connection to yesterday s massacre. today s killer was dressed the same all in black and wearing a bulletproof vest. that gunman also still on the loose. hundreds of police reservists are being deployed to paris for a burst of violence that has been unsettling as it is tragic. in the meantime bells chime and a nation pauses to mourn. [ bells chiming ] from the notre dame cathedral to mosques around paris, one of the busiest cities in the world came to a halt for a minute of silence earlier today. it was an extraordinary moment as parisians and many people around france pause to remember the horror of what happened here just yesterday. we re covering this developing story with resources only cnn can offer, our reporters, guests and analysts are in place around the world to cover all the angles of what is still a very fast-moving story. as you know the manhunt still under way. the two gunmen still the two suspected gunmen still being hunted down by police. i want to go to atika shubert who has been following much of the police activity let s begin with that manhunt. cnn s atika shubert just left the gas station where the suspects were allegedly spotted. where are you headed right now is quha is the latest you ve heard? reporter: we have seen helicopters circling the area and a number of police convoys with their sirens flashing heading off past the gas station and there s been a number of tactical looks like police tactical units also on the move. now, there are reports that the two suspects have been located in this area but we have not confirmed that with police. we don t know specifically where, but what we can see is helicopters in the air and police heavy police units definitely traveling in this area past the gas station. so that s what we have at the moment and we do know this is of course, an ongoing manhunt so we can expect from police at some point to give us some more details about what exactly is the latest they have on these two suspects whether they have in fact located. atika, can you explain what happened at the gas station? this occurred as i understand it overnight, there was an actual robbery there. reporter: yes, what we understand is that at 10:30 this morning, so a few hours ago the two suspects came in a car, they were armed, and the gas attendant said he was threatened they stole gas and food and left in the direction towards paris. french police have not independently confirmed those details yet. i was at the gas station, it was swarming with police. number of plain clothed officers were inside the shop there gathered around the cash register appeared to be looking at something. we don t know exactly what that is. it may have been cctv video. we saw a number of cameras outside, also a farn sick van that was parked just outside and taking materials in and out. they took photographs of the exits and entry points at the gas station. it looks as though they re trying to find out more information about where they were going and what they were doing at the gas station. we are learning more about the brothers in their early 30s one known to french authorities. atika, this one suspect has a history with the justice system in france. reporter: yes, cherif in particular cherif kouachi. this is a man known to police because of his involvement with an extremist network, particularlyparticular particularly he was put in prison in 2008 for trafficking or helping people recruiting them to travel to fight in iraq. he had a number of links to extremist groups and was involved in a plot it appears around 2010-2011 to free another extremist from prison. so this is somebody who was definitely on the radar of french authorities but it s not clear if he was somebody who would be considered for example a tier one suspect or somebody who was more on the fringes. his brother, said kouachi, is less known, but they re quite close in age, considered to be quite close so that may be one reason they re involved in this together but we don t really know what cherif kouachi has been doing in the last few years. so this is the big question that french authorities will be looking to answer. what was he doing? why wasn t he more closely monitored. right, a tier one suspect which you mentioned, just to our viewers, that would be what french authorities consider the highest level of threat and would warrant basically round the clock observation, around the clock tailing. if they re not a tier one suspect, they may be known to french authorities it doesn t mean they re under observation around the clock. and this third suspect, the younger suspect who turned himself in, do we know much about him at this point? reporter: we don t know too much about him. what we know is that he s 18 years old, the police named him as hamyd mouraz. he saw his name on social media and turned himself in. we got in touch with someone who claimed to be a classmate of his, says he was in school at the time of the shooting. but he does appear to have some connection to the two other suspects and he was kept by police byfor some time and questioned. they haven t released any details of what his connection is exactly. all right, atika shubert we ll continue to check in with you. the manhunt, huge amounts of resources here in france being devoted right now. i want to take a closer look now at the suspects themselves evan perez, cnn s justice reporter joins me from new york. evan you were reporting last night the u.s. law enforcement were aware of at least one of these suspects. what are you hearing? well that s right, anderson both of these suspects it turns out were on the u.s. radar as a result of the fact that they were being watched by french authorities. as you mentioned these weren t at the top of priority for french law enforcement. there s hundreds and hundreds of these types of suspects in france and so it s a labor-intensive thing for you to do 24/. monitoring. cherif kouachi in particular was more worrisome but it doesn t appear the french had full surveillance on him the entire time. that s one reason why he was able to show up yesterday and took some time before he figured out he was there. this is going to raise worrisome questions for france and u.s. and law enforcement everywhere where you have these foreign fighter problems where you have extremists who are talking about going to travel to join these jihadi causes because it s almost impossible for you to have full monitoring on all these people and so you never know when one goes from being suspected of trying to do something to carrying out something like this. there are a number of transcripts from trials he was convicted in 2008 he wanted to target jewish targets in france but had been convinced by a radical cleric to actually focus on going to iraq on getting others to go to iraq as well. right. this is we ve seen the reports as well in french media. it s not clear exactly if the french authorities believed all of those claims whether this was just part of thes doier they had built up on him. it s interesting that very quickly yesterday if you compare what happened at the magazine yesterday and what happened in the boston bombing here in the united states it took some time for to you figure out who your suspects were. they pretty quickly started understanding who they were looking for, partly because one of these guys said kouachi, had left his i.d. behind in the car, and that helped the investigation speed up and certainly quickly the french authorities sent information about these two guys to the u.s. to see what they had on them and that s what they ve been doing the last day, anderson trying to build basically a map, mapping all their contacts to see anybody who knows them they ve been in touch with because right now they re trying to figure out who might have helped in this attack and whether or not anybody knew about it beforehand. and obviously of particular interest once these guys are caught would be for law enforcement to determine as you said their movements, their most recent movements and whether or not they have gone overseas whether it s to syria or elsewhere and what kind of contacts if any they have with other groups. right, and anderson we ll continue to check, go ahead, evan. i was just going to mention one last thing, one of the other things they re worried about is if there s any follow-on attacks. the french are treating some other incidents that happened as possible terrorist incidents so the question is whether there s something larger here in the works, because these guys are still on the run. are they going to carry out other attacks, are there other people they need to be looking for. yes, evan perez, as i said we ll check in with you as developments warrant. i want to discuss more about this manhunt and the suspect. i m joined by cnn national security analyst peter bergen cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes and charlie winters from the quilliam foundation expert in islamic militants, he tries to counteract islamic extremism. tom, what is your impression of the way so far that the search has gone for these two men? well i think that the french counterterrorism forces are expending a huge amount of effort and resources to try to find the two men. there are many conflicting reports as to where where these guys are. i ve seen a few reports that they re said to be driving near the gas station but later turned out that probably won t true. there is a dearth of evidence and it s important everyone remains rational reporting this. people are watching this closely and are quick to jump to conclusions who is perpetrating offenses and what more is to come. it s important to maintain a rational head right now. tom fuentes, as you watch this manhunt under way, how do you think it s going? from the outside, anderson you don t know were these terrorists so stupid they accidentally left an i.d. on that front seat of the car or you know was somebody else s stolenism d. known to law enforcement left on purpose to provide false leads? we just don t know and i think that that s all the type of leads as just mentioned you have so much false information, false sightings. the public tries to help but in many ways you get an avalanche of information that s hard to sort out which ones are good leads and which ones are not so good. peter bergen the shock here that this magazine this newspaper would be targeted for these cartoons people asking could this happen in the united states. you actually wrote an interesting article that i read yesterday really detailing how this already has occurred in the united states in terms of people attempting or interested in killing people who have drawn cartoons of the prove ed muhammad muhammad. yes, we ve had four americans, anderson who have been involved in these conspiracies two serious, one david coleman headley from chicago, instrumental in the mumbai attacks, killing 166 people. he spoekd out the newspaper which similarly to charlie hebdo published cartoons of the prophet muhammad in 2005. he had a plan to do a mumbai-style assault on the newspaper, they were going to behead people in the building they were going to use multiple gunmen had some similarities to what we saw that went on in paris, and you may recall jihad jane colleen larose the pennsylvania native who traveled to europe in order to kill another cartoonist swedish cartoonist lars vlix and two other americans in the united states conspiring to get people to kill the south park show creators who had an episode they portrayed muhammad in a way some people found insulting. anderson astonishingly those seattle cartoonists, molly norris who has been living in hiding for many years because she did a campaign to do cartoons called everybody draw prophet muhammad day. she was advised by the fbi to go into hiding and as far as i can tell she remains in hiding many years later. remarkable. peter bergen charlie winter tom fuentes, thank you for being with us. this manhunt very much under way. i want to show you some of the remarkable pictures that we have seen over the last 24 hours. tens of thousands of people wearing black, black stickers enclose claiming je suis charlie charlie, i am charlie. they showed solidarity with the victims of the terror attack occurring in paris. in the u.s. hundreds turned out to show their support for freedom of expression with a boston is charlie rally. as we go to break take a look at some of the front pages of french newspapers and their headlines on the attack. we ll be right back. right when you feel a cold sore, abreva can heal it in as few as two and a half days when used at the first sign. without it the virus spreads from cell to cell. only abreva penetrates deep and starts to work immediately to block the virus and protect healthy cells. you could heal your cold sore, fast, as fast as two and a half days when used at the first sign. learn how abreva starts to work immediately at abreva.com don t tough it out knock it out, fast. with abreva. you think you take off all your make-up before bed. but do you really? 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in france there have been a number of attacks over the last several weeks, people driving vehicles into pedestrians and a shooting last night of a female police officer killing her, though we don t know the motive behind that. this is a shift we ve been afraid of in law enforcement, the terrorists were not going to go to their act where they die for their cause and the reign of terror ends that day. we ve been afraid that trained individuals would make attacks and multiple groups attack different cities and countries and go away and remain operational and continue to spread the terror. it doesn t end after the incident is over. that s something we ve been fearful of and what you see in france they have an infrastructure protection plan in place. after the attack you saw police and soldiers in the high visibility areas. if if for nothing else making people feel comfortable as they go about their day-to-day business. there s a high visibility presence and that will prevent other attacks. you saw last night at a traffic stop officers doing traffic duty encountered an individual engaged in a shooting. timothy mcveigh was caught because he didn t have a license plate on his car and an officer did a motor vehicle stop on him. they have to make sure they keep a couple things the posture to protect the political infrastructure and make people feel safe, protect the crime scenes and recover all of that information to make sure there s no forensics evidence that they can link to anyone associated with this. this wasn t these three individuals. they re well trained, well armed and well equipped and they had a plan and that didn t happen overnight and there had to be other people involved in helping them. the other thing you have to be careful of is the information is going to come in fast and furious. the french police have to make their assessments of that information and control the officers responding. i m sure the citizens are calling in with concerns and suspicious items. you ll see police going from location to location trying to deal with the 911 calls and they ve got to remember that the information can sometimes be bad, you have to vet that information out. how concerned are you from law enforcement standpoint about this kind of attack frankly in the united states. it doesn t take a huge amount of training. it doesn t take a huge amount of, i mean you know these guys had two rifles that we were able to see, ak-47 style rifles, and though they have may have had had some training it s not as if they were highly trained commandos from the tactics we could see during the videos of the attack. how concerned are you that something like this could happen in the united states? very concerned. it s one of the things i ve been doing along with some of the other folks that i work with in groups like the saitel group trying to prepare law enforcement, homeland security and first responder force the mum pie type of attack that could happen anywhere around the fwloeb. the weapons are harder to get in france than in the united states so that s a possibility that could happen but we have to we can t let that ruin the day. we have to remain vigilant have plans in place and be responsive and ready to minimize any casualties or any damage that they can do if the attacks occur by being prepared and well trained. daniel linskey, thank you. we ve talked about the search for suspects and increased security in the country and around the world. as france observes a national day of mourning today, we want to take a moment to remember the victims of this terror attack. 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brothers cherif and said kouachi. they re considered armed and obviously dangerous. french media citing police reports saying they robbed a gas station outside the city about an hour northeast of paris, almost three dozen police officers are on the scene of that gas station, taking forensic evidence. they can be seen transferring a number of items from the station to the forensic vehicles also developing overnight, a policewoman shot and killed in the southern suburbs of paris. minutes ago we learned it is being treated as a terror attack. it is not known if there s any connection to yesterday s massacre but witnesses sayed to s killer was dressed the same all in black and wearing a bulletproof vest. that killer is still on the loose. hundreds of police being deployed in paris for the burst of violence unsettling as it is tragic. i m joined in paris by our chief international correspondent christiane amanpour. the amount of resources poured into the manhunt are enormous for france. it is the biggest manhunt in living memory after the biggest terrorist attack in a decade. this is a huge problem and these are on the run and armed still and we were talking about how they had gone to a gas station. the owner of that gas station said that he recognized them from all the press. media reports. the media reports and not only that he saw other arms in the back of the car. this is quha is beingwhat is being reported and why the police are at the gas station trying to figure out what s going on. few hours earlier the authorities started to ramp up security and close off some of the so-called gates into paris. there are several gates from various different directions into paris in case that car is headed back here with those two. so that s the state of affairs. on top of it you have a policewoman being killed. in a separate. in a separate incident that alleged killer still on the loose and as we just said they re treating it as a terror incident. yerler this morning when that unstarted to unfold they were not saying it s terrorism, didn t know what it was all about but now they are saying terrorism. they re not saying it s linked yet. they don t know whether it is or not but a policewoman was shot gravely wounded and has since succumbed. and yet we have seen this remark i talked to so mean people yesterday there was horror and shock and still that sense of shell shock today. there is this resolve. we saw it not only here in paris but throughout france and western europe tens of thousands of people come out protesting bearing witness to the horror of what happened and kind of raising pens, raising signs, raising cartoons. remarkable to see. it is it remarkable and that really is the story. yes there has been a terror attack but in much the same way, just popped into my mind as those passengers on the flight on 9/11 took the flight down into pennsylvania rather than let it crash into another target here people and they re saying this is our 9/11 people are standing up and waving their pens and writing their own homegrown signs saying france is not afraid. charlie still lives, charlie hebdo about come out next week 1 million copies they say and money given to them by other media organizations to help them bring out if the attempt was not only to silence this magazine to stop these kind of cartoons and silence freedom of expression it s had the opposite impact. it definitely has had the opposite impact. the syndicate of imams here has made a call to all the imams of all the mosques in france for them tomorrow on friday at friday prayers to forcefully the greatest strength the imams said to condemn this act of violence and terror. there is a huge mass demonstration planned for here in paris and around france for saturday and we ll see how many tens and hundreds of thousands come out. it s incredible what happened. as you mentioned last night, 150,000 all over france and you say elsewhere in europe as well. so this has had the opposite effect. it s also one thing to hold up signs saying we are not afraid but to do it at a time when there are gunmen on the loose and there is very real danger. exactly right. in the city and so for people to go to a place that would obviously be a target of somebody who wanted to make a terrorist statement, it really is a sign of their fearlessness. it is and to that end, law enforcement authorities are also trying to figure out, are these two alone? did they have a wider network, not just maybe one other person but a wider network behind them. are there other targets? we don t know that kind of thing, how planned was it. how big is the organization. there were a number of arrests made overnight. about seven overnight. not clear what connection they may have had. there was a lot of law enforcement has been looking closely at the videos that were taken by a number of journalists and others the cell phone camera have you had yos because to try to analyze anything you see hand signals being made by the gunman. there were questions could there possibly have been other people observing on the street that those hand signals were being given to. we don t know. we don t know at this point. having looked at this area this is the area right down there where charlie hebdo is and there are all these streets and alleys that lead on to the main road. having looked at that and traced back what they say happened these gunmen engaged several times with police and they were able to get away and for some reason they go out onto the main road and travel down to the big plaster de bastille where they kill the other policeman for no good reason. it had nothing to do with this attack. so often in attacks like this before we ve seen gunmen stay in the location, really planning a suicide style attack waiting for others to come. this is not it. the fact that they wore masks and had an escape plan they wanted it seems to remain operational. yes and to try to get away and everybody is saying this marks a departure. this is now the confrontation between as has been written and theorized between faith and freedom of expression. these people want to shut down anything that they deem offensive lp. salmon rushdi more than ten years ago there s this theory of shooting writers and cartoonists down. people are walking by still with flowers this morning during the moment of silence, there was a huge crowd here. people