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[ male announcer ] yes, you could business pro. yes, you could. go national. go like a pro. >> bill: and in the impact segment tonight, the president and the democrats weigh in on the budget chaos. that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. for the first time in four years, the senate has put forth a budget proposal. it's impossible to explain so i won't even try. but i can give you some specific data from it. the first thing is the president obama and the democratic party claim they're cutting almost $3 trillion out of the deficit. but what they don't tell you is that is over a 10-year period. >> i think what's important to recognize is that we have already cut 2.5, $2.7 trillion out of the deficit if the sequester stays in you have got over $3.5 trillion of deficit reduction already. so we don't have an immediate crisis in terms of debt. in fact, for the next 10 years, it's going to be an n. a sustainable place. >> bill: wow. with all due respect few economists agree with the president that a debt heading toward $20 trillion can, quote. sustainable. in fact, there have been no real cuts. democrats are just slowing down the rate of spending. not eliminating or reforming wasteful programs. the sad fact is that barack obama not gonna change his opinion, no matter how much data is presented. he believes the massive federal debt will not harm the country, period. and so he operates under that assumption and says this: >> my goal is not to chase a balanced budget just for the sake of balance. my goal is how do we grow the economy, put people back to work and if we do that, we're going to be bringing in more revenue, if we have controlled spending, and we have smart entitlement package, then potentially what you have is balance -- >> bill: potentially. the president thinks he he can get the federal budget under control. potentially. but listen to this. the democratic budget calls for $1 trillion in tax increases over the next 10 years. how are you going to grow an economy with that? and every working american is going to pay some of those taxes. let me ask you, let me ask you this. are you already not paying taxes through the roof? i am. property tax, sales tax, gas tax, state tax, city of new york tax, federal income tax, and almost everything i do in my leash time, rental cars, hotels, planes, all taxed as well. and the democrats want to add another trillion dollars in taxes? so we're quickly becoming sweden which has the highest tax rate in europe. u.s. corporate tax is already the highest in the world, already. and there is no doubt president obama wants to raise them even further. so, again, is this a sound economic policy? is this going to grow the economy in the u.s.a.? is it? finally, the president and the democratic party have failed to tell the american people exactly what programs they will cut in the future, if anymore. once again, there is no specific entitlement reform put forth by the president. this is really irresponsible. is it not? and that's the memo. now, joining us from washington fox news chief political correspondent carl cameron has been taking a look at the democratic budget and the republican budget in a hard news context. no commentary. all right? so carl is going to explain it so that even i can understand it, which is a mammoth task. all right, cammeron. first of all, we have dueling budgets, right? >> right. >> put forth by congressman ryan. they don't want any tax cuts, all right? >> that's right. >> bill: then the democratic one released today, they want a trillion dollars in tax cuts. so that, right away we know we are not going to get anywhere. am i wrong? >> well, listen, this was already set up to fail in the absence of the president who hasn't put forth his budget for the first time in almost a century. congress has actually come up with their spending plans before the chief executive. so, when you start at the finish line and not all the participants are there. you are looking at a train wreck at the end. >> bill: i misspoke. the republicans don't want any tax increases. okay? i said tax -- they don't want any tax increases. this is what i don't understand. the g.o.p. says okay, we're not going to go for any tax increases. in fact, we want to lower the income tax rate to about 26% for the highest level. but, the democrats come in with a trillion dollars in new taxes. so, there is just no way that they're ever going to come to any agreement. >> they are approaching it from two totally different directions. paul ryan's budget which will balance in 10 years looks and weighs heavily and leans evidence heavily on entitlement reform. medicare, medicaid entitlement reform and repeal of obama care. >> bill: that's ridiculous. those under president obama and that's never going to happen. why would ryan even put it forth when he knows it's not going it happen? isn't that a waste of time? >> the repeal of obama care arguably could be described as sort of cat anyplace for conservatives who want to use that as a rallying cry for political battle. big ticket items that mean a lot. democrats and the president just won't go near it the president came up to the hill today and met behind closed doors with republicans for the first time in no one can remember when. and they said it was a productive meeting, et cetera. the democrats look at the republican budget from paul ryan and they say it's draconian and it's not going to work and that the math is phony and everything else. republicans by contrast have to have a point. democratic proposal to increase taxes $975 billion in the next 10 years is going to make an economic recovery a lot harder. in addition, the 97 a billion dollars spending cuts that they claim they're making are reductions in spending. >> it doesn't balance. the democrats have abandoned the idea of a balanced budget and because of that the deficits might be smaller but the now 17 trillion-dollar current debt is going to be much, much higher if it doesn't balance. >> bill: let's just cut to the chase here before everybody's head blows off. you have got a president of the united states who thinks a 20 trillion-dollar debt which is what it will be when he gets out of office is sustainable. i don't think he is ever going to change his mind. he doesn't see it as a big problem. he simply doesn't see it as a major problem. that's one thing. all right. got a democratic party that basically is all in on taking as much money from working americans as they can take. they are just going to take as much money as they can get. all right? then, on the other side, you have a republican party that's living in a fantasy land, saying it's going to repeal obama care when there is obama sitting in the oval office with his veto pen. even if they got control of the senate and the house next time around in 2014, it would never happen it looks to me like that's just an an annoyance thing. okay, just throw it and insult the president. so both parties, they don't seem to want to compromise. they don't want to get the fiscal mess under control. >> they profess to have that desire. and we saw something today that will give us a benchmark. the president either came up to the capitol and met with the republicans as a political tactic and a charm offensive that will be temporary or this is the beginning of a really productive dialogue which is even how some of the republicans describe it. >> what do you think? get you out of your hard news thing. >> come on we have been doing this over and over again for the last five years. >> you think it's a charade. >> something drastic has to happen. it isn't going to come from congress. they have to be forced. they have haven't felt any drastic pain to force them to act yet. >> bill: that's because bernanke is printing money all over the place artificially propping up the economy. all right, cammeron. >> welcome to the capitol world. >> bill: it's just, you know. next on the run down, fervent democrat bob beckel will respond to the budget chaos. later "the denver post," says i your humble correspondent am i bigot because i want denver -- colorado to pass jessica's law. we're coming right back. can cause cramps. but phillips' caplets don't. they have magnesium. for effective relief of occasional constipation. thanks. 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