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the russian population as well. because we need to understand that vladimir putin is leading two wars at the same time, against ukraine and against russia. and there is also belarus. that's very much involved as well, because the number of political prisoners in belarus is growing just as quickly as it does in russia. but if i may, if i may, evgenia, you raised a very interesting point about what is going on inside russia. and i'm very mindful that when vladimir went back, you know, in the six weeks, two months after the invasion of ukraine, he said it would be, to use his word, cowardly, not to be side by side with those brave russians who were protesting the war. and at the time, it is true that there were thousands of russians in different towns and cities who were prepared to go to the streets and voice their opposition. but we, frankly, see very little of that today. and i'm just wondering
right. and i believe that those are the things that show that, yes, there are no mass protests, it's true. whether i would like to see them in the streets, of course i would. of course i would. i would love to see millions in the streets. and i hope that those people are just waiting to see an opportunity for a change. right. now, in the meantime... erm. in the meantime, evgenia, much of your work is focused, of necessity, outside of russia, particularly in the united states, where you've had a whole series of meetings with congressmen and women, you've been in europe, you've talked to uk ministers, ministers in other western governments, trying to get them to do even more when it comes to the sanctions regime, the isolation, particularly the economic isolation of russia.
against the evil. and we need to do everything in our power to help them. and we need to... everyone who has an opportunity to act, like i believe i do right now, anyone who is able to help in any way has to stand up and do something. and that is my hope, that if we work together to bring down the regime, it will collapse, sooner or later. and evgenia kara—murza, i thank you so much forjoining me on hardtalk. we have to end there. thank you. thank you very much. hello again. there wasn't that much
is my guest today. has putin's repression effectively neutralised meaningful opposition? evgenia kara—murza in washington, dc, welcome to hardtalk. thank you very much for having me here. it's a pleasure to have you on the show, and i must begin by asking you about the condition of your husband, vladimir. he's been imprisoned in russia since last april. what can you tell me about his current condition?
william "rick" singer was convicted of funnelling money from wealthy parents to university coaches — to secure a place for their children at various elite american colleges. now on bbc news, it's hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk. i'm stephen sackur. in russia, voicing opposition to putin's war in ukraine is a crime. it can mean years injail. imagine, then, the resolve of a russian opposition activist who returned to his homeland after the ukraine invasion in order to speak out against the putin regime from within. not only that, vladimir kara—murza had already survived two apparent poisonings inside russia. he is now languishing in a russian prison. his wife, evgenia kara—murza,
poisonings inside russia. he is now languishing in a russian prison. his wife, evgenia kara—murza, is my guest today. has putin's repression effectively neutralised meaningful opposition? evgenia kara—murza in washington, dc, welcome to hardtalk. thank you very much for having me here. it's a pleasure to have you on the show, and i must begin by asking you about the condition of your husband, vladimir. he's been imprisoned in russia since last april.
continue working both inside the country and outside of the country, trying to encourage protest, offering support to those who do protest and end up in prisons or in psychiatric hospitals. there are organisations like memorial or 0vd—info or mediazona or others, who raise awareness about mass political persecution in russia and about the methods used by the regime against protesters. right. and i believe that those are the things that show that, yes, there are no mass protests, it's true. and i believe that those are the things that show that, yes, there are no mass protests, it's true. whether i would like to see them in the streets, of course i would. i would love to see millions in the streets. and i hope that those people are just waiting to see an opportunity for a change. right. now, in the meantime... erm. in the meantime, evgenia,
decades, we're seeing what we're seeing. an extremely atomised, depoliticised society that believes that the only way to survive this is to keep quiet and somehow, yeah, somehow fight for survival. so, i have to... sadly, we're almost out of time, evgenia. i have to end because i'm so mindful that this is very personal and very difficult for you. i have to end with just a personal thought. you've described the difficulties that you and vladimir have confronted. vladimir is now in prison, faces the possibility of a very long prison sentence. where's the hope? the hope is, the hope is in the fact that everyone has finally realised or was forced to stop closing their eyes to who mr putin truly is. and now we understand that we're basically in the same world, because ukrainians are obviously not fighting forjust their land. they're fighting for democracy. they're fighting this global fight of the good
since then, all the elections have been, have been stolen. at the end of those two decades, we're seeing what we're seeing. an extremely atomised, depoliticised society that believes that the only way to survive this is to keep quiet and somehow, yeah, somehow fight for survival. so, i have to... sadly, we're almost out of time, evgenia. i have to end because i'm so mindful that this is very personal and very difficult for you. i have to end with just a personal thought. you've described the difficulties that you and vladimir have confronted. vladimir is now in prison, faces the possibility of a very long prison sentence. where's the hope? the hope is, the hope is in the fact that everyone has finally realised or was forced to stop closing their eyes to who mr putin truly is. and now we understand that we're basically in the same world, because ukrainians are obviously not fighting forjust their land. they're fighting for democracy.
to survive this is to keep quiet and somehow, yeah, somehow fight for survival. so, i have to... sadly, we're almost out of time, evgenia. i have to end, because i'm so mindful that this is very personal and very difficult for you, i have to end with just a personal thought. you've described the difficulties that you and vladimir have confronted. vladimir is now in prison, faces the possibility of a very long prison sentence. where's the hope? the hope is, the hope is in the fact that everyone has finally realised, or was forced to stop closing their eyes to who mr putin truly is, and now we understand that we're basically in the same world, because ukrainians are obviously not fighting forjust their land. they're fighting for democracy. they're fighting this global fight of the good against the evil. and we need to do everything in our power to help them. and we need to... everyone who has an opportunity to act, like i believe i do right now, anyone who is able to help in any way has to stand