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0 weapons destroyed too. israel attacked because they could not bear the thought of those weapons being transferred to its enemies in lebanon then potentially in the future being used against israel. so israel decided not to wait for the weapons to be transferred to lebanon but to strike before they left syria. >> how real are the chances at this point that syria will in some way, shape or form retalia retaliate? >> well, there's -- the nerves are on edge here as you can imagine. the syrian deputy foreign minister declared israel's action what he called it an act of war. so israel on edge, they've transferred two sets of their iron dome, antimissile rocket system to the north of israel, one in the city, one set up in the city in the north. in case of any rocket attacks from syria or, indeed from lebanon. although they're taking all precautions necessary, there's no real sense that syria will attack israel, but israel's taking all precautions. >> our man on the ground in tel aviv, martin fletcher. as always, thank you, sir. pennsylvania democratic senator bob kasey on the foreign relations committee. what do you know about the events of the past 24 hours in syria? are you being briefed at this point? and if you are being briefed, by whom? >> hey, craig, most of the information i have is what most americans have, which is the news reports. but if the reports are correct, that israel has, in fact, taken action here, i support, i think a lot of americans would support their right to protect both their sovereignty. but also their interests by ensuring that either chemical weapons or conventional weapons don't end up in the hands of hezbollah or other extremist forces. and what we have to make sure we do, as well, is to protect our own interest in that region. the -- any transfer of those kinds of weapons, i think, is not only trouble for the region but i think in our national security interest. >> let's talk about our interests in that region, this particular juncture how real is the possibility that because of our long standing alliance with israel. how real is the possibility that syria somehow retaliates israel didn't retaliate. all of a sudden the united states gets drawn into a conflict through no fault of our own. >> we have national security interests in the region, as well. every single day of every single week, both iran and hezbollah are plotting against us, trying to carry out terrorist attacks against our people. you know the reports were the iranians were planning to set off a bomb in a washington, d.c. restaurant. these are two major threats to the united states. that's why i think you're seeing a concerted effort in the congress. senator rubio and i have legislation that would focus on ways our government can play a constructive role in resolving and bringing to an end the conflict in syria. whether it's humanitarian aid in addition to what we've done. we've done a lot. support for the political opposition. i think you're saying a consensus or bipartisan effort to play a constructive role. so what happens in syria doesn't strengthen the regime in iran and hezbollah. senator bob casey, thank you for your time. >> craig, thank you. as the violence in syria escalates, the president's critics claim that president obama's leading from behind on his foreign policy crisis. here's rudy giuliani on "meet the press" this morning. >> a lot of action could have been taken a year ago that may have precluded this. i think they'd be well advised to be more proactive, things are heating up. >> what will the u.s. involved going forward? joining me from washington, former middle east negotiator jackie skucinich of the washington post. good to see all of you on this sunday afternoon. what more could we have done to prevent the situation from deteriorating to the point we are now. >> there have been calls for a long time for americans to be more involved in providing aid to rebels opposition forces in syria. it is unclear whether aid would fall into the hands of islamists and people opposed in the united states. it gets messy at this point. you wrote this article recently and say in part, there's a lot that's merurky for syria right now. a messy situation is about to get a whole lot messier. messier in what way? >> well, we have to set this in a broader context. we're coming off the two longest wars in american history. where the standard for victory iraq and afghanistan was never could we win but when could we leave? and extrication is not the kind of metric you want to judge the performance of the greatest power on earth. i think the president is really in a conundrum, really, because there's no single act that he can take right now that would significantly change the military or political arc of this crisis. we have to get away from the notion that there's an immediate solution or game-changers. we've seen the introduction of chemical weapons, israeli strikes now, twice within the last several days, these events aren't going to fundamentally altar the conflict either. the president is under enormous pressure and i suspect in coming weeks what you're going to see is limited lethal assistance provided to certain syrian opposition groups carefully vetted. and for the syrians use chemical weapons again, i suspect the president will respond with air strikes and cruise missile strikes against syrian air assets. no easy end here. >> aaron david -- >> it's going to get worse before it gets worse, i'm afraid. >> even if we provide this limited lethal aid that you're suggesting, or sounds like you're suggesting this is what happens over the next week or so, doesn't sound like that in and of itself is going to resolve the whole situation. >> right. look at the reality. we were in iraq with several hundred american forces. and what sort of influence do you think we really had ultimately and will have in afghanistan on the ultimate disposition of these nations. i think the problem is the relationship between military force in these situations and the end state is highly arguable. and the president in my judgment, i know it's hard to watch has been pretty cruel and undisciplined in understanding that. >> jackie, how much does a weary, war weary public at this point, how much does that limit president obama's options? >> it definitely does. but he did say in costa rica, he rolled out american boots on the ground at this point saying it wouldn't do americans or syrians good to have them there at this point. that seems to be off the table. there's a war weary public right now. polls say the bulk of the public doesn't want american troops in syria or american involvement. now that tends to change when chemical weapons come. the president has put himself in a box, especially with this red line comment he made. there's a great piece in the "new york times" talking about how that comment was off the cuff. >> yeah. >> and it surprised a lot of his staff because it did put him in a box and now he's left with a bunch of really not great options. >> all of us have been talking about that front page article in the times this morning. it really is striking. but i want to go back here. let's talk about some of the political ramifications potentially, we see republicans putting pressure on the president to act. what kind of pressure is he starting to face from within his own party. or is he starting to see pressure? >> well, he echoed president obama's comments this morning on the sunday talk show that the israeli air strike proves the capabilities that the syrians had were not as great as was -- that was the argument that was being used getting involved in syria, that their capabilities were really strong and they have shown they can penetrate. you're seeing some democrats come out against it. but traditionally, you're hearing it from people who are known to be hawks. and the american public is still very skittish as jackie mentioned. we're very war weary, this country. and so there isn't this strong political pressure on president obama to move on military intervention. if this crisis drags on, it could be viewed in the larger lens of how is president obama leading on the syrian crisis? >> secretary kerry's mission tomorrow is one that's going to take him to moscow or vladimir putin, of course, has been unrelenting in his support for assad. how does this complicate that trip? >> well, the reality is if kerry could work out some sort of understanding with the russians on this, it might begin to generate the kind of pressure, both on the iranians and the regime. but i think putin was so fundamentally suspicious of the united states role, he's seen america remove all of his clients. and he has no intention of resolving this field to the americans. the other reality is, he fears the extremist regime in syria and has his own problems in the caucuses with these sunni fundamentalis fundamentalists. i think putin on this one is going to be wary of kerry's message. he's going to say, look, you've got the chemistry piece of this which is introduced, the israelis are striking. can't we find some way of introduces some resolution in the security council? 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