exclusive interview today, and he's basically saying look, you have this issue with the cr, you have the issue with the wall, they're two totally separate things, let's open this government. and one thing people are forgetting, it's about people. so many -- hundreds of thousands of people are being affected even more than that, beyond the federal workers. and you have people who are saying look, i don't have money to do this, i don't have money to do that with this next check. that's the issue. we're day 13 today. with this government shutdown. and in 2013 we were -- we went 13 days. and those 13 days, the gdp was negatively impacted. chuck schumer says the economy's going to get worse. this thing is bigger than just them standing there and seeing who's going to blink. this thing is about people, humanity. humanity. people who need their checks. it's two totally separate issues. >> yeah. >> rick, more of nancy pelosi, the speaker. watch. >> sure. >> this is not a wall between