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MSNBCW All In With Chris Hayes December 9, 2015



>> then a contentious spike lee on "chi-raq" and chicago. >> i didn't get off the turnip truck. >> let me finish. >> and as the leaders of the free world race to try and save the planet in paris, ted cruz held his own climate summit in d.c. today into this is a hearing on the science behind claims of global warming. > "all in" starts now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. donald trump is now putting the republican party on notice. that if they don't treat hip better, he may run as an independent. today he reiterated support for his widely condemned proposal to ban all muslims coming into the u.s. >> what it is is common sense. now, remember this. until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on, we're not talking about the japanese internment camps. not at all. but we have to get our hand around a very serious problem. it's getting worse. >> do you regret urban on muslims which some people think is un-american? >> not at all. we have to do the right thing. somebody in this country has to say what's right. it's short-term. let our country get its act together. >> earlier today, trump tweeted a new poll indicates 68% of my supporters would vote for me if i ran as an independent based and a new poll from "usa today." that wouldn't be enough to win a general election but the threat he began making at the beginning of his campaign and sort of put to rest when he signed the rnc pledge to support the eventual republican nominee and not run as an independent candidate. he held a press conference specifically to show off that signed piece of paper and that the event in early september, i asked him why we should believe he'll stand by the pledge. >> you bragged in the past about how when it suits you, you used bankruptcy laws. you joked to the audience independence alabama about taking the money and screwing them afterwards. why would anyone think this means anything? >> this is a self-funded campaign. we have our heart and soul in it. i don't need money. this is going to be a campaign like i think no other. >> in other words, he did not answer the question. and since then, he's made noises about the importance of being treated fairly. today in the wake of gentle to strong criticism of had his call to ban all muslims coming to the u.s., trump reprised his they're the with that tweet. it may have been triggered by reince priebus who after remaining silent yesterday today told the washington examiner about trump's policy, i don't agree. we need to take on islamic terrorism but not at the expense of our american values. when asked about the implications of trump's plan on the future of the gop, reince said that's as far as i'm going to go. just moments ago, presidential candidate hillary clinton slammed trump's proposal. >> this is both a shameless and a dangerous idea. at a time when america should be doing everything we can to lead the fight to defeat isis and other radical jihadists, donald trump is playing right into their hands. and some of his republican candidates are saying that his latest comments have gone too far. but the truth is, many of them have also said extreme things. they are all driving the exact narrative that have jihadists want to advance. >> today, republican leaders in both the house and senate distanced themselves from trump's position. >> with regard to the remarks by one of the presidential candidates about restricting muslim travel to the united states, let me just first say that would be completely inconsistent with american values. >> this is not conservatism. what was proposed yesterday is not what this party stands for. and more importantly, it's not what the this country stands for. >> other republicans speaking out against the trump proposal include senator john mccain, former senator bob dole, john boehner, former vice president dick cheney and mitt romney. here's the important point. they have stopped short of saying they would not support trump if he were the nominee. sometimes by insisting he will not be the nominee. some republican presidential candidates notably bush and kasich have criticized trump vociferously and others like ted cruz simply said they don't agree with him. >> i disagree with that proposal. i like donald trump. a lot of our friends have encouraged my to criticize and attack donald trump. i'm not interested in doing so. but i believe we need a plan that is focused on the direct threat and the threat we're facing is radical islamic terrorism. >> bear in mind that cruz was holding a press conference on his proposed bill the terrorist refugee infiltration act which is notable. while many republicans are trying to distance themselves from trump and his proposal, his call to ban muslims entering this country is combining two gop policies for syrian refugees and applying them more broadly. senator ted cruz, jeb bush and mike huckabee all favored some sort of religious test for refugee entrance in the wake of the paris attacks. the republican-led house voted last month to pause emitting it syrian and iraqi refugees. trump has taken the religious test and temporary ban and applied it more broadly to anyone seeking to enter the country. now everyone is wondering what will the next step be on his road to what we're calling here -- joining me now former governor and dnc chair howard dean. msnbc political analyst. well, howard, where to start with this. >> another unbelievable day on the campaign trail. >> yeah, i mean. >> unbelievable. >> deeply disturbing. let's start with the reince priebus. you headed up the dnc for a while. there's some level which the head of the party has to remain neutral while a campaign is going on, while a primary is going on. at the same time, you have a candidate floating an idea that's so obviously odious. so sort of toxic that you think they would be stronger. what do you think of reince priebus' statement? >> i think he probably did what he had to do. you're right. i would never have said anything like that. i don't have candidates like trump and cruz to have to worry about. so you know, his problem is he fears for the future of the republican party as he should. so rule number one is, you've got to the stay completely neutral. rule number two is save your party when you're