually that is reflective in polls. i expect those numbers to shift over the next few weeks. i expect someone like mike huckabee s numbers to go down. rick santorum s to go up as he gets more vocal. so but that sounds about right. i think marco rubio is absolute absolutely a rising star and candidate to watch. rand palm is having a tough time now and i expect his numbers to drop as well. they re the new upstarts. the fresh upstarts. the people that republicans are certainly watching to see what they say on all of these issues going forward. occupying the space that governor walker was occupying a couple months ago when he was the fresh, new upstart and the scrutiny will start to come and attention comes and seeing articles about marco rubio that aren t at flattering as the articles from six or eight months ago and rand paul is going through it today, right now, in realtime. his republican opponents are beating him senseless on some comments he made recently about the hawks. blaming republican hawks. this is the point. all republican contenders and would-be contenders are answers questions, making news and you see it reflected in the polls. hillary clinton is not really doing that. her nushs are stick. she s winning, though. there s an argument to be made the strategy the clinton campaign is executing now 0 is working because there s nos a republican who s ahead of her in any poll that s been published at kniss time in in the last year. and until november no no. she won t. she ll answer questions. look she believes and her campaign believes this campaign should be about the voters not the reporters covering it and she ll answer the questions, but if she s not there to answer reporter s question there to talk to voters. people vitt sized her for last time walled herself off from not just the press but voters. they re not making that mistake again. i don t think anybody s criticizing her for talking to voters. before though, jake. a lot of speeches a lot of big events behind a podium. now she s right in there. i don t blame hillary for this strategy. rewarded for it. i blame members of of the media for peddling puff pieces while he refuses to talk to them i. want to move on to interesting news from today. mother jones magazine did a profile of bernie sanders, senator from vermont, democrat, challenges hillary clinton. and there was this essay he wrote when e had was 30 years old in 1971. an old essay but rights a man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy. a woman on her knees a woman tied up woman fantasizes beraped by three men simultaneously. talk answer gender rules. it is very strange and obviously there is a lot to object to in this steve? there is. i m not going to defend it. leave it to the sanders campaign. we have yet to get a response back, by the way. i m sure they ll is a a long time ago. it was. he was 30. 30 years old. and providing analysis not his own views but no question that this is going to be a challenge for them although i will say more relevant when he s more relevant. right now he s not very relevant and probably this won t be either. you want to talk about that? it s just so uncomfortable. a very uncomfortable moment and if george bush s college grades were relevant if rand paul s fraternity high jinx were relevant there are relevant questions to ask bernie sanders about. why we re asking now and why we i m not saying irrelevant as a candidate, he s irrelevant. not getting the attention of jeb bush as a nominee. and chris christie governor of new jersey not doing great in polls but still a relevant force i think, and he today basically said the common core educational standards, federal educational standards, that he had supported, he now opposes. yes. obviously something that will endear him to republican base voters. coincidence? right. no. what s amazing about this made me think about your interview with him. where you asked him about some of his bad poll numbers and where he was, how this was an uphill battle. it struk mestruck me seemed almost unfazed, confident. i don t pay attention to the polls, maybe because we had this in mind. he would come out with this announcement really sort of blow the field wide open. a jab to jeb bush who support common core and maybe create is whole new ball game? maybe in mind all along. interesting. thank you both so much. appreciate it. great to sue e both. coming up flying while intoxicated. a father with his young son onboard crashes his plane after getting behind the controls of the plane drunk. what the air traffic controller said to him right before he crashed. plus casual sex, as easy agency swiping your finger on your phone, the kids say. now officials are warning, does dating hookup apps could be to blame, at least partially, for 0 a health scare in several states. i m caridee. i ve had moderate to severe plaque psoriasis most of my life. but that hasn t stopped me from modeling. my doctor told me about stelara® it helps keep my skin clearer. with only 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses. .stelara® helps me be in season. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and increase your risk of infections. some serious infections require hospitalization. before starting stelara® your doctor should test for tuberculosis. stelara® may increase your risk of cancer. always tell your doctor if you have any sign of infection have had cancer, or if you develop any new skin growths. do not take stelara® if you are allergic to stelara® or any of its ingredients. alert your doctor of new or worsening problems including headaches, seizures, confusion and vision problems. these may be signs of a rare potentially fatal brain condition. serious allergic reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you or anyone in your house needs or has recently received a vaccine. in a medical study most stelara® patients saw at least 75% clearer skin and the majority were rated as cleared or minimal at 12 weeks. stelara® helps keep my skin clearer. ask your doctor about stelara®. music plays love you by the free design attendant: welcome back. man: thank you. it s not home. but with every well considered detail . . . it becomes one step closer. no wonder more people. . . choose delta than any other airline. every auto insurance policy has a number. but not every insurance company understands the life behind it. those who have served our nation have earned the very best service in return. usaa. we know what it means to serve. get an auto insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. welcome back to the lead. i m jake tapper. in other national news flying under the influence. a drunk pilot crashed his twin engine plane into an airport shed in melbourne florida, with his young son as a passenger. bring in cnn s aviation correspondent rene marsh. this guy and his son are very very lucky to be alive. reporter: yeah. you know we just got the police report and in it it says that this man was slurring his speech. he was sweating. he even appeared disoriented. they even found open bottles of alcohol in the pilot s plane after he crashed at melbourne, international airport. a very busy airport with both general aviation and commercial flights. 32-where you going, sir? okay. how you doing that, sir? reporter: air traffic control audio captures a frustrated controller dealing with a defiant and officials say intoxicated pilot. on the taxiway at melbourne, international airport in florida. hold your position. i didn t tell you to move. reporter: the cessna ran off the runway and through a ditch before hitting a satellite dish on airport grounds. 57-year-old christopher hall was at the controls of the private plane and his 10-year-old son was onboard. the police report obtained by cnn says the pilot s speech was slurred. police smelled alcohol, and hall s eyes appeared bloodshot. as a commercial pilot, i am randomly drug tested. as a general aviation pilot, they are not required to have any sort of random drug test before getting in their own airplanes. reporter: controllers deny the a request to enter the runway. despite that he taxied in that direction anyway. cessna turn your engines af sir. kill your engine. what about your son? did you put him in danger? reporter: it was hall s 10-year-old son who told officers he knew what had happened and the answer was in his father s computer bag. police find a half empty bottle of cognac and, you know opened bottle of wirn and behind the pilot s seat a plastic bottle contained what smelled like liquor. hall was arrested and charged with reckless operation of a vessel and child abuse without great harm. a felony. this is the epitome of offenses when it comes to the privilege of flying an aircraft. this is a total irresponsible act to fly after consumption of alcohol and if indeed this alleged charge is true notwithstanding the fact he put his own son at risk he put the general public at risk. reporter: he certainly did, but the father and son are both okay. hall was released on $4,000 bond. we were unable to reach him for comment, but, jake the faa has very clear rules about drinking and flying. obviously goes without saying if you re intoxicated, you should not be flying. also if your blood alcohol level is .04 or higher they say flying is a no no. that s about half of what it is for driving. so glad that story s not worst than it was. yeah. rene marsh, thanks. sports lead. hosting the 2018 world cup so he clearly has a horse in the race. today the russian president vladimir putin is coming out defense of fifa s president and slamming the united states after the fbi conducted raids and charged more than a dozen world soccer officials and sports marketing executives with a list of mob tactics including money larnding taking bribes totaling $150 million. the fifa president avoided charges. a swiss investigation is looking into possible shenanigans related to the 2018 and 20272 world cup bids which went to russia and qatar, respectively. putin charged the united states with trying to impose their rules on other states. and one of the chief opponents of vladimir putin, a chief opponent wound up almost dead. 33-year-old vladimir karamoza remains in grave condition two days after being admitted for pancreatitis and double ma pneumonia. as of now no evidence he was poisoned. boris nem boris nemkov shot and killed right outside the kremlin. and who s available to hook up within a one-mile radius. health officials warn watch out. you could get more than you asked for. that s next. apples may fall, but the apples of your cheeks don t have to. defy gravity with juvéderm voluma®. the first and only injectable gel approved by the fda to instantly add volume to your cheek area. as you age, it s not just about lines and wrinkles. your cheeks lose volume and can sag. voluma instantly adds volume to create contour and lift to the apples of your cheeks for a more youthful profile for up to 2 years. temporary side effects include tenderness, swelling, firmness lumps, bumps, bruising pain, redness, discoloration and itching. ask your doctor about non-surgical juvéderm voluma® xc from the #1 selling family of fillers. sorry newton, not everything has to fall. see before & afters at juvederm.com. juvéderm voluma®. winner of the 2014 allure breakthrough award. defy gravity. you total your brand new car. nobody s hurt,but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they ll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do, drive three-quarters of a car? 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right, jake. there s no way to really no that it s the hookup apps causing it certainly, look from the 1980s to now huge increases in some places in sexually transmitted diseases and no reason other than social media we would see this kind of increase. let s take a look at what these numbers tell us. it tells us that at least in the state of rhode island there are similar findings other places syphilis up 79% from the 1980s until now. gonorrhea up 30%. and newly identified hiv up 33%, and, again, you know, there may be other reasons for this but experts are saying look with these apps you just swipe right and you re sleeping with someone you don t know. these apps make it easier for peel to people to hook up. there s got to be responsibility. apps are forcing them to can do this? right. not forcing anyone and people had promiscuous sex before the apps. it s really up to someone to decide look i m going to ask this person to get tested before i have sex with them. i m going to use a condom. i m going to make sure i m sober enough to ask those two things. that s the person s responsibility not the app s responsibility. so how are those health officials who are blaming these apps how are they saying social media in general is contributing to this increase in risky behavior? they can t really prove it jake. they can t point to any specific thing necessarily. but they know that that s how a lot of people are dating these days and it s an interesting question. how can public health officials harness he s apps for good? maybe they can use these apps in way to promote safe sex rather than promote promiscuity. how these people are, quote/unquote dating. doing air quotes. dating these days. having sex. call it what it is. elizabeth cohen. thanks. that s it for the lead. wolf blitzer is next door to the lead in the place we like to call situation room. thanks for watching. happening now anthrax scare. disturbing new revelations of shipments of live anthrax from a u.s. army lab to nine states and to south korea. all by fedex. more than two dozen people treated for positive exposure. how could such a potentially deadly mistake happen? spying deadline. time is running out quickly for one of the nsa s most critical terror cracking programs. set to expire sunday night, unless the u.s. senate takes action. the white house is making dire warnings about national security. i ll talk live to the president s communications director. tracking isis. cnn has learned that federal officials are asking local police to step up surveillance of isis
