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good to be back with you in this second hour of "chris jansing reports." just a few minutes from now, ivanka trump will return to the witness stand in the fraud trial where her most used phrase has been i don't recall. and moments ago, we learned about a new legal maneuver from prosecutors. plus, with his daughter on the stand and republican rivals headed for the debate stage, donald trump looks to take back the spotlight with one of his signature rallies tonight. and a big blow to glenn youngkin's brand as virginia voters thwart his plans for a gop takeover for the legislature. what could it mean for presidential ambitions. breaking news in the hunter biden saga, the republican chairman of the house oversight committee, sending the president -- excuse me. let's go to our nbc reporters. excuse me one sec. apologies for that, lindsey. let's begin in new york city. we're outside the trial in lower manhattan and from what we're seeing from ivanka today, stylistically she's setting herself apart from her brothers and father. we remember the former president combative. she's respectful, goes out of her way to be polite. she's soft spoken. the judge had to tell her to speak up twice. she's also, as you mentioned, thematically saying i don't recall to a lot of the questions from the attorney general's office. they are still able to bring these documents into evidence. it can't necessarily be said that she's not doing anything for the state's case. now, they're establishing the purchase of the old post office. ivanka is the one who made that presentation to the government agency, the gsa. the attorney general argues that the purchase was made with a false statement and false statement of net worth. now, also interestingly, there have been some asides between chris kise, trump's attorney, and the judge, with kise objecting saying they're bringing things way beyond the statute of limitation, saying the government agency was happy with the deal. at one point they were thrilled with the renovation and it was a world class facility, and the judge saying you're starting to sound a lot like your client, followed by laughter in the courtroom. now, some other areas of the attorney general trying to question ivanka about these statements of financial condition. she has testified she never had anything to do with the preparation, also saying she didn't understand or recall, rather, what her understanding was, specifically to a 2011 e-mail in which the gsa was writing about some gaap departures, some departures from the generally accepted accounting principles. we're headed back from the lunch break. as you mentioned, the attorney general filing a motion this afternoon, trying to get four expert witnesses for the defense team essentially dismissed, keep them from testifying, saying their testimony is no longer relevant. we're digging more into that, and we'll keep you posted, chris. >> lindsey reiser, thank you for jumping in when i needed you most. appreciate it. we'll be watching whether donald trump brings up his daughter's testimony in florida. that's designed to counter programming in tonight's debate. nbc's vaughn hillyard is reporting in hialeah, florida, what are we expecting to hear from the former president? that's quite a big place that he's planning to have a rally. >> reporter: right, chris. we're just about 10 miles down the road here in hialeah, which is a heavily cuban-american population, 10 miles down the road from where the debate is taking place tonight. this is the third debate in which he is sticking out and holding a counter programming event. the other republican candidates had hoped by this point that donald trump would have been forced to go to the debate stage, hoping to close his polling lead. but what you see in the latest nbc "des moines register" poll out of the state of iowa, donald trump has 73% support among republican caucus goers, and next up, nikki haley, and ron desantis. for donald trump, he has maintained throughout the summer and now into the fall that there is no reason for him to go to the debate and give any of these candidates the time of day, insisting that he is focused on beating joe biden next november. and for donald trump, he will be here taking the stage, just about an hour before the debate begins, and this is an opportunity for him, as we have seen him on the campaign trail in the past, and while testifying on monday in lower manhattan in the civil fraud lawsuit, make the case he is being politically indicted. just down the road from where the debate is taking place for the other candidates tonight. chris. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you for that. let's go to virginia now. voters delivered a decisive blow against glenn youngkin's ambition for total control of the legislature. 