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cnbc. i know people like me have been asking people like you for days, how big does this get and what about coming to these shores? >> at the moment it's still contained in the uk. the census is it could spill over only, and i say only, in the allegations -- and the allegations are and the fbi is investigating, whether the company hacked the phones of 9/11 victims. there's a view that if that was truly the case it would change the game. the fcc could pull their television licenses, advertisers could pull their money. viewers could turn away and just the way they have, frankly, in the uk. until we get to that point it's probably contained to the london world. >> a devil's advocate question. a lot of people and some of the on-air analysts were watching and asking over and over, how could he not have known? but if you're the producer of a fox show "american idol," "family guy" if you were asked you would answer, we don't hear from rupert murdoch. he doesn't meddle in our business.