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been going on for the past four or five days or so. we understand that she is coming up to new hampshire to attend a clam çbake, not here but somewhere else in the state. when asked about it, she said, it s a coincidence that i m going to be there when mitt romney is making the big announcement and i wish him well. of course she has not declared if she will run. the bottom line is she generates a lot of attention, a lot of media coverage. one of my colleagues from a local station said that there are two tornadoes in massachusetts today. the one in springfield and sarah palin in the historic part of boston now. so the bottom line here is mitt romney s going to talk a lot about the economy, he s going to say president obama s a failure, and given his business skills, he s the man, romney, is to lift the country out of the economic doldrums that it s in. i know that sarah palin and the bus tour has no official schedule. she said that over and over. coincidence that she s in massachusetts and going to new hampshire. has the romney camp responded to knowing that she s going to be in the state? reporter: i think they re focusing on this event and on their candidate. they re trying not to involve themselves with too many distractions. that is perhaps one of many things that they re trying to do differently this time. certainly one thing they re trying to do is keep the focus on mitt romney, on the economy, and much of his speech and much of the things that he s had to say over the past months that he s been out there campaigning has been attacks against president obama. right. he s really not focused on the rest of the field. he s focused on the economy, the president, and trying to win the nomination on the side. all right. a good day for chili and clams in new hampshire. good to see you, thanks. let s get more on romney s announcement and his strategy going forward with richard goodstein, principal at goodstein and associates, democratic strategist, and will joel wall kins, republican strategist and one-time aide in the administration. romney is kicking things off in new hampshire where he has the sizable lead with the voters right now. but there are also new numbers out. take a look for everybody. saying more than 1/3 of republican voters have a negative impression of the current candidate. how does romney energize the discouraged voter base that s out there? you know, i think he has a very, very, very steep hill to climbç in that regard. here s why first, you are already seeing there s a big story in the washington post about a lot of people that were with him in 08, in iowa, in new hampshire, managing his campaign, going to other campaigns because he seems authentic even in their assessment. he does because of the flip-flop program. the show is not long enough to go through the list, whether it s gay rights or abortion or t.a.r.p. or the auto bailout, you name it. the list goes on and on. these are issues that most normal people don t grapple with. when they see somebody who wants to be the president of the united states going from one place on to see another on an issue like this, it raises questions. finally, on this core issue of his supposedly on the economy, he s just been wrong, i ll tell you why. first he said the auto the auto industry should go down the tubes. if it was up to him, chrysler and g.m. would have been liquidated. all the suppliers would have gone out of business. ford would have probably followed, and what was a bad recession probably would have become a depression, and when he was governor, massachusetts was 47th out of 50 in job creation. so this notion that reporter: you really don t want mitt romney to be the nominee, do you? tell us how you really feel. but joe, let s richard s really laying out the litany. i want to talk more about the substance, about the policies of romney. one, that he s made very clear, if he gets elected he s going to do everything he can to repeal and replace the president s health care law. although there is romney care in the state of massachusetts. which everyone links to obama care. but why isn t it enough to appease conservatives who really shiver every time they hear romney care and that phrase comes up? you know, if i were mitt romney, i d be delighted that this is about the worst they had so early in the campaign. if you had perceived negatives, you want to face them early. you don t want an october surprise. mitt romney has a great record. i mean what people are looking for, what americans are looking for is somebody to solve their problems. we ve got unemployment,ç we ve got 13.7 million americans out of work and looking for work. we have another couple of million, two million, three million that would like to work that aren t even on the rolls anymore, as people looking for work mitt romney has a plan to put people back to work and fix the economy. that s what they want to hear. they don t care about all the little barb and attacks on his character or in things that he said in the past. he does have a record as a governor. what they do like is the fact that this is somebody who has a plan going forward to put people back to work. gentlemen, before we let you go, i want to talk to you about congressman weiner. he made a statement this morning. let s take a listen. i ll talk to you on the other side. very clear i did not send pictures, that high twitter account had been hacked. and apparently after hours, almost 11 hours of answering questions, anyone that anyone wanted to put, today i m going to have to get back to work doing what i m paid to do. the twitter pic heard around the world. the nickname for richard is whatever. what do you think about look, first of all he s not denying it. and it and the woman on the receiving end is not saying that she was offended at all. this speaks to how the puren interests has taken off and eclipsing