dnc. that seems like corruption. i don t know how else he would describe that. no, it s not. here s what actually happened, and i m sure it happened on the republican side as well, which is that when someone has secured their party s nomination, essentially they start acting as one with the party committee. so it seems as though the clinton campaign decided to make this agreement early which said, hey, guys, when i actually secure the nomination, you know that we are going to have to go over some things like that. that, to me, does not seem out of the ordinary. tucker: that s not actually what it said. look, if you re making the point that both parties tried to rigged the system in favor of the candidate they want, you re absolutely right, and the republicans tried to do that and they failed, and that is how they got trumped. no, it s true. both parties tried to rig it, but my question is, don t voters have a say in this? it doesn t belong to the party who is paid by it but by the voters that vote for it. they get to vote, it seems to me an act of undermining democracy. it s not at all. the states are the one who controlled the primaries. the dnc and party committee staffers group frankly have little role in that. the other thing is that i think there is a suggestion here that it was so unfair as to that something might have changed the outcome. hillary clinton won the primary by 4 million votes, so it is really hard to see how this could have gone down any other way. again, look back on come up with this change things so that, you know, she would rightfully become president? well, she s not in office right now. tucker: right, but these are all hypothetical questions. what will we do know is that the system was not on the level, it was rigged. i m not a democratic democrat,f people that have given their lives to the party have. hillary clinton has been a democrat, you know, largely all her life. she talks about how she was a goldwater girl. tucker: and bernie is not really a democrat. i love that bernie is not really a democrat. a democrat his entire career in the senate, as he will know, but how about someone who has been a democrat consistently, elizabeth warren, saying the system is rigged. is she not a real democrat too? this is not just donald trump or right-wingers like me trying to cause problems in your party. these are actual democrats. would you think joe biden thinks of that, for example, who got chapter because the dnc put its thumb on the scale when it shouldn t have, and let s just admit that its corruption again, i think people like martin o malley and bernie sanders have a legitimate complaint to say that, on a personal level, the staffers at the dnc probably preferred hillary clinton. i think that is true. tucker: [laughs] okay, come on. but i don t think you can say that i just really don t think yeah. tucker: when national democratic committee staffers who are bound, i would say on abound, to remain neutral in the nominating contest, are figuring out ways to impugn senator sanders because of his religion, and they were caught doing that, you think that s not corrupt? i don t think it s corrupt. i think it is human that he thy had preferences. on the g.o.p. side, i m sure that was the case as well. you may remember the previous administration wasn t terribly tucker: i m not contesting that. the republican party didn t want donald trump. he bulldozed them and won. they tried to rig it too. that s true. i m just saying, it s not supposed to work this way. the democratic party got caught raiding an election. they should just admit it and apologize. that s all i m saying. well, i would disagree with that assessment. again, i don t think that it was rigged. i think hillary did have outside control for a lot of reasons. again, it didn t change anything ultimately. tucker: unknowable. christy, thank you for that. thank you, tucker. tucker: last evening, president jeff stoker an interview for a puff piece literally entitled how jeff made cnn great again. pretty hard-hitting speak gnomic peace. he gave his theory for greatness. hardness, hardness, her nose i think our news is truly fair and balanced. he said that apparently without snickering. which raises the question, how much cnn does jeff zucker actually watch? yet here is acosta from two days ago, releasing what is apparently prerehearsed editorial. i think president trump now has the world record for injecting politics into the aftermath of terror attack. that is exactly what has happened in the last 12 hours and the president has been reading about this. tucker: the president won a world record for injecting politics? according to jim acosta, reporter, that is exactly what happened. can we get some documentation? a certificate from the guinness spoke, maybe? did they accidentally slip into third-grade pond injury? it looks that way. and it probably wasn t by accident, actually paid as a veteran acosta boettcher, we have noticed a theme here. here is a greatest hits real. i think we saw the president s true colors today, and i m not sure they were red, white, and blue. he is ushering in a cold war, a return to the cold war between washington and havana. not just seeing a press conference go off the rares or jumped the tracks. you are watching a presidency go off the rails and jumped the tracks. at times, this white house has an unfit gnomic unhealthy fixation on what i call the 3ms, the mexicans, the muslims, and the media. tucker: keep in mind that as of this morning, jim acosta was still listed at cnn senior white house correspondent. that is a different job from being a talking head on one of those panel shows of 19 guests. at least, it s supposed to be a different job. as jeff zucker watching any of this? our guests tonight, i am not attacking jim acosta for bad pond injury although that is bad pump and treat i m kind of wondering what the boundaries are. if you are a white house correspondent supposedly committing journalism, gathering facts, bringing them to your audience, how can that person coexist with the person we just saw? it cannot, tucker. as far as reporters are concerned, you can say jim acosta is the face of the anti-trump movement. that is fine if he is an activist or even an opinion host like yourself. the problem is, as you ve noted, he is a senior white house correspondent from one of the largest news organizations in the world, and what that does to cnn, by extension, fairly or not, because there are plenty of good report is over there, it s labeled us on an objective news outlets that reports of the facts but as the opposition party. if you talk to folks within the administration, and i have, and you ask them, are jim acosta s day-to-day antics in terms of making himself the story, is that good or bad for you? and they enthusiastically say, yes, because he is making our argument for us that, not only is the media as a whole because now they can use it broadbrush negative toward us, but they treat us with hostility, and there actually, during these press briefings, taking a side on the position and openly debating us on it. that is not what white house senior correspondence to. tucker: it s not. for all of the grief that fox takes, and i m jumping around and getting might face in your opinion, i get it, that s fine. our guys at the white house don t behave like that. they re not eating editorials about things. they never have been like that. does no one else noticed this is happening. i should say, you re right. there are some good people at cnn, and there still are, but jim acosta seems to discredit them. are your saying, is anyone noticing? of course they are. he is one of the most visible on the network. a lot of people watch the press briefings. that is a true fact. let me read you there was a profile on acosta in politico this is how it reads. acosta takes a sip of the beer. content that he was on the right side of history. people are going to look back at this moment and ask each and every one of us, what did you do when trump was doing this to america? what role did you play? now, that is taking a side in saying that my ideas are better than your ideas and my worldview is more righteous than yours. tucker: he sounds like a theologian or something. i a german theologian who was murdered for his beliefs by the the s nazis. he makes it sound like he has a moral mission when i thought he was supposed to be a reported. not just jim acosta but other pond and that network. the senior political analyst, press secretary for hillary clinton, i asked her to make your producers to put together this tweets to put it on the screen because it really shows you what a political analyst should not be doing. a life look at ed gillespie s ed gillespie is running for or you have april ryan who is a white house reporter for american radio, also a cnn contributor and on the air quite often. and she asked the press secretary, just two days ago, do you think the administration thinks that slavery is wrong in the u.s.? you don t ask a question like that, tucker, if you want a meaningful answer. you ask a question like that to make yourself the story and get retweeted and go viral. stu and i love how they are attacking ed gillespie a sum certain extremists. someone told me the other day that keith olbermann isn t well. have you heard that? keith olbermann, since the theme tonight is making yourself the story, obviously likes to say things that are productive and over-the-top. not surprising. on review, and i don t know if you have this sound bite oh, you do. play that real quick. you said recently via tweet that trump and his family have done more damage to america than bin laden and isis combined. yes. do you believe that? yeah. we did really well after 9/11. i don t think the country has given itself enough credit for what we did not do. we did not restrict all of the freedoms in this country. we did not single out people. tucker: is he okay? are other people concerned about him? i would imagine so. but i m concerned more about, tucker. did you hear the reaction of that audience who cheered when a guest compares a sitting u.s. president to the guy who carried out 9/11, bin laden, carried more than 3,000 people in new york, pennsylvania, and washington, obviously. and then also says that president trump is worse than isis, who just also took credit for carrying out attack a few blocks from where they killed eight people, and the crowd cheers that? and no cohost meghan mccain used to be with this network stood up to him. this makes you hurt. tucker: a little nervous. joe concha, as always, thank you. thanks, tucker. tucker: got a fox news alert. the nypd says they may have a criminal case against disgraced producer harvey weinstein. for an update on all of that, we are joined by jonathan hunt, who has the latest. jonathan? tucker, this is obviously a dramatic development in the harvey weinstein case with the nypd saying they are gathering evidence to prepare an arrest warrant and that they believe the allegations made by and actress that harvey weinstein raped her in october 2010 are credible. we have an actual case here. we are happy with where the investigation is right now. mr. weinstein is out of state. we would need an arrest warrant to arrest him. what makes this story so the ability to articulate each and every movement of the crime, where she was, where they meant, what he did. scores of women have now come forward with allegations of sexual harassment and assault by harvey weinstein. he has denied any criminal acts and he said getting treatment for what he has called sexual addiction, although there have been various reports, tucker, from tmc and the new york post that he is not taking that treatment seriously. he will have little choice but to take this news from the nypd very seriously indeed. tucker? 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what about the soldiers that were injured? what about the wife who said she could no longer hold her husband s hand because he s in a wheelchair, shot trying to get bergdahl. think about the countless high-value individuals that we stopped going after, that escaped, that may be made improvised explosive devices that could have killed marines going on. all of this war effort stopping because there is one guy left. i said before i was going to keep my mouth shut hoping the military judicial system or do something the right way, but i think this judge dropped the ball, i think it said, i think they have something against this administration. i don t know what it is. i think they made a bad call. tucker: just to go back to the beginning of what you told us that you knew from the outset that this was desertion, that he had left intentionally. we knew tucker: we didn t know that, those of us that were just covering the stuff. we were told by the obama administration it wasn t clear. it was so bizarre. i ve been in a lot of different spots. about eight months after we finish the bin laden raid, told to go rescue him out of a part of pakistan, and the obama administration sent their people there. we think this guy might have fallen back on patrol. i had to stop her in the middle. no, no, no, this guy walked off. i knew before my first cup of coffee. he is a deserter. we need to go with him. simply because he wears a uniform, we need never leave tn behind. this poor nitwit. what the judge did today was wrong. tucker: the obama people knew from the very beginning been i mean, if you know we knew they were going to spin it as something political like they did. tucker: but why would they like? why would they bring the parents of this deserter into the rose garden on the sunday morning show, saying he served with honor and distinction? i talked with some the guys from my former command, the elite seal team, just saying a disgrace. a lot of guys that were there, one of my guys, i can t tell him right now. tucker: rob o neill, thank you for that. thank you, tucker. tucker: the latino victory funds gubernatorial victory ad was so over-the-top it was pulled off the air. some think it was one of the great ads in american political history. why does she think that? we ll ask her next. on every purchase i make. everything. what s in your wallet? but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered. in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. the name to remember. tucker: virginia s gubernatorial vote is just four days away, and the races ending in a really ugly way. earlier this week, the latino victory fund released and then pulled an ad that attacks republican ed gillespie s voters as racists who want to children. [car revs] run, run, run! come on! tucker: democrat ralph northam s campaign has tried to distance itself from the ad, which is self-evidently disgusting, but not everyone agrees with that. we have a member of the democratic house of representatives. she joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. thanks for having me back, tucker. tucker: i guess what bothers me about the ad, it is clearly race baiting but factually untrue. there are no gillespie voters that i m aware of who have run anyone down with a truck. this ad is only designed to play upon people s racial fears. it s hard to see how anyone could defend it. how could you? well, i find it interesting that you have managed to pull all of the gillespie voters to find out what they do in their private time. as a political consultant tucker: hold on. has a gillespie voters run down a minority child with a truck ever? do you know something i don t? know here in georgia there was just a woman convicted and given 30 years because she did go to an african-american child party with her confederate flag flying on her truck and drove in circles as they called them the and word. so that happens, it happens at 2017, and it happened to me in the early 2,000 spirits doing awful things happen, for sure, and i never deny it, but this is a political ad ended a specific candidate and his voters, and there is no evidence that anything it suggests is true. there are no gillespie voters who have done this. by the way, we just had kind of a mirror image of this in new york city this week for a radical muslim random people in a truck, one of the reasons they pulled this ad. do you see any irony in that? what i do see the most irony and is, in america, you can look at what happened in new york as terrorism, but when we talk about charlottesville, in virginia, where this race is going on, you pretend like that is not terrorism. as if that man with a confederate flag on his car did not run over the poor woman. tucker: slow down. i don t know if you are talking about. i would never defend that. it s appalling. i think that is a kind of terrorism. of course, evoke terror in people. no one is defending that, certainly not on this show. but you are saying this is a nonrealistic ad, and in america, we have to understand is, there are americans tucker: hold on. this ad is designed to enact votes for a candidate away from another candidate, to terrify people, and the ad says, this guy supports writing down minority children, and that s a lie, and it is the worst kind of racial demagoguery because it is preying upon people s fears. oh, it s racial demagoguery. here you have an example of racial demagoguery and you are endorsing it. why? you know what else the right does, the ray cote says , we don t have time to be politically correct. let me tell you something that is not politically correct in america. in america, there are americans who are as afraid of someone running them over with a confederate flag as they are of radical islamic