jaw dropping new numbers on police shootings from the washington post. and good news for texas gun owners who want to pack heat in college dorms, cafeterias and classrooms. all in starts right now. good evening from new york. i m chris hayes. in what was an instantly iconic cultural moment today, the day america was introduced to caitlyn jenner. call me caitlyn with a portrait by annie lebowitz. according to an a accompanied piece, bruce jenner went to the surgeon s office in beverly hills thinking the facial feminization surgery would take about five hours. caitlyn left the office in beverly hills after the procedure had taken roughly ten hours. in a video on vanity fair s website, caitlyn jenner described her thoughts. i was probably at the gauge because i was running away from a lot of things. very, very proud of the accomplishment. i don t want to diminish the accomplishment. the last few days doing the shoot was about my life and who i am as a person. bruce always had to tell a lie. he was always living that lie every day. he always had a secret from morning until night. caitlyn doesn t have any secrets. as soon as the vanity fair cover comes out, i m free. caitlyn jenner s first tweet, i m so happy after such a long struggle, to be living my true self. welcome to the world, caitlyn. can t wait for you to get to know her/me. caitlyn jenner has 1 million followers on her newly established twitter handle. earlier today she became the fastest twitter follower to each one million, faster than even president obama. today ushered in the next chapter of the transition of the olympic gold medal superstar and reality tv staple who has been known as bruce jenner. he first publicly announced he was in the process of transitioning to a woman in an interview with diane sawyer broadcast april 24th. i look at it this way. bruce always telling a lie. he s lived the lie his whole life about who he is. and i can t do that any longer. are you a woman? yes, for all intents and purposes, i am a woman. now with this first public photograph as caitlyn jenner has become the most famous transgender person to go through a transition in the public eye in history. indicate caitlyn jenner will have her own reality tv show on e! and she will be awarded the arthur ashe courage award at the espn espy awards. congressman mike honda of california tweeted in february, quote, as a proud grandpa of a transgender grandchild i hope she can fear safe at school without fear of being bullied. congressman, it s a great pleasure to have you. thank you. first, your sense of the import of this as this cultural moment today. well, i think it s a moment, like you said, a culture moment but it s also a moment of teaching and learning. and i think that caitlyn had done a wonderful job of instructing people about his life, her life, and the distinction. and i think she was very hard on herself when she said that bruce jenner was a liar. well, society had a lot to do with it and didn t allow that kind of exposure to happen. i hope that her story today and in the future will be able to mature our population and make us a little bit more open and eliminate a lot more closets for young people. i find her discussion of this real unburdening that s happening, the idea of living with the burden, profoundly moving. part of the reason i wanted to talk to you, you re someone of the roughly same age cohort as jenner. and, obviously this is something i think there s a certain kind of learning curve for folks of that cohort. i m curious how you ve gone through that yourself. i think the folks of my cohort, a couple of changes occur almost immediately. a change of pronouns and even searches for a more appropriate pronoun. and i think that how we look at birthing and how children are assigned a gender is going to be important, also. i think people of my age group have a lot of learning to do, but it s something that helps us become more open, more nurturing, more embracing, and it ll save a lot of lives. what do you mean by that? i think suicide among youngsters who are in question about their own gender, the fact that they re being bullied all the time, and the effort to protect them from bullying is minimal right now. but with this kind of discussion, i think that more and more youngsters, more and more people will be aware of what kind of hurt and how far that hurt drives into a person to a point of committing suicide. and i think we have youngsters who when they first declare themselves to parents are very powerful image and person of a child s life if there s a resistance from a youngster declaring herself in the case of of my milissa, that s the initiative nation, the first plank of the door to the closet. to the extent that we re open and we re nurturing and engaging and allowing them to express themselves, that door will not exist. do you have conversations about this issue with your colleagues? obviously there are tremendous legal impediments, not just prejudice, there are legal impediments to folks out there. tell me the level of kind of familiarity, literacy, open-mindedness among your colleagues. i think that s an ongoing process. we re still going through the acceptance of the letters lbgtq. although we ve passed laws and the supreme court has made judgments, we still have a way to go and i think open dialogue and discussion is healthy. i have a colleague from florida and we have our occasional chats. i think for myself this past weekend i spent time with a gentleman by the name of joel who is the executive director of gender spectrum group in emeryville, california who work versus closely with the endocrinologists at ucsf university of california san francisco, who is an endocrinologist, steven rosenthal. they re collaborating and looking at the science and the sociology of transgender. and i think from their work we can come up with some word smithing on how to adjust our policies in an appropriate way. congressman mike honda, a great pleasure. thank you for joining me tonight. thank you. there are 700,000 transgender men and women in the u.s. according to the williams institute ucla. most of them not famous and many are often the target of open hostility but there are positive legal developments. today department of labor occupational safety and health administration osha issued a four-page guide to rest room access for transgender access to ensure trahn transgender employees are able to work in a manner consistent with how they live the rest of their lives. and said transgender employees should have access to the restroom that correspondents to their gender identity and not be forced to use a third or gender neutral bathroom. today in connecticut both houses of the state legislature passed a bill to changing gender on birth certificates according to a press release. according to the movement advancement project most states seen here as red or light orange score poorly when ranked on lgbt policy issues that include marriage, adoption safe schools, health and safety and ability for transgender people to be able to change the gender on identity documents. joining me now parker malloy transgender rights advocate. there are so many tangible concrete battles fought for equality in this space. i want to talk about your assessment of the import of this moment, this cultural moment, how it will impact those battles happening on the ground. sure. thanks for having me, chris. i believe that it all kind of ties together. you see these legal developments, the osha pamphlet essentially, along with the connecticut s new law. these are great things. this is a positive step forward. you combine that with caitlyn jenner popping up on the cover of vanity fair and there s just so much visibility right now. i believe it ties in together. as you mentioned things most people aren t like caitlyn jenner. most people have to go to a day job and don t have the luxury of being able to hide away like that. so osha s recommendation is really important in the sense it s trying to help the majority of transpeople. the issue is the fact this is just a recommendation. it doesn t have any real teeth to it. there s nothing that can force people to follow it. and while they do note that the courts have ruled in favor of transpeople in these cases, these are expensive battles to take to court. and so that makes it prohibitive in another sense. the point you made there strikes me as an essential and important one about the kind of day-to-day friction with a world that isn t necessarily in the most enlightened space in conceiving of this. and sometimes i think probably out of ignorance more than malice but a combination of both what are policies that you think could genuinely get us towards a better world in that respect? sure. i think the first thing that needs to happen there, we need to see work place protections and not to just rely on those protections being the department of justice ruling or osha ruling something. we need to have that in legislation which is why i think it s really important we get a trans inclusive employment nondiscrimination act passed through congress without, you know any excessive loopholes that allow people out of that. because we just need to make it clear that it s not okay to deny someone work and it s not okay to fire them just for being trans or for coming out as trans. because as long as that s the case it legitimizes the argument that trans people aren t okay, that there is something wrong with them. they re not welcome to be around children. recently there was a case at a barnes & noble where a trans employee who is now suing barnes & noble claims that she was fired after coming out as trans, and part of the reason that was given was think about the children. this is a family are store. now nothing hurts more than hearing people say that you can t be around children or you shouldn t be around children simply are for existing. and that comes from this culture that s built in that really envelops all of us. that s interesting, this sort of essential front line nature of actual statutory work place protection is a really key point. parker molloy, thank you for your time. still ahead, just how texas just voted to allow guns in more places on college campuses. plus rand paul takes on his own party over the patriot act. first, a brand-new contender for president, and an update on our all in 2016 fantasy candidate draft. that s next. audible safety beeping audible safety beeping audible safety beeping the nissan rogue with safety shield technologies. the only thing left to fear is you imagination. nissan. innovation that excites. today we have another entrant in the presidential race which means more points on our all in fantasy candidate draft board. lindsey graham, if you like john mccain then you re going to like lindsey graham. my illegitimate son, lindsey graham, is exploring that option. he s a southern hawk from the home of the gamecocks. if you have a war, he is for it. put your hands together for south carolina senator lindsey graham. 