discussion of serious issues. there are two models for handling this. one is to kind of slow walk things or semi deny. the other is to do what senator i haven ter d e vintner did we was caught with prostitutes. this is the south park version of politics. i think we re past it. and it s a shame. one of these days, congressman weiner will look become and wish he had done it will look back and wish he had done it differently. he s being transparent. he s transparent, but it hurts when you say i can t say with certitude that it s not me. ce+tainly the late night tv shows have had great fun with it. john stewart is absolutely hilarious, brilliant and funny. he made some very good points. i mean, if you look at it, he did not didn t go to law enforcement to see if he was hacked. he hired a private agency to why waste taxpayer dollars on something so stupid? i understand. it s a silly thing. the upside for the congressman is that certainly he has 100% or close to it nationally, but it s not the kind of name that you want. gentlemen, thank you very much for joining us this morning. richard, joe, we appreciates your time. thank you. back in washington, it s the democrats turn for face time. minority leader nancy pelosi will lead over 100 members of her conference to the white house for an afternoon meeting with president obama. the administration wants a united front on a debt ceiling battle that will be just one step in the fight for economic stability. the american public understands that this is not a crisis that will go away by extending the debt limit. the crisis will maintain, and we need to address it and need to address it now before we get into the election year. we have bipartisan representation. hopefully we will have bipartisan responsibility. nbc s mike viqueira it live at the white house. the ball is really in nancy pelosi s court here. what is the president needing to hear from his party over the next few hours? reporter: well, it s interesting, the ball s in a lot of different courts. house republicans were up here yesterday. we ll get to that in a second. today, moving parts. it s house democrats turn to march up, 180, 190 likely to march up the white house driveway at 2:30 to meet with the president and talk and get on the same page about how to approach the debt ceiling negotiations with republicans. and frankly, a lot of other issues are likely to come up. this are a lot of sore points in the house of representatives, particularly among the democratic caucus. particularly among those on the left which make up the bulk of that caucus. not simply about the economy but also about afghanistan and libya. i want to put down a marker here and warn everybody that you might be hearing news about some discontent on those issues.ç the president begins, begins the withdrawal of american troops come next months. and a lot of democrats have the feeling it s not going to happen fast enough. on the economy, there might be some problems with democrats, as well. both sides can agree on two things medicare needs to be reformed, although there are dramatic differences in the way the republicans and democrats want to approach that, of course. and spending needs to be cut. there are a lot of democrats who are going to say that medicare is fine. we need to we need to reform it, we need to cut the waste, fraud and abuse, we need to make trims. we don t need the total overhaul. they re leery about the approach that is taken on the closed door negotiations being led by vice president biden. when you talk about spending, when you talk about spending caps, when you talk about across the board cuts, that also makes a lot of democrats nervous because you re talking about potentially cutting some programs that are very dear to them, important to them. as a policy issue that very much in favor of. we ll see how it works out. we are no closer to a deal after this week. that is likely to be the case even after this meeting today. thomas? thank you, thank you very much. i think your ride s there. i m not sure. [ alarm ] residents in springfield, massachusetts, are cleaning up the wreckage and what s left behind from this batch of tornadoes that hit the state yesterday. this is the first time tornadoes have hit massachusetts in three years. look at this incredible video showing the power of these ferocious twisters. now in springfield, 33 people are in the hospital with injuries. across the state, though, four people have died and serious damage reported in 19 different counties. witnesses are shaken up, but they are glad to be alive. we had a tornado come down, and took off houses behinds our building. god s hand was over me. i never seen this in my life. we re joined with the latest on what happened. mike, walk us through the cleanup efforts. we see the images behind you. i do understand that the national guard has been called up to help out. çz]7(játñr with governor patricç we ll interview him in a few minutes. he s called up 1,000 national guardsmen and fire and teams from around the u.s. have rushed to the area. 19 communities that were affected. at least two fully formed tornadoes. one of them tracking for about 35 miles. that was key here. it was the ferocity of the tornadoes, 110 to 130 mile-per-hour winds generated by the twisters. also the length of time they were on the ground and clawing at everything in their path. one was 35 miles one was tracked. we talked to a person a few minutes ago who really has a story that explains what happened. she was driving in her small compact car with her two small kids and her mother when suddenly, she said, the storm arrived. she sensed that. the ground in front of her started to rise up. and a huge tree fell over her car. the trunk was curved, so as she put it, it kind of embraced the car. when the second bigger tree fell on top of her, she and her kids and mother walked out without a scratch. extraordinary story. you