started to applaud, they brought candles, they brought their own as i say notes and signs saying this is war and we will not surrender. there is that feeling of being in the midst of something greater than just this incident. it is truly something that has changed france. casian amanpour thank you. still to come cartoonists go online in support of their fallen colleagues it comes as a writer for charlie charlie hebdo announces it will soon be back in the hands of its readers. they ll print a million copies come out next. we ll tell you more after the break. eeeeeeeeeeeeeee financial noise financial noise financial noise financial noise welcome pack. we are live in paris, a few blocks from the offices of charlie hebdo, that were attacked yesterday. the area is still cordonned off by law enforcement. there s a makeshift memorial a few feet from where i m standing. hundreds of people have been coming in streams all throughout the morning silently paying tribute to those who lost their lives here some leave flowers, some leave pictures some lighted candles. many just want to be here and bear witness and stand here in objection to the horror of what happened here. following the paris attack cartoonists around the world are showing solidarity with their slain colleagues charlie hebdo, many going online to express their sorrow outrage and hopes that this tragedy will not stand in the way of free speech. australian cartoonist david pope with three simple words he drew first has gone viral. and in an interview with the times the pope spoke out on the attacks and his wish that france will be united and not divided as a result. it s up to what happened that ka are toonists would be targeted for drawing pictures. we know how powerful images are and something that cartoonists are well aware of this visceral and almost irrational power the image, an image has and but to see that attract the sort of violence we saw last night is shocking to everyone. hopefully in europe there s a response to this sort of violence where people say we will not allow our communities to be divided by either the far right islamaphobia or extremist jihadist islamists, that communities stick together people of different faiths stick together and france s culture continues. joining me now is paul ackerman editor-in-chief of the t the the huffington post . according to one of the magazines writers, he said we can t let them win. give us a response on other french media outlets here. the response has been huge on the emotional wave. every team shows their solidarity as the citizen as you said before yesterday what a mazed me how during the day the security was not the victor. the victor was the emotion and solidarity because it was a symbol of freedom of speech that has been targeted and that was really huge here. do you believe that this will have the opposite effect of what the terrorists want? it seems like if anything charlie hebdo is better known than ever before the cartoons they publish have been seen now more than ever before. they re going to publish an edition of 1 million copies next wednesday. if the idea was to silence not only this magazine but freedom of expression do you believe the terrorists failed? yes, really like every media now is working in the memory of those killed and i think even if we realize with this attack that it can go so far, it can go until death, i think the effect should be the opposite as expected. paul ackerman of the huffington post i appreciate you spending time with us this morning. thank you. i 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i think these gun attacks are the wave of the future. i think these kind ofd gun attacks are a wave of the future. we ve seen them in the united states before with nidal hasan, the ft. hood shooter in 2009. there have been a range of other plots involving guns in europe. there s a lot of concern about returnees coming back in the syrian assad, skilled in killing, some reports that the two brothers had traveled too syria. those have not been confirmed by french authorities. a lot of concern about these returnees. 200 individuals thought to be back in france who fought in syria and iraq. 400 believed to be there now. a huge problem in europe with over 3,000 european national whose have fought in syria and iraq. this is a new generation of trained terrorists. groups like isis aren t necessarily even telling them to g and launch attacks or orchestrate the attacks. when they come back they re launching attacks often on their own steam. we saw that with the brussels museum shooting this past may when a french isis veteran came back to europe got a cal learn kov and killed people in cold blood at the jewish museum in brussels anderson allegedly. paul the difficulty for law enforcement, particularly here in france with so many potential suspects who, as you said, either interested in going to syria or have already gone or may be come back is just following them. even though french law enforcement clearly knew about one of these brothers who had been involved in the judicial system, who served time for trying to go to iraq trying to recruit others going to iraq in 2008 after going on trial, he clearly, it doesn t seem he was not a tier one threat and, therefore, was not followed around the clock? anderson that s absolutely right. french security services have opened investigations from a survey lance point of view for up to 5,000 individuals. it s not practical to monitor even a fraction of those people 24/7. french security services are spread really really then right now. they just don t have the resources to meet this unprecedented threat in france described by the french prime minister before christmas as the greatest ever terror threat the country has ever faced. in western europe, they ve never witnessed anything like this because of the large numbers of radicals who have gone the syria and iraq and who have got terrorists training there and are now coming back. a lot of concern, also about lone wolfs inspired by isis equal for lone wolf attacks in europe and in france specifically. we ve seen that just in the last couple weeks in france. we saw two denseincidence, people driving their vehicle into crowds as well as the knife attack where the guy was shot to death. paul we ll continue checking with you throughout the day. we ll be right back as our coverage of the manhunt here in france continues. bulldog: well pup, it s out with the old and in with the new during mattress discounters year end clearance sale. pup: look! i found a red tag! bulldog: that means folks can save up to 40% on clearance mattresses. pup: oh! here s another! bulldog: that means up to 48 months interest-free financing on tempur-pedic. pup: i found another red tag! bulldog: what? 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not there. there is more than enough time for the senate to consider in a thoughtful way the record of a nominee that i present and to make a decision. that s not all he talked about. he also had a blunt assessment of the republican front-runner. i continue to believe mr. trump will not be president. and the reason is because i have a lot of faith in the american people. and i think they recognize that being president is a serious job. it s not hosting a talk show or a reality show. and as we said, we got new polling numbers on the state of the south carolina race, first cnn s pamela brown joins us with more on a president who had quite a lot to say this evening. what more did the president talk about in his plan to nominate some of the supreme court? anderson, this is the first time the president is seeking questions in the wake of justice scalia s death and took a tough stance. as you heard, he said the constitution is clear, both he and the senate have responsibilities in filling a supreme court vacancy. he says he expects republicans to consider any nominee he puts forward no matter what, they have a job to do until they are voted out and he made the point whoever he chooses will be so indisputably qualified that republicans will essentially look bad if they refuse to even consider that person. although, anderson, he would not give any hints about who is on his short list, and he said don t jump to any conclusions about whether he s going to choose a moderate. it was also, i mean, interesting to hear him just as we played, talking about donald trump. that s right. he he spent a lot of time talking about donald trump today saying he will not be president, said that flat-out, that people are too sensible to vote for someone like him. he also suggested that trump is not qualified for the job. he has promotion and marketing experience but doesn t have the credentials to be president and he said trump is not the only republican candidate who he finds troublesome. let s take a listen to what he said. i think foreign observers are are troubled by some of the rhetoric that s been taking place in these republican primaries and republican debates. i don t think it s restricted, by the way, to mr. trump. i find it interesting everybody is focused on trump primarily just because he says in more interesting ways what the other candidates are saying as well. so he may up the ante in anti-muslim sentiment, but if you look at what the other republican candidates have said, that s pretty troubling, too. he may express strong anti-immigration sentiment, but you ve heard that from the other candidates as well. it s not often, anderson, you hear a sitting president talk about an opposing party s presidential candidates like that. it s interesting to note he took a much different and softer approach when it came to the democratic presidential candidates. yeah, i mean, he talked about hillary clinton, not quite an endorsement, though. yeah, it seemed like he was trying to stay above the fray and not play favorites between bernie sanders or hillary clinton, though he did make it clear that he s known clinton for a long time. here s what he had to say about that. i know hillary better than i know bernie because she served in my administration and she was an outstanding secretary of state. and i suspect that on certain issues, she agrees with me more than bernie does, on the other hand, there may be a couple issues where bernie agrees with me. so there you heard it. certainly not a ringing endorsement of clinton, though in past interviews he has seemed to lean more toward clinton and just recently his former press secretary, jay carney, said that obama would like her to replace him in the oval office. anderson? pamela brown, thanks very much. more now on the court battle. president obama clearly not backing down from what could be his final big fight with a republican congress. joining us now, jonathan turley. gloria borger. and our inside politics anchor, john king. john, when president obama engages donald trump even if it s to say something negative about him, does that help trump in a way or at least elevate him in the minds of republican voters? sure, it elevates him with republican voters and mr. trump at a town hall right after mentioned the president s criticism and said he took it as a badge of honor, took it as a compliment. remember when trump said he d ban muslims coming into the united states. president obama came out and criticized him, hillary clinton came out to criticize him. trump is also in a direct debate with the president of the united states. and he s a few days away from a primary in south carolina and he s happy for that debate. gloria, is it possible that president obama s underestimating just how much donald trump has connected with certainly the conservative electorate? you know, i think president obama knows how to read polls, and he understands how well donald trump is doing. i m here in south carolina. he s doing really well here in south carolina. so i don t think the president is really underestimating him. i think the president doesn t like him. period. i mean, don t forget, donald trump originally accused the president of not being born in the united states before he said that ted cruz wasn t qualified to run for president because he was born in canada. and so there s no love lost between these two folks and this is also a president who clearly wants to see a democrat elected because if he doesn t, his legacy is really endangered and that s why i believe he probably wants to see hillary clinton elected because bernie sanders wants to change obamacare. and professor, when it comes to the supreme court, the senate can t stop the president from nominating someone to succeed justice scalia, the president can t stop the senate from ignoring his nomination, so does somebody blink? well, that s right. i mean, this is a power the framers gave to both branches, so the president does nominate, but the senate must confirm. and if their advice and consent is no advice and no consent, that is certainly within the right to do. i think the better approach is to give a nomination, if he can find someone who actually wants to be the subject of that hearing. i mean, it s like joining the navy to be a target buoy. it s not exactly a promising naval career. but if you could find someone who s willing to run that, that risk, i think the senate should give them the chance. but at the end of the day, president obama is the answer to his own question. he says what is the senate going to do? he filibustered justice alito and though he had qualms at the time, he did exactly what he s telling the republicans not to do in many respects. yeah. john, the president, i mean, he s got no incentive but to back away from this fight, no one believes he s not on firm constitutional grounds. it s more a matter of politics really and he s got no more campaigns left to run and it also maybe sets up something that spurs democrats to go to the polls and vote against republicans. right. so, anderson, the president will take this in two phases. number one, he ll fight for his pick because he thinks he deserves to make the pick and he ll fight for his pick because if he knows he get to appoint the one for antonin scalia, tip the court from a conservative 5 -4 majority to a progressive or liberal 5-4 majority. if a democrat wins the white house in november, this could be the obama court for a generation. he understands legacy value in the pick. he ll fight for it. if he doesn t get it, he ll go around the country trying to turn out votes to help democrats win the white house to make sure at least a democrat gets that pick next and if he does that, he will make the case and you can bet on it that republicans blocked him because he s the first african-american president and they didn t give it to him because of his race. that will when part of the president s argument in november. but first he s going to fight to see if he can get them to blink, anderson, and his biggest case there will be trying to influence the republican senate majority at risk this year, too, not just the presidency and the president will try to sway some of those borderline republican senators to try to get them to blink. gloria, it s interesting, we got senator mcconnell who s saying the senate will essentially ignore whatever nominee the president puts forward. senator chuck grassley who chairs the judiciary committee seems to have slightly left the door open actually holding hearings when the president nominates someone which is obviously a key step in the confirmation process. yeah. i think what you see in chuck grassley is somebody who s under a huge amount of pressure, anderson. you know, this is somebody who s running for re-election for his seventh term. originally he sided with mitch mcconnell saying forget it, we re not going to do anything. he got criticized back home by the des moines register. that s a problem when you re running for re-election in that state. he kind of backed off now and i think he s got pressure from his committee democrats and so the question is, who does the president nominate as jonathan turly was talking about? and that s what grassley has said. he said, let s wait and see who the president nominates. you know, these fights are always contextual. if the president nominates somebody that grassley believes ought to be given a hearing in committee, he ll give him a hearing in committee. he s got a lot of power but he s also a politician that has to get votes back home in iowa. go ahead, professor. that s actually the interesting dynamic in who he selects, he s selecting someone to win. right. or is he selecting someone for attrition? if he wants to select someone for political attrition, i d go for lynch, loretta lynch. i was impressed with how she handled herself. she has a great family story. she comes with some opposition from her earlier vote, but she d be great if you re looking for political attrition. if you re looking to win, there are some wonderful candidates there, too, but the important thing is any moderate is going to move this needle to the left. i mean, you re replacing scalia. you re never going to find someone with that profile that s acceptable to the white house. we re gik oing to watch it closely. professor, thank you. john, gloria, stick around. a lot more from the campaign trail, ted cruz launching a new verbal rocket at donald trump. and the passing of justice scalia. i am benedict arnold, the infamous traitor. and i know a thing or two about trading. so i trade with e trade, where true traders trade on a trademarked trade platform that has all the. get off the computer traitor! i won t. 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(cell phone rings) where are you? well the squirrels are back in the attic. mom? your dad won t call an exterminator. can i call you back, mom? he says it s personal this time. if you re a mom, you call at the worst time. it s what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it s what you do. where are you? it s very loud there. are you taking a zumba class? south carolina is the state where politics can certainly get rough, but where the toughest shots are frequently stelt lly attacks and sometimes whisper campaigns. this time around no one is whispering, marco rubio calling cruz a liar, trump never at a loss of words defending his attack on rubio at saturday s debate. i was being hit and hit and hit and i was really happy with the way it came out. i mean, i had to be very tough because, you know, you got to do it. i m being hit by rubio at the end because he said, oh, i agree with them. where did this guy come from? here s a guy, i watched him it s true. i mean, all of a sudden he s agreeing with jeb and i said, i said, van, i said, where did this guy come from? two weeks before at the other debate i watched him melt. he was melting. he was sweating. i thought he just got out of his swimming pool. donald trump in buford, south carolina, tonight. in a moment, new polling that to provide the first hint of how voters responded to his performance at that debate. first, his ongoing battle with ted cruz. joining us from charleston is sunlen serfaty. the attacks from the republican candidates are coming from all sides. what s the latest? reporter: that s right. they really are, anderson. it was interesting to see ted cruz today out campaigning when he was speaking directly in front of voters, he largely seemed to try to take on a different tone, gone were any large-scale or direct attacks on his opponents. he really seemed to try to almost connect with voters on how nasty this race in south carolina has turned. he called it today a circus and said the time for the games are over but make no mistake about it, this is not a thawing of tensions by cruz changing his tone a bit on the campaign trail. ted cruz and his campaign are very squarely focused on the opponents in south carolina, very squarely focused on taking down donald trump and specific they re just the attack in very different ways. did cruz go eveafter trump i different way? reporter: he did. this is a big mark of defiance today by ted cruz and his campaign really digging in their heels against donald trump. they released a five-minute web ad. it was ted cruz speaking directly to the camera for five minutes, all about donald trump s record on abortion and this is one of the big issues that donald trump keeps laying in to ted cruz about saying he s a liar because he s misrepresenting, in his opinion, sfa stance on abortion. ted cruz looking right to that camera. that s a very specific message he s sending to voters saying that donald trump spent most of his life before this election enthusiastically supporting pro-abortion. of course, donald trump, anderson, wasting no time responding calling that another smear. all right, sunlen, thanks very much. the question is how well is trump s brand of blunt language playing in a state where manners often matter? he put it to the test in the debate oef tover the weekend an have our serious polling since then. john king is breaking it down by the numbers. trump has a big lead in south carolina. should he be concerned about anything? yes, let s take a look at the numbers. you re right, let s start with the big lead. cnn/orc poll, 22% for ted cruz, 38% for trump. then rubio, bush, carson, kasich. that s a healthy lead. look at that with a few days to go and think, wow, this is a lock. here s where donald trump has to worry a little bit. in the calls before the debate, donald trump polling at 40%. post-debarkte he went wasn t to 31%. carson and kasich got a bounce post-debate. donald trump is coming down after the debate. there are some signs perhaps of an opening for the other candidates. here s one other quick point. half of south carolina republicans say they re locked in. they ve definitely decided. 20% leaning one way so they re gettable. and 30%, 31% are still deciding. so they re wide open. so if trump was coming down because of the debate, there is an opportunity for his rivals, but remember, a pretty healthy lead and not that much time. where does that lead come from for trump? if you look through, number one, a majority of the voters in south carolina are likely to be evangelic evangelicals. sunlen was mentioning ted cruz with an appeal, saying donald trump before this was pro-choice. 42% of white evangelicals in south carolina who say they re likely to vote in the republican primary are for donald trump almost a 20-point lead. 19 points over ted cruz. this is what has the cruz campaign apoplectic. they can t figure it out but can t peel them away. trump s support, look at on the issues, the economy matters, trump has a 44-point lead over cruz, when republicans in south carolina are asked who will best handle the economy. 