terrorism, and instead of running from this and shaming it, you need to say, you know what, this is an ugly part of american history. whether it has to do with ed gillespie or not, i don t know. but i know it s the reality here in georgia. tucker: first of all, you don t have a separate reality from anybody else. the reality exists independent of your i think you have a separate reality because you re not recognizing what america is showing right now. tucker: i don t want to have a philosophical conversation with you. i just want to make the point that this ad accuses somebody specific, ed gillespie, av specific crime that neither he nor his voters have committed, therefore, it is a lie, but more than that, it is bad precisely for the reasons you just explained. people are scared. this makes them more scared on the basis of a lie. therefore, it is demagoguery. it brings us farther apart. do you see what i m saying. port tucker. what you don t realize is that, without this ad, there were already americans who were afraid of this reality. this ad just depicts that. the fact that you are running from it and trying to fight that is a problem with america. it s a problem with republicans. this is something that we are truly afraid of in the same what you want tucker: there for i m part of the problem? i m confused. is there in a gillespie supporter who has done this? yes, you re part of the problem, not because you re part of the lie, because he want to turn this into a lie. you want to turn it into, charlottesville never happened. tucker: this isn t about charlottesville. actually, yes, it is. this is virginia. this is a governor s race in virginia. tucker: what does that have to do with ed gillespie? i mean, look, i m trying to be reasonable. i m not sure you re capable of it, but i m trying to walk through this slowly and ask you, how does what happened in charlottesville relate to ed gillespie and how is he he responsible for it? maybe i m too literal. no, you re trying to be literal, you re trying to be literal, and you re trying to be literal because you don t want to recognize their white people in america that can be as bad and worst terrorist as the muslim terrorist to put your defending it, not because it has anything to do with ed gillespie you could care less about at gillespie. you care about what it depicts. you want to show that the confederate flag is part of our heritage. i salute one flag. that s the american flag. tucker: we are done. you are a deeply unreasonable person. i hope you never get near power. next up, the g.o.p. tax plan could have big consequences for business owners, tesla drivers, and our viewers, you, me, all of us. should we pass it? 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[music] [music] tucker: republican party revealed yesterday its plans for the biggest overhaul of u.s. tax code since the bush tax cuts of 2001. this bill would/corporate tax rates, increase the standard deduction for ordinary families, and impose a new tax on the endowment revenue of universities. it is a complicated bill. not all is clear. but is it worth passing? congressman sean duffy represents wisconsin and supports the proposal, and he joins us. congressman, thanks for coming on. good to be with you, tucker. thanks for having me. tucker: if the message of the last election was, the middle class feels neglected, and an awful lot of americans make less than their parents made, and if that is the core problem in american politics, and i think it probably is, how does this bill address that problem postmarked two things. one, as he mentioned in your intro, we let more middle income americans keep more of their income, which is a great thing. we simplify the code so people don t have to go to their accountant and to itemize deductions. i think the biggest thing is, we are a global economy. we have businesses because the tax rates are too high, they go to some foreign country provided tax rates. if we bring our corporate tax rates from 35% down to 20%, we are going to see american businesses actually come back home and bring their money back home and invest here in america. and when you have more investment, more business, that means more jobs for middle income families with better wages, which is what this is all about. how do we help the american family? i think this package that kevin brady and our ways and means committee put together, is pretty awesome considering the constraints we have. tucker: let s take one company, apple. its valuation is nudging towards a trillion dollars. it s going to get a much bigger rate cut than any other middle-class family. it doesn t imply that many people, actually. if this tax plan is good for apple, how exactly will americans benefit from that? you re confident they will? let s walk through the apple example. when apple makes money overseas, they keep that profit overseas. they don t bring it back on. the reforms in the tax bill will say, apple, all of the money you have made overseas, we will tax you, and he will have eight years to pay it off, but you will bring it home on day one. because we lower the rates make it easier to bring prophets home, we think apple will invest more in america and offer more american jobs. one of the reasons why apple isn t here is, it tax code has incentivized apple to go somewhere else. this reverses that incentive and says, apple, we want you to come back home and employed americans and the innovative and creative jobs that make your product so wonderful. i haven t been able to get an iphone tenured, but i m working on it. i hear it s great. tucker: i don t think it will solve anyone s problems. let s just take an example. let s see my wife and i each make 45 grand a year. that puts us pretty solidly in the middle class. we live in schenectady, new yor new york. 90 grand combined in family income. how does this change our picture. you and your wife make $59,000, your tax rates, your federal tax rates will go down by 75%. you ll pay a 75% less than you do today. and your taxes will be way easier. what i find fascinating, democrats, you have heard the mantra every day on your show. democrats say, we need not give tax breaks to the wealthy. we need to raise taxes on the wealthy and preserve breaks for the middle income americans. what we have done in this bill is pretty simple. we have driven all of the tax breaks toward middle americans, and actually, we have taken some of the wealth away from the wealthiest americans. democrats become uncomfortable because they like the talking point of saying, no tax breaks for the rich. but when we actually accommodate them, the rich live in their districts. they have the limousine liberals who sipped their lattes and the love to talk about their social justice, but when we accommodate them, all of a sudden, they are like, whoa, we want to make sure you can write off the interest on $8 million home. when i live in wausau, wisconsin, tucker, we don t have any million-dollar homes. you are at wealthy if you have a $450,000 home. the left wing nuts are going crazy that they might pay a little bit more. spoon the democratic party is a party of the rich, that is actually true. finally, what about the property tax write offs that people in states with high property taxes, mostly, of course, blue states, liberal states, they can t write that off anymore under this plan. how s that going to affect middle-class families? not to the same degree, but they can write up to $10,000 of their property taxes. you know, maybe your home, tucker, you might not be able to write off the full boat, but a lot of people and aren t paying off more than $10,000. recognize when you itemize, you know have gone from a $12,000 standard deduction to $24,000. if a whole group of people who want to have to itemize anymore. they will have enough in the simplicity of the code to make it work for them. one thing i want to bring up, you bring up the high taxes, new york, california, new jersey. they are concerned about the ability to write up the state and local taxes. what is often times not brought up, the alternative minimum tax actually doesn t let them write off that stuff anyway. not helped as much as they would be as other people in low tax states. spoon congressman, thank you for joining us for that explanation. i appreciated. up next, a professor has people howling over a report he wrote on transgenderism. that next. the professor argued that transgender ideology is undermining the traditional family by affirming the right of children to change their gender even if their parents object. they say he ought to lose his job for saying this. so far boise state says his job is safe that they dean has also issued a statement saying this rhetoric does not reflect the values of diversity, whatever that means. the professor joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. thank you, tucker, for having the. tucker: can you explain quickly what you said that was considered so controversial by boise state? well, it is one of those things, it is almost difficult to know what, precisely, got everyone angry. most people concede the point that transgender rights can undermine parental rights. so the general trope is then that i have said misogynist and trans pope and homophobic things in the article. spoon but you were just noting that if you allow a child agency, freedom to decide his or her gender, if you believe that is physically possible, if you let kids decide, that undermines the rigf parents to make decisions for the kid. that is like a statement of fact, isn t it? it seems to be a statement of fact. it s difficult to imagine what the family could look like if there weren t parental rights and parental authority that parents would have to raise their children the way they see fit. tucker: so what kind of response did you get for saying something obvious? well, i m not sure that anyone ever read my article, and i have been proud of my administration for always defending my right to write on what i would like on academic freedom. at the same time, they have said that i have engaged in hate speech and that i created an unsafe environment and i have been uncivil, and i think we are beginning to see, at boise state, the conflict between a university that is committed to social justice and a university that is committed to rational inquiry. that, to me, is the slow death of the modern university. tucker: or the quick death. it seems to be happening pretty rapidly. in what way do they claim you are uncivil? i think the instability that they see is that i don t affirm everyone s identity when i conduct my research on what the effects of identity politics are on the family. i think that is the new definition of civility. if you have to affirm people in their identity in order to be c. where is the old understanding of civility, which i think fits with the university that is dedicated to rational inquiry, you can disagree politely with someone. spoon reiko. you can say, i have a different view, but i don t hate you for it. that was my understanding. they have, in effect, denounced two in a modern way by saying that what you said it does not reflect the values of diversity. now, hear that phrase a lot. i have no actual idea what it means. do you know what it means? i think i would go back to that understanding of civility, tucker. i think what diversity means is, the need to affirm everyone in their own identity as they understand it. and the failure to do that makes you uncivil or may be a person who perpetrates hate speech. tucker: so i thought diversity was the idea that you could have people with different backgrounds, different experiences, different views, and they could all kind of live together. it sounds like they are demanding uniformity rather than diversity. yeah, that s one of the great ironies, tucker, that boise state, for instance, has recently hired a diversity and inclusion officer, and he is one of the primary people behind denounced me in public. he has claimed by articles for charlottesville and genocide and call me a neo-nazi. what the effect of that is, to make people without tenure and without the protections that come with an academic job less likely to speak, less likely to engage in ideas, and back to the diversity officer at the univer. students of the diversity officer is demanding conformity and nobody sees that as orwellir totalitarian? looking at the outside in at the university, not just rest but so many of them, it seems like a grotesque joke to a lot of people like me who are parents of college-age children. at what point do you think the rest of the country says, i m not sending my kids to a place like that anymore? i would like truth in labeling on campuses. if a campus isn t going to be dedicated to rational inquiry, they should just announce that they are dedicated to social justice and eradicating prejudice as they understand them. and allow people to understand s they are going to. it s not clear to me that there s enough intellectual diversity on any of these campuses to conduct a genuine constructive dialogue if those campuses are committed to social justice and set of rational inquiry. tucker: and it is the diversity officer strapped to stamp out inquiry. this is one of the craziest things, and i appreciate you having the bravery to stand up in the middle of it. thank you. thank you, tucker. tucker: a sign outside a school is being treated as a hate crime because of what it said about white people. we ll tell you what it said nex next. . respiratory. respiratory. . k. why do you do it? 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meet the woman who started it all. lucas is the first baby with down syndrome to represent gerber. this picture courtesy of cook s we agree. saying that s really . i m heading to the white house where see you later this afternoon. appreciate you joining us for this packed hour. tuing it over to ali velshi and s ruhle. who doesn t love a gerber baby? love that baby lucas. sweet pea. morning, everyone. i m ali velshi. i m stephanie ruhle. it s wednesday, june 6th. mexico firing the latest shot in the escalating trade war between the united states and the allies. how is this goingo play when the president sits down with the leaders of those countries on friday? how many people are in on forming this tariff policy and who is in charge? that s a great question. in fact, what you see right now is a big split inside the guns. we begin with the latest escalating trade war between the united states and the top trading partners including some of the closest allies and this one comes from mexico. the mexican president signed an order immediately imposing 15 to 25% tariffs on u.s. steel. also a 25% tariff on u.s. cheese and bourbon. plus a 20% tariff on american agricultural productncluding po potatoes, apples and cranberries. u.s. pork farmers alone could use $100 million a year. that s according to an estimate by the iowa farm bureau. this is after the trump administration eliminated tariff exemptions for our partners, mexico, canada, and the european unn. it also imposed a 25 % tariff on steel imports and 10% tariff on aluminum imports effective june 1st. with all this, the world bank has issued a warning that the escalating trade tensions between the united states and the major trading allies could have, quote, severe consequences for the trade and growth that would be equivalent to the 2008 financial crisis. nbc s von joins us from des moines, iowa where the u.s. pork industry is holding the annual expo right now. stephanie and alley, reminder. 