ll see pictures tonight of the car itself. you ll wonder how anybody got out alive. as has been reported, four people didn t make it out. four storm-related confirmed deaths. injuries in springfield, maybe 200 statewide where people required hospital care or medical attention. an extraordinary and rare occurrence in this part of western massachusetts. they re doing the cleanup now. thomas? mike, senator kerry referred to this as a once in a lifetime or 100-year event. the historic nature of massachusetts in general not a tornado-prone state. reporter: no, not this part of the corridor in western/southwestern massachusetts. from north hampton to sturbridge. everybody knows about sturbridge, hartford, windsor locks. i remember 30 years ago covering a tornado in windsor locks, a bad one. 15 years ago there was a tornado in barrington, great barrington, that killed three people in the same car. but not the wide swath of destruction that we re seeing here. everywhere we ve driven for miles around, you see the deficit reduction of the tornado and how powerful it çwas. the destruction of the tornado and how powerful it was. mike taibbi, thank you very much. appreciate it. getting out of libya, that s what one congressman is calling for the stoumpt do, and the rest the u.s. to do, and the rest of congress may get its way soon enough. what will it mean for president obama? an attack of a different kind. a new report that china hacked into people s gmail accounts in the u.s. some of the victims might surprise you. i love that my daughter s part fish. but when she got asthma, all i could do was worry ! specialists, lots of doctors, lots of advice. and my hands were full. i couldn t sort through it all. with unitedhealthcare, it s different. we have access to great specialists, and our pediatrician gets all the information. everyone works as a team. and i only need to talk to one person about her care. we re more than 78,000 people looking out for 70 million americans. that s health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. welcome back. new nato air strikes blasted the libyan capital today. nato says it was targeting military depots, radar installations, and a surface-to-air missile launch. all this just hours after nato andç its partners announced th the libyan mission would continue for another 90 days. it is a lot to discuss this morning. we want to get straight to it. we have as our guest, mark ginsburg, a person who has a lot of interest and a lot of experience in this having been an ambassador to morocco. good to have you on this morning. what does it mean when we talk about there and the fact that we re looking at another 90 days according to nato being in there? what can be done in that period of time especially in moammar gadhafi is still in power? the problems is that it remain the same problem that s existed for months. the rebels, while they may have cantu capture the can captur the city of misurata is k take the fight to italy. nato has extended the mission by 90 days. the french and british are employing apache and tiger helicopters in order to facilitate greater ground support for whatever may constitute a rebel offensive. south african president zuma recently led a mission to tripoli to try to convince gadhafi to leave. he failed in his mission. we still are at a relative stalemate, although internally inside libya there s been a number of major defections including the oil minister just yesterday. we have what s being called a nato-led mission. the u.s. being the major supporter, and a lot of debate still going on capitol hill now discussing our involvement and how to move forward with this. ohio congressman dennis kucinich did have a resolution on the house floor calling for the withdrawal of u.s. troops from libya or u.s. involvement. we don t have troops on the ground, that is. but what is what does the resolution mean for the debate on capitol hill? does it have the attention of president obama? yes indeed, it does, thomas. in fact, that resolution was pulled from a vote by the republican house leadershipç lt night. and largely because there was great concern in the white house that that resolution may have may receive a significant number of votes and could have passed. and of course that would have been a huge embarrassment for the white house because there s still great separation of agreement between the white house and the congress over what exactly is our libya strategy. are we in for a dime or in for a dollar, and why is gadhafi still there three months after the president said he had to go? well, and here we go again with nato giving us another 90 days for certain. does that just mean that another inevitable extension is coming our way, coming up in 90 days? this collides up against the war powers resolution, as well as this potential vote in the house. it s going to cause the administration to decide how much are we really in for in supporting nato, number one, number two, can the french and the british largely alone with their support give the rebels enough oomph so to speak to get gadhafi to leave. so far, it doesn t look like anything is going to force him to leave except a complete disincigration of his internal command and control structure. ambassador mark ginsburg, great to see you. thanks for your time. thank you. new and dramatic twists. another day in the casey anthony trial. this time prosecutors are going after the accused mother s original story. and a new video by rihanna stirring a lot of controversy in our soundoff segment. should pop stars be role models and watch what they say? 