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>> for a little perspective, it took two years, millions of dollars and help from a nuclear submarine to recover air france flight 447 when it crashed in 2009. and in that case, searchers found the wreckage of the plane just a few days after it crashed. the man who helped find it, he joins us next. [ male announcer ] how can power consumption in china, impact wool exports from new zealand,
>> no, i wouldn't think so. you have to find something when you go into the hard drive, find something suspicious. the fact that he has a simulator in the house, that works for me. some pilots want to relax when they're offdutoffduty, but othe just so into it they want to play with these things. i have so many friends who have these simulators just because they're nuts about them. they love them. >> that's an important context. some people thought that was it, just the fact that it exists. we haven't seen that be the case. thanks for your time tonight. appreciate it. >> sure. >> coming up, we have the man who led the search for air france flight 447 in the atlantaic. joins us to talk about what it will take to locate the plane in the indian ocean, as i mentioned earlier. and someone finally asked chris christie why did he fire bridget kelly. it was a constituent in a town hall and he joins us for a "last word" exclusive.
she says this illustrates a military justice system in dire need of independence from the chain of command. it's not only the right thing to do for men and women in uniform but would also mitigate undue command influence that we've seen when survivors and defense attorneys both agree we need to reform the system, it should tell us the system needs reform. let me just briefly say for folks who are learning about this, undo command influence is simply the idea that when the president or other commanders mention that they want, for example, justice for victims of sexual assault, that can actually be invoked within the military courts as a reason to alter or dismisa case. that's just one piece of this. the other taking it out to more independent courts. what do you think could be the benefit of that approach? >> we all know the begs justice is blind justice. decisions by impartial people who have no involvement. the military system is the exact opposite. you're letting nonlegally
versus being sort of dual use? >> sure. i can't speak too much to the military hardware, but listening, i think the military hardware is mostly listening for the pinger and identifying objects on the surface of the ocean. you know, radar is pretty good. in terms of the scientific equipment, i can tell you that this is exactly what we do as scientists. in fact, there was a survey at the top of this very ridge. i don't know who did it yet. i'll check that out. these kinds of terrains and this kind of mapping is not unusual for us. except normally we're being driven by scientists asking questions. in this case it will be an investigator, a team of investigators asking questions. >> briefly, just compare this effort to the international cooperation in your effort. because we have seen both
and that push for reform has gained some real traction. two high profile sexual assault cases unravelled, renewing concerns that the military cannot police its own. a mid shipmen was found not guilty of sexual assault while a brigadier general was fined and spared any jail time, despite admissions of several violations of military rules including adultery, relationships with subordinates, disobeying a commander's order and misusing a government credit card to trips to see the woman in question. the case was only the third time an army general of that sort has faced a court-martial in 60 years. while that kind of enforcement may be rare, the crimes against female service members are not. over 26,000 service members say they experienced unwanted sexual contact in 2012 alone. and that, as you see up there on the screen is according to the pentagon's own figures. last week, the senate did pass legislation from claire mccaskill who establish new
a mid shipmen was found not guilty of sexual assault while a brigadier general was fined and spared any jail time, despite admissions of several violations of military rules including adultery, relationships with subordinates, disobeying a commander's order and misusing a government credit card to trips to see the woman in question. the case was only the third time an army general of that sort has faced a court-martial in 60 years. while that kind of enforcement may be rare, the crimes against female service members are not. over 26,000 service members say they experienced unwanted sexual contact in 2012 alone. and that, as you see up there on the screen is according to the pentagon's own figures. last week, the senate did pass legislation from claire mccaskill who establish new rules on how victims and defendants can be treated and that bill removed the ability of defendants accused of sexual misconduct to invoke something called the good soldier defense. but senator gillebrand's bill
their own. we've got to reform the system if we're going to change these type of dismal results. >> yeah. and let me bring from senator gillebrand's proposal and many of our viewers have seen her on several showers discussing this issue. she says this illustrates a military justice system in dire need of independence from the chain of command. it's not only the right thing to do for men and women in uniform but would also mitigate undue command influence that we've seen when survivors and defense attorneys both agree we need to reform the system, it should tell us the system needs reform. let me just briefly say for folks who are learning about this, undo command influence is simply the idea that when the president or other commanders mention that they want, for example, justice for victims of sexual assault, that can actually be invoked within the military courts as a reason to alter or dismisa case. that's just one piece of this. the other taking it out to more independent courts. what do you think could be the benefit of that approach?
>> yeah, and how does the depth of the water and the terrain compare to basically where your team actually found that wreckage of the air france flight? >> sure. air france was about -- the terrain was extremely rupged, probably the most mountainous -- rugged mountain terrain on the planet. with the greatest depth down to about 6,000 meters. in this case, it's an east-west trending underwater volcanic ridge. it's called the southeast indian ridge. and the top of it is about a mile and a half, and then on either side goes down to about three, four miles. it's a lotless rugged, though. so it's a smoother terrain. it still has its lumps and bumps but not as much as the france 447 terrain. >> we're talking about how this military equipment is being used but isn't designed explicitly for this purpose, which makes sense but also leaves you wondering okay, how good is it? can you give us any insight into that? how much of this equipment is tailored towards this kind of search?
>> yeah, and how does the depth of the water and the terrain compare to basically where your team actually found that wreckage of the air france flight? >> sure. air france was about -- the terrain was extremely rupged, probably the most mountainous -- rugged mountain terrain on the planet. with the greatest depth down to about 6,000 meters. in this case, it's an east-west trending underwater volcanic ridge. it's called the southeast indian ridge. and the top of it is about a mile and a half, and then on either side goes down to about three, four miles. it's a lotless rugged, though. so it's a smoother terrain. it still has its lumps and bumps but not as much as the france 447 terrain. >> we're talking about how this military equipment is being used but isn't designed explicitly for this purpose, which makes sense but also leaves you wondering okay, how good is it? can you give us any insight into that? how much of this equipment is
tailored towards this kind of search? versus being sort of dual use? >> sure. i can't speak too much to the military hardware, but listening, i think the military hardware is mostly listening for the pinger and identifying objects on the surface of the ocean. you know, radar is pretty good. in terms of the scientific equipment, i can tell you that this is exactly what we do as scientists. in fact, there was a survey at the top of this very ridge. i don't know who did it yet. i'll check that out. these kinds of terrains and this kind of mapping is not unusual for us. except normally we're being driven by scientists asking questions. in this case it will be an investigator, a team of investigators asking questions. >> briefly, just compare this effort to the international cooperation in your effort. because we have seen both excitement and interest in people around the world trying to work on this but also a lot of frustration. >> in the early days of the air france 4477 investigation, there was a -- some similar confusion. we didn't join the fray until