we saw it last night. we were over here about a half mile away to the east called devil's corner. right along the rio grande, and with the rain coming down and mud everywhere, it was a messy situation. families were coming across the rio grae rio grande. they're carried across in rafts and present themselves to the authorities on the american side. and we saw several groups being picked up by the border patrol. we have some pictures we shot there last night of families and children turning themselves into the border patrol and being processed and taken away. it continues. for the slow down, we're hearing there is a slight slow down maybe about a quarter to a third down from a couple of weeks ago when they were getting 14 to 1500 a day. now it's about a thousand a day. sometimes less sometimes more. the question for the agency is this a trend or a blip right now? there's a lot of speculation about whether the fact that train from central -- bringing central american residents through mexico called the beast which derailed a couple of times in the last week is the reason that not so many are coming to the border right now. there are some thoughts that this is july which is typically a slower month. the smugglers were selling trips to the passengers telling them they had to be here by june 30th to meet a deadline for entry into the u.s. a false claim. it may explain why in july the numbers are down. the biggest question being asked is the messaging from washington. the get tough messaging you'll be detained and sent back is that reaching central america. we're hearing some indications perhaps it is now. all of those are questions. they're being studied in central america and here to see why this slow down is occurring and whether, because the train is up and running, we'll have another busy weekend. we'll have to see. things are going on on the border. >> can you put in perspective the overcrowding at the detention facilities. we talked about how the border patrol will stop sending people to southern california. remember, they were turned around in marietta. what is like there? if not southern california, where are the vast overcrowded population, where are they going to be housed? >> the official explanation being given for the stoppage in california is that because of the law they don't need to send them right now for processing. it was a processing move. they weren't staying there very long. they were being process there had and moved to other facilities after that. the explanation is because of the law that's being done. there's the other fact that there was not exactly a warm welcome in that area for the people arriving. there was a lot of controversy. so we'll see, you know, where they go next. i don't know what they're going to do. but they have a system in place now where the kids are taken to nogales, families y s ties to e others to california. flights are continuing but the numbers are down now. so perhaps that explains why they can take a little bit of a breather with numbers that are more easy to manage than the ones they had before a couple of weeks ago. >> okay. mark potter. thank you very much. on the heel was that bring in the former democratic governor of new mexico. thank you for joining me. as governor of new mexico to 2003 to 2011 you dealt with the issue of undocumented immigrants crossing the border. in that fiscal year about 6500 children were apprehend there had. the number grew to 10,000. 20,000 in 2014. nearly 0,000 so far this year. if you were still governor, sir, how would you handle the surge? >> what i would ask the president to do is what he has asked the congress. you needs more funds for detention centers and immigration judges that speed up some of the issues of deportation. i would crack down more on the traffickers and smugglers. the law passed on to protect the kids from central america on sexual trafficking by the bush administration was the right thing to do. the problem is that this kind of loophole took advantage -- was taken advantage by a lot of these illegal traffickers that are exploiting these kids. these kids are not the villains. that's a first thing i would do. i would also, alex, try to find more flexibility in the law so that the homeland security secretary can deal with some of these deportations more easily. i would not try to change the law. i think the law on sexual trafficking for these kids protecting them from repression in el valve door is the right thing to do. you clearly need the resources to deal with the immediate humanitarian crisis. >> what about the president not visiting the border during the trip to texas on wednesday and thursday? there are some democrats that include texas congressman who critical of the decision. a representative of texas supported his not going. what do you think? >> i don't think he should have gone. it was a photo-op. the symbol shows the disfunctionality of the government. the congress has been unable to pass a comprehensive immigration bill that deals with the problem, that deals with the issue of securing the border. putting more technology and funds on the board for border protection. that deals with a path to illegalzation for the 11 million here. it deals with having more skilled immigrants come into the united states. you know, immigration reform is an economic issue. you know, i've joined the group called american competitiveness that find ways to make the message that comprehensive immigration reform creates more jobs, reduces the deficit, is good for this country economically. so, again, it's a symbol that we don't have if the president went down there. i agree with him not going down there. somehow we can't get anything done in washington, which is the reason for this crisis that we have at the border right now. >> what about the crisis with regard to housing these people? you heard talking about homeland security johnson. he's going to put them in a temporary facility in new mexico. ironically, it's at the federal law enforcement training center. the same facility where all of these border patrol agents are being trained to keep illegal immigrants out the u.s. the white house is saying that the undocumented immigrants are going to be sent home. governor, is the only course of action for the white house? >> well, i think there's got to be a legal process. they have to have the deportation hears. we're a nation of laws. but at the same time we have to recognize that this is in need of a comprehensive solution. and had we