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[ male announcer ] for a deeper clean, fight biofilm with listerine®. a day after suffering their biggest losses in nearly a year, yesterday u.s. stocksç are stabilizing. let s take a look. the dow is now down by 65 points. the s&p is down by 5. the nasdaq down by almost 2. red arrows across the board. first-time applications for unemployment benefits fell last week to 422,000. while it is a drop, the numbers still signal that we re stuck at a level of weak job growth. it s all raising concerns that are leading up to friday s jobs report which is expected to show hiring slowed down in the month of may. the deadly bacteria that has contaminated fruit and vegetables throughout europe is a new strain of e. coli never detected before. the world health organization thinks cucumbers, tomatoes, and lettuce could all be the source this outbreak which has killed at least 17 people in germany and sickened more than 1,500 others. doctors say they ve never seen so many patients with these symptoms who are so young and were previously completely healthy. consumers across europe are being warned before eating certain raw produce. michelle obama and the department of agriculture dishing out some new guidelines for how americans should eat. 50% of our diet should contain fruits and vegetables. doing away with stick figure-promoting exercise but no specific food group on the pyramid now, the new design there it is, simple circle design to evoke a dinner plate, giving americans an idea of what a meal should look like when we sit down to a meal. within the past day, congressman anthony weiner talked with every major media outlet that would listen trying to get a handle on the twitter controversy. still unable to rely provide definitive answers on the pictures making headlines. we had a chance to sit down with the congressman. luke russert, your takeaway from the discussion that you had with the congressman? do you feel he s gotten a lid on this and can move forward? reporter: it will be difficult to get a complete lid on this, thomas, because there is a central question which is unanswered who exactly is in the photograph that was tweeted from hisúajcount to a 21-year-old college girl in seattle. he said in an interview with me yesterday that he wasn t sure if that was him or not. an answer that does not satisfy a lot of folks. a lot of folks are asking for more investigation as to why who exactly it is. listen to what he said about why he s not involved the capitol police in an investigation about hacking. this wasn t my government account. we don t know exactly what happened here. it was a prank. you know, t not a national security thing. i m not sure i want to put national federal resources into trying to figure out who posted a picture on weiner s web site of whatever. i m not really sure it it rises no pun intended to that level. reporter: thomas, the congressman said he s hired his own internet security firm to get to the bottom of what occurred on his twitter account. it is not clear whether or not he ll make the results public. he says he wants to do it to employ better security measures for his tweeting from here on out. probably a good idea. and the congressman has returned to tweeting, it s not like it kept him held up from that. absolutely. he made a triumphant return, in light of the incident saying he has more twitter followers than michele bachmann. all right. light at the end of the tunnel. thanks. pressure it. pop star rihanna is getting criticized for a depiction in violence in man down. in the video the singer is seen shooting and killing a man as payback for a sexual assault. adding to the controversy is a recent twitter message from rihanna herself who says the video has a very strong underlying message for girls. and that brings us to the topic of today s soundoff segment. do female pop stars have a greater cultural responsibility in terms of representeding and empowering representing and empowering women in a violent and complicated world. joining us, melissaç harris-pey at tulane university, columnist for the nation as well as a best-selling author. it s good to have you here. this is an interesting topic to tack tackle today. the video is controversial but is getting a positive message across. so many people know that rihanna suffered from physical abuse in a prior relationship. this is not something that she s doing to make light of. she has a foundation to go forward with this. sure, that s the difficult and interesting part of the video. if we tried as symbolism, as her standing in for women and girls who have been victimized by domestic violence and saying woe weents stand for that, we re going to push we won t stand for that, we re going to push back to protect ourselves, in that way we could read it as positive. the fact is that we live in a world where violence and particularly violence against young men is a very serious problem and one that we re hoping to counter. and that hip-hop has been challenged on that question of violence toward men when men have been artists. this is one of the first time that violence toward men with a woman as the artist has been on the table. you bring up this interesting point in terms of contrast between the female leadership and how women are being treated not only in this country but around the world. explain why there is such a disconnect there. you know, it s interesting because this rihanna video is also being talked about and tweeted about at the same time that beyonce s new video, you know, girls run the world is out. and the description or the anxiety from feminists about that video is that girls don t run the world. that in fact women and girls are in situations of tremendous inequality. here you have rihanna acknowledging that inequality. you ve got beyonce doing an an fwhem women s strength. and all of this happening in an environment where you do have enormous capacity of womenç in the political world. for example, hillary clinton as secretary of state and michelle obama is a visible first lady. so for girls and women trying to navigate this world, there are multiple messas. for female artists, do they always have to sexualize empowerment? you