35-point lead. who would best handle immigration. who would best handle isis? 44% trump leads on who would change d.c. trump leads on all the big issues up here. cruz is second on all these issues, but 44 points change d.c. 44 points in the economy. yes, on gop values, just barely makes it. on social issues, ted cruz wins. that s not what the voters are looking for. they re looking for someone who s tough, strong on the economy and someone who will change washington. when you look at the issues portfolio hend heading into the final days, trump looks like he s headed for back to back wins. i want to bring gloria borger back in. trump, can he maintain that through saturday? ted cruz and jeb bush are not letting up on their criticism. reporter: well, i have to say it looks good, anderson. there are two fwhunumbers i pay attention to in shk zk from the voters. one is trump has the best chance to win in a general election and also 60% believe he can bring change to washington. what are elections about? they re about winning and bringibring i change. sunlen was talking earlier about cruz talking about abortion. this is trump s achilles heel. this question of values. and cruz and trump are pretty tied in that. but even if cruz were to go ahead of truch mp on that score i m not sure it could be enough to sort of win the primary down here. i think i think if trump kind of sits on his lead, doesn t make any huge mistakes, i think he s looking at a verdiictory h the question is, does the abortion issue, no pun intended, trump the economy, isis and all the other things trump has this huge lead? john, with new hampshire and iowa, we talked a lot about scenarios coming in second or third could be considered a win for candidates other that trump. at what point is a loss just a loss? if cruz or bush or rubio can t beat trump in south carolina, where can they beat them? you make a great point. they all say they plan on going on, they all believe donald trump will eventually unravel. at some point if trump can win new hampshire and win south carolina, the big thing if he wins south carolina, anderson, a lot of people will look at the margin, was he coming down in the final days, did somebody get close, is there an indication as we move on to the more crowded primary calendar that perhaps some of the attacks are ataking an effect? number two, is ted cruz second? ted cruz is going to go on, anyway. if ted cruz is second, he can try to make the case i m the evangelical tea party candidate as we head into a calendar that goes heavily into the south in the next few days but we still have the question we have had from day one of this race. will there be, not who will it be, will there with one mainstream establishment alternative to trump and cruz? marco rubio thought coming out of new hampshire it would be him, if he stumbles in south carolina does jeb bush who barely survived new hampshire stay in the race longer? can kasich surprise us in south carolina? or does that three-way race for the establishment vote go on to another day? maybe absent one of those candidates if the money dries up. but unless and until that question is answered, most people still think if you had to bet today, trump has the greatest odds of winning the nomination, ted cruz second and the establishment lane is a giant question mark. gloria, jeb bush who has pulled out his mom on the campaign trail in new hampshire, now his brother the former president george w. bush yesterday on the campaign trail, i mean, if he doesn t come in third in south carolina does he continue on? reporter: look, i think he s got a very difficult choice if he doesn t win, place or show. he brought out his brother who s really popular here. he s got a 77% approval rating in the republican party. and if that really doesn t help jeb and they ve spent $100 million on this campaign, if you re an investor in this campaign, you re going to start asking some really hard questions. there are a lot of big funders who have kind of been sitting back waiting to see who does get that establishment lane to himself. jeb wants it. i think if he has a poor showing here, they re going to have to really reassess where they go. and john, i mean, south caroli carolina s governor nikki haley, big name in the republican party, said today it s safe to say she s not going to endorse tr donald trump, unclear if she s going to endorse anyone. by ruling trump out, does that exempt her to criticize her in these final days before the primary or is there any point in her doing that? he has plenty of other people he s running against. let s watch and see if he does that. she s very popular in the state. i ll make this distinction. remember the iowa governor said you should not vote for donald trump. donald trump used that to his advantage. the establishment in your state is out to get me, the establishment in washington. donald trump is fighting the big voices people don t like especially grassroots republicans. he s fighting president obama, fighting the republican establishment. nickki haley is popular in the states. that might require a bit more calibration for mr. trump to let it go and focus on his voters sometimes he can t resist. gleoria, to be clear, george w. bush is no longer on the trail for his brother, is he? reporter: no, i think it was a big showing and whether he ll come back out again, we deon t know, but his mother is going to be out on the trail so it continues to be kind of a family thing. gloria, thank you, john king as well. just ahead, republicans on the attack as the south carolina approaches. will the republicans get tougher? 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i m thinking about it very seriously. we re thinking about it. well, if it happens the lawsuit might just be more civilized than much of what we re seeing on the campaign trail. more now if our tom foreman. i have never, ever met a person that lies more than ted cruz. reporter: for the republicans i just said ted s tough saying things that aren t true. reporter: it s getting dirty down south. one word coming up again and again. liar, liar, liar. reporter: the desperate fight for the lead or at least a strong showing is driving a torrent of attacks on a litany of causes that can excite and enrage conservatives. gay marriage, abortion, immigration. we do not need someone in the oval office who mirrors and inflames our anger and frustration. the last thing we need is another bush. that i can tell you. that i can tell you. reporter: the gop debate in south carolina featured the sharpest exchanges so far. you fight isis first. this is a man who insults his way to the nomination. i don t know how he know s what i said on univision because he doesn t speak spanish. second of all in espanol. reporter: the palmetto state has a long history of nasty political tricks. in 2000, john mccain was hammered by rumors he had an illegitimate black child. in 2007, mysterious christmas cards to voters suggested mitt romney favored polygamy. other republicans have been accused of infidelities, secretly wild ways and much more, all untrue and usually from unknown sources. so, some of the current attacks like this ad by cruz appear tame by comparison. south carolina cannot trust donald trump. i m very capable of changing to anything i want to change to. don t give him that chance. reporter: the only two contenders who seem above the fray, if barely, ben carson and john kasich who sums up the race. it s like we had a demolition derby. reporter: and it may get worse yet. some of the nastiest tricks tend to show up right before the voting. fliers misinforming voters about where they can cast their ballots or smearing candidates so late they have no time to respond. and of course, leaving no clues as to who was behind the dirty work. anderson? tom, thanks very much. joining us now, veteran of south carolina political contest, republican consultant, former state republican party chairman, caden dawson, cnn political commentators amanda carpenter and jeffrey lord, he s a trump supporter, former white house political director in the reagan administration. she s a former communications director for senator ted cruz. kayden, let s start with you. things seem to be getting tough in south carolina with days to go, nothing really all that surprising, and last night you talked about how in south carolina they also don t like politicians whining about how tough things are. do you see any of the candidates being able to catch donald trump, though? probably not, but donald trump s done a few things that i find amazing. he has threatened to file a lawsuit in a republican primary against another candidate which usually would disqualify you. he has insulted the former commander in chief which would usually disqualify you. he has called just about everybody a liar and they cal d ed him a liar which would usually disqualify you and his numbers are pretty solid. what am i to say about it, anders anderson, except for this is odd and weird. it is south carolina. there s plenty of time left. in your poll that i saw earlier, there s still a 50% number that s shame bl and movable. i contend ted cruz probably hurt himself again today bantering back and forth with donald trump because you don t seem to win that banner. if donald trump is talking about anything than illegal immigration in south carolina, he s having a bad day. that s what brought him to the party, so far. skbrjeffrey, it s interestin katon talking about donald trump is sort of teflon, i fell like we ve been having that conversation for six months. maybe this is the first time in south carolina but i feel like, i mean, isn t that the same story we ve been showing since the beginning? it is, anderson. you and i an amanda and others have talked about this until the cows come home.d amanda and oth have talked about this until the cows come home. it s the same story all of the time. this poll is interesting. look at his numbers on immigration, he s far and away ahead which i think, perhaps, just my opinion here, is contributing to the lack of effect that the bushes are having because, of course, both president bush and jeb bush are well known for their moderate views on immigration. and when you ve got donald trump out there by such large numbers on immigration, i think that perhaps, you know, there are a lot of voters out there that see him as on the wrong side of the fence. they they like him, they may love him, but they think they re on the wrong side here. amanda, i want to play video from a youtube camera senator cruz put out earlier today blasting donald trump. let s listen. a candidate that can t be trusted to protect the right to life can t be trusted to protect any of our other god-given rights, either. when you look at the voting records of politicians, what you ll find is if they re bad on life, they re always, i repeat, always, bad on everything else, too. how effective do you think this is? i mean, to katon s point, there s a lot of folks in south carolina still undecided or not exactly locked in on who they re going to vote for, but in that poll, social issues were pretty far down the list in terms of what people were looking for. with the economy, with isis and other things and they scored donald trump high est in all those. it gets to the core question, what does donald trump believe on an issue that is the most important moral issue? he s been all over the place on it, he said in the last debate that he thought planned parenthood was terrific. ted cruz is right, if people don t have a strong moral bearing on the life issue, they re usually malleable on so many other things. and so he s cruz has got to keep making the case to that evangelical voter. your last poll showed trump up 42%. you know, he s got to keep making that pitch because it does speak to the fundamental broader question about donald trump, where does he come down on any given issue, and is he driven by any sort of moral compass, moral principle? the answer is no, but you have to keep making that case. you know, katon, it is an interesting dilemma and a dilemma that frankly his opponents have been wrestling with since he first entered the race which is how do you fight against somebody who seems impervious? it s like one of those superhero movies where, you know, one of the superheroes is impervious to any blows. i mean, how do you, for his republican opponents, how do you fight against that? do you have any tips in south carolina? anderson, you try to get him one-on-one. that s what they re trying to do. they re trying to thin the field down. it s not happening yet. if you look into the cnn poll, you saw it was rubio versus trump, it s a 44%-44% matchup. there s your frustration of certain candidates, let s get on him one-on-one. kasich is making a little bit of a move. carson is going to stay flat, in my opinion. bush got a one-day bump. as good of friends as they are of mine, i don t see that he s got to get in double digits and that s going to be hard. rubio is in a pretty good place. cruz has got to get out the vote, and today i went by trump office and there are a lot of cars there, anderson, so he s gone ahead and bought himself a ground game, so we ll see, but, i mean, i ve talked to campaigns who say we just want to be there when we can get him one-on-one if it s not too late. that s the thing. jeff, i mean, katon raises a great point which you have all these other candidates wanting to go one-on-one with donald trump not wanting to drop out because they don t want to this on that opportunity, but the fact that nobody is dropping out means it s a divided field and that benefits donald trump. it does benefit donald trump. you know, i ll tell you one little anecdote, anderson, when i got home from cnn from new york on sunday, i was home about a half hour and the doorbell rang. this is suburban harrisburg, pennsylvania. i opened the door to find a young woman, she had no idea who i was. she was there with a donald trump petition for her brother who was also working in the neighborhood. it was 19 degrees out. to sign a trump petition for his delegate seat and also to put donald trump on the ballot. that s ground game. that goes directly to what katon is saying in south carolina. i think they ve got their act together on this. i don t think it s going awhey. i assume you signed that, jeffrey, because you re a trump supporter. i did. i don t need to ask you. i did, anderson. i was going to sign your name but they told me it was ild legal. she certainly knocked on the right door that night. amanda yes, she did. you say trump is not a conservative. how so? in the last debate we saw a very strong development on that front. when trump stood up and said bush lied in that aggressive fashion and also made the comments about planned parenthood, i think he s making a play for the liberal vote. he is remaking the republican electorate. i know we talk a lot about he s not conservative, he s not conservative, he doesn t care. he s not trying to be conservative. i mean, he was asked on the stump about obama s amnesty for students and things like that. he goes, oh, it s great. i don t think he knew what daka, thinge ing acronym for it actua. he was asked about the vra, voting rights act. he said i ll take a look at it. i don t think he knew what that was either. he s campaigning purely on personality and he s taking down the bushes which, you know, a lot of liberals don t like. he s calling ted cruz a liar left and right. i think he s trying to gin up part of the far left vote because south carolina is an open primary and he can expand the electorate there. i do have to say i am so disappointed to see marco rubio parrot donald trump s talking points about ted cruz being a liar. at the end of the day, donald trump is the threat to the party. i think a lot of conservatives across the spectrum would be very happy with a cruz or rubio nominee, but rubio is not helping the cause for himself, elevating discourse or going to help unifying the party by acting like donald trump s mini me. we have to leave it there. amanda, good to have you on. katon lawson, jeffrey lord. this week i ll moderate two republican town halls in south carolina. tomorrow night, dr. ben carson, marco rubio, ted cruz will take questions from myself and also from voters. also on thursday night i ll be with john kasich, jeb bush, and donald trump at 8:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow and on thursday right here on cnn. just ahead in this hour, new poll numbers tonight in a democratic battle in south carolina. hillary clinton, bernie sanders fighting for the support of african-american voters. and talking bluntly about racial injustice. plus, justice antonin scalia memorialized inside the supreme court. his funeral plans set. questions linger over how texas authorities responded to his death. citracal pearls. delicious berries and cream. soft, chewable, calcium plus vitamin d. only from citracal. for your retirement, you want to celebrate the little things, because they re big to you. and that is why you invest. the best returns aren t just measured in dollars. td ameritrade®. 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any injection sites? and there s no indication that any of that was done. reporter: checking for those trace of hemorrhage or odor richie says could have told investigators if justice scalia was suffocated or poisoned. conspiracy theories fueled by comments made by the owner of the ranch. john pointdexter told a newspaper justice scalia was found with a pillow over his head. donald trump weighed in. it s a horrible topic. they said they found a pillow on his face, unusual place to find a pillow. reporter: john pointdexter said, the pillow was over his headboard and over his head when he was discovered. he looked like someone who had had a restful night s sleep. there was no evidence of anything else. when you have a supreme court justice who passes away, you don t have the same leeway, the same ability to make assumpti assumptions. you have to be held accountable to the public and to history. that s why an autopsy should have been done. reporter: texas judge cinderella guarva told the washington post she spoke to justice scalia s doctor who told her he suffered from several chronic conditions. the scalia family which asked no autopsy be done did not respond to cnn s request for comment on why they made that request. anders anderson? 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manhattan billionaire may enter the race, michael bloomberg. first jeff zeleny on the democrats. i know some of you are already supporting me, and i thank you. and i know some of you are still shopping. i like to shop, too. reporter: but the shopping season is running short. and the democratic race between hillary clinton and bernie sanders in iowa is deadlocked. she continues presenting herself as a realist, taking aim at sanders proposals, starting with free college tuition. i disagree with my esteemed opponent senator sanders. i don t think it s right to give me and my husband free college for our child. i think that if you can afford to pay, you should pay. reporter: sanders rallied voters all weekend and today asking them to join what he s calling a revolution. a political movement to bring real change. now nothing that i have described to you today is utopian. it is not pie in the sky. in fact, much of what i ve talked to you about today exists today in other countries on earth. reporter: the stakes of the election are high, and emotional. and it s so hard to do anything to pay your bills. reporter: as sanders saw firsthand today. it is not easy for people to stand up and say that. so i thank you for saying and for telling us what s going on in your lives because the truth is, you can t make it on $12,000. you can t live in dignity on $10,000 or less. reporter: sanders and clinton have been trailing one another across iowa trying to win over undecided voters and mobilize their supporters. but today, clinton s voice showing the strain. you do talk a lot in this campaign. reporter: iowa is a test of campaign organization. and the real activity is taking place behind the scenes in offices across the state. see you on february 1st, iowa. reporter: the caucuses are no traditional election. it s a series of galleries across the state next monday night. the candidates are telling voters how to take part. the implications stretch far beyond iowa. sue sorden supported clinton last time and will again. but sees sanders big crowds and worries. i came and listened to bernie. i loved his ideas, but i don t know that they are very practical. i don t know that they could be implemented. i just think hillary has been around the political block a few times, and i feel more comfortable with her. reporter: how does this feel versus that? i m always nervous. i m always nervous when my candidates on a little shaky ground. i was very confident hillary was going to win eight years ago. jeff zeleny joins us now. you spent a lot of time covering things back here in 2008. how do things feel the same or different? hillary clinton has learned her lessons, or they say they have, from 2008. spent almost all year building an organization and they won t be surprised again. and bernie sanders is not barack obama. no question about it. but one thing that s changed is the power of social media. bernie sanders big crowds are because he puts something on facebook and people come. the question is will the power of social media, these young supporters, actually turn out for this arcane process one week from tonight. a process many may have not have participated in until now. they are a key demographic age 17 to 25. all of whom could not vote some eight years ago. all right. jeff zeleny, thanks. there s a lot to talk about. jeff will stay with us. i want to bring in cnn political commentator donna brazile, top dnc official and katrina vandenhoevel. at the top of the program, we mentioned cnn s new polling showing bernie sanders gaining a bit of ground nationally. we should also point out there was a fox news poll in iowa showing hillary clinton leading sanders 48% to 42%. if she can pull off a win here, that s would be a big change in momentum for her, would it not? look at the poll cnn just released. it shows bernie sanders has essentially re-created the obama coalition. extraordinary support, 74% among 18 to 29-year-olds. very strong support among independents. and also what struck me was the democrats say they are happy, comfortable with both candidates. anderson, i think what bernie sanders needs to do tonight is speak forcefully about why he is a realist and a doer. his ideas are practical. they are in the mainstream of american political ideas, and he needs to say that the new realism is that we must dismantle a rigged, corrupted political economic system if we re going to have the transformational changes this country desperately needed. that s why he has such enthusiasm. will he get them out, the younger voters, to a byzantine process jeff spoke of? that remains to be seen. donna, do you really believe that sanders has re-created the obama coalition? among african-americans, although senator obama didn t really have huge african-american support early on. senator sanders is lacking compared to senator clinton. the comparisons at this point don t exist in large part because we don t know exactly what the electorate will look like next monday night. president obama did several things quite well. he energized the