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rand paul, the man mcconnell endorsed for president, used the special session to lecture his colleagues about what he sees as their willingness to give away americans freedoms. things got pretty nasty. people here in town think i m making a huge mistake. some of them, i think, secretly want there to be an attack on the united states so they can blame it on me. paul admitted today that might have been hyperbolic. he energized his supporters and infuriated colleagues with mccain, dianne feinstein suggesting paul was putting his political ambitions ahead of security. republican senators or the into paul at a closed door meeting sunday evening which paul himself skipped and which senator mark kirk of illinois dubbed the we don t stand with rand meeting. tomorrow when paul runs out of tools to block it, the senate is expected to move forward on that freedom bill reinstate the provisions but blocking bulk collection of phone records by the government. the big question after all of this political posturing in the most dramatic debate over american surveillance since september 11 is whether after all of this anything will have truly changed. joining me one of the few representatives to vote against that house bill congressman ted liu of california. thank you for joining me. okay. i m confused. at 2:15 we saw the government can say give us three months of phone records, every metadata, every phone record call, not the content, but who is calling whom, we want to store it. what is different about the way the freedom act has changed that? i still don t quite understand it. the freedom act has private sector telephone companies hold on to the record and that s one reason i voted no against the freedom act. i don t believe private sector companies should be an arm of law enforcement. right. this is what i don t understand. don t they by definition have these records? like the id of holding on the the records, like verizon presumably can access this if they need to. i don t understand what affirmatively they re being asked to do here. here is the whole rub with all of this. even though the patriot act has expired, the nsa can still do everything it virtually wants to do if they just get a warrant. the whole issue can they spy on americans without warrants? and i support what rand paul did. i might add, by the way, since the patriot act provision expired today might be a good day to call your mother. it will be the first time in many years the federal government is not seizing your phone records. okay first of all, on this warrant question, right. my understanding, though again, let s get into the details, the reason that the document that leaked, right, the snowden document that leaked was that not a warrant or was that just an order from the federal government for the bulk collection? you have these fisa courts, a rubber stamped court, that has done everything the nsa asked and they gave a generalized warrant that said you, nsa, can seize every phone record of every american. and that s just flat out unconstitutional. federal courts have ruled that. and the notion that you are suspicious just because you use a phone is a noteworthy constitution and that s why congress is so upset about what the nsa did. so let s say this passes, i we have the freedom act. i am some part of the government, the nsa, and i want those records now. could i still go get the whole group of them from verizon which is storing them or do i have to say i want the phone records for this individual person? you would have to have a select search query to these phone companies. i see. i think it s still a little too broad the way it s written. the usa freedom act clearly is better than the existing patriot act. i voted no because i thought the limits don t go far enough. it really comes down to the fourth amendment, which is really clear. the right of people to be free of unwanted search and seizures unless the government gets a warrant. and for years the government has not been doing that. the history here is in the 18th century, the colonists hated king george ii had suspended the necessity of getting specific warrants. there were general warrants in the colonies that allowed the british to just take everything in a house and it specifically general warrants, that was one of the arguments the colonists made for the tyranny of king george. that s exactly right. that s why when you really look at this issue, if you want to have this mass surveillance of americans, you have to change the constitution. if you re not going to be able to do that, the nsa cannot be executing the bulk collection programs. now we have seen how easily the surveillance state can kind of tweak itself to do what it needs to do or feels it needs to do, no matter what the laws are on the ground. do you have any confidence we will actually see genuine constraints imposed on what the nsa is doing? i think we should start from the bottom up and scrap the entire patriot act and rebuild it. that s one reason i was against the usa freedom act. if that s the only thing congress can pass, it will be a step in the right direction, and at the end of the day it s pretty simple, just follow the constitution. that s all we re asking our federal agencies to do. and if they don t, then it s corrosive to our democracy and it reduces trust in our executive branch, and that is not helpful. what is your sense of where this debate has gone and where it s going? it seemed for a while, the last few years, the polling reflects people, a lot of people are disturbed by some of the things the federal government has been revealed to have been doing. at the same time some of the fear around a renewed terrorist threat or a sense there is a renewed terrorist threat has changed that point. where do you think we are right now in terms of the public debate on this? my constituents in southern california sent me here to fight for their privacy and fourth amendment rights. on this issue of balancing liberty and security it s not even a close call because the nsa still hasn t been able to cite a single instance where this bulk collection has saved one american life. if you look at the court decisions, they say that there s no evidence this bulk collection program has been effective and really is a mass surveillance of americans with very little to gain. and i think we need to start from the bottom up and scrap the patriot act and rebuild something that protects liberty and security. representative ted lieu, thanks for your time tonight. still ahead, two major victories for gun rights activists in texas. and clearer skin. this is my body of proof that i can fight psoriatic arthritis from the inside out. with humira. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to both joint and skin symptoms. it s proven to help relieve pain, stop further joint damage and clear skin in many adults. doctors have been prescribing humira for nearly 10 years. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers including lymphoma have happened, as have blood, liver and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you ve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you ve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don t start humira if you have an infection. visit humira.com and talk to your rheumatologist. humira. this is a body of proof! i can t find my discover card! wait, i can freeze my account. 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get out. read the constitution. read the constitution. all right, representative, good to have you here. your reaction to what appears to be a victory for the same forces that have somewhat controversially i think organized to lobby you and your colleagues. well, i think the campus carry is not as black and white as you may have described it earlier in the segment. i think the implementation of it is going to be left up to the local administrations, to the chancellors of the perspective systems, to the presidents of each university that i think will limit the places where people can conceal carry on public university grounds. but on the open carry front, i ve within following this legislative session in texas, and it seems like you guys have been occupied primarily with two things a very big drawn out nasty budget fight about spending caps and the like and basically, a gun agenda right? largely driven by these open carry activists that whatever they have done that might cross the line in terms of appearing intimidating, particularly in that clip has appeared to be to me as an outsider as effective. i mean, it works. it scared a great majority of the house to vote in favor of open carry. you re not wrong, chris. that type of tactic, it literally opened up the door to the lieutenant governor s office not more than a few days after that same gentleman that is in the video clip threatened to kill each and every one of us for being treasonous. so this tactic is working. it s a disgrace that it s work, but it s working. you know one of the there s an interesting quirk here that 44 states already allow open carry. texas is one that has a restriction on this. the texas open carry people say how can it be the case that we here in texas of all places have more restrictive gun laws than all these other states some of which are considerably more liberal. and my understanding is the history of this actually goes back to not wanting to allow essentially confederates to ride around with open guns. after that a fear that african-americans would be appearing with open guns. there s an interesting history to this law in texas. you know, what s funny is a lot of people that you may see in that clip and a lot of people that follow those folks use a lot of racist rhetoric in attacking me after the fact yet they choose to bootstrap this point of view that open carry should be allowed because it was, in fact instituted for racist purposes back at the turn of the century or a little bit before. it s kind of an odd situation where they re harkening back to those days in order to justify why we need it now. do you think there this will be essentially a model for model gun activists in other states since this relatively small but incredibly persistent vocal and at times intimidating group has been as you said, effective in pushing this? 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partly that. as wes says, local media outlets are a source for areas we don t find ourselves. traditional reporting is needed. we found five people who were never publicly named. we found that shocking. we found five people, three in texas, two in california. they were just never reported. and they died in police custody. not in police custody. it was noted inhey were never named. we think that just shows that these figures and the information about how these people died and who they were are sorely needed. i want to talk about racial disparity. what atlanta it out me here you have people a certain kind of skeptic who says look, yes, you guys are focusing on african-americans but there there are white people shot by cops, as well and also you would expect some disparity because the criminal justice system is racially disparate in general, right? police encounters are racially disparate in general. but what we see is a distinction between the broad amount of encounters, so in the case of the washington post shootings and then unarmed shootings, right? and that same disparity shows up and that is an unexplained disparity but for some kind of racial suspicion, racial bias, et cetera, right? i think what the figures show is we definitely need this had sort of data before we can have this discussion abouting whether certain police forces are racist black people hispanic people are unfairly targeted. there s no way this debate could be had if there aren t official data, official statistics on who and why people are dying. having covered this, did those numbers surprise you the disparity between the sort of overall racial breakdown of people who were shot by police and those shot who were unarmed? they didn t quite surprise me, certainly stuck out to me. certainly one of the top line numbers here and it seems to underscore and validate some of the concerns. as john said without the official data, we re trying to do the best we can doing through traditional reporting means relying on other reports. what we know is we re missing some cases. we know that. and without the official data it s hard to do these comparisons. a secondary in terms of speaking to the racial disparities, one thing we also looked at was how these encounters were initiated and what happened immediately precipitated the shooting. the other thing we noticed in the if you were to compare the white armed universe to the black armed universe in more cases, a higher percentage of the cases, a white armed suspect is shooting at the officers engaging the officer while a black or hispanic suspect is in fact more likely to be running away even if they have a gun or a knife. those are impossible to do at the highest level unless we have real official data we can really rely on. what also stuck out to me the vast majority of people are armed, right, in these cases, and it is a reminder, right, that police in america encounter lots of people with guns all the time. we are obviously focusing on the people unarmed for very obvious reasons and legitimate reasons, but it is a reminder about the percentage just the amount, the prevalence of guns in america and how often police officers is encounter them. i think that s right. if you look at our database if you look at the stories of people who died some of them are pretty bad guys. there are armed people, there are massive drug operations going on that police encounter where they are shot at, are facing these dangerous situations, if they are going to be armed, then they re going to fire back. i think there is a lot in these databases for the law enforcement to like. why wouldn t they want the general public to know that the vast majority of people who are killed in encounters are armed themselves? for obvious reasons the cases that catch the eye, that catch the attention of the media, are cases where people were unarmed, are controversial cases where perhaps the law enforcement officer was not justified. these sorts ofs of data could tell the police side of the story, as well. we want to just know, right? we want to know what the facts are, whatever political prism they could run through. the other thing that jaumped out at me was 24% of victims identified as mentally ill. this is something that