10% of iowa pork alone goes to mexico. so we are he in des moines and the president is at the summit. this is the world s pork expo not only from around the country but 40 countries from around the world. there are individuals here. i want to bring in christy. she s a family farmer. you have 460 employees you re about two hours north of here and have a full operation. about 10,000 people here over the course of the weekend coming through. and you not only grill up the food but you also produce it and go through it. what do we see here? today we have whole pig and brats. pork loin and our baby bac ribs. family is involved? family is involved in the business. i am a fourth generation partf pork agriculture. my daughters are business. myfather, my sister, brother-in-law, and my husband. so we are not just a pork production family. we also employ a lot of other people s families. reporter: almost 500. that s correct. reporter: and stephanie and allie, there s a lot of people who are associated with the business as well. pork is foundational to the iowa economy. when you see the trade negotiations underway, the tariff that s put, what s your concern? well, the one thing is that if it s for the long term, that could be devastating for the industry, but wenow a lot of things because pork is a very flexible agriculture, some of these things are short-term. we feel like we re pawns in the chess game of the trade wars, but r the short time the american producers can have cheaper bacon and ribs for the summer. so in the 80s when ery wanted leaner pork, and all the pork fattier and bacony, we had to change the genetics. we had to make that fit the consumer s desires. so right now a lot of people are going for all naturalpork, antibiotic free, organic pork. we ve seen that on the american side as well where our con have become a more refined palate. how e ist f y adjust? it s not easy, but pork producers work hard, so they ll find a way to make it happen. a lot of people have been doing this for so many years. this is just one more bump in the world in the world market. that s great. that s about as an american response as you get. they re facing uncertainty. they re worried about it and coming up with innovation. that s remarkable. john, i shou tr you before, but when i saw von and the smokers behind him, i was dazed in a bacon bo nonza. sorry about that. made me hungry too. the eu announced it s going to be imposing retaliatory tariffs on u.s. steel and aluminum. canada also imposing tariffs starting july 1st can tariffs. that includes a 25 % tariff on steel and 10% tariffs on aluminum. you have yogurt, jam, whiskey. walk us through how this is going to play out. the fact we re hearing this could take us back tth 2008 nanciacrisis level. how bad can this get? well, i d be surprised if it got to that level, because it usually when president trump meets formidable resistance, he backs off. so it is possible that given all the alarms that are being sounded by republican members of congress from agricultural states, for the business round table yesterday, national association of business economists yesterday downgraded in their survey, their forecast for growth in 2018 from the previous survey, this trade overhang is bad for the economy. republicans need a good economy to succeed in midterm election one possibility is president trump in the face of all this makes a lot of noise, rattles a lot of kangs and steps back. but if he doesn t do that, we re rheaded for trouble with allies at a time when we re not even addressing in the trade discussions that we re talking about right now, are the indications that we have. we re not even addressing the big threat from china over theft of intellectual property. we re fighting our allies at a time when we need them to confront china. there are people with legitimate concerns about the trade deals and how they ve affected theirndustrieand jobs. and even president trump has campaigned saying he s going to do something and he s going out to do something about it. it is not business as usual he goes to the g summit in canada on friday where he s meeting with leaders of canada and the eu nations. at what point does this sort of bring a summit like this to a halt because everyone is angry at the u.s. or do they have business to continue to do while acknowledging the complaint on behalf of many american workers thew trade arrangements? there s some business they can do. there s a lot of routine business that goes on between finance and trade ministries of these various countries. but the united states, make no mistake, is becoming isolated. it is being condemned by its allies for the actions that king. and one of the things we ve learned about the world over the last couple of decades is that you need allies to get something done. the world is too globally connected. you can t america can t be the world s policeman, but it can t vindicate it s own interests by itself. so that s a difficult situation. the present is now talking about trying to break up nafta into separate categories with mexico and canada. that is going to be a nonstarter. ultimately, i think he s going to be faced with a decision of either pulling out of the existing nafta or getting nothing done at all. it is worth noting, though, that in those various industrialized countries that comprise the g7 or g-20, there are constitntil ns. almost everybody in the world thinks they got an unfair trade deal from someone else. i m sure there are canadians and we know there are britons because that s why they voted for brexit who feel we don t have trade deals with everybody else. that s why you have big multilateral trade deals. everybody has skin in the game. er has got to make compromises. so can a mexico were part of the transpacific partnership which renegotiated nafta. the president backed out, again, isolatinited stes on the world stage. thank you, john, and thank you to von in iowa. president trump reportedly obsessed with his ability to grant pardons, and we can see another one come any time now whether he s obsessed or not. that could be a woman who is happy he s obsessed. one of them would be that great grandmoer whom reality star kim kardashian is fighting for. we ll speak to her daughter coming up. george woke up in pain. i missed that. both of my parents haved away. i was not able to be by either of their sides and their f days. that s an ache i had that never goes away. alice s daughter joins us w. we have confirmed from inside the white house that the pahas been prepared on yourmom. the president has not signed it, but it s ready for his signature. has the white house reached out to you, and how do you feel about all of this? no, the white house hasn t reached o me. s surreal. i m just finding out now on live tv that the paperwork has been prepared. i mean, this is something that my family and i, we pray for for years. it s just it s just surreal. it s amazing. wow. did you think this would happen? last week it was obviously major for you and your family when kim kardashian west went to see the president. the next day the president didn t make an announcement. did you start to lose hope? no-ev let myself lose hope, because that s worse than anything. i don t think i could take not having anyhope. tentive, it s a reserved hope. we ve been through so many ups and dnsouout the years with different appeals and things. so it was we re hopeful, but it s a reserved hope. you know? until she walks out that door of th prison. she said what she said and that she was part of a drug conspiracy. she admits to what she did. you started a petition that you write since being incarcerated she s been a model prisoner who mentors women. tell us abo w she is. she s become an ordained minister. that s a long sentence for a nonviolent drug offense. for americans saying why are we committing people with nonviolent offenses, why are we doing this? she has tried the best she cano make a negative situation into a positive situation, as much as it can be. she really dedicated herself into helping owomen, and if she s plans on working with women who are incarcerated to help prevent recidivism. i think she d do a lot more good outside of that prison than she is even inside a prison, even though she s doing a lot of good in there. she s just taking the bull by the horns and is really trying to be a positive person as she can be. i mean, she made mistakes, but she s human, and she s worthy of being pardoned. she s worthy of a second chance. how did kim kardashian west get involved in your campaign, and after she met with the president, did s with you what he told her about your mom s case? yes. she got involved with the case. she saw the mike video and decided to reach out to my mom through her attorney. but the family, we didn t know who it was at first. shawn just told us i a female celebrity, a wealthy female celebrity who wanto advocate for he i had no idea. no idea it was kim be oprah. kardashian. when we found out, it was definitely a pleasant surprise. she has really been an advocate for my mom in a major way. she s really done a lot, and where she could have saw the video and said that s a shame and gone on with her life i wasn t privy of the meeting. wasn t there. all i heard was it was a po meeting, but i don t know exactly what was discussed. the exact language. we ll keep an eye on the story closely. we hope for the best for you and your family and mother. thank you so much. i m thanks. good luck to you. she has twins at home that haven t met her mom that will be amazing if they can. yes. also today rod blagojevich asked the president to commute the remainder of his 14 -year sentence. he was convicted on 2011 on multiple felony corruption charges. there s something else you prably didn t know about the privacy of your facebook acunt. i know nothing about that. all i know is i know nothing and everybody has amy informaon. enharing er infor wleast four chinese companies, including one flagged by u.s. intelligence as a security company. wasn t zuckerberg testifying before congress on this? did this come out? this is strange. first a new potential conflict for scoot pruitt. he s now accused of using a government aide to help score his wife a chick-fil-a franchise. pruitt never spoke to the ceo of than told the washington post mrs. pruitt didn t complete the frchise application. this is a weird story. this is the definition of swamp. no kidding. we ll be right back. welcome to holiday inn! thank you! wait, i have something for you! every stay is a special stay at holiday inn. save up to 15% when you book early at hollidayinn.com save up to 15% when you book early whent onbones, e you on theight path? we have postmenopausal osteoporosis and a high risk for fracture, so with our doctors we chose prolia® to help make our bones stronger. only prolia® helps strengthen bones by stopping cells that damage them with 1 shot every 6 months. do not take prolia® if you have low blood calcium, are pregnant, are allergic to it, or take xgeva®. serious allergic reactions, like low blood pressure; trouble breathing; throat tightness; face, lip or tongue swelling, rash, itching orivavhappened. tell your doctor about dental problems, as severe jaw bone problems may happen or new or unusual pain in your hip, groin, or thigh, as unusual thigh bone fractures have occurred. speak to your doctor before stopping prolia®, as spine and other bone fractures have occurred. prolia® can cause serious side effects, like low blood calcium; serious infections, which could need hospitalization; skin problems; and severe bone, joint, or muscle pain. if your bones aren t getting stronger isn t it time for a new prolia.ection?y wait? 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it matters in two if your d is going to the phone, it means your data could connect with other apps on the phone. th problem i why spreading the data through millions ofes around the world, through these partnerships and not through their own app, it puts your data at risk and creates vulnerability. this is not the app on your phone that says facebook. this is a streamf data from facebook central that goes to device makers and devices around the world. ook users ohese serve people devices. but it also putss data beyond the control of facebook. all right. facebook is banned in china. so this sort of begs the question why are chinese companies being given access to facebook data? and what do the want it for? we lo the main purpose of these partnerships on t surface, ali, is tha people using thes phone and the re eager to get access to their facebook information. if nicko see his facebook account on the phone, and the phone can t support it for whatever reason, the phone can my information from my account, but also the information of all my friends and some of their frie so you quickly get up to huge amounts of information flowing onto these phones. and the question for the company is if the phones for these are getting thedata, are s actors in china getting the information? okay. walk me through this. atme if any, could facebook face for doing this? again, they have very little regulation. aside from potential lawsuits in the u.s., there s a possibility of severe problems in europe where the rules are tighter. even here in the u.s., as y nodd into a consent decree that said you can t share the information of the ers friends without asking the friends first. you got to stop doing that. and facebook has said , look, when you agree to share information with your friend on to share it with that friend on andevice they use. and that s where experts we spoke to said t not what the ftc was expecting and it defies what consumers were expecting. the ftc would fine them as well. i have to go back over the testimony from mark zuckerberg at congress as to whether he was asked any of these specific questions and didn t give the proper answer, because once again, i sort of thought that once mark zuckerberg testified at facebook, we d be done with the new revelatio bad things that facebook has th your data, but it doesn t end. it s kind of fascinating. it s like ok has found people to give our data to who i didn t know were looking for it. and they haven t owned up to it. it s shocking they didn t describe it in the testimony. zuckerberg said you control all your information and you control it and have privacy. and never mentioned these partnerships. but part of the reason is that facebook s whole idea here is that these partnerships are actually part of facebook. so they re slight of hand in my opinion is to say tha it s not important, and these aren t outside companies if facebook information is going to a phone sker is part of facebook. and so from facebook s perspective, there wasn t any breach. what is facebook saying? give us the goods on when you go back and forth with facebook pr on this, and this clearly at best is slight of hand tactics. what are they really saying to you? what facebook is saying is our entire frame for this is wrong. what they re saying is look, there s no problem here. it s no big deal. so these companies, apple, samsung, blackberry, if they re carrying this data to users who want to use facebook, it s a part of facebook. it s all facebook. there s no third party involved and no breach of the ftc consent decree, but if you look under the hood, stephanie, if you look at how it actually works, facebook s own system, its platform, treats these phones like apps, and apps are third parties. it s actually a problem between how they describe it publicly and how it works. nick, good to talk to you as always. what a story. the chinese telecom giant zte is being rescued by the united stat why? well, what happened to the concerns about zte and our national security? we ll discuss that on the other side. why? 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they seem to have a deal in principle. whether anything has been signed is the question. in terms of the penalty that thay, that includes additial purases wou make of u.s. goods, and we want the united states wants contracts signed. not just promises. that s the context around th isn t j a deal with the commerce departmtnd zte. this has larger implications about trade between china and the united es. this is really important. at its face, you could say this is absurd. the united states government, the commerce department were going after zte. if the united states wants china to play ball on trade, do they need to do something to appease the zte situation? it looks le they do. they announced a lot of changes as they try to bring the economy into a more integrated trading system. this is caught up between t united states and china. and next week is the singapore summit. they need the chinese help with north korea. that s playing in to try to reach a deal to get the chinese to help with the issues. this is what regular folk think is swampy, the deals made. we ve made it clear zte did things that are regarded as bad and gone. chinese asked the united states to do this. what the chinese offer in return? what is america getting for doing this? it s the american worker, supposededly, we re doing this for. that s the real question. the chinese be ordering more american made goods because they need more. their economy is expanding. the question is what do they do in addition to that to get the deal done? we have reported that they re going to buy another $25 billion worth of oil and coal and some agricultural products. that s not very much. it s nowhere near the 200 billion donald trump says he wants. the question is is it enough and will they follow through? they announced earlier $70 billion in additional purchases and there were no contracts signed? so china agreed to i m saying, if we say zte is back in business. we re imposing smaller fines. change your board, we re putting that in motion. what china as promised thus far, you re saying they haven t signed contracts and haven t done? they are buying things, but the direct connection isn t there, and there s no signed deal that says in exchange for this, we will do this. they are just separately saying by theway, we re to buyeoil. donald trump is on saysed is so obsessed with the trade deficit. china is promising to reduce it a little. last year they came to the united states and agreed to buy more liquid natural gas. they need it, and now the trump administration is including that in the chinese is buying more because of the pressure, but that deal was already agreed to. michael, thank you for joining us. all right. a historic moment on the job hunt. for the first time ever, there are more job in the united states than people out of work. how that can actually hurt the economy and take money out of your wallet. i just want to know how people can get higher wages. can you actually love wearing powerful sunscreen? 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what does it pay? we don t just need people to survive. we need them to thrive. mla we re moving into this part of the conversation. me too. after the mass shooling at parkland high school, the government set up a commission on school safety. education secretary betsy devos says it is not examining the role guns play in school violence. huh? that is like trying to prevent a heart attack while your cholesterol level is at 300. and, in fact, it s like trying to prevent a heart attack and never checking your cholesterol. we ll talk about that when we come back. that s what s happening here. the federal commission on school safety will not study the impact on guns on school safety. the commission was formed after the parkland shooting where 17 people were killed. here is what betsy devos told a senate committee. the role of firearms it relates to firearms in our school. that s not part of the charge per se. you re studying gun violence but not considering the role of guns. we re studying school safety and how to ensure our students are safe as well. wow. in case there s any question about whether guns play a role in school violence, let s take a quick look at number. this year there s been 17 school shootings. that s the highestumber during any year in recent history. more students have bee killed at school this year than those killed while deployed in the united states military according to the washington post. just look at last month. in four separate school shootings in may, ten students were killed. 