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oration applicant whose mother or father works in the trades by way of illustration. i just don't know that broad brush addresses the norm of what's going on out there. any any event, i appreciate you being here. i know how you'll vote on today's poll question. make sure you go and do it, okay? go to smerconish.com. today ooes poll question -- we went through a whole variety of machinations. i said to katherine or katherine said to me, let's make it similar. is affirmative action necessary? that's the question. go vote at smerconish.com. still to come, now even the centrists are polarized. the group no labels working to nominate a third party president candidate while rival group third wave says that would just elect donald trump. will special counsel jack smith's documents case hold up in court? several of the previous ones ended with a mistrial or hung
tremendous experience being in public -- taking decisive action on high-profile cases and tough enough to stand up against the president of the united states in the courtroom and an historic indictment. that would be my best guess. he had to know he'd subject himself to immense scrutiny based on really bipartisan mistake, going after both democrat and in my case a republican person and getting unanimously revoked. he got the law unanimously wrong in my case. i question mr. garland's judgment in this -- >> -- on the prosecution of so-called public corruption across the country. i'll read aloud a social media reaction that just came in. katherine, let's see what it says. potus 47, a/k/a potus 47, donald trump, not 45, will not need to pardon himself. let that sink in. >> governor, a quick question
washington responded aggressively. they wanted the money out fast, so the standard safeguards that normally protect federal money from going to the wrong people were lowered. but i think it's important -- it takes people on the other side. there were people that took advantage of that during a public health crisis. based they saw an opportunity for an easy payday and they grabbed it. >> congrats to you and your colleagues. i'm so glad you're on this case because it needs more attention. so thank you. >> thank you. quick social media reaction, katherine. what do we have on the greatest grift of all time? a bungled pandemic response and up a paulg misuse of money. i mean it's appalling, absolutely. but maybe there was not an alternative. you will open the hose at that velocity, because you think you need to sustain the economy, i'm
happened in actual elections in 2016 and 2020. in these very close races, horse race polling can't get it that accurate. what we do know is it is overwhelmingly likely that more people are reluctant biden voters than reluctant trump voters, if you give them an option, they may take it. that's an enormous -- >> the only thing we know for sure is we have no idea. there's never been a cycle like this. the twists and turns about to come our way, nobody can predict. i really appreciate. thank you. >> thank you. social media reaction, katherine, what do we have on this subject? a lot of interest i know? if it's biden and trump, yes, and polling has confirmed this, the situation has never been more ripe for no labels. the we is who is that candidate. he says he's not interested. he's going to be upset with me for even floating his name.
from right here in washington. good evening, katherine. >> reporter: good evening, norah. a senior u.s. government official told reporters there is no economic evidence the u.s. military and intelligence agencies have been compromised, but a number of federal agencies have been hit. tonight, senior government officials are racing to limit the impact of what one cyber expert is calling potentially the largest theft and extortion event in recent history. american targets include multiple federal agencies, including the department of energy, plus johns hopkins affiliated hospitals in maryland and florida. georgia's statewide university system, and the minnesota department of education. british airways was also hit. the hackers are part of the cyber criminal gang called klopp, believed to operate from inside russia. >> they have started releasing some of the data that was stolen, and part of their work to extort these companies. we strongly encourage anyone who is a user of this software to of course patch, lock down their systems.
think that they have more work to do, even if for the time being they are letting things be. but, again, it really depends on how the data come in, it depends on whether we see continued elevated price growth and if we see the labor market holding up. >> christine, to you, the markets are now responding to this. the dow down about 280-ish points, 288 points. it's been down most of the day. what do you make of this? >> and we should note that stocks had been sitting near one-year highs here. among other things on the hopes that the fed would pause. katherine is absolutely right, when you look inside the numbers you can see that the fed and some members are saying they'd like to see four more rate hikes when you look within what fed members are saying. you have a fed that is likely to have more rate hiking in the months ahead. now, remember, the fed has been hiking rates for 15 months, right, except for today and in that time more than 4 million jobs have been created, the unemployment rate has fall ton
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katherine, what social media reaction? >> we're talking about trump. no one else. focus on his crimes. this is not a witch hunt. he's not innocent. you were doing great until the end because you've prejudged and aren't giving him the presumption of innocence. i get it. something about the indictment i wanted to say earlier, the pictures. i've been wondering. i spoke to others about this. what form of evidence, demonstrative evidence, might we see that would remove some of the dryness from a documents case? the photographs are compelling. they bring it home. the video tape which we haven't seen will be as well. when i read on may 4th, between 5:30 and 5:48 his valet removed boxes from the storage area, it
the -- the reason. >> it's interesting that both the lawyer team and the former president in his comments with now the case moving to the florida courts. so the implication is, oh, things have changed geographically so this is a time to change. that's the official line from the trump folks. katherine, christian, david and andrew, i thank you all very much for being with us this morning. really do. up next, how some of donald trump's republican rivals for 2024 are capitalizing op trump's indictment. we are live on capitol hill with brand-new reaction from congressional republicans. you're watching special news coverage of the trump indictment only on msnbc. l news coverage of the trump indictment only on msnbc.
defendant is hoping that he is not getting indicted and he gets indicted, a lot of defendants blame their lawyer, even if it's not the lawyer's fault, it's the client's fault for doing what they did. todd blanche, though, is a respected lawyer, he represented paul manafort in new york state court and was successful in arguing double jeopardy. he -- i'd say one thing to be careful about is that todd blanche left his law firm and he now has one and only one client, which is the former president. he may do a great job, but it is somewhat perilous to only have one client because one of the jobs of a lawyer is to say no, is to make sure that you are in control of the case and when you only have one client, that can be somewhat difficult to do that. >> katherine, i know that you know him. what are your thoughts on this? >> well, as you know, he's also