keeps cropping up in cases of people both armed and unarmed where you have someone who is very clearly mentally ill and it s absolutely heart breaking whether independent of whether it s justified in the moment or not, it just feels like we re failing these people. of course. that s, in fact, something many police chiefs have pointed out to me over the course of months i ve talked with them. the idea how they are the types of people they re having to deal with, the social ills, whether it be drugs, whether it be mental illness. in fact, according to our findings so far this year police in the united states have killed more suicidal people than they have homicide suspects and it tells you, it talks about the people police officers are interacting with. and it may be how the training could change or potentially what types of preparedness they need before they enter these situations. great thanks. that is all for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts now. [ thanks for staying with us thanks to you at home for staying with us for this hour. happy monday. we have a lot a lot coming up tonight. we have a cops and robbers style caper that is under way in at least one state, maybe a couple of states. we ve got a surprising development in the already really surprising former speaker of the house denny hastert criminal case. we re going to have that story for you in just a moment. we have some historic cultural and civil rights news to talk about tonight. some astonishing news about bernie sanders blowing everyone s minds in a good way. so there s a lot going on. a lot coming up on the show tonight. we start tonight with what i like to think of as our little organizational management problem. the known universe of 19 major candidates or potential candidates for the republican nomination for president. this is our working this is not even a list. it s our working thing we put up on the wall during the day to keep these people straight. the red squares show folks who
medal olympian. he was a national hero. and now he s transitioned from bruce jenner to a woman named caitlyn jenner taking a star turn on the cover of vanity fair. now she says her newest challenge is moving the public to accept her true identity and maybe building acceptance for a lot of other people along the way. the whole nation is talking about this magazine cover tonight. and today, vanity fair released this intimate video showing some of how it was made. i was probably at the games because i was running away from a lot of things. very, very proud of the accomplishment. the last few days of doing this shoot was about my life and who i am as a person. it s not about the fanfare, it s not about people cheering in the stadium. it s not about going down the street, everybody getting you atta boy, bruce pat on the back. this is about your life. bruce always had to tell a lie. he was always living that lie. every day, he always had a secret from morning until night. she doesn t have any secrets. as soon as the vanity fair cover coming out, i m free. that is really something. and a lot of people have been watching. there has been tremendous interest in meeting the new free caitlyn today. within hours, broke the record for the fastest person to hit a million followers on that site. she just noted that milestone by sending a new message saying, another jenner world record and at 65? who would have thought. she took that record from president obama. and she happened to hear from him today as well. his account posting a message that read, it takes courage to share your story. in that new article, jenner explains it s a story she struggled to tell for decades. and reaching this point was essential for growth not for attention. she says i m not going this to be interesting she says i m doing this to live. let s get right to it. joining us now is perez hilton celebrity blogger. president of the harvey foundation and dr. bowers. good evening to all of you. i m excited to have this conversation. a lot of times in the news we talk about very familiar things. stewart, let me start with you. what does this mean to people within caitlyn s community and to the rest of america? it s visibility. and visibility and telling a story and knowing the process that someone went through to their own self acceptance is very powerful. it harkens back to my uncle s old message of you must be authentic, you must remove those masks. you know caitlyn looks absolutely amazing. you could sense in the article the confidence and the freedom. it s something that many people who are lgbt but people who are different, different than the mainstream feel all the time. freedom to be themselves. freedom to not have to put a gender that they didn t feel they were born with on or to live a certain way that didn t conform to associate. you know this is a very important and it is a historic moment because it moves us forward. but i do think we have to remember that there are all kinds of society norms around the world. for my transgender brothers and sisters, there s still a tremendous battle ahead. this is one step in a direction of visibility which does change the game. well, stewart, i think you put your finger on it. we asked people to be authentic, to be honest, but we live in a culture that so punishes many of those values if expressed. it s the ultimate dilemma for people in these situations. i want to play a little more from ms. jenner as she was speaking about this and about lies. take a listen. bruce, always telling a lie. he s lived a lie his whole life about who he is. and i can t do that any longer. can i take my pony tail out? yeah why not, huh? what did you think of that moment perez? i was so moved by that. earlier this evening, i went to a benefit for the gay lesbian straight education network. studies show that the turmoil of keeping a secret for young lgbt students in schools is worse than any outside harassment they might fear. so bruce jenner has dealt with this his whole life. and in the 80s, he tried to transition. he s been struggling with this forever. now today, it s not just visibility but it s also opening minds and hearts. i experienced this firsthand at the gym talking to some guys there making fun of bruce jenner. what were they saying? first, they were showing around the photo to other people at the gym not saying it was bruce jenner or caitlyn jenner and then they were revealing. the reactions weren t accepting. uh-huh. today s the water shed moment. today is like in the 90s when ellen degeneres came out and said i m a lesbian. now everybody knows caitlyn as well. i want to read from her in the article saying i was terrified of being discovered earlier on in the 80s. she was not at a point in her life where she said she was comfortable with herself. who would want to be dealing with all these issues. from a medical standpoint how are people supposed to navigate that? well, i think it s important for the public to know that this isn t something that is a decision that s made willingly. and she points this out throughout her story is that, you know, this is something that she struggled with. and previously we thought of it as a psychological issue. but we know now with its onset being so very early in life for the vast majority of people that it s something that s clearly biological. it s hard wired and it s who we are. how do we know it s biological in that sense, doctor? well, it s mostly it s impeer call evidence but there s also some hard measures, brain scans that show that transgender persons look like their counterparts. in other words, they look like the people they aspire to be in terms of their gender. so their brains look similar. but beyond that the empirical evidence, you see this in young children, they ve felt this way their entire lives. they come out, you know shortly after birth and say to their parents, mommy, i m a boy, or daddy, i m a girl. and despite not having matching genitalia. and they re very convinced of this. and it doesn t go away. so in spite of efforts to normalize and put people in very neat gender boxes, male or female, it s very difficult to do this. and after all, in nature where but in gender are there only two choices? stewart, speak to that, what dr. bowers is calling putting people in boxes. there is that element of this, when we look at social change and interestingly, this article says look this is the most remarkable story i have ever worked on in 38 years as a journalist. it was initially weird. and anyone who says it isn t weird is giving themselves far too much credit. do you agree? well, you know this is this is one of the lgbt community s biggest challenges which is to embrace the courage of our trans brothers and sisters when they do make that decision. this has been for caitlyn a half century process. and, you know, she was in the public eye. so that presents both opportunities and challenges but we have a lot of we have the most of our trans brothers and sisters are not in the public eye. don t have the resources economically to necessarily do the procedures and the process to transition. so we have a lot of those challenges going on. so there is a box. and not everyone is going to meet the standard of a gender identity when they transition. so i have trans brothers and sisters around the world, they all look different, they re all beautiful to me. the important thing is we have to get to the point where we accept the differences that people have and embrace that and nourish that from a young age. the issue really is that we punish male-born persons who show femininity far worse than we do females who show masculinity. that comes out time and again throughout her story and those who feel weird about it in any way. and dr. bowers i want to ask if you can hear me being feminine specifically though for folks who do want to learn about this which is it s not a light switch that turns off and on and it s not determined solely by whether someone has a certain physical operation? well, that s true. a surgery does not make the individual male or female. and i point out that if you think about it when you pass a stranger on the street, when is the last time you knew with 100% certainty what that person s genitalia looked like? so i mean in certain cases that may be true. but the fact is that we make assumptions but one another s genitalia every single day. thank you so much for joining us. very interesting to get your insights. coming up, ms. jenner had some major doubts about her transition. we re going to talk to the counselling agency that personally addressed her concerns and how families and communities react to these transitions. also tonight, senator al franken talks about the patriot act reform bill he wrote. and why he and rand paul are not on the same page. then a look at tracy morgan s first interview since the crash that took his friend s life and nearly ended him. an inspiring glimpse of our nbc colleague. i love comedy and i wonder how i m going to be funny again remembering my identity what do i do. and the fans let me know we can t wait for you to come back. can you pick me up at 6:30? 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you can never do this right. okay? there s just there s no right way to do this. for more on the family and social challenge, here we re joined by a clinical services director for the los angeles jenner center, wade davis, executive director of you can play and perez hilton still with us. let s me start with you and read a little more from the article we ve been discussing tonight. talks about caitlyn having this panic attack lasting about 16 seconds. what did i just do what did i just do to myself. a counselor came over to the house so caitlyn could talk with someone. the counselor helped ease her mind. she said such reactions were often induced by pain medication and is usually human and temporary. in a general sense, how does that type of counselling work and how does it help people who decide they want to do this even with those kind of family pressures we just showed? well, as you said i am speaking in general terms. i have not counselled caitlyn or her family. i think the thing to realize is that it is a transition process for the transgender person and the family. so there s many emotional ups and downs for the transgender person who s been maybe dealing with this for decades. when they finally come out, there is usually a sense of relief. but it doesn t mean that they re not in fear of losing their family or the love and support of their family. you know just dealing with how the world will respond to them. so i think having doubts along the way could come up and be a very natural part of the process. yeah. and this is not any average family. that s part of why there s so much attention on it. we ve seep the messages today. the photographer, how beautiful, be happy, be proud, live life your way. kourtney kardashian tweeting, freedom, stunning. and tweeting we were given this life because you were strong enough to live it. couldn t be prouder. obviously you can be supportive and still have to go through your open difficulty as a family member. i mean this is new for them. it s new for bruce as well. there s no textbook manual of how to come