16 others injured. if you look back, nearly 20 years since columbine in 1999, 141 students and educators were killed in their classroo another 287 have been injured. beyond the dead and wounded, what about the kids forced to witness their classmates being murdered o cower behind a locked door or behind a desk to avoid gunfire. more than 215,000 students have experienced gun violence at their school since columbine. these fro yearlong investigation by the washington post. the federal government does not track school shootings. why not? let s bring in the president of american fed ration of teachers. the second largest teacher s unn in country. do your teachers have a role in this examination. we can t figure out why if the federal government is looking into school safety, there s more people getting killed byuns in scol g by anything else in school. why is this not the top of the list, yet alone not on the list? nothing any longer surprises me about what betsy devos does. it s just it s more than ridiculous. it says to people in america that the federal government doesn t work because it is the height of hypocrisy to pretend you re doing something but then actually not do it. stephanie just said the statistics that i would have said but let s put it this way. other countries have figured this out and betsy devos is not only not letting guns be an issue in commission that was set up after the murder of children in schools by guns but she s also not going t the hearing today where you have people like abby clemons who survived the 2012 sandy hook shooting testifying. i would say to betsy is this, maybe she read the new york times today, at least she ll get some indication of what happened, the terror that happened in parkland. if you re so intent ongoing out of town and out of the cnt today to study what switzerland is doing in terms of career tech ed, why don t you study what australia and great britain are doing in terms of gun safety in schools. it s just hypocrite cal and frankly the problem is given this administration, the only thing we can do is actually not have this administration. they don t want to solve it. i understand that s your position but this is our current administration. we ve got work with who the president is. i know you wrote a letter to president trump back in february. he never him to meet with you to discuss school safety. what happened? never answered. there are issues, mental health issues wrap around services ng that we deal the issues. the red flag laws where if law enforcement or families or what governor cuomo extendt to teachers feel like a child is a clear and present danger and could be, this goes to it. there are other things question do. the problem is this. it s this is increasing right now. kids in santa believe it s a matter of when, not whether. we ll have to work with governors. we ll have to work with legislatures. we will keep trying to get them to listen but if they don t show up at their ownhearings, the only thing one can do is kind of to shame them and to make what they are doing or not doing transparent. it was definitely shocking a hear a student say we expected it. this was just matter of when. good to talk to you as always. you re welcome. thank you for watching this hour of velshi & ruhle.ruhle. i ll see you tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. i ll see you tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. time for our friend andrea mitchell. right now, missing melania. the president attacks the media. the media reports questioning the first lady s 26th day public
Business news and analysis. the book, so maybe the president could be right about that. something that the president knows he s got some backup on when pushing this issue, trish, of immigration and his national security, he was standing there with guiseppe conte, the new prime minister of italy that won office based on wanting to reform italy s immigration laws and tighten border security there. angela merkel, who is not exactly a huge fan of the president, has recently said that germany is going to tighten up its borders as well. so perhaps public sentiment is moving in a direction that the president believes if he were to pull the trigger on a government shut down, might be one that he could benefit from politically. that really would be bucking history, trish. trish: thanks, john. the president pushing ahead with his shut down threat despine warnings from gop leaders, especially with the mid-terms coming up around the corner. here with me right now, u.s.a. today congressional reporter elisa cohen. good to have you here. good to be here. trish: how serious is the president on this one? we really don t know. the president has threatened this before. he s pretty unpredictable. it s a little too close for comfortable for republicans. the government spending deadline is end of september. obviously the mid-terms are in the beginning of november. that s close on a year when they re already fighting against so much. trish: you know, typically and john made the point, that afternoon republicans get blamed for shut downs. let s face it, the american public doesn t like it. their anger gets directed at congress and oftentimes towards the party that is in the seat. this time, this is a little different. my question to you is there political motivation? the president says i really want this done and this might galvanize my supporters, my base? that s absolutely what he thinks. it probably will galvanize his supporters and his base. the problem is his supporters and his base are not enough to win an election. the republicans cannot lose his base, so they have to keep them motivated. they need those centrist republicans, the independents who will be turn off or likely in the past have been turned off by government shut downs, but this tough rhetoric on immigration. we saw this summer family separation, which is the trump administration policy, that s been unpopular in both parties, especially for those independents that every time trump is talking about immigration, talking about the wall, it gives democrats the chance to bring back family separation, which they re hoping will turn off sort of the middle voters that republicans need. trish: maybe the answer though for those republicans that might have otherwise been on the fence to find a way to get this done and then they don t have the threat of the government shut down because they give him the wall that he has promised to the american people. what are the odds of that, eliza? very low. the numbers are not in their favor. the senate is 51-49. senator mccain has been out. it s basically 50-49. they need 60 votes to pass anything in the senate that won t happen. the house there are enough republicans to move something, but they had a vote or they had two votes earlier this summer. republican-only immigration comprehensive votes. they weren t able to come to an agreement in their party. they re gone all month. so the chances are getting slimmer and slimmer of coming to an agreement, even if that is what trump is urging them to do. trish: thanks, eliza. our next guest says the president should play hardball if that s is what is needed to get the wall built. brandon judd is president of the national border patrol council. he joins me now. good to have you here. you wrote an op-ed most recently where you said this is the only distraction to us so that they can get away and later be reunited, this is an issue that we have to look at. it s a very humane issue. if we build the wall in strategic locations, we can control where illegal immigrant takes place and our country will become a much safer country. it s very necessary. trish: i m going to use economic terms in this argument. in other words, you re trying to create the right kind of incentives and trying to remove incentives for people to come here. if it s that difficult because there s a wall in the way, you re less likely to try to sneak yourself or your child across the border. if you re less likely to do it, 13 your child and yourself are less likely to come into harm via coyotes or anything else is. that your think something. we re incentivizing these criminal organizations, this is a multibillion dollar industry. it s a business. that s what it is. these individuals coming here and asking for asylum, they can do it legally. they can give their credible fear claims. it s the criminal cartels that force these people to cross the border at points other than ports of entry, which then of course drains our resources. again, that s why we need to be able to control where illegal immigration takes place. all you have to do is look at mccallan texas. over the weekend, there was this mast hysteria at a mall where it was thought it was an active shooter situation. the fbi, atf, border patrol, all kinds of law enforcement were called to the mall. turns out that these individuals, they re believed to be illegal aliens that crossed the border illegally. if we would have had a wall, it wouldn t have happened. trish: a lot of people would pick that apart and say wall is not going to do it. you need to have a lot more than just the wall. let me get to this for a moment. philadelphia has a mayor there that is scrapping the skreement that ice has in determines of data sharing. we cannot allow this continue. it s abhorrent in 2018, a federal agency engages and practices and targets law-abiding citizens. trish: what do you think of that? they re not law-abiding citizens. they cross illegally. they have broken our law. everybody will say, well, just the act of crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor crime. if it s the first time, that s correct. but everything that they do after that, if they get a job, that s illegal. a lot of things happen after the fact that sill legal. they re not law abiding citizens. trish: i want to go back to that. i think you hit the nail on the head where you want to destroy incentives for people to come here illegally. does that mean you need bigger penalties if you come here illegally? there s talks of criminalizing that. look in april of 2017. when president trump started talking about the difference sanctions that we re going to put open illegal aliens, the illegal immigration dropped to 45 year low. that is because of the fear if they crossed that would be deta detained.we didn t create policies and operations. if we had the zero tolerance policy in 2017, we wouldn t be discussing this today. trish: it s amazing, right? your country. you should have borders. you should know who is coming in and out. the idea that somehow it s considered politically incorrect to ask for that just seems like we re in a pretty strange state right now. final thought hand i have to run. it s the laws. all we re talking about doing is talking about properly enforcing the laws of the united states. that s not wrong and it should be done so we can keep the public safe. that s what we want to do. trish: thank you, brendan. i want to take a look at the dow. up 140 points. trade is the dominant issue on this market right now. well get to that later on in the show. from crumbs to just crumby. some democrats want to dump the trump tax cuts if they get control of congress. we report you might want to hide. i think we re in good position not only to take back the house but i believe even possibly the senate. of course, if we do that, then look out, president. you re in trouble. ones, chair, new laptop with 24/7 tech support. yep, thanks guys. i think he might need some support. yes start them off right. with the school supplies they need at low prices all summer long. save $200 on this dell laptop at office depot officemax. and it s also a story mail aabout people save $200 on this dell laptop and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget. that your business is our business the united states postal service. priority: you uhp. i didn t believe it. again. ooh, baby, do you know what that s worth? 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[ claps hands ] ooh i m not hearing the confidence. okay, hold the name your price tool. power of options based on your budget! and! we ll make heaven a place on earth yeah! oh, my angels! ooh, heaven is a place on earth [ sobs quietly ] of course the economy has improved and he would like to take credit for all of that. in the final analysis, when this country feels what has been done with the tax scam and what that will do for our deficit in this country, it s going to be reversed. trish: don t you love how maxine waters is a fiscal conservative, concerned about the deficit all of a sudden in tax scam. you heard that one, right? california democratic congresswoman may be down to a maybe on the president s tax cuts. i think not. okay. this coming with massachusetts senator democratic senator elizabeth warren standing by her call there to dump the trump cuts, including a possible hike on top earners. this is what you want to talk about as you head to the mid-terms? you want to talk about taking more of people s paychecks and spending it via the government? apparently they think so. we re going to christy, emily and natalie. good to see you all. what is really going on here? i just don t get how it s ever helpful to talk about taking people s money and redistributing it. i think it s fundamentally anti-american. you can go all the way back to the founding fathers and the roots of our country. it s not what we re about. the democrats try to sell this wealth distribution. that s their vision. not a single democrat offered tax relief. even though it s headed every income ladder in this country. this is a tax cut across every single income group in the united states. democrats couldn t support it to begin and now they spent every day since then saying if they get power, they want to repeal the tax cuts. they think it s a winning message. let s look at the history here. democrats lost almost 1,000 different seats in state, federal and local elections because they gave that exact same message, which is that they want to take money away from americans and spend it themselves. it s not worked at the polls and has not worked as a policy objective and won t be successful in november. trish: so christy, why do the dems keep doing it? it s a successful message. i don t see a reason we should concede the tax cuts have been good for the american worker. it hasn t. if you re the ceo of a large corporation, you ve gotten a ton of money out of the tax cuts. all right. the problem is you horded it trish: i m going to stop you. wages have gone down since they have been implemented. trish: it s not true. wages have gone up and they re continuing to rise. i m with you. i d love to see them go up. however trish: they are going up. let me also add trish: did you see the gdp? yeah. trish: 4.1%. that ain t too shabby. have you seen how many jobs we ve added to the economy? yeah, yeah. super, trish. the problem is the bonuses have been incredible anecdotal. across the board most people have not seen any bump up. that s a problem for republicans. they re not feeling it. you can laugh. it s true. trish: emily, your thoughts. a couple things here. some of these democrats are picking up on public opinion polling. you can argue. there s still mixed on the tax cuts. you can argue it s a communication issue or argue that people aren t feeling the tax cuts. at the same time, democrats seem to be latching on to this and saying they re going to campaign on this issue of higher taxes. that s never a good campaign strategy whether in california or massachusetts. trish: i would agree with you and with emily. i don t think it s a good campaign message, yet it s one that they tried unsuccessfully, although christy disputes that. we ll take it under advisement, trish. trish: and there may be a reason why one group won and the other didn t and doesn t that come down to issues of the pocketbook? right. here s the deal. you can argue that americans are not feeling the tax cut. we know they are. look at the consumer spending numbers. americans have more money and spending more money. it comes in the consumer side, the business side of things. we re seeing investment again from businesses. that s all due to the tax cut and the deregulatory environment. it s coming from ceos. trish: let me get christy in here. you say it s just ceos. nobody else is benefitting. the very tippy top that use the money in their pockets and spreading it. of course. but if you re not a ceo, a shareholder, no. you re not feeling those effects. so here s the problems with democrats. every month that say things are getting better for americans and refuse to believe it that will be at their peril in november. you re giving good advice here. you know there are ways for you to approach this, i ve talked about it before, the blue collar democrat that was once a core of your party, you have lost them. you have lost them because you re not about work right now and keeping what you earn. you re about wealth redistribution and doesn t fly. i have to leave it there. thanks so much. all of you. supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh meeting with the democratic senator joe manchin today on capitol hill. his first meeting with the democrat, but could a request by democrats delay his confirmation process? ari fleischer next. but mania, such as unusual changes in your mood, activity or energy levels, can leave you on shaky ground. help take control by talking to your doctor. ask about vraylar. vraylar is approved for the acute treatment of manic or mixed episodes of bipolar i disorder in adults. clinical studies showed that vraylar reduced overall manic symptoms. vraylar should not be used in elderly patients with dementia due to increased risk of death or stroke. call your doctor about fever, stiff muscles, or confusion, which may mean a life-threatening reaction, or uncontrollable muscle movements, which may be permanent. side effects may not appear for several weeks. 