they may not even have to go that far. i think the lesson is that you can terrorize people into not doing anything just by having a law and having the threat out there that somebody could be criminally prosecuted for doing something. the comstock act, this is not a hypothetical. there are lots of folks in right-wing circles writing about and talking about this. lisa rubin, thank you. thank you. that is all in on this thursday night. alex wagner starts now. good evening. there are women already terrified making choices about bodily economy. certainly. fear at all levels of american society. thank you, my friend. today donald trump made his first visit to capitol hill. the first time since his followers ransacked the capital on january 6. to understand why trump chose to come back now after more than three years away, you don t have to look as far back as the insurrection. you just have to remember what trump has been asking congress to do since his criminal conviction two weeks ago. the day after trump was convicted of 34 felony counts in his new york hush money case, eight republican senators vowed to oppose all biden nominees and all democratic legislation as retribution. today six republican senators led by j.d. vance put the oppose all biden nominees part of that into writing. senators explained they would block nominees including anyone who suggested the trump prosecutions were reasonable. anyone who opposed trump s guilt. anyone who supported organizations that celebrated the indictment of donald trump and anyone who supported alvin bragg or supported lawfare or censorship in other ways. which is just big enough to include basically anyone president biden nominated. these republican senators say their blockade will last until election day and in practical terms that means the u.s. government will not be able to appoint representatives to things like the u.n. general assembly or the world health organization or even the not particularly political seeming places like the civil aviation organization and public buildings reform board. what exactly do those organizations have to do with prosecuting donald trump? nothing. this is not about policy, it is about retribution. you might remember last year senator tommy tuberville pulled a similar stunt. tuberville became the first senator in history to do a long- term blockade of u.s. military appointments. senator tuberville kept more than 400 qualified servicemembers, 400, from being appointed or promoted for 10 months. all because of a department of defense policy that had nothing to do with those servicemembers. the blockade was such a blatant misuse of power. it was not just democrats who were appalled. there were some of his fellow republican senators no matter if you believe it or not senator tuberville, this is doing great damage to our military. this power is extraordinary that we are given as individual senators, but it is incumbent to use it in a reasonable way. everybody uses holds. the key is you put a hold on someone who typically has some kind of control over the issue you are trying to fix. there is not one senator in here who could not find a reason to object to an administration policy. in the military. none of us. we could all find something. i hope we don t do this routine. i just hope we don t do this routinely. does two times count as a routine? if so this makes it a routine and this time it is not even about the policy disagreement, however tangential. it is so republicans can protest donald trump being found guilty by a jury of his peers. today we also saw 29 republican senators sign onto this letter disparaging the rule of law and saying trump s conviction was nothing short of the evisceration of the american judicial process. so it is safe to say that from now to november the u.s. senate is effectively going to be at a standstill and unable to govern, not because of policy disagreements, but so republicans can perform an act of retribution on donald trump s behalf. as for the house where republicans hold a majority, well, things are looking worse. politico is out with new reporting saying that in the days after trump s conviction trump made a f bomb filled call to speaker johnson. trump s message, we have to overturn this. now a few weeks after that call it looks like speaker johnson s mission is not just to grind the government to a halt like his republican colleagues in the senate. it is to use the power of the government to make trump s criminal concerns go away. by way of an example yesterday, house republican leaders spent the day whipping votes for a bill that would allow presidents charged at the state level to move those cases to federal court. let me check my notes. how many presidents have been criminally charged at the state level again? oh, only one. what an interesting use of congressional power. politico also reports the speaker johnson is in talks with jim jordan about using the appropriations process to target special counsel jack smith and de-fund his investigation. neither of those have the votes to pass yet, but that is the kind of stuff that republicans in congress are working on right now, which helps put into context why donald trump went back to capitol hill today. it was not for any legitimate legislative concern. it was for what republican congressman matt gaetz called a pep rally for president trump. a pep rally complete with an early birthday party for donald trump himself. 11 something to do with this room. joining me now is the senior editor at slate two covers the courts and philip, columnist for the washington post. the birthday cake, pardon the culinary metaphor, but it really is the icing on the cake of fealty if that is the metaphor. are you surprised that the pledges of allegiance as they are are so explicit, so undisguised on capitol hill? i am not surprised. this is something we have seen for years. watching that package, the thing that struck me as republicans are a little bit like parents on an airplane with a crying child. they have this source of frustration and everyone is sick of it. they are stuck and have got to figure out how to calm this kid down. the kid is donald trump and he is mad about being convicted. don t worry, i will talk to the supreme court. they are doing everything to keep him happy, keep him quiet, keep him on their side and most importantly keep him from lashing out against them. that is what we see with this. they are all trying to keep him happy, keep him quiet and get through this. they are terrified of him and they adore him. he is the center of their universe and they can t control him at all. i do wonder as you see the machinations of the conference and republicans in the senate openly trying to undermine the rule of law, does it not throughout the notion of the justice system in america as we watch the legislative branch to this work? i think that is a feature, not a bug. i think we are seeing a systematic attack on the rule of law. i think even if we had not had the conviction in the new york trial, we have seen a long- standing set of attacks on judges, on juries, on, you know, prosecutors. on witnesses. i think the whole zeitgeist is, and it is not a surprise. this is a classic authoritarian play. just to foment doubt in institutions. if you foment enough doubt people start looking longingly at the strongman who will save them when institutions crumble. so no part of this is new or unfamiliar. i think what is interesting is seeing a lot of republicans who might have, at one point felt about donald trump, but stood fast on the principle that judges and juries and statutes and the concentration actually enforce some meaning. the degree to which they abandoned that and see no value in that i think is the part that is new and chilling. to that point, the idea that they will withhold these nominations across the government, right? the tuberville blockade wasn t great politics and yet they survived it and they are replicating it. on a different level it is not the u.s. military and certainly the w.h.o. and u.n. are not favorites of the republican party, but nevertheless they are stymieing the work and they think it is good politics? they do think it is good politics from the standpoint that the political focus at this point is retribution against joe biden and that is what they are focused on. mitch mcconnell doesn t wake up in the morning and say that is what he wants to do, but he understands. it is also mitch mcconnell in 2016, holding a supreme court seat. we have also seen this pattern in the past and it is very anti- institutional, but fundamentally about sending a message to the american public that d.c. does not do what it is supposed to do and we need to get trump in there. to make us do our work again. right. that is the singular focus from now to election day. i do think, you know, republicans are betting that the electorate won t punish them for this and that the broader american electorate is not tuned into this. this is part of the swamp, part of the dysfunction of the capital and you make an important point in one of your pieces this week about normalcy bias. americans have a normalcy bias. it leads them to believe everyone who tells them that everything is awesome. even as that system is hanging together by way of dental floss. we are talking about a system of justice, but i think it has extended to the dysfunctional government. because it still exists, because there is still a congress that occasionally passes laws, people can deride functionality, but they don t think democracy is in danger of falling apart in the same way they hold trumps criminal conviction as an example. a jury of peers found him guilty. it all works. things are not normal right now. things are very abnormal and i wonder if you can talk a little bit more about your level of panic in this moment. i try not to use the word panic because it makes my parents super scared, but i guess i would say think about where we were in 2016. what was deemed disqualifying in that race and think about the fact that in the intervening time we have civil jury s finding trump guilty of being a sexual abuser. we have 34 felony convictions. we have january 6. we have donald trump, who ran in 2016. we forget in the fog of memory, but as a family man, as a businessman who was going to drain the swamp. now just running as a straight up autocrat. he is running under the banner of violence, of suppression of rights, of suppression of speech. of deporting immigrants. this is really scary, what has happened, and it seems people are almost less dialed up now than they were in 2016 when they were like that access hollywood tape sounds bad. now every single day you get this drumbeat of what i think is really distressing. you know, saying kind of the quiet part loud about wanting to create an authoritarian state and i think we normalized it because we have to get to cvs to fill our prescriptions and we are raising our kids and we are tired. i think this allows us to wait until some adult says break the glass. i think what we have metabolized is normal is deeply frightening. you write about the way in which republicans were very incensed about the trump conviction. democrats were not about hunter biden s conviction and as a result republicans are up in arms and democrats are largely accepting of the hunter biden conviction. i find a number that is particularly staggering around all of this, is the number of people who acknowledge that the donald trump conviction is the right call. it is not moving them at all in their support for trump. this is new monmouth pulling out today. do you agree or disagree with the verdict finding trump guilty? 47% agree. 34% disagree. then you look at the numbers of people who are definitely or probably supporting each candidate. biden, 43. trump, 44. numbers are not moving even in the face of saying this conviction was the right thing. what does this tell you? it tells me two things. first we should expect this from the standpoint that even before the verdict a fifth of trump supporters said they thought he already committed a crime. we will vote for him anyway. the second thing is that donald trump did an effective job of inoculating his base against this. it is not just last year. it is in 2016. as soon as the russian investigation came to public consciousness he started saying it is a hoax and that pattern is continuing. it really helped his base. once they bought in on that that was it. this indictment, they look at it and they are like, that is exactly what he said. at some point rational people step back and are like it is hard to believe that they came up with all of these different crimes. they ve been busy. they are like they are allowed to get him. calling it an inoculation is right. ironic. because we had breaking news in the vein of the abnormal tonight, i want to get your thoughts. clarence thomas, who is a key part of the system of justice and rule of law, found to have three additional undisclosed trips that he took from his billionaire a friend harlan crow. these were trips he did not disclose. this is on top of the hundreds of thousands if not millions of gifts he has taken thus far and only lately come clean about. what does this tell you about the danger we are in in terms of the high court and the lesson it sends to lower courts? i think i would put this under the bucket that philip has been talking about. law is for suckers. you may have disclosure statutes. you may have ethics rules. you may have all sorts of obligations. this is not a surprise. and then coming out in drips. last week we had a partial disclosure of some of the trips that were paid for. but not all of them and here are three more trips that were never disclosed. so i think this is kind of part of the larger trump theory which is that we have leaders who do not have to answer to the rule of law and when the little guy fails to get his death penalty paperwork right, he goes to the death chamber. when clarence thomas again and again, time after time after time, does not file disclosures or amends disclosures partially, that s okay because the law is for the little guy. i find it part of this sort of very systemic devaluation of the rules that everyone is supposed to abide by and it is a very systemic effort i think to normalize the notion that some people are too cool and important to follow the rules. everyone is supposed to abide by the law. thank you both for your time and thoughts tonight. really appreciate it. we have much more ahead tonight. do you have any summer travel plans? 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we could all unsubscribe and switch to xfinity. their connection is unreal. and we could all un-experience this whole session. okay, that s uncalled for. in a unanimous decision today, the united states supreme court maintained access to the primary pill used in most abortions, mifepristone. the court rejected a bid to restrict access to that drug on procedural grounds. justice kavanaugh claimed the plaintiffs, a collection of antiabortion doctors and dentists and unlicensed retirees calling themselves the alliance for hippocratic medicine, justice kavanaugh said they had no legal standing to challenge the drug s approval. this case is dead, but the group of doctors say they are not done. the court said the clients don t have standing in this case. we are grateful the case will continue with three states working to hold the fda accountable for its reckless actions. today republican attorney generals in missouri, idaho and kansas are continuing to challenge access to mifepristone using the same legal argument in the case the court rejected today. this time they are framing access as an infringement on states rights. even if this challenge fails in federal court, there are still restrictions at the state level. last month in louisiana where abortion is already banned, it became the first state to classify both drugs used for medication abortion as controlled, date dangerous substances. effectively shutting down access to these pills through the mail. joining me now is nancy northup, president for the center for reproductive rights. i would first like your general reaction. was it one of optimism, anxiety, pessimism? how did you see it? well, it was huge relief because if the supreme court had upheld the ruling from the fifth circuit, then availability of medication abortion by telemedicine, receiving it by mail, things that made it much easier for people to get access to medication abortion if they do not live near a clinic, if they do not take time off, could have been taken away. so relief, but frankly also anger because we should not have been here to begin with. you can tell that nine of these justices agreed with each other. this case had no merit in the law and no merit in fact. so while i am breathing a sigh of relief today, i am really concerned. we know and you just showed us, you just heard, the campaign against medication abortion by those who are opposed to abortion is far from over. yeah and it seems very clear that the adf, the legal organization that offended these doctors, is out there, ready for the next wave of this which involves the states. the attorney general of kansas said today that states have the standings that the doctors in this case did not. how concerned are you about that legal theory? well i am concerned about it because obviously we have lower court justice who even agreed to this case that the supreme court said had no merit and threw it out. but it does not have merit. you can t go into court because you disagree with the ruling based on science by the fda. let s be clear. why are they going after medication abortion? because it is the method of choice by almost two thirds of women who have abortion in the united states today, choosing medication abortion. they want to cut that off. they want to cut it off in states where abortion is illegal, in states like illinois and new york and california and beyond. we need to be concerned because trying to keep coming in with the junk science as they did in this case and really baseless claims, they will keep on going. they can t ban medication abortion, which obviously is the end goal. there is a non-core strategy which is for states to independently take it upon themselves as louisiana did to say this should be a controlled substance. we are not going to use a here. is that the most pernicious strategy? is that the one you are most concerned about or do you think the whole ballgame of banning it nationally is where they will focus their firepower? they are going to do both and let s also remember that abortion is already banned in louisiana. so where we are today is the same status quo which is unacceptable and harmful. 14 states have banned abortion with really severe criminal penalties and for people in those states, you know, that status quo is completely unacceptable. in the meantime, nancy, as this is debated in the courts and so forth, there is a reality for people seeking bodily autonomy and healthcare across this country. the new york times has a staggering map of the number of people traveling across state lines to seek abortion care. 171,000 people traveled for abortions last year, which was more than double the amount in 2019. what is the picture you can paint for us about the reality of abortion care and reproductive health care in the united states right now? it is completely unacceptable that in 2024, four people in 14 states, that they have to travel out of state to get care they should be able to get in- state. we were in congress yesterday. there was a hearing in the subcommittee of the judiciary on of course travel out of state and one of our clients in texas talked about how because she was denied a medically necessary abortion in texas, what would have taken 15 minutes and turned around her health in 15 minutes, she had to spend three days and thousands of dollars going to the state of colorado. that is the reality for so many women and not everybody can leave their state. they don t have the means or the child care or the time off from work. it is really a healthcare crisis happening in the country right now. a completely self afflicted crisis. nancy northup from the center of reproductive rights, it is great to have your perspective. thanks for your time tonight. thank you. survivors of the sandy hook massacre reached a major milestone this weekend tomorrow could bring another measure of justice. first, donald trump s new election strategy to compete against joe biden and the rustbelt. insult the wisconsin city hosting the republican national convention. we have more on that, coming up next. we re trying to save the planet with nuggets. because we need the planet. and we also need nuggets. impossible. we re solving the meat problem with more meat. slowing my cancer from growing and living longer are two things i want from my metastatic breast cancer treatment. and with kisqali, i can have both. kisqali is a pill that when taken with an aromatase inhibitor helps delay cancer from growing and has been proven to help people live significantly longer across three separate clinical trials. so, i have the confidence to live my life. kisqali can cause lung problems or an abnormal heartbeat, which can lead to death. it can cause serious skin reactions, liver problems, and low white blood cell counts that may result in severe infections. avoid grapefruit during treatment. tell your doctor right away if you have new or worsening symptoms, including breathing problems, cough, chest pain, a change in your heartbeat, dizziness, yellowing of the skin or eyes, dark urine, tiredness, loss of appetite, abdomen pain, bleeding, bruising, fever, chills, or other symptoms of an infection, a severe or worsening rash, are or plan to become pregnant, or breastfeeding. long live life and long live you. ask your doctor about kisqali today. they say we should stop eating so much meat. and long live you. so we made meat out of plants. because we aren t quitters. impossible. we re solving the meat problem with more meat. are your gutters clogged? 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it is not the end-all, be- all, but it is critical to maintain the presidency. when you look at wisconsin, i appreciate donald trump trying to dig a hole and keep digging, but you and i know what he is trying to do which is to set up a rural and urban divide. that is a state that he won in 2016. flashforward and biden wins with 20,000 votes. what happened in those four years? 300,000 more people voted in the state of wisconsin and that help to deliver a margin for biden. for those playing along at home, what are you expecting in 2024 and if it is closer to 2020, biden is in a great place. closer to 2016 and trump is in a better place. it is generating enthusiasm for the states to win. what you think about his actions and priorities in terms of what he talks about tailored to those states? what effect do you think that will have on the man in the coming months? will we see a focus on certain issues over others? geography matters. if you think of michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, what defines them? these are states that you know well that are factory towns that of lost jobs. due to manufacturing that has moved away from the united states. these are towns that are proud and built trades and apprenticeships. cars and parts supplies and they made crayons and all kinds of things. all kinds of stuff that we like and we saw those jobs move abroad. here comes joe biden saying i ve got a different plan. i ve got a plot that says we will make it in america. we will invest in industrial policymaking to bring jobs back. the priority is not just getting it cheap, to get equality and good and made in the united states. in 2016 and 2000 17 2017, everything is going terribly. here is joe biden doing it and now the politics as to translate in the states where we make that choice. you can see the way donald trump is campaigning. he does not have the same ability to go to these towns and argue that somehow he will do something to rebuild these areas when joe biden has come along to start to do it. the goal is to educate people about the fact that this choice has been made and do we stay on the track that joe biden is offering? do you feel there is tension within some of the states and i will pick pennsylvania because you have a more urban and suburban electorate clustered on philadelphia that he has to keep on his ledger and perhaps even expand his support and he also has allegheny county and the rustbelt part of the state which is much more of the scranton joe persona. is that a delicate balance? those are very different voters, different levels of income, different levels of information and education. how do you see his ability to strike a balance between the two? i tend to believe, alex, that i think joe biden does it well. the persuasion audience, the people who have not yet made up their mind about either candidate, the ones who are concerned about joe biden here and maybe donald trump there, those are working-class people who are often defined by not having a college degree, holding down a job, making under $100,000 a year. that to me is where you have to be laser focused and to my mind the argument they have not heard and need to hear over the next few months as you have a billionaire and ceo class. we are speaking on a day when donald trump went to the business roundtable to tell them you will get tax cuts for the rich. i will come back and you will be so happy. they have to know that that is the choice. as you mentioned, scranton joe, who has been taking on a billionaire class. trying to un-rigged the economy. fighting junk fees. going after uncompetitive mergers. things that speak to your pocketbook and trying to make your life better. here is a guy promising every day that i ve got the ceos backs. i will deliver tax cuts. that i think will be decisive and if you hone in on that working-class audience i do think they are the most important of all of the audiences we need to persuade. you are being generous and suggesting donald trump had a strategy by insulting the city of milwaukee, calling it horrible reportedly. mike johnson i think was on another cable news network saying he did not hear trump say that. i think other republicans don t think that is a great strategy, if it is a strategy. you know, is alex, i will say i blame myself for this. i listen to every donald trump speech and and everyone he tells you about the decline of american cities. he will go to san francisco, new york and wherever he is. he will pick a place nearby. everything is terrible. it is no slip of the tongue. this is intentional and by design. he is realizing the politics might not play exactly as i wanted it to because i will be going there shortly to court those votes. but this is what he believes. this is the american carnage theory. he believes in decline and everything is terrible. well, maybe he forgot that actually the rnc was in milwaukee, which is entirely possible. in the strange brain of donald trump. thank you as always for your wisdom and enthusiasm. it is great to see you. thank you, alex. coming up, today was the deadline for donald trump to file motions in his hush money trial ahead of sentencing next month. what did we hear from the former president and his legal team? 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plants and meatpacking plants. these aren t the most powerful people and where do they turn? you have a right-wing house of representatives and a very right-wing supreme court. exactly and i think this is why so many people feel powerless and ironically some are feeling so powerless that they turn to somebody who looks like a strong man. wright, with a golden toilet. who was actually at this moment giving big tax breaks and promising more tax breaks to the biggest corporations. people need to know that the most important thing to remember is the massive trump tax cut will expire next year. he is not for the regular person. robert reich, thank you so much. that is tonight s reidout . all in with chris hayes starts now. tonight on all in a hero s welcome on capitol hill for the architect of the insurrection. we are 100% unified behind his candidacy. a lot of support. the best speech i ve ever heard. we are incredibly unified in working with president trump to get him elected. tonight, how congressional republicans became accomplices to the criminal ex-president. this is an outstanding group of people. i m with them 1000%. they are with me 1000%. as trump pressures the speaker of the house to overturn his felony conviction. then, new reporting on undisclosed luxury gifts to clarence thomas. and why today s supreme court ruling on abortion pills is just the beginning of the battle, when all in starts right now. good evening from new york, i am chris hayes. a lot has happened on capitol hill since the last time donald trump was there. there was the deadly insurrection he incited. there was the biden inauguration he skipped. there was the record-setting second impeachment he faced and there was a time in the immediate aftermath of all of that, late january, february, march, it seemed he may never be welcome back. but we know how that turned out. today the former president and his 34 felony convictions tracked to capitol hill at the invitation of house and senate republicans where he was received like a different dawn. a crime don. seeking not supporters but accomplices and co-conspirators. they are using us as a bad example of democracy and they are getting away with murder and we are not going to let it happen. you are all elected or you are going to be elected again and reelected. i m with everyone of you and i will be with you always. this is an outstanding group of people. i m with them 1000%. we agree just about everything and if there isn t we work it out. the term kiss the ring has been used so often with trumpet has virtually lost all meaning, but it really was on display in washington today. everything about this appearance was meant to convey the idea of republican party unity and they all performed it strenuously. that unity essentially remaking the party of lincoln into a mafia type operation with him at the top. a man convicted in a conspiracy to pay off former paramore is because he feared their stories would complicate his campaign. a man found liable for sexual assault of exactly the kind he brags about. a man who surrounds himself with lackeys who have been convicted or charged of serious crimes. steve bannon, michael flynn. trump has pardoned or commuted the sentences of many of those men. of course they never snitched. because trump envisions interactions with people in these sort of organized crime transaction terms. you do for me and if i am in a good mood and i am happy with your performance, you will get a cut. the republican party signed up to be part of this. that was on display today with discussions behind closed doors. as sources told reporter jake sherman, trump singled out house republicans who voted to impeach him saying that out of the 10 that impeached only one is left. sherman pointed out that was wrong, there are actually two left, but this was trump basically doing his impression of al capone in the untouchables, pointing out all the people in his gang that flipped on him. a sort of snitches get stitches, stay on my good side message to the foot soldiers. if you think that pressure does not work, look at the outgoing majority leader mitch mcconnell. remember what he said about trump in the aftermath of the insurrection? there is no question, none, the president trump is practically and morally responsible for promoting the events of the day. no question about it. this was an intensifying crescendo of conspiracy theories orchestrated by an outgoing president who seemed determined to either overturn the voters decision or else torch our institutions on the way out. and yet here was mcconnell today. the old man, supplicant, submissive, bending over to kiss the ring. getting a breezy endorsement of trump s capitol hill pilgrimage. reporter: senator how was it seeing the former president? we had a good meeting. we shook hands a few times. he took questions from the audience and it was an entirely positive session. great work, mitch. despite all that plenty of those lawmakers were feckless enough to drip out details of trump s backroom talk to sherman and other reporters because you can never underestimate just how cowardly they are. for instance when trump told republicans today that milwaukee, where we are having our convention, is a horrible city. another source told reporters trump was rambling to the crowd. said it was like, and i quote, talking to her drunk uncle at the family reunion. of course in public those sources will get in line and kiss the ring and give the don whatever he wants. maybe you think this is all being too literal. hyperbolic with the metaphors. crime bosses. surely he does not embrace actual criminal gangs and racketeering and violence as a campaign feature. but this is now part of his campaign. listen closely to this because i still can t get over this. it flew almost completely beneath the radar on the mainstream media. i will include us with this, with the exception of the associated press and a few others. but it was on display at his campaign rally last month in the bronx when he shared the stage with a few supportive guests. where is where is he? come on up, fellas. always going to whisper your accomplishments and shout your failures. trump will shout to the winds for all of us. make america great again. okay so trump is doing a rally in the bronx. to trump those rappers are powerful allies. they are also criminal defendants in a sweeping gang case where prosecutors say they gave material support to a gang during a violent street war with another gang. brooklyn district attorney gonzalez says gang members used more than 30 guns to threaten or eliminate their rivals. in total gonzalez says there was one murder, for attempted murders and 12 nonfatal shootings. what we allege and learned during the course of this investigation was that he used a lot of the money that he earned to help facilitate further gang activity. he encouraged gang members to participate in violent crimes. sheff g, who is the rapper on stage with donald trump that he invited up there. prosecutors allege that he threw a party to celebrate a drive-by shooting in october, 2020, in which one alleged gang member was killed and five others were injured. murder. again, alleged. innocent until proven guilty in our system, but did you hear all of that? imagine what the new york post would have done with this headline if those gentlemen had shown up at a rally for aoc or if president joe biden introduced to them introduced them on stage. but the fact of the matter is that conservatives have a criminal as their preferred nominee and he is embracing a criminal model for the enterprise that is now the republican party. michelle goldberg is an opinion columnist for the new york times. tara, let me start with that. those two individuals on that stage. again, i can t believe it happened and these are not, you know, there are all kinds of ways people have been accused of crime. the system can be unfair, but they are accused of being part of a gang that has killed and shocked and maimed people and they are on stage with donald trump and i don t think it is an accident because i think this is kind of the vibe of the campaign. yeah, i talked about this right after the rally, i think on this network, as a matter of fact. pointing out how despicable this was and how this is seemingly okay now in the law and order republican party. it is such an affront to so many things and it is an insult to the american people that we are supposed to sit here and think this is normal. donald trump is a convicted felon. republicans are welcoming him to capitol hill with a hero s welcome. back to the scene of the crime where mitch mcconnell calls him practically responsible for an insurrection. pal around with accused murderers. this is all normal. it s just fine. it s not. it s not. he gets very frustrating sometimes when there seems to be a moral equivalence made between trump and biden and the way the campaigns are covered. like donald trump did what he did today. he is having these rallies where he is going on random rants about sharks and boats and electrocution. he is palling around on stage with guys who are also alleged criminals. meanwhile president biden is overseas representing the united states with honor and dignity of the g-7 and just entered a security deal with ukraine trying to maintain democracy in europe. there is no moral equivalence. your point about how this slipped under the radar and seems par for the course for donald trump, unfortunately this is who he is. he thinks this is okay and by the way for any black folks who think donald trump is on your side, this is what he thinks of you. black people will like me because i hang around with criminals and they were flashy chains and gold sneakers. it is such an affront, honestly, but this is who donald trump is. michelle, one of the thing that happens and again i use the mafia metaphor, because the unity is so intense. of course behind-the-scenes you have like talking to your drunk uncle. he was rambling. everyone goes and tells reporters and there is this distance. the unbelievable applause and then everyone going to tell the reporter that he was really nuts behind closed doors. right, it kind of brings back memories of 2016 to 2020, where you constantly had republicans in these really degrading displays of fealty and then they would go and try to distance themselves from it when no one was looking. maybe because they think it is all a game and we see how far it goes over and over again. i think after the mafia element, it is not just these two rappers. the trim campaign is leaning hard into mafia metaphors. you have seen the godfather t- shirts and merchandise with godfather iconography. donald trump has compared himself favorably to al capone. recently breitbart ran an interview with peter navarro, former trump official and probably future trump official if trump is reelected. currently in prison in miami. he gave this jailhouse interview boasting about how he gets treated really well because the guards and the inmates love donald trump. sort of how a made demand would be treated if he goes to prison and is still able to slice the garlic really thin. i think what is important is it is not just hypocrisy. not just a defiance of law and order. it is a different model of governance that a lot of republicans have embraced. a hierarchy based on personal relationships that they see as an alternative to technocratic liberalism. yes, mafia state as an aspirational model. and then i never know what s worse, like the people who are pretending or the people who are true believers. i think i know which category marjorie taylor greene is, but let me just play her reaction to seeing donald trump today. i really found his speech to be one of my favorite speeches. he came in, talked to the conference. he was very honest. he was funny. he was joking around constantly with everyone. he was really sweet to me. he said to speaker johnson, okay, you ve got one more seat. you need to be tougher. i was sitting back a little ways. he saw me and he was like hello. he is always so sweet and recognizes me and said are you being nice? he was joking and said are you being nice to speaker johnson? he said okay, be nice to him and i nodded my head. the thing about this is, yes, there is always a duality here. he knows what he is doing and the transactional politics are real and they have all sort of bought into it. it is successful because they are willing to get on board for what it will mean for them. yes of course and to answer your question who is worse, the true believers or the enablers, it is the enablers 100%. the true believers, you can excuse it away that they are so far into it that it is not rational for them. the enablers are the ones who know better and are in a position to say no or to say stop, when no one else will. which is what conservatives were supposed to be doing according to bill buckley, the godfather of modern conservative history. they did not do that. they made a decision that this would be a transactional, politically expedient decision to suck up to donald trump who is a direct and immediate existential threat to our democracy. he wants a club talker see and they are okay with that as long as they get their piece of the pie, but no one is safe under donald trump. he will come for them, too. then we as a country and a democracy have to pay the price. that is why he has to be stopped. go ask mike pence who narrowly avoided correct. getting grabbed by a mob calling for him to be hanged. this is j.d. vance, speaking of people auditioning, to be the next person who may be facing that situation. no real republican with any credibility in the party is still blaming trump for january 6. i think it is a good thing. the republican party is in a good place. i think today was kind of like the button on the january 6 was bad era of the republican party. to whatever extent it was there, today was the definitive marking of the end. right and it has been coming for a while. this is obviously a candidate running extensively on january 6 rioters were heroes and warriors and i m going to pardon the mall. the party has embraced him and embraced that message. j.d. vance is right. there are not very many republicans, if