510200, coventry direct redefining insurance inside politics sunday with manu raju next on cnn crunch, time. >> is anybody going to watch the debate biden zeros, then while trump has trail, which just four days left plus great expectations joe biden, and this debate will make clear the contrast to pollsters break down the candidates targets. how should i handle him? should i be tough for nasty or should i be nice and calm and let him speak as we have new reporting on a key vulnerability for biden and rough draft, this is no pie in the sky proposal good congress expand construction. >> two women inside politics, the bus reporting from inside the corridors of power starts now good morning. >> welcome inside politics sunday or monday, raja, it is now officially debate week and ahead of thursday, a day that could change the trajectory of a race that has been deadlocked for months. but two candidates are spending their final days much differently president joe biden has been engaged in intensive preparations behind closed doors at camp. david, huddling with no fewer than 16 advisers and holding 90 minute mark debates former president trump meanwhile, has spent this past weekend onstage speaking to a christian audience in dc before rubbing, revving up his base at a rally in philadelphia. and that's where we begin this morning. steve contorno, who joins me from philadelphia. so steve, you were in the room last night. what does trump have to say about the debate? >> well, mano entering last night's rally, trump, as you said, spoke to a dc off audience also stopped for philly cheese takes making that sort of traditional pennsylvania campaign, stop getting an a full de of campaigning on his final saturday before this debate. and clearly he enjoyed juxtaposing how he spent his day versus joe biden's more studious approach. listen to what he told his rally last night right now, crooked joe's gone to a log cabin to study, prepare. no, he didn't do he's sleeping now because they wanted to get him good and strong. so a little before debate time, he gets a shot. >> the and that's they wanted to strengthen them up so he comes out, he'll come out okay? >> i say he'll come out all jacked up right all jacked trump yesterday also said that he for the first first-time, trump also said he has made a decision on who will be his vice presidential pick, telling that philly cheesesteak, proud that he has a decision quote in his mind, though he hasn't told that person yet nor is he ready to tell the public. >> but interestingly, all the potential contenders will appear at a debate. watch party thursday for president trump, including the three people that we have heard are leading front runners, j.d. vance of ohio, senator marco rubio of florida, and north dakota governor doug burgum, mano. >> all right. steve can turn on felony but i'll via thanks so much. and let's play this all doubt with new york magazine's olivia, new tse, cnn's jeff zeleny, seen in political director david chaldean and susan pays from usa today. good morning, guys to be here for you to join us. thanks for being here. >> it's interesting because for we know we've been watching trump and everything that he said over the campaign season, of course, inside politics, viewers have been watching everything that donald trump has been saying and the like. but there's so many viewers who have gone to tune in on thursday for the first time in years and hearing what trump has the same, they may have actually two it out with trump has had to say, he is laboratory to reach those viewers, those who can meet that moment though. >> well, i think it is an extraordinarily important moment for both candidates. i think that this race, as we know, has been remarkably stable and i think to your point, manu, one of the reasons why i think the biden campaign wanted to debate earlier than ever in presidential history in terms of a general election is to do exactly that, is to try and wake up voters who have been disengaged in this and put the contrast on display between these two men, the biden campaign of course, thinks that contrast works for them, although the trump team is quite eager to have the contrast with biden on the stage as well. you just heard donald trump team that up, that he's sleeping at the log cabin i mean, they're hoping the contrast and stamina and biden's hoping for a contrast in terms of sort of chaos versus a more steady hand. >> and you're talking to the biden campaign pretty regularly. how do they see it with a log cabin? >> just talking about as camp david that's where a president biden is spending the weekend preparing. look what they've been trying to do for months without much success really, as david said, it's been a stable race for all that's happened in this race to convictions, a war other things. it has been remarkably stable. a lot of that is some voters are not engaged if you're interested, what the biden campaign is hoping is to kind of shake some of those democratic voters get the base back around him by reminding what donald trump was like. but also talking about what he has pledged for a potential second term. so one of the interesting things talking to a variety of biden advisers, they said obviously the biggest challenge for president is defending his own record. four years ago it was all about trump this year. it's all about biden, but biden has been the president, has been internalizing and studying a lot of what trump has been saying at the rallies and other things. so he's trying to make this of course, about trump. but the reality is now it's about biden's records. so