electorate, brought in new voters. he was like one of the first candidates to really, truly expand the electorate. i didn t see that kind of enthusiasm for years on the democratic trail. he was also able to capture independents. remember, independents can go and caucus with democrats, as long as they register that night as a democrat. so i think tonight is very important because hillary clinton and bernie sanders and martin o malley because even with 2%, 5%, they don t reach viability. martin o malley supporters can, if it s a close caucus, they can rally with secretary clinton, or senator sanders voters. you have a lot of people who are still uncommitted. they are still shornp, as hilla clinton said earlier. are they shopping for the revolution? are they shopping for the candidate who will be able to implemts many of the policies that both senator sanders and secretary clinton agrees on. this is a very key moment tonight. this town hall will not only help galvanize the race in the closing days of the campaign but might energize more voters to turn out. i think when donna speaks let me just bring in jeff here. as much as the clinton/sanders race nationally may be close and on a state-by-state basis, when you look let s put these numbers up. you look at some of these polls, a lot of democrats still say by a wide margin they expect hillary clinton will be the nominee. no doubt. she has all the attributes of the establishment. she has, you know, the support of the establishment. right now, yes, most people believe she ll be the nominee. if bernie sanders beats her, that s could change that calculus. it s important to step back and show how strong she is. he is still an independent. he calls himself now a democrat, self-avowed socialist. how will that play out once people actually start going after that? even in south carolina and the next steps beyond here. he does not have the support from the diverse coalition of african-american voters and others, but he does have support in all those caucus states that barack obama won some eight years ago. minnesota, montana. this race could go on for a long time, particularly if he wins here in iowa. i think there s this argument that bernie sanders will somehow plateau, that after iowa, new hampshire, which are largely white, rural states, he can t surpass hillary clinton. i was talking about bernie sanders re-creating the obama coalition in iowa. listen, bernie sanders is still introducing himself to millions of americans who like what they are hearing. jeff is right. they are shopping. but the media, let s be honest. bernie sanders tonight could remind people that nine months ago he was at about 3%. he s at 38%. the media lavishes so much attention on donald trump they forgot about the huge rallies bernie was holding last summer. he s come a long way. the poll released tonight shows he is one-third support, pretty good support among non-whites, minorities, a coalition he needs to speak to carefully. he s just introducing himself. it s possible. the other factor tonight on hillary clinton, she wrapped herself, made herself out to be a candidate of continuity in this moment of change. jeff spoke of the establishment candidate. i think that s a tough position to be in at this moment of such volatility. people seeking change. well, iowa is famous for putting it in front of a when you talk about the establishment, she has lots of labor union activists on board supporting her. planned parenthood, women activists, civil rights activists. a lot of activists who are bringing the energy and enthusiasm that i think bernie sanders is also getting from the grassroots. this is a good moment for democrats and great for america, and i m glad we have two candidates and three candidates, really, who are out there fighting for every vote. it s in stark contrast to the gop. katrina raises a good point. has hillary clinton boxed herself in by listeninging herself to so closely to president obama? 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i have the best seat in the house. yours is pretty good. anderson doesn t like compliments but it s the truth. town hall is different. this is the opportunity for the voters to directly bring the concerns of their heart and head to the candidates. they are coming out one at a time. one at a time. they ll never be on the stage together, which i think is helpful for this. because if they won t get into that typical, well, forget about me. here s why anderson is not the right guy. instead of that, they ll have to address this directly. i think there will be a different dynamic. you sit across from big shots all the time. if they don t like your question they say, let me tell you what matters. you can t do that to a voter. this is someone talking to you about their life and what matters to them. you are asking the questions or is it all people in the audience? follow-ups? off the top, just a little scene setting there, get into some news of day, highlight points with each of them that are relevant from a news perspective. then right into the voters. my job is, less is more. so if something isn t addressed, when the question specifically is asked for, then we get into it. if there s a necessary follow, we ll get in. the incentive is to move it along and get as many voters at possible. clinton and sanders have been highlighting the differences between them than the first debate that we did so many months ago. they call it contrast now. it s not negativity. it s not criticism. it s contrast. sanders then o malley and then clinton? yes. that s the order? yes. they ll all get equal time. have you been working on this obviously, you ve been working on this a while. what are you expecting tonight? are you expecting them to go after each other or because they re not on the same stage to more interact with the audience? ordinarily, i feel like i know what we re going to get. i don t know how they ll deal with questions they don t like coming from the audience. i do expect them to try to go outside the lines a bit. that s why we re here. all right. we ll look forward to it. chris cuomo. we ll also talk to chris right after the town hall is over as well. president obama made such a big impression here eight years ago. getting plenty of buzz. the reason, a 40-minute interview he did with politico. listen to how he assesses the two front-runners and judge for yourself. i think bernie came in with the luxury of being a complete long shot, and just letting loose. as i ve said before, i think that, like any candidate, her strengths can be her weaknesses. her strengths, which are the fact that she s extraordinarily experienced and wicked smart and knows every policy inside and out, sometimes could make her more cautious and campaign more in prose than poetry. but those are also her strengths. it means she can govern, and she can start here day one more experienced than any non-vice president has ever been, who aspires to this office. well, let s talk about the obama factor. cnn political analyst and new york times presidential campaign correspondent maggie haberman joins me. also cnn senior political reporter nia mallika henderson joins me as well. it s interesting hearing president obama talk about these two candidates. what jumped out to you in his remarks? he was very clear. he was asked by our former colleague, do you see an analog between now in 2008 and bernie sanders now? he said, i don t think so. that s a ream message to bernie sanders supporters. the other thing that struck me was that he basically absolved hillary clinton of attacks on him in 2008. you ve seen various democrats and some republicans point to the attacks she leveled against him in that fight. this inoculated her. i took some things too seriously. they weren t that big a deal. that gives her a real line going into tonight. i think that s right. we don t know sort of privately that obama as well as his top aides favored hillary clinton. but i think this was as close as he s come so far. i do think there was that absolution that he gave her from 2008. so i think that was important. and one of the things i wonder if hillary clinton will almost just the audio of him praising her and really making the point she wants to make about her campaign, which is that she is the one who can deliver. she s been making that more and more. we ve seen both from clinton and sanders, whether it s contrasting their policies with each other. they have been getting more aggressive. you compare the last debate, very interesting to see what happens tonight on this stage compared to the first democratic debate where bernie said enough of the damn e-mails. literally some of the exact same lines are being used by hillary clinton against bernie sanders that she used against barack obama and some of the same lines he is using that barack obama used against her. you are seeing it appeal to types of voters as opposed to a heart/head contrast. the race has tightened. in iowa in particular, it s gotten very close. and the clinton case is going to be made on getting out the vote. the sanders case will be made on enthusiasm. you broke this story about mike bloomberg. how real is this? he s really thinking about it. this is real. it s not consultant driven. this is something he is interested in. he s said for as long as i ve covered him, which goes back to his 2001 mayors race, that president was one of the top three jobs he d ever want. he s done testing and polling to see what the metrics of it. we don t know what that polling showed. there are different theories to who this would hurt if he did it. i d not bet overwhelming weight on him doing it but it s much more real now than in 2008. if trump is gets the nomination, if sanders does better than anticipated? it s the likeliest in a sanders versus trump or cruz nomination fight. but mike bloomberg is not suicidal. he s not going to do this to make a point. he s going to do it if he thinks he can win. the des moines register. how important is it nominating hillary clinton and marco rubio? i think it s good for her that they endorsed her. i think for rubio, a bit of a mixed bag. he s trying to straddle two sides. on the one hand, he wants to be the conservative. he wants to be an establishment figure. this, i think, gives him that establishment imprint in iowa at a time when 70% of the caucus voters want somebody who is from the outside. if you add up cruz, trump and carson, it gets about to 70%. in that way, it s not great. but i think in the long term, as he wants to be the establishment figure who is the alternative to everybody else. it s good in that way for him. do we know the timeline of when bloomberg would actually have to throw his hat in the ring? 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the polls. i have the most loyal people. i could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldn t lose any voters. it s like incredible. well, he said that over the weekend. today talking to wolf blitzer, he kind of toned it down. you don t think i was joking. you know i was joking and the whole room was laughing and i was laughing when i said it. you got some criticism. from dishonest press. when they show me i m laughing,erb everybody is laughing and having a good time. i m joking. you know that s. of course. the purpose is to say the people want to stay with me. they re loyal. they re tired of seeing our country pushed around and led by people that are stupid people. they re tired of it, wolf. he also told wolf he thinks michael bloomberg isn t worth as much as forbes magazine says he is and says he d beat him if he does enter the race. joining us is anna navarro, amanda carpenter and jeffrey lord. amanda is a former communications director for senator cruz and jeffrey say trump supporter who made has bones as white house political director during the reagan years. the point is that his supporters are loyal. he can do or say almost anything and they d still support him. what we ve seen, he has a point. he does have a very loyal following. seemed to ignore or, you know, embrace pretty much anything he says. absolutely. i think he s completely right. he has gone after megyn kelly, he s gone after p.o.w.s. he has said he s never gone, you know, asked god for forgiveness. he s called iowans stupid, in their state to their face. he has mimicked a reporter. and you know what happens? his numbers keep going up. donald trump is completely right. he s got very loyal supporters for whom these things don t mean anything, who think it is aed myia media experience against him. donald trump could be caught on video clubbing baby seals that are being held by the madonna incarnate and probably his numbers would go up, not down. and he s right. if he shot somebody on fifth avenue, depending on who he shot, i think his numbers would go up. jeff over the weekend in iowa, trump went to a church and stayed in a holiday inn express, remarking that it was clean and the mattress was good. the fact that that happened and it made news, it tells you really everything you need to know about how unorthodox they are. of course, that s really, most nights, he s jetting back to new york where he spends the night. that s right. and i understand there s a shipment of baby seals on their way to iowa right now. i just think you re right. it s unorthodox. he s trying something new and it works. it s working for him. whether it would work for someone else, i don t know. donald trump has been a presence on the american stage for about 40 years, which is about the time that ronald reagan was on the stage before he ran for public office. people feel that they know him. in this case, for the good, they like him. he s a pretty established personality. once you think you know somebody, it s pretty hard to persuade people that he s somebody that he s not. i think he s got a good advantage doing that. i want to play amanda, another part of wolf s interview with trump where he asks him why he says the establishment is actually against him. let s listen. well, i think the establishment actually is against me, but really coming online because they see me as opposed to cruz who is a nasty guy who can t get along with anybody. you know, look. at a certain point, you have to make deals. we can t have a guy that stands in the center floor and every other senator thinks is a whack job. you have to make deals. what about that? we ve seen a thaw when it comes to certain members of the republican establishment and trump. how much of that is based on the fact if the choice is between cruz and somebody else, they ll choose whoever is not cruz, even some of the people in the national review start to michael on friday who wrote against donald trump but said if it s between cruz and trump, i ll go for trump. here s the thing. the term establishment has gotten thrown around a lot these days. i encourage people interested in this fight to look at a piece jonathan martin wroete for the new york times in which a number of establishment figures like bob dole and consultants connected to the republican national committee and other republican organizations that have been in power a long time said if it came down to cruz or trump they d support for the reason donald trump explained in that interview. he s a dealmaker. they feel they can wheeled influence over a donald trump presidency, whereas with ted cruz, they know what s they re going to get. he has a long record of standing up for principles and he ll not be influenced by the lobbyists. people feel like who live off washington, who to get the big consulting contracts and keep things propped up like the export/import bank, they can get donald trump to do that. it s weird because donald trump is saying, oh, the establishment doesn t like me while laying out the case for his candidacy based on why they would like him. so it s just really confusing to hear him explain it that way. jeff, to trump supporters, they d say that ultimately, if you are president, to actually get anything done in washington, there does have to be some compromise. there does have to be some give and take. the difference ronald raugraug reagan was a dealmaker. which direction do you make the deals in? ronald reagan steered the country right and it took the country in a conservative direction. making deals in and of itself, there s nothing wrong with it. trump critics are saying he s authoritarian. on the other hand they are saying he wants to make deals. there s nothing wrong with making deals. deals get made all the time. the question is what direction do you take the country when you make them? that is the issue. given donald trump s record on the bailout and stimulus, he leans towards liberal policies when it comes to economic matters. but the thing that i thought was most interesting in that wolf interview was where wolf was pressing him about his outrageous comments and he said i m going to be a different person when i m president. trust me. and that is what should cause conservative voters most concern when it comes to trump. you have no idea what you re going to get. donald trump was different in the policies two years ago than he is today. no telling where he d be two years from now. too big of a risk to take with the presidency. you guys are all argue do you believe donald trump can be different? yes. but so is ted cruz. ted cruz was different on immigration when working for george w. bush than he is now. the truth is, donald trump has changed his views and so has ted cruz. and i heard jeff and amanda arguing about how the establishment feels. as a resident establishment on this panel, let me just tell you, we can t stand either of them, and we are in a deep state of panic about the notion of either no, hold on, amanda. a deep state of panic about either donald trump or ted cruz who would be very hurtful to the republican party, the republican ticket. a lot of governors and senators running statewide in places like ohio, like new hampshire. the difference is, anderson, we ve known donald trump is a celebrity. we ve known donald trump as the host of the apprentice as a businessman for all these years. we ve known him in a political spectrum the last six, seven months. ted cruz, pretty much has hated the establishment and we ve hated him from the moment he s got elected. nothing but the thorn on the side of somebody that obstructs any kind of progress legislati e legislatively. amand afinal thought. lectured by the establishment donor class and say when it comes to supporting the republican nominee, you just have to swallow. get drunk and vote for john mccain or whatever you have to do. there s a lot of us did it sober. i hope we can all come together because there s too much at stake. anna navarro, amanda carpenter and jeffrey. we re approaching the start of the democratic town hall here. you heard donald trump suggest that ted cruz is, in his words, a whack job. we ll hear more about his blistering attacks on rivals. do they stem from a hot temper, thin skin or well thought out strategy by trump. plus the democratic town hall coming up. i m going to check in with the sanders and clinton campaigns about what their candidates hope to do tonight to close the deal with iowa s voters. ing as well and everywhere i look. i m reminded to stick to my plan. including preservision areds 2. my doctor said preservision areds 2 has the exact nutrient formula that the national eye institute recommends to help reduce the risk of progression of moderate to advanced amd. after 15 years of clinical studies. preservision areds 2. because my eyes are everything. e trade is all about seizing opportunity. so i m going to take this opportunity to go off script. so if i wanna go to jersey and check out shotsy tuccerelli s portfolio, what s it to you? 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the republican front-runner has been rewriting the rules of engagement for attacking rivals. watch. the fact is that carly fiorina has had a terrible past. she was fired viciously from hewlett-packard, a disastrous ceo. you have this clown marco rubio. i ve been so nice to him. he goes down in the polls and all of a sudden starts changing his tone. ted has to solve his problem. he s got a big problem. is he natural born? and a lot of people think that means you have to be born on the land, not born in canada. and he was born in canada. this country needs help. it need leadership, don, and it needs it fast. and ted is not the right guy. hasn t got the temperament. look, everybody dislikes him. he s a nasty guy. th that everybody dislikes. no matter how tough his attacks have been, donald trump s poll numbers not only do not suffer, they often spike. his attacks can seem random at times and seem off the cuff until you look at them closely. monica langley has done just that. in her latest article behind donald trump s attack strategy. i read the article. a fascinating piece. you spent a lot of time with trump. what did you find out about these attacks? are they random? are they improvised? and who is coming up with them? something coming out of donald trump on his own? yeah, and the segment you just played has a lot of him sounding very angry, very hostile and off the cuff. but i spent three days with him hosplane, which is now dubbed trump force one and in the motorcade. and i ll tell you, anderson, he is very a solitary fig purp he s very calm. very measured. he thinks through everything. and unlike most politicians who have message gurus or people telling them what to say, he does it all himself in a very calculated fashion. it s really interesting. his ability to read a crowd and maybe read a moment in time is really extraordinary. i think we ve seen that over the last several months. you were with him when he made the decision it was time to go after cruz. can you describe that moment? here s what he did. he said ted has been at the top too long. let s take him i m going to take him down. and then he got off in new hampshire and the first thing he did was start raising questions about whether he s eligible to be president because he was born in canada. a week later he brought up the fact that he was challenging his new york values. and he got a loan from goldman sachs that he didn t disclose. then he was calling him a nasty guy. you can see immediately ted cruz, who had the edge in iowa, started getting behind donald trump in the polls in iowa. and now donald trump has the edge in iowa. so donald trump has done this methodically. and he s very strategic in how he goes after each person by finding a weakness and then doing it. and the interesting thing is, even though you mentioned how he was in the holiday inn this weekend, and i stayed at another des moines hotel where he stayed last week, he does it all from all his strategic thinking is done in the comfort of his beautiful jet where he sits at a in a leather club chair, a wood table with 24 karat gold trim. and that s where i watched him work for hours thinking for what he wants to be for his attack and then also as you say he improvises a crowd. that s where he read the news and polls to decide what he s going to focus on that day. and his speeches, which seem improvised, i understand you saw some of his notes when you went with him to new hampshire. because we ve seen him take out pages before he starts to speak. are they bullet points? what is it like? that s exactly right. he takes out one single page from his breast pocket. so we were about to land in new hampshire. ten minutes before landing in concord, he gets out a single sheet of paper and jots down 15 words. fine points. and then that s all it is. and he goes and talks about those issues. and he seems to be rambling. he ll go here. he goes there. but he goes back to those points. he was hitting hillary clinton hard. you ll see he has the second amendment. what he did on that is on the second amendment, he brings the crowd in. he said, if we had you and you and you, pointing to some big strong men in the crowd, we would have had a different result in paris. so the crowd is like yelling, oh, yeah, we could do it, if we had arms. if you all had weapons you would have stopped all this death. it s really generated from trump, it s not him sitting around in meetings and somebody saying, let s go after cruz on the canadian issue or let s hit this. you are saying from what you saw, a lot of this is just trump thinking this through and going with his instincts? he sits alone on his plane at his own club chair in his own desk. behind him at a conference table sit the three top national staffers. and then behind that are the secret service in their own compartment. and i can tell you, he sits most of the time by himself. he ll watch the news. he watches cnn and other news shows. and then he ll start writing notes and reads all the newspapers and polls and then makes his decisions. as he made the decision, it s time to take ted down, meaning ted cruz. that is the way he works. and he does it himself. fascinating. it s a fascinating article in the wall street journal. monica langley, appreciate it. what a great inside look from that. amazing. just minutes away from the cnn democratic presidential town hall in des moines, iowa. the race could not be getting tighter. various announcements are being made to the crowd. hillary clinton, bernie sanders are deadlocked. the caucuses just one week away. what do they need to do tonight to close the deal? i ll talk to both campaigns ahead. we can help guide your retirement savings. for over 75 years, investors have relied on our disciplined approach to find long term value. so wherever your retirement journey takes you, we can help you reach your goals. call a t. rowe price retirement specialist or your advisor .to see how we can help make the most of your retirement savings. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. full of guests on the waye and a cold with sinus pressure, you need fast relief. alka-seltzer plus severe sinus congestion and cough liquid gels rush relief to your tough symptoms. to put you back in control. 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it s going to be an extension of what he s been trying to do all week. connect with voters. talk with voters help hear what they have to say. talk about his agenda to improve their lives. this format where he just talks to voters. this is a familiar format. this plays to his strength. his authenticity and ability to communicate. his ability to talk one on one with a voter who has a question is very powerful. this is a very good format for him. the how important obviously iowa and new hampshire are critical for senator sanders. how important particularly is iowa and right now, they are just practicing applauding essentially. but how important is iowa for your candidate in is this a must win for him? we ve always says we have to do well here. you ll remember back in the spring we started out 55 points down. so all the polls now, there s some variance, all of them show the race is very close. if it ends very close, up a few or down a few, we ve already won. a lot has been made about what happens after new hampshire. the first stop being south carolina. the criticism or concern amongst sanders supporters is he doesn t have the level of support among african-americans that hillary clinton has. do you feel that if he s close in iowa, if he s close or wins in new hampshire that will make a huge difference? we ve seen historically that early success translates into success in later states. and in south carolina, we ve seen public polls a few months ago, he was 40 points down. now two polls last week, both showed him 20 points down. he s moving in south carolina as well. we had a high-profile endorsement today out of south carolina. i think that the whole like firewall narrative we ve heard from the other side is just, it doesn t really hold any water. the statements made by president obama too politico in an interview, some are interpreting it as a nod to hillary clinton? what s your take? i think the president has been even-handed in this whole process. he s really stayed out of it. he said some nice things about the secretary today. said nice things in the past about senator sanders. i m sure he will again. we re very happy with president obama. a lot of at this time in a presidential race, serve trying to parse every single word. i think the president was just talking to a reporter, and i think a lot of people are reading more into it. for the next week, what does the week look like? is it nonstop yeah, well, you know, we re going to go to take a small detour tomorrow and go up to minnesota for a couple of visits. we ll be doing events every day in iowa between now and the caucuses. he s on the road. a big bus driving around. the big bernie bus. he s going to towns big and small all around the state. is the itinerary set or do you look at polls and figure out where you need to bolster we obviously look at data. where the delegates are, where we think we can add more de delega delegates. he s doing it in such an intensive way, three, four, five events a day. how concerned are you that a lot of the young supporters you ve had, remarkably, the turnout has been huge, that they are first-time caucusgoers. will they go out and know how to do it? they come out to the bernie rallies. that s an hour and a half long wonkish presentation on economics and his agenda. and they love it. so why they ll not come out people say they ll not come out for a 45-minute or hour caucus. i don t think that s right. jeff, an exciting week. jeff weaver from the sanders campaign. what does hillary clinton need to do? joining me is joel, the chief strategist for the clinton campaign. thanks for being with us. what does your candidate hope to do tonight and in this final week? i think close out a strong campaign in iowa, which has been strong from the start, by framing up this choice very clearly that what we need going forward is a candidate who can do all parts of the job of president. keep us safe. improve people s economic lives. and what we need is someone like secretary clinton who brings progressive values to the table and a real tenacity to get things done that will make a difference in people s lives. that s what i think voters want in the next president. that s what she brings to the table. i think president obama today very graciously made some nice comments about her that reflected that. the idea that bernie sanders is somehow less electable in a general election than hillary clinton was certainly something that folks in your campaign would like to push that message. when you ask voters in new hampshire, which is obviously a key swing state in the fall whom they d support in a head-to-head matchup, bernie sanders does better. new hampshire if you look at it, in presidential primaries if you are a new englander, it s like a favorite son state for you. new englanders have done well any time there isn t an incumbent president or incumbent vice president on the ballot there. we ve always thought that would be a very close place. we always thought it would be a very strong state for senator sanders. we ve got a long view here of how we re doing. we look at where democratic voters are nationally and beyond iowa, new hampshire, looking at nevada, south carolina. we ve got a very strong lead that we ve got to fight to keep every vote and earn every vote going forward. we ll not let up or take our foot off the gas at all. secretary clinton is going to be campaigning in all these states. we know this is a marathon, not a sprint. we believe that she s the strongest candidate to keep the country strong and to keep it safe and keep our economy growing. and create the kind of jobs that will raise people s increase. that s what we think voters in the democratic primary and in a general election are going to want. that s why we believe she s on a good path here for the nomination and towards november and becoming the next president. as you know, the nation magazine endorsed senator sanders. katrina vanden heuvel was on this broadcast earlier tonight saying she believes bernie sanders has re-created the obama coalition in iowa at this stage of the race, that he had back in 2008. do you believe that? well, i actually don t, anderson. i think that i was part of the obama campaign in 2008. i believe when you look at iowa and beyond, there are parts of this coalition that are strong and in secretary clinton s camp, including latino voters, african-american voters. she s got very broad support here and it s why in national polls among democrats, also in the majority of states, she s right now running very strongly. there s no question that senator sanders has created some excitement on this stump. no one will deny that. now the rubber hits the road in iowa where 30% of the voters in 2008 made up their minds in the last week. we think we ve got the field operation to get our voters to those caucuses, have the impact we want on caucus night, and we re looking forward to a good night in iowa next week. you think your grond game you have no doubt your ground game is better than sanders in iowa? i believe it is. right now, i ve talked to the field people. i spoke to some of them this afternoon. a few of them. we talked about it on the campaign all the time. i think we re very savvy about it with a combination of people who have been through this on both sides in 2008. we know what works. we know what it takes to be dogged and getting your people to the caucuses. it s not just enough to have big crowds. you have to have a diligent, steady, long-term operation that is in contact with these voters all the way through. you can t i ve got to wrap. thank you, anderson. i ve got to wrap you. we re about to start. thank you to the clinton campaign. thanks for watching. time to hand it over to my friend chris cuomo who is the moderator of tonight s democratic presidential town hall at drake university in des moines, iowa. chris? 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security in egypt at the airport in sham el sheikh and here at home. we have correspondents everywhere, barbara starr, phil black, and in sham el sheikh, erin mclaughlin. barbara, what have you learned? reporter: good evening, anderson. it was midday when u.s. officials began talking about this. a u.s. official telling cnn and i want to quote directly, quote, there is a definite feeling it was an explosive device planted in luggage of somewhere on the plane. they have had this feeling all week. they are beginning to assemble the intelligence, not a certainty but growing indications this is where their thinking is heading. they had been watching militant activity growing there. the feeling they have now is that it is isis or an isis affiliate most likely behind it if it proves to be a bomb and this will change the world s calculations about what isis is capable of doing. so how are u.s. arauthorities saying they got to information and did they have intelligence about a specific threat prior to the crash? reporter: u.s. officials are telling cnn no, they didn t have a specific credible timely information about a threat before the crash, before this incident but in watching this militant activity grow, it caught their attention and after the crash, the incident, they went back, looked at it and began to develop more intelligence, more information and been monitoring isis chatter so to speak. we don t know if that cell phone conversation, online postings, isis well-known for using very secure chat rooms. the u.s. monitors isis communications secretly covertly as much as it can and it does appear that isis chatter about this, a claim of responsibility not a public claim, but some other sort of more covert claim in their chatter is at least a key part of what captured the u.s. attention. okay. so this idea that someone at the airport, to use the exact words i think you used was involved, what does that actually mean? someone who services the plane, who has access to the plane, not through the passenger screening? right, well that s what we don t know. u.s. official tells me, you know, without offering a lot of intelligence detail, they believe it was essentially a conventional explosive, not plastic explosives, not something that could be so advanced it sneaks past airport detection because there is no metal in it. they think it was fairly conventional, either snuck on board in passenger luggage or by someone, as you say, service personnel who may have had contact with the aircraft, all eyes focused on that airport, anderson. barbara starr, appreciate it. want to get the latest from london where flights to and from sham el sheikh have been canceled and a meeting of the government s emergency security committee and additionally, we learned a security delegation sent by london just arrived in sham el sheikh. phil black joins us more from there. the news this morning that the prime minister saying a bomb may have brought down the plane, is there any sense what may have led him to come out publicly and say that, what kind of intelligence the british may have. reporter: anderson, they are not discussing intelligence in any detail. they are not discussing that publicly but that information has been reviewed through meetings with the prime men ster and senior members of the government and say some of it is recent and has strengthened concerns. they are saying there is a significant possibility that there was a bomb aboard that aircraft. they are not talking about details, they make the point to discuss this so openly, discuss their concerns so openly, something they wouldn t do lightly unless they had real reason for doing so. its interesting the information was not announced by egyptians, it was british and u.s. sources saying this. yeah, that s right. egyptians aren t happy. they say it is premature for the british government to be discussing it in this way because they say the official investigation led by egyptians hasn t concluded. the response to the british government, the egyptians haven t seen intelligence that we have available to us. you can get this is going to be talked about tomorrow at the highest level because the egyptian president is coming here to downing street to meet with prime minister david cameron for a meeting already scheduled to take place. we talk about the british delegation that inspected sham el sheikh airport. do we know more details on that? reporter: according to the british government, they have gone there, reported back. their assessment is security has been stepped up but in the words of the government here, there is still more work to do. the government having made the extraordinary step of sending in their own advisors to an airport in another country are saying that country isn t quite up to the job just yet but they will work together closely so that hopefully those flights between britain and sham el sheikh can resume and british tourist can start returning home, but that s going to take a few days, anderson. joining us now, cnn richard quest and editor of the daily beast and co-author of isis and anthony may, retired explosives enforcement officer at the atf. richard, the fact that the u.k. came out publicly on this, does that surprise you? no, because they obviously had the intelligence from their own independent sources that the egyptians didn t have. the egyptians are going through an air accident investigation. they are looking the wreckage and bodies. we re not hearing much from the egyptians. if we thought things were bad with malaysia, we haven t had press conferences. we haven t had news briefings. we haven t had updates pretty much, we ve had lots of leaks and comments but nobody i think what is really happening behind the scenes is you ve got equipment who is officially running the investigation. you ve got the french who are probably doing a lot of the technical work and you ve got the russians there watching over it to make sure that they get their side in, too. also, you have to look at what the damage this would do to equipment and to the tourism trade there and i mean, that tourism trade has been battered over the years, not only by direct attacks by groups against tourists but the over throw of mubarak. and crucially, the success in many ways of egypt s tourism, in the mind they divorced sham el sheikh from egypt. if you look back from arab spring through the coup and various uprisings, sham el sheikh has remained stable. really? yeah, because the tourism, you fly to sham el sheikh, not equipment, not cairo, most go to sham el sheikh direct. if suddenly, sham el sheikh actually has the cloud over it and perceived to be dangerous, you re looking at very serious trouble for the egyptian tourism indust industry. michael, if this was a bomb and isis, that means they have been able to do something that al qaeda has not. al qaeda has tried about four times to bring down an airliner since 9/11. the group that was part of the al qaeda franchise, u.s. intelligence said these guys were trying to do this. using sophisticated means. with a t-shirt bomb, chemical agent that could ignite in fabric or clothing. i think it s absolutely the case if this does turn out to be an isis attack, there was somebody on the inside and that s not surprising, anderson. you have to look who populates the ranks. a lot come from state institutions and the iraqi government or defectors from the assad regime or military, it stands to reason someone in the egyptian transport ministry or indeed at the private commercial airliner might have weighed this in. because it s not something more sophisticated to circumvent security protocol means they had an open door. reporting officials are looking into the theory isis built the bomb with the pressure switch to go off at a certain altitude. is that a very complex bomb to make? how difficult is it? absolutely not, anderson. barometric pressure switch is simple. the germans used it to sabotage aircraft at that period. you can purchase can be utilized. you can go on the internet and buy manufactured bar met trick pressure switches. russian state media reports the victims bodies they recovered showed no signs of impact but not even bomb residue has been found. that doesn t mean a bomb went off. whether you find bomb residue or not is not a clear definitive issue there was an explosion. for example, twa flight 800 early on in that investigation, we found trace residue of military grade explosives and as it turned out later on in that investigation, that aircraft was used to carry troops back and forth from the first desert storm conflict. so finding residue is not a definitive effect, depending on you got to know the nature of the aircraft, who it hauled and given the region of the world it is operating in, trace contamination is quite possible. so it s not definitive, although you can t rule it out. richard, i understand you spoke to the egyptian foreign minister or tourism. tourism minister. what did he say about the airport in sham el sheikh. he said it confromed ormed t international regulations. he said they constantly reviewed security and he said he had no reason to believe that there had been a breach. either, a, that s true, which is very worrying if it did conform to all international things and a bomb got through or not true and worry never theless. both at the same time because if this does, let s just put an if there just in case. if this does prove to be a bomb, then all the planning, all the procedures, all the regulations mean for nothing. all the inconvenience that all of us go through every time taking off our shoes and taking out liquids. if there is a backdoor on to airplanes that somebody with a grudge or a gripe can access a plane and we ve done reporting on this in the united states. we ve seen cases in the united states. look in russia, there have been multiple instances in 2004 two separate planes were brought down by black widows, female suicide bombers and the reason that these women were able to get on board with explosive devices is they bribed their way through. boarder agents took money and let them on. michael, good to have you on. anthony, appreciate it. the surprising reaction to all of this in russia tonight. we ll talk to nick robertson and a closer look at airport vulnerability. if you fly, you need to know this. the frankly stunning developments in the death of a police officer hailed at the time as a slain hero, a model police officer, pillar of the community. now reaction to evidence he actually was none of those things. they speak louder. we like that. not just because we re doers. because we re changing. big things. small things. spur of the moment things. changes you ll notice. wherever you are in the world. sheraton. theand to help you accelerate,. we ve created a new company. one totally focused on what s next for your business. the true partnership where people,technology and ideas push everyone forward. accelerating innovation. accelerating transformation. accelerating next. hewlett packard enterprise. and i didn t get here alone. there were people who listened along the way. people who gave me options. kept me on track. and through it all, my retirement never got left behind. so today, i m prepared for anything we may want tomorrow to be. every someday needs a plan. let s talk about your old 401(k) today. ugh! heartburn! no one burns on my watch! try alka-seltzer heartburn reliefchews. they work fast and don t taste chalky. mmm.amazing. i have heartburn. alka-seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief. vo: it happens so often, you almost get used to it. i d like to make a dep we got this. vo: which is why being put first takes some getting used to. nationwide is on your side nationwide is the exclusive insurance partner of plenti. given the breaking news, the growing possibility a jet brought down the plane and isis planted it at the sham el-sheikh airport, the question is what s the reaction tonight in russia one of many questions this is after all russia s single deadliest plane crash. russia does after all have attacks by mostly local islam make terrorists and russia significantly beefed up its