any, who have credibility in their party who will say what mitch mcconnell said after january 6 and what i think most of them know in their hearts to be true. michelle goldberg, tara setmayer, thank you both. when you are the republican pic for president and you want to overturn your conviction for multiple felonies, who do you call? the plea he made to the speaker of the house, next. se, next. clean white socks? it can with tide. do i need to pretreat guacamole? not with tide. this is chocolate, right? just use. tide. yeah. no matter who s doing it, on what cycle, or in what temperature, tide works. so i can focus on all the 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the congress, nor should it be. also donald trump was convicted in the state of new york, not the federal system, but that s not stopping them. the morning after the verdict johnson was on trump news making an appeal to the conservatives on the supreme court. i do feel the supreme court should step in. this is unprecedented and dangerous to our system. i think the justices on the court, i know many of them personally. i think they are deeply concerned about that as we are, so i think they will set this straight. yesterday house republican leaders spent the day whipping a bill that would allow presidents charged at the state level to move cases to the federal court. she is a contributing writer at the atlantic where she wrote about trump s absolute disdain for democracy and joins me now. when i saw this i thought that is nutty and not the way any of this works, but that has not stopped things before. i thought that about the mifepristone suit and look how far that god. so it does seem like they are on board, the house republican caucus, on trying to come up with some way of bailing him out. the house republican caucus may be on board, but i don t think that means whatever they are planning will work. if this bill went through i think there would be serious challenges probably made on realism. congress can t just miss around with state courts however it likes and of course he has already been convicted. his options at this point are really appealing through the new york state court system and then the supreme court. there are a handful of legal arguments that he could make on the grounds of federal law, but that will take a very long time and it certainly won t be done before the election. the reporting around the sort of scotus hail mary and this is the daily beast saying that most request for emergency action go to the justice assigned to a particular circuit. in this case it is sotomayor, who has ruled against trump in a most every case before her. the rulebook says the petitioner may renew the application to any other justice of his or her choice and theoretically continue until the majority has denied the application, which means he could keep on the slot machine until the right justice pops up. i m with you again that that seems implausible even by the degree of standards of this supreme court, but that might be true now. all that stands between us and the unthinkable are are those people in power at the high levels going to do the right thing or do something transparently crazy? i do think this is a case for the courts. institutional equities are important to understand. it is also worth noting, the idea that he could ping-pong from justice to justice, that is not how the court tends to do things now. what they usually do is yes the emergency application will go to justice sotomayor and then instead of going to another justice it would go to the full court as a matter of practice and i think it is safe to say they would almost certainly turn it down. this is an extremely conservative court. it is a hard right court, but it is not really a maga court. there have been issues where trump s issues align with those of the conservative justices and uc benefits for him there, but it is really hard for me to see how he could even get to for justices who would be interested in taking on this case right off the bat. he really would be stretching. i totally agree and i think one of the things you see is mitch mcconnell had this sort of speech after january 6 that was basically like this is not the way you do this. basically he was saying you ve got to do the bush league or thing if you want to take an election away, not this january 6 nonsense. do it the bush versus gore way. that is a ludicrous argument and it has done what it needed to do almost certainly in terms of delaying. to call up mike johnson and yell at him to make a magical bill that i am no longer a convicted felon is not going to do the job. right and i think this 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food programme empower families across the globe. surprise, there are even more undisclosed private jet trips. tonight we are learning supreme court justice clarence thomas took at least three private jet trips paid for by his benefactor billionaire republican harlan crow, according to an ongoing investigation by democrats on the senate judiciary committee. propublica is reporting the newly revealed flights add to the picture of using the jets for personal travel. he owns a high-end jet that can cost over $10,000 per flight hour to charter according to charter company estimates and thomas has repeatedly flown to a destination and back again on the same day. in a statement thomas s lawyer said the trips fell under the personal hospitality exemption and was not required to be asked closed to be disclosed. the reporter who broke the story about many of the undisclosed gifts, he and his rest of his team won a pulitzer for the reporting last year and joins me now. congratulations, by the way. three more trips. what have we learned? the thing that is so striking is the scale of it. we are looking at a picture where harlan crow s private jet, a particularly nice private jet was at the disposal of justice thomas and there are multiple incidents where, for example, flying from washington, d.c. to san jose, california, staying for a few hours and turning around and going back on the same day. that s happened repeatedly. and going from where the jet is based in dallas to d.c. to pick up the justice. it adds to a long list and the picture is a billionaire political donor in a real way subsidizing the life of a justice. they don t make clear the purpose of the trips that included trip from st. louis to montana. location of glacier park international airport. he was scheduled to be in st. louis for a speech. in one instance he flew from the east coast to san jose and returned home later that day. another he took a round-trip flight from washington, d.c. to savannah, georgia. this is how taylor swift or elon musk, that is how they get around. right, the round-trip alone, seemingly for some kind of lunch, we don t know what it was for, still, that could easily cost $100,000 for the flight. probably double the median income that an american makes in a year. it is an extraordinary amount of money. a $100,000 flight. yeah and last week justin thomas amended some prior years disclosure forms to disclose other things harlan crow has paid for. hotels and lodging and vacations. a trip to california. that is the third time he s done that. to be clear, these three no one knew about and no one reported. these were totally new to us. you had no idea? i had no idea. this is it, right? this has to be it. i think we have an absolute, definitive account. look, some of the reporting we did took myself and coworkers months of reporting to piece together these trips that justice thomas and justice alito also got. we don t have subpoena power. the senate judiciary committee does. they said today there would be a full report coming out this summer, so i would not be surprised if there are more revelations. they subpoenaed leonard leo as well, who basically told them to go pound sand. pound sand, thank you for stopping me from saying what i was going to say. harlan crow, he is cooperating. they are getting this from harlan crow. right. they authorized a subpoena. didn t actually issue attended became leverage in negotiations with lawyers and they came up with this deal where he is giving information about the past seven years. potentially not just travel. we will find out when the full investigation comes out this summer. we have to update our bar chart. it is a tough one to read. let s see, which one is thomas? right, there he is on the left. we might need to raise up that bar after we price these ones in. maybe this summer we will get more. can i get your response since i have you here about something justice alito said about your reporting. this is something that he said recently. surreptitiously recorded. take a listen. there are groups that are very well-funded by ideological groups that have spearheaded these attacks. that s what it is, you know. like who? propublica. propublica gets a lot of money and they have spent a fortune investigating clarence thomas for example. have you spent a fortune or are these ideological attacks? it was frankly disturbing to hear this because it was speculation based on no evidence. as one of the two or three reporters who did this work i tell you how it started, which was not a report on justice thomas and alito. we will report on how supreme court justices are spending their time when they are not at the court. it started with a stack of documents of travel records with no names and we pieced together that it is justice thomas taking private jets. we took a hard look at democratic appointed justices and simply found nothing equivalent. if we could put up that bar chart for a second, it is hard 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comfortable. always. fear no gush. they say we should stop eating so much meat. so we made meat out of plants. because we aren t quitters. impossible. we re solving the meat problem with more meat. today the supreme court unanimously rejected an attempt to limit access to the abortion pill mifepristone and that, i should say, is definitely good. mifepristone is used in more than 60% of all abortions in this country, as well as the treatment of miscarriages. it should remain easily accessible, but this case should not have made its way to the supreme court in the first place. it is shocking that it did. the case is based on faulty legal logic and was first introduced by a conservative group in amarillo, texas. incorporated there so they could file the case and ensure it would land before a hard right activist appointed to the bench by donald trump. predictably the pan plan worked. issued a nationwide injunction. the decision was mostly upheld by the court of appeals. that court of appeals is arguably the most radically right wing pro trump court in the land. the supreme court threw it out today because plaintiffs lacked standing and the entire ruse was too ridiculous even for this court. make no mistake, republicans may have lost this battle, but they are still fighting the war. it is all but certain that they will bring a similar suit again and will absolutely do so given the opportunity. they don t want to stop there. today senate republicans blocked a bill enshrining protections for ivf only a day after the southern baptist convention, the largest protestant this domination days protestant denomination in the country voted to condemn the procedure. the republican party and grassroots of the party truly believe in this. they are not going to stop there crow seed against stop there crusade against reproductive rights. joining me now is nbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. i guess let s start with the decision today which was not surprising. they kicked it on what are called standing grounds. what does that mean? standing is the notion that you have to be a person who has been injured to maintain a lawsuit. it goes back to the concept that the courts can only hear cases or controversies, not imagined grievances. what the court is saying is that the alliance for defending freedom did not have standing to bring their suit and there are a couple of lines. in one place justice kavanaugh says an organization that has not suffered a concrete injury caused by a defendant s action cannot spend its way into s standing by spending money together information and advocate against the defendant, meaning the food and drug administration s action. that is the good part of this. but as you noted, there are little easter eggs sprinkled throughout this decision that are sort of gifts to the antiabortion right. in large part because of one side can t have standing, the other can t either. one of the things this says is that doctors should not presume that they will have standing to advocate for their patients. that usually means something very different for pro-abortion doctors than it does on the anti-choice side. that s a great point. i want to read the standing argument the plaintiffs presented, because it is one of my favorites. this is from the initial, i don t think of this is the scotus brief or district court. doctors lose the opportunity to provide professional services and care for the women and child through pregnancy which causes harms to providers who can no longer care for their patients and bring about the successful delivery of a new life. you deprive me of the joy of delivering your baby, which is a tangible harm to me, ergo i have standing. the standing analysis survived the district court and survived the fifth circuit court of appeals. it is kind of galling and there is a twist on that argument, too. you deprive me of the ability to care for more deserving patients, the women who want to deliver their children as opposed to women who present in the emergency room having had a complication. hypothetically, to be clear. that hypothetically might do so. when i am forced to divert my attention from deserving woman a, to take care of you, morally bankrupt woman b. you can do this through the courts or through the department of justice if you have the teeth to do it. here is justice samuel alito talking about, he does not say the name, interestingly. he just reads the u.s. section and the solicitor general of the united states does say the name. listen. shouldn t the fda at least have considered the application i think the comstock provisions don t fall within fda s lane. the comstock laws, those are passed in the victorian era to outlaw basically all tools for abortion and birth control. and really sending them between states. if you want to talk about zombie laws and we have talked about them a lot on your show and others. these are statutes prohibiting abortion or things that allow people to achieve abortion. it was a zombie law and it was understood for many decades that the comstock law had no effect. why? because row was in existence. the biden administration has made clear they don t believe the comstock act needs to be enforced unless the intent is to help somebody accomplish something that would be unlawful and given the mail order prescription of mifepristone is lawful, then the interpretation is there is nothing to be done. a different administration however, you can count on the same sorts of folks to press that heavily with the department of justice. and i want to be clear. there are criminal penalties attached to the comstock laws. the department of justice could conceivably on day one start having the fbi arrest people and prosecute people for mailing abortion drugs. they may not even have to go that far. i think the lesson is that you can terrorize people into not doing anything just by having a law and having the threat out there that somebody could be criminally prosecuted for doing something. the comstock act, this is not a hypothetical. there are lots of folks in right-wing circles writing about and talking about this. lisa rubin, thank you. thank you. that is all in on this thursday night. alex wagner starts now. good evening. there are women already terrified making choices about bodily economy. certainly. fear at all levels of american society. thank you, my friend. today donald trump made his first visit to capitol hill. the first time since his followers ransacked the capital on january 6. to unde
maybe they could do an exhibition where he does some backflip that the open. maybe nancy pelosi will do that tonight of the congressional baseball game. no that s when trump visits tomorrow. is there a lightning bolt that s going to hit the capital? trump is coming. they said populism was over, that it was over in europe. trump was over. how many times can they declare trump politically over or populism is over? they ve been wrong and wrong again. the tide is rising internationally and i think trump s return to washington, this will be quite a day. you all stay tuned for that tomorrow. speaker-01: raymond arroyo, great to have you. that s it for us tonight, follow me on social media, thank you for watching, jesse is next. welcome to jesse watters primetime . tonight,. jesse: [ inaudible ] jesse: we finally figured out what they are going to do with joe. four more years, pause. [ chanting ] jesse: arab spring break, not over yet. [ crowd noise ] shot fired. jesse: crime is down. [ laughter ] jesse: new hoax alert. plus. jake paul. [ ] jesse: politics is like a game of cards, you don t pick the cards, you play the hand you are dealt. after using up their dictator on day one card in the lock him up card, democrats are down with only two cards left to play. joe biden and come in layers. around the democrat poker table, the question is, what s the next play. the obvious answer was joe biden he won them the first poker game, why not go for a repeat? the question is, everybody sees the play coming and the biden card, no guarantee. he s lagging with debate prep, skipping out on g-7 dinners and now his conviction is hanging over his head. sources inside the white house tell the new york times biden has grown more resigned and worried than ever about what the future might hold for his son. the media is starting to question the play. the people close to him say that this is the thing that more than anything else he wakes up, you know, if he s briefed by aids on gaza, the next immediate thing, constantly in contact with his son, they speak at least once a day. so this is something that is going to add more weight to the presidents mindset. i think it s a very heavy burden and by staying in politics, by being as exposed as they are in some ways, it has put pressures on hunter biden and i think that weighs on the president. jesse: like any poker game it s all about the odds. a prediction model gives biden a one in three chance of winning and after biden s approval rating just hit an all-time low, even the democrat numbers guru nate silver is a joe needs to drop out. or else it s a longshot. most americans they get biden is reelected, he will die in office. now the question is, do you take the risk or do you make a swap? i think a lot of voters have trepidation about whether or not joe biden will make it through a second term and so they tune out these other things. is this because they have issues about his vice president? also issues about kamala harris coming into the office, absolutely. whether that s racism, whether it s because of her track record at not being great at public policy. at someone new in? a convention would require do you think you should? we should watch for the first debate. jesse: what good does a harris candidacy do? she s less popular than biden and no one thinks she can beat trump. but she s still here because no one has told her no or maybe she just won t listen to it. i eat no for breakfast. i don t hear no. and many times in your life, you are going to here no. someone is going to many even many people will say to you, it s not your time, nobody like you has done that before, they are not ready for you. and then i love this next one, that s going to be hard work. really? jesse: democrats have a better shot of winning the white house with the guy that s about to die than with kamala harris. as machiavelli says in the prince, to maintain power you have to be prepared to act immorally when it comes necessary. that s what the democrats are preparing to do. charles cook in the national review says biden s candidacy is nothing more than a decoy biden is operating as a stand-in, a widget or a macguffin whose primary purpose is to make it to november 5th of this year without expiring. the most powerful man in the world has been transmuted into little more than a game token in a game that narrows down to this , biden must win because donald trump must not. the only way biden wins is if he s not seen as too old are too incompetent or too misguided. that means he cannot be seen as who he is. the media has to lie to you about him. the job is simple, boomerang every trump attack on biden to better the odds. for all his calls for president biden to undergo some kind of cognitive test, it s clear to say mr trump s remarks are not at all coherent and these rallies. mr trump s remarks have never been super coherent in his rallies. this split screen has always been there, will always be there. they are different people. jesse: it s risky when your candidate looks like this. i need to see some black folk on the grass! [ ] come on! i need to see some black folk on the grass! [ ] [ ] banning books about black experiences. [ inaudible ] jesse: so plan b, change the subject. i think you have to stop making it about gold versus not old versus bit versus unfit and it s very simple, you keep putting on the graphic fit and you show biden at the state of the union. unfit, you show trump. fit, unfit, and each one of trump s is very funny and then you go it s all fun and games until it comes to nuclear weapons. we can t have unfit. jesse: this guy might be a little old but his hand on the button is okay. this guy s hand is not on the button and i would bring it back to end of world stuff. jesse: notice how the democrats don t have a winning message. it changes every day and that tells you they are in trouble. as soon as biden is reelected, cook says that is when you will see a shift. 23 seconds after he has won, this will change and when it does the reversal will be astonishing in both speed and scope. instantly all of biden s senile ticks will be visible to all. within seconds of his inauguration got the scene will begin to cast doubts on the ability of any octogenarian to do such a demanding job and when the last weight falls, it will become clear as day that joe biden wasn t a presidential candidate, but a lumbering decoy . the media will turn in the kingmakers will go to work. hunter gets pardoned, biden gets pushed out and the torch gets past took kamala harris in the first year. whose presidency will look like this. to aspire to create wealth is a good thing as far as i m concerned. if that is what one chooses. i on the other hand have chosen to live a life of public service. but i am all for you getting yours if that s what you want. we dry in. that s what those tours about jesse: every day for four years it will be a dei victory. the media will celebrate the first black the mill president and the deep state will run a lock because kamala harris is easier to control that joe, just like joe she will be a macguffin to washington s poker game and when 2028 rolls around, they can say thanks for playing, kamala. would like to introduce you to someone, maybe you ve heard of him, gavin newsom. former house speaker kevin mccarthy joins me now. do you see this? i see it. year one, joe is gone, kamala is in, that s the play, that s the decoy. you know why it s so true? they ve already played it once. it was a hunter biden laptop. the first thing they did, they had it since 2019, they go out and tell people it s not real and then they told immediate you can t print this or talk about it and then once the election is over, it s real. the wall street journal did a story recently, and i told them, i watched this behind the scenes working with this president, is all the moments he s not there. i never hid from the fact and they are acting like this is a big shock. but if you follow the democrats, remember axelrod who ran obama s campaign? he started a year and a half ago trying to get him not to run. then clinton s tried to get him not to run. now they finally decided we can t get him off the ticket. kamala can win. jesse: so they have to lie to all of us about how great he is, how sharp he is, how he can outhustled the whole country just to get him over the finish line and then the switcheroo. ogc, they literally have the top people in hollywood working on it. those sunglasses. the problem is, he has to walk to the podium. he walks to the podium and everyone walks around like what are you talking about? when he starts to talk, then you are in trouble. they tried to hide him the last time and this is the play they want to do. they have to get through this last bit. jesse: when we see him swallow words or say things completely incomprehensible at these public events, or not clap to the beat, when you were behind the scenes negotiating, what did you see? he would always go with the cards. what i learned early on, he has to read from them. once he starts reading, i was would interject and he would not know what to do. then he would close it and just stop. kamala would have to start talking. so it was a player used every time. there was one time we were sitting there and he s taking us on a tour and all of a sudden he goes, you want to go out to the pool? and then jill is on the other side of the table and she goes know, they don t want to go out. he goes you don t want to go out? then he opens the door, it s wintertime, and he walks is down to the swimming pool into the changing room. and then we walked back up and he s created this little room outside the oval office to be a little office for him. president trump had it as a gift shop but clinton used for something else. [ laughter ] but he s made it an office for himself like 10 feet away from the oval office. why? jesse: like a mini office. not the grand oval office, a little cubbyhole. between you and i. all it does is have a desk in their and then it has one of those ballets when i walked in. a blue dress shirt all wrinkled. why does the president take his shirt off and there? then we come walking back and i m thinking oh my gosh, please don t show this to any other world leader. i will tell you, democrats. jesse: kevin, i can t believe you showed you the pool in the middle of winter, but not just the pool, the dressing room when he got to the dressing room, what did he say? first he got to the door and it was locked. [ laughter ] secret service comes and opens it up. i m like what are we doing? jesse: do some laps. all right. you are doing laps around him. we just mentioned hunter. and someone just floated the idea of a pardon but not who you think it would be coming from. watch this. i d like to see president trump coming out with a statement saying if hunter biden commits to a program of sobriety and inpatient or maybe outpatient, shows up got keeps his sobriety, i will partner him. i love to see president trump say that. mack not on his part, it shows humanity and flip the tables on the democrats magna minutes. i like it for this, it means trump is president. it also shows the democrats are fearful of trump to become president because they are fearful he will do what they are doing to him. and you know it s interesting, they run on bidenomics which fails because inflation, because than they run a democracy. npr did a pool of independence and by a vote of 53-42, they think the biggest threat to democracy is him having another four years. so what i think from this is it s not bad. trump shows that the greatest retribution you can do to anybody is be successful. jesse: i think that s the move. revenge is success. you want to go see the pool? 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[ ] [ ] jesse: biden said his executive order which i don t the border but it s been a week and thousands of illegals are still pouring through. bill melugin has more. reporter: jesse, president biden s executive order is pretty much having zero impact whatsoever in the busy san diego sector where adult men from really all around the planet continue crossing illegally nonstop with most of them released into the u.s. fox news cameras have witnessed mass illegal crossings in california several days in a row with every day in the last week averaging over 1000 illegal immigrant apprehensions down in that sector. one border patrol agent is now voicing his frustration. doesn t frustrate you when you hear the narrative like why aren t border patrol doing anything? if i don t allow them to cross, they call and complain and i m in trouble and i lose my job. reporter: meanwhile at boston international airport, the baggage claim has been turned into a shelter for a legal immigrants with hundreds camping inside the sanctuary city s airport. at san antonio airport, a reporter posted this video showing americans having to wait in a long line at tsa while illegal aliens released from dhs custody with their notice to appear paperwork had their own much faster line. we reached out to tsa for comment and they said they are preparing a statement but as of this newscast, we have not heard back from them yet. meanwhile today fox news questions democrats about eight to g augusta national s with ices ties being arrested by ice and the fbi after they were caught and released at the southern border. to me, it s just a reminder that republicans need to stop opposing additional resources for more border patrol agents and other dhs personnel to help continue to enforce the law. they have the personnel and let them go. they need more. republicans need to stop getting in the way. reporter: and just a little reminder for your viewers, democrats held the white house, the senate for the first two years did not the about the border. jesse: thank you bill. trump has been clear when he gets into office he s going to get revenge but what does that look like? my revenge will be success. and i mean that. but it s awfully hard when you see what they ve done, these people are so evil and at the same time the country can t come together. can come together. jesse: revenge through success. everybody wins, even trump s enemies. jesus told his disciples that i say unto you, love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you and prey for them which despitefully use you and persecute you. what would jesus do? revenge through success. some people heard the word revenge and thought trump is going to put me in gitmo. maddow, wallace, will be goldberg and aoc worried about been thrown in solitary. stelter says that s just the beginning. jail of course is an extreme part of the spectrum. imprisonment is a sub extreme part but think about irs audits, government pressure, other forms of government interference. there are a lot of pressure points and rachel maddow is not the only one thinking about this. i ve talked to the heads of news organizations, they are thinking through not in dramatic fashion, because they are afraid of going to jail but because they want to know what could trump do to use his power in a second term to punish the media. jesse: trump doesn t want to put the press in prison, he loves them. he loves them so much that he talks to them even when he should not. and the press should love him back. he made them rich and famous. during his presidency, cnn and msnbc ratings were double what they are now. deep stators got huge tv contracts. million-dollar book deals being handed out like halloween candy. today biden runs away from the press. there s mass layoffs, no book deals and cnn is losing to reruns of martin. he s coming, he s coming! [ laughter ] jesse: the media is catching a case of arrest and be. they saw what happened to trump when he got arrested, legendary mug shot, 24/7 coverage, millions of dollars in donations and they want a taste of martyrdom. they are baking trump to arrest them for attention. it s the only way anybody will know they are still famous. they want their own trials like trump. gag orders, de niro showing up. but none of that is going to happen. of trunk trump locks up all the reporters, will he joust with? but there s a different revenge path trump could take. legal scholar says there s only one way to stop the political prosecutions, prosecute democrats. only retaliation in kind can produce the deterrence necessary to enforce a political version of mutual assured destruction. without the threat of prosecution of their own leaders, democrats will continue to charge future republican presidents without restraint. john is a former deputy assistant attorney general. john, what would that look like, prosecuting democrats, be specific. thank you for having me on. i have to say, that was a great article you were just reading from. jesse: thank you. what a wonderful scholar. [ laughter ] this is what it would look like. you would have to have republican das indict hunter biden or indict joe biden just in the way that blue state das have been indicting president trump. and would it be for it would be for things like corruption, fraud, bribery, because that s the only way i think you can get democrats to stop abusing the legal system, to stop breaking the norms that they have. i was listening to your introduction to the segment and look, the democrats are so scared because they have broken all of these rules. they have crossed the rubicon and now they are worried because once they ve destroyed these norms in the way they ve gone after trump, they realize republicans can turn around and do the exact same thing to them. jesse: we heard a guy at the top, a consultant to trump in 2020, say that trump should promise to pardon hunter back preemptively back as a kind of way to rise above things and flip the script on democrats. you are saying trump wins, local das go after joe and hunter and go further than that. what other avenues or areas do you think republican das or prosecutors could legitimately do in order to get accountability? well one thing they can look at his influence peddling beyond just the biden family. are there other democratic politicians who engage in the same kind of conduct? they get their brothers hired, their sisters hired, their kids hired by foreign governments, foreign corporations or even u.s. corporations. and then try to help those companies out. look, the justice department actually goes after a lot of american companies when they due exactly the same thing abroad. if you were in exon and you hired say the sun of the head of saudi arabia, he would be prosecuted like that. so why can t republican das do the same here in the united states? and look, i don t want this norm to have been broken. i wish we were not using the criminal justice system to interfere in politics, but how else could you deter democratic das from doing the same thing? if you don t, they will just keep doing it and doing it worse and worse. jesse: insider-trading could probably be an area where prosecutors would have a field day. just look at nancy pelosi, look at some of these members of congress. could the sec get involved there? it could be the sec but it could just be, and this is the thing that the democrats really started, it wasn t just the justice department, it was leading any sitting county da go after trump. there are 2500 elected das in the country and so to really establish, and this is all to rebuild the norm, to get people to stop doing this, then you would allow republican das and in say texas or florida to ask why does a democratic senator or democratic congressman go into office and then 20 years later they seem to have millions of dollars and multiple mentions like bernie sanders? jesse: so don t do what jesus would do. don t love my enemy. [ laughter ] play the long game. jesus wasn t running for president. [ laughter ] jesse: john yoo, thank you so much. new hoax alert, right back. 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[ ] arab spring break might be over by the occupiers are still at it. over 100 hamas lovers marched into ucla holding fake dead bodies in looking to set up a new campus caliphate. but this time the cops weren t having it and started arresting the ecology hotties before they could pitch their tents. watch. [ crowd noise ] [ bleep ] [ chanting ] no racist police! [ bleep ] jesse: if they can occupy campus, they occupy a subway. a horde went underground, they love tunnels, fighting with cops, vandalized trains and demanding any jews identify themselves. [ bleep ] [ crowd noise ] [ chanting ] shut it down! raise your hand if you are a zionist. this is your chance to get out. jesse: a mostly peaceful commute, unless you happen to be jewish. crime so out of control looters are back and there s not even a reason to riot. [ crowd noise ] jesse: the whole mop recorded the rampage. one arrest. in seattle where they told johnny there s no crime, there s gang shootouts in residential neighborhoods. [ gunshots ] jesse: in new york, maniacs with knives are lunging at cops. let go of the knife! give me another taser. all right, all right. jesse: and in san francisco it was just another day that ended in the letter y. [ engine roars ] jesse: a sideshow with fires, burnouts and roman candles, those are fun. blatant and outrageous crimes occurring on a daily basis coast-to-coast but biden is running for reelection so the fbi is telling you crime is down. attorney and retired nypd inspector paul moreau. the fbi comes out and says crime is way down. is that true? no. let s just break it out in a simple way from the get-go. forty% of the nations police departments don t report to the fbi with their crime numbers. what a coincidence. let s do the roll call. new york, la, chicago, baltimore, washington, dc which is federal themselves. consequently, what do they have in common? big blue cities with high crime rates and those numbers are not going into the crime reports. furthermore, the fbi has a habit of trying to extrapolate those numbers. nothing is more dull than statistics but it s interesting what they do. for instance, this quarter when joe biden is claiming violent crime is down, he s focusing on murders, murders are down the nypd and the fbi murder number for this year are different by 44%. jesse: wait a second. and it looks like the new york city number is a little higher than the fbi is telling. and by the way, they use the same definition so it s not like the devil is in the details, the same order definition, they are off by 44%. you can t trust these numbers and just consider this, the videos you just showed, most of what you just showed would not be captured in any crime numbers. jesse: why not? that was a knife attack on a police officer, we saw i believe a shoot out in a residential neighborhood. that is legitimately classified as a shooting. they probably got that for in new york for instance you have to hit someone for that to be a shooting incident. jesse: i can empty my clip but if i miss, they don t count that? that s right. [ laughter ] and look, the bottom line is, quality of life is not captured in any of the fbi numbers and if you live in the blue city, walk outside and use your eyes. and by the way, what with the arrests be for those people who were yelling about jews on the train? where the hate crimes? where are the fbi hate crimes task force and all these other none of that gets captured. jesse: zero he crimes on that subway. just a handful of arrests. it looked like a music video in san francisco with the fires and the skits. and joe biden is talking about how he s supporting law enforcement, all-pro law enforcement. the day he came to town, he went to radio city, he had five hours before that event, he did not pick up the phone and call the family. donald trump went to that wake. if you don t think america s law enforcement sees that and will vote commensurately, you are not paying attention. jesse: thank you paul. jake ball joints primetime , next. 