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is a certain kind of awe and resentment of manhattan and those rich people. - rudy represented the kind of every guy who came from the boroughs and came to new york and made it big. - if you are a person that's looking at a snow globe, if you will, from the outside, even if you end up inside the snow globe, you always feel like an outsider. - giuliani didn't come from the upper-crust establishment. that may have fueled his ambition. did it also contribute to some deep sense of insecurity that he was an outsider, and in that, maybe he does identify with trump. - rudy giuliani is born in east flatbush in brooklyn in the '40s, so not very far in time and not very far in distance from where donald trump was born. - he was the first and only child of harold and helen.
some people voted eight and ten times. - and it really struck me, because it was something that giuliani didn't carry on a lot about at the time. he may have said it here and there, but it's not something he made a big issue. - it did not define him in 1989. i think he still had enough internal discipline, connection to the real world, whatever you want to call it, that he didn't define himself as a person who had an election stolen from him. - from now on, i will believe the people, not the wisdom of the pollsters. - every step in his career was natural from what had happened before. i don't think there was ever a time when i thought, "oh, wow, rudy is now finished." i never thought that, even when he lost. - from that night, giuliani started his second campaign for the next four years. - "people say this can't be done? screw them. i'm gonna show you that it can." there is this tight sense of, it's us against the world. let's show the world what assholes they are.
i thought we were either gonna win it by a very little bit or lose it by eight or ten points. having never been through it before, i didn't know which to believe, the polls or the enthusiasm of the people. - it didn't get a lot of attention. and so it didn't really spring forward until the trump era. we cannot allow these crooks to steal an election from the american people. when i ran for mayor of new york city the first time, some people voted eight and ten times. - and it really struck me, because it was something that giuliani didn't carry on a lot about at the time. he may have said it here and there, but it's not something he made a big issue. - it did not define him in 1989. i think he still had enough internal discipline, connection to the real world, whatever you want to call it, that he didn't define himself as a person who had an election stolen from him. - from now on, i will believe the people, not the wisdom of the pollsters. - every step in his career was natural from what had happened before. i don't think there was ever a time when i thought,
is a certain kind of awe and resentment of manhattan and those rich people. - rudy represented the kind of every guy who came from the boroughs and came to new york and made it big. - if you are a person that's looking at a snow globe, if you will, from the outside, even if you end up inside the snow globe, you always feel like an outsider. - giuliani didn't come from the upper-crust establishment. that may have fueled his ambition. did it also contribute to some deep sense of insecurity that he was an outsider, and in that, maybe he does identify with trump. - rudy giuliani is born in east flatbush in brooklyn in the '40s, so not very far in time and not very far in distance from where donald trump was born. - he was the first and only child of harold and helen. they'd had trouble conceiving.
and he said well, if you tell me no, i don't want to do it. this was a fascinating thought experiment where rudy giuliani's line is. in the coup plot. take us inside the importance of these facts. >> well, first, those are direct quotes from rudy giuliani's deposition testimony that he gave to the january 6th committee. and his pitch during that deposition was, i was against this crazy idea, this thing that eric hirschman just said. i was against this idea of an executive order allowing the seizure of machines. so the portion that you read, mr. giuliani is claiming pedal the president in this meeting, this is crazy. you can't do it. this would really get you impeached. this would be a basis for impeachment. what's interesting is that rudy giuliani was intimately involved in drafting the executive orders and the january 6th committee uncovered emails back and forth between the people drafting that, those executive orders before they were presented to the public at that december 18th
meeting. in fact, he was on the phone with the white house while those drafts were being circulated and he sent a draft on december 17th to the president's executive assistant with the same language that he then claims in his deposition would have been so crazy, it would have gotten president donald j. trump impeached. it's quite a tangled web involving rudy giuliani's involvement with the seizure of the machines. >> he's been charged by fonnie willis. he's not charged by the federal government. we understand he went in and shared some information with the federal government, which is insane, considering his former jobs in government. what do you make of his indictment yesterday? and as you said, your intimate knowledge of his instrumental role in aiding trump and being the tip of the spear, trying to overturn trump's defeat? >> mr. giuliani? >> yes. >> yeah. so he was as noted, he was
involved in drafting the executive orders, claiming that he had nothing to do with it. i noticed that his lawyer was quoted this week as saying with respect to coffee county, when there was reporting that trump's team was intimately involved in the seizure of the voting machines, that mr. giuliani had nothing to do with sidney powell's crack pot ideas, was his quote. but we know from witness testimony that at that december 18th meeting, mr. giuliani, as i said earlier, made reference to the fact that he would be getting access to voting machines voluntarily so there's no need for this executive order. we also know that there was some follow-up emails and discussions where miss powell was complaining to mark immediate bows the fact that mr. giuliani didn't come through with that access to the machines. later, probably two weeks later that the coffee county crew gets in to get access to the machines and that is what is spelled out in the indictment. so really involved in that
process all along the way, mr. giuliani was on steve bannon's podcast on the 19th. then on the 22nd of december, talking about the machines, that's the key that will turn it all around. once we get access to the machines. to say that he had nothing to do with sidney powell's crack pot idea is belied by the facts. >> frank figliuzzi, i want to be sure that i don't press my nose too quickly against the glass to miss the bigger picture of all of this. the idea that chris krebs, lifelong republican, is fired, because he goes out and publicly announces that he has done his job and he has overseen the most corrupt election in u.s. history. and then trump's allies including his top campaign official, rudy giuliani, are the ones breaking into voting machines is off the charts
hillary clinton had some mis te tears illness. >> hillary clinton illness, take a look at videos yourself. >> reporter: his behavior prompted this politico headline, is rudy giuliani losing his mind? things only got more strange from there. >> here you go, my dear. >> reporter: in october 2020 he made a bizarre cameo in sasha barren cohen's second borat movie, giuliani in a hotel room outfitted with hidden cameras. on twitter he defended himself calling the hidden camera video a complete fabrication. after trump lost the 2020 election, giuliani claimed trump won, and pushed false claims about voter fraud. it all reached a bizarre kre zen doe at this now imif a mouse, flanked by trump's team, and four seasons total landscaping outside philadelphia giuliani didn't offer any proof the election had been stolen as he promised. >> there are dead people voting. no question about it. >> reporter: in a later news
>> reporter: his behavior prompted this politico headline. is rudy giuliani losing his mind? things only got more strange from there. in october 2020, he made a bizarre cameo in sasha barren cohen's second borat movie. that's giuliani in a hotel room outfitted with hidden cameras. on twitter he defended himself calling the hidden camera video a complete fabrication. after trump lost the 2020 election giuliani claimed trump won and pushed false claims about voter fraud. it all reached a bizarre crescendo at this now infamous november 2020 press conference. flanked by trump's legal team and held in the parking lot of four seasons total landscaping outside philadelphia, giuliani didn't offer any proof the election had been stolen as he promised. >> there are dead people voting, no question about it. >> reporter: in a later news conference sweating and with hair dye running down his face, giuliani still offered no evidence of voter fraud and