the chairman. i think that's what he chose to do. the two rules conflicted with each other and he did what he had to do. i think that was the right thing to do. >> there's two ways i think of viewing what's happening here. one is that donald trump is tapping into some part of the republican base that is sort of caught up in this nationalist xenophobic fear and suspicion. and you know, he's being condemned by other people in the republican party. the other wave looking at it is, the republican party has laid the groundwork in many ways. >> that's right. >> in the mainstream for what donald trump is proposing. how do you see it? >> i see it as the second. i think this goes all the way back to the southern strategy of richard nixon who made it a deliberate strategy to pull the southern democrats who were racist out of the democratic party into the republican party. and that will really -- that swing group then became republican and that kind of thing has been going on for a long time, even ronald reagan who many people really like used 0 to dog whistle stuff about welfare people driving around in cadillacs. i don't think people were white that he was talking about. i mean, there's a lot of that kind of stuff that has been going on ever since 196 and now it's coming home to roost. this is the election where the republicans have to decide whether they want to appeal to young people who aren't going to put up with any of this stuff no matter how conservative they are economically or whether had he want to ride this pony off into the dust. that's where they're headed right now. >> there's also a debate whether trump is tapping into something specific to this moment in american politics. there's some conservatives attempting to blame barack obama for donald trump's rise. or whether he's just taking advantage of this new landscape both in terms of money and funding and media and the decline of the party's strong institutions to sort of channel a voting bloc that's been there a very long time. >> trump is a master showman. he really is. i don't think he would have gone this way unless he knew what he was doing. one of the things i have counted him out at least eight times since this all started last march or whenever it was. the guy knows what he's doing. the only problem is what he's doing is a not good for the country and probably not a good strategy to win a general election. he could win the republican nomination. >> you really think that? >> i do. i think donald trump right now, he wouldn't get to 50% of the odds because there's so many candidates but he has the best odds of winning the republican nomination of any candidate out there. that doesn't mean he will. but i think he's got a good shot. >> we should note that there are a lot of people speculating part of his announcement yesterday had to do with a in you poll showing him behind in iowa to ted cruz. although polling out today showing him with a pretty commanding lead in new hampshire. howard dean, thank you very much. >> thank you. joining me now john cassidy staff writer for the new yorker who wrote a piece donald trump's is now america's maureen le pen. national front in france just enjoyed a huge victory in the elections there. what do you mean by making this parallel? >> france has long had a national front people which appeals to the disaffected white guy and runs as a separate party. on sunday, they actually won enough seats in regional elections to end up running six major departments in france. so they're actually going to be running a lot of local governments. the message they've been running on is very similar to what trump's been running on, close the borders, marin la pen says no more immigration, no legal and illegal immigration. number one close our borders and shut down islamic mosques, have a crackdown on suspected muslims. generally take a very authoritarian approach similar to what donald trump's been talking about here. >> and one of the things we're seeing here that i think is worrisome is the migration of things that were fringe towards the center. so "the new york times" yesterday i think in writing up trump's proposal had a great clause that said an idea normally associated with hate groups which is a diplomatic way of saying that this is sort of fundamentally odious. and we've seen that. are you watching that happen here in american politics? >> trump has a genius for pushing the envelope. it's working for him. and trump is basically a gambler. he'll stick with it when this strategy as long as he thinks it's winning. first he says let's deport 11 million undocumented -- >> his first day he says they're all rapists and criminals. >> completely impractical policy. everybody says he's crazy. it takes him to the top of the polls. last month or so, it looked like he was dipping a bit and then the french terrorist attack starts. as you mentioned, ted cruz was challenging him in iowa. it wasn't -- ben carson was doing well. if you're trump, you're thinking i need to do something to reassert my lead. bang, france bo blows up. he says let's have a registry of muslims. president obama is not protecting the country. let's crack down on the muslims. that works. all the other candidates support that and he's not differentiating himself. >> the registry of muslims. >> he backed off a bit and said a database. >> a lot of people said -- we shouldn't say all candidates agree with him. >> they agree with the database of suspected radicals. the fact is they went some way in his direction. he had an incentive to go further and comes up with this idea of banning travel to all muslims. we'll have to see if it works in the polls. there's no immediate indication it's going to damage him. >> part of the problem is the logic that's been created and the rhetoric joined by many people in the media and politics in the wake of paris or san bernardino, makes this not as insane or offensive as it might have been. because if you keep look at these people. next question becomes syed farook was an american citizen. so what are you going to do about that? right? you can imagine he's already in favor of rounding up and deporting 11 million other folks. i mean who knows. >> two things need to be said. number one, there's a legitimate worry which lots of people have got they're going to be some crazy guys going around shooting