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[ ] jesse: young voters used to be la up for democrats on election day but now they are heckling joe biden, voting trump or straight up disappeared. why is that? war, high prices, biden is 140. so the democrats came up with a new plan to win back young voters, free beer and birth control. the washington post writes, a group of democratic donors think they may have found a cure for what ails you. they want to make politics looked different, like a dance party or comedy show or just a place to chill out. sometimes there will be free beer, manicures, boot shines, rent check sweepstakes, a handout of contraceptive pills or cooling towels, whatever those are. and if the booze, birth-control and boot shines don t work, maybe hollywood marketing well. won t pack down, get it? hired millenial and gen z directors back writers and producers to help craft pro biden content that is specifically engineered does sell an octogenarian candidate to typically disillusioned and hard-to-reach voters under 30. biden paid off their school loans and they still hate him? what a waste of money. professional boxer jake paul joins me now. so jake if the democrats gave you free beer, would you vote biden? man, it will take more than that, but it does not have to do to me it does not have to do with democrat or republican, it s about which president is going to fight for us and who is going to represent us the best way possible. and that s really what the young people in america want. we won t solutions, we don t want all of this marketing, we don t want all of the the yes. this is the smartest generation. we ve had the most access to information and knowledge out of any other generation, so you can t fool us. we just want the truth and we want authenticity. jesse: what are the solutions you want for, what s the problem? man, there s a lot to name. jesse: we only have a couple minutes. that s not necessarily my area of expertise, but i know people are struggling with jobs, mortgages, too much for people to afford. inflation, prices are going up and is minimum wage rising? people are having trouble paying off and going to school, and then they are feeling like i have this college degree but what has this gotten me? i believe there s a massive problem with our food. the stuff they are putting into our bodies and allowing a grocery stores is causing massive health problems. i think there needs to be a massive conversation with a national institution of health. that s why i created it gotta try this stuff, it smells delicious, but i wanted to make it, a product that took out all the weird stuff for young men and boys across the world because it matters what we are putting in an on our bodies and so definitely there s a lot of things. jesse: wait, jake, was that just body spray? yes. this is w body spray deodorant and body wash. i ve been working on this for two years and it s available in walmart nationwide right now. jesse: you gotta send over the skincare line to primetime . we will sample it and give it a review. your brother was just with trump let s watch the clip. explain what was going on here. jesse: what was that? yeah, no, i thick my brother is having trump on his podcast and i think that s what s important to young voters, is the president showing up, speaking their mind, saying how they are going to help. my brother has invited biden onto his podcast, the last i ve heard, and let s see what happens. i ve invited biden to my fight. i want both donald trump junior and biden to come to my fight but who knows which president is actually going to show up, talk to the people, it into the weeds and meet the young voters where they are at, give them that representation and give them that voice and somebody who will fight for us. jesse: so what s the deal with the fight? i heard mike had heart problems and it was postponed. what s next? he had stomach issues. but the fight is rescheduled to november 15th. same everything, dallas, texas, at&t stadium, still historic night live on netflix. mike says he will still knock me out and i just bought a little bit of extra time. jesse: well send that body spray this way. i have to sit next to dana perino and i have to be smelling good, if you know what i mean. jake paul, everybody check him out, and the skincare line w. no relation. [ ] jesse: time for waters mack cooler. let s bring in cat and friends watters cooler legendary hot dog eating champ was banned from this year s nathan sauder david and contest after he signed a deal with a vegan wiener brand. is that fare? you sign a deal was someone, we have that here at fox. we can t just go on cnn. coral, he s freelance so he did not sign anything, he s just a guest. jesse: so carl can go on cnn. if he wanted to. but if i were joey chestnut, i would be petty. i would compete along anyway. i bring my own hotdogs and i would sit there at coney island and fill myself film myself doing it and beat everyone anyway. jesse: ute the impossible dogs. that might give them a tactical advantage. go in the crowd into it anyway. win from afar. don t get mad, get petty. jesse: wise words. next up, a mom says she charges other parents who bring their kids over for a play date. are you ready? this mom charges three dollars for a bag of goldfish, two dollars for yogurt, one dollar for three squirts of soap. one dollar. four dollars for two juice boxes, four dollars for markers, five dollars for electricity, four dollars for meat sticks, three dollars for an ice cream bar and a ten-dollar cleaning fee. she s billing the other parents for the play date at her house. i don t think this is real but for the sake of television i will pretend that i do. jesse: i ve never done that before. not without the disclaimer. i think she s a troll and it s a good thing. that makes me want to have kids so that i can have my kids friends over and then send the bill. send it over and see how they handle it. i think it would be a really good test. if somebody said what is this, what are you doing? that s how you know you have a real friend. if someone says no problem, you know that person is talking about you behind your back. jesse: you have strong moral character. i do they when a lot of people don t realize but you do. next up, kit cats with catch up is all everybody is talking about. sounds disgusting. probably is but we have to try it. you squirt yourself. are you going to eat it? your not any need it. he just put a little squirt on their. right on there it. i never have agreed to do this. jesse: i m gonna go. let s go. cheers. it s not good. jesse: not good. that s so bad. i don t like this at all. so bad. jesse: do something with it. throw it at johnny. i don t like it. jesse: well, tell me about your dog. my dog is named karl. he has and instagram and he s greg s dogs uncle. i got the stock first. jesse: so greg stole your idea? they are biologically related got is the nephew of my dog carl jesse: a family tree. of dogs. jesse: a beautiful dog. i kind of like yours better than cost. shots fired. thank you for entering the ketchup and kit kat. the spartan race, that s next. [ ] when you re in the military you re really close with your brothers and your sisters that are in the military with you. and when you get out of the military, you kind of lose that until you find a new family. we can talk about our struggles and the things that we did overseas and not everybody can do that. adam! how s it going, brother? we live pretty close to each other. so he s always coming over. when i go to jack s house, we watch a lot of football, hang out. we go outside the friendship has kind of grown into a family i was overseas on a deployment. i got separated from my marines and i got hit in the neck, and it broke my neck and paralyzed me. 14 years ago, i was on a training mission. going, 30 to 40 knots and was instantly paralyzed. i met jack fanning and ski with my fa when he invited us to park city, utah, through his foundation. mily, i can t put into words what that meant. i got paid in the military to do crazy fun stuff. and after my accident, i m still that same guy. and when i was able to jump out of a perfectly good, helicopter, at 10,000 feet, i did it. i was talking to some vets last week amazing how we have these houses where they can come over because they■re in chairs too. carpet and wheelchairs don t mix very well. tunnel to towers, they got rid of all that. they redid my whole bathroom. that s probably the favorite part of my house. i thought they were just going to do the upgrades. but the surprise to me was they paid off the entire mortgage. when they told me they re going to pay off my mortgage, i cried. please contribute $11 a month by visiting t2t.org now choose advil liqui-gels and longer-lasting relief than tylenol rapid release gels because advil targets pain at the source of inflammation. so for faster pain relief, advil the pain away. jesse: the spartan race you have to see this you know what it is 5 k through mud that s a killer. under barbed wire you have to crawl. monkey bars you have to swing. rope climb there s gerrit a 75-pound barrel there. wall climb it s like an hour or 2 hours and all day event. we ll let part 2 tomorrow with video a bunch of fox people involved with the primetime tear crew was there they wanted me to do it i pretended like i didn t hear them lets do some text messages. how we from new jersey says give biden a break maybe he watches waters window and uses his will for daily ice plunges. gary from tallahassee the last time biden brought someone to a pool he wrapped a chain over there and neck mccarthy is lucky he s breathing. alan from grove city pennsylvania trump pardoning hunter blessing those who kirsten a start of healing and uniting that america needs. is that possible? donnie from eugene, oregon. it you think they would pardon eric or donald trump junior? that s a no. stewart from colorado, jesse please don t laugh at jesus he s the only 1 new has it together. i didn t laugh at jesus i laughed with jesus. and andy from albuquerque new mexico. waters what s with you read hoping for a sob gate there soft daisies sound like opera man up. jesse: it s for sporting claves get it. sean: kamal khera seats know for breakfast. what you eat for breakfast? sean is next remember that i am waters and this is my world. sean: welcome to hannity. tonight and biden s attorney general merrick garland has rightfully been held in contempt of congress will you be held accountabl
seats of government, the seats of power, and embarks on a campaign, a political intimidation, in order to secure outcomes that personally benefit him. and that at the core is part of the sticks of our democracy that are before us today. because once rule of law goes out the window, it is not something that is easy to get back and it is very much a part of the decision that we have to make before us in the next few months. congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, congressman jamie raskin, thank you for your time tonight. i really appreciate it. that is all in on this tuesday night. alex wagner tonight starts now. we have new exclusive audio from the supreme court historical society that lauren winsor has given us and we will be playing that in the hour, so stay tuned. i will pick like i said, exclusive never before heard audio recordings of justice samuel alito speaking to an undercover progressive activist. that is what we have tonight. that is in addition to the bombshell recordings that were released yesterday and we will definitely want to hear these recordings when we play them. if you have been wondering how those secret tapes were made in the very first place, how activists and judges on the highest court in this land, how they came to mingle behind closed doors? the answer to that begins almost 10 years ago to this day when the supreme court handed down a major decision. reporter: supporters of the hobby lobby cheered today s victory. the oklahoma family that owns the chain of 500 craft stores claims that providing insurance coverage for some forms of contraceptives under obamacare would be the equivalent of paying for abortion. the court called the rolling startling and said it will allow companies to opt out of any law they judge incompatible with their sincerely held religious beliefs. the hobby lobby decision. the majority opinion was written by justice samuel alito and it was one of the first signs that conservatives on this court were willing to go after reproductive freedoms no matter the consequence. in the wake of the dobbs decision 10 years later, hobby lobby seemed sort of like the canary in the coal mine in more ways than one. in november 2022, the new york times offered key reporting about how the hobby lobby decision came to be. for years before the court heard the case, conservative christians have been engaged in a campaign called operation higher court. that operation was to personally court and influence the supreme court s conservative justices. that effort was spearheaded by a man named reverend robert shank who would recruit christian couples who he called stuff missionaries to gain access to the judges and to impress upon them the importance of conservative christian values. here is how the new york times described one of their strategies. reverend gave his stuff missionaries close instruction, the justices were more likely to let their guard down at the supreme court historical society annual dinners because they assumed attendees had been properly vetted. ca justice, boldly approach, schenck told the couples according to a briefing document reviewed by the times. if given the opportunity, bear witness to biblical truth, but don t push it, he said. your presence alone at the historical society events telegraphs a very important signal to the justices. christians are concerned about the court and the issues that come before it. that strategy appears to have paid off. according to the times reporting, some of schenck s stuff missionaries were able to build enough of a relationship with justice alito and his wife, martha and, that they obtained advanced notice of the court s hobby lobby decision before it came out. that breach of that unprecedented breach foreshadowed the leaked dobbs decision striking down go versus wade two years later. that specific strategy of using the supreme court s annual historical society dinners as a way to gain access to supreme court justices, it turns out that too is relevant again, just this week. they historical society dinner is a yearly event where wealthy donors give money to a nonprofit dedicated to preserving the court s history. in exchange for their money, those donors get to rub shoulders with some of the justices and their spouses. as it turns out, conservatives weren t the only ones in on this arrangement. last week, progressive activist lauren winsor who happens to be a member of the historical society, bought a ticket for the event. she got in, she pretended to be a conservative donor attending the event with her husband. ms. lender then approach some of the conservative justices and secretly recorded her conversations with them. and busyness has not heard the full tape of what is recorded so we cannot say for certain where edits were made if any were actually made. tonight we have some brand-new, never before heard audio from that event to play for you and when you hear these new tapes, he will hear something familiar to what was on the tapes released yesterday. a justice in this case, justice alito, who is aggrieved and frustrated, who is nakedly partisan and totally unconcerned by appearing to be all of those things in front of a total stranger. remember what we heard yesterday. as someone who really cherishes my face, i just don t know that we can negotiate the way that needs to happen for the polarization to end. i think it is a matter of, like, winning. i think you are probably right. on one side or the other, one side or the other is going to win. i don t know. i mean, there can be a way of working, a way of living together peacefully. but it is difficult, you know, because there are differences on fundamental things that really can t be compromised. they really can t be compromised. so it is not like you are going to split the difference. and that is what i m saying. i think that the solution really is, like, winning the moral argument. like, people in this country who believe in god have got to keep fighting for that, to return our country to a place of godliness. i agree with you. i agree with you. member, at this closed-door cocktail party, winsor was also able to get justice alito s wife, martha and, to explain her deeply personal motivation for flaying two insurrectionist flags in front of their homes. that is a story that has just scandalized this court and is reporting this week would seem to suggest that mrs. alito has no shame about what she has been doing , in fact, quite the opposite. after deriding who have been critical of the scandal, she made clear that these flags she flies are explicitly her form of resistance and response. i know what i want, i want a sacred heart of jesus flag because i had to look across the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. and he is like, please don t put up a flag. i said i want to do it because i am deferring to you but when you are free of this nonsense, i am putting it up and i am going to send you a message every day, maybe every week i will be changing the flags, i made a flag in my head, this is how i satisfy myself, i made a flag, it is white and yellow and orange flames around it. in the middle is this word. in italian, it means shame. just to be clear here, justice alito has publicly stated his wife did not fly these flags to associate herself with the stop the steal movement or any other group. but it seems quite clear from the clip that his wife very much sees these flags as a form of political expression and a response to what she believes are liberal attacks. perhaps most concerning in these recordings, though, is martha-ann alito s five-year plan for revenge . it is okay because if they come back to me, i will get them. i m going to be liberated, and i m going to get them. there is a five-year defamation statute of limitations. i don t know what you mean by they. the media. okay, so martha-ann alito, the wife of a supreme court justice, that she has a plan to get back at the media by suing for defamation. and she thinks she will have the opportunity to do that in the next five years, when she is free of all this nonsense. is samuel alito s wife telling us something here about justice alito s retirement plans? and how concerned should we all be that a supreme court justices spouse is talking about the american media with open contempt? tonight we have grand brand- new audio from that same event where justice alito himself tells us what he thinks about the press. the other voice you will hear on this tape is an associate of lauren winsor s who was also at this event. i just wanted to ask you, why do you think the supreme court is so is being so attacked and being so targeted by the media these days? well, i think it is a simple reason. they don t like our decisions and they don t like how they anticipate we may decide some cases that are coming up. that s the beginning and the end of it. and there are there are groups that are very well-funded by ideological groups that have spearheaded these attacks. that s what it is. like who? propublica. propublica gets a lot of, you know, gets a lot of money, and they have spent a fortune investigating clarence thomas, for example. everything he s ever done in his entire life, and they ve done some of that to me too. but, you know, they look for any little thing they can find, and they try to make something out of it. and be seen is reached out for comment from both samuel alito and his wife, martha-ann alito, but we have not heard back. joining me now is lauren winsor, progressive activist and the executive producer of the undercurrent. thank you for being here, i know you have had a busy week so far. we are so appreciative of all that you have set this far and all you have to share with us tonight. first, start with a new sound that your organization or your colleague has given us. there are two parts of this new tape that strikes me as concerning. the first is justice samuel alito saying that the media is attacking him because the media doesn t like how they anticipate the court has decided cases and may decide upcoming cases. was that a window into what may be coming down the pipe in the next two weeks? how did you interpret that? i mean, i definitely interpreted it as being a harbinger for bad things to come. did you get the sense when he was talking about the media and specifically citing propublica, for example, and their expensive investigators reporting about clarence thomas, that these stories are very much being shared behind closed doors at the supreme court? his media awareness seemed to be relatively high. it is very high, and he already had a sense of grievance when i first spoke with him in 2023, but it was much more pronounced this year i think in the two conversations that both allie and i had with him. can we talk about the context here? the fact is, you and your colleague both had conversations with the alitos. for those who have not been to historical society of us, is this what happens at them? we know two bombshell series of reports about conversation, advocacy campaigns that are happening between attendees and the justices on the supreme court. it is interesting, i had actually read that initial report in the new york times about reverend schenck and that is part of what played into my going in the first place but i did not read that report and think i should become a member now. it really was incited by the propublica reporting on clarence thomas and it is interesting that justice alito wants to rail about the money taken by propublica for investigating public servants while clarence thomas is not disclosing millions of dollars of gifts from gop donors and i have no idea what propublica s finances are but as someone who is an independent journalist, i would imagine that the money that clarence thomas is taking probably read the budget of propublica in any given year. is such a good point, what did you hear in justice alito s explanation for that? did you hear it almost seems as if there is certainly no contrition, but there is not even an acknowledgment that there was any wrongdoing on the part of clarence thomas in accepting potentially millions of dollars in unspecified gifts from conservative donors? it is not verbatim, but it is almost for meeting verbatim, making something out of any little thing. i don t consider any little thing to be buying my mother s house or paying for my nephew s tuition or getting a free rv loan. and these are all things he has accepted from gop donors. so, it would be a much different story if this were just about vacations he was taking with his wife and the family, most people would write it off as, it was a trip. most people would not consider traveling with friends or associates as being something that is that big of a deal, that is not actually what we are talking about with clarence thomas, is it? no, it is another order of magnitude, it would seem. and it has been going on for years. i guess some part of me is surprised that you, not knowing the alito s, you re just a random member of the historical society, is able to even get within shoulder rubbing distance of a justice and then draw him into conversation about some of the most incendiary topics in this country, which is a partisan divide. how did it actually unfold when you were in the room with the justice? it should be stated that in the guidance for the events, the historical society says, if you broach topics that are before the court, it may be grounds for you to be kicked out and so there is definitely a deliberative process in, how do i approach someone that, you know, not only are judges supposed to be really the height of discretion, the height of, you know, judgment, right? this is the highest court in the land, this is the supreme court justice, so i definitely went into this assuming that i was not going to get anything newsworthy. in 2023, i did not get anything newsworthy. but, i thought, you know, throughout the year that transpired, the media s scrutiny on justice alito has intensified so much and his grievance level is probably so much more peaked, that unlike clarence thomas who did not show up to this dinner but has been reported to have shown up to it many times, and he did not show up in 2023, by the way, that justice alito would probably attend anyway, even though he was undergoing this very intense media glare and sure enough, he was there and i think, you know, it was just something that i can t say what was in his mind so i don t know if in 2023, he had the same level of grievance and, you know, it changed over the course of the year? there are a couple options there. did it change or was it always there and he just felt more comfortable? was it hard to get him to talk? at the very end of this conversation, he says, are you a lawyer? i think he is talking to your colleague, i am not sure if it is you or her but it wasn t like you had offered any biographical information other than you had a husband who is not in the room. and i wonder why you operate that piece of information? how did you actually get into conversation with him? did you go up to him and start talking to him? the reason why i brought up my husband was that in 2023, i came with a male friend. the context of it was, we had a conversation after dinner, in 2023, my male friend was with me , he was not with me in 2024, so when i saw justice alito solo, it was one-on-one. it was, hi, there, my husband really wants to let you know that we are rooting for you, that you really have all the grit. the reason why i said you have all the grit, if it does not stick out to people, this is because donald trump had treated something out about how , you know, there should be more justices like samuel alito , with the grit that samuel alito has, so i felt like it was kind of a flag, if you will , to justice alito, that it was a safe space for him? a safe space, yes. i was trying to signal to him very coyly without saying trump because it goes back to the way the conversation to bridge a conversation with someone who has the highest level of discretion come you can t talk about partisan politics, if i had locked up in answer to talking about joe biden or donald trump, he would have shut down. so talking about polarization was really a way into the conversation that wasn t as aggressive but also indicative of what i was really trying to get out, was, is he acting on bias? and i really do believe that the american people deserve to know, is the supreme court so compromise that we do not really have impartiality, the bedrock of our judicial system? i think hearing it from his mouth, that he cannot be impartial, there are things that cannot be compromised, that needs to be fuel for journalists and for congress to say, tell us, what are the things that can t be compromised? lauren, look. you brought us into a room that few people are ever in and i think these tapes are revelatory and they are 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today s conviction was awkward, right? it is awkward for the talking point that it was all right, that biden justice department was weapon eyes only against republicans. but we live in a world in which the reality and the fact have a hard time catching up, you can see how deeply invested republicans are in there talking point about the biden crime family pick so it is not a shock that they are going to continue to repeat those talking points over and over and over again. but, i do think the contrast and the reaction to the conviction of donald trump in the conviction of hunter biden has been very, very telling here. again, it is always difficult to know how it is going to play out. we may see this at the debate. and other biden folks think this is going to come up at the debate and you know donald trump is going to try to make an issue of the fact that the president s son is a convicted felon which will be offered, being a convicted felon himself . but democrats have been making this point and let me even make the point that there are a number of democrats who are facing indictments under the biden justice department, not just the president s own son, but a democratic senator, senator menendez, henry cuellar, down in texas, these are all democrats. if the system is so rigged, how do they explain that? the answer is, they don t feel the need to explain that at all. they are just going to go with a spin. i just wonder who the spin is for, right? you talk about the reaction, this was a statement from the president of the united states after his son is convicted of felonies. as i said last week, i am the president but i am also a dad, jill and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today. so many families who have had loveland battle addiction understand the feeling of pride seeing someone you love, out the other side and be so strong and resilient in recovery. as i also said last week, looks at the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal. jill and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that. it is a very strong statement, it is a tough statement for a father to make, and i think [ inaudible ] whatever the republican argument here is about biden rigging the system, among the [ inaudible ] i don t think there is any reason to doubt his word at this point. and again, this creates a really significant difference between the tantrum donald trump and his supporters have thrown and the acceptance of the rule of law and the decision of a jury that was represented with all of this evidence. the point you re making is, who is this for right now? almost everything republicans say is for the audience of one, it is for donald trump. this is what the base wants to hear about that is not the group of voters who will be deciding the selection. not to ask too poetic about it but i think embedded in biden s statement is a call to empathy, right? for those who have fallen, for people who have addiction and are trying to make it through a dark period, versus trump, who is all grievance all the time, and i think we think a lot we don t know a lot about where this country is headed, but really, appealing to people s since of forgiveness and empathy does not seem like a political strategy that has an expiration date. am i being too soft here? no, again, it is a very interesting contrast. if donald trump s superpower is his shamelessness, his refusal to ever take responsibility or apologize, joe biden s superpower is his empathy. and again, republicans aren t going to give him any credit for it but i do think there are a lot of americans who are going to say, this is a tragic situation, there are questions about hunter biden s judgment and his behavior, but also what you are seeing from joe biden is, this is what a father, a father who has lost his other son, how they would react to something like that. and i think there will be a sliver of the electorate, a crucial sliver, that is going to look at that and say we understand that seems human to us. that seems like something that we can identify with and admire as opposed to the constant conspiracy theories and the victim cardplaying and really, the vicious attacks on the criminal justice system and the jury system coming from donald trump. it is a real choice i had. this is going to be very, very indicative of who we are as a country. thank you again for your time, it is great see you. thank you. still to come this evening, we have new reporting about what appears to be a coordinated effort to broadcast disinformation about this fall s election on your local newscast. when it comes to donald trump a criminal conviction, republicans need a reality check. we have one, that is next. nex. with all the money i saved i thought i d buy stilts. being so tall definitely has its advantages. oh whoa. here you go, kiddo. thanks. hi honey ready to go? 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(vo) when life s doors open, we ll handle the house. i just went through a rigged trial in new york. it is a rigged system, a terrible system, actually, but it is a rigged system. the whole system is rigged. this was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupt. rigged, rigged, rigged, rigged. that has been donald trump by the refrain during his criminal trial in new york, the entire system is rigged against him. and yet, the system really seems to be bending in his favor lately as we saw yesterday at his probation interview. trump s interview lasted less than half an hour and trump was allowed to attend the meeting over zoom from his mar-a-lago beach club in florida. with his lawyer, seated by his side. just for perspective here, according to a statement released by multiple public defender groups in new york city, public defenders are deprived of joining their clients for these meetings, the option of joining these interviews virtually by zuma is typically not extended to the people we represent either. joining me now is duncan levin who was a federal prosecutor and served as a senior staffer in the manhattan va s office, he is now a criminal defense attorney. thank you for joining me to make sense of this madness her. first of all, the circumstances of this probation, they sound relatively easy, maybe even cushy but donald trump says that everything is rigged against him. who is right? this is something that is a routine and it typically takes hours. to the extent that there have been things that have been different for him, they have only been different in his favor. most defendants have to come there in person, it is a drab office, these things take hours, there are reports his probation interview took half an hour. this is an opportunity for probation to actually ask the types of questions that a judge might want to know on sentencing that don t come out in the trial. this defendant is somebody who is so well vetted, everybody knows everything, but for most defendants, the judge does not have a sense of who they are as a person. what their family situation is, with her immigration status is, are they using drugs? a lot of people notice about donald trump but you could say half an hour maybe all you need but the fact is, this is them doing their due diligence and to the extent that it is on zoom, the lawyer is there, it is only half an hour, to the extent it is rigged or indifferent, it is only been in his favor picked the other piece of this he likes bringing up is the presence in this case on the da side of amending matthew purkey. they were to the department of justice and now works for alvin and they have literally used matthew to be like, the missing link between job biden, the publisher of the justice department and alvin bragg, the prosecutor that has sought charges against donald trump. for people who aren t familiar with this line of attack, this is how comp talks about matthew. matthew colangelo is a radical left from the doj who was put into the state, working with lakisha james , and then was put into the district attorney s office to run the trial against trump. we will take issue with it put into passive in that statement but you have gone between the doj and the das office, so you know what it is like, i guess, to be a plant. first of all, is that a normal thing that happens? and how in line with reality is this argument? this is something that is also being jammed up on capitol hill a lot. in a letter today, the department of justice said this was conspiratorial speculation. i think it is something a lot more sinister and dark that is going on, this is an attempt to really undermine law enforcement and to so distrust of the public if enforcement function. first off, the manhattan das office and doj walk together all the time, everything today. there are joint task forces on terrorism, on hate crimes, there is a joint task force that looks the filings the banks viral, the suspicious activity reports, there have been drinking since i have been prosecuted by the department of justice and manhattan das office against banks like standard charter, hsbc, ing and barclays, there have been cases every day that rd conflicting between department of justice and the manhattan das office, they don t arrest the same person or step on each other s toes and people go back and forth, and from the manhattan das office to the aspersion of justice and back to the manhattan das office, robert morgan was the most famous manhattan da who served for 35 years from 1975 to 2010, prior to becoming elected as a manhattan da with the united states attorney for the southern district of new york. he was an obama plant quick exactly, a stooge of the ministration. it is preposterous, right? and yet there is no sense these cries of foul play are going to end anytime soon. this is all coming to a head on july 11 when there is the sentencing hearing for trump and i guess i wonder what your expectation for that is and whether there is anything to be done around the cries of foul play in a rigged system that are inevitably going to come up no matter what trump is sentenced to? this is such a hard decision for the judge and you would not wish it on your worst enemy and frankly on both sides, nobody should want him to go to jail or want anyone to go to jail, it is a sad day. that being said it is a tough decision for him to make. the prosecution is virtually going to be asking for jail time. the defense is looking for a conditional discharge saying he has been punished enough by the felony and that is it. it will be an outcry on both sides no matter what it is. this is something that is very difficult decision. i don t know that there is any way to the political thicket of it, other than to say this is a judge who has really been around the block and will be taking this seriously unfairly and i think you ll see a sentence that is free of some of those political considerations, something that he will be, maybe dom amato, but i think both sides will be able to make of it like a rorschach test, if you will, they will be able to argue around it what ever it is. that is not exactly you are not giving me the inside dope on what you think it would be and i would never put you on the spot for that, but for all the we have seen thus far it feels like the volume is only going to increase. thank you, my friend, for being here, helping us all through this. coming up, trump appointee judge eileen cannon tosses out part of trump s indictment in the classified documents case. we are going to get to that but first, some very orwellian messaging broadcast from your trusted local news station, that is next. next. at bombas, we re obsessed with comfort. softness. quality. because your basic things should be your best things. one purchased equals one donated. visit bombas.com and get 20% off your first order. when life spells heartburn. how do you spell relief? 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it is certainly not a critical factor. all this means is that it is not sitting in what is otherwise known as a speaking indictment. it is still information prosecutors can bring out at trial, and almost certainly will litigate to make sure they can bring it out, as evidence of a prior bad act strictly in the context of mr. trump s intent, his motive, his desire, his willingness to conceal this information that he knew he knew he had classified documents, he knew he wasn t authorized to have them and he was retaining them at mar-a- lago. this is a minor, little victory for mr. trump. otherwise, the motion was denied. otherwise, the issue, of course, is that it just took so long. this could have been resolved weeks ago. it never needed to take this long. if it is not a significant win for trump, is it indicative, though, of a broader tension between the special counsel s office and this judge? because throughout this case and it seems like it has ratcheted up in recent months there is maybe not a volley because it seems like it is coming from one side, the judge does not seem happy with jack smith or his team. yes, certainly the tensions continue to boil and they have reached the point where in a hearing just a few weeks ago, prosecutors were so upset and frustrated with their attempts to try to explain to judge cannon their view on the case law and how certain legal precedents apply that the judge had to basically counsel them to calm down. none of us were there, i don t know how badly that got out of hand, but it is never a good sign when you are a lawyer and the judge is telling you to calm down. but, let s be honest about where this is going. judge cannon, for whatever reason, has chosen to take a slow and methodical approach. she hasn t granted donald trump anything of substance, yet, at any point in this case. but because of how she has dragged it out, because she is making sure the classified portions in particular are taking forever, it is almost guaranteed this will never see the light of day, it will never go to trial before people go to the voting booth in november. that seems guaranteed, there seems to be a question about whether we will see the trial, period. but, that seems to be based on politics. trump filed another motion to dismiss today, this one says that the fbi destroyed evidence by not preserving exactly where the classified material was in proximity to nonclassified material and trump is arguing he didn t pack the boxes, he didn t know what was in there. how substantive is this? or, does it matter, is it just more delay, delay, delay? i think it is largely a delay tactic, but the hope is that they might get an evidentiary hearing, something big mentioned in the motion, they want a hearing to probe into how this was conducted, how the boxes were organized, this way whether or not there is something to whether there are allegations of bias or improper storage. on the merits, it s garbage. it has nothing to do with anything in terms of destruction of evidence, and it doesn t absolve trump of the idea that he willfully retained the documents. he knew he had them in 2022, when he turned stuff over to the archives. they told him, hey, there s classified documents in this stuff. they knew he had them over the course of the next year, talking to his lawyers telling him, turn them over. and the fbi kept funding stuff in what you are turning over. it will ultimately not change anything, but quite possibly with the way judge cannon handles things, it could drag it out just a little bit more. just a little bit more. we are now at the first anniversary of the mar-a-lago case, the grand jury and bob dikeman came down on june 8th, 2023. anyone s guess if we get to the second anniversary. bradley moss, thank you, sir, for your time tonight. have a good night. that is our show for this evening. now, it is time for the last word , with jonathan k part. lawrence o donnell come in for jonathan.