out as transgender. i m getting caught up because i ve been so engrained and used to seeing bruce. today, we have a name. like caitlyn said, now she s free. and it s really just it s amazing. wade in your experience does it matter much if somebody s original identity is further at odds or intentioned. we ve talked about sports has been separate from transgender. gay athletes has been one of the last areas to really have progress on this. yeah, you know, i think one of the big things that we have to kind of do is take a step back and reimagine what caitlyn did. caitlyn is now inviting us in. she s inviting us into her personal life. and it s really beautiful to be able to, you know kind of reimagine her. we ve all known her as an amazing athlete, parent and reality star. now we can get to know the intimate sides of her. i think she s our shero. her sports accomplishments aren t diminished at all. but maureen, i guess what i m partially getting at is it almost easier for people who aren t in the family or inner circle, because then if you want to be tolerant and open minds, you say great, i ll go along with it. it seems there s a legitimate difficulty with people who are family or friends. if they say so. i want to play another clip here from keeping up with the kardashians. which isn t something we do on the news all that much. but it s relevant tonight. i m not mad at your process of you wanting to live your life. i m not. what i was mad about is feeling like you were robbing me of like having the opportunity to like let go on my own. when you re doing like your big serious surgery, you can t just do that and then i come over one day and true. produce is gone. it s not that you re doing it. i m mad that you weren t tells us. what duke of that? i think there s been so many years where caitlyn had to pretend who she was. so there was many years of not being honest. but now she is letting her family know the truth. but i think it s really difficult for a family or people close to a transgender person to get used to the idea. initially, it s shocking. and as i think as some of the kids and his ex-wife said there s a feeling of almost like a death. but it really it does feel that way. there s the loss of the way you thought of the person and the idea of this person that you re related to. but fortunately with time, and it seems like it s happened in the case of caitlyn s family they can come around and realize that the person is still there. they have lost the idea of what they had, but the real person is there and hopefully they can have a closer and more deep relationship with the authentic person that she is. yeah, i think the most important thing is compassion for even. not just for caitlyn, but also kris jenner. what she s going through must be so hard. i ve seen people criticizing her on twitter today for not commenting on the cover. compassion is the key and compassion for everybody. and wade what do you think of the sort of the discussion here about honesty? it s very hard to do a lot of compare and contrast but someone who might have a private lifestyle or choice of happening to be gay seems a little different here than the transition process, right? at a bottom line can people look at this and say when you make this choice that doesn t mean you re automatically dishonest up to the choice if you re living in a society that doesn t necessarily create the space for it. wade? exactly. i would say that 90% of lgbt individuals will tell you the reason why they weren t open about their sexuality or their gender identity is because the world wasn t safe, right? caitlyn, i would imagine that if the world had showed her a different side of it, if there wasn t sexism and transphobia, it would have created the opportunity and the space for her to own her identity much, much earlier. i think what her family is experiencing is a form of an actual death. compassion is a two-way street. as much compassion as they re showing caitlyn, caitlyn has to also show that compassion back to her family and also to have time. time for healing, time for understanding, but also time to learn. i think lastly i would say that it s not just caitlyn s responsibility to educate the public or the world right? it s like there s a burden of responsibility that we often place on transgender people. uh-huh. i mean yeah, it s fascinating and people want to do the right thing, are still learning. a lot of conversations clearly around the country all over the internet today. thank you all for joining us tonight. next, i m going to go one on one with senator al franken about what happens now that part of the patriot act expired. i m going to ask him about that growing democratic field for 2016. can you spot the difference? no? you can t see that? alright, let s take a look. the one on the right just used 1% less fuel than the one on the left. now, to an airline a 1% difference could save enough fuel to power hundreds of flights around the world. hey, look at that. pyramids. so you see, two things that are exactly the same have never been more different. ge software. get connected. get insights. get optimized. if you can t put a feeling into words, why try? at 62,000 brush movements per minute philips sonicare leaves your mouth with a level of clean like you ve never felt before. innovation and you. philips sonicare. you probably know xerox as the company that s all about printing. but did you know we also support hospitals using electronic health records for more than 30 million patients? 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what changed in terms of this usa freedom act versus the patriot act? yeah, and why you opposed renewing the patriot act at one point. why have so many colleagues of yours in the senate come along to this view? i opposed it because there was no transparency really in it. so the american people had no way of judges whether there was the right balance being struck between protecting people s privacy, which is obviously very important, and also making sure that our national security was protected. and that s why i voted against these authorities in the first place. and i along with dean heller republican from nevada put in transparency provisions that will let americans know how many people are caught up in this data how many people s data has been taken. but very importantly, how much how many americans and how many people have been looked at. and that is important. also we ve released listed gag order on companies like google and verizon because they were losing business because they could not they weren t allowed to say how many how much of their information had been asked for and now they now they ll be able to do that. yeah, a lot of what your language in the bill would do is basically give us some kind of ballpark estimate. this isn t super secret security information. it just says the number of people whose info was collected, the number of searches run on americans already in these databases. why do you think the nsa has resisted providing that? do you have any idea what the range could be? i think it will be much smaller number of people whose data has been queried and looked at. it will be much smaller. but in terms of you know, the phone companies now will be collecting this data as they always have. and there will be much more narrow authorities for the nsa much more targeted to get that information if they have a reasonable suspicion that somebody is involved in terrorist activity. in terms of what you re fighting for, senator rand paul and you have been here on the same side of pushing beyond just renewing a straight pat jot act. he said of course a whole range of comments and then over the weekend. i want to play the one that s gotten a lot of controversy of course. let s listen to this. people here in town think i m making a huge mistake. some of them i think secretly want there to be an attack on the united states so they can blame it on me. if you re on the same side right now on this bill we aren t. we aren t. we aren t on the same side. he s against the usa freedom act as well. and i think that was regrettable that he said that. i heard it when he said it. i i was kind of astonished and saddened by that. he s walked it back. on the freedom act, she wants to go even farther. you ve both been critics of how the patriot act is being applied. yes, yes. as i said i voted against the these authorities when when it came up and because we lack the lack the transparency and that s why i ve been working on these transparency provisions for a number of years now. and senator heller and i joined up and wrote the provisions that are in are in this will. you saw that the house passed it overwhelmingly. you know we re i m sure in a day or two, going to be passing it in the senate. it s too bad. we could have done this over a week ago. and i think mitch mcconnell for whatever reason, misplayed this. and what do you say to the criticism, though, senator, that the nsa has seemingly misled or kept secret a lot of their operations? as you know a federal court recently finding that much of this program was unauthorized essentially saying that you guys congress never explicitly okayed it so it shouldn t have been going on in the first place. so if going back to the nsa asking them to tell us more about their activities why should we believe them in the future? that s why the transparency. and what the second circuit said was illegal is this bulk metadata program that we re getting rid of. in terms of the wider politics it is extraordinary to see how much change there is. we talked about rand paul on the republican side. on the democratic side hillary clinton and you have different positions. she did vote for a straight renewal of the patriot act. do you think she needs to be move or democrats running for president should be moving on this issue given what we know now? i m sure she ll be asked about this. i m quite certain that that she would support the usa freedom act as it is written right now. but i don t want to speak for her. and do you think with bernie sanders running right now, do you think there needs to be some sort of democratic push on hillary and on sort of having a progressive primary, if you will? or you think she s good to go and democrats should line up behind her? well, i support hillary for president. i think she d make a great president. but good for bernie. bernie had several thousand people out in minnesota, in my state, the other day. and he is raising issues that need to be raised about income inequality, about college affordability, about social security, medicare early childhood education. he s talking about things that we need to be talking about. and i say good for bernie. quickly, last question senator, does anything that we saw happen in the rather unusual session this weekend and mitch mcconnell having to move around do you have anymore optimism that now there s a way for bipartisanship at the grass roots to override what mcconnell might have as his plan a. i think his plan a is gone and we re going to plan b. it s it s the usa freedom act and that will be he already went to plan b. he abandoned plan a and we re at plan b. there you go. plan b it is. thank you for spending some time with us. you bet. all right. and coming up another day, another republican announcing a run for president. we have more on yes, lindsey graham s announcement. and nearly one year after a crash that almost took his life a very emotional tracy morgan broke his silence today along with his fiancee who s been at his side this entire time. you do all this research on the perfect car. gas mileage , horse power. torque ratios. three spreadsheets later you finally bring home the one. then smash it into a tree. your insurance company s all too happy to raise your rates. maybe you should ve done a little more research on them. for drivers with accident forgiveness liberty mutual won t raise your rates due to your first accident. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. start the interview with a firm handshake. ay,no! don t do that! try new head & shoulders instant relief. it cools on contact, and also keeps you 100% flake free. try new head & shoulders instant relief. for cooling relief in a snap. audible safety beeping audible safety beeping audible safety beeping the nissan rogue with safety shield technologies. the only thing left to fear is you imagination. nissan. innovation that excites. this allergy season, will you be a sound sleeper, or a mouth breather. well, put on a breathe right strip and instantly open your nose up to 38% more than allergy medicines alone. so you can breathe and sleep. shut your mouth and sleep right. breathe right. 