presence in syria. nick robertson is in st. pet petersburg for us tonight. what s the latest there, nick? reporter: well, what s interesting is president putin hasn t taken the lead on this story all along. we ve spoken to the foreign ministry spokesperson to find out her reaction to latest statements about the likelihood, possibility of a bomb being on board the aircraft. she says look, the egyptians are leading the investigation, you have to go to them. we can t say, you know, we have to leave it to them to get on with the investigation but perhaps, most significantly here, you have the main aviation body here that says it is essentially illegal for russia to make a statement about the state of the investigation, why? because equipmegypt is responsie plane went down and egypt would have to give the russian authority to speak and reveal analysis they are getting on the ground at the moment. russia is giving it self-wiggle room and a cav yaceat to say hee can t talk about it. the silence and refusal so far to knock it down, knock this whole thing down is very telling, anderson. it was interesting, the fact that it was, you know, the british prime minister talked about this publicly and this didn t come publicly from equipment, even though they are allegedly the ones leading this investigation into the crash. reporter: sure, i mean, the fact that david cameron s office said this while president cc is in london, this would normally be a huge political embarrassme embarrassment. you get the impression that the russians are saying hey, every to you equipment and get and egypt isn t getting ahead and putting out what others are now beginning to see. i think our understanding here from the people we talked to in russia is that if the united states, if britain knows this, russia knows this. equipme egy egypt, the expectation is they really need to move on this, quite how that happens isn t clear. david cameron is clearly trying what he can. nic robertson, appreciate it. miles o bryan and former ntsb member john. john, if this indeed was a bomb, does this mean a total reassessment of airport security globally? of course it will. we ll look at our issues and there was just a report out in the last few days of problems with our own assessments at airports. so it s going to cause a total review in the united states and around the world and indeed it should. miles, have you worried about this before? we ve done reporting about vulnerabilities on u.s. airports and not where the passengers go through but there are problems there as we see through tsa inspections. on the back end, people with access to the aircraft. this is the real achilles heel at airports all over the world and in the u.s. and we ve seen all kinds of warning signs about this. about a year ago you may recall, anderson, there was a gun running scheme involving baggage handlers. they were putting loaded guns on airplanes and moving them around the country. there are all kinds of warning signs that this is wide open, meanwhile, we go through security theater dumping out water bottles to get on the airport. we need to deal with this problem. it is incredible, david, that all the attention, all the billions that have been spent on airport security and it does seem like there is this gaping hole. well, there is a gaping hole, anderson, and if historically security is reactive, not proactive so if you for example, somebody tries to blow up a shoe. what happens within weeks we re taking our shoes off at the airport. it is constantly reactive and like miles was saying, it needs to be more proactive. we need to look forward at things, not just reactive and that s this case. equipment is taking their part in just waiting to be reactive. i think that the prime minister making the move to do what he did is a proactive move and something needs to be done whether it s proven yet or not it was a bomb, he s being proactive about it and that s something that s rarely done in a security area in the aviation. john, i mean, the question of what kind of bomb this was, the size, one thing i ve been hearing a lot, it doesn t have to be a huge bomb at that kind of altitude which makes this all the more frightening. that s right. it doesn t have to be a large device. all you really want to do is break the structure of the airplane and the air loads on the airplane in flight will tear it up and i would guess from the wreckage that the bomb was in the tail section of the airplane and most likely in the belly because we see the crown of the airplane, the upper piece where the fracture occurred still in tact. so it was most likely it was in the belly forward out rear entrance doors and stressed the fuselage there and disintegrated. john, you re saying once there is a hole or explosion, one part of the aircraft, because the entire aircraft is supposed to bear the load overall of the pressures, once there is one opening, the rest of the airplane essentially breaks apart? yes. so, you know, you have a tremendous amount of load on the tail. we ll use the tail for an example. that load has to be spread out among most of the fuselage in order to absorb that energy, the force on the tail so it has to travel around the skin because the outside of the airplane is the road way, if you will, for the stresses. it s going to travel around that skin and get disbursed in the rest of the fuselage. so if you break it someplace, you ll change the path for the loads and then it s going to put additional load on an area not designed and that s how twa came apart, by the way. at some airports, airlines have the option of additional security screening at the gate. u.s. airlines do that in pieces. how useful is that to augment general security and if the problem is access to non-passengers, i guess that doesn t matter, then. no, i agree with you, arou anders anderson. the additional layer you get randomly through the gate after you ve gone through security in the first place does nothing to deal with the backdoor of the airplane where you have caterers and airplane cleaners and mechanics coming in without any scrutiny whatsoever. the pilot who is flying your plane has to take his shoes off and do the whole routine and the back of the airplane, they are walking in. this is clear vulnerability and it s quite obvious and no one seems to want to deal with it, maybe now. miles appreciate it and john, david soucie, thank you so much. just ahead, a closer look at security of the airport in question. we ll go live to sham el-sheikh and ahead, just an incredible announcement, what many thought was an unsolved murder of an illinois police officer. the crime scene was staged by the officer himself who actually shot himself. just look at those two. happy. in love. and saving so much money on their car insurance by switching to geico. well, just look at this setting. do you have the ring? 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i mean, more importantly, sort of the back end access to aircraft by personnel there? reporter: i flew into sham el-sheikh international airport yesterday. i doesn t see evidence of heightened security. it s a tiny little airport thought to be in a safe and secure area, only about 160 flights in and out of the airport on any given day, and that lack of security or heightened security, rather, that i saw was in line with what we were hearing yesterday from the egyptian interior. they said they did not take the decision to increae security at the time. they said that they were also not questioning employees at the airport because they said that they had no indication that the plane came down as a result of terrorism. we heard today from the egyptian foreign minister tell cnn they will heighten security not just at sham el-sheikh but at airports across egypt and not because of conclusions out of the investigation but to assuage people s fears. it s incredible if they are not interviewing personnel at the airport that have access to the aircraft. appreciate your reporting. we ll continue to check in with you. i want to bring in cnn military analyst general mark hurtlin hurtling. the idea egyptian authorities aren t interviewing and reviewing the personnel working in that airport, i would think time is kind of of the essence here. it certainly is, anderson. this is troubling but adds to the comments that have been made about this flight since the beginning. russians saying it was not pilot error or mechanical error making assumptions. the security not only in the airport where the passengers are but as you said, where the baggage handlers are and transporters and cargo beds go into. those should be places to check but having been in sham el-sheikh a few years ago and talking to some individuals who have been there recently as part of the multi national obam obse mission. inside the airport you ll see a lot of armed guards like most countries, either soldiers or members of the customs and border patrol and a lot of standing around, as well. this is not a u.s. airport and it s not something where you can be assured of security throughout the facility. right. it seems like more window dressing than anything else. what s amazing to me, is sham el-sheikh, which is obviously such an important tourist destination, tourism is incredibly important and they had more than a decade of incidents against tourists over the years by various groups, you know, i remember there was, i think a group at a site that was attacked years and years ago. there have been one thing after another and obviously, the revolutionary that took place, the arab spring. so the idea that they wouldn t make security at sham el-sheikh airport and throughout sham el-sheikh and other tourists spot as priority is kind of amazing to me. it is. and as you know, it s a club med. a lot of people go there for diving and snorkeling and a major tourist attraction. it is sinai. it is not egypt. i push back on the presumption this is isis. there are been attacks by sinai attempting to bring down the egyptian government and if you can stop the tourist trade, which this seems to have contributed to, you re going to help bring down the egyptian government. general hurtling, thank you. we ll look at other attempts to bring down planes and if we ve learned anything from the failed efforts. awe believe active management can protect capital long term. active management can tap global insights. active management can take calculated risks. active management can seek to outperform. because active investment management isn t reactive. it s active. that s the power of active management. two words: it heals.e different? 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it s a worrying thing for those of us that don t know much about explosives. anderson, it s very easy, this technology is old but reliable. it worked on several attacks in the 70s, the bombs went off. you know, the dead nay tors can be smuggled on. that s always the hardest part with the underwear bomber from amsterdam. they were lucky that didn t go off. the detonator was absorbed as sweat and that s why it didn t detona detonate. it s the technology, i don t think we ve really been able to defeat. i mean, you me, it s not just smuggling an employee of the airport. anybody can walk near an airplane can put something on a wing and the rest of it. but more than that are x-ray machines cannot detect a very sophisticated device with or without a barometric switch. they can be made into sculptures and glazed over. it cancan look like anything. this is what has us scared. it s not just sham el-sheikh. our security in this country, tsa can be beaten. and bob, you re saying the actual detonator, the switch itself wouldn t show up in an extra or wouldn t be identifiable? it wouldn t be identifiable. you can hide it, they are very small and you can hide it in an iphone and hide a plastic detonator and you can x-ray and people can get guns on airplanes and they are not seen by tsa. they are doing the best they can but just the technology and airplanes are so vulnerable to a small amount of explosive, this is what really scares people. i mean, it is amazing, paul, we ve been doing reporting, that case of baggage handlers smuggling weapons on to planes in the united states in the atlanta airport. that was an incredible warning sign right there. you re absolutely right. there was also a case of an american isis fighter killed in the summer of 2014 inside syria who had been working at minneapolis st. pauls airport as a cleaner and had access to some very sensitive sights at that airport. there is also concern about the potential of insiders working for terrorist groups at airports. paul, appreciate you being on and bob bear. a jaw dropping revolution about a police officer hailed as a hero at his funeral. the story today is much different. this holiday season, gewhat s in the trunk? 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it turns out investigators were zeroing in on gliniewicz for what they now say were criminal acts, spanning seven years. including laundering thousands from the fox state police explorer, a mentor ship program for teens and using it for travel, adult websites, mortgage expenses among other things. gliniewicz committed betrayal. reporter: the paper trail and x tense sieve and coverup. gliniewicz deleted thousands of messages like this one from back in june. quote the 1600 undocumented, it was cash from boot camp so there is no check trail to follow. our investigation strongly indicates criminal activity on the part of at least two other individuals. reporter: investigators won t reveal who those individuals are. in an interview with the program crime watch daily last month, glin west widow strongly denied her husband could have taken his own life. i whole heartily believe he was murdered. reporter: and to say otherwise? disrespectful, hurtful, irresponsible. reporter: she s not the on one in disbelief. some in this community still hail him a hero. you can look at his face and you know that he was an honest man, he was clean. apparently not. rosa, the gliniewicz family, i know they received financial assistance from certain groups after his death. some of those groups are asking for their money back. reporter: anderson, there was an outpouring of support emotionally and financially after lieutenant gliniewicz died and cnn learned one of the organizations that gave the widow $15,000 is asking for their money back. as for the family, we reached out and from their family attorney we ve heard that the family is asking for privacy. all right. rosa flores, appreciate it. thanks very much. this is the kind of plot twist usually seen in movies. it s fair to say the community of fox lake did not see this coming. what about lieutenant gliniewicz brothers and sisters in blue? i spoke to the commander of the lake county major task force. chief, when did you first suspect something was off about this case? well, approximately two weeks ago we started receiving materials that we had subpoenaed and evidence we submitted to the lab through the fbi. 6500 text messages deleted we believe shortly before this staged incident. 32,000 e-mails that we pulled off of a computer, along with sophisticated ballistic testing that we had run through our regional crime lab here. once we got those text messages, and bank records that we subpoenaed, then the story started evolving internally with these criminal activities that he was participating in. was there a creeping censerly on that the pieces just didn t add up? what we do is we don t take anything off the table. we examine every possibility, every scenario. up until we started looking at the ballistics and running those sophisticated tests combined with the bank records and text messages and an analysis of the crime scene with the assistance of the behavioral analysis unit unit, we determined and were confident this was a staged suicide. for you personally as the chief, what is this like when you discovered the real story here? as a police officer, there were a number of feelings that went through my head once we uncovered this. first there was shock. some sadness, and then just anger. the ultimate betrayal of the badge. you said you re still investigating two more people involved with this case. is there anything more you can say about who they are, what role they may have played? our portion of this case has been concluded. any other criminal activity that we generally uncover in these cases, we hand off all that information to the appropriate authorities and in this case thanks would be the lake county states attorney s office, the sheriff s office and the fbi. do you think, main, him saying that there were three suspects and he gave a vague general description but matched three people in the area caught on surveillance cameras who as you said had good alibis. do you think he just happened to see them when he was driving to the location and do you think he pick that location specifically? that s a great question or a great series of questions. those individuals, again, from the videotape, he could have easily passed that morning in route to that location and just instantly said, these are three individuals i m going to use in this scenario. the location that this act was committed in, he was extremely familiar with. he actually ran practice scenarios with the explorer unit at that exact location. tactical drills, crime scene staging, so he was extremely familiar with that general area. just an incredible turn of events and i know this has been obviously around the clock for you, chief, appreciate you taking the time to talk to us. thank you. you re quite welcome. incredible turn of events. up next, an update on the breaking news, u.s. intelligence suggesting an isis bomb took down a plane and m ccoming up a the top of the hour, a brand-new this is life with lisa ling. i was out for a bike ride. i didn t think i d have a heart attack. but i did. i m mike, and i m very much alive. now my doctor recommends a bayer aspirin regimen to help prevent another heart attack. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. i have a resident named joyce, and i said come to class,bout let s start walking together and i said and i bet you money you ll be able to do that senior walk . that day i said ok it s me and you girl, me and you! i said if you need to stop, there s a bench we ll just hang out in the shade. she said absolutely not! we are going to finish this race! and we were the last ones in, but you know what? 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assault rifles tossing pipe bombs. there is a black suv riddled with bullet holes and police going door to door looking for one of three killers that walked into a social services complex. the inland regional center and opened fire. at least 14 people were killed. 17 hurt. some of them we re told badly wounded and all early reports of very fluid stories and as you re waiting for the press conference, we re going to bring that to you live. what we re interested in trying to learn is exactly how many suspects were involved in the shooting. is it just the two who are both believed to be down? one was seen dead on live television several feet away from an suv or dozens of feet away from an suv riddled with bullet holes. local media reporting on the scene and helicopter pilot reporting they could see another body in the backseat in that vehicle that was shot up with bullet holes. we have not been able to confirm that although police have not they have said the second person has been engaged. they didn t say that second person was killed or the status of that second person but we believe there may have been a second suspect inside that vehicle which you see right there. now the question of course is was there in fact a third shooter involved in this and if there was, where is that person now? we ve seen door to door searching and door to door searching going on in communities around there. there is a heavy police presence and again, we re waiting of a police news conference because frankly, the last one that occurred about an hour ago, the officer had just promised to give a press conference. there was really not she didn t have a lot of facts or information to give out and said at this press conference she believes there will be a lot more detail. this you earlier, some of the move thes of law enforcement. these are not live pictures you re seeing some of just the intense police response, multiple different agencies responding over the last several hours. this is an on going situation. kyung lah is on the scene and joins us as we re awaiting the press conference. bring us up to date on what you know now. reporter: we have spoken to the police sergeant, the highest ranking officer here speaking to the media basically trying to keep us updated until the police chief arrives. she is hoping that he s going to have some significant details to tell us. what she can tell us for now is that this, this active scene that you are seeing as night falls here in san bernardino is that it began as quote followup work after this scene that the officer approached this vehicle. gunfire was exchanged between this one officer and the suspects and i use the word suspects because that is the plural that the police chief tweeted out. the suspects fired, the officer was wounded and taken to the hospital. his injuries are not life threatening. as far as the suspects, the police chief tweeting that the suspects are down. as far as a manhunt, there is a very active, very dangerous manhunt going on right now. what the police sergeant is telling us is that officers are going door to door. this is a residential area. this is a populated area. they are concerned because there are also businesses nearby. they are not sure if any of these suspects might dive into one of these residences or one of these businesses and that s what they are concerned about. as night falls, it becomes extremely dangerous. what the sergeant is issuing for the public that lives here in san bernardino in this proximate one-mile radius, stay indoors. they do not know what is going to happen in this particular area and grow more concerned as the night falls, anderson. this idea of there being a third gunman, where does that come from? is that based on eyewitness reports from the scene of the initial shooting? you have it right. eyewitness reports in the initial shooting. the police heard from people reporter: yes? we should caution with eyewitness reports from an initial shooting often there are reports of multiple shooters or three shooters or more and very often those reports do not turn out to be accurate. so what s really critical it seems is the interview with the police officer who was wounded because that officer actually had eyes on the vehicle, had eyes on the suspects and according to the police tweet, they tweeted they did talk about suspects plural so we believe there were at least two and those two have been engaged and most likely one of them is dead. the status of the other not clear but believed to be in the was in the vehicle. it s not clear and