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offender. tonight, what today s verdict does and does not mean about the rule of law in america. everyone is saying, where is hunter? a two-tiered system of justice we have. and how we campaign led by a convict is vetting potential running mates. certainly like having committed a crime and the scandal that just won t end. i want a sacred heart of jesus flag because i have to look across the lagoon at the pride flag. tonight jamie raskin and aoc together on their push to get answers from the supreme court. can you tell us how the supreme court and specifically the chief justice have addressed these scandals? when all in starts right now. good evening from new york. i am chris hayes. in a political era marked by a never-ending string of historic firsts, here is another today. a rare court decision that conservatives received with glee. hunter biden has been found guilty on all counts in his gun trial, federal trial in wilmington, delaware. hunter biden, the last living son of the sitting president was convicted today on three felony counts connected to lying on a federal firearms application in 2018 by not disclosing his struggles with drug addiction. he had that gun for 11 days. hunter biden now faces 25 years in prison and his father, president joe biden, did not blast the case as a crooked witchhunt. he did not target the prosecutors, the judge and the jurors, some of whom called into major news shows to discuss the verdict with no fears for their safety in this high-profile case. president biden did not shake his fist at the justice system. he put up this statement. as i said last week, i am the president, but i am also a dad. jill and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today. so many families who have had loved ones battle addiction understand the feeling of pride. as i also said last week, i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal. jill and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that. i have to say i find that genuinely touching. his love of family. also respect of the process. it is an incredibly stark contrast to the ceaseless barrage of absolutely unhinged authoritarian histrionics we all witnessed last month. remember? not just donald trump, but the entire republican party. all of the people dressing up like donald trump who went to the courthouse so he will pick them to be vice president. all of them basically calling to tear down the entire judicial system or casting aspersions on new york jurors or the judge or the prosecutor. everyone. all because their nominee got caught falsifying business records and was convicted unanimously by a jury of his peers on 34 felony counts. this was a rigged trial by a convicted judge who was corrupt. a disgrace. this is like a soviet style thing. show me the person and i will show you the crime. this was a political smear job. this is what you see in banana republics. this is the most outrageous travesty i ve ever seen. this is a justice system that hunts republicans while protecting democrats. this was a hoax, a sham. do we want to become a country where we try to jail are political opponents? what do you think the party affiliation of hunter biden is? and so this hunter biden conviction is as clear a moment of contrast as possible between the two major coalitions, the major parties in the country today. what it illustrates is that one party, under donald trump, and this is important, has placed itself outside the american constitutional order, while the other is trying to defend and uphold it. that was clear as day on january 6, but particularly in the aftermath there was palpable were among republicans. lots of them talking about how horrified they were and resigning from the administration and all of that. and there was a sense the party wanted to distance themselves from trump s lawlessness. that was then. today they are fully united as a party in opposition to the constitution. an attitude by one of the most powerful conservatives you ve never heard of. he wrote portions of the heritage foundation s project 2025 on how to remake the executive branch and a trump presidency. the washington post identified him as a potential chief of staff. he lays out his vision for a post-constitutional presidency to turn the government into a flatly authoritarian project or failing that, just a mafia style. disease more control of the justice department and assert power to withhold congressional appropriations and that is just on trump s first day back in office. meanwhile democrats are not just making statements of faith, they have taken real actions to preserve those institutions and their independence. no better example of this is the prosecution of hunter biden. remember how this started? okay, back in 2018 under david weiss, the u.s. attorney trump appointed in delaware, the fbi probed hunter biden. there were subpoenas, but there were no charges and remember, trump grew angry that his justice department had not publicized the investigation into his opponents son during the 2020 election. after trump lost the election, republicans insisted president biden would obstruct justice to keep his son free and they called for a special counsel to investigate. when a new president comes and it is his right to replace any u.s. attorney they want. they usually do. biden replaced all of trump s appointees except for two. who bill barr had test to investigate the russia probe. and david weiss, who was investigating his own son. that is because the new president, at the pains of a possible criminal conviction of his surviving son in recovery, wanted no appearance of impropriety or interference and infect biden s attorney general merrick garland went a step further and appointed weiss as special counsel to make sure his work on the hunter biden case was truly independent. that was a move that republicans opposed. the house judiciary committee writing, david weiss can t be trusted. this is just a new way to whitewash the biden family corruption. after all that an appeal deal was worked out with hunter biden and ultimately rejected by the courts. weiss ended up charging the president son for an offense so rarely prosecuted that even trey gowdy, the former congressman and prosecutor, could scarcely believe it. i did gun prosecutions for six years. i went after convicted felons. i went after people who were fugitives from justice. i went after lots of different people who were prohibited from possessing a firearm, but i bet there were not 10 cases prosecuted nationwide of addicts or unlawful drug users who possess firearms or lied on applications. i bet there weren t a dozen, which makes you wonder of all the cases you could be pursuing in delaware, why are you pursuing this one? all of this was facilitated by democrats in the white house and department of justice and capitol hill to restore faith in equal justice under the law and the norms of the constitutional order. donald trump flagrantly violated the law, interfering with the department of justice. stewing when he could not interfere further. publicly calling for prosecutions. you may have forgotten that months into his presidency troubles calling federal prosecutors and cultivating relationships with them, including the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. and obama holdover who was overseeing the investigation into stock trades made by trump s health secretary. he said those calls made him uncomfortable and he was fired as u.s. attorney less than a day after he finally refused to take a call from president trump. the administration would later tell propublica, trump s personal attorney bragged about getting him fired with reportedly telling trump, this guy is going to get you. the former united states attorney for the southern district of new york joins me now. an interesting study in contrast over the past few weeks. what strikes you about the reaction? when you think about the biden family and how joe biden in particular thinks about his job and not just his job, but his family. upon a conviction or before the conviction, the arrest and indictment of his son, given what his family has been through, you would think every fatherly instinct would ve been to protect him. if you are a father, and i know you are, you love your children more than you love yourself. you try to protect them from harm and you try to protect them from bad consequences. the biden family has suffered lots of bad things as a family and yet there are some things more important than that when you are the commander in chief and basically the president of the country and one of those things is that no one is above the law and the rule of law matters. here is an occasion as you were playing out in the intro, where joe biden had absolute authority. literal authority. he had no authority over robin bragg and did not direct the prosecution of donald trump. it is his justice department. he had the authority to direct people not to prosecute his son. he could have fired the special counsel. he could have directed the special counsel not be appointed in the first place. he could have pardoned his son preemptively. all of that conduct, given that it is his son, it kind of makes you pause and think about ton about how unbelievable that is. in a million years, if the shoe were on the other foot and donald trump was facing his son being prosecuted, by me if i had been held over. a biden holdover prosecutor, not in a million years with that have happened. some of the people on the right, the people who support donald trump, are trying to cast this as some clever program by which this actually proves they yes. i will say it is outlandish imagining don junior getting in trouble with guns and drugs, but stephen miller said this. the gun charges are a misdirection and an easy opt to sell to a quiet media that is also willing to be duped. this is about protecting joe biden and only joe biden. no matter what happens, right, the corrupt deep system is deeper than you realized. if every possible outcome, every possible permutation is arguably a point in your favor, maybe your position is terrible. i used a different word than terrible. honestly i don t even think he was required to keep david weiss on in delaware. honestly, when i say bend over backwards, that is bending over it would have been perfectly reasonable to replace him. obviously it would not be reasonable to say wink wink, nagy nudge. but if you say do your thing. by the way some other features are important to point out and you mentioned some in the intro. the jury verdict came out. they did not dox the jury or attack the judge. he did not say this is a witch hunt. he said what people say. what i used to say when i was u.s. attorney for 7 1/2 years. you win some and you lose some. we say we respect the verdict of the jury. completely opposite to what donald trump said. it was striking. after that trump verdict, i remember judge kaplan in the federal civil trial with e. jean carroll told the jurors, look, you can talk to the press if you want. i would advise you not to. in alvin bragg s case they did not and i think we all know the reason. they would expose themselves to harassment and possible threats and violence. here you had the jurors talking to us, which, great, am a reporter. i like it, but what a contrast. it is a very stark contrast and i think it goes to show that when joe biden and his supporters talk about the rule of law and nobody being above the law, they mean it. you can disagree with joe biden s policies and talk about the border and all of these things that are not in my bailiwick, but on the question of whether or not the rule of law is to be enforced and no favor given to anyone, including the son of a sitting president of the united states. the republicans are full of it on trump side and biden is not. he has walked the walk. my final question for you is about independence in the department of justice. we have a post mix in order. one of the things about nixon and the reckoning at a level of regulation, norms, and that schuetz was the department of justice can t just be a tool in the hands of the executive to pursue vendetta to prosecute and punish enemies to protect friends. the trump vision is exactly that and in fact, explicitly that. they really think we are going to come in and it is going to be like day one, go open an investigation on that person, prosecute them. what they have accused everyone else of doing. there is a great irony. one of the cases pending against donald trump, the mar-a-lago documents case in federal court in florida, donald trump steam has made a number of motions to dismiss the indictment. one of those is vindictive prosecution. there is no evidence that joe biden or anyone else directed the investigation and prosecution and indictment. by saying the things they are saying now that you are pointing out, donald trump is ironically laying out the foundation for a vindictive prosecution motion to dismiss on behalf of all the current people donald trump will be going after. he is announcing his plans before election. all of those statements and those plans, project 20/25 and everything else, will be chapter and verse and asking for those dismissals of those indictments. coming up, congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez and jamie raskin on the litany of scandals rocking the supreme court, but first, what we are learning about donald trump s rude awakening from the justice system, next. system, next. shop etsy anytime for furniture, lighting, and other thoughtful pieces made by real people to bring a little something extra to the ordinary. find handmade items that add wow to your walls, help your party set-up pop, and new things to help you fall in love with your family room again. when you want 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crime, is often on job applications. it is the subject of campaigns to get rid of it, to help former convicts get jobs and reenter society. that question is apparently still part of the vetting of trump s vice presidential pick, where it seems only one member of the ticket gets to be a felon. they asked us for a number of things. i think a number of people have been asked to submit this and that. like your taxes or something? criminal background? have you committed a crime? have you ever lied about this? certainly you have those conversations. he extensively covered trump world including his recent reporting on the juror. it is interesting to watch folks who don t know this and to watch the various implications of being convicted of a felony and all the different types of regulations and things you cannot do. in some states it is disenfranchisement, voting, liquor licenses and the like. being a person of color and a former prosecutor, i am unmoved by these newfound epiphanies on the right with respect to the reality of life in america if you are a convicted felon. one thing i find to be particularly interesting is how the right is scrambling to rearrange the narrative of what it is to be a felon. think of this for a moment. you re talking about the party that planted its flag on the notion of law and order in america, now having to walk out and say it is politically advantageous for our candidate to have 34 convictions on his record. this is a narrative they are not going to be able to square, but it is funny to watch them try. he invited in the bronx on stage, folks who are facing charges for a broad conspiracy with people that includes moving heavy drugs and violent crime. very serious, gnarly stuff. and has them on the stage like hey, this is our thing now. let s be clear, you are talking about whether someone is an associate of new orleans. an associate of felons. the list is long. i think they are trying to be like, it is actually good we are felons and they don t actually believe that. it s amazing how much the tough on crime philosophy falls by the wayside when it is the racist game show hosts turn in the barrel. donald trump and his minions talk day in and day out about a two-tiered system of justice. he is correct that one does exist in this country, it is just he is at this tier and everyone else s at this tier. so many things no other defendant could get away with. including the judge and all that stuff, he would have been put in jail for sure. absolutely and now behind the scenes and in the open he and his maga brain trust are getting ready to exploit parts of the u.s. criminal code to go after alvin bragg, letitia james, jack smith, if he returns to power in 2025. some of this is being cooked up behind the scenes and policy papers, but so much is being done in the open. you ve also got them moving to get alvin bragg before a committee. he will testify with the gop led judiciary committee. one question i had about all of this, does any of this matter in the process that trump was going through? no, it does not. you don t think it matters, talking about it is all rigged? does that matter for sentencing? donald trump s public rhetoric absolutely matters. i thought you were referring to alvin bragg going to capitol hill, which is something i think he should not do. with respect to the things donald trump is parroting in the dialogue around his case, that matters. one of the things the probation officer is going to take into account is what degree of understanding and remorse do you have? i screwed up, i m sorry. exactly. to walk in his office and say that when you have every opportunity with the microphone in front of your face. you ve reported on this and this has been going around the house republican leaders are privately gauging support for legislation that would let current and former presidents move a state case to federal court. have you heard any of that? we reported in rolling stone at the end of last month that trump had been personally calling around to different conservative allies, including republican lawmakers on capitol hill, to lobby them. when i m back in office, wouldn t it be great if you passed legislation that is ready for me to sign to have former and current presidents be able to move their cases to federal court. again, i think they are getting high on their own supply. i feel like that is a bad bill to vote for. for a front-line republican member. right? i m not crazy. if you are a maga lawmaker, certainly there is a cute appeal to it. it is not only moderate republicans on capitol hill saying maybe we shouldn t do this. i ve spoken to cronies who are close to donald trump who have told me maybe we should not go down this route because don t we want to use state a.g. s and conservative district attorneys to go after joe biden or hillary clinton? yes, the principal applying equally would hang them up. there is back and forth about the gun situation, charles. i m sure you have encountered this. what does the law say about whether he can keep the gun in florida? in your crime. he more likely than not will need to turn the gun in in florida. he is going to have a grace period where that is allowed. well technically he might be in violation of the law upon notice of conviction, he is probably going to be allowed but it does not surprise me he has to turn it in in florida. there is an incredible thing happening which is the hunter biden conviction was about a felony conviction. he lied on forms. committing a felony in terms of taking drugs and owning a gun. so he lied on the forms. now we have the ex-president holding a gun, having been convicted of a felony. a remarkable set of circumstances. charles coleman, asawin suebsaeng, thank you both. still to come, samuel alito s wife has more thoughts about flags, amazingly. aoc and jamie raskin on the supreme court legitimacy crisis, ahead. 50 days!? and its refill reminder light means i ll never miss a day of 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the opposite of pride. the alito s have not responded to requests for comment but none of what ms. alito said change the facts that justice alito allowed this to fly over his home while he sits in the highest court in the land hearing cases related to the insurrection on january 6 and sits on the court with his buddy clarence thomas whose wife was interviewed by the committee about her text with donald trump s chief of staff. both refused to recuse themselves, despite the obvious appearance of bias. when faced with an increasingly urgent question, what can be done about the out-of-control court? today democrats held a roundtable on the ethical crisis in the supreme court. i should note that one of the expert legal witnesses there was my wife. leading the panel was jamie raskin, the ranking member of the oversight committee and newark congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, the vice ranking member, and they join me now. it is good to have you on. thanks for having us. i will start with you and what the agenda was today. obviously you can t call hearings yourself as a ranking member and not the chair, but what were you trying to do today? oversight democrats wanted to respond to the national clamor over this crisis of legitimacy at the supreme court. so we analyzed the ethics crisis. we analyzed the political crisis around what got us into this and the blockaded confirmations of people like merrick garland, nominated by president obama to the court, and then we began to talk about what things could be done in the specific case of justices alito and thomas and generally about the ethical collapse of the supreme court. it is the highest court in the land with the lowest ethical standards. the only government officials in the land who are not governed by a binding ethics code. there is no process by which we can hold any of them accountable, so it violates the essential principle that james madison identified as the heart of our justice system. which is that no man can be a judge in his own cause. so we began to explore different avenues of holding them accountable. congresswoman, you said something toward the end of the hearing that it cannot be the case as a constitutional matter, as an almost intuitive commonsense matter, that they are not subject to any checks. we have three branches. checks and balances move between the positions and justice alito said in the wall street journal interview that congress has no ability to regulate us whatsoever. what should congress be doing? what are you brainstorming basically? what is the conversation about what those can be? of course justice alito s position is laughable in this. this idea that he can be and that the court should be accountable to nobody and that the only person they should be accountable to our themselves. this kind of scouts promise sort of set up for how we should be having ethics standards for the highest and most consequential court in the land. it is completely unacceptable and not only is it unacceptable but to have anyone of our coequal branches be completely unaccountable to the others is paving the path to authoritarianism, tyranny, the abuse of power in the united states. it is structurally, completely unsustainable. so it is not a question of if congress has jurisdiction and power over the supreme court. it is what power are we going to exercise in order to reign in a fundamentally unaccountable and rogue court? one of the beautiful things about today s roundtable is we were also able to call in one of our senate colleagues, senator whitehouse, who has been pursuing extensive investigations into the dark money network that has been exerting influence over the court and we raised and discussed varying measures from term limits to an actual binding ethics standard and also congressman raskin and myself will be introducing forthcoming legislation to even have the supreme court be subject to the same $50 gift rule that he and i are subject to, as are everyone else who are members of congress. that is a great point. my understanding, i was talking to my wife, kate shaw, about this. to give testimony during the hearing. she pointed out to me if i am not mistaken that things, for instance, you can get a book deal as a supreme court justice. that is allowed. but you could not like to be a partner that is something that congress passed a statute to say what you could and could not do, because obviously it would be nuts to be a supreme court justice and have a side gig as a lawyer. we all understand that. congress can pass statutes that say this activity is just not allowed. congress has a ban on outside employment and as aoc was saying, we have a $50 gift ban, so none of us goes anywhere near doing that. you don t do $500,000 vacations? that s the comical thing. members of congress don t even understand that. under what circumstance would a supreme court justice be accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions of dollars in foreign travel were paid tuition for family members or a recreational vehicle, motor stagecoach? it is outlandish for us to complicate to contemplate. it is like the normal business as usual at the supreme court that they are collecting millions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of dollars from their so-called friends. we need to clean that up. we said we will start with something simple that the whole country will be able to understand immediately and intuitively. we want a $50 gift ban. they make $300,000 a year. pay for your own lunch and pay for your own vacation. that does seem quite clear, congresswoman, and also has the advantage again. there are particular issues to deal with, but in some ways the only way to legislate it or for congress to act is outlining broad principles that are equally applicable. absolutely and as all of us as public servants, whether it is both chambers of congress, any of us are subject to the same or similar uniform code of ethics and the fact that the supreme court, which is already unelected, at least for those of us who run for office we have to re-run for office every two years in the house. for an unelected body of nine people, appointed for life, to not have any sort of binding, strict ethics code to which they cannot only be held accountable, but which can be enforced, is actually ludicrous. and it is almost unbelievable that we are sitting here in the year 2024, over 200 years after the establishment of this country, and that we actually have not addressed this issue. it is long past doing and it is common sense. one of the things we addressed, chris, was how the private corruption of the justices mirrors the public corruption of justice. it is this roberts court, this right-wing court dismantling civil rights laws, civil liberties, women s rights to choose, labor law, consumer law, you name it. as they grow more and more removed from the experiences of the way the rest of us live, the more they are willing to demolish the protections. the there are a bunch of things that happened outside of the ap purview that you have to do with equal justice under law and i wonder if both of you would stick around to talk ul about that, is that all right? 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i mean, it was very presidential and, you know, he showed in his statement love for his son and love for his country including the rule of law. the different reactions between a republican colleagues and our democratic colleagues with the trump verdict and hunter biden verdict, it is just astounding. nobody on our side said that the fix was in, nobody said that it was a travesty, nobody said that the justice needs to be turned upside down. everybody accepted it. hunter biden, like donald trump, had the right of counsel which you exercise, you have the presumption of innocence, he had the right to take the stand which he chose not to do like donald trump chose not to take the stand and they have both had unanimous jury verdicts finding that they were guilty on all counts. so i am saying about that what i said about donald trump s verdict which is, they have a right to appeal and they can do that under due process, thank god we have got that in america. and we are going to stand by the rule of law and the system of justice, for the same reason that we are fighting for a supreme court that restores its integrity and reputation because we need to have that kind of confidence, not just at the trial level in federal court or state court. we need to have it going all the way up. those of supreme court justices are just a complete runaway body. speaking of state court in new york, congresswoman, obviously you represent part of new york, there was a huge amount of insults and vitriol that has been directed at alvin bragg both from donald trump on down and people carrying water for him, that has now escalated. he will now he is being called by the house republicans before the judiciary committee and be grilled by house republicans who have rallied behind mr. trump since his conviction last month. gop lawmakers are perpetuating his false narrative that president biden ordered his prosecution. what you think about the fact that they are not escalating to the point where they will call alvin bragg before congress? what we are seeing here unseld is an outright abuse of power in the politicization of the seats of power these republicans hold in order to intimidate the courts and exact political revenge. we have to just look at this from a basic jurisdictional point of view. alvin bragg is not even this is not even a federal case in the same way. we are looking at a state court. and we are looking at municipal and state courts and we have republicans who are trying to haul them in, on what grounds exactly? this is not federal court, they do not have jurisdiction over it, this is truly just and attempt at public targeting. and we see that they do this, this is in the middle of donald trump, it is in the model of invoking and trying to incite as much anger and intimidation in order for them to get the outcomes that they want. they are so eager to be fans to donald trump that their political judgment is off because that is not where the public is and the public understands, with the hunter biden verdict in the donald trump verdict, the rule of law is just working and they are intervening, as you say, and an estate case in order simply to placate donald trump pics to precisely, what we are also seeing here is the stark contrast between joe biden and donald trump. and in president biden, we have both come yes, a loving father who is there to be supportive of his son, but also a president who respects rule of law and is willing to accept the outcomes of the case even if that outcome is not in favor with his family or his personal outcomes. whereas, you have donald trump who takes and finances the seats of government, the seats of power, and embarks on a campaign, a political intimidation, in order to secure outcomes that personally benefit him. and that at the core is part of the sticks of our democracy that are before us today. because once rule of law goes out the window, it is not something that is easy to get back and it is very much a part of the decision that we have to make before us in the next few months. congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, congressman jamie raskin, thank you for your time tonight. i really appreciate it. that is all in on this tuesday night. alex wagner tonight starts now. we have new exclusive audio from the supreme court historical society that lauren winsor has given us and we will be playing that in the hour, so stay tuned. i will pick like i said, exclusive never before heard audio recordings of justice samuel alito speaking to an undercover
that is tonight s last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. tonight, hunter biden guilty in his federal gun case. what s next for the president s only living son as he awaits sentence thing and what it could mean for the race. then my exclusive interview with john bolton. why he thinks we are not taking the former president s threats seriously enough. plus, pride month under attack. why progress is being lost as the 11th hour gets underway on this tuesday night. good evening once again, i am stephanie ruhle and we are now 147 days away from the election and today the president son, hunter biden, was convicted on all counts in his federal gun trial. the jury deliberated the three counts for just three hours. president biden says he accepts the outcome of the case and will always be there for his son. here is my colleague ryan nobles with more. reporter: tonight president biden arriving in delaware, hugging his son on the tarmac after hunter biden became the first child of a sitting president found guilty in a criminal trial. no one in this country is above the law. reporter: it took three hours of deliberations for 12 jurors to unanimously determine hunter biden guilty of three felony counts. for lying about his drug use on a federal background check to buy a gun. special counsel david weiss, who oversaw the prosecution, saying this is not a case about hunter s struggles with crack, but his decision to break the law. s choice to lie on a government form when he bought a gun and then to possess that gun. it was these choices and the combination of guns and drugs that made his conduct dangerous. reporter: inside the courtroom, the president s 54- year-old son did not react as the verdict was read. he left the courthouse holding the hand of the first lady, later releasing a statement saying i am more grateful today for the love and support i experienced this last week from melissa, my family, my friends, and my community then i am disappointed about the outcome. the verdict comes after four days of testimony from people who are or were once close to hunter biden. many testifying about his drug use around the time he filled out the background check saying he was not a drug user. his ex-girlfriend testified she witnessed hunter smoking crack every 20 minutes or so. the prosecution also using clips from hunter s own book. i have no plans beyond the moment. reporter: the defense argued hunter biden did not knowingly lie on the form. tonight we spoke to juror number 10, who asked that we conceal his identity. separating the politics from the case a absolutely. for us it was not politically motivated. politics never played into anything that we said in the jury room. reporter: president biden, who said he would not pardon his son, writing, jill and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today. jill and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that. with that let s get smarter with the help of our leadoff panel this evening. mike memoli is here. he has covered president biden and his family for more than a decade. susan glasser joins us, staff writer for the new yorker and harry litman, former assistant attorney general. mike, you know this president and his family better than any other reporter out there. how are they all reacting to this? biden has a lot of family expressions and one i have heard him invoke so often is that family is everything. it is the beginning, it is the middle, and it is the end. in the more than decade of covered president biden i have seen them come together to celebrate their greatest triumphs. the election, the inauguration most recently. i have also seen them have to endure some of the most difficult and tragic moments as a family. this is one that yet again has brought the family together. to really take stock of a very difficult moment. really the past week and a half has been so difficult to have to relive through this trial the most difficult moments of their family, starting with the death of beau biden and what it did to hunter biden, leading to the addiction to drugs. as i have been talking to people close to the family tonight i have been struck by a tone of defiance about what comes next. there has been concern about what this might mean politically, but also personally for president biden. he is 21 weeks away from his last election. 