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i m doing well. you heard al franken lay it out there. first and foremost is this part of a good democratic primary process and does hillary clinton underestimate bernie sanders or do you see him as a candidate with a ceiling? i certainly wouldn t say that. i ve known him for a long time. his whole career s been about economic, social justice. mostly economic justice for working people. so that happens to be the biggest issue i think on the page for both parties. when rick santorum declared for president of the united states and starts talking about middle class people and social economic justice, it s pretty good clue that everybody s going to be talking about this. and bernie s better at it than most. and governor o malley s hitting it too. i think it s fair to say your career shows that you can have a perception as a governor in office, you did many things considered that and then go out and run for president. people might perceive you as more liberal. perceptions come and go. governor o malley had been battling the idea that he is maybe changing and going hard left. let me play to your point what he said in his announcement about goldman sachs. true story. goldman sachs, goldman sachs is one of the biggest repeat investment banks in america. recently, the ceo of goldman sachs let his employees know that he d be just fine with either bush or clinton. i d bet he would. number one and you know governor o malley, do you believe him that he cares about this and thinks that clinton would be bad on wall street in a way that he would be better. and number two what is the clinton response to that? i don t know what the clinton response to that. if i were hillary clinton i wouldn t have a response to that right now. why bother? well, i wouldn t say that. because i like martin o malley a lot. i think he s a terrific governor and really good mayor. the problem that both bernie and martin o malley have is that hillary clinton is running a really good campaign and talking about the same issues they are in terms of college educations that are debt-free, early childhood which she has a lock on, she s been working on that her entire career. this is going to be a contest of three people who are going to sound somewhat alike. bernie s going to be more straightened. but they re all three going to sound roughly the same. in that case the tide goes to hillary clinton. who knows. anything can happen in politics. o malley was a really good governor and got a lot of good stuff done. so i think this can be interesting. i think hillary has to watch out. if she takes this for granted, she s not going to win it. she s gotten off to a good start. i want to quickly show the newest republican in the race. we try to keep track here. lindsey graham talking about radical islam running while. that s part of what he wants to run on. let s take a look. simply put, radical islam is running wild. they have more safe havens, more money, more capability and more weapons to strike our homeland than any time since 9/11. they are large, they are rich they re entrenched. as president, i will make them small, poor, and on the run. is this a strong argument for republicans to make against whoever the democratic nominee is going to be? 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what s up with the scarf? a lot of folks will go we are celtics. let s stop the insanity. we got the manager of the celtics team going to school with the bodyguard. i m wearing a scarf. i am a celtic. let s stop the madness. it is a bloody game. this is weird because the rangers play hockey and the celtics play basketball. i don t understand what is going on. i like that attitude. i do. let s get back to that level. where can our viewers catch you? stewart? sorry? where can our viewers catch you? what did he say again? you have to hurry up. i had people talking in my ear. 9:twenty eastern bonnie and company. why 9:20? fun show. this time slot and we thank you. bill: the o reilly factor from l.a. is on. tonight: when i went through the process of becoming press secretary, one of the first things they told me was: you are not even to acknowledge the drone program. a stunning admission by former obama spokesman robert gibbs that he was not to tell the american people about drone attacks on suspected terrorists. that s not sitting well with jon stewart. did it bother you, mr. gibbs? did it bother you? we ll get to the bottom of this very intense story. i think that the administration is trying to play games with the american people, scare the american people. this is not leadership. reports are because of the budget mess, some illegal aliens are being let out of detention. some border patrol will be furloughed, and airline security may be compromised. do you believe all of that? we ll have the inside story. and a big new mini series on the bible begins on sunday. we ll talk with producers roma downey and mark burnett. bill: also tonight from california, dennis miller on the oscars. caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone from los angeles. the factor begins right now. bill: i m bill o reilly, thanks for watching us tonight. does the president of the united states have an obligation to tell us the truth. that is the subject of this evening s talking points memo. you may remember that when president obama took office, his theme was a change from politics as usual. mr. obama promising he would be a leader we could trust. let me say this as simply as i can. transparency and the rule of law will be the touch stones of this presidency. bill: okay. the president went on the record back then and many americans believed him. but now we have a very embarrassing situation for barack obama. his former press secretary robert gibbs recently said this: when i went through the process of becoming press secretary, one of the things one of the first things they told me was you are not even to acknowledge the drone program. you are not even to discuss that it exists. but here is what is crazy about that proposition. you are being asked a question based on reporting of a program that exists. bill: now, the drone program has been very successful in degrading al qaeda and other terrorists there is no question about that. it s a necessary tool to win the war on terror. however, the american people have a right to know what is being done in their name. not specifics but the general philosophy of combat operations. president obama chose to deceive the american people on that front but the left will not make a big deal of this, again, because the president can do no wrong in their eyes. in dana perino had said publicly that president bush had ordered her not to give information about an important program, it would have been a front page story in the new york times and every other liberal paper in the country. one of the few left leaning guys who did take notice of what gibbs said was my pal jon stewart who asked this question about gibbs. can we trust him? when you were working as press secretary. you were drones. other u.s. officials have confirmed these predator drone strikes. i m not going to get into. operational. i m not going to get into these matters. drone strike killed 8 germans in pakistan today. do you have any information about that? i don t. and if i did, if i did, i wouldn t get into it. here is a a tip for aspiring truth spoofs out there. i didn t know anything about that and even if i did i wouldn t tell you. [ laughter ] that person knows something about that. did it bother you, mr. gibbs? did it bother you? bill: like him or not, stewart is an honest man. that s what we the people should demand not only from our commentators but also from our president. let s bring in another man so he tells me. co-host of the five bob beckel. this is pretty devastating to president obama, i think, is it not. not even close to being deficit stating. what gibbs said was exactly right. he was told not to talk with something that was a top secret operation and he didn t. now he says it s a little bit strange that the story was reported and i have to stand up there and say i can t talk about it a lot of stories reported about a lot of things the united states government needs to do and keep quiet. every time it s reported you have to sit out there and say okay i m going to break a top secret story. that s ridiculous. of course he is not going to do that. all right. do you remember the vietnam war? do you remember that, beckel? very well. yeah. do you remember all the press in america combing south vietnam trying to find out about napomon. all of that was lie niced by the press. that he was the way the press should be. we should aggressively find out what s being done in the name of the personal people. you have are taking the other approach right now sounding like some right wing guy saying you know what? we can do whatever we want and the people are no right to know anything. taking overall. here is the difference of what you are talking about here. in vietnam, you are waging i was concerned illegal war based on illegal attack on or myth call attack on an american ship. you, bob beckel said it was illegal so therefore it is. come on, bob. i m talking about a time in history when the press was being inencouraged to do this and now the liberal press sits back and accepts it. you know, i don t agree with that for a second there has been more reporting on drones than virtually any other policy in this administration. you think the press set back, which they did, when george bush s administration decided to waterboard people? of course they did. bill: no. it was on every show in the world people were screaming about it. i don t want to get into the hypocrisy situation. this is a represent toler toler transparency. now, tell me what s wrong with this. i m robert gibbs. and i go out and i say to the press corps. we are using drones to attack the enemy. we are doing it in a very secret way because obviously that s what has to happen. i m not going to give you any specifics about what we do and when we do it but i will tell that you drone warfare is in play. do you object to that bob beckel. that s not a bad formulation. bill: thank you, honest man. wait, wait, wait. you say okay, that s not a bad way to handle it good, i m glad. so we agree. so then you have because i m no genius, all right in. you wouldn t know from listening to you. bill: you figure they could pick that up. they say to gibbs you know what? you are not going to say anything no matter what they ask is you. i m saying to you, beckel, that is dishonest because it s not right for the american people not to know generally what is being done in their name. we are paying for the drones, beckel. i understand royale, here is the point. the fact is it was a program that was secret it was being effectively done. i said i gave you some credit, which is a big leap for me. to say that your formulation was not a bad formulation. that doesn t mean that you ought to get in the details of these things. you shouldn t get into the details. bill: i would object to that, too. we again. transparency, by the way. you one president come in not talked about being transparent. i can t think one in the last 20 years who hasn t used that formulation. bill: nobody made as big a deal about it as barack obama did. he is going to be transparent and different isn t true. it isn t true. depends ons who eyes you are looking at it through. everyone that goes into that white house has to write down their names get out to the press. in the bush administration dick cheney had secret meetings with oil company executives. you didn t complain about that did you? bill: yes, i did. as a matter of fact i did. you did? i m glad to hear that o reilly. that s an honest man. bill: i m a fair man and did i complain about it you lost that debate. next on the run down. i didn t lose that debate. easy. bill: more deception by the media this time about government spending. later, media on the academy awards presentation and an ad, an advertisement that was banned. that should be interesting. and the factor is coming right back from southern california as we continue all across the u.s.a. and all around the world. bill: in the impact segment tonight, if you were listening to the news today, some outlets reported on a couple of new polls that show more americans disapproving of the way republicans are handling federal spending than the president? abc news poll for example says 52% of us believe president obama is handling the issue poorly. but a whopping 67% of the folks say the republicans are handling the federal spending badly. wow. but upon examination there is little distortion out of the three following options. what do you favor congress doing? 14% favor automatic spending cuts 39% of americans want more cuts in spending 37% say fewer cuss. the reason americans have lower spending than the president is many conservatives don t believe the g.o.p. congress can cutting enough. fascinating. joining us now from new york, radio talk show host mike gallagher and leslie marshall fox news analyst. you see how the see how the press kind of spun, this. no. depends. few weeks ago pew research say that americans say look, you have got to reduce spending and reduce the deficit. what do they say same outlet pew research don t cut anything but money we are sending overseas. just a little bit. bill: i think this wall street journal poll is accurate, gallagher. i think it s 39 want more cuts in spending. 