that is kind of a split-screen moment. >> and what we saw just because there's no rally crowd here, there's no audience. and what does trump still trying to cater to his base as he does every time and time again, if he did this past weekend and throwing red me, going after migrants and saying things like this. >> if i took this shared of you'd see a beautiful, beautiful person. >> but you'd see wounds all over, all over me. >> i've taken a lot of wounds. i can tell you more than i suspect any president ever trump was treated the worst andrew jackson second, and abraham lincoln there. but i definitely took taps, but have an idea why don't you set up a migrant league of fighters he didn't like that idea too much, but actually not the worst idea i've ever had. >> i mean, that would last kopan was about there's a ufc championship. leader, dana white about setting up a migrant leading to fight each other out these migrans a fire each other. that aside, i mean what do you think or how trump is going to approach this outcome thursday. >> so that's the donald trump that joe biden hopes shows up at the debate. somebody who's advisers hope some of his buddies hoping that donald trump does not yes, that's trump's some trump advisers would like a slightly different calibrated trump to show it, but the biden camp would like a trump to show up. who is focus? it was done grievances against him, not the problems that americans face and say things that seem just a little nutty like this idea of a fighting league in the course. the trump people have two different biden's. they want to have sharp. >> one is would not be the one that showed up at the state of the union who looked vigorous and funny and had some rough forte, but rather the biden that sometimes i'm shows up at public appearances that seems less sure. >> footed. yeah. and obviously, trump has been saying, some of the people in the trump campaign led biden speak, let him speak as he's the one who's going to stumble. but trump has a very hard time letting someone else speak. >> yeah, although i think the format of this debate will probably help facilitate a conversation which both parties get some time to speak but the idea that there's some other trump, that there's ever been a presidential pivot is absurd. he is the guy who calls for migrants to fight each other on ufc that there's only one donald trump and i think that i think a lot of americans, i think he's benefited in some ways that the stakes have been so much lower in the post-presidency. he sort of exists to the mean. people forget what it was like every day with this onslaught of news and him threatening to do all manner of unprecedented things. and the majority of people who've been paying attention to what he he is set at his rallies are people who really support him, who were inclined to tune into that type of thing. i think that the biden campaign, if he can be alert and awake and more like the state of the union in biden that you were referring to? i think the biden campaign jets have an opportunity here, but that's a big if you look just to take a step back up where this race is at this moment, there's a fox news poll from earlier this week, just breaking down the voting voters see the two men according to this poll men trump has an advantage favorable 15 point advantage over biden women. trump biden according to this poll up 17 points. and then there's the rural, urban divide that has been so persisted for some time in older voters have been favoring biden in recent polling and including in this one 115 points and biden and this one is nine points i had on the independence david, do think that's an accurate reflection of the race. >> well, i think that it's a no clear leader margin of error or national poll. and that is an accurate reflection of the race. i think we're in a no clear leader national race that is within the margin of error. i think that you're seeing in a lot of the critical battleground states. we're talking about margin of error stuff as well. so this is a close contest and this is what i mean and what jeff was talking about about it's been that way since the beginning, but you go back and look at that same fox poll back in october, it looks very similar. i mean, it eddies it is just not responded to all of the crash of news developments yet partially because of this disengaged factor of voters who really don't like their choices and just aren't signing up to get involved actively in paying attention to what's going on but also, i just think we are in i think we forget a lot. this is our first post covid election. and i just think that in the american psyche, there was a glitch in the matrix that was covid, right? that i don't think we've fully solved for yet. and so i just think we're in a new realm. i know it's two candidates that have faced each other before, but it's a totally new environment for the country in which they're doing not so clear when you go back and watch the debates, the last ones which i did this week, it's been for years since the two have been in the same room. think of all that's happened the insurrection, the dobbs decision, invasion of ukraine, the war in the middle east to felony convictions on and on. so yes, it is the same people as david said, but it's an entirely different script here. so this is not the same debate last time it was largely fought around the coronavirus and the trump administration's handling of them. now let's on the economy, on immigration and the biden record so if trump says, are you better off now than you were four years ago, that's a difficult