16 days away from a consequential debate against donald trump, but the tone i am hearing from people close to the president is that they are so proud of their public service as a family and nothing is going to stop them from achieving the goal that is set out in front of them. they know they have a difficult task ahead. the politics, the legal situation does not get easier from here but they are determined to face this together as a family. harry, you wrote in the l.a. times that the jury decision was right, but the prosecution was wrong. i don t think i know what that means. let me try. department of justice guidelines, stephanie, have ways of handling cases and cases like this in which someone lies on a form but does not do any other crime with a gun or part of a gang or whatever are universally dismissed or not treated with the severity that david weiss treated this one. that is how david weiss first proposed to treat this one about a year ago when the gun charges were going to be the subject of a diversion agreement if hunter biden kept clean for two years. it would go away. so the screaming question, not the jury verdict but the question to charge presents and i don t know what the answer is. what happened to change his view of what was the proper punishment and treatment of hunter biden to take it outside how gop practice would normally treat it. because he is a special counsel no one in the doj supervisory structure which normally would say we don t do that to these cases, here is how we handle these cases. no one was there to say that and i think it is certain for whatever reason that hunter was treated more severely than another defendant with the same facts. you have written that you don t think a game changer could change voters minds about this election so i assume you think this verdict won t have much of an impact. we are getting to the point that you are anticipating me too well. look, if donald trump s conviction and becoming the first convicted felon in american history who was a former president, if that was not a radical change in the election, i don t see the conviction of a private citizen, even one who was the son of a current president to be a game changer in this race. it was that close. there was a minor, incremental shift at best toward biden. it is not entirely clear how this conviction of biden s son will play politically. certainly republicans were immediately questioning this, saying this is really just a distraction and all sorts of instantaneous conspiracy theories. default setting from some of trumps public supporters and defenders. you know, hunter biden is not running for president and that s the bottom line. there is no evidence that years of investigations of him, of dragging his name around, has really affected biden s political standing and i don t anticipate this would, either. hunter biden is not running for president. we should remind our audience he has no role in our government, past, present, and no plans for the future. harry, what could he be looking at as far as sentence goes? the standard guidelines would dictate a sentence between 15 to 21 months, based on the conduct and lack of criminal history. those are just recommendations and my best guess, consistent with what i was saying about how people who don t do anything else other than lie on the form are treated is that he will receive a fair bit less than that from the judge. remember however that there are still the tax charges he has to face and david weiss made it clear that the investigation is ongoing and he may be targeting some of hunter biden s conduct in 2014 or so in china, in business dealings. for this charge i expect him to get a sentence that is a matter of months, not the 15 to 21 that the guidelines would otherwise dictate. even if it is just a few months, hunter biden, unlike most people in his situation has secret service protection. so how does that work? your guess is as good as mine, though we have been thinking about it and we know the secret service prepared a plan when it came up with donald trump. trump would have his own wing and people would be there. there would be a lot of cooperation with local authorities. here it is easier because it is federal authorities, bureau of prisons and secret service. that will be worked out one way or another. i think that is sort of the least of the practical issues that this conviction poses today. michael, you laid it out for us, how close the biden family has. how to finance the president is when it comes to protecting his family, how he talks about the family. around this time last year i interviewed the president. much to his teams chagrin, anger, fury, i asked about hunter and he said my son is an innocent man, my son is a good man. the president is now headed deeper into this campaign into the debate stage. how is he going to handle the questions he is asked, the narrative around hunter now that we have this guilty verdict and a president who does respect the rule of law and decisions made by a jury? just think about the gauntlet that is ahead. i mentioned 16 days from now is the first debate. preparation is critical. the president tomorrow is leaving for an important foreign trip. meeting with other key leaders as well as pope francis. you know how close this president is with that hope. it will be an interesting meeting, but then he comes back and has a little over a week to prepare for that debate. we have never in modern history scenery match between combatants like trump and biden and we know the strategy on the part of the former president is very likely to try to get under president biden skin and use this against him. the biden team looks at 2020 when, yes, hunter biden was a frequent political cudgel that trump tried to use against him and the president s advisers say it did not work then and it actually backfired on donald trump. they are presenting this as do this at your own peril to donald trump, but i think it is a concern to people close to president biden that as important as the debate is and as important as preparation is, will he be able to focus on the task at hand? the answer from those i ve spoken to today is that is not going to be an issue. susan, i m sure you remember this question. former president trump and his friends at fox news said it over and over and over. where is hunter? they said it for days, weeks, months. it seemed like years. yet after today s verdict the trump campaign was basically silent, saying it is just a distraction. what in the world is going on here, susan? well, first of all i guess now that donald trump himself where s the label of convicted felon and has been at the spearhead of the most kind of concerted assault that we have ever seen, i think, by one political party in this country against the very legitimacy of the legal system. it is not exactly a comparison that is favorable where you have democrats on down today saying listen, we respect the rule of law. biden isn t going to issue a pardon for his own son. as painful as this is we think that the jury system works and things like that. the contrast with trump is obviously one that is very unfavorable and i am struck by how quickly trumps allies immediately reverted to conspiracy theories and make- believe. i can t stress that enough. they are still in burnet down mode when it comes to our legal system and that includes, you know, trying to imply that this case is a distraction from the real secret being covered up, the real case that should be brought against hunter biden. whatever the conspiracy theory is, it is part of a purposeful plan to rip down the authority and the legitimacy of the legal system, because of donald trump. because of one man. republicans like to say the current president weaponize is the justice department, but i want to share with democrat jim mcgovern had to say about that very thing. watch this. apparently when a republican is convicted it is weaponization, but when a democrat is convicted, the president s son no less, that is justice. give me a break. hunter biden was found guilty by a jury of his peers, just like donald trump. the divide is stunning and it is a great reminder that one political party remains committed to the rule of law and the other doesn t. jim mcgovern bringing a rational thought to a political party. crazy to do these days. michael, there are a lot of apolitical people. it seems like what you laid out with the a clear contrast for voters. is it? it is interesting because what we didn t hear from the president, from those around him tonight, was criticism of a trump appointed judge that presided over this trial or the prosecution from the trump appointed special counsel. there was none of that in the statement before the trial began and today when the try was over, he reiterated his respect for the rule of law and freedom and democracy have been an important part of the president s campaign. that is an example he is showing not just through those words, but the words we saw in another interview last week. the president has the power after this difficult moment, this difficult verdict, to free his son of any potential jail time. he can issue a pardon as soon as the sentence comes down and he has said he will not do that. if ever there was an opportunity for a president to put their finger on the scale of the justice system and given how close he and his family are, it would seem to be in this moment and he said he is not going to do that. thank you all for starting us off on this very serious news evening. when we return this man once worked in the trump administration and a cabinet level position. now one of his biggest critics. john bolton talks the verdicts in both trump and hunter biden s trials. later the biden campaign has an aggressive strategy to brand trump as a felon. how the president s sons verdict could complicate that. the 11th hour, just getting underway on a tuesday night. da. 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i don t think enough people are. when you hear trump saying things like people are saying that retribution can be justified, what he really means is i am saying that retribution can be justified. i think he has a long list of adversaries he wants to go after, but i think the justice department under the trump administration will be in continuing chaos as he tells his political appointee is to go after people whether there are grounds to do it or not and what those lawyers do will tell you a lot about their legal integrity. i think it will put the judiciary under real pressure. you might be on the perceived enemy list. are you concerned at all for your safety? i m concerned about a lot of people that i think he made clear he wants to go after. he tried to suppress my book. he tried to get a criminal investigation started. both of those have been settled and taken out of the picture because they were utterly without merit, but i don t think those technicalities stand in trumps way. he said for example he wants to prosecute the former chairman of the joint chief of staff s for daring to have a conversation with his chinese counterpart in the run-up to january 6, to assure the chinese that they need not worry. trump says that his treason and he reminded people that the death penalty used to apply. i think he is very serious. he may joke about it a little bit, but this will be a retribution presidency and i think the justice department will be where the rubber meets the road. you called the new york verdict a fire bell in the night and you urged your party to nominate somebody else at the convention. do you think that is something that could realistically happen? is there a group behind the scenes potentially working on this? i don t think it is realistic, but i think people ought to have a gut check one more time. for most americans voting for a convicted felon, i think, is going to be a real obstacle. you can say all you want that this was the result of political discrimination against trump. he will be able to raise the selective prosecution argument on appeal. when the case was put in front of 12 regular americans, new yorkers like donald trump used to be, they found him guilty. i think the facts the prosecution presented were clear and that is a problem the party will have and could affect senate candidates, house candidates, gubernatorial candidates. i think if he is elected, electing the first convicted felon as president of the united states will cause real damage to the united states and how we are perceived abroad. given the guilty verdict today for president biden son, hunter biden, what do you say to those republicans who say joe biden weaponized the department of justice and made it his political tool? right and basically shot his son in the process. it is a conspiracy theory. i speak as an alumnus of the department of justice. you could not do in that department what trumps supporters say has been done and not have it leaked to every major media outlet in the country. it is possible to be the victim of selective prosecution and unfairly so and also be guilty. i think certainly that is probably true in trump s case. in hunter biden s case they are not done with him yet. there will be an income tax case and the u.s. attorney, special counsel investigation into hunter continues. so i would like to see what the impact of this case is on the election. it will have an election impact, even though it is not joe biden. it is his son. and see what people think when trump says poor donald trump, the whole world is against him. apparently against hunter biden, too. do you think donald trump is a threat to democracy? we keep hearing that phrase. i want to know if you believe it and if so, practically, tangibly what does it look like? i don t think it is a threat to democracy or our system. i think it will cause enormous damage and a term of confusion and turmoil. but the idea that donald trump is going to overthrow the united states constitution, overthrow the republic as an existential threat to democracy gives him too much credit. i think it is important to state the threat accurately. not to overstate it, not to understate it, but to understand what the nature of the threat is so people who oppose it can combat it more effectively. overdoing it i think gives trump a break and that s a mistake. you said that donald trump doesn t have the brains for dictatorship. even though he said that he would be a dictator on day one. does that make him any less dangerous if he is not that smart but still wants to be a dictator? i think it goes to the point that while donald trump has an infinite span of attention when it comes to the greater glory of donald trump, his attention span on most other issues is about he will to a fruit fly. so that his opponents and even some of his supporters who try and move him away from the most dangerous things that he does will have plenty of room to try to step in. i m not trying to minimize what i see donald trump doing. i think what he was doing at the end of his first term is where it will pick up the day he is inaugurated and it is serious. when you say the republic itself will fall like the roman republic well, really? people think donald trump is equal to julius caesar? give me a break. he may not be, but this time around he won t have the safety guards of you, h.r. mcmaster, the list goes on. are you concerned about the people that are in his current orbit and what they are capable of doing and how they can influence him? yes, i think any administration in a second term does not attract the quality of people it does in the first for the very practical reason that the runway in the second term is shorter. trump will be a lame duck the minute he is sworn in and he has a lot of people around him. basically the people who stayed in the government after january 6 who were second and third rate at best. i think the bigger danger is that trump will insist on staffing a second term on personal loyalty to him above all. he is coming up with his decision for his vice presidential nominee and i think the two questions are, number one, do you think the 2020 election was stolen? and number two, if i told you in a similar situation to do what i told mike pence to do, would you do it? unless the answer to both questions is yes, then that person will not be considered for vice president. i think you will see something similar in all of the key positions. that is a very dangerous circumstance and to the extent the senate republicans included take the confirmation process seriously. if they see people who are more loyal to donald trump than they are to the constitution, that alone is grounds against them. is there a certain person that you see as highly dangerous who you are worried about? i would not want to give any of them academy awards. i think there are bright people including people in the house and senate who have joined this cult of personality and the smarter they are, the more dangerous they are. you are giving us some very serious warnings and things to take seriously, but something i m going to say is not that serious. a write in vote. this election is going to be joe biden or donald trump. in 2020 you wrote in dick cheney. you said you would do it again. are you really giving a clear and honest warning if you are willing to do another right in that won t help anything? look, i bought that argument in 2016 when hillary clinton ran against trump and i voted for trump in 2016. hillary and bill were a year ahead of me in law school and i like to say i ve been burdened with them a lot longer than the rest of the country. after working for trump i could not vote for him, but i did not vote for joe biden in 2020 and won t this year because i don t think he is fit to be president either, for different reasons. when you have two people who don t cross the bar of acceptability, i think it is legitimate to cast a protest vote. a lot of republicans told me a year ago that they would not vote for trump. that they will look at biden and choose what they considered to be the lesser of two evils and i hear other republicans and some democrats say the opposite. it is an unhappy time for america when these are the two people we nominated and it will be a bad four years for america, whichever of them wins. then are these concerns that you have that serious? writing somebody and who won t when is not serious. it s a protest vote. if i didn t vote for anybody this time it would be a protest vote as well. i m not going to vote for someone i think is not qualified, not fit for the office. i m not going to vote for people whose principles i don t agree with. ambassador, think you for joining me today. pleasure to meet you. glad to do it. when we return, how hunter biden s guilty verdict could impact his father s reelection campaign, especially with the first debate two weeks away. when the 11th hour continues. ffects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. far-xi-ga you know what s brilliant? 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they can t, stephanie and i think we are already seeing previews of how they will contort themselves and make the reach that, oh no, this hunter biden verdict is unique in and of itself. completely different from what is happening to trump and that is not the reality. i think republicans will still try to say that even though it has been demonstrated that they have nothing to gain here. they tried and failed repeatedly to use hunter biden as a political football and the responses today show that they fully understand that it is nothing for them to win here. i think we were describing trump statement as a distraction. so i don t expect them to stop at that, right? they will keep with the trump lies, but when we look at this broadly we have to keep in mind that that is not going to have an impact in the selection. throughout the afternoon we ve heard it repeated that hunter biden is not running for election, donald trump is. we ve also heard the contrast from president biden who fully says he accepts the jury decision. he respects the justice system, compared to trump saying it is rigged and i think that is a contrast that will be replayed again and again and that will be something that captures voters attention more than the verdict specifically on hunter biden. hunter biden is a one off. menendez s legal bills would disagree. the president has started to use the term, convicted felon, calling trump that over and over. now that his son is in that camp, does it make it harder for him to do that? no, because he is not talking about his son. he s talking about the guy running against him to be the next president of the united states. hunter is not running for anything. hunter is taking care of business and will have another casey will have to deal with, just as donald trump is taking care of his business and will have three or four other cases to deal with. from the president s perspective it is smart politics to call the thing what it is. why would you run away from that? honestly he is a convicted felon. we watched our friends on this network countdown each count, one through 34. i think for the biden team it is an opportunity for them to lean into the politics and this is a political campaign. what candidate in the country, in the world for that matter, would not use this kind of weakness that is self-imposed by his opponent? remember this is all because of what donald trump did. joe biden was not in that hotel room with stormy daniels. donald trump was. the reality of it is, that is the reality. that s the truth. those are the facts and why not talk about it when the moment presents itself? judging when and exactly how each time may be a matter of some decision, but lean into it and call the thing what it is. i want to talk about somebody else that talks about politics today in the presidential race. a republican we don t hear from often, paul ryan, he was on fox news and here is what he said. he said he is a populist and authoritarian narcissist. it is a job that rick myers the kind of character he just does not have. that s pretty strong. that s the way i feel. i agree with that. i don t support biden, either. i think his policies are terrible. a lot of republicans make this argument. we heard john bolton saying basically the same thing on the show. michael, what is your response to that? my response is okay. to a certain extent, to each his own, but at a certain point it has to become about the country. going back to your discussion with john bolton, the reality is this is a big deal. you have an individual who is running for president who says he wants to be a dictator. i don t know. that is not what we do or have done. that is not what we are inclined towards. yet we may have had folks in america who danced with this idea back in the 30s. and in the 1950s with john birch society, but leaders in this country and ultimately the american people said that is not who we are. i am not forsaking the future of my kids and my grandkids to some fool who wants to be a dictator, because i know what history has taught me about dictatorships and that is not who we are. so at a certain point the paul ryan s and john bolton s may sit and go, i can t do that. but what i am asking my fellow republicans to do and center- right voters to do is think about the country for once. think about the bigger issue. think about your kids and the importance of this. there are a lot of things about the biden administration policies i could disagree with all day long, but they are not a threat to my freedom. they are not a threat to my family and my future. i get up every morning and have that fight with the administration. i can t have that fight with thugs from a former dictator knocking on my door. i m at a disadvantage there as an american citizen. so there are some important points to be made about this election. i happen to think that is one of them. i hope paul ryan and others will come around and at the end of the day what they do in the privacy of the voting booth is their business, despite what they may say publicly. i m guessing right now mitch mcconnell is tucked into his bed, nodding and agreeing with everything michael is saying. in public he is going to be welcoming donald trump later this week along with fellow senate republicans. how do you think this will go? these two men have not met in person since 2020. they may loathe each other, but they both love power. they both love authority and that is one reason they will continue to do the public display. i want to go back to something michael said that connected the dots in the way that john bolton couldn t. understanding that threat is important because what bolton could not commit to is that trump is a threat to our democracy. it was jarring to me to hear that interview in a post january 6 reality, in an effort to undermine the 2020 election results reality, where trump still refuses to accept those results and his supporters refused to proactively accept the 2024 results and to claim he is not a threat to democracy. it shows a disconnect that again, it aligns with some of the other republican talking points that are completely not based in reality and outlandish. connecting the dots for the american public is critical and i appreciate that the biden campaign has started their outreach campaign to the never trump republicans and crafting a national narrative that will appeal across partisan lines. because understanding the threats. understanding the components of project 2025 is going to be mobilizing factors in the selection. juanita, michael, i appreciate the two of you being here. great to see you both. when we return, pride under attack. we talk about the growing hostility ahead of pride month with the head of glaad when the 11th hour continues. inu i asked my doctor about treating my td, and learned about ingrezza. ingrezza ingrezza is clinically proven for reducing td. most people saw results in just two weeks. people taking ingrezza can stay on most mental health meds. only number-one prescribed ingrezza has simple dosing for td: always one pill, once daily. ingrezza can cause depression, suicidal thoughts, or actions in patients with huntington s disease. pay close attention to and call your doctor if you become depressed, have sudden changes in mood, behaviors, feelings, or have thoughts of suicide. don t take ingrezza if you re allergic to its ingredients. ingrezza may cause serious side effects, including angioedema, potential heart rhythm problems, and abnormal movements. report fevers, stiff muscles, or problems thinking as these may be life threatening. sleepiness is the most common side effect. take control by asking your doctor about ingrezza. ingrezza chewy, a citi client, uses citi s financial expertise to help drive its growth and keep its supply chain moving, so more pet parents can get everything they need. right when they need it. keeping more pets, and families, happy. for the love of moving our clients forward. for the love of progress. the chances of a plane crash 1 in 11 million. you re not going to finish those salted nuts, right? 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here to discuss, sarah kate ellis, president and ceo of glaad. what are we seeing here? i think it has been building. what we have seen the past couple of years is this intensity against our community from politician, from right wing politicians. there have been over 500lgbt bills proposed. only 37 have passed at the state level across the country. the damage, though, is done as soon as those bills are proposed. what the politicians do are filling people with rhetoric, misinformation, and lies about our community. and it is fueling hate. just in the past month, we have seen over 30 attacks on our community. this past weekend, we saw three bomb threats. it is a direct line coming from the anti-lgbtq activists and mostly politicians. we also have companies now. now officially saying no to pride, but quietly pulling back support. why is this happening? i m not seeing that as much. i am seeing that headline. i work with over 300 fortune 500 countries and they are actually not pulling back. i think as a result from last year s pride and the bruhaha over bud light and target. what they are doing is integrating pride more into their every day. taking a 365 day approach versus putting all of their eggs in one basket. i am seeing an increase in commitment. i will tell you why that is. 30% of the next generation are lgbtq. 80% of the next generation identify as allies to the community. if you are a consumer business in america, you need to step up your ally ship. they realize that what they are trying to do is do it in really thoughtful ways. how much does misinformation fuel all of this? 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verdict on three felony gun charges, becoming the first child hello, to the sitting us president to face conviction. we re getting new reaction from the defense team, the special counsel, the first family, and the trump campaign plus new tails, new details are emerging from donald trump s probation interview that could weigh on judge juan merchan, sentencing decision. what trump told me officials about a firearm. he didn t turn over to police after his indictment. and what that means potentially now that he s a convicted felon also tonight secret audio recordings to taken by liberal activist are raising new questions about the neutrality of the us supreme court. justice samuel alito s comment it s about religion, are raising eyebrows. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i m willing or a year in the situation room the skis, cnn breaking news the breaking news tonight, that president biden in delaware right now after a jury convicted his son, hunter biden on federal gun charges, are chief legal affairs correspondent paula reid has the latest developments of the conclusion of this historic trip president joe biden, son hunter, left federal court in wilmington, delaware today, a convicted felon, a jury of six men and six women, took less than three hours to find him guilty on three counts related to a 2018 gun purchase a few jurors spoke to cnn after court adjourned. one question, whether the case should have been brought in the first place, saying it seemed like a waste of taxpayer dollars, but another juror told cnn that this was a legitimate pursuit. i mean, do you think that this was a legitimate use of taxpayer resources to bring this case? yes. i do believe it, despite feeling badly for hunter and his battles with addiction, the 12 jurors agreed that they had no choice but to convict all 12 jurors. did agree that yes, he know and laying bought a gun when he was an attic or he was addicted to drugs and the jurors interviewed by cnn said politics played no role in their decision. those are inviting never really even came in to play for me. his name was only brought up one store in the trial and that s when i that s when it kind of sunk and a little bit, but you kind of put that out of your mind. president biden released a statement after his son s verdict saying, in part i am the president, but i am also a dad jill, and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today and i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal hunter also issued a statement after court thanking his wife and supporters saying i am more grateful today for the love and support i experienced this last week from melissa, my family, my friends, and my community, than i am disappointed by the outcome. special counsel, david weiss made a rare statement defending the case ultimately, this case was not just about addiction, a disease that haunts families across the united states, including hunter biden s this case was about the illegal choices defendant made while in the throes of addiction this conviction comes to the possibility of a decades in prison, hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines. but that is the upper range of sentencing possibilities. it s widely expected here that hunter biden would face something far less. one of the jurors that we spoke with today said he doesn t believe that hunter biden should go to jail at all but the decision ultimately rests with the judge and we ll find out what she decides. we re back here likely in october for sentencing. there is no date set at this point, but is expected that it will happen before election day. wolf ball arena, delaware for us. thank you very much. i want to go to the white house right now. that s where cnn s kayla tausche is standing by. taylor what more can you tell us about how president biden is handling this conviction? well, well, if we can say that president biden is handling this emotionally and with his family i m late in-person, although the biden family has in the past sought privacy during events related to hunter s legal battles. but today, choosing a very republic show of support at the delaware air national guard, where you saw president biden hugging hunter, hugging his wife, melissa biden, and giving a kiss on the head to bone let s his toddler son to hunter and waleses toddler son, beau before hunter greeted the secret service members and many white house staff members before getting into his his own car. and leaving that scene. but this of course comes as president biden is seeking to wear two hats, one of both dad and president. and in that role president earlier in the day, he delivered remarks at a gun safety event everytown for gun safety is gun sense university where he was talking about all of the new the protections put in place by a bipartisan gun law that he and members of congress and promoted back in 2022 following the uvalde school shooting. and he was expected to announce a high volume of doj prosecution s on new gun crimes under that law, totaling more than 500. that statistic appeared in a doj press release but it did not appear in the president s remarks, the white house, when asked about why not they chose instead to point to the overarching message that president biden delivered. there. now as for what happens next, president biden has already been asked about the powers of clemency that he possesses as president and whether he would seek a pardon for his son he has said had no here s how that response came in will you accept the jury s outcome, their verdict no matter what it is? yes. and have you ruled pulled out a pardon for your son? yes. you have he was not asked about a potential commutation of a potential sentence, but the sentencing is currently expected to take place in the weeks before the election. wealth. kayla tausche at the white house for us, kayla, thank you. i want to dig deeper right now with our legal and political experts of course, khardori or former federal prosecutor, i ll start with you. what do you make of this fascinate the fascinating information we ve learned at least so far from jurors about how they reached this guilty verdict. well, it may think it s a testament to their honesty that the president s status as our commander-in-chief apparently did not weigh into there deliberations in any serious way. i do share the view of one of the jurors who described this as a potential waste of taxpayer money but nevertheless, that juror voted to convict hunter biden, understanding evidently that it s not that person s decision to decide whether or not the case should have been brought, but it was brought the judge the evidence and reach the conclusion that i think was largely unavoidable. jamal, let me get your thoughts and your mouth. simmons is with us. hunter biden, of course, is not a candidate. he s just the president s son. so what do you think the actual political impact of this conviction could be? i don t think there s going to be that great, but political impact, most people are not going to be swayed by this because most people have had some experience with their lives as the tragedy of addiction and gone down the road of what happens if people in their families who are addicted. so on one hand, you ve got the president signs and who is an addict? two substances on the other hand, you ve got a former president who has been convicted of 34 counts of hiding hush money payments to as pornstar mistress to keep her from going public during the midst of a presidential campaign. they re not the same thing. i think most voters know that alyssa farah griffin is also with us. alyssa, i want you in our viewers to listen to the house speaker mike johnson s reaction earlier today to this verdict. listen to this mr. speaker, you ve been saying two-tiered system of justice for some time. here s the president sayyed being convicted on three counts as that undercut your client it doesn t every case is different and clearly the evidence is overwhelming here. i don t think that s the case and the trump trials and all the charges that have and brought against couldn t have been obviously brought for political purposes. a hunter biden is a separate instance does this verdict elicit take the steam out of the republicans baseless claims about the weaponization of the us justice department of course, while it absolutely undercut said just taking a step back, we re in uncharted territory here were the same department of justice that indicted donald trump in the mar-a-lago documents case. and in the january 6 case, also just convicted the sitting president, son of a crime through a jury this is anything underscores that our justice system works without fear or favor despite the imperfections of it, it is something that works to be objective and i think it dramatically undermines this claim that it s a weaponized system. if you re an undecided voter, who d wasn t really sure what to make of the trump conviction. you her on the one side, on the right, that this was a weapon and on the left that no. a jury of his peers found him guilty. you re seeing this and i think you re saying, oh, wait, the system does seem to work regardless of who s who the name of the person that is on trial on kirsha, you were in the courtroom. my for much of this trial, hunters, sentencing, as we know, will likely take place in the fall before the election how much time, if any, is he realistically, realistically looking at? and does he have a chance on appeal? look, i would think he would be looking realistically at potentially months in prison if the prosecutors decide to seek a prison term and the judge is seriously considering it that would be consistent with sort of a first-time offender in this space. i m sure he will be arguing for a probation and he would have a good claim to probation given his history in and the uniqueness of this prosecution. but i think at the sort of the extreme he would looking at months, not not multiple years in terms of its appeal prospects. look, i do think he has a colorable appeal here based on his argument that the second amendment basically renders this prosecution unconstitutional and a prohibition it s not generally speaking, then as applied to him, unconstitutional. i have no idea how that issue will be resolved, but the supreme court has issued some very pro-gun rulings in this area. and if you were to follow the logic of the bruin decision to a t, there is a pretty good argument here that the laws under which biden was convicted are also unconstitutional as applied to him under the second amendment two, very interesting jamal or the timing of the verdict and eight, created a rather bizarre optics situation with the president biden delivering a previously scheduled speech, speech about gun safety. what just hours after his son was convicted on felony gun charges? the white house also later canceled the daily press briefing. is this a bad look for the administration? what do you think it s a bad day for the administration, but more importantly, it s a bad day for the president and for his son, but it s a bad day in a personal way, not really one about the administration and its policies. the president s policies aren t guns had been clear for a long time. he passed the assault weapons ban. but i just wanna go back to something we were at a minute ago with alyssa can you imagine a world where obama prosecutor, when after don junior, ivanka trump, while barak, while while donald trump was president he allowed that prosecutor to go after them, indict them, see them commit, can see them convicted, and then said he would not he would not pardon them. i can t imagine that world we all know. that s probably not the case. donald trump would i think we just lost, we just lost. that has a commitment to the rule of law that we just have never seen before. guard jamal standby, alyssa, the trump campaign statement reads in part, and i m quoting now, we read it this trial has been nothing more than a distraction from the real crimes of the biden crime family. is this verdict something the trump campaign can seize on politically? what do you think? so i actually see this totally different than jamal does. i actually think this could be a boon for biden. it s certainly doesn t help trump. and i think this sort of this statement afterwards spoke to the fact that if anything, it proves this point that the system is not weaponized, that donald trump s own conviction was legitimate 52% of americans approve of the conviction as many is 16% approve of the trump conviction so when you start dealing in those realities, electorally, knowing donald trump s name is on the ballot, not hunter biden s. i think they re realizing that this might undercut his biggest vulnerability, which is the fact that he is the first convicted felon to be running for president then 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new information right now about donald trump s interview with probation officials ahead of his sentencing and 34 felony counts our chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst, john miller, has been working as sources for us and he has excellent sources. john, this concerns a gun in trump s possession, right? that s right. well, if yesterday when donald trump and todd blanche met with probation officials in new york to do the pre-sentence report they went to a number of questions about where do you live, where do you spend more time? new york or florida. things like that. and it came to your new york city pistol license is suspended. there s three guns on a two were turned over to the nypd where s the third gun and they were told there s a gun in florida so new york probation officials decided that they would reach out to authorities in florida to address that. now what that means technically is that since his conviction on felony charges in new york state on may 30, donald trump has been a felon in possession of a firearm now you don t have to have that firearm on you. it just has to be somewhere where you have what they call constructive possession, where you have access to it, whether it s locked away or not. but that would be a serious violation of not just a us federal law but also florida state law for a convicted felon now, let s set that aside for a minute authority say this is a complicated defendant he lives a complicated existence. he doesn t carry weapons, he s guarded by secret service but this is a detail that they want to resolve and make sure that that gun is accounted for all right. good reporting. thanks very much, john, for that report. let s discuss this and get some analysis from former federal prosecutor, at least adamson and cnn senior law enforcement analyst, charles ramsey alise, could trump s admission that he still holding onto this gun impact potentially his sentencing. it s coming up. what july 11, how soon does he have to turn this gun? well, that s a good question. well, if i think technically he should have already turned this gun in as was just reported donald trump was convicted of a felony. and so at this time, he would be considered a felon in possession of the firearm. now, new york has a very clear road map to how defendant needs to surrender their firearms post-conviction, it s a little bit different when we re talking about federally or other jurisdictions, when the conviction happened elsewhere however the by the letter of the law, once he is convicted, he can no longer be in possession. so it is odd to me at todd blanche would have sat there as he made this admission and not thought of this before the interview, we need more information when he says it s in florida, is it it is house. did he surrender it? where is it but assuming argue window, it s in mar-a-lago. that s a potential problem now, directly to your question as to whether or not it will impact sentencing. again, it s the facts and