know, i m not sure if they always have to. it certainly is true that commercial success seems to be more attached to, you know, sexualizing their messages. look, at this point, congressmen are getting more twitter followers when their messages have a have a kind of obscene edge apples and oranges. my goodness. yeah. you re right. it is an interesting part of the marketing brand. yes. that female artists may be able to push the envelope a little bit more. however, you know, back to what got us the linchpin here, being rihanna, i get back to the fact that she s going from a place where she s shared what happened to her as a young woman in a relationship. how she was able to get out of that. and how i guess she never wants to go back to a relationship like that. look, as the mother of a 9-year-old daughter, the question of how do you talk about on the one hand the music that they re listening to and enjoying sonically versus the messages that are in the music. how do we protect them from violent or graphic or sexual images, but still at the same time want to sort of give them space to hear women sing, women creating art. we do want to make space for women to tell all of their stories. can t all be kind of a pretty princess story. some of the experiences women have will in fact reflect the realities of this in, quality and violence. inequality and violence. thanks. as we scan the headlines about cell phones and cancer, there s a larger question looming are we becoming too focused on screening for the number-two cause of death. i m talking c.t. scans, pris, p.e.t. scans? are these tests doing more harm than good? time magazine takes on the topic and more in this week s issue. and jeffrey krueger is the senior editor and joins me inç studio. nice to have you here. obviously this is a topic that s going to resonate with a lot of us. you know, people who have had family members who have suffered from cancer or people that have been lucky enough to get early detection diagnosed and cured. but explain to all of us, is it still about catching this disease early before it takes hold and making sure that are you properly screened? well, there are a couple of ways of coming at it. certainly the popular wisdom is that it s always better to catch cancer earlier than later. it s always best to follow all recommended protocols and get your scans on schedule for various key diseases, particularly prostate, breast, colorectal, and lung cancer. but the question does arise how effective is this? catching the disease. and does this, in fact, leads sometimes to problems that could have otherwise been avoided. through the research in your article, what is the i guess the greatest common thank you re trying to tell your readers? this was exhaustively written by one of our terrific health writers, kay piccard. one of the points she made is that you often find what doctors call incidental-omas. when you get better resolution, when you can look at microscopic anomalies and tissue that ordinarily might not be cancer or even if they are so early and nascent that they might not develop into anything. once something like that is discovered, people get on this sort of therapeutic mary-go-round in which merry-go-round round in which biopsies are done, tissues are cut out, meds are prescribed. suddenly you have a cascade effect for something that might have been better left alone. how should every day americans interpret this? the ones that may not go see their doctor but maybe once a year, maybe once every two years for their regular physical? how should they takeç these this new type of research and information that s in this article and put it to positive work in their daily lives without being scared of what s out there? that s right. because you don t want to be scared. on the other hand, you don t. to be derelict. you do want to stay vigilant. i do think that there s certain clear guidelines. a colonoscopy at age 50 and one intermittently after this depending on what s found is critical. mammograms beginning at now the guideline is age 50 as opposed to age 40 because radiation can cause its own problems. every woman should check with her doctor about that. pap smears certainly are are an uncomplicated thing, and generally considered a good psa tests for men are good, except they lead to discovery of a lot of cancers that would be better dealt with with watchful waiting, which is a euphemism for leave it alone, but be vigilant. instead, men are having radical procedures that they don t need. it s a good idea to continue to get scanned in many cases. but what you do with the information you get once if you find some anomaly is the critical question. and obviously family histories do make a different determination for all of us in how we re supposed to be seeing our doctors. i know you make those definitive age markers. for other people it can be different if there s a history of cancer in the family. you certainly see this with breast cancer, heart disease but we re not talking about cancer in this case. and there are specific genes associated with breast cancer. but as we point out in our lead story about dr. oz who talks about his scary colonoscopies, he has had precancerous lesions, and he has zero family history of the disease. and he also leads a very, very healthy lifestyle. yeah. it s important that genetic predisposition is not destiny. jeff, it s a great read. i encourage everybody touxiñi pç up. great to have you here. thank you very much. thank you very much for having me. intern nation? a book looks at what s becoming a big trend. about interns doing jobs at big companies. who wins, who loses? and hacked. google says someone in china broke into u.s. gmail and some of the victims might surprise you. 