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candidates. they need to see him close the gap with trump. in the memo, they advise desantis to defend trump, pick a fight with chris christie. donors want to see him close the gap will not see that if desantis isn't willing to take on the leader of this primary and is just carrying water for him in a national debate. >> it's interesting. there are so many pitfalls for taking one side or the other. jonathan, politico reports that mike pence is relishing the opportunity to draw contrast with trump. how important could this debate be? i guess it's important for all of them, whether trump shows up or not. but for pence, what does he have to do? >> he will have to start convincing republicans that donald trump was wrong and that he was right. he has been trying to do that on the campaign trail. there's a huge persuasion effort that goes into that.
blame and whatnot. i say the patience we need to have to wait for the answers. it's not easy to wait, but i strongly believe patience, aloha and malama is the way to get through this. >> that's really beautiful. jonathan, thank you very much for sharing that with us. our hearts are with you. >> mahala. aloha. could trump's latest indictment in georgia affect his support in the peach state? we will break down those numbers. that's coming up next. which star skilled handnds at work. from cutting hair, and mowingng grass, to roasting marshmallows, he's got a grasp on what matters most. there's a story in every piece of land, run with us on a john deere tractor and start telling yours. get $1,000 off a 1025r tractor and 0% apr fixed rate for 60 months. the first time you connected your godaddy website and your store was also the first time you realized...
the minute the camera goes off and the mics are off, you are in the corner regrouping and getting the facts and information that you need to let the public know, because, obviously, we are thinking about their safety as well. >> jonathan, to that point, you were tug about the advisories and what you were learning in real time while at work. as somebody who does this for a living, what questions are unanswered? we heard about the lack of warning, about how people's cellphones weren't working so they couldn't get some messages. where do you think answers are need inside terms of how this actually happened and the devastation didn't seem -- it seemed to creep up so fast on the entire community. >> gosh, that's a hard question to answer. the bottom line is this. the people of hawaii have always been rooted in the spirit of owe hannah, which is family. and i know how painstaking this is, i know the hurt, i know just the deep void we all feel because losing lahaina, losing our family members is something
now, we are getting a first look on the ground in the worst hit area of wildfire ravaged lahaina. you can see, just look at these pictures, the charred cars, burned out homes, the scope, you can barely get your head around it. fema is looking for those still missing. here is how the hawaiian governor is describes the process. >> we are beginning to heal, but we are also having our hearts broken as we see the loss of life. >> our next guest reported for hawaiian news now, the whole time worried about his own family living on the island. friday to get the tragic news four families didn't make it. jonathan joins us now. we can't even put into words how sorry we are for your loss. along those lines -- >> thank you, tell us about the four members of your family and how did you find out in the midst of this tragedy?
watch him at all times when he looks at evidence. this is evidence that is supposedly eventually is going to end up in a trial. i'm more concerned with the definition of sensitive material, that as the judge said, i'm gonna go with the definition of sensitive material. it's a very ambiguous term. so right now this does not look good in terms of the chances of a confrontation and the potential of a gag order. i hope she doesn't go in that direction because i think it would be reverse. he is running for the president -- presidency of the united states. part of it will be the merits of the case and about 80 million jurors will vote on those merits. >> so with all that playing out be will watch to see what happens in georgia and possibly an indictment there in the next couple weeks too. jonathan, thank you both very much >> thank you. when we return, two years since the taliban take over in afghanistan. what to make of the billions in your tax dollars continuing to flow to that regime as the
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but from what you know of the case, are there any, are there other charges that a potential georgia indictment could include that we have not seen against trump yet? >> yes. georgia has a number of statutes that talk about election interference and title 21 of the georgia code, that is solicitation to commit election interference, conspiracy to commit election interference, tampering with ballots, those have been part of the georgia code for a number of years and could be stand-alone acts independent of rico that the state could bring against mr. trump. >> one more real quick question for you. do you think there is any possibility that donald trump does not get indicted, but everybody else does? >> i don't, jonathan. i just don't. >> i asked that question because generals coleman junior, when he was on my weekend show last week, he said that he thinks donald trump will be
>> one more real quick question for you. do you think there is any possibility that donald trump does not get indicted, but everybody else does? >> i don't, jonathan. i just don't. >> i asked that question because generals coleman junior, when he was on my weekend show last week, he said that he thinks donald trump will be indicted in georgia, but he wouldn't be surprised if he weren't indicted. so i'm asking everybody what they think. amy lee copeland, thank you very much for coming to the last word. and, coming up, the seven states both red and blue have now voted again and again to protect abortion rights since the supreme court overturned roe v. wade and both democrats and republicans have noticed. that is why democrats are looking at a national strategy to make as many 2024 campaigns as possible about reproductive health. senator tina smith at the great state of minnesota will join us, that is next.
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