37% don t want any. and then the other ones are kind of like well, we don t really know and da da da da. if you were to listen to the news reports, clearly they say oh more people are favoring the president s plan. you know, it s all about spin and deception. it just bothers me. now, leslie, why, in your crew, your crew, leslie, your tribe, all right? these liberal people, why do they not see the danger of looming bankruptcy? it s not that they don t see the danger of looming bankruptcy and i don t think that mike and i are necessarily totally that far apart nor left or right. everybody knows that we have to reduce spending. bill: 37% of americans say they don t want to. when we do it. yeah. because like you said the other day, he they want their stuff. i agree with you. bill: 37% who don t want to reduce spending. you said everybody what about them? the people that do want to reduce spending. i think both left and right that s what americans send our representatives in washington to do. but disagree. let s take tax loopholes, okay? bill: leslie, you are confusing. let gallagher try. do you want all americans want to reduce spending. that s in the democrats d.n.a. i don t know how to spell cuts. bill: you are saying gallagher leslie sees the danger of looming bankruptcy you disagree with that. absolutely i disagree with that president obama doesn t know how to cut spending. doesn t want to cut spending. figuring out every way he can he wants to increase spending. is he making that very very clear. bill: no doubt about that there is no doubt that he doesn t want to cut spending. i want to get back to the folks, gallagher. you are a right wing guy and you make a living pounding obama into pudding, that s what you do. we don t need to do that tonight. that s fine. bill: have you americans, 37% according to this poll, anybody, anybody seeing a 17 trillion-dollar debt that we can t possibly pay off, all right? borrowing billions of dollars a month, would say, you know, this is reckless. but 37% of americans apparently don t see it as reckless. bill, what they don t want and you have said it over and over again, americans crave their stuff. i mean, you cannot break it s impossible to break this sense of entitlement. bill: let the country burn like in the romans and neuro s time. as long as. bill: they are willing to let the country burn so they can get a few more entitlements. that s what you are telling me? this is what the republican leadership is failing to point out. of course that s what it is. i talk to people every day. bill: that s what romney said but romney put it at a very high rate. do you disagree with that. first of all i think it s funny that mike is quoting me quoting you about americans and their stuff. when eisenhower spoke about a military complex isn t that what we have? we are not in a cold war we have two wars ending. bill: with all due respect i don t want you veering off of this. answer the question. 37% of americans simply want the spending madness and that s what it is to continue. do you understand the mentality? i actually do. is it is based on who you are going to hurt. if you look at head start. if you look at the elderly vs. tax loopholes which effect huge corporations, big oil, rich people they don t perceive as being a hurt to those individuals. this is all the left can do is go back to the tax loopholes to beat up corporations. you are not acknowledging, leslie 37% of americans who don t seem to care if america is going to go down the tubes as long as they continue to get their entitlements. entitlement mentality suffocating this country until we grow up and bite the bullet and realize you are not going to get anything more it s going to continue. bill: yesterday we reported i only have a minute so i need a pithy comment from both of you. i know that s hard but listen, leslie. 19% of hispanic americans that s all, want basic self-reliance. the others want big government and entitlements. i was shocked at that. well, if you look at hispanic community. yeah. and you look at unemployment. and you look at what many of them perceive as discrimination that they face. bill: they see themselves as victims. they do see themselves victimized. bill: leslie just hit it gallagher. a lot of people see themselves as victims and say where is mine? i m a victim, give me money. temporarily. a lot of hard working hispanics in america to be sure. there is a lot of hispanics who are as we know sneaking across the border. drawn to the great big welfare state. bill: i think those sneaking across the border are harder workers. anybody that would take the risk to sneak across the border to take a job i would hire them if it s legal. still going to the emergency room. bill: i don t know if that poll is accurate that poll disturbed me. gallagher. all right, guys. bill: leslie, directly ahead thousands of illegal immigrants being released from detention because president obama says we don t have enough money to keep them in jail. is that true? carl cameron with the inside story moments away. washington beat segment tonight the department of homeland security set to release thousands of illegal aliens because of budget cuts and is the white house selling access to the president something mr. obama promised never to do. joining us from washington fox news chief political correspondent carl cameron. james rosen is traveling with john kerry. so tell me about the selling access allegation. this sounds very ominous, cammeron. well, and it s absolutely contrary to what he campaigned on five years ago. after his re-election last year. the president turned his campaign, which was then called obama for america into a new operation called organizing for action. both ache critical condition nimed ofa. shifted all the money from the campaign resources into this new operation to do social good. it s a 501 c 4 for those who care about it in the u.s. tax code. the goal was to coordinate it. nonprofit. can t be too owe overtly political. going to advance the obama agenda. this is a first because no president has actually had an external political operation while they were still in office. so it s controversial in that regard. but, more importantly, to encourage big donations aids reportedly discussed ways of offering access to the president for big contributions to the outside organization of a half a million dollars or more. that would be straight up crony capitalism that we really haven t seen since going back to the clinton gore era when they were investigated for representing out the lincoln bedroom for big huge donations to the democratic party. it s a big deal. no less than common cause which is one of the most prominent campaign finance watch groups in the country calling out the grass roots on the left to demand that the president shut down ofa and president go back to the drawing board. let s get facts from allegations. is the president and his staff offering access to him face-to-face access. what i heard was if you donate $500,000, half a million dollars you get to meet with the president monthly or every other month or something like that. is that happening? the white house says absolutely. no ofa isn t really talking about much of this reporting in the first place. do they talk about making the president accessible, getting together, perhaps, at a dinner or a luncheon and things like that? that s sort of the way this kind of big contribution to outside groups has worked ever since they tried to reform it back in the 1990s. it hasn t happened yet we re told. when the organization started. the idea they are even discussing it has members of congress want to investigate. this they say it s already looking like he is going to break his promise to be more transparent. bill: it would be untoward for the president of the united states to meet with people who give him money. no. department of homeland security janet napolitano s outfit are they releasing illegal aliens now because of the looming budget cuts? is that happening? well, the department of homeland security says they didn t actually know about this. they are laying it all at the feet of immigration customs enforcement. bill: ice comes under they come under the department of homeland security. under the umbrella of this was all done by them. it s true that some departments were instructed last year to start planning for the sequester and put together contingency plans to start the belt tightening early. congress says they weren t told about. this the white house says they didn t know about it even dhs. nobody knew, cammeron. nobody knew. some guy named ziggy, this is a tough one. it s happening now in like five states and so far it s only been a couple bill: is is it actually happening. yeah. bill: they let illegal immigrants out? it started this weekend. we are told these are not people who have r. suspected or accused of any other crimes it s just that they re illegal and ice is not dropping its case against them. they re just letting them go and pick it up when they have more money in the bank. this all plays into what s been a real criticism of the administration that they are trying to scare everybody. blogs have been lit up over the last couple of days, bill. both left and right sounds like the white house and the administration are doing this to try to put will public pressure on the republicans by scaring the public with it. bill: are you scared, cammeron? i am not. this sort of stuff. bill: you are not scared. another day before it actually begins to happen. if they don t come up with something, it s not going to happen immediately any wavment the layoffs furloughs don t happen until april and may. some of them don t happen over the next of the course of the five years. it s really $44 billion in this fiscal. bill: it s lunch money to these pinheads. i m glad you are not scared cammeron. rosen would be scared. plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening from southern california. big new mini series on the bible set to begin on sunday. we ll talk to roma downey and mark burnett the producers. dennis miller on the oscar program and a tv ad that was banned from the telecast. hope you stay tuned to those reports. big new mini series called the bible set to begin on sunday on the history channel. who created you? lord! and joining us now from new york city, the executive producers of the bible downey and tv guy mark burnett. begin with you, is this a straight play on the scriptures you? are just interpreting the scriptures on the screen? listen, bringing the bible to the screen came with a huge responsibility and one that we took very seriously. we had a great team of and theologians helping us making sure that we told these stories accurately. and truthfully. i have been a believer my whole life and that was very very important to us. something else that we wanted to do was to make it really really cool. you know, we have teenagers at home and hard to get them radio-to-read anything and one of the goals here was to get this generation interested and excited about scripture. i think we have been able to achieve that. bill: when you say you are a believer, do you believe in the bible literally? do you believe that adam and eve were out there and the snake and the apple and all of that business? i do indeed. i believe the truth of the bible. that s what i was taught. it s been a wonderful, wonderful faith for me my whole life. i grew up in ireland. earliest memory is my father reading the bible to me sitting on his knee. and this was something that i had wanted to do and it s been wonderful to be able to work together with my husband. the good news is we are still speaking to each other. [ laughter ] bill: if i were you, i wouldn t talk to burnett because i know him and he is not you know, the guy is trouble. bill: all right, now, i want to examine look, a lot of the bible, mr. burnett is allegorical and we know that in creationism and things like that. so, what you are doing here, i assume, is just telling the story the way that the prophets put forth without any commentary in it; is that correct? exactly correct. right down the middle, the bible as written as five hours old testament, bill. five hours new testament. bill: now are you telling people that they should believe in adam and eve and they should believe in noah s arc. jonah and the whale? are you telling people this is the way to go. it s a great drama. it s a beautiful, beautiful expensive drama. and you feel the stories. people will believe what they want to believe. the worst thing would be trying to preach to people and tell them how to feel about these stories. people love these stories. and endorsements across all denominations of faith. it s epic. we love it. okay. now, ms. downey, i m writing a book killing jesus, about why jesus of nazareth was executed. it s a history book. but obviously the gospels that discuss this are were involved with that there are some contradictions among matthew, mark, luke and john. it s my job and martin dugard my co-author to cut through the contradictions and give a narrative of what happened to jesus because he was executed. when you were producing the bible. there were some things in the bible that are obviously allegorical as i just mentioned. did you take that into account? we worked from the position that the bible was a true story. we haven t taken a position on that except to bring the story to life. meaningfully. we have filmed the passion of jesus. we have taken it right through