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they lied with the world health organization, and you would think on a matter of public health they would be more honest with the world. >> john: all right, i mean you can expect china will live up to your expectations but probably get disappointed every time. so, in the absence of china saying oh, we are going to be transparent, what should the biden administration do about this? i mean, you've now got two federal agencies, the department of energy and the fbi, saying likely this came out of the wuhan laboratory. it has killed 1.3 million americans, shouldn't biden be doing something about it? >> well, i think first we need to have a directive to come to some consensus. other agencies still are questioning that, and so i would make sure within the next few months that we try to get to a consensus opinion and ask for recommendations about what action needs to be taken to make sure these kind of leaks don't happen again and make sure that there are consequences if there
that was not the consensus opinion at the time. but kyiv today looks much the same. it's incredible how resilient the ukrainian people are. they're going to fight through this winter. they're going to continue fighting russia. and with our assistance they're going to win this war. >> when you met with the ukrainian officials in kyiv, what did they tell you this he need from the u.s. and from nato allies other than the patriot missile defense system? >> well, they made the point that their needs have changed over time. if you remember when the war kicked off they wanted stinger missiles because they were so concerned about russian fighter jets and bombers in the skies. we got them those and they were essential in the early part of the conflict. but then they wanted advanced artillery systems to start taking territory back from the russians. now they need patriot missile defense to protect against this onslaught against their energy infrastructure. but i suspect in the future they're going to need more offensive systems. they may be requesting things like tanks and armored personnel carriers to go against the
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once the litigation was complete. >> in my view upon the conclusion of litigation was when i began to plan for life after the administration. >> i told him that i did believe, yes, that once those legal processes were run, if fraud had not been established, unfortunately i believed that what had to be done was concede the outcome. >> a crush of evidence there shown by the january 6th select committee in their public hearing today of all of the people around donald trump. it's hard to find anyone who disagreed with the consensus opinion that he had lost and should concede. let's bring in luke broadwater, congressional reporter. he was inside today's hearing. tell my from your vantage point what jumped out at you today? >> reporter: i was pretty shocked at some of the text messages and communications they
ivanka, and his son, don junior, wanted him to call off the riot. some of trump's most vocal defenders on fox news including sean hannity and laura ingraham were pleading with then chief of staff mark meadows to get trump to step in and end the violence. and for a short time after the attack, it felt like it was a real breaking point for many members of the republican party. there was a consensus opinion, the correct one, that donald trump is uniquely dangerous and what he did by enabling this insurrection crossed a line that simply cannot be tolerated in american democratic politics. and that moment has since been memory holed over the last year, but it's worth remembering that a number of very prominent republicans either resigned from the trump administration or publicly condemned the then sitting president following the attack. then, treasury secretary steve mnuchin and then secretary of state mike pompeo even reportedly considered evoking the 25th amendment to remove trump from office in his final days.
much sooner. another journal report, also confirmed by nbc news, revealed that u.s. diplomats in kabul urged the state department to begin evacuations last month. president biden responded to that report yesterday. >> i made the decision. the buck stops with me. i took the consensus opinion. the consensus opinion was that, in fact, it would not occur, if it occurred, until later in the year. so it was my decision. >> now, calls are growing from some democrats to eliminate that august-31st evacuation deadline. we will talk to the congresswoman leading that charge, in just a moment. president biden inherited the afghanistan withdrawal agreement from his predecessor, former-president trump. tonight, we expect to hear from mr. trump in his first public address since that process began. you can see some of the warm-up acts at the rally in alabama. about halfway between birmingham and huntsville.
u.s. is considering ordering commercial airlines to help out. ordering them. "the wall street journal," first, reported this. now, those commercial flights would not go to kabul, but rather to secure locations in the region before arriving in the u.s. here's where the evacuation effort stands right now. in the last 24 hours, about 3,800 people have been flown out of afghanistan. that brings us to approximately 17,000 evacuees in the last week. and hours ago, we learned that five flights left kuwait en route to the u.s. they were carrying more than 850 americans and embassy personnel. still, critics maintain that this effort should have started much sooner. another journal report, also confirmed by nbc news, revealed that u.s. diplomats in kabul urged the state department to begin evacuations last month. president biden responded to that report yesterday. >> i made the decision. the buck stops with me. i took the consensus opinion. the consensus opinion was that,
forces likely would not be ablee to stop it. watch. >> all kinds of cables, all kinds of advice. if you noticed, they ranged from this group saying -- they didn't say fall when it did fall, but saying that it would fall to other, others saying i wouldn't happen for a long time and would be able to sustain through the end of the year. i made the decision. the buck stops with me. i took the consensus opinion. the consensus opinion was that, in fact, it would not occur if it occurred until later in the year. so it was my decision. maria: and according to new york times defense secretary lloyd austin as well as general mark milley also warned biden that this would happen and yet he ignored those warnings. joining me right now former secretary of state mike pompeo. he worked in february 2020 helping president trump negotiate a peace deal with the