24 hours ago, the governor seemed to have so much political capital. where are we today? >> reporter: just minutes ago he stepped outside of the state house and said he was disappointed. he candidly admitted that. talked about the idea that virginia is perhaps more purple than he actually realized it was. but he did say he's going to continue to push for common sense and common ground on perhaps the biggest issue in this state, and perhaps the reason that things went so democratic yesterday, the issue of abortion. he of course was very clear with his plans for a 15-week abortion ban, and voters were very clear with their answers, delivering democrats both the house of delegates and the state senate. here's what he had to say in his remarks earlier. >> i think one of my aspirations was to find a place to come together on one of these most difficult topics. an abortion is potentially one of the most difficult topics in virginia and around the nation. and my hope is, continues to be, that we can find a way to come together as virginians and lead: i do believe that there is a place we can come together, common ground. this is difficult, and i'm hopeful that the dialogue that we started can continue. >> reporter: and he made a little bit of news on 2024 as well, telling reporters that he's not going anywhere. he's going to continue to be here in virginia, chris. >> gary grumbach, thank you for that. let's go to breaking news we got in moments ago, the powerful house oversight committee will subpoena president biden's son hunter, his brother james and another family associate to appear for an interview. congressman james comer also made it clear he wants to interview other members of the biden family as well. get us up to speed on this breaking news. >> reporter: and this might not be the only round of subpoenas we'll see this week. the house oversight chairman, james comer, saying he's prepared to send additional subpoenas and circumstantial requests for transcribed interviews. this certainly marks a dramatic escalation of house republicans impeachment inquiry into president biden and their multimonth long investigation. we have seen them float this step, potentially foreshadow to taking it. in the last couple of minutes, they are taking it. they are subpoenaing the president's son, hunter biden, they are subpoenaing, in addition to him, the president's brother and robert walker, a family business associate -- >> i'm sorry, i have to interrupt you. vice president harris is talking about last night's election results. let's listen. >> the voters said, look, the government should not be telling a woman what to do with her body. i think voters have been clear regardless of whether they're in a so called red or blue state that one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply held beliefs to agree that government should not be telling a woman what to do with her body. it was a good night, and the president and i obviously have a lot of work to do to earn our reelection, but i am confident we're going to win. so thank you all. >> the vice president on the results of last night's election, which heavily favored the democrats. i had to interrupt you, julie, but let's go back. they want to talk to the members of the biden family. >> reporter: yeah, they do. that's right. three subpoenas issued today. a handful of others for transcribed interviews, including to other members of biden's family. this all comes after the committee obtained bank records that james comer, the chair of the panel says shows a link that president biden had benefitted financially via his family members, via this business partner. again, though, the committee has been investigating this for months now, not only this panel, but two others solely focused on this impeachment industry, investigating the business dealings that comer called quote, shady. there's a link that the biden family set up 20 shell companies that were created during joe biden's tenure as vice president. i should note the committee held multiple hearings, the first at the end of september into the impeachment inquiry itself. that has not produced evidence with the ties. the committee, speaker mike johnson floating that perhaps the subpoenas were long overdue. now they're saying they're perhaps going to get answers from them. we do not have the actual files, the subpoenas themselves which would indicate a date for which the three individuals need to appear for the transcribed interviews. we're still waiting to see that. >> julie tsirkin on the hill for us today, thank you. still ahead, she went from socialite to shunned as ivanka trump tries to rebuild her brand. what it means for her testimony at her father's fraud trial. we're back in 60 seconds. r home. the wayfair homes just have that razzle dazzle. they redid the guest room. all at prices you can't believe but you should and blitzen fast shipping, north pole in two days so this year go to wayfair for goodness sake. the gifts. you have one job nick. ♪ wayfair you've got just what i need ♪ you know that feeling of having to rewash dishes that didn't get clean? i don't. cascade platinum plus... with 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christian. welcome both of you. at the start of the trial when the d.a.'s team called ivanka trump to the stand, the judge joked, who is she. you said there was a time when ivanka was referred to as kind of the chosen one when it came to her father's business empire. tell us about her role in the company before joining the former president at the white house and her decision not to return? >> well, before she entered the white house with her father, she was seen as the heir apparent, she was the one that had the most power within the company. her job was often sort of as an outward facing job. she would talk to bankers, people of potential loans, and