police are not saying yet and they may say they may clarify at this press conference but we don t know for a fact there is a third suspect, correct? reporter: you re absolutely right. when the police chief announced there were three suspects, he cautioned everyone in front of the cameras saying initially these eyewitness reports a lot of people may have seen things that weren t really there. that is really what does happen when there is such a high level of panic and so much adrenaline going on. the police chief cautioning people, we believe there are three suspects but as you point out that very well could change. we can tell you if there are at least two suspects down, there still does remain an active search. whether going on the eyewitness reports or they believe they have eyes on a third one, they are looking through this neighborhood, looking for something. and obviously kyung, as night falls, it gets even more police house to house neighborhoods walking through. reporter: we re talking about suspects who came here, who looked as if they certainly had a plan and they were carrying long guns. we don t know exactly what type of bullets they were using. we don t know what type of protection the police need as they have less and less light to try to walk through these neighborhoods. put yourself in the situation. it s incredibly dangerous. that s really what is the law enforcement concern as night falls here and anderson, one thing we should point out is that there is a secondary scene. the initial scene behind me about a block away, they are still combing through the building and still working to try to piece together what happened, why it happened and that there are 14 people who were killed in this initial shooting, 17 people who are wounded. yeah. stick around. stay with us. i want to bring in deborah feyerick working her sources and brought us news. bring us up to date. what we do know, anderson, there were two men found in the vehicle, one of them is dead. unclear the status of the second man. both of them were found to have ar-15-type weapons and as police chased the vehicle, sources telling me that items were thrown from the car as the shootout ensued. one thing appears to be a pipe bomb. he is being questioned because he had eyes on the vehicle and knows how many people were inside. he was injured but he seems to be in good condition. we re told, anderson, that a search in the red land area could involve the home of one of the possible suspects. the authorities know of two individuals both of them at the car and a third being sought. this is what they are looking for. the fact they found a vehicle, whether rented or belongs to a suspect, that even if they don t have identification on them, even if they are not able to immediately get fingerprint analysis from the bodies of the one suspect we know is dead or some other identifying mark to identify him, tracing that vehicle can bring them very quickly immediately to the home or the last-known location of that person. that s exactly right, anderson. we saw a little of this back in the paris attacks two weeks ago. this is not to say this is that kind of attack. right now a lot of federal authorities are pushing back and saying that everybody is investigating this, but yes, that, all that will yield clues. who rented the vehicle, where the vehicle is from, when it was rented, the identity of the driver, the identity whether there were any other people registered to the vehicle. they will look at identifiers on the body, the known body that is dead along with closer to the people they are trying to get and the motive and this is chances are people will start claiming credit for this or at least they are going to be praising the attacks. that is a propaganda tool but again, federal authorities sort of saying right now they are really in the thick of the investigation and don t know. but that is a big sign and clearly, even looking at the pipe bombs that s going to be big, as well. we ve been focussing on how this engagement began. the second shooter s status unknown. we don t know if there is a shi third shooter out there. the fbi that investigated 15 years of shooter attacks in the country, more than 160 attacks, i think, if my memory serves me correct on the fbi report, there has only been maybe two or three that have involved multiple active shooters. well, exactly. the fbi and the justice department has been working aggressively to uncover different threads and plots and there was a plot uncovered in the new york, new jersey area over the summer, just before july 4th there was effectively a big roundup of a number of people who had links or who authorities were concerned could potentially act out and so the whole concept of multiples, you know, this is how individuals get strength. they find strength in sort of the commonality, find something they believe in together, finding a reason to carry out some sort of a hateful attack. so you re right, but they are looking at this very closely. one other thing anderson that i can tell you and that is you may see a bear cat was brought in one of the big heavy armored vehicles and i am told by the source that the body of the dead person was indeed checked for explosives and that was one of the things they were very concerned about. clearly lessons learned from previous attacks, anderson. deb, i m going to ask you this and i m not sure if you know more about this information, if you don t, i ll check with kyung lah to see if she does. the target, what we believe to have been the target of the attack and we know the facility but there was a conference center within the facility that often would be booked by outside groups. do we know exactly who the group was who was having a meeting or some sort of function at the that conference center at the time? because it seems like most of the fatalities, if not all occurred within that area. well, it was a government building. it was rented out. i do believe they know the group that was using that facility at the time but it s one of the groups you would not think these people would be a target of some sort of an attack like this. so that is obviously one of the things they are looking into, was this specific to the group of people? but was it local government officials or was it a private group? do we know? no, my understanding and you should check with kyung lah but my understanding is that it was sort of a government building with different public officials just having some sort of holiday celebration. okay. but they are looking that the and again, the soft target is the question right now and that is something that officials, anderson, you know have feared since 9/11. right. that attackers would go after the easiest targets and it doesn t matter who, it doesn t matter where. the objective of different kind of groups let me go go after vulnerability. let me go to kyung. do you know about the group meeting which appears to have been targeted because obviously, that is something law enforcement is looking at to see if there is a judge these people had against somebody in the group or there have been active shooter cases i remember one i think down in florida where a gunman went into a local city counsel meeting and started shooting at people on the city counsel because he had some sort of belief they had done him or his family wrong. do we know what group this was meeting, kyung? what we do know is that this was definitely not the building owner, which is a company that helps the developmentally disabled and have an auditorium and rent that to the county. the best description we could get as of right now, anderson, it was rented to county personnel. county personnel they were having the holiday celebration. that s the very best description that we have as of yet. i m sorry, could you repeat that? it was rented to county what? personnel. personnel. people who work for the county. okay. kyung, thank you. i want to bring in lenny depaul that headed the u.s. marshal task force from new jersey and new york and fbi director chris and also joining us and cnn law enforcement analyst art roderick and former assistant director of the u.s. marshal service and former nypd detective. harry, in terms of what you see from law enforcement movement on the ground, obviously with night falls, danger increases and difficulty. it s clear the police have a good reason to believe that there is a third person. that s why there were so many police officers out there. now, i m sure they questioned that officer first engaged the shooters and he would probably be able to be the best to tell them whether or not there were two people or three people in the vehicle. because he saw the vehicle. and engaged them. so when you see the police officers making moves like, you re seeing hundreds of police officers coming into the area. this is an astounding amount of police. you have the area you have to cover and know darkness is coming soon and want to clear this area. if that third shooter, if he does exist and in that area, they want to get him before dark comes. okay. it will make it hard. i want to hold the panel for a second and i want to bring someone caught in the middle of the shootout. david is a reporter and joins us by phone. david, i understand well, explain where you were and what you saw. okay. i was at there was a community center where family members were waiting to meet up with loved ones and i was interviewing some families there and then i got a tip that there was a sighting of the suv in a different part of town and i went driving towards there and i saw three or four police cars and lifeflight go on san bernardino avenue and i followed them and as i was following them, i heard a thunderous sound and there were these strange noises and i didn t know what it was. looking through there and a whipping sound and i pulled over and got out of the car, grabbed my camera and i could see some police officers ahead of me and i didn t hear any shooting and an outbreak of thunderous sound and police officers told me to get down and guns drawn, and waves and waves of police officers were comeing from behid me and it was kind of spore rad and fire up. i managed to cross the street and got into a front yard and hid behind a brick wall. it was really silent but police all over the place with guns drawn and agitated and then at one point a police officer saw me behind the blocked wall and approached me with guns drawn and i had literally got caught up in this and he with drew his gun and told me to get out of there and a family took me in and they waited it out in the yard and police finally came about a half hour later came and said they are getting ready to detonate a bomb they found and asked the family members to get inside and realized i was a journalist so escortied me out. this was at the location of the suv, correct? yes, i did not see the suv. i did not see the shooters or any of that. i it was a situation with a lot of gunfire and the shooting went on for a ten-minute period i would say and got quiet again. did you say i didn t see it all. i never had a point of view of them. did you say you heard shooting while you were driving as well? yeah, yeah, that s how the whole that s when i realized something was going on. i was actually driving about 30 miles per hour and hearing a whipping sound sling by the car and i found out later that where i was, the initial engagement occurred and apparently there was from what neighbors told me, eyewitnesss told me they saw shootings going down as they were going down the street. so i don t know how accurate that is but it is with what i saw. i m trying to zero in. the shooting you heard while you were driving, how far away were you from the location you eventually ended up at? about a block. okay. so that shooting went on from the first time you heard it was about a block away from where it actually you ended up? yeah, yeah. so the suv and police were still on the move when those shots were being fired. the gun battle appeared to be going down the street. okay. and then how far away from the suv were you when you actually got out of your vehicle and were hiding behind a structure? i don t know. there was a black suv right where i was hiding and it was just stopped in the street and i never was concerned that was the suspect s vehicle or another vehicle that looked like it. it could have very well been but i don t know for sure. so but you didn t see an suv. the police from my point of view were looking in yards on the north side of the road so it appears the suspect got out of the vehicles and police were going in looking in the homes on the north side of the street. i took refuge on the south side of the street the whole time. when you were out of your vehicle and you heard shots being fired, was it your impression again you may not know the answer to this, was it your impression there was incoming fire or fire mostly out going from police towards the suspects? i don t know which way it was going. that was a scary thing about it. i could see police up front and they were engaged in shooting but i couldn t tell which police were shooting and which were not. it seemed as though waves of police were just arriving behind me and running ahead of me with guns drawn. guns of, you know, some had handguns, others had assault rifles and they were all different uniforms of i recognized the police, san bernardino county sheriff s deputies as well as california highway patrol and i think i saw a colton police, colton is the neighboring city of san bernardino. right. david, david, listen, i appreciate you telling us what you saw. quite a dramatic day for you. david is a reporter with the press enterprise. thank you very much. we re back with the panel, lenny depaul, chris, art roderick and harry. what are you most interested in learning in terms of the details you heard that stand out to you and what do you need to know? the key part is there is a third suspect there is more police activity somewhere, not quite sure what that means. they would be following up on leads of the two individuals or one individual they have on the ground there that they had taken out earlier but motive is going to be the key here. if there is two or three individuals involved in this, what is their motive? criminal which we heard from pamela brown, criminal or dem me domestic terrorism. it s easy to have two or three shooters involved in this type of activity without some reason for doing it. chris, how much preparation do you think an attack like this needs to have or would have had? well, you know, we don t know the details of the attack but you can tell by the equipment they were carrying and the way they pulled this off that this had to have they had to have military training or train themselves, had access to assault weapons, possibly explosives and it has the hallmarks of a terrorist act. we ll have to find out. this is going to take couple hours here to unravel what we got on our hands here right now. it s also interesting, chris, if they had pipe bombs in the vehicle, does that mean was that part of the get away plan or were there other targets they planned to hit? did they want to hit multiple targets to create multiple havoc or specific other targets, again, this we don t know at this point but that s something that certainly raises questions the fact they had weaponry that they were using in the escape that they could have used elsewhere. yeah, i heard a theory earlier that there may have been a second attack planned or multiple attacks planned. they stayed in the area. the pipe bombs, the fact that they are not going to get taken alive. they obviously nobody made an attempt to surrender so i think there is a strong possibility that there were other attacks planned, either today or sometime in the near future. pamela brown reported and a source said the current belief is this a form of domestic terrorism or criminal based on what we know so far and early reports there is probably more we don t know than we do know. does that make sense to you? the criminal aspect doesn t. what do they get out of this? there was possibly some people from the department of public health from the state of california holding this conference there. that seems to be kind of an odd target for them unless there was something domestically involved but you got two or three shooters here. it s a very strange scenario for this to be criminal when you ve got this type of planning involved, high powered weapons, body armor and then a plan to escape. and that s the key part. they only spent a certain amount of time in the conference room and got out. dan is joining us and with the u.s. secret service. dan, again, we don t know if there is a third gunman what is on the loose. obviously the police are searching for that person now. if in fact he does exist, do you think, dan, at this stage in the investigation because it seems like there is a lot of confusion. we were told there would be a press conference 45 minutes ago that hasn t occurred. they are clearly trying to gather information so they can get that out to the public and want to get not only accurate information but find out if in fact there is a third shooter to be able to tell people if they still need to be, you know, wary and hunker down in their homes. what do you make of what you ve seen so far? right, exactly. it s not a crime scene situation so the crime is in fact stopped and you summed it up nicely. they want to ensure the attack is over so we don t know right now with this third gunman. we don t know that it s three gunmen. the information out there and reported in the media right now is sparse. is this a larger network? nobody knows. so this crime has to be reverse engineered when the crime actually stops and it goes into the crime scene investigation component to find out that this is hopefully just three and not part of a larger group. we don t know that yet. right. chris, i mean, that s a good point. are there confederates still out there who helped rent a vehicle, who helped rent a house and get weapons and helped previsit the location? we don t know. not to make a premature comparison to paris but the actual attack was conducted by small set of individuals but they were obviously aided and abedded by many others. we don t know that yet. we ought to get terminology straight. because it happened domestically doesn t make it domestic terrorism. 9/11 was an attack on american soil. if it is internationally inspired or international facilitation, that turns it into international terrorism. we have to keep an open mind on that. good point. we have no idea at this point. what is strange is the fact that, you know, why were they still in town? and the only reason i can come up with, there would be a second attack. now when they had the chance to attack a second location when the police were over at the other location for hours, right, and now they finally get spotted, so what was going through their minds? did something happen they couldn t make the second attack? all right? and why were they driving around town in the vehicle when they knew the police were looking for the vehicle? it s really strange to me whether or not there was going to be a second attack or did they want to finally confront the police. we should point out, you see somebody at the podium, the press conference has not begun. we ll bring it to you as soon as they begin. right now they are giving names of various officials. lenny depaul, i may have to interrupt you for the press conference. to the point of why would they be in the area, one key thing is how they actually got engaged by that officer who ended up being wounded, how that officer found that vehicle, was brought to that area and what they were doing in the area. well, that certainly is what is going through law enforcement s mind. why were they in the area. why did the three of them stay together in that target vehicle? they hit this place quick. methodical, got in there, did a lot of damage, got out. law enforcement, thank god, responded quickly but they stayed together. they were two miles from the target. what was on their minds? hopefully there is answers between witnesses and the police officer that confronted the vehicle and maybe there is witnesses that have some sort of intel but that s the million dollar question. does that surprise you that they are two miles from the original location, does it surprise you given what you know about how either fugitives operate or people doing multiple attacks to operate? it s scary and surprises me. what was their motive and mo? if there was three again, we don t know. i m sure we ll find out soon but, you know, they hit this first target quick. we don t know why or what their plans were there. stayed in the area couple miles from the original target. apparently they are pretty well armed with ar-15s and a lot of ammunition. what was their mind set and next move? nobody knows that. with two of them down from what i hear and the third one running around and report anything to the police and hear anything, see anything, dark, it s getting dark there so that certainly is going to be a problem, also. they will bring the appropriate assets which i ll sure they have already with aviation support, night vision, whatever they need. chris, police forces around the country are retraining for active shooter situations, new york city police retrained all 35,000 officers, washington d.c. police and i believe the lapd and not sure about san bernardino but lapd has gone through active shooter drills and drilling for multiple active shooter attacks in multiple locations. true. i think the larger departments have been drilling this nypd obviously in the forefront. tactics have changed. back in the days of columbine they would have formed a perimeter in a situation with an active shooter and deliberately did a slow and deliberate entry. now they are training for a dynamic engagement with the shooter. i m not sure that the smaller departments have this much training and not so sure the first responders, ones most likely to encounter scenarios like this get as much training as we think. the swat team obviously yes but not the ones that are out in the patrol car each day. the ones most likely to pull up on a scene like this so i don t think there is as much training as many people thing. agas we re awaiting this pre conference and i think it will be important and that s why we want to bring it to you live when it starts, we have cnn s scott glover reporter who has new information about search activity. scott, what down? anderson, i m in redlands california, not too far from san bernardino where the police are serving a search warrant in a building that a police p.i. confirmed linked to. there is heavy police presence out here for the past couple hours and a large armored swat vehicle. there are officers in military fatigues and i counted a couple doz dozen. you don t happen to know whether this was the suspect who was seen dead on the street or the suspect whose believed to have been in that suv for a potential