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kavanaugh arrive this afternoon. this is his 39th meeting with a senator since being nominated to the supreme court and first with a democrat. at least two other democrats are expected to meet in august. senate republicans are only requesting documents from two of the five years that judge kavanaugh was in the white house. only documents from his time in the white house counsel s office, not his staff secretary. staff secretary was the most senior job that he held. a big development came with rand paul said he s a yes on kavanaugh. paul had expressed concerns over privacy issues but today the senator believes that kavanaugh will adhere to the constitution and will take his job to protect individual liberty seriously. other republicans sound very confident about this nomination. when it comes to brett kavanaugh, i have zero doubt that he s going to be on the supreme court before the end of october. he s highly qualified, well-deserving. we re going to break the back of every democratic effort to stop this good man from being on the supreme court. that confirmation vote could come weeks before the mid-term elections putting red state democrats squarely on the spot. trish? trish: democrats demanding one million documents on judge kavanaugh. is this a delay tactic? let s go to former white house press secretary, ari fleischer to answer that. are they trying to delay? of course it s a delay tac c tactic. they want to get it beyond the election. it won t change anything. it s going to be hard to stop brett s nomination. it s a delay tactic but there s some legitimacy to it in the fact that relevant documents ought to be made public. that is an important part of the senate s process here. advice an consent. when senator schumer said they re not requesting staff secretary documents, if that is right and if that clip is all there s to it, it s a significant concession. staff secretary doesn t weigh-in on policy. he shuffles the papers around so the right papers end up on the president s desk. that s the job. so that caught my area when i heard senator shame e er sch say that. three democratic senators that are in an impossible squeeze. joe manchin from west virginia is one of them. if they vote against or treat brett kavanaugh wrong, it will kill them with the republicans in states that trump won. if they vote for brett kavanaugh, it will kill them with activist and liberal base. trish: are they running a political risk by talking to him, looking that they re hearing them out? is that how divided we are? no. the political risk is not meeting with him. they re still in this divided country and has to be room for decency and normalcy. trish:out think. even if the democrats don t like what they see from the trump white house should they continue this game of everybody being more bit tore the point that they don t meet a supreme court nominee? that is not the right way to proceed. so they should hold the meetings and make up their mind. forget the politics. the politics will be so bad either way and do what they think is right from their heart and their gut. trish: well, they liked neil gorsuch enough. one would think they would confirm kavanaugh. if you were in the white house right now and trying to handle the communications side, what would be your message? how would you speed this through if you wanted to get this done before mid-terms? well, first put it in the hands of mitch mcconnell. he knows how to do these things. you strongly defer to the senate majority leader as the white house has been dealing. second, reasonableness. there should be procurement of documents. should be a reasonable effort to make the documents available and the white house is doing that. i think they were smart to draw the line at a fishing expedition where the democrats were trying to get the staff documents, which is a way of snooping around to see what else everybody else at the white house was writing that the staff secretary ushered through. so white house is being responsive, but frankly the best thing is brett s character and brett s acumen. that s what is moving this forward. brett has to do a great job when he testifies and i m sure he will. trish: so what are the odds this gets done before mid-terms? well, it s a 51-49 senate. so i ll say the odds of getting it done are 51-49. maybe 50-49. susan collins from maine is essential. if she splits from the republicans, that would require one of those three red state democrats who voted for gorsuch to vote for cavanaugh. trish: thanks, ari. president trump trying to bury the hatchet with europe as a trade war breaks out and another u.s. company said there could be price hikes coming. the full value of your new car? you d be better off throwing your money right into the harbor. i m gonna regret that. with liberty mutual new car replacement we ll replace the full value of your car. liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty you might or joints.hing for your heart. but do you take something for 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reminded between a gdp number friday and caterpillar s earnings that this is the time to fight the fight you do it now. trish: i m glad you said it. i lock at this and i get three little kids. i want to make sure that my kids, your kids, everyone s children and grandchildren have an opportunity at the future. part of that is making sure he oh we re the best copyright now but we want to stay the world s largest economy. we don t allow china to take over that spot. if tariffs will play a role in that, i m happy to do it. i d rather fight this now when we have a leg to stand on than 20 years down the road when, you know, we re all speaking mandarin. and china is the next u.s. and we re on our way to being france or something. that is the the reality of this situation. maybe you tell me why i m wrong. you may not agree. i don t think i agree with you on the tariffs. but we could have this about entitlement reform and education reform, military reform, this cuts across. what charles said about caterpillar can withstand a little of the hurting, coca-cola said they have to raise prices. there s individuals, harley-davidson, they re struggling with the economic choices that president has made. nobody can dispute the 4.1% gdp growth. i m not sure the tariff war is the way to go here. why not? charles, if they re charges a tariff or a tax on our stuff and we re not doing it on their stuff, it s not fair. i ve been saying it the whole time. i came up as a free market guy and consider myself that. i m not going to be boxed into a set of rules. i m wearing my gloves. my opponents have brass knuckles. we have to fight this a smart way. it s a temporary thing. nobody has come with a solution to get people to the table. we know what the goal is. no tariffs. how do you get them to the table? i would say we have to be careful. there s certain companies like harley. you know, their customers in american america have gone down 50%. coca-cola s sales are down 32%. nobody is drinking soda anymore. there s individual issues when they pass this on that go beyond tariffs. but it s a wink-wink thing. president trump should articulate to the american public the further this goes along, the more pain there will be. i polled people. it s not scientific. trump voters say they understand that. many say they re willing to skip something at walmart or they re willing to pay the price. trish: i believe it. we re patriotic. you think about what our country has been through historically with actual wars. actual wars. if we re talking about a trade war and it means we ll pay more for the widgets that we buy at walmart, people would take that pain. there s a lot of farmers that are trump voters saying that wasn t the pain i thought was coming anyway. a lot of trump voters that packed him that didn t expect that they would have these healthcare woes. the rising costs. he said he would fix that. plenty of trump voters that are not thrilled with the way it s going and all of them are equally patriotic. me as well. just because you don t back the president on all of it, that doesn t say anything about your love for this country. there must be a more balanced way to do it without aggravating our allies. he s inflated trade deficit numbers. he did with it the canadians, he does with it the mexicans. trish: there s never an easy way to do this. it s easier to deal with it now while we re the number 1 economy and the biggest consumer of these goods. trish: it s the last chance to do it. it s really the last opportunity that we ll have. in ten years and china and india at the current pace will be the number 1 economies. they ll have over 50% of the gdp. if we don t do it now, we ll never have an opportunity again. trish: thanks. cbs is investigating the sexual harassment claims against les moonves. we ll have the latest next. saving you time for what you love most. kids: whoa! kids vo: safelite repair, safelite replace and it s also a story mail aabout people and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget. that your business is our business the united states postal service. priority: you trish: cbs says they re selecting an outside counsel to investigation the sexual harassment claims against les moonves. this as the stock takes another dive today days ahead of the second quarter earnings. hillary vaughn has more. hi, trish. the board met over three hours on a conference call. the future of their ceo and chairman leslie moonves is up in the air. the scandal putting the company s longstanding shareholder event at a standstill. cbs saying the board will postpone their yearly stockholder meeting that was scheduled to happen august 10. the board also will designate a commercial committee to oversee and investigation and hire an outside law firm to probe into moonves behavior and accusations. missing after this conference call, any further rebuke or statement addressing the scandal. cbs saying in their release no other action was taken on this matter at today s board meeting. this is the aftermath following a report in the new yorker claiming the head of the company harassed female employees and retaliated against the women that rejected him. the allegations span 21 years, include six women that say that moonves was inappropriate. force said he touched on kissed them. all of them claim when they rejected moonves, their careers took a hit. moonves is denying this saying in a statement i recognize there were times decades ago when i may have made some women uncomfortable by making advances. those are mistakes and i regret them. he says he knows that no means no and he has never misused his position to harm or hinder his career. cbs said this morning that an outside attorney has already been reviewed workplace culture in the news division. cbs says some of the claims in the new yorker report have been inclauded in this i don t know going investigation, but the question remains will moonves have to go, trish and if he does, the company will need to figure out who will replace him. trish: thanks. the president s war of words with his former attorney dominating the news. where is this head something we re on it for you next. a turn coat lawyer a lawyer that deserved to be disbarred for a number of his actions including recording his client clandestinedly. with our largesy of crab all year! like new crabfest combo. your one chance to have new jumbo snow crab with tender dungeness crab. or try crab lover s dream. but hurry in. cause crabfest will be gone in a snap. no mathere are over 10,000 allstate agents riding sweep. call one today. are you in good hands? trish: all right. this just in. the justice department announcing the arrest of a jordanian mexico residing in mexico. he s accused of conspiring to smuggle six yemini nationals across the border for a fee. the investigation continues. new reports that president trump there likely not sit for an interview with special prosecutor robert mueller. the war of words continues here between the president s legal team and michael cohen. rick leventhal has the latest for us right now. hi, rick. trish, we ve seen a lot of the president s attorney, rudy guliani on tv, making the case that michael cohen can no longer be trusted. calling him a pathological manipulator suggesting that he may have doctored the one reporting we ve heard of him and the president. guliani said he defended cohen before knowing what a scoundrel he was and told wallace that he has no credibility left. i should say i feel sorry for him but nobody will believe me. he destroyed himself as a witness. i prosecuted 5,000 cases. i would never prosecute his case. over the weekend, the president tweeted a screen grab of a michael cohen tweet from last july when he said he was so proud of trump jr. for being open, honest and transparent to the american people, this nonsense needs to stop. the president said you think the fake news media would have a report on this tweet from michael. last week, lanny davis said his client has turned over a new leaf and reminded everyone guliani himself approved the release of the recording writing mr. guliani seems to be confused. he expressly waived attorney client privilege last week and talked about talked about the recording for hitting all confidentiality. the government has 183 of cohen s recordings according to guliani who says a dozen directly involve the president and all of them will exonerate president trump. trish: okay. lots of recording. he does. trish: thanks, rick. how will it play out? i m just by doug byrnes, former federal prosecutor. where to start. all right. first of all, this whole idea, the tapes themselves, it s all a question of what is on it. but last time i checked, although it s kind of seedy and none of us like it, it wasn t illegal to pay off a woman that you had an indiscretion is. the point is, you have to differentiate thing that you disagree with, you think it s unseemly very susa crime. the point is, the parent company of the inquirer paid mrs. mcdougal money for her story. okay? the president s team was going to purchase the story. that s not a crime. sounds like i m being political. it s not a crime. trish: let s go to the russian lawyer then. yes. trish: junior took a meeting with the russian lawyer. is this a crime? there s many, by the way, that say total collusion. this is the smoking gun we re looking for. they have this meeting. he must have colluded with the russians. it s fascinating to watch the one-liners go back and forth. that s the difference between the courtroom and the media. everybody says collusion is not a crime. they re correct. look through the code book as major guliani says. i can t find it. the comebacker is, it could be a conspiracy charge. let me translate that. if money changes hands, people are being bribed, things like that, yeah, can it be a crime. it s like saying somebody robbed a bank. it s a crime. i m being sarcastic. the fact of the matter is, collusion is an anti trust term. because trish: a wrong term. by the way, minor point, in reverse, the democrats tried to get they just say opposition research. it s done all the time. and they paid for it. they went on to foreign soil and paid for it. it s laughable for them to have this famed outrage. you took a meeting. meanwhile, they sold the meeting like dangling the idea that it was about hillary clinton. it wasn t. it s overblown. trish: i know you have a legal background. i spoke with a former intelligence official recently. he had a very interesting point. there might be something to this. he said listen, putin is no dummy. he gets how the intel community works. do you think that he would have deliberately had this woman go waltzing in trump tower with the security cameras, the e-mails, if they wanted to infiltrate the campaign, it would have been done in a more covert way. his theory is that putin is out there dangling this for the media and politicians to pick up. it s mixing apples and oranges. the russians have been involved with this for a long, long time. transcends political lines. what a brilliant scheme. what they did is, they managed to have him win the electoral college and lose the popular vote. unbelievable the way they did that. isn t that amazing? trish: that said, the president president is looking in aggressively on what we can tell in the meetings happening and into what kind of attempts were made to influence our election. but that s very different. the interference versus collusion. two different issues. did the russians take certain actions? buy ads and so on. the other thing what did the trump campaign have to do with it. people have been aggressive saying they turned up no evidence. it s true. the counter volley back? it s not over. have to let it run its course and goes on and on. trish: is trump jr. in any kind of trouble because he made have lied underest about that meet something. any criminal defense later said i didn t tell him. somebody else did. trish: more after this. so you have, your headphones, chair,