americans in shopping malls. theaters. that's perfectly legitimate. it's perfectly legitimate for people who say what's the government going to do about it. trump takes that legitimate concern and twists it in a very particular direction where he knows the rest of the party can't really follow him because this is such a clear violation of american values, maybe a violation of the religious freedoms under the constitution. he's talking about american servicemen not being able to re-enter the country because of their religion. it's crazy. you think it's crazy. but actually it may be politically quite smart because there is a rebel of concern out there that sort of goes to the trump's central strength which people don't think of him as a regular politician. he'll say anything and do anything. one lesson is howard dean said this, people have been looking for the breaking point forever from almost the first day. there is no breaking point. i don't think this will be a breaking point. some percentage of people want this. he's giving it to them, a. b, whether it's politically smart or not, there are real genuine consequences both around the world and here. we're going to be talking about some of that when people start talking like this. yuan cassidy, a great pleasure, thank you. coming up, the industry of islamaphobia and debunking the poll that will donald trump touts at the reason to keep muslims out of in irk. plus a former george w. bush official who has been accused of being a secret muslim radical will join me. and later spike lee gets candid about his latest film "chi-raq." my interview ahead. >> part of the objection to that term -- mom. the twins. aunt alice... you didn't tell me aunt alice was coming. of course. don't forget grandpa. can the test drive be over now? maybe just head back to the dealership? don't you want to meet my family? yep, totally. it's practically yours, but we still need your signature. the volkswagen sign then drive event. zero due at signing, zero down, zero deposit, and zero first months payment on a new jetta and other select models. if a cold keeps you the up at nightis... you can't just catch up on sleep the next day. new alka-seltzer plus night cold & cough liquid relieves tough cold symptoms and quiets coughs for up to 8 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found thrown at a local mosque overnight, an incident that was captured on surveillance tape. also it's not the only potential hate crime reported today. a somali restaurant in south dakota was set on fire where nazi graffiti had been painted on the exterior. we'll take a deeper look at islamic xenophobia next. this is the one place we're not afraid to fail. some of these experiments may not work. but a few might shape the future. like turning algae into biofuel... ...new technology for capturing co2 emissions... ...and cars twice as efficient as the average car today. ideas exxonmobil scientists are working on to make energy go further... ...no matter how many tries it takes. energy lives here. this was from the center for security policy, very highly respected group of people who i know actually. this is people living in this country. 25% of those polls agreed violence against americans is justified. as muslims. 25%. >> unveiling his plan to keep muslims out of country last night, donald trump cited polling that claims to show large members of muslim americans support jihad against the west which is terrifying if true but of course, it's a terrible poll. as georgetown's university points out it was a nonprobability based on this survey conducted online by a conservative polling firm which means the results don't really mean anything in any scientific sense. there's the matter of the group that commissioned the poll. the center for security policy which trump up calls highly respected is run by a man named frank gaffney, a former reagan official who is called one of the nation's most notorious islamaphobes. he's advancing the campaign against the so-called ground zero mosque in new york spreading the theory the american muslims are plotting to replace the constitution with sharia law and accuse the obama administration as being a front for the muslim brotherhood and calling for mccarthy style hearings to root out the infiltrators. among the specific individuals he's charged hillary clinton's aide huma abedin, supreme court justice elena kagan and perhaps most head scratchingly anti-tax crusader grover norquist. gaffney wrote a whole book accusing other republicans of forming an islamist front group. that was enough to get him barred from cpac, the annual conservative gathering. the center for security policy stood by the poll findings trump cited and said the southern policy law center by slanderously americans who raise warnings about islam is aiding jihad's perpetrator is by suppressing speech that is critical to them. >> this is not a fringe figure. some of the presidential candidates participated in a forum he already hosted over the summer in new hampshire. he's holding another one in las vegas on monday on the eve of the next republican debate. we will be waiting to see just who attends. joining me now, a former official in the second bush administration who has been accused by frank gaffney of having ties to the muslim brotherhood. those are spurious allegations to be clear. suhail, i want to hear from you the connection between the groundwork that's been laid by individuals by frank gaffney and what trump did yesterday. >> hanks for having me on. absolutely, frank gaffney for over a decade has been insidiously smearing the good name of americans in public service, folks as you pointed out on both the republican and democratic side of the aisle just because of their faith and because of these efforts, he's been marginalized by members of congress, by senators, by various groups particularly conservative groups who has paul ryan has rightly pointed out about trump's comments that there is no place for such bigotry within the conservative movement. unfortunately, unfortunately, he has been able to take his bigotry to presidential candidates like dr. carson and now donald trump and has pushed this bigotry out into the mainstream of the campaign. unfortunately these candidates have taken his bigotry and this bogus 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