had comprehensive immigration reform, we would have had the issues related to the rules of the road on the issue. on securing the border, on more technology, on more detention centers, on more judges. we would have had the funding to do that. but since we don't have that, this crisis was caused by some smug lers, bad people that are exploiting children. the children that are escaping, that are coming to our boarders are not the villains. they're the victims. but we need to find a way to address this problem on a comprehensive basis. thank you very much for your time. new dees about the man police say shot and killed four children and two parents. he appeared in court a short time ago. as you can see here, he appears to be faint. he had to be taken out of the courtroom. our utah affiliate report he's has a history of domestic violence in that state as part his divorce. the judge ordered him to undergo psychiatric evaluations. his own mother was afraid of him, it appears. >> alex, 33-year-old ron lee ca haskell had a court appearance today. he is charged with killing six members of his ex-wife's family. six different colored balloons released into the air. symbols of the lives lost in a deadly shooting in the houston suburbs. late wednesday night, police officials in harris county say ron lee haskell forced his way into the home of his ex-wife's sister, cay city stay and her husband stephen trying to find out where his ex-wife and children were live. the stay's five kids were the only ones home. haskell holding them at gunpoint until their parents returned and opening fire on all seven members of the family. the sole survivor, 15-year-old cassidy stay, bleeding from a gun shout wound to the head called police to tell them where haskell was headed. >> we were able to dispatch deputies to the location. he was >> he is armed and dangerous. >> after a slow speed pursuit and a 3 1/2 hour standoff haskell surrendered to authorities. this, his latest run in with the law. in 2008 a guilty plea to domestic violence for assaulting his wife. >> he had been hurting her and she decided to leave at that time. >> haskell's wife filed for divorce a year ago agreeing to a mutual restraining order with haskell only having supervised visits with their four children. then just last week, haskell's 61-year-old mother filed this restraining order. saying her son had duct taped her wrists and choked her until she passed out, then he told me he was going kill me, my family, and my office who stops him. this morning back in texas, a community mourns the loss of cassidy's family. the lone survivor is being hailed a hero. cassidy's grandfather released a statement last night. it reads in we are in ah of her bravery. she may have saved our lives. alex? >> thank you so much. coming up, another crisis for the obama administration. one of america's closest and important allies germany expels a top american spy. up next i'll talk with a former obama administration official on how sensitive this is for our relationship with germany. plus house speaker boehner unveils his lawsuit against the president. the target is the president's health care law. and george clooney is taking his feud with a british tabloid to a new level. he's refusing to accept an apology. we'll have report from dlon on that. you can join our conversation onli online. you can find the team on twitter @"newsnation" [ female announcer ] hands were made for playing. legs, for crossing. feet...splashing. better things than the joint pain and swelling of moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. if you're trying to manage your ra, now may be the time to ask about xeljanz. xeljanz (tofacitinib) is a small pill, not an injection or infusion, for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well. xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers have happened in patients taking xeljanz. don't start xeljanz if you have any infection, unless ok with your doctor. tears in the stomach or intestines, low blood cell counts and higher liver tests and cholesterol levels have happened. your doctor should perform blood tests before you start and while taking xeljanz, and routinely check certain liver tests. tell your doctor if you have been to a region where certain fungal infections are common, and if you have had tb, hepatitis b or c, or are prone to infections. tell your doctor about all the medicines you take, and if you are pregnant, or plan to be. taken twice daily, xeljanz can reduce the joint pain and swelling of moderate to severe ra, even without methotrexate. ask if xeljanz is right for you. of moderate to severe ra, even without methotrexate. okay, movhow do i win?yone wins. because we're streaming the movie that you love. well, how do i win? 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>> as you pointed out, this has been an extremely sensitive issue in the german american relationships since last spring when the nsa disclosure broke. the first chapter had to do with meta collection and we had a second chapter when the news came out with reports on spying on the cell phone. and now we're in a third chapter with these alleged double agents having been expose. the u.s. has a no spy agreement the germans asked last year it's not been negotiated. the administration has been firm in saying they will not negotiate on such an agreement. >> interestingly, in terms of timing, secretary of state kerry has a previously scheduled meeting with germany's foreign minister. any concerns about tense relations over that. >> what the meeting shows us is how deep the relationship with germany is. germany is one of the most significant partners and allies of the united states. and while the spying issue is clearly a very sensitive one in the relationship, we worked closely with germany on a whole host of issues from ukraine, as you mentioned, to iran which we'll be discussing in coming days. >> of course. i'm curious the timing and not informing the president. literally being blind sided by the cia that this top american spy the berlin station chief had been expelled from the country. then he calls the chancellor and doesn't know about it. that's not cool >>well, it's clear that this issue is extremely sensitive for the german side. and i'm certain that the obama administration is committed to i are solving it and will work closely with germany in doing so. >> the fact that the cia didn't inform the president about this? 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