A look at the latest news and headlines of the day features discussions of politics and culture, analysis of political correctness in Campus Craziness and. will portray the gang is a bunch of cute teenagers who ride bike bikes, listen to music and work after-school jobs. when you think of the street gang ms-13 what do youme see? may be something like this. or this. i told you that typical ms-13 gang member in the u.s. actually looks like one of these young men on facebook. they re working after-school jobs, their living with their parents, they get around long island onon bicycles. there is no indication that we are seeing a bigger surge of ms-13 then we have seen in the past. mark: ms-13 they are like high school valedictorians. he joins us, tim these guys are all over your neck of the woods. are they just like kids doing A look at the latest news and headlines of the day features discussions of politics and culture, analysis of political correctness in Campus Craziness and. it minimizes the situation that these communities find themselves in. ms-13 targets young, hispanic boys in neighborhoods that are underserved. it s incredibly important that we target these gang members with aggressive law enforcement tactics and that we also invest in gang prevention and intervention strategies so we prevent them from recruiting more members. mark: good luck with that. they have done some terrible things out in your part of long island, tim. thanks very much for joining us tonight. thank you. mark: america remains in the grips of an immigration crisis and other aspects, too. in one of the two major parties, increasingly promoting policies indistinguishable from global open borders. any effort to enforce theis country s border invites accusations of racism, even though mexico is actually deporting more people who come from honduras than the united states does. earlier this week, we saw the border patrol capture a man attempting to smuggle three brazilians into the country using a fake ems vehicle. enrique acevedo is an anchor at univision and he joins us now. enrique, this is interesting to me that mexico is allowed to deport hondurans without being accused of racism, while the u.s. isn t. why does one country get to enforce its borders, but another doesn t? you just got to look at news reports in mexico and around central america to know thatt mexico s immigration policy is highly criticized, the way they violate human rights for the central americans is also highly criticized. it has been pointed out by, i would say, hundreds of news reports and human rights reports, too.ew i don t think they are being able to get away with anything. i would just say that, despite what many people say on this network and at the white house, in terms of mexico not doing anything to help the u.s. with undocumented immigration, you just stated the fact that mexicn is importing hondurans and other central americans at a very fast pace, over 200,000 centralth american migrants have been deported. that s a lot. mark: mexico is notha deporting 200,000 hondurans to kiss up to president trump. it is doing it in its own national interest. so this is the thing, mark. they are doing it in the program and agreement between the u.s. and mexico to have mexico guard its south borders with u.s.en dollars. some of that comes from the u.s., so it is doing it in part to honor agreements with the u.s. in the u.s. government. mark: that is not why we all know the truth, or most people should know the truth about mexico, which is that it is ruled by a corrupt elite who are essentially european mexicans, mexicans of white european descent, who treat everybody else, whether they are mexican or not, appallingly. mark: it s predicted that 30% of the world s jobs are going to be outmoded by automation and robots, no developed countries needed mass immigration. as you say, we ll have that one day. thank you, enrique. thanks a lot. house minority leader nancy pelosi says that voters should back democrats in november because it will help illegal immigrants, so vote for your democrat candidate and they will let lots of people in the country to take your jobs. we are not going to be able to get it done under the republican leadership in congress. we believe that we all have leverage when we win in november. mark: leverage in november. that is intended to appeal to hispanic voters but it may not be working. polls have shown president trump s approval with hispanics to be above 30%. that is better than the vote share he got in 2016.e gave us were crumbs called the daca executive order.he and i want i think that we should really point out, and these are facts, this is notou analysis, that in 1996, president clinton signed something called the immigration reform law, which gave the legal framework for president trump to be separating families. so let me just start with those two facts, that is why president obama and nancy pelosi are traitors to hispanics. now why are hispanics now giving approval ratings? because hispanics share many of the core values that are dear to the republicans. we are god-fearing, law-abiding, we like small government, we are self-reliant, we do not want government in our lives, we fear god and we want we love this country. and mark: let me just ask you a question on that, though, elvira. because the people can have but also, the economy.tr look at what is happening with the economy right now. that is benefiting more hispanic businesses.od mark: that is certainly true. we have to leave it there, elvira. thanks very much. good luck in your race. friction between the mueller team and president trump s legal team is heating up. professor alan dershowitz will address the president s position next on tucker carlson tonight. coming, flo! why aren t we taking roads?! flo. 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it won t happen. i think what s going to happen is giuliani will make mueller an offer he can t accept, to paraphrase the godfather, and that way trump will be able to say, look, i wanted to testify but it was mueller who turned down a reasonable request by our attorney. look, no lawyer would ever allow a client to testify under these circumstances. all they have to do is ask him one question, did you know about the meeting in the trump tower with your son, if he answers that question truthfully, that he didn t known if that in fact is the truth, he could still be charged with perjury, lying to a government official because we have michael cohen who says he did know. you you never allow your client to see something that can be contradicted by another witness because the prosecution can choose to believe that other witness. mark: if you had i president trump as a client, though, he s a very gregarious guy who was quite happy to sit w down and talk and to chit-chat to anybody and thinks that as long as he is just, like, straight forward and says what he thinks, everything will be fine. often, from a lawyer s point of view, that is the worst kind of client to have, isn t it? yes. and i would certainly i m not his lawyer, obviously but i would advise him to speak to the public on television, say what he wants to say, write his tweets, although i don t think he helps himself by some of his tweets. but under no circumstances put yourself in a position where you can be charged with perjury or lying to a federal official. and if he doesn t believe me, he should make two phone calls, one to martha stewart, who went to jail because of what she said after prosecutors, and the other to bill clinton, who was impeached because of what he said in an interview under oath. and so i think every responsible lawyer would say to him, youvi should not either testify or be interviewed. look, i once gave him advice on television, i said, i have four pieces of advice, don t fire, don t pardon, don t tweet, and don t testify. mark: i want to ask you about rudy s other point, the hyperpartisan nature of what has been happening. with reference to this bruce ohr guy in the justice department, and his 60 contacts at least with christopher steele, the mi6 agent who was basically the dirty tricks operative for the democratic party. you know as well as i do that impartiality is the essence of justice, a county court judge can t have a bunch of communications with the plaintiff and not with the defendant. that is a big no-no. how come bruce ohr at the department of justice doesn t know you can t talk to one political party continuously through the height of a campaign? of course, there is a difference between a judge in a prosecutor.rece prosecutors are allowed to talk to people, and so i don t believe that mueller and his team care about whether the democrats win or the republicans win. they are not partisan in that sense. i think they are zealous, some would say overzealous prosecutors. because he is special counsel, he has a target on the back of the president and others. c if this case were handled by ordinary u.s. attorneys, and they came back after a year or two years without indicting anybody, it wouldn t be a story, no one would know. but when a special counsel is given a target and he fails to indict, he has been a failure, and that is why i am so strongly opposed to a special counsel, except of the most extraordinary circumstances, which weren t met in this case. mark: you re absolutely right about that, professor, in terms of the special counsel s office. i hope we get rid of them. thanks a lot. as a young self identified socialist, alexandria ocasio-cortez supposedly represents the future of the p democratic party. it s a strange future to behold. we need to occupy every airport, we need to occupy every border, we need to occupy everyw i.c.e. office. we look at figures and say, unemployment is low, everything is fine, right? well, unemployment is low because everyone has two jobs. why aren t we incorporating the cost of the funeral expenses of those who die because they can t afford access to health care? this, like, upper-middle-class is probably more moderate but that upper-middle-class doesn t exist anymore. their heyday was in the 90s when, like, kids had furbies ana parents, soccer moms with two vans. that is not america anymore. mark: soccer moms with two vans and funeral expenses crippling the economy. is this the sort of thing the democrats can run on, win on, and, god help us, govern on? christy setzer is the president of new heights communications and she joins us. this is the future of the party? look, i like ocasio-cortez. i think she speaks clearly, i think she speaks with moral conviction, and i think a lot of people were inspired by her and that is why she won her primary. that said, she won a primary a month ago in a congressional contest that represents the bronx and queens. this is not necessarily america. that said, i will say thaton people like her because she is this young latina woman who seemingly came out of nowhere, nobody gave her a chance, she had no endorsements, nobody in the party really got behind her, the new york times never even wrote a piece about her until after she won, and then it was, where did this lady come from? the reasons she did so well, and was able to topple somebody like joe crowley, is because of the way that she talked about issues that people cared about in her district. mark: isn t it more basic than that? you said because she is a young latina. and the democrats now, it s all about identity politics. she is a young latina, he s an old white male. he s the past, she is the future, and the fact that she talks about the 1990s like ith talk about the 1890s, and that she seriously thinks that if 50% of the workforce are doing two jobs, you have full employment, that is irrelevant. it is all identity. young latina trumps dead white male. no, i don t think so.wh but i do think for women in particular, also people of color are the ones who are furious right now, they are furious at c donald trump, they are furious at the i ll be honest the old white men who are running the republican party right now and frankly, who have a pretty big grip on the democratic party, as well. so that is why you have seen so many women across the country who have said, you know what, it is my turn, i m going to run for office now, too. and they are winning in record numbers. s so particularly so particularly in the democratic side, mark, if you see a race in which there is not an incumbent, there is a man, a woman running, women on the democratic side are winning 70% of the time. that is amazing. what that says, america wants to see more women in office, and i mark: good luck telling that to bernie and chuck schumer and nancy pelosi, because you ve got your old white issues in that party, too.hu we sure do. it s a big tent. mark: nancy pelosi is happy to take a tire iron to anyone who argues with that. thank you, christy. what on earth was going on in the new mexico compound where muslim extremists were allegedly performing exorcisms and training school shooters? 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tucker carlson tonight investigates. ryan mauro is director of the intelligence network at the clarion project.an a nonprofit that educates the public on radical islam. he has assisted authorities in this investigation and he joins us now. ryan, if you watch certain other networks, you ll find it very hard to pick up on the muslim angle to this. they are being rather coy about it, as is their wont. but the father of the principal guy here, for example, is a big shot imam who was an unindicted coconspirator in the original world trade center bombing a quarter century ago. so this has deep roots in the most extreme islamic circles here in america. right, so what is really scary about this, when someonecl from al qaeda or isis get r arrested, you know they are almost certainly a fringe player, they are not a famous imam. he is different. as soon as i started studying radical islam, he was the firsto one on my radar, because he is one of the leaders of the muslim american community, i m sorry to say. he s very radical, the type of things he has been connected to come in terms of a coalition with other groups are the typess of things that this group, this compound in new mexico, were preparing to do, were learning how to do, that type of ideology. we haven t connected the imam to that specific operation in new mexico but you don t have to. what you re talking about is the extremist infrastructure that is the hard work, the easy work iss the violent part. mark: in that sense, it seems more organized than some guy from chechnya or wherever riding his car up onto the sidewalk and mowing down half a dozen people, in other words, that sort of freelance jihadism we have become used to. did this seem something slightly more institutional? that s right. t there s really two ways that yo create this type of problem if you are a radical. first, you say, how do i create the person that holds the weapon? it s harder. you do that by pushing the ideology, the imam for example01 in 2001 spoke at an event that was literally called jihad caml for young muslims. that is public plates. when they are not shy about this, are they? they ve gotten a little better since 9/11. mark: let me ask you something because normally with school shootings, you ll see things on twitter, the las vegas thing for example, where there will be a little i m sure this will put be terrorist, his name will be ahmed, and it turns out to be the usual alienated loner. but things don t stay separate. so if school shootings are effective, at some point, jihadists will have caught onto that and want to get a piece to the action. look at how we all reacted to it. right? even if you can get the small number of casualties, doesn t matter because it s a school shooting, so they achieve the objective, and one of the ways that these groups operate aboved that ideological infrastructure, in terms of operations, they set up security companies and some of the information i have provided, i broke the story today, what i provided to the authorities, does link people from the compound to a security company.mp that is how you get weapons, that is how you get law enforcement-type training, that is how you do this type of thing. mark: that is fascinating, ryan. when you look at the compound with a piled up rubber tires, nothing to it, a lot of stuff sitting out in the desert, but it s got important connection when it comes to getting the stuff they need. thanks very much, ryan. tucker is going to come back after the break because americans are an increasingly lonely people. how did that happen and can it be fixed? 