she led projects like the one they're talking about in court today, the renovation of the old post office building in d.c., that was temporarily the trump hotel in d.c. she was more involved than her brothers and had a more prominent role inside and outside the company. the ultimate decision maker in that era was always donald trump. the kids could bring ideas to him, proposals to him, and maybe ivanka would have an inside track to getting those approved, there was no decision maker outside of donald trump. that's why he's at the center of the trial, and ivanka is one of the witnesses. >> i wonder if that makes it plausible given, catherine, her, i don't know, i don't remember, i don't recall, although saying, yeah, i recognize that statement. that was my e-mail. she was a big picture person. she was the facing, outward facing person in this company. not necessarily the detail person? >> yes, but. according to the attorney general in their complaint, two of the major deals, the old post office, which became the trump hotel in washington, d.c., and the doral golf club in miami, they were done by ivanka. she was the lead negotiator. she's the one who helped acquire those properties, and according to the ag, the reason why the trump organization received loans for those properties is because of false statements and financial statements. that's why she was called because she was the captain of the two projects, and her i don't recalls, you can say it was ten years ago, but she confirmed facts. she was able to say, yes, that e-mail, yes i was the one who brought deutsche bank in. she was a very important witness for the attorney general. >> a couple of weeks ago, ivanka was snapped by paparazzi going to kim kardashian's birthday party, and today snapped into the manhattan courthouse, being pulled into her father's orbit. people might forget before her dad was president, she was sought after in new york social circles. chelsea clinton was a good friend. there are personal stakes for they are today, and i wonder how does she separate the life she wants to kind of, i guess, rebuild in florida from the legal reality of the morass, the many trials her father is involved in? >> well, she certainly seems to be trying. obviously she hasn't had any involvement with her father's reelection bid that he's making now for 2024. she's not involved in the trump business. her brothers are running it now along with her father. she hasn't come back. she's left new york, lives in isolation in miami. maybe she has a long-term planning to reemerge in society. she seems to have cut herself off. i don't think that's cosmetic, i think that's real, cut herself off from her father's political and business orbit. that separation is real. what we're seeing today is a reminder of how integral she was to that world until 2017. >> after her dad, and correct me if i'm wrong, after her dad, i don't think anybody in the trump circle was better at building a brand, right, monetizing the family name? i think she had a shoe line. she had jewelry collaborations. she wrote a book. is a lot of what her life is about now, frankly, brand rebuilding or trying to make a completely different brand? >> well, i think her aims were different back then. you're right, no one had heard of donald trump jr. or eric trump before their father got into politics. ivanka trump was a well known brand. it wasn't just a brand in a theoretical sense, a brand on your shoes, your purse. she sold a lot of goods with her name, and built a persona that took advantage of her father's fame and made herself an advocate for women. something separate. she's not only lost that brand, lost those merchandising deals. she may try to reestablish herself as a public figure for psychological or sort of the, you know, celebrity purposes. she doesn't need to monetize her fame in the same way she did back then. >> always interesting, catherine, in strategy. what should we make of the fact that this is how they chose to close their case. this is the last witness. is she kind of wrapping up a lot of loose ends? i mean, this is not a jury that has to be reminded of things. it's a little different. why her last? >> exactly. first of all, she's not a defendant. she had her own attorneys who successfully had her removed on the appeal and got her out of the case, and she's poised and respectful. and so her answers except for the i don't recalls, yes, i remember that. yes, that happened. yes i was the one that brought deutsche bank in. you close with a trump, but a trump who is poised and respectful to the court and you can argue was credible. maybe not for the i don't recalls, but credible with the facts they already knew. >> david, and catherine, you're going to be back later this hour. a texas town is being told to shelter in place after explosion triggered a massive fire at a chemical plant. take a look. these are the first pictures we're getting from there. huge plumes of black smoke pouring out of that plant in shepherd, texas, which makes solvents for glue and paint thinner. residents were told to shelter inside as officials warned of the effects of the chemicals in the air. that has now been reduced to one mile. people in nearby livingston are being told to stay inside as the plume of smoke heads toward that part of 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