circumstances is the former president holding onto the firearm and just refusing to relinquish it. i think that would be a data point. the judge were merchan will take into consideration. but is this really just a case of figuring out how to surrender it or is he in the process of transferring ownership? all of those details will matter. come sentencing de chief ramsey, as you know, in new york officials said this information will be passed along to florida police to quote, and i m quoting now, take whatever steps are necessary if trump doesn t voluntarily return his gun what authorities do you believe have to step in well, you know, i think not at this has come to light that they ll work toward getting that gun. he s not supposed to be in possession of the gun. he is a convicted felon. but this is a situation where, you know, he s really living in two different places. i mean, he spends a lot of time in new york also in florida. the one gun is in florida now he had two others that he surrendered last year shortly after he was indicted so he s already given up two of the guns. this is the one that s outstanding i really find it hard to believe that they would not make every effort to try to turn that in as soon as possible, or leases trump potentially at risk of being criminally charged for illegally possessing a firearm yeah. so i don t think he is now, again technically, could they charged him perhaps if the circumstances are correct, if it is in mar-a-lago, if it is within his constructive possession, then yes. it s a very serious charge. they could charge him federally i just looked into it prior prior to speaking with you, it carries a term of a potential ten years in prison of slightly old statistic, but from 2021, the united states sentencing commission said 96.9% of defendants charged with that crime. were, were sentenced to prison. so very, very serious, risky, which is why i don t know why todd blanche would have not made sure that the gun was surrendered to authorities prior to the psi, but very unlikely because he s still in between the conviction and sentencing. and there isn t a clear legal requirement of when and how he surrenders the gun in florida. chief ramsey, your the former police chief here in washington, dc. former police commissioner in philadelphia, is trump getting more leeway, right now or is it standard for convicted felons to take time? to return their guns well, is that standard for convicted felons to take time to turn in a gun i m not aware of that occurring with any degree of frequency, but i do think that they will make some allowances to give him an opportunity to turn to gun in i d be surprised if that doesn t happen now, he is guarded as john miller said, by secret service 24 hours a day, seven days a week, he has a nice guy. he s got, but earth of his life, he ll have that kind of protection. and so there s a lot going on. this is unprecedented. we ve never had a homer president convicted of anything and so now this is just one of those things. it s very serious. i m not trying to make light of it, but i would doubt very seriously if this is going to be something that s going to go beyond a day or two before that gun is located, turned in chief ramsey. thanks very much. at least adamson. thanks to you as well. just ahead, the us supreme court back in the spotlight today. here, what two justices are heard saying in secret recordings. i m controversial topics the most anticipated moment of dyslexia and the stakes couldn t be higher. the president and the former president, one stage two very different visions for america s future that cnn presidential debate thursday, june 27th, nine life, i d cnn and streaming on max reading that and yeah, that s not good happen huge things happen happens be there with three, learn more at rnc.com with armor all little bit of this protects you from a lot of that armor all less work, more clean start your day with nature. the number one pharmacist 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declining trust from the american public. those tapes obtained by rolling stone magazine captured us supreme court justices are weighing in on political matters cnn s jessica schneider has more tonight, no comment from the supreme court after two of its most senior justices and one of their spouses are heard on secret recordings discussing sensitive topics people in this country we re leaving embedded, keep fighting to return our country to a place the bodley names. i agree with you justice samuel alito speaking to lauren windsor during a dinner last week, hosted by the supreme court historical society windsor, a liberal activist posing as a devout catholic when talking with the justice, where he also addresses the current the polarization of the country that we can go the polar if i it is a matter of like winning. i think you re probably right now one side or the other, one side or the other i don t know i mean, there can be a way of working our way of living together, please it s different because there are differences fundamental things that really can t it s not like what the difference. this society condemned the secret recordings, saying attendees are advised not to discuss anything from the event windsor defended her actions today in an interview with cnn there s nothing illegal in dc about recording people so long as one person is a party to that conversation to people who want to pearl-clutchers about this yeah. please tell me how we re going to get answers when the supreme court has been shrouded in secrecy and really just refusing any degree of accountability whatsoever cnn has not independently obtained or heard the recordings in full, but they come after recent an ethics concerns involving the court, including controversial flags flown at homes of justice alito, flags at the justice said, were put up by his wife martha-ann alito, also heard on the audio where she addressed the flag controversy head-on you know what i want i want sacred heart of jesus glad because i had to look across the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. exactly. and he s like please don t put up a flag. i said i won t do it because i m deferring to you. but when you are free of this nonsense, i m putting it up and i m going to send them a message every day, maybe every week. i ll be changing the flags. windsor also secretly recorded chief justice john roberts, who rebuffed her when she made a case for a more christian society we live in a christian nation and they are supreme court. so be guided know that we live in a christian nation. i know a lot of jewish and muslim hello, friends who would say maybe not. and it s not our job to do that job, the decide cases, especially and so far no comment on these secret recordings from the supreme court or from the job justices are from justice alito s wife. now the supreme court historical society, they hosted this dinner where the recordings were made. this is a yearly event and it s held inside in the court building. were members of the society are allowed to buy tickets for themselves. and one guest. and then of course, the gathering provides members this rare access to the justices as we saw in these secret recordings, wolf, it ll be interesting to see if any of their rules change after this secret recording. yes, it will. let s see if that happens. jessica schneider. thank you very much. i want to discuss this with our cnn legal analyst, steve vladeck. he s a professor at the university texas school of law. steve, do you see these comments from justice alito specifically as inappropriate? and is it reasonable to question his impartiality wolfe, i think what i m struck by in those recordings is the contrast between justice alito who, you know, for better, for worse, took the bait and who had no problem expressing views on subjects that you probably shouldn t have versus what we heard from chief justice roberts, which is basically what they teach in judge school, ought to be the answer when judges are asked to weigh in on contemporary political debates so i think justice alito is remarks are probably right up, if not over the line, wolf, the problem is putting them in context where this is not a one-off, where we re seeing so many examples of justice alito saying things like this in public suggested that he has very strong political views now he s having a hard time checking those at the door. well, if i think it s the aggregation of all of these public statements by justice alito. that s really the source of the cause for concern. because you know steve, this is the second controversy involving a martha-ann alito ginni thomas, also has faced questions about her political activities. so how does that impact perceptions of the us supreme court? yeah. i mean, i think there s no question that it has some bearing on public perception of the court. i mean, we really ought not to be judged by the actions of our spouses that certainly my wife s position about me but i do think it s worth stressing that the real question here is not can justice x participate in case why? the real question is, are the justices behaving in a way that is enhanced in public faith in the integrity of the court as an institution or not. and so for as much as justice alito has tried to suggest that the entire flag controversy are basically his wife s fault. i think his responses have not suggested that he is especially concerned about the message that the flag sent. his responses at the supreme court historical society suggest that he s not particularly concerned about being publicly associated with deeply, intensely divisive political comments and so wolfe, i think again, the question is whether if you look at this as a whole, there s reason to worry, not about individual justices in individual cases, but about whether there are justices on the supreme court who really do cede part of their job as picking a side and who are caring about when winning versus what we heard from chief justice this is robert, which is their job is to basically toe the line politically and decide the cases before them. we don t expect the justices to be saints, but we do expect them to at least appear publicly as if they are completely uninvestigated. and i think that s the concern that all of this behavior by justice alito by justice thomas, by their spouses is really brings us back to steve vladeck. thanks for your legal analysis. appreciate it very much. coming up newly on earth messages from the leader of hamas reportedly showing my, he thinks deaths of palestinians will help the terror groups war with israel will have a live report from the region just ahead june 19th, cnn celebrate juneteenth with special performances by john legend how do you lewbel, smokey robinson. we still have a lot of work to do. june celebrating freedom and legacy. wednesday, june 19 at ten on cnn. kate made progress with her mental health, but her medication caused unintentional movements in her 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prime minister benjamin netanyahu reaffirmed his commitment to the current deal on the table that was detailed in speech 11 days ago by president biden the pressure now increasingly on one man alone who started this war and could end it. yahya sinwar, the military leader of hamas. sinwar helped mastermind the horrific october 7 attacks and is suspected be hiding out in the tunnels under gaza exactly where is unknown our frehse reports out today from the wall street journal details messages between sinwar and hamas officials participating in the ceasefire talks in doha. the exchanges show that the terrorist leader thinks he may have the upper hand in the current negotiations. quote, we have the israelis, right where we want them. sinwar allegedly said in recent messages, these stunning messages which cnn cannot independently verify, reveal his frame of mind as this war drags into its ninth month with the palestinian death toll climbing sinwar row quote, these are necessary sacrifices, and this is why us officials believe sinwar has had little incentive to broker a deal, not only with israel refuse to stop fighting, but the pressure we ll continue to mount on israel daily, which sinwar believes is to his benefit the israeli military responded to these messages saying, quote, hamas leaders don t care about gazans. how many times did they have to say it for themselves before the world believes them? and as blinken continues to push for a deal that could eventually end the war, he took game let s sinwar, are they looking after one guy who may be for now safe varied i don t know ten stories underground somewhere in gaza. while the people but he purports to represent continue to suffer in a crossfire of his own making or will he do what s necessary to actually move this to a better place? now the early response from israel, wolf is not setting a tone of positive momentum here according to cnn contributor barak ravid and israeli official characterize that response coming from hamas as a rejection of the hostage deal that was put on the table according to another source hamas put forth multiple proposed amendments, including a timeline for a permanent ceasefire and complete israeli fully withdrawal from gaza. of course, it making it clear that that permanent ceasefire, which israel has resisted coming to any agreement that it would lock it into a permanent ceasefire remains a sticking 0.2 farro, we ll see what the secretary of state says on this as the us has not given its evaluation yet, well critically sensitive moment right now, kylie atwood in amman, jordan for us thank you very much coming up. the us attorney general, merrick garland, response directly to house republicans as they move to hold him in contempt of congress. a key member of the house oversight committee is here. we ll discuss when we come back the cnn presidential debates, june 27th at live on cnn and streaming max, if you have chronic kidney disease, you can reduce the risk of kidney 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attorney general, merrick garland is out with a new opinion piece in the washington post defending the us justice department from republican good attacks. and it reads in part, and i m quoting using conspiracy theories, falsehoods violence, and threats of violence to effect political outcomes is not normal. the short-term political benefits of those tactics will never make up for the long-term cost to our country. close quote. let s discuss this in more democratic congressman ro khanna of california. contrary, thanks for joining us. the attorney general s your heard us taking a rare step to publicly defend the us justice department, but does that potentially approach does that approach come with some risks i think guesses growling attorney general garland is a patriot i mean, he was a judge. he s devoted his life to public service. he started out at the justice department. he s standing up for the civil servants. most of the people at the justice department are not political appointees. and he s saying, let s administer the rule of law fairly. don t attack them on another issue of hunter biden s felony gun conviction today, you sit on the house oversight committee shortly after the verdict, your committee chairman james comer, said, and i m quoting him now until the department of justice investigates, everyone involved in the bidens corrupt influence, peddling schemes. it will be clear department carpenter officials continue to cover for the big guy, joe biden. how do you respond to the committee chairman it said that he s politicizing this look, the verdict is very sad. under biden faced addiction, he overcame addiction and the president has said that he respects the process, but this had nothing to do. with what comer is investigation was about that covered no wrongdoing. and i think most americans will say, we know someone who suffered addiction. we understand that and it s just a sad situation. you think hunter biden s conviction, congressman, will have any political impact on the president no. other than showing the american people that a, he follows the rule of law. you haven t heard him criticized the judge. you haven t heard him criticize the jury and be his loving father, and that he really cares respects then myers, a son who s overcome addiction, went through incredible grief at the loss of his brother and he s a decent father. let me quickly turned while i have you congressmen to the israel-hamas war the us back ceasefire plan appears to be in turmoil right now, is mediators are parsing through hamas is response and push for prime minister netanyahu to publicly sign-on what we re leverage does the us have to get each side closer to accepting a deal? well, the united states i think has laid out a very reasonable pragmatic position on a permanent ceasefire, one that i wholeheartedly support. i hope hamas, accepts it even if sin, sinwar is an accepting and maybe the other hamas leadership will accept it. it s going to save pelosi allies and i hope netanyahu accepts it because it is the only way to get the hostages out. and it s the only way to start to bring peace in that region and have new governance and palestine with the saudis, uae, jordan, and egypt. the president has been right and putting this fall forward and i hope secretary blinken will prevail on both hamas and israel we shall see congressman ro khanna. thank you so much for joining us and we ll be right back. alder james is cold, calculating, cynical, and needs the money not only was the cia compromise, he also was compromised, secrets and spies. a nuclear games sunday at ten on cnn. you give, and you give. now you get with straight talk wireless, you get unlimited data and you get to choose who gets on your family plans starting at just $25 a line, doesn t have to be family more leinz more savings switch to straight talk for plants starting as low as $25 a line kinda riva support your brain health. mary janet, hey edey know, fraser, franck, 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marc board in washington and this is cnn newly revealed comments by donald trump are thrusting pop star taylor swift back into the political spotlight and raising some eyebrows about his focus on her appearance, seen as brian thomas on the story for us, brian, the former president seems to be a fan of taylor swift, but not necessary clearly, over politics, right? well, the foreign president says he believes taylor swift is liberal and that she probably doesn t like him. aside from that, he s a few sieve in his praise of the pop star, especially her physical appearance she s captured the heart of kansas city chiefs star tight end travis kelce, and the attention of the former president of the united states in november interview for an upcoming book, excerpts of which are published in variety. donald trump was asked his thoughts about pop superstar taylor swift trump gushed saying quote, i think she s beautiful, very beautiful. i find her very beautiful trump then digressed saying, i think she s liberal. she probably doesn t like trump, but then he went back to talking about swift s appearance, quote, i think she s very beautiful, actually unusually beautiful. these are very donald trump quo, you know, he obviously he doesn t know much about taylor swift. so it s easy for him just to turn and look at her looks and comment on what she looks like one democratic strategist says, this could be a case of trump trying to get on the good side of the wildly popular singer. i think that he doesn t want to accept this 50s. i think we all know what happens when that when we awake a giant of the swifties, this comes as many in the political sphere are wondering, will swift endorsed joe biden as she did in 2024 years, analysts say swift was reluctant to get into polish her dad was really scared for her to step into the political arena because we know that comes with a lot of backlash no matter which sayyed your on in 2018, swift finally jumped in endorsing to democratic congressional candidates in tennessee, where she owns property hoping that i know is right. and you hey guys i need to be on the right side of history in a netflix documentary about her swift is captured in an argument with her father about getting involved in politics. she was critical of republican marsha blackburn, who ended up winning that senate race in tennessee she votes against against fair pay for women. she votes against the re-authorization of the violence against women act, which is just basically protecting us for domestic abuse. using stocking stocking, political analysts say both trump and biden need to cultivate the taylor swift voting demographic. this is one of the more popular entertainers musicians, and the world right now and it comes at a time where both candidates are also fighting for that younger vote for the younger generation some trump s supporters may already be skeptical of taylor swift and her politics in january pro-trump broadcasters and politicians put out conspiracy theories implying that the nfl had rig games and favor of the kansas city chiefs to promote swift and travis kelce and give them a platform to endorse president biden, none of which, of course, was even remotely close to being true wealth. how instrumental has taylor swift been in getting out the vote? this is why the biden and trump campaigns both want her on their side, wolf last year in september, she put out a message on instagram asking young people to register to vote according to tracking agencies. as a result of that in just one day, about 35,000 people registered to vote. that s how much sway she has especially among younger voters, turn biden both desperate for that demographic. vy
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it s a side show, we have this democrat-picked u.s. attorney in delaware, allen weisselberg david weiss who tried to have a sweetheart plea deal. this judge called them out on that and we have gun charges that don t tie to joe biden, only to hunter biden. these are serious charges, hunter biden, 97% of people convicted of this gun charge go to prison for many years. we ll see what happens to hunter biden. laura: the case likely never would have been brought or exposed, not been for irs whistleblowers and they were trashed by the regime media. yeah, they absolutely were. before they came back and forward, before we sent the letter to congress indicating shapley intended to go forward, they were going to let it die and do nothing. when gary shapley came forward, you see leslie wolf reached out to hunter biden s team for a plea deal. doj and i.r.s. proved massive charges against hunter biden and decided to let them drop one by one. laura: given what we knew and what had come to light, it is curious they did not decide to plead this out. given utter disgrace reigning down on the biden family because of everything that has come out as a result of this, were they used to getting away with stuff or thought he could do no wrong or what? they flew jill biden back and forth from europe to delaware, i think as show of political force and it seems this delaware jury surprisingly did not go with the power play of the bidens and followed the facts and law here. laura: one thing in today s coverage of this is how the media quickly shifted to white w washing the concern about what has bveen done to president trup in state and federal court and isn t this great that the biden family is huddled up together supporting each other. comms director kate bedingfield said this. the biden family is close, close knit, they lean on each other. i worked for joe biden for eight years, i sat in the oval office when a member of the office would call him and he would step out to take a call from his family. he puts family first. this is very hard. laura: they put family first with money, as well. they had family tragedy, drug addiction is a charge thing. it has been hard for the people who tried to come up against the bidens, including the whistleblowers you represented and no one cared about them. hunter biden is suing i.r.s. ident identifying gary shapley and zie ziegler, the subject of the suit and we had to stop doj from taking a dive in this case. that is ome happening because hunter biden is bringing this suit and making outlandish accusations. laura: people call tip of the iceberg, red herring. mike calls it a side show. we ll see what happens in the sentencing. if what we saw last nights at the white house, it should be this, joe biden is not the one making major decisions. pre-k our freedom can never be secured. laura: we checked white house transcript for the transulation, he tried to say she knew as long as history was denied, our freedom can never be secured. he tried to talk about our founding. black soldiers were linked in line of patriots, ricked thrisk their lives american soil is. quality and freedom. laura: then he tried to clap. to the people on this side, clap your hands. people right here, clap your hands. people up top, clap your hands. laura: the dancing was better, right? laura: maybe you could argue it was late, he was tired, i don t think that is today. be pro-abolishing the aft. laura: i think he meant the atf. byron donalds joins us now. isn t a vote for biden, this is a vote for president harris? laura, it absolutely is, because we know it is just not conceivable that joe biden would last another four years. this is not a good situation. people have been having fun with it and laughing about it on social media. it is quite funny. it is sad when you know he is the person that has to engage with world leaders and making so many decisions with respect to what the federal agencies are doing. these decisionings are being made by people never empowered to be the president of the united states. voting for him in this election means giving power to somebody else, that is not what the american people should be doing and look at policy and realize if he was making decisions, they are god-awful decisions that have made our people less safe. laura: last night biden seemed to refer to republicans at one point, watch. they are all ghosts in new garments trying to take us back. they are taking away your freedoms, making it harder for black people to vote, attacking, diversity, equity and inclusion. laura: congressknow ma, using ghost, i don t know if a cute staffer was making an illusion to the kkkor what, did it land? no, it is incredibly sad. you have a president and white house and campaign team going to try to sew division and fear and sew that everybody else is tearing down this country when they are the ones that spied on the more than people. they leave our borders wide open. they have destroyed purchasing power of hard working men and women of america and seniors in america. people we should be afraid of are joe biden and campaign. we need a change this november, change is coming in the form of donald trump. laura: i wasn t going to mention this, this is important to play this and see how desperate department to put someone like you down because you disagree with them. this is congresswoman crocket. if we put people in office, skin folk, not our kin folk, like byron donalds, do you not understand history or because you married a white woman and you think it white wash you. they give him talking points and yes, master, i got it. laura: they said the same thing about condoleeza rice a and congressman, your response? jasmine sits on committee with me, she could have came and talked to me any time she wants to. nobody tells me what to say, everybody says that, i say what i think and speak my mind. policies of her party have been damaging toern ms, been damaging to black americans and americans have a choice, do they learn to tropes and fearmongering and gaslighting of department or are they going to look at policies, what matters in their pocketbook and support republicans this november? that simple. laura: thanks so much tonight. coming up next, merrick garland s doj has become its own theme in the babylon bee, i ll explain the hypocrisy. but don t kcritical race th theoryicize them. my angle is next. laura: garland s tragic comedy, the focus of tonight s angle. all right, just when we thought comedy was dead, someone from biden s cabinet publishes an oped. merrick garland other than waed everyone to stop being so mean, stop picking on the doj. we ve seen escalation of attacks, far beyond criticism and oversight, they are base lsz, personal and dangerous to defund depend investigation, special counsel prosecution of the former president. to quote john mcrenrow, you cannot be serious, the man prosecuting the gop front-runner and warn parents who stand up at school board meetings and warning about traditional athlicks, that guy is upset about criticism? check your constitution, sir, it is congress job to decide how to spend the money allocated to each department, not up to you and your activists. garland knows this, he just does not care and does not care about the rule regarding audio recordings about classified documents found in his garage. last week garland tried to claim it was an attack on the doj. these attacks have not and will not influence our decision-making. i will not be intimidated and the justice department will not be intimidated and we will not back down from defending democracy. laura: defending democracy? that is what you call stonewalling legitimate oversight? that man unleashed federal prosecutors and agents, spent taxpayer money to track and intimidate and jail january 6 on . the fact he wrote this op ed is only more evidence of the political nature of everything they do over there. because not only is garland wrong about the law, he fails to address republicans in congress who have cataloged myriad ways he has used doj for political retribution and he calls the attacks false claims in this mes made by those trying to influence the election. that is what he argues. e able to campaign freely without doj interference in a presidential election year that s trying to influence the outcome of an election? that s their argument? who wrote this piece? you see, all we want is for people to be able to vote for the candidate of their choosing. but to garland, and his political hit squad, a trump victory would, itself. be a threat to democracy. wrap your mind around that. we trust the people. but they don t. which is why they want a judge to decide it all and the same reason why they want as many illegals to rush in as possible to eventually vote in a far left super majority. garland s professed concern for protecting institutions and democracy is also belied by the glaring fact that at this very moment, his party is launching a 24/7 campaign to discredit the supreme court. pro-biden activists are secretly tape recording justices in an attempt to delegitimize future court decisions. news flash, by the way, justice alito believes in god, like totally. like, people in this country who believe in god, keep fighting for that to return our country to a place of godliness. well, i agree with you. i agree with you. i support your ruling on dobbs. i support, like, i m very pro-life, but, like, you know, i don t know how we bridge that gap, you know, like how do we get people. i wish i knew. i wish i knew. i don t know. it s not i don t think it s something we can do. we have a very defined role. yes. we need to do what we are supposed to do. laura: aside from the fact that there is nothing remotely problematic about what alito said remember he said a defined role we play and that s all we can do. does merrick garland support now the secret recordings of justices? did people who want to pearl clutch about this, you know, please tell me how we re going to get answers when the supreme court has been shrouded in secrecy and really just refusing any degree of accountability whatsoever, particularly in the face of, you know, what are very like extraordinarily serious ethic breaches. are we going to continue our tradition of secular democracy or led to christian theocracy? laura: christian theocracy. they are trotting that out again. in god we trust. christian theocracy. what a vile woman. or just a stupid woman. again, they don t care. the left is going to do anything they can to prop up a man fossilizing before our very eyes. they are going to turn a blind eye as justices are harassed at their homes, only stepping in by the way when a suspect literally planned to kill justice kavanaugh. and they will do nothing as leftist assault law enforcement or deface war memorials, right across from the white house. but they will prosecute three people in connection with skid marks on a pride flag. check out the difference between the two vandalized areas. happened on different coasts but it sends the same message. all fair minded people know what is going on here. the double standard, the irony, the hypocrisy is lost on biden s foot soldiers wh rip into the supreme court. only to claim republicans don t respect the rule of law. what size chip is on the shoulder of samuel alito no. grace one of nine human beings sitting for life on the supreme court. there is bitterness, anger and a plan for delayed revenge. these attacks have an overwhelming liquor retrospective and dangerous effect on the very foundations of pillars of democracy. and again, the rule of law is under attack. rachel s words it needs to be protected. so, it was heartening, seems like maybe he was listening when attorney general merrick garland submitted to the the washington post today an op-ed that served as something of a public warning. laura: protect the rule of law by taping supreme court justices and trying to delegitimize that institution. nice try. you just cannot make this up. do they even realize what they re saying? given how much time these people have spent contorting and twisting the law and the facts, i suggest they just quit their day jobs and maybe join circle da soleil or something. that s the angling. joining me now chris landau former law clerk to justices thomas and scalia and former ambassador to mexico. chris let s talk about the attack on the supreme court at the same time merrick garland is saying stop being mean to me and drying to delegitimize this institution of justice. welling laura, it s incredible how he is trying to blur the lines between legitimate criticism of the department of justice and, you know, threats and unacceptable forms of coercion. is he trying to make it seem like the department of justice is immune and imperspective yus to criticism. i mean, this is the most politicized department of justice in the united states history. i mean, this is the first time in history the department of justice is indicting the president s primary political opponent. the double standard has never been more brazen between whom they are prosecuting and what they re prosecuting for and what they re not prosecuting. and the fact that they are not even attempting, not even putting a fig leaf in an attempt to enforce fundamental laws like our border laws. we have never seen anything like this before in american history. for him to say it s beyond the pale to criticize the department of justice is astonishing. laura: because hunter is convicted on an obvious gun charge and three different charges, obvious open and shut case, everything that we say about what they re doing to trump is invalid. it s all good now. we re all good. that s kind of what they are doing, chris. again, the crazy thing about hunter is what about all the stuff that isn t charged here? i mean, the gun is only you knows, the tip of an iceberg of allegations. much more serious crimes and crimes that directly implicate potential crimes that directly implicate the president. which the gun crime, obviously does not. laura: right. easy, easy. easy piecey. chris, i want to move on to what the supreme court justices are facing now from the left. again, the same people who say the republicans are attacking fundamental norms and institutions, have no problem activists going on and taping supreme court justices. i don t think anything alito said was anything remotely problematic. your reaction tonight? totally agree. imagine what at the these people are doing. tasked justice leaders very defined task of interpreting and applying the law this activist says they need political accountability as if they are politicians. that s the whole point. they are judges. they read the laws and interpret them. but, you know, again, this person clearly, in your tape, was asking questions under false pretenses, trying to egg on the justice. and he had a very, i think, appropriate response? but basically, you know, the gloves are off for these people. no blow is too low. and then they claim that everything else is a danger to democracy. i mean, i think it s a danger to democracy when they re failing to enforce the law and they are brazenly, you know, one sided in their application of the law. and what they re trying to imprison the president s chief political rival. how is that not a danger to democracy, laura? laura: no, it s a danger to democracy when trump wins. chris, that s the irony of all of this. chris, always great to see you. democratic process. laura: that s correct. that s the threat to democracy. laura: chris, thank you so much. all right. who is coming across our border now? you will not believe this. plus, this woman is accused of stabbing a 3-year-old to death. and she is smiling. that s next. have you ever thought of getting a walk-in tub for you or someone you love? now is a great time to take a look at getting a safe step walk-in tub. with safe step s standard heated seat and new fast fill faucet, you can enjoy a nice warm bath up to 20% faster! and the convenient touch pad control is right at your fingertips. each tub comes standard with a dual hydrotherapy system. the ten water jets can help increase mobility, relieve pain, boost energy, and improve sleep. while the microsoothe advanced air therapy system oxygenates and softens skin. safe step walk-in tubs are built to maximize safety. so you can stay in your home and enjoy the comforts of bathing again. so call now for more information and a free no obligation consultation. laura: evil personified. this woman, smirking in court, after being seen on camera and accused of one of the worst crimes imaginable. fox s bill melugin has details. bill. bill: this story makes your blood boil. the woman accused of butchering a three-year-old boy can be smirking in court. she was smiling and giggling as she had counts read. the defendant did knowingly cause serious physical harm. bill: one week after ellis allegedly stabbed the child to death and wounded his 38-year-old mom outside a store in cleveland. the little boy in court could be seen in court while the woman smirked in front of them. your honor, one week ago she took everything from us. it is horrendous, i wish no bail period or extend to the max that you can at the very least. do whatever you can to keep this monster behind bars. bill: authorities describe this attack as a random act of violence. ellis pleaded not guilty to murder and attempted murder. the judge gave ellis $5 million bond and ordered she remain in custody. she could face the death penalty if convicted. back to you. laura: thank you. eight men with icu ties were just arrested after crossing the border illegally. these illegals received full vetting after crossing and no incri incriminating information was tabbed at the time. days, joining me now chad wolf former actinacting dhs secretary, under secretary under president trump. chad, we don t know when these illegals crossed. but we do know that the way this is kind of being reported it s like everybody giving themselves a pat on the back for the sting operation, okay. i guess. i guess. but, they should never have been allowed in this country in the first place. well, that s exactly right. it s this type of instance that certainly kept me up at night as acting secretary when we had just a fraction of individuals trying to enter this country illegally. so i can only imagine what it is doing or should be doing to president biden, secretary mayorkas and others. but, look, our vetting, i think what this tells you is that our vetting is only as good as the information that we get from countries. and the best information we get are for our allies so country like tajikistan and others we don t get very good vetting so we have a difficult time understanding who these individuals are that are coming into the country. but that s okay. our immigration law accounts for this. and it says actually to detain individuals who are coming into this country and instead of doing this massive catch and then release individuals into the interior of the united states which the biden administration has done. and so whether it s afghan nationals that they papa roll in or these type of individuals this idea we will check them after the fact they get here is the exact wrong approach. laura: this entire thing is an utter scandal doesn t even describe it, okay? this is the undermining of our sovereignty and now they are endangering forget all the economic woes this brings and the cultural problems. the national security damage that this is potentially doing to the country, and, you know, you can t vet. forgetting vetting. we are done. full up. we have 12 million people here illegally. we have no idea who most of these people are there is no vetting. like vetting the afghan refugees. we are not vetting any refugees, bringing them all in and hoping for the best. they cannot continue to happen in this country. no, it can t. again, these are the individuals that we actually apprehended. these are folks that border patrol saw. how many are there, chad? how many do you think. how many potential terrorists do you think if had you to guest. how many tajikistan folks are in that 2 million got away. we have no idea the department has no idea because of their strategic along that border is a complete and utter failure. laura: i don t even like to describe it as failure guy the way. i realize i called you under former, undersecretary, sorry, chad. there are great undersecretaries out there but you were the acting secretary. again, guy back to this idea of vetting. they are not vetting anybody. so now biden says well, these people from these six countries can t come in. russia, kyrgyzstan, tajikistan, so they knew this was coming, right? they knew this news was coming. so that news came out over the weekend. that s interesting timing, don t you think? now we have a list of six whopping countries that you can t come in from? yeah. i mean they know the countries of concern. they know countries that are not sharing information. so you have no idea, even if you encounter foreign nationals from those countries, you can t vet them because they are not sharing information. we have nothing to base an assessment on. and so they know that. they have known that for some time and the fact that they continue to exempt these individuals and allow folks to come into the country, you are not returning them. this is why you need a different border strategy. you need to prevent people from coming in. those that do come in, you need to both vet them but also detain them during their immigration court proceedings. and none of that is occurring today. laura: immediate turnback. go back to trump policy. can t do it. can t vet. our government couldn t get out of afghanistan. okay? 