resurrection, the conversion of paul, and through to revelation. and that episode will be on easter sunday evening. and the 10 hours were shot entirely on location in morocco. we were over there from february until june of last year. and it has been an extraordinary journey to bring these stories to the screen. bill: it really is. mr. burnett you are going to get criticized, you know that by the secular progressives and they are going to say this is a bunch of propaganda and why are you doing this. how are you going to answer that criticism. we love the story. it s the most important book in the history of the world. amazing biblical ill literacy. i really believe the bible should be taught in public schools. it s embarrassing for americans go overseas. doing business in rio de janeiro and berlin and paris and not know who david and goliath were. it s embarrassing. bill: it is. certainly the scriptures both old and new testament have been played down in this country. all right. we re going to be looking for it. the bible, thanks for coming on. thank you. bill: come back from l.a. it will be miller time. dennis miller critiques the peta ad that was banned from oscars. miller is next. bill: thanks for staying with us, i m bill o reilly in the miller time segment tonight. let s get to the sage of southern california who joins us from santa barbara which is is 90 miles north of where we are in los angeles. so, miller, some thoughts on the academy awards. well, you know, first off, billy, i have to say nice interview with roma and mark, two of the nicest people in hollywood. very gracious hosts. i have to correct you. you are misusing the word allegorical. since the current tv sale to al jazeera allegorical means completely full of crap for money. there you go. bill: allegorical it s not al goreical. i m sorry. i had a bad connection. i didn t hear it it i was going to skip the oscars this year but i was in my office at home and i had the 24-hour-a-day the all barack obama channel on. and there it was right between her gardening show, obama momma and his in-house american band stand dance show obama rama there were the oscars. on our her way home last night she stop and sunk a mid court shot at halftime of the washington wizard game for $10,000 and they just announced him as one of the new cast members in dancing with the stars. it s a good day to be obama. you see photo ons of him in every single aspect of day-to-day live save say governance. i never see any of those shots. bill: you believe he might be a little overexposed? listen, hollywood used to fight the power. now they invite the power. okay? the first five rows of the oscars, if you did to them what they do to obama, they would call in a security expert because they are stocking the obamas at this point. bill: now, were you offended when michelle obama gave the best picture award out because that was engineered by harvey weinstein who is a big obama supporter and he doesn t. i m not offended. i m bored. can i get a night off from these people? [ laughter ] that s all i m saying. just one night, baby. that s all i m asking you. bill: watch a laker or clipper game. second half, right? oh my god. listen, i thought the oscars. i thought seth was pretty good. when they re all moaning and jokes about chris brown for god s sake. do you realize that all the cool kids, which is supposed to be the oscar crowd, they turned into the scolds. all the old hip centers are now the biggest squares you can t say anything in front of them. they are watching you all the time. and the best director of the year was there. classy dame. but for them to not put kathryn bigelow up because they didn t like somebody putting that shammy on that pig s face in that movie of hers, is crazy. they have become everything they made fun of on their way up in the 1970s. all those bonnie and collide movies, fight the power, don t give into the man. they are the man. they don t even realize it. all right. now, there was an ad. billy, you are down there this week. you watch because i worry about you sometimes. you dig that scene. but keep in mind. bill: i dig that scene? come on, miller. oh, billy. i saw you at the vanity fair thing the other night. bill: i had to go to that. that was a work thing. nobody has decried the show business from more red carpets than you, my friend. bill: i dodged the red carpet. i didn t walk on the red carpet. i went through the janitor entry. i m teasing you. bill: you are giving the wrong impression. there are people in hollywood who would take a ride on a private jet if you told them you were going to crash it into a canyon wall before you took off. bill: when i walked into that vanity fair party you should have seen the crosses whip out like this i i thought i was bella lagosi. daylight for the coffin. peta, one of your favorite organization, protection of animal people. they wanted to have an ad on the oscar show but the oscars said no. here it is. in water humans drown just as fish suffocate on land. it s slow and painful, frightening. and we do it to more than 1 trillion fish every year. put yourself in their place. try to relate. bill: now you can t even eat fish and with a queen phoenix is drowning. what is that all about. one thing grasping for air it s grasping at straws. this kid is a great actor. i thought him in the mouse trap i thought he was stunning. at the end of the day, what? what do i care that joaquin phoenix thinks about fishing. does he not realize that being rich and being visible and being famous. do you know what their fishing is recording psa ads about not fishing. all right? this is his hobby right there. most people go in and say hey, i would like to fake drowning because i don t like people fishing. what are you nuts? get out of here. a star comes in and says it, they get a budget gore gore for it what do i care about what he thinks about fishing? fine with me. bill: why do you think the academy wouldn t take the ad? i don t know. it s their night and they thought he was blowing it out his blow hole. bill: what are we supposed to eat miller? we can t eat anything anymore. what are we supposed to dine on? eat the party line and be happy with it. bill: that s right. a few figs once in a while and a date on sunday. a date, the fruit. no dating anymore because of forget it. billy, what about the japanese billboards on the girls leg? bill: next week they will still be there. wait a second they are running billboards on the girls legs over here. and and over here we are running kardashians dariers. that was my one joke. [ laughter ] d man and i looking forward to seeing everybody on friday night at the nokia theater in l.a. it s going to be our biggest show. it s going to be a blast. also we have bolder fresher shows in washington, denver and kansas city. great mother s and father s day gifts. going fast check it out on bill o reilly.com. a shocking report about food stamp abuse. wait until you hear where your tax dollars are going. coming right back. back of the book segment tonight. did you see that last week a television station in texas on the border ran an investigative report about the supplemental nutrition assistance program. that s food stamps. tonight, we re uncovering just how many people are on snap in the valley and how much money they are getting. one man calling for action after seeing what he calls abuse of the system happening every day. there are times i do see customers come in and they have got thousands. this gas station clerk who wants to conceal his identity over fears about losing his job is fed up. bob as we are calling him rings up a customer paying with a loan star card. the numbers he says just don t add up. the balance more than $7,000 in taxpayer funds. you would think that it would red flag in the system. bob claims that he got short changed when trying to report it. the local snap office telling him they couldn t do anything about it. according to bob on an average day he sees about 10 different people all with over 2,000 bucks in food stamps who report to the government that they can t make ends meet. but they are driving mercedes. bill: joining us from new york to explain further do you know what that mercedes reference is too? i do. basically to get food stamps you have to be so in need, so desperate to have money that you can t afford to pay for anything so the government has to help you out as you obviously know. some of these snap recipients are rolling over. they are not using the money that they are allotted every month. to add insult to injury especially for us taxpayers footing this bill these people are rolling up to like you saw the gas station in luxury cars, mercedes, lexus. bill: that s true and i your humble correspondent while i was working in dallas did an investigative report on the border about this exact thing. they had mansions, mercedes, five, six cars. know where they are getting the money? from us. bill: no. drugs. the drug traffickers and they don t declare, obviously, you don t put down occupation cocaine dealer all right? it s all cash. drug dealers and other people in that business making a lot of money don t declare it on paper they don t make any money so the government sends them food stamps and other assistance. yeah. bill: which they give to bob and they drive away in a mercedes benz. that s all over the place down on the border. that s the problem. there is no system of checking this up. there is one state representative who is trying to introduce a bill that s going to be coming up next month who willlly stary the problem that they are seeing in texas. but it is frightening because as i mean you saw this gas station attendant say this is he sees several times day. it s not a unique problem to one little area. yeah. bill: it s the biggest con and not just in texas. it s all the border states. because of the ill illicit activity down there. primarily in narcotics as i pointed out. and that s all cash. that you don t have any follow-up. once you apply for the assistance, and the government says you can get it, nobody comes to your house and says hey, look at this. what are you living in this kind of a house with a pool for? that s the thing you can have an expensive house and a car worth up to $15,000. again, they are not checking any of this stuff. you could be living in a mansion and driving around in a brand new mercedes and nobody knows. bill: that s what s going on in south texas. all right, huddy, thanks very much. we appreciate it factor tip of the day. are you a fair person? the tip 60 seconds away. factor tip of the day. are you a fair person? and mr. o reilly did you really have to scold senator marco rubio in front much millions of people? are you kidding me? are you kidding me? you think i scolded the senator? had a little fun with the the water deal. come on. anthony mathews, eyed he hidaho great interview with rubio, o reilly, you gave him some valuable advice. and giving marco rubio a primer how to drink water was condescending. okay, jefferson city, missouri funny stuff with the cup of water, o reilly, take it easy on our next president. as you know, paul, we don t take it easy on anyone. from melbourne, australia, barack obama s legacy with be eagletainer society and rich folks like you guys will quickly be forgotten. egalitarian being fair. and i m a struggling actor and conservative, i continue to stay honest in my beliefs, but it s true that many change their political views to advance their career. and o reilly, i agree that honesty and courage matter in the long run. since many of my protesters were liberal, i would have received a much lower grade if i had not written my paper with a liberal stance. you should have toughed it out. man, i had exactly the same situation at mayorist college when a proffer of political science named carolyn landa. she gave me a c. i took it, didn t deserve it, and then i exposed dr. lando in the student newspaper because she was a tough it out. hey, bill, killing kennedy is another excellent back by you, and took me by surprise when you reported your role in the assassination, i m glad you liked it. and cpac s christie snub shows how long the republicans have come from the party of reagan. and if the g.o.p. doesn t change nor will our fortunes. jim williams, oklahoma, cpac stands for conservative, and governor christie is now. why are you tougher on obama now than before the election? i ve been fair to the president in my analysis. right now in my opinion, mr. obama is hurting the country and trying to destroy the republican party and not, not trying to solve problems. there s no way on earth that mr. obama should not cut 10% out of the bloated putting. the republican party is absolutely correct to stand firm against him. bankruptcy will devastate this country. through the president s first four years, i criticized him he when he deserved it and praised him when he did something positive. i don t personally not like the president, but sub versusive, and i try to present the facts, and if that tees people off. if the best thing you could say at your funeral is that you were a fair person. that s the tip of the day. check out the fox news factor website different from the factor.com. and we love the foreign mail,