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the threat that if he becomes president he's going to instruct his attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor. it's -- first of all, i believe it's kind of a misunderstanding of what is even allowed and the way that the process works. but even so, putting that aside, just the threat is something that is going to -- this is something that's going to have ripple effects in the days to come. >> i also think another giant question tonight, again, people view these things through their partisan prism but we know that hillary clinton has barack obama, michelle obama, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, joe biden, bill clinton. donald trump has mike pence. there are no other senior republicans out there. and he threw mike pence under the bus tonight. he threw his running mate under the bus tonight, who has stood by him -- mike pence did not defend donald trump on the specifics in the vice presidential debate. i was told that got under donald trump's skin a little bit. mike pence did stand by him this weekend. mike pence, a christian conservative whose wife i'm told was horrified when she heard that tape and who talked to her husband about it, mike pence did
that was a smart move. and raise your hand if you think it was a smart move for donald trump to bring that up, if that was fair game. why do you think that? >> well, i think, you know, if everything is out on the table, then everything is fair game. is it apples to apples, absolutely not. but i don't think -- in these debates it just doesn't ever seem like anything's off the table. >> i'm going to get a show of hands now. the big question, who do you think won this debate? hillary clinton. raise your hand if you think hillary clinton won tonight's debate. okay. raise your hand if you think donald trump won this debate. okay. so clearly there are some of you who thought this was a draw. raise your hand if you think tonight's debate was a draw. all right. there you go. there you have it, wolf. mixed response. coming up, we're going to talk about what they thought and who they are going to vote for, these undecided voters, if any of them cemented their vote after tonight's debate. you won't want to miss that. >> hillary clinton is now speaking to reporters aboard her aircraft. i want to listen in.
thinks are deplorable and airredeemable which is tens of millions. but in fairness i know we want to talk about this because we certainly don't want to talk about tonight's campaign performance. when hillary clinton just on her plane lying that donald trump said falsehood after falsehood. i was watching the debate in real time. politifact, the fact checker said he was right about her wanting to have a 550% increase in sir refugees -- >> let me ask you another question about the debate. donald trump said he had not spoken to his vice presidential running mate mike pence about syria and he disagreed with him. we're 30 days from the american people voting. mike pence will be out there campaigning tomorrow. is the message to the american people at mike pence rallies don't believe what he says because -- >> not at all. they were talking about two different things. i just talked to governor pence not ten minutes ago. he says hello. he and mr. trump had also talked about what a great debate we've had between tuesday night the vice presidential debate and tonight obviously donald trump winning here. in a vice presidential debate the conversation was about
a high one. donald trump's campaign staggered after the video where the bragged he could grab a woman's genitals. then he went to attack mode and hillary clinton responded. >> look, it's just not true. >> you didn't delete them? >> personal e-mails. not official. we turned over 35,000. >> what about the other 50,000? >> please allow her to respond. she didn't talk while you talked. >> that's true. i'll try not to in this debate because i'd like to get to the questions that the people have brought here tonight to talk to us about. >> and get off this question. >> okay, donald, i know you're into big diversion tonight. anything to avoid talking about your campaign and the way it is exploding and the way republicans are leaving you. >> the news this morning,
>> secretary clinton -- [ cheers ] >> so jeffrey, i heard you laughing. obviously that is a crowd pleaser for trump supporters. there's no question about that. he already has trump supporters. they already support him. is that the kind of line that exemplifies the kind of temperament that those who are undecided want to hear from him? >> yes. and i'll tell you why. this is about as kayleigh was saying, this is about the american people versus the political class in this country. media elites, politicians, et cetera, who as he said repeatedly there, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk and they never get anything done and they lie and they dissemble. and she would in fact, if she were not hillary clinton, she would be in huge trouble with these e-mails. and she would conceivably be going to jail. i mean, other people have gone to jail for these kind of problems. so what he's doing there is hitting the broad themes, one, the division between the
justice system that is unfair, that is biased, but when people like black lives matter point this out people like yourself say they're race baiting, they're racist, and turn a deaf ear. so you can't have it both ways. you can't pretend to care about a broken criminal justice system only when donald trump is scoring political points about hillary clinton and then turn your deaf ear to the cries of actual people who are suffering. and there was a big missed opportunity tonight. when that muslim woman stepped forward, donald trump could have very easily said to her, i understand what you're going through. >> and he did. >> and he didn't. >> he did. >> let me finish. >> we'll get the tape. >> we'll get the tape. >> he very briefly said one thing. and then he basically gave an islamophobic answer to a question about islamophobia. why do i say that? because he said you the muslims
will that be a winning strategy in the general election? we'll see how it plays out. but clearly donald trump came here tonight saying when i'm asked about me i'm going to deflect to bill clinton. i do think it helped him rally conservatives. i also know from e-mail conversations with clinton campaign people anderson cooper said this is sexual assault. and what donald trump -- he said he didn't do it. he said he was just talking about it. he did say tonight which he did not say in that weekend night video-e didn't address whether or not it actually happened. he just said he was sorry. donald trump did say he never did those things. so he was bragging about sexually assaulting women. and he said no, it's locker room talk. the clinton people -- that's going to be in an ad probably by the time we get to the end of this week. with anderson cooper asking a direct question and donald trump saying it's locker room talk. it's not locker room talk. it is not locker room talk to whether you're fantasizing about it speculating about it or talking about it of groping people, sexually assaulting people. that's a crime. >> but i will just say, and probably getting similar notes from republicans, i just got one from a top republican who's very
humanitarian crisis. and that's what governor pence was referring to. and mr. trump said -- >> and he said the united states might have to use force. governor pence the united states might -- >> he might have to. >> and donald trump said tonight i disagree with that. and i haven't spoken with him. >> about that particular aspect of it since the debate. that is true p they've spoken many times this week. but let me be clear. on tv on your network today cnn's jake tapper took tim kaine to account because he couldn't answer a simple question about what hillary clinton said in the e-mails about having open borders. we know she's for open borders but the only way we know it now is because we saw it in her e-mails -- >> we did hear something extraordinary from donald trump today. he said if he's elected president he will ask the justice department to name a special prosecutor to go after hillary clinton. and then he went one step further and said he would arrest her and lock her up -- he would put her in jail. in all of the years, i don't remember a time in american history when one candidate has said of the other candidate if
give it a broader look. much better counter puncher. i think he did poorly on that he was much more animated and much better counterpuncher i think that he did poorly on that question and he did poorly on the strange syria discussion where he got off on a rant there. which i think will leave a lot of questions and led to the mike pence question. the truth is hillary clinton has her struggles with the same issues she always struggles with, e-mails, speeches. i thought his counterpunch on
the lincoln comment was good. at the end of the day, i come to the same conclusion. i think she probably wins at some point and i don't think it changes much. >> just to set the stage, this has been one of the most disastrous periods for a presidential nominee in the history of the united states. from the first debate and before this debate. did he change that at all? >> i think he stopped the panic among most of the republicans there who were panicking. at least for now. i thought it was basically a draw which is basically a good thing for donald trump thinking that hillary clinton was going knock him out of this debate and have such a strong performance that there would be no question of where this race stood.