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[cheering] laura: the wall street journal called the parliament election results blow to french and german. stunning defeat of macron and macron left with no choice. i m dissolving the national assembly this evening. laura: that sent parties scrambling. whatever happens, the anti-macron sentiment is real. are there similarities to our own upcoming election? more are rejected expensive climate regulation and obscenely high cost of living. douglas murray, new york post columnist and fox news contributor. douglas, the bbc, other, you no he, regime media types describe this as disturbing, extreme, or far right victories. what are they not getting here? well, several things. one is that media like the bbc have spent years calling all of these parties that have won in the most recent elections eu far right. in fact, they tend to call absolutely everybody slightly to the right of the most green leftist party far right. and now, i mean, the term is losing all meaning across the continent. the second thing is these media keep on saying things like the far right is on the march across europe. there s a boring predictability about that. what you have just shown your viewers, of course is the far left actually marching in europe, the far left this evening actually marching and demonstrating and rioting in the center of paris. i wouldn t expect to see that covered in any of the media in the coming days. laura: only ones marching and violent are the leftist who reject the elections. now, douglas, brexit back in 2015 i remember staying up all night watching those election results. a lot of people think that trump victory in 2016. will this pro-populist, pro-nationalist trend in the eu mean the same, perhaps, in 2024? it s very interesting question. i think so. and this is why. the main driver of the popular resentment across europe at the moment, that was shown in these election rules, is incredible concern by the population not far rightest, not hard rightest or anything else. but the majority populations. to what they see correctly as just unstopping illegal and legal immigration into the continent. the electorate have for years been trying to sound the alarm at the ballot box, the mainstream parties. and the mainstream parties have just not listened. you know, we have security concerns in a city like paris, which is about to host the olympics. islamist terrorist cell was just found the other day trying to create a spectacular terrorist event. are the french voters hard right or far right? no, they just don t like being blown up. you know, it s a kind of basic sentiment. and because macron and others have failed to answer this to answer your question about america. i think we will see something very similar. we know what the situation is on the southern border of this country. we know what the biden administration has failed to do. if the incumbent government does not wrestle with mass illegal population shifts, then people will obviously vote for somebody else. n country that somebody else is very clear. in europe, it s becoming clearer by the day. douglas, brilliant analysis of the situation. thank you so much. all right. biden caught in a trans, and what about pickleball? can that save his campaign? yeah, jimmy failla is on it and that s nex i was scared when i was told age related macular degeneration could jeopardize my vision. it was hard, but taking preservision was easy. preservision has the exact clinically proven areds 2 formula recommended by the nei. i m taking control like millions of others. time for wtf. joining me now, jimmy fail a laura: time for wtf, what the failla, joining us is jimmy failla. you can t make it up. a few hours after hunter s conviction for breaking gun laws, president biden spoke about how important our nation s gun laws are. watch. president biden: i want to thank you, instead of trying to stop our ban they are working like hell to stop it. if they want to think to take on government if we get out of line, they are talking again about, they need f-15s, they don t need a rifle. laura: jimmy. jimmy: i think what he was trying to say is gavin newsom 2024. this guy is finished. okay. laura, we re not supposed to have the united states president speaking with subtitles below the screen, that is where we are now. a guy in office makes the sign language interpreter shrug. he makes up words, not good. laura: the biden team, they are getting pretty desperate, in effort to sway older voters, they are planning a pickleball tournament in virginia, pancake breakfast, bingo in arizona and a phone bank with second gentgaming in new hampshire. that is exciting after seeing him dance. jimmy: who does joe consider older? i ve seen younger faces on money. idea he thinks anyone is older than him scares me. they are in a desperate spot, they tried buying younger voters, nobody wants anything to do with this. laura: are you a pickleball player? do you pickleball with the best of them? jimmy: if i can t bet on it, i don t play it or watch it. until they start putting lines on pickel elball, this is a sport for out of shape people. laura: summon forgot to push biden s on button, pull the shirt up, there is an on button. watch. [ ] jimmy: yeah. you know what he looked like, he looks like an amish guy that walked into best buy. so overwhelmed, does not know what is happening around him. two doors down from a guy in a dress, i don t know what we re looking at. if biden does not run for president, he can be in frozen straight glitz. laura: the first gentleman, he s doing there has to be moratorium on anyone who can t dance, dancing and not that kamala was a good darner, she tried a little bit. it is not good to be around people who are good dancers and you are rocking in an awkward. jimmy: doug should have froze. this whole administration america s got issues, whole video, just look at it. laura: i knew we would get in trouble with this. jimmy will be in new jersey next weekend, follow me on social media. i have rose growing trouble. jesse next. todd: a packed city bus hijacked by a convicted felon with a gun leading to one of the wildest police chases caught on camera. we ll show you the pursuit and takedown that brough
chambers hopes this is one step toward politicians actively campaigning for voters behind bars in clark county. you have potential victory is lying in those sales at least for now. i want to i guess is it makes a huge difference night, i step toward voters like elliot carver hall, having their voices heard it felt a little bit of empowerment, a little, just a little bit, a little tiny bit sara marie joins us now from las vegas. so this is the first time these voting booths had been used. how did the process go? it went pretty smoothly, although there were voters who showed up to vote and found out they were actually registered in a different county or in some cases, in a different state which is indication of the education gap that still exist for those who are behind bars. there were dozens of folks who wanted to vote from the jail today and we expect that that s cut number is going to be even larger when we get to the general election in november. this was sort of a dry run for the big event coming up, anderson be interesting to do polling and see if they re running for sara marie. thanks. the news continues right here on cnn outfront. next, breaking news, president biden, now it is son side behind closed doors after you re biden was found guilty today. and if federal gun case, tonight, a member of the jury who helped convict biden speaks out. you ll hear plus more breaking news this our federal agents arresting eight people from tajikistan with two suspected ties. i m sorry to isis after they entered the us through the southern border, tonight, we re going to take you to one of the dead please. stretches of that border. and martha and alitos secretly recorded threatening to put up more flags to counter the quote pride flag. that s going up nearby. her neighbor, who s at the center of the controversy over alitos flags is outfront tonight. let s go out front and good evening. i m marion burnett outfront tonight. the breaking news, president biden rushing to his sons, sayyed tonight. hunter biden greeting his father on the tarmac of the delaware air national guard base just hours after hunter biden was found guilty on all counts of lying about being addicted to drugs when he bought a gun today s verdict historic hunter biden is now the first child, sitting president to be convicted of a crime. and the first family is now grappling with the fallout of the jury s verdict. a verdict that came incredibly quickly, just three hours so fast. in fact, it caught almost everyone off guard. firstly, jill biden, who was attended the trial almost every day. been commuting back and forth from france was unable to get into the courtroom and time to hear the verdict yourself. and according to people who were there inside that room, hunter biden stared straight ahead as the verdict was read, stone-faced, showing little emotion. afterwards, though he could be seen hugging family members a close biden family friend, fran person who was with the bidens today gives us this statement tonight out front says there was nothing but love in that room with hunter after the verdict. abbe lowell and his team put up the best defense he could ask for hunter was incredibly strong and gracious. look at how good hunter looks today. sober, going on for years. it is remarkable how far he s come and he will be a powerful force story of redemption and hope for attics and their families that love conquers all. now, hunter biden could face up to 25 years in prison and a fine of up to $750,000 in a moment, we re going to hear from one of the jurors about the discussions that took place inside that jury room and those few hours of debating as the 12 men and women deliberated it really is incredible when you take a step back here, you ve got the president s done, just found guilty, criminally, less than two weeks after former president trump was found guilty and is now a convicted felon both are now awaiting sentencing. and yet the reactions from biden and trump could not be more different just hours after his son was found guilty, president biden spoke to the nation s largest gun control groups. so he s actually i had a gun control group. he did not mention his sons conviction. he did not talk about a corrupt judge or rigged trial or which time. instead, he released this statement separate from his speech. i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal jill and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. priscilla alvarez is out front. she is live in wilmington, delaware and evan perez is outside the courthouse. i want to start with you, though, priscilla, because i know you ve got some new reporting on this last-minute trip by president biden to delaware. so what is the biden family doing right now? how did this all come together as far as your learning era and the president and his family are huddling behind closed doors here in their residents wilmington tonight after the president rights only hours ago and was greeted by his son, hunter on the tarmac. now, this was a last-minute trip with sources telling cnn that it was floated late monday night, but came together after the verdict was reached and finalize with the president arriving here again, only a couple well hours ago. but of course this is a family that has often come together over the course of the trial. the first lady in the courtroom, multiple times as these legal proceedings were underway and even coming back from france briefly to attend the trial. and that really underscores the delicate and difficult balance that this president has had to strike with his foreign travel in recent days. and also as these deeply painful family moments, we re planning out in this trial and publicly now, the president did release the statement earlier today, and it was a statement that was frayed seen through the lens of a father, not so much a president where he talks about the resiliency of his son, but also said that he would accept the outcome of the case of the president has previously firm that he would not pardon his son. now, also, hearing wilmington is the biden campaign headquarters and sources telling us that as far as tonight, it is business as usual usual for this very sensitive and delicate issue for the biden family. all right. priscilla, thank you very much. in wilmington. and i d want to go to evan perez now because he s been in the courtroom throughout this trial every day you ve watched the jurors you ve watched the biden family there and i know you just spoke to one of those jurors, evan, what did he tell you well, erin this is? juror number ten. he s man in his stuff, these terms his from southern the southern part of delaware. and one of the things that we heard from the defense team as we were going through this trial was they believed that politics had a role in why hunter biden was even facing these charges. he said the defense team believe that the us attorney who was appointed by donald trump was essentially bullied into going after hunter because of criticism from house republicans and republicans in general. i asked the juror number ten, who did not want to be to show his face on television, whether their politics played any role in these deliberations. listen to what he had to say if anybody, was in that courtroom or in the jury room, they would know it was not motivated by politics politics played no part whatsoever in my mind no. i can t speak for the other jurors but nothing was nothing was ever said about this election year that was never brought up and aaron, we also he also told me that that the gun form that hunter biden signed back in october of 2018 when he bought the firearm that was the crucial piece of evidence in his mind and he believe that hunter biden lied when he signed it, and none of the other evidence from the from the from the defense to try to explain it away, really worked on the part of the jury one of the things that may come up by the defense team, they do they are weighing an appeal of this of this verdict is the fact that jurors never got to see a second oppression at that form, because the judge did not allow it. and so i asked the juror whether he believed that that would have made a difference. he said it would not have aaron sheep all right. i evan, thank you very much. outside that courthouse and having a chance to speak to turn number ten, which was obviously so fast thing is we d we d heard about the jury and their reactions and who they are all right. i m a panel with me now, katie rogers, i want to start with you because you have covered the biden family closely for a long time at the new york times and now we re seeing the president arrive in delaware, greeting his son. what are your sources telling you about how this has impacted president biden personally? well, i think everyone who has spoken to me who is close to the president and close to the bidens. they always really reiterate to me how much the president believes in his sons ability to stay sober. he s very proud on that level of his son and they always stressed to me that, yes, he is worried about the legal problems ahead for hunter biden, but he believes in his son s ability to continue his recovery. now, that said, the people close to him say that this is the thing that more than anything else he wakes up. if he s briefed by aids on gaza, the next immediate get thing is about his son or he is constantly in contact with his son. they speak at least once a day. so this is something that is going to add more weight to the president s mindset. he s already been quite worried about these legal problems, never having an end for his son. and this just adds to that, right? it didn t certainly at a crucial time in this case campaign. congressman buck, i wanted to play something else for you that juror number ten shared with evan perez about hunter biden. let me play it i did have empathy for him, for his addiction i don t wish that on anybody and especially correct. okay. let me let was the has to be a terrible dickson it comes from i think just significant that that juror says that after they unanimously convicted him on all counts. right. but still able to have that human empathy and obviously a lot of americans can relate to that who are dealing with this themselves or with others and their families, some sort sort of addiction the president though is to deal with the political side of this. do you think that he has managed this? appropriately as a father and as a president congressman yeah, i do. i think it s very difficult. you look at your son having an addiction like bad. the federal government, the congress obviously passed this law because folks who are addicted to drugs and buy guns are more likely to commit crimes. so certainly not a hunter biden category necessarily, but i think the joe biden president biden has done a great job of trying to stay above the fray and recognizing that his department of justice was a very difficult position attorney general merrick garland appointed a special counsel s so that that council would be independent and render independent judgment. and i think that people look at this case and recognize that it was done in an independent and fair way the idea that there may have been other crimes are really irrelevant. this this defendant totter biden, got a fair trial, a quick jury verdict, and i think that joe biden made the right statements after the verdict ryan, the thing is this this is not done for hunter biden or for joe biden, the whole family, right? he can still appeal just even on this case, i m i m talking separately from the tax case, which is very serious. but on this case alone, is this going to drag out for the remainder of election between sentencing appeals and all kinds of this process 100% because he s going to both appeal on the grounds that certain evidence should not have been excluded from the defense. and he s going to appeal on the grounds that under the second amendment, the constitution, that this particular criminal provision should be invalid and none of that is going to be sewed up before november. in fact, we ll probably at least a year from now before any of that gets stored up, even conservatively speaking, well, even conservatively speaking. all right, so that s a long time, katie, and it s certainly shows in terms of weighing on the president all the way through the election way beyond, but through the election i mentioned how joe biden, the first lady, was not able to get there in time today because happened so quickly. she wasn t actually able to be in the courtroom for the verdict but she was there almost every day. hunter sister was there is on its uncle a lot of other family members, his daughter testified ex girlfriends wives and we ve seen support from almost all of them on hunter and he s recovery. it has been something that clearly has damaged and hurt this family for a long time. they ve struggled with it what does the conviction mean, katie, for the whole family? i mean i think that this family has dealt a hunter biden has detailed his addictions over the years in various ways, whether it s through a memoir, through a lengthy magazine profile. but for the rest of this family, it s been a really long private, painful battle as we saw, this week during and last week during the trial. sorry these members of the biden family, onetime members of the biden family in current members recounted what was essentially they had all described as a held that they were in with him and a conviction is really the first time this very private battle has been laid bare for public consumption. so it s uncomfortable for them and they have had to sit there and here the shrapnel hit them yet again of hunter biden s choices have had to sit there and listen to him in his own words through his memoir, recount his drug use is a painful time for them congressman buck, president biden was asked about whether he would pardon his son right? on this crucial point, i want to play that exchange. it was with david muir let me, ask you will you accept the jury s outcome, their verdict no matter what it is? yes. and have you ruled out a pardon for your son? yes. you have congressman buck, how do you feel about this when he s saying that to show he believes in the system and he s not going to question it with a witch-hunt to rigged and all that, right? clearly, it is his son how do you feel? does he have to take this all the way to the mat? no. pardon? no commutation of his prison sentence, which by the way, he did not he did. not commit to or or do you think it would be appropriate and not hurt belief in the system if he were to commute his son sentence i don t think president biden wouldn t do anything until after the appeals are finished. number one, and that s going to happen after the election so he s going to have much more flexibility after the election whether he wins or loses to make a decision like this. now, if he were to engage in a pardon of president trump with president trump was victims of a federal crime at the same time that he pardon his own son. i think americans would understand a father doing that but i think he made the right statement at the time and that is i m not going to show preferential treatment to a member of my own family and a quick final word, ryan, just to be clear that this would go another year, you also have a very serious yes tax evasion charge, federal charge in california, which would carry significant present time that is underway. that s right. and the justice department said that it could carry up to 17 years in jail. and what s unfortunate for hunter biden is because you didn t do a plea deal. he will now have to convictions potentially steck up against each her to us sentencing guideline. the conviction that he just got today in delaware would count against him. he will not be a first-time offender if he is convicted in california. right. which could affect sentencing. i thank you very much. ryan. katie, and congressman, i appreciate all of you very much next trump and his supporters called the doj rigged and political. so what are they saying tonight? 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biden there are those some republicans who are coming to hunter biden s defense team format is outfront this is the first time that hunter biden has faced responsibility and consequences for his actions, political spinners on the right are spinning out of control in all directions. biden s calling the conviction of hunter biden a step toward accountability and kinda dumb and saying things like hunter biden might deserve jail for something, but purchasing a gun is not it. why is this verdict so confounding for the right? first, it is about a gun or some conservative politicians and advocates opposing gun restrictions. the case against hunter biden was an invitation to attack as father. so long as this president continues to use every tool at his disposal to harass and criminalized guns gun owner there s and gun dealers, his son should be receiving the same treatment and scrutiny as all of us. let s just do a little more shooting over here but other gun enthusiasts, while not fans of the bidens, leave the law in this case is unconstitutional. as a matter of principle i do not believe the hunter biden should be convicted of that anymore. that anyway well, now should hunter biden is not talking, but he is walking in right now second, this wasn t the case. republicans wanted for years. they have talked without evidence far-reaching foreign corruption, secret payoffs, and influence peddling tied all the way to the top. so after this verdict, the trump campaign quickly issued a statement this trial has been nothing more than a distraction from the real crimes of the biden crime family. and lastly, this verse predict came just a dozen days after donald trump himself was convicted of 34 felonies, even as he appeals a course, republicans have joined him in calling the courts corrupt their case against president trump has been a witch hunt from the beginning. this was not criminal justice. the entire thing is political, but now some conservative seem to be squirming, suggesting hunter biden s conviction must be a ruse. posting timing is everything. this is the veil of fairness in the justice system. so maybe it is a measure of how twisted up the right is on how to respond to all of this. that when the trump team put out that statement after the verdict and much i made all those crazy claims about the biden family. they then send out an edited version shortly thereafter because the first version at the end so they wish hunter biden well. and then in the edited version, they had dropped the well wishes. they didn t fix the false claims. they just dropped the well wishes clearly, this has the republican right saying, what are we supposed to do on this? because there are cross purposes on so many issues, aaron. yeah. i mean, well, you know, you say it s a rigged system when your guy s guilty and then the other guy s guilty and then all of a sudden what he is supposed to say. maybe they could have foreseen that possibility. all right. tom, form. and thank you very much. i want to go now to ty cobb, a former trump white house lawyer. so tie i mean, can you believe hunter biden gets convicted on all counts by a jury in a case brought originally by a special counsel who trump initially appointed us attorney somehow, it s not fair and square to many in the gop can you believe it oh, yes, i can sort of believe anything. i mean, it s a really crazy de marjorie taylor greene is out there making the rest of us look like geniuses. what she can do on it regular basis yeah. i think it takes away from the gravity of the moment which is you know, he he wasn t added. it was a sad situation that was tragic but it wasn t political and keep in mind that he did have the opportunity to take accountability for this year ago and the plea agreement build up then they decided that they would insist on their de and courting and they got it but i think it s i think this is has to be looked at on its own merits. so i mean, this was a case the evidence says the jurors juror who was interviewed said was overwhelming and they didn t put politics into it and i just ruled on what they saw, on what they were told, just like trump s urey did. and i think both jury s got it right based on what they were told to do and the evidence that was before them. but i think it is a crazy time because you have the president today. i ve given a speech on tighter tighter gun controls. yeah. and keeping guns out of the hands of felons and people who don t don t deserve them. and his sons on trial. i think yeah, it s just it s a crazy time in america full of folic contradictions, but, yeah, but this was, this was a sad day and i think it was inappropriate result. i don t think he s going to jail for very long. my off the cuff assessment is scheduled for 1016 months as the first defender and the judge may well go below that and give him a probationary sentence. who knows? yeah. it s not going to be a punitive situation and then he does have that serious tax case involving $7.5 million in taxes. so yeah. i mean, that s that and that ll be in september and that ll be in the heart part of the heart of the election. so i think it s very hard for republicans to insist that this is somehow a ruse. well, i mean it s sort of amazing. it seems to me that if you did get a guilty verdict here, that this would be something that everyone could say. okay. well, there was it can t say that it s rigged or during goes one way or the other. and yet somehow that there are still some finding a way to say this is basically a veil of as nancy mace said, congresswoman avail of fairness, write that this is all to distract you from it s frightening in some senses, but you mentioned that a convicted felon, right? can i have a gun? and obviously, you know, donald trump and in this context, we found out today tie that he disclosed in his probation interview that he had three guns. now he acquired them legally. obviously, he is now prohibited from having any as a convicted felon were you surprised at all but to hear that donald trump own three guns not really. and i think all the people are hyperventilating on this a little bit. i mean, it s it s sort of ordinary that it would come up in this context particularly for somebody donald trump it s not carrying a gun i never saw him carry ganim, didn t know him to ever carry a gun. he s got to see as a concealed carry registration in new york, but you re right. that s what he had and i understand that, and i think he obviously has these guns and he s going to have to pony him up but that s what that s really what this process is designed to do is to get all that, all that, all those requirements out of the way before he couldn t run afoul of any other laws after the time of being sentenced up, tied before you go. also today, trump asked aileen cannon, the judge in florida, mar-a-lago, to dismiss the classified documents case. and if she didn t do that, he asked her to throw it any evidence gathered during the fbi search of mar-a-lago? which sort of confusing and confounding because that appears to be the entire case as far as most of us understand it that s actually much of the case. it s actually not quite the entire case, but it s it s most of the documents, yes. that we re included in the indictment and the worst thing that could happen to him is that she actually does it in advance of trial because that will certainly be reversed abruptly by the 11th circuit and giving them the opportunity i m for that. they re dying for given the circus that she puts on to remover. all right. we ll tie. thank you very much. as always thank you, aaron tax. and next new secret recordings tonight of justice alito s wife talking about conversations with her husband about political flag it s at their homes like, oh, please don t put up a black alito s neighbor who is at the center of the dispute with the alitos is out front but next, plus breaking news, this our federal agents arresting eight to gq nationals 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obtained the full of audio you know what i want, i want sacred heart of jesus flag because i had to look cross the lagoon at the price the flag for the next month exactly. i made a flag in my head. this is how i satisfy myself. i made a flag is white and it s yellow and orange flames around it and in the middle is the word but goniometer that gunja in italian means shane gone yet vii car g, g they re gone shame, shame, shame anyway wow, shame, shame, shame on you spelling it out like that. such vehemence about the gay pride flag. those comments were secretly recorded by a liberal activist, journalists lauren windsor, who misrepresented herself to me this is alito as a sympathetic and like-minded admire her, but she recorded these conversations and we now know what was set out in front. now, emily baden, a former neighbor of the alitos in northern virginia. she s the person justice alito says provoked his wife and to flying the inverted american flag after a verbal dispute between the two a claim emily says is false and is backed up by police reports, which showed that the dispute actually happened weeks after the flag went up. so emily, i m glad to see you again what s your reaction now you hear this audio, you hear martha and alito a voice, you know, because you had conversations with her and she s saying she s going to fly these flags spelling this out, that she s going to fly a flag very gunja, and she spells it out. every letter to say shame that she wants to fly a flag against the gay pride flag. yes an erin excuse me. thank you so much for having me again, it s great to be with you again my first reaction to hearing this audio i think was the same as most other folks, which was absolute horror if there s one thing that is the basic job description of a supreme court justice. it is to remain impartial and with the upside-down flag, with the appeal to heaven flag samuel alito has shown that he is not impartial and yeah, hearing martha and talk about that, it s interesting because i was used as a scapegoat for why she flew the other flag and we know clearly that that s not true and she says you, you obviously interacted with her and in very negative circumstances at one point, which i ll ask about in a moment, but she when you hear her tone of voice here, that she s going to fly this flag against the gay pride flag that says virgo anya in italian means shame. and she says it and then she spells it out. she hits every single letter virgo kn. yes. she says again and then she says, shame, shame on you did that tone sound like the same woman, the same tone that you d heard yes it was defiance. it was just very, very clear that she wishes shame upon the lgbtq community and yeah, i definitely recognized the tone for sure. so that secretly recorded conversation went on for about six minutes. at one point, mrs. alito said her husband asked her to stop flying flags and she said she would do it temporarily. i want and to play that part of the exchange for you, emily, here it is nazis believed that he should control the hell. do you never can tell and he s like please don t put up a flag. i can i won t do it because i m deferring to you but when you are free of this nonsense i m putting it up and i m going to send them a message every day, maybe every week the change in the flag s, there ll be all kinds i mean, look, she you talked about how she glare at you, called you a fascist. she spat on your car. i know that you have said you regretted calling her, that that vulgar epithet but when you hear this audio, is this this is consistent with the woman that you interacted with it is. and i think it s only fair for me to point out that mr. and mrs. alito are essentially strangers to me and my my interactions with them are very limited. so i can t really make any type of comment on you know, they re their attitude or their mental state or just aside from the facts of what i witnessed and what i experienced, and i just want to bring that back to the facts of this whole situation that he showed allegiance to january 6, he showed allegiance to christian nationalism and it s just very dangerous for our democracy. and i think he opinion value are secular. he wrote, it, wrote an opinion actually, after a year after the upside flag was flown and it was actually about flags flying outside boston city hall i just wanted to read the operative leinz. again, this is after he himself had known these flags were flying at his homes. and he says, a passerby on cambridge street confronted with a flag, flag flanked by government flags standing just outside the entrance of boston seat of government would likely conclude that all of those flags convey some message on the government s behalf. so it s clear he s saying if they fly the flag than any reasonable person would think that you support what that flag stands for. and yet he s saying it s not the case when they fly at his own home is there any doubt in you did interact with him and i know he didn t really speak. you didn t say much in those interactions but is there any doubt in your mind that a supreme court justice sees the hypocrisy here so he must see the hypocrisy and maybe just doesn t care it seems to me that their behavior and these words maybe they feel like they re above the law. and a lot of ways they are. we don t have an enforceable code of ethics for the supreme court they essentially police themselves and that ruling is really important because it only proves me right, and it proves all of us, right? who think that he of course knew about the flags. of course, he he endorsed them and him making those statements to congress that oh, my wife did it. i don t know about it. oh, i did it because of a neighbor. those are lies and this is important for our country. we need to, we need to hold our elected officials accountable, and we need to have a congressional hearing. we need to enact term limits. we need to have an actual code of ethics that they have 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they ve been walking through a yes. they ve been walking for three days obviously, she s very emotional, says there s no food, there s no way when you think we re in a remote part of the arizona mexico border, getting here, not easy, took us about two-and-a-half hours from tucson. much of the drive off road with no cells signal and yet as desolate as this part of the border might seem, the trash and close literary in the gravel tell a different story. we find makeshift encampments were migrants, shield themselves from the scorching sun and wait for border patrol to pick them up she said three board. of ritual past about a little more than three hours ago and they assume they pick coming back and go, but they haven t seen them yet. this family fleeing cartel death threats and kidnappings were surprised hearing where they re from illness on