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[ male announcer ] so don t blame it on aging. talk to your doctor and go to isitlowt.com to find out more. it is a horrifying tale of abduction, sdaftic abuse, and utter helplessness. an 11-year-old girl kidnapped in 1991 and held captive for 18 years in a back yard compound where she was repeatedly beaten, raped, and impregnated by a sexual male offender. justice is being handed down in the case. a judge in placerville, california, will sentence jaycee dugard s two abductors today. we have the very latest. george, do we have any insight as to what kind of punishment is coming down the line for these two? yeah, thomas. phillip and nancy garrido face spending the rest of their lives in prison at the hearing coming up. phillipç garrido who pled guil to abducting, raping and fathering two of her children during her years of captivity will get 231 years to life. his wife, nancy, will be sentenced with no possibility of parole for 31 years. if shi se if she ever gets o she ll be an elderly woman. jaycee dugard is living with her daughters and mother. she received a settlement from the state of california because parole officers never properly checked the agregarrido residen where jaycee and her daughters were kept in the back yard in tents. appreciate it. internships are meant to give college students workplace training specific to their field of study. a new book says that they do more harm than good. it s called internal nation: how to earn nothing and learn little in the economy. ross, it s nice to have you here. i have a copy of the book which is cool. gives an interesting history of internships. they day back to the civil war they date back to the civil war. this is something that was exclusive for medical students. now they re everywhere. you say that that s no good. i m a guy who went through two internships in the tv-broadcasting field. i love them. i recommend them highly to young kids coming up in the profession. why would you say they re not a good thing for people nowadays? there are lots of great internships, no doubt about that. i discuss those in the book. there are model employers, internships which lead to great, productive careers. as an overall system, and this is the first book which tries to analyze the system, it s an unfair and flawed system in many ways. we see more and more serial interns, people who have to do three, four, five, six internships to get ahead. it s a pay-to-play system where people are excluded if they can t afford to work unpaid for significant amounts of çtime. you talk about that, the unpaid aspects. do you feel it is exploitation, or are these young people coming up in a field of interest actually gaining, as you say, there are great internships, but gaining the abilities to know what goes on in the workplace, gaining networking, even gaining whether or not they want to be really indentured to a lifelong of that career? certainly, you know, interns often know what they re getting into. sometimes they don t. when the situation is a good one, they re paid for the work that they do. they receive great training and mentoring, and they often get a full-time job at the end of it. what my book details is that the original intentions behinds internships which were, you know, rosy especially several decades ago when internships really started to started to become prevalent more broadly in the white collar world, those original intentions have gone sour in a lot of cases and you have internships becoming the kind of default mode that you have to, you know, use to get into white collar work. the job market in the u.s., as you know, has been on the downturn for some time now. i know there are even people my own age who decided to go back and take them in a different field. but all in all, would you suggest that people out there not be discouraged by trying an internship i mean especially college kids doing at least one or two to figure out where they re going? what i would say to college kids or to anybody contemplating an internship is don t just jump in head first and believe all of the hype out there. know your rights and your options. don t get caught in the internship trap as has happened to many people where you cycle from one unpaid gig to another, you know, doing work for somebody else s benefit and not getting very much training or advancement in return. so if you need to weigh in, do so carefully but there are many different ways to get ahead and forge a career and working unpaid for somebody else for, you know, theirç benefit and n getting much in return need not be the only way in. it s a very interesting read. intern nation, ross, i appreciate your time. thank you very much, thomas. it is a busy day, a lot happening around here. here s what we re watching for you, residents are being urged to evacuate in south dakota as officials brace for a prolonged period of po mo river flooding. the governor has asked people in flee threatened cities to leave by tonight. and then at 2:30 it s the democrats turn. a day after hosting the house gop president obama will talk to the chambers entire democratic caucus at the white house. the agenda has not been released but talk about raising the debt limit is certainly expected. when it comes to the workplace, boomers feel the older you get, the better you get. in a new associated press life goes strong poll 61% of them said their age is not a career issue. 82% said they did not experience prejudice or discrimination at work bus of their age. many of those over 50 said the younger co-workers actually look to them to give advice and counsel. over 100 years. and today, we re re-inventing aspirin for pain relief. with new extra-strength bayer advanced aspirin. it has microparticles so it enters the bloodstream faster and rushes relief right to the site of your tough pain. in fact, it s clinically proven to relieve pain twice as fast. new bayer advanced aspirin. extra strength pain relief, twice as fast. new bayer advanced aspirin. 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