third suspect, do we know? i do not know anything more than it s linked to today s activities, not to, you know, a particular which suspect it might be. again, a lot of police out here apparently a lot of interest but i don t know which suspects. okay. scott, do you happen to know the building that you said it s an apartment building. do you know if you may have gotten there and don t know but do you know is it a rental apartment or is it owner owned condo co-op? do we know? it appears to be rental apartments. i was out here fairly early on. the police presence quadrupled. we ve been pushed back and i can t really say that much about it other than it appears from my vantage point that it s, you know, just kind of a apartment complex. scott glover, appreciate it. we ll continue to gather information and check in with you throughout the evening. we re still here with our panel. dan, in terms of of looks like the press conference is just getting started so let s actually just go over to the press conference as we oh, okay. i m told it s not starting yet. they are getting situated. dan, does it surprise you, dan, that this suv had time to leave the area and didn t? my best guess is columbine dan, sorry, got to jump in here, let s listen. good evening, folks, this is the second official press conference we ll do on this. i m not going to go through all of the details we went through in the first press conference but i will say this, since that time, we are still working on the building here at the inland regional center. as officers were searching the building we mentioned there was some suspicious devices. one of the devices is believed to be a device that needs a slow approach to process the building and render that safe. i imagine we ll be here for several hours. on the investigative side, we followed up on tips. that took us to a residence in the city of red lands. when officers set up on the residence to watch it, there was a vehicle seen leaving that was suspected of possibly being involved. there ended up being a pursuit of the vehicle and that pursuit came back to san bernardino avenue between mountain view and richardson here in the city of san bernardino where the suspect vehicle stopped and there was an officer-involved shooting. we had multiple officers involved in the shooting. we have two suspects that are dead at the scene, one is a male, one is a female. we had one police officer that was wounded. he has injuries that are not considered to be life threatening and he is at a local hospital and expected to be okay. of the suspects that were, that are dead at the scene, one is a male, one is a female. they were dressed in kind of assault-style clothing, i think is probably the best way to term it. they were both armed with assault rifles. they were both armed with handguns, and there is also kind of some sensitive stuff around the vehicle that they are not real sure and taking a very cautious approach to dealing with the vehicle in case there is more explosives there. with that, i m going to turn it over to dave with the fbi to talk about sop parts of the investigatio investigation. thank you, chief. first off close to the mic please. i m the assistant director in charge of the fbi here in the los angeles field office. spell that. bowdich. first off, we want to extend our true sadness to the families of the victims. there are many, many victims who were involved here, some are obviously deceased. others are wounded and being treated as we speak. this is truly a tragedy in our country, and we will continue to apply all the resources necessary to assure that both us, the sheriff s department, the san bernardino police department as well as the atf work this thing together to assure that we have chased down every lead to solve this case. secondly, we are bringing in fbi resources. we have agents on a house in red lands california now, we do not know the contents of this house but previous active shooter incidents have shown us there are times when devices are left behind. we have no indications there are devices to my knowledge but we certainly are going to proceed very cautiously into that house to preserve life and limb of our employees. we re bringing evidence response teams in to work hand and hand with the state and local partners on the officer-involved shooting scenes, as well as the scene here where we have multiple victims, as well as the house. we will continue to go down this road this say marathon, not a sprint. i know one of the big questions that will come up repeatedly is this terrorism? i am still not willing to say that we know that for sure. we are definitely making some movements that it is a possibility. we are making some adjustments to the investigation. it is a possibility. but we don t know that yet. and we re not willing to go down that road yet. david, the relationship between the two dead suspects? unknown at this point. how old approximately are they? i do not even know that. what about the third suspect, there was talk of a third suspect. there is a third suspect and i don t know the disposition of that suspect. i would defer that question to the chief. what i will tell you on any indications of terrorism or this investigation and i told a few of you already, we will go where the evidence takes us. it s possible it goes down that road. it s also possible it does not. we re just not sure yet and when we are fairly sure, we will let you know. do you have a motive for this? is this possibly terrorism? there are a number of potentials and there is a few potential things but we just don t know and i m not willing to go down that road. this is a very fluid active investigatio investigations. we are still gathering some facts ourself because this scene is spread throughout the city into another city and incredibly fluid and that s the way these things we ll get there. the names of the deceased? any information about the identity of the third suspect, description, age, anything? so i should have included that when i talked a moment ago. we had an officer-involved shooting between mountain view and richardson. there were two people in the vehicle, both of those people are deceased. there was a third person that was seen running away, we do not know if they were involved. we have that person detained. i don t have information on who this person was yet and we don t know if they were involved. it s possible they were not. in addition to that and the reason we put things on social media and ask for people to shelter in place because there were folks that called in and had reported they heard folks, they heard somebody jumping fences and they reported some of that activity in the neighborhood. we don t know if that was possibly responding officers but we took a cautious approach and locked down the neighborhood and asked people to shelter place and searched the neighborhood extensively. as of a couple minutes ago that search is wrapped up and no e a additional folks have been contacted there. we can lift the shelter in place order there. do you know why this location? we do not have a motive. proximate age of the suspects? i do not have that right now. keep in mind, keep in mind that i said that there were some things that were causing the officers to take a very, very cautious approach in approaching the suspects and so we just are not that far into the investigation yet. possibility these suspects might have had suicide vests or something similar? i don t know. i have not heard suicide vest, no. do you believe this situation is clear that people are safe? are there still more shooters potentially out there? we feel confident about the neighborhood where the officer-involved shooting took place and secure that and there is nobody outstanding there. we re reasonably confident on that. on the broader scale of the investigation, we had information there were potentially three shooters. we re at a point where we are tracking down that information. we re going to try to continue to identify if there was a third person involved or potentially even more people that might have been involved in the planning but we re still pretty early on that part of the investigation. how about a holiday party i can t listen to all. there is a report at the holiday party somebody left angrily, went out and came back with two other people, guns and started firing, any truth to that? i have heard that they were in a meeting or holiday party type event at the inland regional center. somebody did leave, but we have no idea if that is the person that came back. so you that s a possibility then? somebody did leave. there was some type of dispute or something when somebody left the party but we have no idea if those are the people that came back. any weapons recovered at the point of the shootout? you said long guns they were assault style weapons. that type of weapon yes. are there explosives near the black suv currently? there was a report they potentially threw a pipe bomb. we rendered that device safe. it was not an explosive. we re still working on the vehicle and making sure that is safe. can you give us anything on description of the suspects, their appearance or ethnicity, age? just the way it was described to me and i said this in the first press conference, they came dressed and equipped and i think the people that we have at the scene that are deceased are dressed in that way. they are dressed in dark kind of tactical gear, i think is the best way i ll put it. ethnicity, anything like that? i don t know. since you served the search warrant, is it your understanding i didn t say we served a search warrant. we understand you served a search warrant, is it understood they were held up in the general area the whole time? there was information on the early part of the investigation as we started to develop information there was one particular focus area we went and there were a couple but there was one particular focus area we went to and it was one of the followup focus areas that led us to the house in redlands. did it appear they lived there? that their house? address was connected to the followup that we had. i don t know. i don t know who thes suspects are. do you believe the police killed the two people at the end. they were carrying assault style weapons. were they ak-47s. i don t know the specific model of the gun. the two people in the suv? two people in the suv, both deceased. one male, one female while they were engaged in the gun battle with police officers, we had several officers that shot at them and into the vehicle. i don t know what bullets caused their death. the person in custody not sure of their involvement? we have a third person seen leaving the area. he is detained. we do not know the extent of his involvement, if any. [ overlapping speakers ] it was he was the person was detained very close to where the officer-involved shooting. was he wearing similar clothing. i don t know. there was an arrest there was somebody detained. we have not identified them yet. did that person have weapons on them, the third suspect detained, weapons located on that person? i don t have information. any words exchanged during the gunfire between the suspects and the police? i don t know. what is their nationality. i don t know. okay. we ll try to do another press conference sometime around 8:30, 9:00. hopefully we ll have more information at that time. thank you. all right. so there you just heard the chief, you heard the fbi, we ll get reaction from the panel but if you re just joining us, i want to bring you up to date. two suspects dead, a male and female both involved with officer-involved shootings at that location where you saw the suv riddled with bullet holes killed in that location. the body of one was in the street and the other one believed to be in the vehicle itself. they are being very cautious about approaching that vehicle because of sensible what the chief called sensitive stuff around the vehicle itself. could not confirm the age. the relationship between the man and the woman and anything about their identities. said that a third person was seen running away from or leaving the scene the area where that shooting occurred. they don t know if that person has any involvement in this. if you just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and being questioned would not say, didn t know if the person had a weapon on them. some people called in reports of the sound of people, somebody jumping fences and people calling and hearing police officers jumping fences because as you heard from the reporter who was on the scene earlier david, as you saw the live pictures that area was swarming with police. they believe the search wrapped up and people have no longer shelter in place. i have to go back to the panel. jonathan and dan, just to get a quick round to the key points for the panelist heard in the press conference, lenny depaul, let s start with you. what part is critical in this? i guess the good thing, anderson, the threat appears to be eliminated for now it is until nay do a lot of followup. having a male and female involved, the assistant special agent in charge with the fbi was going down that road with terrorism, which is scary in itself. there was a lot of preplanning. they were tactically sounded and dressed for the occasion and had good ammunition and weaponry involved. they have a lot of hole work to do and who knows what is waiting for them as this investigation continues. and lenny mentioned terrorism. the fbi official said the terrorism is a possibility that they are making adjustments to the investigation there is a few potential things that make them think sit a possibility but he would not go down that road, would not give out any more details and say they are still gathering facts and the chief said somebody did leave. there was a dispute at the meeting in the inland regional center where there was a meeting or holiday party. in the clear the nature of the meeting for local officials or county personnel but that there was some sort of dispute, somebody left. it s not clear if the person is the person that came back shooting. let s just check in, harry what interested you the most. the third person. it would be easy to see what they did. the weapon inside the vehicle and there probably was a third person. the fact also that this dispute with this gentleman allegedly left and come back, this was too well planted for somebody getting mad at somebody and come back and shoot them. that disputes should go out evan perez has additional details from law enforcement sources. evan? anderson in regards to the question in the holiday event and ended up being the scene of the shooting, i m told that law enforcement does believe it is related, it is the person who ended upcoming back with a couple of other people and then the shooting began inside this holiday event. now what are the explanations for that? there could be number of them including perhaps somebody wanted to make sure they knew whatever they were trying to target was in this room, perhaps, that could be it. again, this also could be it still could be a terrorism incident as the fbi assistant director there in los angeles said at the press conference. at this point, these are all the possibilities being explored but law enforcement at this point does believe the person that got into an argument in the event in the holiday event and then left and then came back because of a beef they had with someone in there or other people, multiple people in there and then this shooting began and so we do know they recovered two pistols and two ar-15 style handguns, rifles, i m sorry, long guns and so those are also now being traced to see where those came from. again, at this point terrorism is not ruled out, it s something they are trying to put together. evan, when we hear this is someone at the event and left, this sounds like this was somebody that had a reason to be at the event like an office party and had a fight and left and came back with somebody else. but is it possible that this person wasn t really supposed to be there, came there because they knew this gathering was occurring, had a confrontation left and came back. clearly, there was a level of preparation involved in this. so we don t i m assuming we don t know whether this person was meant to be there, supposed to be there or just showed up there, correct? yeah, the suspicion at this point, this say work in theory from law enforcement is that this person got into the vent, was at the event and left either was kicked out or there was some dispute that caused them to have to leave and then returned with two people. now you raise a good possibility, a good question whether this person simply was being kicked out because he didn t belong there or but he was in there and then exited or was kicked out and then came back with two people. your reporting is incredibly important because what it does is reemphasize the importance on trying to learn as much as we can about the event and i m not clear in the reporting that we ve heard so far about who was meeting here. i mean, the most it s been described is county personnel and you re saying yeah, a county apparently a county health employee group, anders anderson. some kind of county health agency that was meeting there or having their holiday christmas event in the auditorium rented out by this inland regional center and so they had this had nothing to do with the center itself but happened to be the scene of where this holiday event was taking place. again, that was a county, these were county employees, health employees and apparently it s a very large agency within the county government there that was having its event there and again, whether or not this person belonged there or worked with that agency and simply had a beef, we still don t know. did this person have a gripe with this county health agency or employee? right. evan, i got to break away for a second. stick around because scott glover is back on the phone at a house there appears to be a raid going on. explain what you re seeing, scott. caller: well, just a moment ago, the fbi announced over a loud speaker to the occupants of this townhouse or apartment, this is the fbi, please come to the front door and said that multiple times. it s unclear from my vantage point if there is officers on scene and there is a pio from the redlands police department saying they are here to assist for the search warrant and related to the shootings and activity earlier in the day. scott, just a couple questions here. we just learned that tips led law enforcement earlier in the day prior to the after the shooting at the inland regional center but prior to the suv being the shootout with the suv. tips led them to a residence where they saw a vehicle leaving the scene and that was the suv they began following that ended up in the shooting and the killing of the two suspects. is that the residence you are at? do you know? caller: i believe that that is the residence that i m at. i spoke with a law enforcement officer that said this is the only active scene in redlands and it is my belief that i am outside that location and certainly from the number of law enforcement officers here and the length of time they have spent here it seems to be of great interest for them. i know your distance from it and don t have eyes on it, do you have any idea how many apartment there is are in this facility? they are telling people to come out. has the building not been evacuated? well, it s a i can t i mean, there are many units in there. they are either down homes or apartments and from my vantage point, i can t see how large the complex isme. they announced a specific address three or four times and told the acoccupants to come to the front door. i can still see, you know, a swat vehicle, another law enforcement vehicle down in the area where that announcement was made and again, police have been masking here over the past couple hours, the police presence probably quadrupled since i arrived and there are probably several dozen officers here now. it s hard for me to be specific because it s dark at this point and i ve been kept a distance away. scott, this is your reporting is important to piece the puzzle together because we know early reports were, initial reports were there were three shooters involved, two police. those were based on eyewitnesss at the time if people are dressed similarly in the confusion sometimes people see multiple gunmen even though there aren t in this case we know there were two people involved but are there a third? we don t know. the police said they apprehended a third person or person leaving the scene near where the shootout occurred that were the two suspects were killed. that person is being held unclear whether that person has any involvement. they searched an area around the suv based on local residents hearing somebody jumping over fences and believe they cleared that area. this raises now another possibility which we haven t really thought about up until now which is that if there was a third shooter involved in this and that they went back to this apartment which we believe they did because it was police who saw them leaving this apartment in the vehicle which led them to follow this suv, there is a new possibility that if there was a third shooter, that third shooter is in the apartment and that s why they are calling out now. that s a possibility. we don t know if that s the fact or not and we re looking at a live picture from the area in redlands. caller: yeah. and i was going to say i would think that it would be the protocol to make the announcement no matter what, whether they think they will find someone in there or not, but clearly they are concerned and as you were speaking, anderson, i see them rolling out some sort of robot device you might use to go in and deal with an explosive or something like that. i can t say for sure but that s what it appears to be and whatever the case, they are certainly being very cautious and taking their time here. so the fact that they are calling out about executing a search warrant, calling out for somebody in a specific apartment to come out, it would appear and i don t know how long you have been on the scene or if you now how long the police presence has been on the scene although they were clearly staking this apartment out after the initial clo slaughter because they saw the vehicle leave but it seems they haven t gone in the apartment yet or they have with the robotic device. that s my feeling they have yet to enter the apartment and that s how it seems. but it s a fluid situation and i cannot see the area where they would enter. i can t see the front door. i don t know what s happened since they made the announcements. what appears to be the robotic device has not been used yet. i m looking at that now. that s much closer to me than the location that they are standing in front of. okay. obviously it s prudent of them to use a robotic device given the concern, first of all, they are still searching the area, initial area, inland r