their record now on the subject of pennsylvania, just moments ago, we spoke to the governor of that commonwealth, josh shapiro. listen to what he told us here's the bottom line joe biden had a bad debate night, but donald trump was a bad president. >> i think we have a responsibility right now to ask ourselves what kind of nation? we want it be. i think the answer is clear on that, and then we got to stop worrying and start working. right? a lot of questions for the biden campaign. let's get right on the ground where president biden is today in raleigh, north carolina. that's where cnn senior white house correspondent, kayla tausche is. what are you hearing from the biden team? kayla will john the biden team as of this moment, plans to pack up what few wins they had on the debate stage last night, you've already seen some of those packaged and posted on social media and to move on and focus on what's coming down the pike. >> there are no plans. i'm told for the president to drop out of the race and even further, i'm told that the president is still committed to a second debate in september, which is currently scheduled for september 10 and hosted by abc news much along the lines of the rules of the debate that was hosted last night. now, the adviser that i spoke with said that they're not putting too much stock in that conversation last night and that many of the staffers on the campaign and in the white house also worked on president obama's reelection in 2012. and they tried to draw the parallel to that first debate. that was a very low performance for president obama. even he would call it a stinker and they sit if you had believed to the pundits in the wake of that debate, mitt romney would be president, would have been president after that. but of course, the big differences in the wake of that debate, no one in obama's own party was calling for him to resign the office of president. and that is the moment that democrats find themselves in right now the mood that i'm hearing from democrats who are texting this morning is described as fatalistic behind the scenes. and while we've seen some of these public pronouncements from members of the president's own party. there is still so much consternation about what happens next and whether the performance aspect of last night can even be fixed going forward. because if not, that september debate is likely just to be a real repeat of what we saw on stage last night, putting democrats in the same position. they're in right now even closer to election day. that being said, biden himself did not seem to be fazed by it. he was asked at a waffle house following the debate how he viewed his performance and whether he had any concerns about it. here's how the president responded. then you have any concerns about your performance target debate and water your lines? >> 26 times bigger lines. >> of course, the biden camp wanting to focus on the falsehoods of donald trump to try to change the narrative about what should be taken away from what happened on stage. but it just raises the stakes of today's rally here in north carolina. which version of president biden? shows up? certainly he tried to course, correct. last night by staying on the tarmac for 30 minutes, greeting hundreds of supporters, flashing thumbs up. but we'll see what his messages today, guys. >> and you will be there. kayla tausche. great to have you there in north carolina thanks so much so as many biden surrogates and democratic supporters insists there is no need to panic over president's, president biden's debate performance. >> a different take from a never trump republican who has promised to support and vote for joe biden. i'm talking about from a republican congressman, joe walsh saying this now, after the bait, yes. i'll still vote for biden even after his disaster last night because i'll vote for whoever the democrats nominate. but the point is, most people won't. trump must never be in the white house again, democrats need another nominee joining us right now is joe walsh. it's good to see you. thanks for coming in. why do you say this it can't good to be with you. >> look, this this isn't bad wedding, and this isn't panic our democracy is on the line. i don't want to raise my voice and shout and scream. i show all lowered a little bit, but kate, our democracy is on the line our country, i believe, and i think a lot of democrats in americans belief cannot survive another four years of donald trump in the white house nothing else matters. but keeping trump out of the white house. the problem is joe biden last night, i think conclusively showed that he can't defeat trump. nothing else matters. so if i'm a democrat right now, i've got to find somebody who can beat trump karsten. let me play for you because we just got this in from the democratic leader of the house, talk about a top democrat, hakeem jeffries. he was just asked about president biden in his performance and whether he should step down after his performance last night? let's listen to this together stepped down after the debate performance last night, should step aside were you okay with how he did one word answer? and that's all the jeffries was going to say. right then he says, no we're another way to look at it is this donald trump for 90 minutes, lied last night. every time trump opened his mouth, he lied. and yet all we're talking about is joe biden in donald trump's still won that debate last night, going away so what does that say about biden? look, this is really difficult and this doesn't happen a lot joe biden had one job to do, kate, he had one job. show the american people. he is not too old and he's up to the job he failed at that. he failed at that. what's our what's our biggest wrap against donald trump? my biggest rafah he's humanly incapable of putting the country's interests before his own. joe biden has to demonstrate. now, i think that he's capable of putting the country's interests first in putting someone in there who can be trunk. >> we just heard a little bit from johns interview with the democratic governor of pennsylvania, josh shapiro saying very clearly, he says biden had a bad, bad debate but that doesn't change the fact that he says trump was a terrible president in summary, josh shapiro says essentially to all of those worrying, freaking out basically to you, joe walsh, not specifically, but i'll just say in this way, he says, stop worrying, start working why can't that can that overcome this? why in your view, can hard work not overcome what happened no. >> and i love josh shapiro and i wish josh shapiro where the democratic nominee, i'm sorry, i'm always a little offended by this stop worrying. i'm someone who literally literally believes the country would survive another four years of trump in the white house. so this is not worrying this is real, real concern. and i think josh shapiro and all these good loyal democrats are missing the boat right now because a lot of americans tuned in last night, a lot of undecided americans and i think there are a lot more undecided americans in this race than people know. and they know trump is an but they worried about how old trump is. and they to how old biden is. and they tuned in last night and oh my god biden is too old undecided voters all came to that conclusion last site, and they'll vote for the bad guy over the old guy. i think more times than not, that's the real real concern. it wasn't just a bad