Entirely reasonable request. however, it could potentially backfire on jack smith. trump s attorney today cast that motion in a sinister light calling it part of, quote, the prosecutor s desperate effort to harass president trump and prevent his likely victory in the 2024 presidential election, end quote. they re asking judge chutkan to order jack smith to explain why he should not be held in contempt of court as well as to withdraw all of their filings since the case was stayed and be forced to give trump money to pay for his legal bills. joining me now to understand this now is joyce vance. joyce, i want you to help me with this one. this one i m troubled by it but i don t understand it. judge chutkan stayed the case because it had been appealed to higher courts, and i guess that s what she had to do. so now they re saying because it was stayed he s he s manipulating stuff, is that what s going on here?
But it s worth noting that politically there s a chance that this could backfire. that s frankly what the biden campaign is counting on. they re frustrated right now that they say, you know, when it becomes a binary choice, they think that they will do well against trump, and they are frustrated that it is not quite a binary choice yet. he is in the forefront of our minds because we cover him and report on him every day, but for most voters, trump being removed from the news allows them to forget some of the chaos, to forget a lot of the things they didn t like about him, and so trump may like being in the spotlight, but you know who else likes it? president biden and his team. all right, joyce, we have a minute left. can you give us a very short preview of what you expect in the immunity hearing next week? right. so i think what will happen in the immunity hearing at bottom is this. trump s position that he s a king, that he can never be held accountable for anything he did as president will be exposed for
They have, for democrats, the first primary, and the president wants to make it clear he still has their backs the way they have always had his path. winning the stands with some voters slip in the pool, and also reflects a real imperative on the part of the biden campaign. they need to shore up this key base coalition in order to have a fighting chance it will be a razor close election next november. all right, new topic. joyce, let s talk about donald trump s appeal to the supreme court. he s trying to stay on colorado s ballot. i want to share what his former white house lawyer, ty cobb, said earlier about it. i don t think they ll reach the issue of, was it, or was it not an insurrection. i think the issue is not whether or not trump participated or gave any comfort to insurrectionist, or about whether article through the 14th minute actually applies to the president. and i think there, sadly, that
Very now discouraged distinctions happening here. she is 21 weeks pregnant when this happens. she is 22 weeks 22 weeks as viability in ohio. she should have been able to obtain this procedure, but she wasn t. they convened a medical ethics board, they failed to act. yet again, this is a situation where, had chiyakmesh carrot in the hospital, the fetus would not have been treated as a human body. that, of course, is the distinction, here. she would not have been subjected to the charges the grand jury has been asked to consider, which is, in essence, tampering with a corpse. all of this is on very thin ice, legally speaking, which may speak to why the decision by this grand jury has been delayed. joyce, in texas, a court just ruled that texas can now ban emergency abortions, despite federal guidance that says these procedures are specifically designed to save women s lives. what are we to make of this? you now, same verse, just in
They have miscarriages that they need to have proof of this and carry tampons or pads and that is not a dialogue that i ever thought i would have with the patients, that they should also be careful about how they document this incredibly private and grieving circumstance that case with a woman. any of us who have gone through a miscarriage remember exact circumstances. can you imagine that playing out in the media and then to have criminal charges brought against you? i have been in the circumstance, and i cannot imagine documenting, contacting police, i mean, this is crazy. joyce, can you explain this to us from a legal perspective? yeah, i think crazy does really well to characterize what is going on, here. this is a personal tragedy. this is not something that should be played out in a police station after a woman has been failed by her doctors not because they wanted to fail her, but because they are now operating in this legal environment where they are personally at risk if they provide the care that she needed. two kavita s point, there are very now discouraged distinctions happening here. she is 21 weeks pregnant when this happens. she is 22 weeks 22 weeks as viability in ohio. she should have been able to
Having that prescription on hand are in high demand, today. door kavita patel, an you for being here. joyce, thank you as well. when we come back, republicans e putting the border front and ceer. not any immigration reform, but they like to talk about the border. my next guest says democrats need to start talking about it, and fast. he will break down why, when the 11th hour continues.
Trump has the winning hand under the constitution but joyce, i want to share trump s lawyers. i think the right in their appeal it is a fundamental principle that the people should choose who they please to govern them. how ironic is that when you think about what this whole thing is about? yeah, the hubris of that line. it is the very first line in this petition for certiorari. you read that and it smacks the american people in the face. for someone who did so much to overturn the legitimate results of the 2020 election to now claim that he is the greatest defender of american voters, to ty cobb s point though, there are a lot of procedural off-ramps that the supreme court could take that would let trump stay on the ballot in colorado. cobb is referring to the decision that was made by the trial court in colorado. it was that judge who first
January six as a story about martyrs and about, you know, the persecution he faced by the deep state, and it s another example of his grievances. and he s brought the republican party with him. even republican elected officials who are critical of him and his role on january 6th are now endorsing donald trump for another term in office. so i just feel like it s not just about what biden says about january 6th, but the contrast with how trump is also campaigning on it. that s what really is chilling to me as we begin this election year. joyce, isn t the election also about how much we value the rule of law? like, what s at stake when it comes to that? you know, it s absolutely true. people have said that this is an election about whether we will continue to be a democracy. it s an election about the rule of law. but those are such anti-septic concepts to so many american
Trying to tip the balance of seen as interfering in their decision-making, the separation of power is important. so, that speaks to how sometimes the frustration of democrats at times, may be overly institutionalists, here, and fighting a fight with one arm behind his back. my goodness, it is complicated. i could not be more important. joyce, you are sticking around. michael, susan, thank you both for starting us off tonight. before we go to break, though, we have got some breaking news this evening in the story of jeffrey epstein, the convicted sex offender who died by suicide in prison, newly unsealed documents from the case or chest released a few hours ago. my colleague, laura jarrett, spoke to lester holt. reporter: we are just beginning to dive into the more than 900 pages of court records involving epstein and his associates, many of his past acquaintances reporting at length. but this is the first time deposition transcripts and
Ever thought i would have with the patients, that they should also be careful about how they document this incredibly private and grieving circumstance that case with a woman. any of us who have gone through a miscarriage remember exact circumstances. can you imagine that playing out in the media and then to have criminal charges brought against you? i have been in the circumstance, and i cannot imagine documenting, contacting police, i mean, this is crazy. joyce, can you explain this to us from a legal perspective? yeah, i think crazy does really well to characterize what is going on, here. this is a personal tragedy. this is not something that should be played out in a police station after a woman has been failed by her doctors not because they wanted to fail her, but because they are now operating in this legal environment where they are personally at risk if they provide the care that she needed. two kavita s point, there are