negative limit heiko, mexico. and as we drive on, we meet another they make windows towards an encampment further down they may go from he s saying there s a bunch more that are coming from from mexico and he said, after the election of particular i felt the motivation to leave fearing the corruption and the lack of work. see what we end up steam because it s late getting near sunset, there s a huge and camp and mostly children a non-profits at this camp up for migrants who ve just cross are saying, please wait here, immigration is going to come and get you here and actually have wifi setup. most everyone here mexican what s up candy he said that they ve been getting a lot of threats and they said it was sort of the reason of the elections, it didn t vote for as they put it, the candidate who ended up winning on june 2, mexicans voted and local, state and presidential elections that campaign season proved violent and deadly. even the roman, she says that the reason they left us for reasons of security, which she says as now, everybody that we see here is from mexico, but they might not be in the us for law just days after mexico s elections, the biden administration took executive action on the order allowing first swift deportation of most migrants after a daily cap is reached. in nogales, arizona, we see those deportations up close. we counted probably a dozen people altogether most of them kids, about eight kids from what we could see getting off that bus and border patrol agents then escorting them directly flee to the border. and they ll continue walking them over right into mexico. what do you think does executive orders that going to do anything more in a rare encounter, we meet a border patrol agent eager to vent he asked us to mask his identity. worried, he ll be fired for talking to openly does it frustrate you when you hear that when you hear the narrative like wire border patrol doing anything don t blown off the mecole one he blames the current administration but isn t any more hopeful with the alternative, really to learn we meet others also frustrated by border policy, though, for more personal reasons. is, is this the only way that you can get face-to-face? yeah. litter carla pachinko crossed illegally nearly 30 years ago. she s recently gotten her work permit, but it s still waiting on a green card. i can be within the us how the mexico side that s her dad, freddie, who crossed illegally and was deported more than a decade back. they and other families meet here every couple of months to catch up. when s the last time you got to hug your dad? 15, 16 years ago. when you think about what s happening at the border now what what goes through your mind? yeah, well, it s unfair because we ve been waiting what has been 20 years, 20 six years, and nothing nothing was being here paying my taxes and not owing anything, no tickets or nothing. yeah. i don t get anything out of it. while washington focuses on illegal crossings and asylum claims cases like carlos have been put on the back back burner for decades, it s still freddie. once his next crossing to be done, laughlin, i wanted to take you write everything, you know with my passport every in legal even if it means waiting years, though it will happen the way i can wait await for border patrol at this remote section of the arizona mexico border unbearable for some. and so you re going to keep walking where cartel back smugglers often mislead migrants to think that once they ve crossed the hard part s over, it s not a struggled to push on and triple-digit heat kliger, the border wall for balance and shade ahead of them, i ll seemingly endless stretch of hills to climb aaron, i want to go back to that breaking news you mentioned just a few minutes ago those individuals was suspected ties to isis who were arrested, believed to have crossed over the us southern border. it s something i d actually asked our border patrol agent that we had connected with somebody who is very candid and open and he was concerned about some of the folks who are coming in. he said, look, the vast majority sure. are women and children and he said, that it s heartbreaking. but they in turn can distract from nefarious activities that might become an cross including potential terrorists. he said, it s terrifying for him and it s for that reason, aaron, that he does not want his signature on any of those release forms. wow. that s really credible. and honestly amazing that you able to speak to him and admirable that he was able to both be honest, but yet he wasn t didn t express kind of rage or anger at anyone fastening and what he said about trump and biden not being satisfied with either all right. thank you so much. david culver for that spectacular reporting next to the us is now track king russian warships packed with high precision weapons that are just off the coast of florida one. can one. i want to do in which and to be with my family i want you to join your brothers in the rank welcome to the show i just love being out there with you guys the only thing that matters to me rigid or now streaming exclusively on 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including a nuclear powered submarine. it is being tracked by us navy and coast guard ships as the russian flotilla is heading to cuba and out front has obtained pictures. a passenger and a celebrity cruise line ship. look at this picture off the coast of florida, took these pictures as the war ships pass by he says they were just a couple thousand feet away and he saw us ships and planes tracking them. the passenger telling us quote, i just happened to look outside and i saw one of the ships so i went outside to investigate. i can see six ships at one time across the horizon. there have been shifts in sight. most of the day and we just think about that most of the de, russian warships next to a us cruise ship, he adds quote, i was surprised how close they are. we re not that far offshore meantime, in moscow, russian state television is touting the deployment of the ships off the us coast as tensions increase with the us and matthew chance is out front from moscow tonight these are the first images of the russian flotilla steaming towards cuba, just 90 miles off the us coast the russian defense ministry says the strike group including a nuclear powered submarine, the qizan, armed with modern caliber cruise missiles practicing the use of high precision weapons. but it s really about putin flexing his muscles on the international stage led by the flagship of russia just northern fleet, the admiral golf cough, which russia s defense ministry says is normally equipped with latest zircon hypersonic missiles this is meant to deliver a powerful message to washington russian state television has been celebrating than evil deployment, placing some of russia s most powerful vessels in cuban waters. i boil and accordion. the american media, has been discussing the event, reports, the russian news anchor claiming the pentagon has no idea where our submarine is positioned. in fact us officials or downplaying any threat. but moscow has been signaling displeasure that washington recently green light getting ukrainian attacks on russian territory with us supplied-weapons speaking ahead of the cube and naval visit, vladimir putin warned of a possible russian response. easley, and you put it today in the west lai weapons to the zone of combat operations and call for the use of these weapons against our territory. then why do we not have the right to do the same? to mirror these actions? i m not ready to say that we ll do it tomorrow, but we of course, should think about it elsewhere moscow has been stepping up tactical nuclear drills to staging exercises with neighboring belarus near the ukrainian border. russian tactical nukes delivered from either ground or air can level entire cities or the kremlin insists it has no plans at this stage
you have donald trump who takes and weaponize is the seats of government, the seats of power, and embarks on a campaign of political intimidation in order to secure outcomes that personally benefit him. that at the core is part of the stakes of our democracy that are before us today. once rule of law goes out the window, it s not something that is easy to get back. it s very much a part of the decision we have to make in the next few months. thank you for all your time tonight. that s all in on this tuesday night . night . tuesday night. good evening, alex. we have some new exclusive audio from the supreme court historical society that lauren windsor has given us and we ll be playing that in the hour so stay tuned. will. like i said exclusive never before heard audio recordings of justice samuel alito speaking to an undercover progressive activist. that s what we have tonight. that is in addition to the bombshell reportings that were released poyesterday, and you l definitely want to hear these recordings when we play them. if you ve been wondering how those secret tapes were made in the very first place, how activists and judges on the highest court in this land, how they camehi to mingle behind closed doors, well, the answer to that begins almost ten years ago to this day, when the supreme court handed down a major decision. supporters of the hobby lobby cheered today s victory. the oklahoma family that owns the chain of 500 craft stores claimed that providing insurance coverage for some forms of contraceptives under obamacare would be the equivalent of paying for abortion. the court called the ruling startling. the hobby lobby decision. the majority opinion was written by justice amsl alito, and it was one of the first signs that conservatives on this court were willing to go after reproductive freedoms no matter the consequence. now, in the wake of the dobbs decision ten years later hobby lobby seems like the canary in the coal mine in more ways than one. in novemberys 2022 the new yor times offered key reporting about how the hobby lobby decision came to be. for years before the court heard the case, conservative christians have been engaged in a campaign called operation higher court. that operation was to personally court and influence the supreme court sth conservative justice. the effort was spearheaded by a man named reverend robert shank, who woulder recruit christian couples, who he called stealth missionaries, to gain access to theto judges and to impress upo themes the importance of conservative christian values. here s how the new york times described one of their strategies. reverend schenk gave his stealth missionary close instruction. the justice were more likely to let their guard down at the supreme court historical society s annual dinners because they were sure they d be properly vetted. see a justice, boldly approach, he told the couples. if given the opportunity bear witness to biblical truth but don t push it, he said. your presence alone at had historical society h events telegraphs a very important signal to the justices christians are concerned about the court and the issues that come before it. that strategy appears to have paid off. according to the times reporting some of schenk s stt missionaries were able to build enough of a relationship with justice alito and his wife, marketa anne, that they obtainea advanced notice of the court s hobby lobby decision before the camebb out. that breach, that unprecedented breach foreshadowed the leaked dobbs decision striking down roe eight yearswn later. and that specific strategy of using the supreme court s annual society historic dinners as a way tost gain access to supreme court justices, well, it turns out that, too, is velerant again just this week. it s a yearly event where wealthy donors give money to a non-profit dedicated to preserving the court s history, and in ouexchange for their mon, those donors get to rub shoulders with some of the justice and their spouses. as it turns out, conservatives weren t the only ones in on this tidy little arrangement. last week progressive activist lauren winder who happens to be a member of the historic society bought a ticket for the event. when she got in, she pretended to be a conservative donor, attending the event with her husband. ms. windsor approached some of the supreme court justices and secretly recorded her conversations with them. nbc news has not heard the full tape of what was recorded so we cannot say for full certain if edits were made if any were actually made. tonight we have some brand new audio from that event to play for you. and when you hear these new tapes, you will hear something familiar to what was on the tapes released yesterday. a justice, in this case justice alito, who is aggrieved and frustrated, who is nakedly partisan and totally unconcerned by appearing to be all those things in front of a total stranger. remember what we heard yesterday. as a catholic and as someone who, like, really cherishes my faith, i just don t i don t know that we can negotiate with the left in the way that, like, needs to happen for the polarization to end. i think that it sti a matter of like, winning. i think you re probably right. on one side or the other one side or the other is going to win.oi i don t know. i mean, there can be a way of working, a way of living together peacefully, but difficult, you know, because there are differences on fundamental things that really can t be compromised. they really can t be compromised, so it s not like you re going tomi split the difference. and that s what i m saying. it s just, i think that the solution really is, like, winning the moral argument. like people in the country who believe in god have got to keep fighting for that to return our country tot a place of godline. i agree with you. i agree with you. remember at this closed door cocktail party ms. winder was also able to get justice alito s wife, martha anne, to justify flying the two flags in front of their homes. these recordings this week would seem to suggest mrs. alito has no shame about what she be been doing here, in fact quite the opposite. she made clear these flags she flieshe are explicitly her formf resistance and response. you know what i want?at i want a sacred heart of jesus flag because i have to look across the lagoon at the pride flag next month. exactly. and he s like oh, please don t put up a flag, and i said i won t do it because i m deferring to you. but when you re free of this nonsense, i m putting it up. i made a flag in my head, this is how i satisfy myself. i made a flag, it s white and it s yellow and orange flames aroundd it, and in the middle the word vergonia. vergonia in italian means shame. just to be clear justice alito hasr publicly stated his wife did not fly these flags to associate herself with the stop the steal movement or any other group, but it seems quite clear from that clip haze wife very much sees this flags as a form of political expression and a response to what she believes are liberal attacks. perhaps most concerning in these recordings, though, is martha-ann alito s five year plan for revenge. there s a five year defamation statute of limitations. i don t know what you mean by them. the media. martha-ann alito says she has a plan to get back at the media by suing for defamation and she thinks she ll have an opportunity to do that in the next five years when she s free of all this nonsense? is she telling all of us here about justice alit opg s retirement plans? and how concerned should we be a supreme court justice s spouse is talking about the american media with open contempt? tonight we have brand new audio from that same event where justice alito himself thinks what he thinks about the fourth estate, the press. the other voice you ll hear on this tape is an associate of lauren windsor s who was also as this event. i justis wanted to ask you w do you think the supreme court is so is being so attacked and being soso targeted by the media? well, i think it s a simple reason. theyle don t like our decisions and they don t like how they anticipate we may decide some cases that areom coming up. that s the beginning and the end of it, and there are there are groupst, that are very well-funded by ideological groups that haveic spearheaded these attacks. that s what it is. like who? propublica. propublica, gets a lot of you know, gets a lot of money. and they have spent a fortune investigating clarence thomas, for example. but they you know, they look for any little thing they can find, and they try to make something out of it. nbc news reached out for comment from both samuel alito and his wife martha-ann alito but we ve not heard back. lauren, thank you for being here. i knowk r you ve had a busy weo far. we re so appreciative of all that you ve said thus far and all that you have toou share wi us tonight. let me first start with the new sound your organization or your colleague has given us. there are two parts of this new this new tape that strike me as concerning. the first is justice samuel alito saying that the media is attacking him because the media doesn t like how they anticipate the court has decided decided cases and may decide upcoming cases. was that a window into what may be coming down the pike in the next two weeks? how did you interpret that? te i mean i definitely interpreted it as being a harbinger for bad thing tuesday come. did you get the sense when he was talking about the media and thenou specifically citing propublica, for example, on their extensive investigative reporting about clarence thomas alito is reading that these stories are very much beingor shared behind closed dos at the supreme court? i mean his media awareness seemed to be relatively high. oh, it s very high. and he already had a sense of grievance when i first spoke with him in 2023, but it was much more pronounced this year in the two conversations that both ali and i had with him. i k we talk about the context here? the fact is you and your colleague both had conversations with the alitos. for those of us who haven t been to the supreme court historical society events, is this what happens at, them? we now have two bombshell reports about conversations, advocacy campaigns happening between attendees andpp justices on the supreme court. it s interesting. i actually read that initial report in the the new york times about reverend schenk, and that s part of what played into my going in the first place, but i didn t read that report and think i should become a member now. it really was incited by the propublica reporting on clarence thomas. andngcl it s interesting that justice alito wants to rail about theha money taken by propublica for investigating, you know, public servants why clarence thomas is not disclosing millions of dollars in gifts from gop donors, and i have no idea what propublica s finances are, but as someone who is an independent journalist, i would imagine that the money that clarence thomas has taken probably rivals the budget of propublica in any given year. yeah, i mean it s such a good point. what did you hear in alito s sort of explanation for that? did you hear it almost seems as if there s certainly no contrition, but there s notce en ant acknowledgement that there was any wrongdoing on the part of clarence thomas in accepting potentially millions of dollars in unspecified gifts from conservativepe donors. i mean, you know, it s not verbatim but it s almost verbatim. making something out of any little thing i don t understand any little thing to be, you know, buying my mother s house or paying for my nephew s tuition or getting a free rv loan. and these are all things that he s accepted from gop donors. so it would be a much different story if this was just about vacations he was taking with harlan crow and his wife and family. most people would write it off as, oh, it was a trip. most people would not consider traveling with friends or associates as being something that s that big of a deal, but that s not actually what we re talkingot about with clarence thomas, is it? no, it s other order of magnitude we ve seen and it s been going on for years. you just a random member of the historical society is able to get even within shoulder rubbing distance of a justice and then grow him into conversation about some of the most incendiary topics of this country, which is the c partisan divide. how did it actually unfold when you were in the room with the justice? so it should be stated that in the guidance for the event thate historical society says you broach topics gnat are before the court, it may be grounds for you to be kicked out. so there was definitely a deliberative process in how do i approach someone in that you know, not only are judges supposed to be really the height of discretion, the height of, you know, judgments, right, this is the highest court in the land. this ishe aou supreme court jus, so i definitely went into this assuming i was not going to get anything newsworthy. in 2023 i did not get anything newsworthy, but i thought, you know, throughout the year that transpired, the media scrutiny on justice alito has intensified so much, and his grievance level is probably so much more peaked that unlike clarence thomas who did not show up to this dinner but has been reported to have shown up to it many times, and he didn t show up in 2023, by the way, that justice alito would probably attend anyway even though he was undergoing this very intense media glare, and sure enough he was there. and i think it was just something that i can t say what was in his mind, so i don t know if in 2023 he had the same level of grievance and, you know, it changed over the coursg of the year. sure. there s a couple options there. you know, did it changeorally was it always there and he just felt more comfortable? was it hard to get him to talk? at the very end of this conversation he says are you a lawyer? i think he s talking toou ali, yourki colleague. i mle not sure if it s you or h, but it s not as if you offered any biographical information other than you had a husband who s in the room. and i wondered how you got that piece of information. did you go up to him and start talking tort him? so the reason why i brought up my husband is that in 2023 i came with a male friend, so the context of it was we had a conversation after dinner in 2023 my male friend was with me, he was not with me in 2024, so when i saw justice alito solo it was one-on-one, it was, hi there, my husband really wants to let you know that we re rooting for you, you know, that you really have all the grit. and the reason why i said you have all the grit if it doesn t stick out tot people, this is because donald trump had tweeted something out about how there should be more justices like samuel alito with the grit that samuel alito has. and so i felt like it was kind of a flag, if you will to alito, that it was a safe space for him. a safe space, yes. i was trying to signal to him very coyly without saying trump because itit goes back to the w to broach a conversation with someone who has the highest level of discretion, you can t talk about partisanis politics. if i had walked up to him and started t talking about joe bid or donald trump, he would have shutdown. so talking about polarization was really a a way into the conversation that wasn t aggressive but also t indicativ of what he s really trying to get at, which is he acting on bias? and ie really do believe that e american peopleo deserve to kn is the supreme court so compromised that we do not really have impartiality, the bedrock of our judicial system. i think hearing it from his mouth that he cannot be impartial,nn that there are this that cannot be compromised. that needs to be fuel to tell us, look, what is it that can be compromised? you brought us into an environment and these tapes are regulatory and coming at a time of crisis for this court. it is we re not done having this conversation. thank you for bringing some of that conversation to our air. we re really appreciative. thanks for spending some time with me tonight, lauren windsor. thank you, alex. coming up this hour we have new details about trump s presentencing meeting with his probationth officer. turns out he is being treated differently, just maybeea not i the way he d like you to believe. but first hunterto biden joined donald trump in becoming a convicted felon facing possible jail time. does that mean the system is now unrigged? we ll get into n the republican response coming up next. get int response coming up next. president biden s son, hunter biden was found guilty today on three federal gun charges. you may think the maga conspiracy about president biden rigging the justice system, maybe you thought that s going to collapse. it did not. today is the first step for delivering accountability for the biden crime family. you ve been saying two tier system of justice, and here is the president s son being convicted. it doesn t. every case is different, and clearly the evidence is overwhelming here. do you think the department of justice is still weaponized against conservatives even though we still see this verdict here today? absolutely. when they tell there are school moms they re domestic terrorists because they don t like what s being taught in their classrooms and others things we can go into it but we can go into it, but we won t. a trump s campaign statement said hunter biden s trial nothing but a distraction of the real crimes of the biden crime family. republican james comer said the work will not be done until the department of justice investigates everyone involved in the biden s corrupt influence peddling schemes. this conviction is apparently a distraction from the real crimes of it biden crime family. is that strategy going to work? today s conviction was awkward. it was awkward for the talk this was all rigged, the biden justice department is rigged only against republicans, but we live in a world in which the reality and the facts have a hard time catching up with the spin. and you can see how deeply invested the republicans are about talking about the biden crime family. so it s not a shock they re going to continue to repeat those talking points over and over again, but i do think the contrast and reaction to the conviction of donald trump and the conviction of hunter biden has been very, very telling here. and, again, it s always difficult to know how it s going to play out. we may see this at the debate. i know the biden folks think this is going to come up at the debate. again, democrats have been making this point and the media have been making the point that, you know, there are a number of democrats who are facing indictments under under the biden justice department, not just the president s own son by a democratic senator, senator menendez, henry quer down in texas. if the system is so rigged, how do they explain that and the answer is they don t feel the need to explain at all, they re just going to go with the spin. when you talk about a reaction this was the statement from the president of the united states after his son is convicted of felonies. as i said last week i am the president but i m also a dad. squill and i love our son and we re so proud of the man he is today. so many families who have had loved ones battle adekz understand the feeling of pride seeing someone you love come out the other side and be so strong and resilient in recovery. as i also said last week i ll respect the outcome of this case and continue to respect the judicial process as hunter continues to appeal. jill and i will always lead our family with our love and support. nothing will change that. that a strong statement, a tough statement for a father to make, and i feel that undercuts whatever the republican argument is here about biden rigging the system among the voters that will actually matter this next election. well, there are three things there. number one, the conviction of hunter biden shows the system is not rigged. it also shows this is the way the rule of law looks. and president biden has also said you know, has said on the record he ll not use his pardon power if to free his son if hunter biden gets a prison sentence. and some people were skeptical about that, but i don t think there s any reason to doubt his word at this point. and again, this creates a really significant difference between the tantrum that donald trump and his supporters have thrown and the acceptance of the rule of law and the decision of a jury that was presented with all this evidence. the point you re making is who is this for right? almost everything republicans say is for the audience of one is for donald trump. this is what the base wants to hear, but that is not the group of voters who will be deciding this election. and i think embedded in biden s statement is a call to empathy, right, for those who have fallen, for people who have addiction and are trying to make it through, you know, a dark, dark period versus trump who is all grievance all the time. and, you know, i think we think we don t know a lot about where this country is headed, but really appealing to people s sense of forgiveness and empathy doesn t seem like a political strategy that has an expiration date. i don t know, am i being too soft here? no. and again, it s a very interesting contrast. if trump s super power and his shamelessness, his refusal to ever take responsibility or apologize, joe biden s super power and his empathy. and again, republicans aren t going to give him any credit for it, but i do think there are a lot of americans who are going to say this a tragic situations. there are questions about the hunter biden judgment and his behavior, but also what you re seeing from joe biden is this is what a father, a father who has lost his other son, how they would react to something like that. and i think there will be a sliver of the electorate, a crucial sliver going to look at that and say we understand that seems human to us, that seems like something we can identify with and admire as opposed to the constant conspiracy theories and the victim card playing and the really vicious attacks on the criminal justice system and the jury system coming from donald trump. yeah, it s a real choice ahead, and this is going to be very, very indicative of who we are as a country. charlie sykes, thank you again for your time, my friend. it s great to see you. thank you. still to come this evening we have some new reporting about what appears to be a coordinated effort to broadcast disinformation about this fall s election on your local newscast. plus, when it comes to trump s criminal conviction, republican need a reality check. we have one. that s next. d a reality check. we have 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refrain during his criminal trial in new york. the entire system is rigged against him. and yet the system really seems to be bending in his favor lately as we saw yesterday at his probation hearing. trump s interview lasted less than half an hour, and trump was allowed to attend the meeting over zoom from his mar-a-lago beach club in florida with his lawyer seated by his side. just for perspective here according to a statement released by multiple public defender groups in new york city, public defenders are deprived of joining their clients for these meetings. the options of joining these meetings virtually by zoom is typically not extended to the people we represent either. joining me now is duncan levine. he s now a criminal defense attorney. duncan, thanks for joining me to make sense of this madness here. first the circumstances of this probation interview. they sound relatively easy, maybe even cushy, but donald trump says everything is rigged against him. who s right? this is something that is so routine, it typically takes hours. and to the extent there s been things that have been different for him, they ve only been different in his favor. most defendants have to come there in person. it is a drab office. these things take hours. there are courts probation interviewed that took half an hour. this is the opportunity to ask on sentencing that don t come out in the trial. this is defendant so well vetted, but for most defendants the judge doesn t have a sense who they are as a person, what their family situation is, what their immigration status is. are they using drugs, who are they covorting with? so a lot of people know this about donald trump. you could say, well, half an hour maybe all you need, but the fact is this it is them doing their due diligence. to the extent it s all zoom, the extent it s rigged or different, it s only been in his favor. the only piece of this he likes bringing up is the presence in this case on the d.a. s side of a man named matthew colangelo. they ve used him to be the missing link between joe biden, the puppeteer of the justice department and alvin bragg who sought criminal charges against donald trump. this is how trump talked about michael. colangelo is a radical left from the doj who was put into the state working for litigious james and was then put into the district attorney s office to run the trial against trump. we ll take issue with the put into passive in that statement, but you have gone between the doj and the d.a. s office so you know what it s like i guess to be a plant. first of all, is that a normal thing that happens, and how in line with reality is this argument? yeah, and this is something that s also being ginned up on capitol hill a lot. and in a letter just today the department of justice said this was conspiratorial speculation. this is an attempt to undermine law enforcement and to sow distrust of the public and law enforcement function. first off manhattan d.a. s office and doj work together every single time. there are joint task forces on terrorism, on hate crimes. there are joint task forces that looks banks file of suspicious activity reports, and joint cases such as standard charter and ing and barclays. there are cases every day deconflicted between the department of justice. on the manhattan d.a. s office they don t arrest the same person or step on other s toes. robert, the most famous manhattan d.a. who served for 35 years from 1975 to 2010 prior to becoming elected as the manhattan d.a. was the united states attorney for the southern district of new york. so he was an obama plant. exactly. a stooge for the administration. this is all coming to a head on july 11th when there is the sentencing hearing for trump. and i guess i wonder what your expectation for that is and whether there s anything to be done around the cries of foul play and a rigged system that are inevitably going to come up no matter what trump is sentenced to. it s just such a hard decision for judge merchan, and you wouldn t wish it on your worst enemy. that being said it s a tough decision for him to make. the prosecution is definitely going to be asking for jail time. the it was is going to be asking for a sentence of the conditional discharge thing. there s going to be outcry on both sides no matter what it is. this is something a very difficult decision and i don t know there s any way through the political thicket of it other than to say this is judge who s really been around the block and he s going to be taking this seriously and fairly, and i think you ll see a sentence free of some of those political consideration, and it may be down the middle, but i think both sides will be able to make like a rorschach test, if you will, and they ll be able to argue around it, whatever it is. you re not giving me the inside dope on what you think it would be. i would never put you on the spot for that, duncan. but for all the cry we ve seen thus far it seems it s 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time he shouldn t be showing the map to someone without security clearance and told the person not to-look too closely at it. while the incident illustrates how allegedly cav clear trump was with classified information, prosecutors never charged trump with crimes involving sharing classified information, and now the judge has struck it from the indictment. joining me now is bradley moss, a national security attorney who routine lee represents federal officials and members of the military in matters pertaining to classified documents. bradley, how big of a deal is it for prosecutors that this map incident has been struck from the indictment? it s certainly not a critical factor. all this means is it s not sitting in what is otherwise known as a speaking indictment. it is still information that prosecutors can bring out at trial and almost certainly will litigate to ensure they can bring it out as sort of the evidence of a prior bad act strictly in the context of mr. trump s the intent, his motive, his desire, his willingness to conceal this information, that he knew he had these records, he knew he had classified documents. he knew he wasn t authorized to have them, and he was retaining them at mar-a-lago. this was a very minor victory for mr. trump, otherwise the motion was dismissed i m sorry, denied by judge cannon. the issue, of course, is that it took so long. this could have been resolved weeks ago. it never need today have taken this long. if it s not a significant win for trump is it indicative, though, of a broader tension between the special counsel s office and this judge? because throughout this case, and it seems like it s ratcheted up in recent months, there s maybe not a volley because it seems like it s coming from one side. the judge does not seem happy with jack smith or his team. yes, certainly the tensions continue to boil, and they ve reached the point that in a hearing just a few weeks ago it got to prosecutors were so upset and frustrated with their attempts to try to explain to judge cannon their view on the case law and how certain legal precedents applied, that the judge had to basically counsel them to calm down. none of us where there, i don t know how badly that got out of hand. but it s never a good sign if you re a lawyer if the judge is telling you to calm down. let s be honest where this is going. judge cannon for whatever reason has chosen to take a slow and methodical approach here. she hasn t granted donald trump anything of substance, but because of how she s dragged it out and how the classified portions of in particular are taking forever, this is guaranteed it never see the light of day, will never get to trial before people go to voting booth in november. that seems a guarantee. there s an open question whether we ll see the trial period but that s going to depend on politics. trump filed another motion today. this one says the fbi destroyed exculpatory evidence but not describing what the classified material was in proximity to nonclassified material and trump argued he didn t pack the boxes, he didn t know what was in there. how substantive is this? does it matter? i think it s a delay tactic at best they might get an evidentiary hearing. they want to have an evidentiary hearing to probe into huthis was conducted, how the boxes were organized this way, whether or not there s something to their allegations of bias and improperly storage. on the merits, it s garbage. it has nothing to do with terms of spoilation of evidence or obstruction of evidence, and it doesn t absolve trump of the idea he willfully retained the documents. he knew he had them in 2022 when he turned stuff over to the archives and they told him, hey, there s classified documents in this stuff. he knew he had them over the course of the next year talking to his lawyers and they told him to turn them over. he knew it when the fbi told him we keep finding stuff in the stuff you re turning over. it will in the way judge cannon handles things drag it out just a little bit more. a grand jury indictment came down on june 8, 2023. anyone s guess whether we get to the second anniversary. bradley moss, thank you so much for your time tonight. have a good night. that is our show for this evening. way too early with jonathan lemire is coming up next. this case was about the illegal choices the defendant made while in the throes of addiction, his choice to lie on a government form when he bought a gun and the choice to then possess that gun. no one in this country is above the law. everyone must be accountable for their actions, even