night. this confirmed everybody's greatest fear about joe biden thinking about as we just heard together, hakeem, jeffries and his initial reaction. >> one thing you know, as a former member of congress is, you know, how the top of the ticket can be very important what do you worry more, more about the white house? do do you worry about the impact that this debate performance will have on the bottom of the ticket. what impact do you think it will have? >> running for reelection as i did in a very tough district. i always worried about who is at the top of the ticket if i'm a democrat running for a house seat or ama democrat trying to protect a senate seat right now in a tough district and south battleground state i am i am panicking. i am panicking with joe biden at the top of the ticket right now because this is going to have real trickle-down effects. i don't mean to beat up on joe biden. if joe biden is the nominee, kaye, if he stays in, i'm going to run through a wall to help get by elected. it's not me that joe biden and hakeem jeffries and other democrats have to worry about it's all of the people in the middle who don't like trump put worry that biden's too old last night, moved most of them to trump and i don't think biden can walk that back and yes the way things stand right now, if biden is at the top of the ticket, it's going to impact democrat's chances in the senate and the house. >> so if we've heard some democrats saying it's just not practical that joe biden bow out, releases delegates. that's some of what we're hearing from democrats today. if he's not dropping out, no indication that he is. what do you he's back on the campaign trail today. what do you need to hear? that will change your opinion and how you're feeling this morning if i if kate if i were joe biden's closest advisor, i'd have him with you right now for an hour? >> no. no no rules, no nothing. and i'd be taking all questions. i would get joe biden out there right now and i would get joe biden out there in a free-flowing town hall press conference environment right now. and i've let joe biden say i mucked up last night. i didn't feel well. i know i came across his old i had a bad night the only way biden can save this is if he's out in front of the american people, in front of you, kate, in front of the media taking questions and demonstrating immediately that last night was a bit of an aberration, but i don't think he'll do that kill off thanks for jumping on real quick this morning thank you, sir. >> we are also getting reaction this morning from voters who watched the debate and new polling about whether it will impact their votes from trump. >> all i really heard was i've done this and it was the best ever, but i never heard what it was. >> biden seems to be very tired actually, i'm tired of both of them all right. >> and donald trump made more than 30 false claims last night compared to nine from biden. we will dig into that final episode of violent. >> they're deadly by lynch and unleash masters structure can impact our worsening. >> is it too late to undo decades of climate change? 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we have a great panel this morning, cnn anchor and correspondent audie cornish, and cnn chief national affairs correspondent jeff zeleny. i'm just curious to the both of you. did anyone think last night that there would be the possibility that we would wake up this morning and there will be talked about biden being pushed out of this race i didn't know and not to this extent, however, i do think it was notable that the speed that the debate was so early in the cycle, which was unusual. and i did have conversations with people who said, well, it's early enough that if their needs so be a conversation and neither party, it can be had. and today in the sober light of day, i think it's being had i think so. but look as we go hour-by-hour, the sun is up now a president biden we will be having an event in north carolina. this is all on him. this is his choice to make and we can talk all about reaction from democrats and things. but there's one person who can actually change this race and shake it up. and that would be him. he could say a variety of things. i'm not going to say what he could say, but there's zero less than zero indication of that the biden campaign is circling the wagons. it took them a little bit longer than i thought the spin room was basically devoid of democrats, democratic voices last night, but we're seeing a governor shapiro was on with you this morning. jon and governor whitmer is saying it. others trying to focus on the recommends. yeah. bad record. >> bad or bad debate night. bad president for trump will see, but no, we didn't predict this. >> we also went into last night thinking, i think most people that we were going to watch this kind of debate between the potentially infirm and the potentially unstable. and now people have a more accurate picture of both because at the end of the day, you also had trump basically the gaslighting america about january 6, about charlottesville. there were plenty of digressions that you could hear fulsome lay and so obviously, having reaction shots on the daily show is not ideal for a democrat, but i also think that people hello, are able to circle the wagons because they can say, well, look, trump is also not in better shape. he's not a better person than he was four years. why doesn't that cancel it out? >> the way you put it out with started why does it seem in the reaction today to cancel that out? the the trump avalanche of dishonesty in lies and falsehoods canceling out the joe biden struggling and not doing himself any any service and trying to disprove concerns about his age because president biden failed to prosecute that case on the stage a candidate to candidate race and that was what president biden's task was. and that's clearly what he i would assume prepared for in debate prep because we did know from his advisers he was studying what trump has been saying at rallies, studying his record and what he would do in a second term. and very very little of that actually broke through. look, my question. josh shapiro, governor shapiro was if trump is as bad as you say, he is, if that was all the more clear on that debate stage last night, doesn't it make the stakes? for the democratic nominee even higher, doesn't it make it even more important in adi, i should tell you the only podcast i care about is your podcasts. there are a few others that are out there as well. the chocolates in the mail the pons and america guys are out this morning. basically what they're saying is look it is before the convention, there are several weeks we do now know they say that donald trump is all these things. it's on us. they say the democrats to have this discussion and have it in public. yeah. and it's also about use of resources. do you? you want to spend the next 18 weeks in a donor scramble having this conversation, trying to get someone else up to bat, or do you want to hunker down, convince all those volunteers that like yes, this is still a worthy person to get behind, or that the stakes are too high to do. otherwise and spend your time and resources on that? and i think that's really more of the pragmatism in reality that we're talking about. because i don't like to speculate about like, well, what does the president thing like? we know he wants we absolutely know that you mentioned d