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(duracell mnemonic) mark: america is an increasingly crowded country with 325 million people concentrating more and more into a few major cities. despite that, or maybe because of it, america is also becoming a lonelier country, people havee fewer friends, fewer confidantes, and feel less connected to their communities, and that is having a big effect on the nation. vivek murthy is a former surgeon general of the united states, and tucker recently spoke to him. tucker: not making an argument against psychiatric s medication, obviously, but it s hard not to notice that the incidence of americans, number of americans on psychiatric medication is rising. but so is the suicide rate. what do you make of that? well, i think that antidepressants have a role, they have a place when it comess to addressing depression. there are a lot of folks who have benefited from them. but there is a big but here, which is that i think that we have been over time, probably overprescribing these medicines, and not looking carefully for alternatives, and for other ways to address people s depression, not looking at the causes. tucker: that s it right there. you would think when the suicide rate spikes, and it hashi measurably, we would have a national conversation about why. what do you think the cause is? i don t think there is one single cause but i think there d is one particular cause that it is contributing to depression,n, that i don t think we talk about enough, and that is social disconnection, that is loneliness, and when i began my tenure as surgeon general, if you would have told me that i would be thinking about andd talking about loneliness as much as i have, i would have told you you are absolutely wrong. but i was really educated by people all across america who i met during office, in my travels, and what i came to learn is that many of them are struggling with isolation and loneliness. they didn t always say that at the beginning of the conversation it but it became very clear that it was part of their experience in their story, that it was contributing in fact to anxiety and to depression in their lives. when i delved more deeply into the science about loneliness, or became very clear is that loneliness is not just about feelings that we may have from time to time. but when it s experienced for long periods of time, it can increase our risk for heart disease, for dementia, for anxiety and depression, and is associated with the shortening of our life span. so it turns out that people are struggling with chronic loneliness not only live shorter lives, but the mortality impact is as great as smoking 15 cigarettes a day. tucker: well, sure. there is no pleasure in it. it s a living hell being lonely. what would you prescribe for someone who was lonely? how do you fix that? the first thing, it s important to address with somebody who struggling with loneliness is getting them to talk about it, to recognize that because you are lonely does not mean that you are broken areof fundamentally flawed. tucker: do you see that technology is making us lonelier?d i think that technology is a tool that can be used to address loneliness and increase loneliness. what makes a difference is how we use technology. i think the way we are usingwh technology right now, i worry we are increasing our loneliness. one, you look at social media, and you look at the data that is increasingly coming out on social media usage and its impact on the mental health of people, you see that increased social media usage is often o associated with increased feelings of anxiety and depression. what has happened unfortunately with social media is that many people have substituted their online relationships for their off-line, in person relationships. but there s another way in which technology is playing a rolele here, which is that nearly all of us walk around with phones, with smartphones, that give us immediate access to email, text messaging, and that can be incredibly convenient. i have a smartphone and it s very, very helpful. but that phone, and our devicesi can also creep into other parts of our lives. they can come to the dinner table with us and impact the quality of the conversations we have with our family, they canth show up on the table at a restaurant when we are trying to catch up with a friend and instead they are being distracted by the messages that are popping up on our screen. t we have found that our phones and work more broadly has crept into our evening, weekends, andp vacation time, that has actually taken away from our time with family and with close friends. mark: and you can see tucker s full interview with the former surgeon general on the tucker carlson tonight facebook page. up next, it is final exam time. can you do better than two fox news pros? remembering this week s news, the contest, the battle, is coming up next. motorcycle revving motorcycle revving motorcycle revving no matter who rides point, there are over 10,000 allstate agents riding sweep. and just like tyrone taylor, they know what it takes to help keep you protected. are you in good hands? mark: you know what that music means. it is time for tucker s final exam where we test news professionals to see who is the news hero and who is the news zero. this week s contestant from fox business, and from my hometown of toronto, susan li. susan was on fox business earlier today launching the new smartphone. samsung. mark: but is she smart without the phone? few people are these days. we also have us with fox news correspondent at large geraldo rivera. he s done everything in show business except tucker s final exam. and that was intentional. he planned it that way.ss but we blocked the door so he can t get out. contestants, hands on buzzers. i will ask the question in the first one to buzz gets to answer. but you must wait until i finish asking the question. you can answer once and i ll acknowledge by saying your name and each correct answer is worth one point. but you get it wrong, you lose a point. best-of-five wins. let s get started. question one: on monday, which hollywood trump hater spent the night outside the white house singing broadway s show tunes in protest? susan? rosie o donnell. mark: let s roll that tape. the more people that show up here eventually will take over all of d.c. and he ll have no choice but to resign. [singing] mark: actually the president was in fact not in the white house but in new jersey. but he could still hear rosie from there. a wild story out of boise, idaho, folks there were shocked to look at other windows and find more than 100 of what farm animal running loose through ths city? and we go to susan again. ducks. mark: let s roll that tape. goats on the loose. residents in boise, idaho, waking up to a shocking scene. 118 goats swarming their suburban yards, completely unsupervised. what happens if you get it wrong? mark: we are back to 0-0. over 100 goats there. i believe they were fleeing rosie s medley. [laughter] let s go to question three. this is multiple-choice. an amish man in michigan is giving ridesharing apps a run for their money by launching his own business using just his horse and buggy. people in his town can secure a ride for just five bucks. what is this amish entrepreneur calling the service? is it a: rent a buggy? b: ye bid and driver? or c: amish uber? and we go to geraldo. amish uber, c. mark: let s roll that tape. meet the amish guy in southern michigan, who has dubbed himself the amish uber. very good. he drives folks around for five bucks a pop in his horse and buggy, doesn t have a cell phone, obviously, so you have to flag him down. and he is not officially associated with uber but he gets people where they are going for an abe lincoln note. mark: yeah, we could use that in new york. i hate it when you come out of a quilting bee and you are late for the barn raising and you can t find a yellow cab anywhere. so we really need that in new york. question that means that, by the way, susan, canada s reputation is now riding onan this. n geraldo takes the lead, 1-0. question four: a man wasra arrested this past week after a video went viral of him harassing a very large animal in yellowstone national park.al the man nearly got himself killed when the beast charged him. what type of animal was he harassing? susan, susan buzzed too early. she s being deported. i.c.e. are outside of the studio right now. geraldo, your turn to answer? a bison. mark: let s see that tape? taunting a bison. no, no, no. oh, no. oh, no. oh, god. oh, god. police say that raymond is beating his chest at the animal in yellowstone national park. he s had several run-ins apparently with the law atws national parks over just the last few weeks. mark: it got worse from there, afterwards, he played that bison rosie s selections from bye bye birdie . it s horrible. you don t want to see that. h final question, another multiple-choice question, a new disney movie has been banned in china because president xi is angry that people compare him to a character in the film. who is the animated character? is it a: dumbo? b: pinocchio? or c: winnie the pooh? susan? c, winnie the pooh. mark: let s see. chinese movie fans will not be able to see the winnie the pooh movie,ie christopher robin. chinese censors have banned the movie because people in the country were using pooh memes to mock president xi jingping. mark: president trump would love it if the worst thing rosie o donnell s would say about him was that he looked like winnie the pooh.ru unfortunately, despite a plucky showing by our canadian gal here, geraldo has come through for the united states of america, total humiliation. final score, america, two,er canada, one. oh, canada. 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tucker carlson is up next. mark: good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. i am mark steyn and for tucker this evening. the trump administration just unveiled its plan for a full-blown space force to be created by 2020. we ll have more of not just ahead. plus, more on the alleged islamic extremist compound in the new mexico desert. but first, president trump has highlighted his administration s efforts against the ms-13 gang. so of course, the left now supports ms-13. fox.com has published a video portraying the gang as a bunch of cute teenagers who ride bikes, listen to music, and work after school jobs. when you think of the street game ms-13, what do you see? may be something like this. or this. but what if i told you the typical ms-13 gang member in the u.s. actually looks like one of these young men on facebook? the ms-13 members that i ve been following our working after-school jobs, they are living with their parents, they get around long island on bicycles. there is no indication that we are seeing a bigger surge of ms-13 then we ve seen in the past. mark: so basically, ms-13, they are like high school valedictorians with machetes. timothy is the district attornen long island in the county s former police commissioner and he joins us. tim, these guys are all over your neck of the woods. are they just have a lack of my you find these guys dismembered and in pieces, these are some of the most vicious organized crime in the country, as you know. that s exactly right. when they commit a murder, they do it is our new message. they are incredibly brutal. one example, i already noted, the four boys, plenty of other examples. the two girls were murdered and brentwood, when we first came upon the homicide scene, the injuries were so severe, we actually thought it was a hit-and-run because of the head trauma was so significant. we need to take this gang extremely seriously and that is exactly what law enforcement is doing across the country and i applaud everyone s efforts. we are working together to target violent ms-13 gang members and we are making a difference. mark: do you think it helps when someone like boxed out, which has a lot of influence on the left, basically said, there are some people who kill people but there are a lot of nice, cute kids, going along with it as a mic with any after-school activity? no, it minimizes the threat that this street gang poses and it minimizes the situation that these communities find themselves in. ms-13 targets young, hispanic boys in neighborhoods that are underserved. it s incredibly important that we target these gang members with aggressive law enforcement tactics and that we also invest in gang prevention and intervention strategies so we prevent them from recruiting more members. mark: good luck with that. they have done some terrible things out in your part of long island, tim. thanks very much for joining us tonight. thank you. mark: america remains in the grips of an immigration crisis and other aspects, too. in one of the two major parties, increasingly promoting policies indistinguishable from global open borders. any effort to enforce the country s border invites accusations of racism, even though mexico is actually importing more people who come from honduras than the united states does. earlier this week, we saw the border patrol capture a man attempting to smuggle three brazilians into the country using a fake ems vehicle. a great day is an anchor at univision and he joins us now. henrique, this is interesting to me that mexico is allowed to deport hondurans without being accused of racism. while the u.s. isn t. why does one country get to enforce its borders, but another doesn t? you just got a look at news reports in mexico and around central america to know that mexico s immigration policy is highly criticized, the way they violate human rights for the central americans is also highly criticized. it has been pointed out by, i would say, hundreds of news reports and human rights reports, too. i don t think they are being able to get away with anything. i would just say that, despite what many people say on this network and at the white house, in terms of mexico not doing anything to help the u.s. with undocumented immigration, you just stated the fact that mexico is importing hondurans and other central americans at a very fast-paced, over 200,000 central american migrants have been deported. that s a lot. mark: mexico is not aborting 200,000 hondurans to kiss up to president trump. it is doing it in its own national interest. so this is the thing, mark. they are doing it in the program and agreement between the u.s. and mexico to have mexico guarded south borders with u.s. dollars. some of that comes from the u.s., so it is doing it in part, tell mike to honor agreements with the u.s. in the u.s. gover. mark: that is not why we all know the truth, or most people should know the truth about mexico, which is that it is ruled by a corrupt elite who are essentially european mexicans, mexicans of white european descent, who treat everybody else, whether they are mexican or not, appallingly. and isn t the reality of a legal mexican immigration that you have a essentially a corrupt ele in mexico driving the people it despises into america in much the same way as it would be if we said 20 years ago, let s flat white south africans drive all the blacks out of the country so they can have it to themselves k south africans can find somewhere else to live? is about the reality of mexican illegal immigration? welcome i know. we started this conversation by saying that mexico is importing more hondurans to their country than the u.s., and now we are saying that mexico is actually letting them through and sending them to the u.s. mexico is not sending anyone to the u.s., actually, more mexicans are coming back to their country than those emigrating into the u.s., with or without documents. mexico is part of a route that is used by central american immigrants and more and more, it is trying to enforce this immigration policy, as we cope in a humane way, which is not always the case, to try to have, and the cases of refugees, not only their right conditions, but also to let them legally request asylum and then go through and vaguely a quest asylum in the u.s. mark: but why is that in america s interest? that is a federal question, enrique. what is what it meant the american interest? mark: what does unskilled mass immigration from mexico and latin america in america s interest? as i was saying, immigration from mexico is not zero now. if that a sloth level it s been in decades. there is no math immigration from the mexico into the u.s. there is a problem central americans coming to the u.s. border. but we could have a larger debate on the benefits of immigration. i would ask you, what is so wrong about immigration? how is immigration hurting the u.s. or how is this different to other immigration in the u.s. history? mark: it s predicted that 30% of the world s jobs are going to be outmoded by automation and robots, no developed jobs needed mass immigration. as you say, we ll have that comport occasion one day. thank you, enrique. thanks a lot. house minority leader nancy pelosi says that voters should fact democrats in november because it will help illegal immigrants, so vote for your democrat candidate and they will let lots of people in the country to take your jobs. we are not going to be able to get it done under the republican leadership in congress. we believe that we all have leverage when we went back in november. mark: leverage and november. that is intended to appeal to hispanic voters but it may not be working. polls have shown president trump s approval with hispanics to be above 30%. that is better than i vote to share he got in 2016. elvira salazar is a republican who is running for congress in florida, and she joins us today. elvira, we often think that in your state, for example, cuban-americans tend to vote republican, but we see signs that actually there is a broader appeal among the hispanic a population now. it is indeed. but i want to answer to it nancy pelosi was saying, and once again, the democrats are trying to