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away from home. >> this is what she wanted to do, and she was not homesick. i said, okay. >> it was only an hours drive away, if she needed them. her first year was just fine, so in september 2009, when shelley was in year two with a circle of friends, even a boyfriend, her parents felt free to set off on their first real adventure alone, far from home, just the two odom, a road trip to yellowstone national park, more than 1400 miles from italy. >> cynthia was texting her on the phone, we're leaving texas now, and she said to each one of the girls, rachel and shauna responded almost immediately, no word from shelley. we thought, well, he is probably still asleep, though she did not have class today. so, that was not really unusual at the time. it was not until later in the

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evening that we thought something might be wrong, because we have not heard from her that was not like her at. >> what was that like? >> it was torture. >> she had a premonition that something was wrong, but i -- what would happen to shelley? she never goes anywhere. she stays in her room. the only goes out when she has to. so, the next morning, when she still had not called, that's when we both got worried. >> i think the next morning, cynthia called the art institute. >> we found out that shelley was and class, and actually, they would not go check on her. they said they can't leave the office a lot to go check on a class and a half or call us. >> that i recall. >> then, they phoned shelley sister, shauna. >> i told them, stop worrying about her, she's 20 years old, she does not want to talk to her mom. i really did not think anything bad would happen to her, so i brushed it off.

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the truck. we were in the middle of the freeway, there was no way to cross. i wanted them to cross immediately, and get back, we needed to get back. we did not do anything, we should have been there. we should have been there. >> it kind of feels like year guts were kicked out from the inside. that is about the best description, it hurts your whole soul. >> as they race back towards texas, cynthia's cell finally returned. she called the police and got the confirmation that shelley was that. so, again, she phoned shauna. >> i had to tell her little sister that she was dead, on the phone. i needed somebody to be there to be in my place, to be there

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sure it's speaking indictment. sure the jack smith has written in a indictment so we can understand the story in what happened. and we understand the obstruction which goes to the basic credibility of the entire indictment. but also know that there i'm sure that there is more evidence that they have that you're keeping close to the. vast which will come out at trial. the other is of course he's going to say the rule law applies to everyone. and it does. we should celebrate that right now. that our justice system has taken us serious in-depth look at exactly this conduct of the president, and it's come out with a serious straightforward indictment that we can all read. and we can all be involved in this process in this civic lesson about how our justice system works. >> cynthia, robert ray has also

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vice president of the united states, that's it, i'm not suggesting that a president or vice president is above the law, prop far from it. but the operation applies to a president is different, people need to recognize that. that's all i'm saying. >> robert ray, thank you for your time. i wish we had more of it. good to see. >> i appreciated. >> i want to bring in former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, cynthia alksne, cynthia, thank you for joining on this. you just heard the former presidents attorney there on his first impeachment. some of the arguments he's making there are specially about this indictment. therethe fact that it's just an indictment after all. it needs to be proven to the court of law. what is some of your reaction to what you just heard? >> well, couple of. things one of the reactions is of course he's. right it's just an accusation. and the evidence is there for us all to read. recognize what happens the trials that there's more evidence. usually there is less evidence in the indictment than there is in the courtroom. you don't put all of your cards on the table.

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Lummis speaks on Veteran benefits after Fiscal Responsibility Act

Now that the Fiscal Responsibility Act has been voted upon and passed, many Wyomingite Veterans are concerned about how this might affect them. We reached out to our U.S. Senator Cynthia Lummis, who stated that even though she voted against the bill. Wyoming Veterans will remain unaffected by the cuts in their benefits and federal programs.

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and justice department personnel who were working on the federal probe is investigating him. trump said that he wanted the doj to purge those officials, if he was reelected. and on top of all of that, there is new anxiety within the trump legal team that someone among them is a double agent. and already cooperating with federal investigators. who knows? how did he even get that recording in the first place? my panel is back with me. cynthia, let me start with you with evan corcoran here. based on this guardian reporting, you've got this former trump lawyer saying that he was told that mar-a-lago's storage room was the only situation where classified documents were stored. he was waved off from searching other locations on the property. if you are jacks mitt, what do you make of that? >> what i make of it is with jack smith has already made of, it is that he has figured out that there is a crime fraud

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he was also accused of mishandling classified material, and nbc news now reports that the justice department has closed its investigation into pence, with no charges filed. i guess you can make the argument that mike pence did things by the book. he returned the materials to the authorities, he agreed to cooperate with the investigators, in fact, he even sat down for an interview. now that that investigation has run its course, he can actually put that matter behind him. the same can't be said for donald trump. let's bring in my panel this evening, former congressman -- former federal prosecutor and melissa murray, professor of law at new york university and co-host of the strict scrutiny podcast. all three are msnbc analysts. it's great to have all of you with us. cynthia, let me start with you on this. break down these latest developments for us and the impact at this tape could have on jack smith's case. >> well, first of all, just

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of this document may underscore this. it means that our allies cannot trust us with this kind of information going forward. so it makes it much harder for members of the intelligence community to function, and to work with foreign intermediaries to keep us safe. so again, there is a lot here and all of it goes to the question around the nature of -- which is about preventing national security information from being handled -- compromising the national security more broadly, and focuses on the idea that those in control of these documents have to control them safely and cannot withhold them willfully or knowingly. >> it's such an important point that you brought up, which is besides the legal aspect of all of this, our allies are watching thinking my god, if we gave the americans any secret information, they might end up in mar-a-lago and who knows where else. cynthia, after this news broke, it was expected on mike pence, the news broke that mike pence's investigation being dropped, you had trump react on

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compromising the national security more broadly, and focuses on the idea that those in control of these documents have to control them safely and cannot withhold them willfully or knowingly. >> it's such an important point that you brought up, which is besides the legal aspect of all of this, our allies are watching thinking my god, if we gave the americans any secret information, they might end up in mar-a-lago and who knows where else. cynthia, after this news broke, it was expected on mike pence, the news broke that mike pence's investigation being dropped, you had trump react on truth social, he did it quickly. he posted this asking, what am i going to be fully exonerated? i am at least as innocent as he is. let's talk about the differences in these cases. i think time it makes people forget. these are very different cases, and even if there were any similarities, donald trump was asked to hand over documents, asked to cooperate, the only reason why we are at this point is because the subpoena was issued when him and his lawyers did not cooperate and ultimately that led to the fbi raid. very different, even if they started from the same point, the result and the outcomes have been very different. >> right. i don't think they start at the same point, but let's just say

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