question to answer because four years ago at this moment when a corona virus was happening, the summer of 2020 perhaps, but not necessarily in all parts of the trump term. yeah. and we're obviously reaching a new point in this campaign, not just what the debate, but also in terms of what we're going to see. you just said in a more onslaught of advertising throughout the key battleground states that are adviser being placed by biden, by trump's campaign is buying for the first time really since march, the campaign has started to put key ads and battleground states and some of its trump campaign has been boyd by fundraising, post conviction, hundred and 41 million that biden has a trump has raised in may compared to biden at $85 million. how do you think trump is going to deal with now we know how trump's going to deal with the conviction question. come thursday, he's going to say he was persecuted. he doesn't biden. does he hammer that home on thursday? and also, how do we how to donors respond to a conviction 34 counts of felony is and apparently they respond by thinking this is a great reason to contribute to this candidate i mean the legal, the legal process in this election has been, i think surprising in that the indictments bolstered trump in the primaries and the convictions are bolstering him in his efforts to raise money. >> and that is wipes out a huge advantage that the biden people expect it is a biden, do not think that the trump, do they think that the biden people think that trump can they can helps trump hurts biden. >> i mean, just objectively, it's hard to say. it helps any candidate to be a convicted felon. but donald trump has been challenging the common good sense on that. certainly i do think that biden's at risk of overplaying his hands and playing into the perception whether or not it's fair that this is a political persecution so i think that he should be careful about crowing about that two months. >> all right. we'll see how he deals with it coming up. >> could anything from this historically early debate shake up the polls and shake loose some votes. >> we'll talk to to pollsters about what to expect the cnn presidential debate thursday night at nine live on cnn and streaming on max experience helped me save over $1,400 a year on car insurance. though prices keep going up experian is here to help you see when personal loans, credit cards, or car insurance start saving. now, free and experienced.com will get the app. now, the whole world is about to burn your team. they are decent people but you and me we all belong with decent this is your last shot at home. one would fast the temper repeated breeze, make sleep, feel cool. >> so no more sweating all night or blasting the air conditioning because the temper breeze feels up to ten degrees cooler. all night long during our july 4th sale, save $500 on cooling, temper brief please. mattresses. >> i'm not here telling people how they can save money with experience, which subscription cancellation you can be saved me $270 on average a year. they less, i'm thinking girl math. >> if i pair of shoes with that, that's what we're talking about. >> get started now with the spearing app. >> lawmakers are trying to shut down planned parenthood, the health care of more than 2 million people. is at stake our right to basic reproductive health care is being stolen from us. >> planned parenthood believes everyone deserves health care. it's a human right. future generations are beginning to lose the rights we thought for, the rights for ourselves, our kids, and our grandkids gone that's like that. i can't believe this is the world we live in where we're losing the freedom took control, our own bodies. last year, politicians in 47 states introduced bills that would block people from getting the sexual and reproductive care they need. where does it end? 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and for that kind of bounce to last for whoever is perceived to have won the race. >> i would expect that we will see slightly fewer undecided voters to the extent that we have even this 34, 5% still out there saying, i truly don't know what i'm going to do that may after seeing the debate either have their concerns about biden. okay. my my my mind is it ease those concerns are laid or if trump does really well saying, hey, you know, actually maybe i can't see myself putting this guy back in for four years. so we could clear up some questions for the type of voter that i would call lower engagement, the sort of for person who's not tuning into why a ton of news all the time, they may have pretty clear views of who trump and biden are. but in terms of what they will do a november may still be thinking through that decision is that i use i mean, certainly it is a good moment for a huge number of people who haven't really been paying that much attention to really see what the contrast is. remind themselves like what trump is like when he's lewis says all reports will be he's not giving a rambling speech by himself. he's forced to engage. normally, i mean, historically, presidents, their first debate has not been as strong, but the differences trump has not been debating either. if he had been in primary debates against nikki haley as opposed to giving rambling battery, battery late in speeches that might be a little bit different, but he hasn't been practicing, so we'll see how that plays out i heard somebody in focus group, a focus group recently say a friend of mine was talking about some court thing and i wasn't really following, so they're going to be a lot of voters who a