play political football with hispanics. in 2008, in 2009, president obama said to my colleague from univision, jorge ramos, that we were going to have an immigration reform law the first year of his presidency. in reality, he used his political capital to pass obamacare. so right there, the democrats, and nancy pelosi, had the wonderful and magnificent opportunity to stop this immigration reform problem that we have, or to pass an immigration reform law, and in reality, while the democrats gave us were crumbs called the daca executive order. and i want i think that we should really point out, and these are facts, this is not analysis, that in 1996, president clinton signed something called the immigration reform law, which gave the legal framework for president trump to be separating families. so let me just start with those two facts, that is why president obama and nancy pelosi are traitors to hispanics. now why are hispanics now giving approval ratings? because hispanics share many of the core values that are dear to the republicans. we are god-fearing, law-abiding, we like small government, we are self-reliant, we do not want government in our lives, we fear god and we want we love this country. and mark: let me just ask you a question on that though, elvira. because the people can have different views on that. but what i find interesting about the democrats view of hispanics, and the media s the media assume that lawful hispanics in the united states only care about illegal immigration. that, in fact, they are just ethnic solidarity voters. if you have been in this country for generations and you are hispanics can buy your most important issue is leading in lots of other hispanics. is that true, is that the only issue you guys care about? at all. it is very important for us to find a solution to those people that have lived here for more than 15, 20 years like a tps recipient. we don t want those people to be thrown out of here like cattle, because they have put roots in this country. that is why an immigration reform law is so important. it s important for us. but also, the economy. look at what is happening with the economy right now. that is benefiting more hispanic businesses. mark: that is certainly true. we have to leave it there, elvira. thanks very much. good luck in your race. friction between the carr fire man president trump s legal team is heating up. professor alan dershowitz will address the president s position next on tucker carlson tonight. -morning. -morning. -what do we got? -keep an eye on that branch. might get windy. have a good shift. fire pit. last use 0600. i d stay close. morning. get ready to switch. protected by flo. should say, protected by alan and jamie. -right? -should it? when you bundle home and auto. run, alan! .you get more than just savings. you get round-the-clock protection. of the mueller team would backfire on them. wears a sense of justice on the part of mueller, on the part of the justice department? people who hate drum were put into primary positions of power. that is completely tainted this investigation. the real story here is not that this case isn t going to fizzle, it s going to blow up on them. mark: alan dershowitz is a retired harvard law school professor and the author of the case against impeaching trump and he joins us. professor, is this interview with the president going to happen and should it happen? it won t happen. i think it s going to happen is giuliani will make mueller an offer he can t accept, to paraphrase the godfather, and that way trump will be able to say, look, i wanted to testify but it was mueller who turned down a reasonable request by our attorney. look, no lawyer would ever allow a client to testify under these circumstances. all they have to do is ask him one question, did you know about the meeting in the trump tower with your son, if you answer that question truthfully, that he didn t know, if that in fact is the truth, he could still be charged with perjury, lying to a government official because we have michael cohen who says he did know. you you never allow your client to see something that can be contradicted by another witness because the prosecution can choose to believe that other witness. mark: if you had president trump as a client, though, he s a very good, gregarious guy who was quite happy to sit down and talk and o jack to anybody and thinks that as long as he is just, like, straight forward and says what he thinks, everything will be fine. often, from a lawyer s point of view, that is the worst kind of client to have, isn t it? yes. and i would certainly i m not his lawyer, obviously but i would advise him to speak to the public on television, say what he wants to say, write his tweets, although i don t think he helps himself by some of his tweets. but under no circumstances put yourself in a position where you can be charged with perjury or lying to a federal official. and if he doesn t believe me, he should make two phone calls, one to martha stewart, who went to jail because of what she said after prosecutors, and the other to bill clinton, who was impeached because of what he said in an interview under oath. and so i think every responsible lawyer would say to him, you should not either testify or be interviewed. look, i once gave him advice on television, i said, i have four pieces of advice, don t fire, don t pardon, don t tweet, and don t testify. mark: i want to ask you about rudy s other point, the hyperpartisan nature of what has been happening. with reference to this bruce ohr guy in the justice department, and his 60 60 contacts at least with christopher steele, the mi6 agent who was basically the dirty tricks operative for the democratic party. you know as well as i do that impartiality is the essence of justice, a county court judge can t have a bunch of communications with the plaintiff and not with the defendant. that is a big no-no. how come bruce ohr at the department of justice doesn t know you can t talk to one political party continuously through the height of a campaign? of course, there is a difference between a judge in a prosecutor. prosecutors are allowed to talk to people, and so i don t believe that mueller and his team care about whether the democrats win or the republicans win. they are not partisan in that sense. i think they are zealous, some would say overzealous prosecutors, because he is special counsel, he has a target on the back of the president and others. if this case were handled by ordinary u.s. attorneys, and they came back after a year or two years without indicting anybody, it wouldn t be a story, no one would know. but when a special counsel is given a target and he fails to indict, he has been a failure, and that is why i am so strongly opposed to a special counsel, except of the most extraordinary circumstances, which weren t met in this case. mark: you re absolutely right about that, professor, in terms of the special counsel s office. i hope we get rid of them. thanks a lot. as a young self identified socialist, alexandria ocasio-cortez supposedly represents the future of the democratic party. it s a strange future to behold. we need to occupy every airport, we need to occupy every border, we need to occupy every i.c.e. office. we look at figure sensei, unemployment is low, everything is fine, right? well, unemployment is low because everyone has two jobs. why aren t we incorporating the cost of the funeral expenses and those who die because they can t afford access to health care? this, like, upper-middle-class is probably more moderate but that upper-middle-class doesn t exist anymore. they are haiti was in the 90s when, like, kids had furbies and parents had soccer moms with two book vans. that is not america anymore. mark: soccer moms with two bands and funeral expenses crippling the economy. is this the sort of thing the democrats can run on, win on, and, god help us, govern on? chris is the president of new heights communications and she joins us. this is the future of the party? look, i like ocasio-cortez. i think she speaks clearly, i think she speaks with moral conviction, and i think a lot of people were inspired by her and that is why she won her primary. that said, she won a primary a month ago in a congressional contest that represents the bronx and queens. this is not necessarily america. that said, i will say that people like her because she is this young latina woman who seemingly came out of nowhere, nobody gave her a chance, she had no endorsements, nobody in the party really got behind her, the new york times never even wrote a piece about her until after she won them and then it was, where did this lady come from. the reasons she did so well, and was able to topple somebody like joe crowley, is because of the way that she talked about issues that people cared about in her district. mark: isn t it more basic than that? you said because she is a long latina. and the democrats now, it s all about identity politics. she is a young latina, he s an old white male. she is the dash he s the past, e future, and the fact that she talks about the 1990s like i talk about the 1890s, and that she seriously thinks that if 50% of the workforce are doing two jobs, you have full employment, that is irrelevant. it is all identity. young latina trump s the dead white male. no, i don t think so. but i do think for women in particular, also people of color are the ones who are furious right now, they are furious at donald trump, they are furious at the dash i ll be honest the old white men who are runnig the republican party right now and frankly, who have a pretty big grip on the democratic party, as well. so that is why you have seen so many women across the country who have said, you know what, it is my turn, i m going to run for office now, too played and they are winning in record numbers. so particularly so particularly in the democratic side, mark, if you see a race in which there is not an incumbent, there is a man, a woman running, women on the democratic side are winning 70% of the time. that is amazing. with that said, america wants to see more women in office, and i mark: good luck telling that to bernie and chuck schumer and nancy pelosi, because you ve got your old white issues in that party, too. we shared do. it s a big tent rates. when nancy pelosi is happy to take a tire iron to anyone who argues with that. thank you, christy. what on earth was going on in the new mexico compound where muslim extremists were allegedly performing exorcisms and training school shooters? 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tucker carlson tonight investigates. ryan mauro s director of the intelligence network at the clarion project. a nonprofit that educates the public on radical islam. he has assisted authorities in this investigation and he joins us now. ryan, if you watch certain other networks, you ll find it very hard to pick up on the muslim angle to this. they are being rather coy about it, as is their won t. but the father of the principal guy here, for example, is a big shot a mom who was an unindicted coconspirator in the original world trade center bombing a quarter century ago. so this has deep roots in the most extreme islamic circles here in america. right, so what is really scary about this, when someone from al qaeda or isis get arrested, you know they are almost certainly a fringe player, they are not a famous imam. he is different. as soon as i started studying radical islam, he was the first one on my radar, because he is one of the leaders of the basel american community, i m sorry to say. he s very radical, the type of things he has been connected to come in terms of a coalition with other groups are the types of things that this group, this compound in new mexico, were preparing to do, were learning how to do, that type of ideology. we haven t connected the imam to that specific operation in new mexico but you don t have to. what you re talking about is the extremist infrastructure that is the hard work, the easy work is the violent part. mark: in that sense, it seems more organized than some guy from chechnya or wherever writing his car up onto the sidewalk and mowing down half a dozen people, and other words, that sort of freelance jihadism we have become used to. did this seem something slightly more institutional? that s right. there s really two ways that you create this type of problem if you are a radical. first, you say, how do i create the person that holds the weapon? is harder. you do that by pushing the ideology, imam for example in 2001 spoke at an event that was literally called g hard camp for young muslims. that is public plates. when they are not shy about this, are they? they ve gotten better since 9/11. mark: let me ask you something because normally with school shootings, you ll see things on twitter, the las vegas thing for example, where there will be a little i m sure this will put be terrorist, his name will be awkward, and it turns out to be the usual alienated loner. but things don t stay separate. so if school shootings are effective, at some point, jihadists will have caught onto that and want to get a piece to the action. look at how we all reacted to it. right? even if you can get the small number of casualties, doesn t matter because it s a school shooting, so they achieve the objective, and one of the ways that these groups operate above that ideological infrastructure, in terms of operations, they set up security companies and some of the information i have provided, i broke the story today, what i provided to the authorities, does link people from the compound to a security company. that is a good reference, that is how you good law enforcement type training, that is how you do this type of thing. mark: that is fascinating, ryan. when you look at the compound with a piled up rubber tires, nothing to it, a lot of stuff sitting out in the desert, but it s got important connection when it comes to getting the stuff they need. thanks very much, ryan. tucker is going to come back after the break because americans are an increasingly lonely people. how did that happen and can it be fixed? 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[singing] mark: actually the president was in fact not in the white house but in new jersey. but he could still hear rosie from there. a wild story out of boise, idaho, folks there were shocked to look at other windows and find more than 100 of what farm animal running loose? revisited? and we go to susan again. ducks. mark: let s roll that tape. goats on the loose. residence in boise, idaho, waking up to a shocking scene. 118 goats swarming their suburban yards, completely unsupervised. what happens if you get it wrong? mark: we are back to 0-0. over 100 goats there. i believe they were fleeing rosie s natalie. [laughter] let s go to question three. this is multiple-choice. an amish man in michigan is giving ridesharing apps a run for their money by launching his own business using just his horse and buggy. people in his town can secure a ride for just five bucks. what is this amish entrepreneur calling the service? is it a: rent a buggy? b he bid and driver or c: amish uber? and we go to geraldo. amish uber, c. mark: let s rule that tape. meet the amish guy in southern michigan, who is dubbed himself the amish uber. very good. he drives folks around for five bucks a pop in his horse and buggy, doesn t have a cell phone, obviously, so you have to flag him down. and he s a to is not officially associated with uber but he gets people where they are going for in a blink in note. mark: yeah, we could use that in new york. i hate it when you come out of a quilting bee and you are late for the barn raising and you can find a yellow cab anyway. so we really need that in new york. question that means that, by the way, susan, canada s reputation is now riding on this. geraldo takes the lead, 1-0. question four, a man was arrested this past week after a video went viral of him harassing a very large animal. in yellowstone national park. the man nearly got himself killed when the beast charged him. what type of animal was he harassing? susan, susan buzzed too early. she s being deported. i.c.e. are outside of the studio right now. geraldo, your turn to answer? a bison. mark: let s see that tape? taunting a bison. no, no, no. oh, no. oh, no. oh, god. oh, god. police say that raymond is beating his chest at the animal in yellowstone national park. he s had several run-ins apparently with the law at national parks or over just the last few weeks. mark: it got worse from there, afterwards, he played that bison rosie s selections from bye bye birdie . it s horrible. you don t want to see that. final question, another multiple-choice question, a new disney movie has been banned in china because president xi is angry that people compare him to a character in the film. who is the animated character? is it a: dumbo? b: pinocchio? or c: c: winnie the pooh? susan? see , winnie the pooh. mark: let s see. chinese movie fans will not be able to see the winnie the pooh movie, christopher robin. chinese censors have banned the movie because people in the country were using pooh memes to mock president xi jingping. mark: president trump would love it if the worst thing rosie o donnell s would say about him was that he looked like winnie the pooh. unfortunately, despite a plucky showing by our canadian gal here, geraldo has come through for the united states of america, total humiliation. final score, america, two, canada one. oh, canada. 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