country and corruption or you're not getting money from us, that's okay. >> yeah. >> if he tied it to a more personal interest, it could be a little suspicious, especially when we don't get any readouts of any of these things. obviously if it were so benign, unless this complainer, this whistle-blower, is completely incredible, which is hard to believe, because the ig had to assess it in order to find their own threshold finding, which rudy giuliani was way off about, denigrating the ig, who by the way was picked by this president. so that becomes relevant. why did the person get so upset? why did the ig believe the claim? why did they think this rose to that level? that's all relevant in the assessment. >> let's talk about what he said about joe biden. i know you did the fact check. i'm going to have you for a little bit. >> i have it right here. >> 20 minutes -- just a couple. then you can talk. i want to read part of it from cnn. it says, giuliani's story is littered with holes. the ukraine's government's case