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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell-20220111-06:07:00

georgia. . this >> lawrence i think i should get some cod credits for this. two >> okay you will. neil, i want to get your reaction to rachel's breaking news in the previous hour, about donald trump's criminal defense attorneys, meeting with the district attorney's office, in georgia. >> lawrence i have two reactions, the first is, it's good to see georgia doing what the united states justice department should have been doing for the last year, which is investigate what looks like a bunch of potential crimes by donald trump. maybe the u.s. justice department is, we still don't have any evidence of it. but that brings me to the second point which is, it's really good news, that georgia is investigating this. and it's very bad if you're donald trump, to have this. this is a very serious thing, to have your lawyers go in and meet with criminal investigators, that's not something that happens cavalierly. it certainly never happens in my lifetime, or laurence i suppose yours as well. and most of our viewers.

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell-20220111-06:00:00

for what they're doing to make it harder to vote in that state. this is happening of course is senate democrats have renewed their federal level to try to patch new protections for voting rights. senate democratic leader chuck schumer has said, martin luther king, day a week from, today is the deadline for democrats to vote on changing the senate filibuster rules, in order to get those bills passed. the pressure here is intense, a coalition of voting rights groups that helped biden win georgia in 2020, that group, those groups, have essentially told the president in a statement, don't show up in georgia without a plan to get these plans passed. some plants planned to boycott this president speech tomorrow in atlanta. msnbc will have live coverage of the president speech tomorrow. it is expected to start shortly before 4:00 eastern. we'll see there. that does it for us tonight, though we'll see you again tomorrow, now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. gleaming lawrence. >> good evening rachel, and your breaking news tonight about donald trump's lawyers being engaged with, the

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell-20220111-06:05:00

lawyers, once the attack was underway, wouldn't somebody who's a reasonable person say, that's not what i meant? the judge was wondering why donald trump never said that, to those people attacking the capitol. you're not doing what i wanted you to do. he never said that. donald trump's lawyers argued that anything said, as president, can never be the subject of a lawsuit. and as lawyers do, when they think one argument might fail, donald trump's lawyers awful the second argument which, is donald trump's comments were simply part of doing his job, as president. the judge raised the georgia case where donald trump called the secretary of state, asking him to change the vote count in georgia. he asked donald trump's, lawyers how is he carrying out the function of the presidency, by calling a state official, donald treasures argued that his job is to make sure that the laws are faithfully executed, not the state laws

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell-20220111-06:02:00

hand him your breaking, news among other, things to tell us what does this mean, when criminal defense attorneys are meeting with district attorneys, who are investigating the criminal defense attorney's client. >> i wait with bated breath. i would love to hear what he has to say. thank you. >> that's where we have to shows rituals. that's why mine follows you. thanks lawrence. thank you rachel >> today was not a good day for the defendant donald trump, possibly criminal defendant, but definitely already a civil defendant. tonight, we have the breaking news that rachel just reported. the attorneys, criminal defense attorneys for donald trump, have now met in person with the fulton county district attorney's office, in georgia, which is conducting a criminal investigation of donald trump's possibly criminal interference in the georgia presidential election last year. they announced the investigation is focused on

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell-20220111-06:03:00

potential violations in georgia law prohibiting the solicitation of election fraud, the making of false statements to state and local government bodies, conspiracy, racketeering, violation of oath of office. and any involvement in violence or threats related to the elections administration. the associated press is reporting today, that district attorney willis, will be making a decision, in the case. in the first half of this year. in an interview with the associate press, the district attorney said, i certainly think that within the first half of the year, that decision will be made. also today, donald trump had a very bad day, in federal court. in a five hour hearing involving being the lawsuits that could bankrupt donald trump. five hour hearing involve three lawsuits, suing donald trump for his part in the attack on the capitol, on january 6th. one of the lawsuits, is filed

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell-20220111-06:04:00

by to capitol police officers, another is filed by congressman eric swalwell who will join us in a moment. nbc news reports the judge, who was appointed to the court by president obama, asked donald trump's lawyers, why do i do about the fact, that the president did not denounce the conduct immediately. and in fact, sent a tweet that arguably exacerbated things. what do i do about those facts. that he does not do anything for about two hours, to tell people to stand down. and leave the capitol. he continued. isn't that enough? to it least plausibly infer, that the president agreed with the conduct of the people, who were in the capitol that day? donald trump's lawyers were seeking to have the lawsuits dismissed, and insisted that donald trump said nothing to provoke the attack on the capitol. once the attack was underway, the judge asked donald trump's

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell-20220111-06:08:00

it's not something line forsman does, without a really good reason. let's -- not you or me, but a former president of the united states. you will cross every t before you open up and bring those lawyers in for that inquiry. here it was really necessary. within 12 hours of the georgia news breaking last year, now over 365 days, ago i read a new york times piece calling for essentially, impeachment investigation, because it does look like criminal laws were broken. it's good to see georgia getting to the bottom of. this >> neil just a follow-up on, that donald trump's criminal defense lawyers and his company's criminal defense lawyers, had these kinds of meetings with the manhattan district attorney, before the manhattan district attorney issued indictments against the trump business and against allan weissenberg. >> correct. this is a natural precursor to a possible indictment. it doesn't mean donald trump will be indicted by any stretch,

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell-20220111-06:06:00

judge made it interrupted. donald trump's lawyers argue that there is no evidence of conspiracy as alleged in the lawsuits. nbc news reports donald trump's lawyer, saying a conspiracy has to be established before the rioters arrived, and there's no evidence that there was any communication before hand. the judge responded, the president invited people to the public to -- encourage them to march to the capitol. and take it by force, and people accepted that, so that's not enough to establish conspiracy? meeting off our discussion tonight, is democratic congressman eric swallow of congress -- served as a house impeachment manager in the second impeachment trial of donald trump. also with us near cut the l, an msnbc legal contributor. congressman swalwell, i normally go to the opposite, first but with your indulgence, i want to begin with neil to ask about his developments in

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell-20220111-06:12:00

first impression, but you saw every time the trump lawyers tried to make this a partisan argument, the judge also shut him, down and said i don't want to go into partisan politics, i don't care with the political parties of your clients. this is about whether he did or did not do what is alleged. your viewers are frustrated. i see them on twitter. they are getting impatient for good reason. donald trump has not yet met accountability, but we are now starting to see, this, i call it an upcoming crescendo of all of these civil and criminal investigations, and i cannot help but think that he is going to meet accountability, and that's a good thing, that means the rule of law and law in order will prevail over chaos. >> neil, what was your reaction when the trump lawyers ran into reality, in that courtroom today? >> in some ways, my jaw dropped. it shouldn't at this, point nothing should shock me from a trump lawyer. but it still does, lawrence. congressman swalwell is doing a

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell-20220111-06:14:00

trump lawyer was, i can't think of an example. that's absolute immunity, that's exactly what our constitutional system rebels against. >> of course, congressman swalwell, if that were true, richard nixon would have circled a full eight years as president. >> that's absolutely right lawrence. this is the accountability. that donald trump deserves. and we are not going to relent the january six commission, they are not going to relent, and i promise you viewers, who has a, senator very active on twitter, they recognize that there is an inside game and outside game, this is the outside game on accountability. the inside game is as a relates to voting, writes is something that if we want to make sure that donald trump cannot be successful in trying to do many of these tactics again in 2024, the senate needs to step up and do its part, because i can bring a lawsuit, my colleagues can bring lawsuits, we can pass legislation in the house, but this is an all hands on deck effort. and it's just as important is

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