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the jury decides. first is premeditated murder first degree, and there is aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter of a child, four counts of providing false information. my first question is, was there a lesser included of second-degree murder? >>guest: yes, required by law if either party asks in a first degree murder case for a lesser second must be given and punishable up to life. >>greg: that is depraved mind, dangerous act, showing indifference to human life as i read the statute. but, can these--. >>guest: done with ill will or spite. >>greg: and that is from 16 years to life. and premeditated and felony, can a jury find casey anthony guilty of multiple death charges? >>guest: they can find her
smell of death inside casey anthony's car. take a listen. >> the only thing in that bag of an organic nature was like cheese that i passed around, and the doctor admitted that cheese in that bag could never create an odor still detectable by the against expert two years later. the myth of the garbage has been disproven. that smell was not officer -- not from garbage. it was from caylee. >>greg: effective? >>guest: absolutely. and another witness, cindy anthony says that. and this points out a point ashton made, a terrific
into casey's daughter, caylee, swimming if the pool, saying she loved to swim and she could have accidentally drawned. here she is standing up at the sliding patio door inside the anthony home and her grandmother testified she was strong enough to open the door and he took the jury right back to that car of casey anthony we heard so much about, the car that smelled like human decomposition but baez pointed out at least ten people around that car at the time did not smell death. >> you still have an abundance of people who did not smell something. this is the reasonable doubt when you have this many people, this many people who are telling you a certain thing, you have to have some doubt. fill baez admitted to the jury, my client did a lot of things
>> she was asked repeatedly while in incarceration, what about drowning and suddenly on the opening day of trial it's a drowning. what do you think? >> i don't get it. i don't know why baez having all that discovery seeing she said that, will go with the drowning theory or a sexual molestation theory but in his defense, he has a tough case and he has to throw everything out there and that is what he did. again, the name of the game is not an acquittal, the name of the game is to hang this jury, help for a second time go around so maybe there could be a better offer in the case. >>greg: given the proven lies that casey anthony has shown throughout the last three years, maybe she is in the telling baez the truth? >>guest: i'm shocked. of course she in the telling the truth. she thought she could get away. for a long time, for 31 days she
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jury for three hours. as they deliberate. and now to phil skeeting live outside the courthouse in orlando, will we get any warning when they reach a verdict? phil: as soon as the court finds out the jury has reached a verdict we will all, we and the media will find out about the length of time it takes for an e-mail to go out and in 30 minutes the jury, the spectator, the against team, the prosecution team, and the defendant, casey anthony, will assemble in the courtroom upstairs behind me in the orange county courthouse on the 23rd floor wherefore six weeks the nation has been riveted by the testimony of this trial. outside of the courthouse after the jury went into the deliberation the against team walked out and baez and mason and additional attorneys with them all, surrounded by several dozen media types, cameras, boom
positively to testimony and other times negatively. you have seen anything? >>guest: yes, juror number five, it is interesting, i have noted each time the against would note something they thought was a slam dunk she would notice. and when it came to casey anthony she felt concern for her. she has a connection with casey and i thought i will run a scientific jury selection and i want to run that because i want to see if it will identify who the dangerous jurors are and juror number five came up the highest most dangerous juror for the prosecution. >>greg: this telephone conversation replayed in court, a lot of people in the newsroom the jaws were dropping. we heard casey anthony and the way she was talking to her mother and the profanity she was using. i suspect this was played by the
>>greg: so the prosecution played some tapes today, jailhouse conversations, in which casey anthony is lashing out at her mother and she is vulgar in her language and self absorbed demanding all kind of things and cares more of her boyfriend. was that a smart move? >>guest: absolutely. what the prosecution was doing is taking the jury back. it has been a long trial and the jury was moved by certain evidence in the beginning and have forgotten it by end of the case. the prosecution was taking them back and letting them hear tapes they heard at the beginning they may have forgotten that highlight the fact that casey's behavior is completely in consistent with a mother who lost her child through accident. or through kidnapping. so this was a very good way to plant in the jury's mind before they deliberate the story doesn't make sense. >>greg: judge, thank you, we will be back in a moment. casey anthony's attorney took
disintegrating because he was trying to kill himself. >>greg: i am not sure lewis carol would appreciate this analogy. is it appropriate? >>guest: baez has a very, very, very difficult case and his job is just to raise reasonable doubt. and he has done this with a couple on the jury. a couple of them will not like the fact that the prosecution has not proved how kay low died and that is important. that could be a hold out. and that is what baez was doing in the case. i don't think there is a criminal against attorney that will tell you that casey will be acquitted of any of the charges but i will tell you a lot of them that believe baez is searching for the one or two hold out. ashton did a great job in getting a reality check but baez was effective in looking for the one or two punch knock out and getting the one he needs to hang the case.