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weighing in on a pardon fo donald trump pence also accused his forme boss of walking away fro conservative principles on issues like abortion and the national debt. joining me to discuss, rober gibbs former obama campaig senior adviser and white house press secretary under presiden obama. and michael steele, former chairman of the republican national committee and forme lieutenant governor of maryland michael, i do not need t remind you in the past, mike pence has bent over backward to trump's base. he continues to do so in a number of ways to this day interesting that this was th specific question that he chos to dodge about his former boss what is he trying to pull of here >> look, he's trying to have i both ways, quite frankly he wants to show that he can take on trump but at the sam time, show that base that trum controls that he is not an ant trump, or he is not --

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Katy Tur Reports

jurors, wouldn't matter what county it's in. >> so your prediction right now on when this trial is going to take place after all the motions and declassifying or dealing with the classified documents, what is your prediction of when this will finally see the inside of a courtroom? >> my prediction is no better than anyone else's, but i think it's going to be tried sometime in the fall and i think that's very optimistic. >> the most i've heard yet. thank you so much. we're going to have you on soon to talk about this more. >> thanks for having me. >> appreciate you coming on. joining me now is michael steel. there's a political as pegt to this story because cnn has just released a new poll that is starting to show for the first time some corroding of donald trump's support. we'll put it up on the screen for you. you can see that donald trump leads his closest rival. mr. desantis, but 21 points. that's down from his 27-point lead in may. there's also a drop in his

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address the point that was raised in the last segment about this idea of this hunter biden thing. >> please do. >> getting a sweetheart deal. it doesn't matter what the prosecution came back. what deal was negotiated here short of absolute jail time or being put under the jail. that doesn't matter for the trump electorate nor does it matter for trump. he still would be claiming this was a better deal even if hunter biden went to jail. >> michael, thank you very much. appreciate your time. i love how everybody's interjecting their own thoughts about our lead story today. it's working for me. ahead, the fbi resisted investigating donald trump's role in the january 6th attack on the capitol for more than a year. and what finally got leadership to act. we've got an inside report from "the washington post." first though, quote, no results. the coast guard just gave a

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Deadline White House

kids and learning loss and all the stuff that happened in covid. if you restrict teachers' latitude to do that, a kid is going to see that in a minute. and so what is happening in florida is that people feel like they're in a vice. like they're trapped. they want to answer kids' questions but they don't know if they're going to get fired. and the people in florida who are more mad that anyone else are the people who voted for desantis because they feel kmeetly betrayed. they bought that he said this is about freedom. this is about repression and trying to stymie not only knowledge but growth and aspiration. >> michael steel, i covered this earlier in the week. it reminds me of robin william in "dead poets society" which makes me weep just talking about

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office. we begin today with our favorite reporters and friends. michael steel joins us and mike schmitt is also here, all msnbc contributors. mike, your colleagues have new reporting on the story. the lawyers with trump are unable to locator ascertain any location for this document. >> look, one of. >> we can't see fully into this investigation. we now know about this very intriguing audio file in which he's discussing this document. one of the problems with donald trump is because he makes so many things up and says so many different things. it makes investigating him difficult. and, look, we don't know what this document is or where it is.

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january 6 than he does about the documents. >> that's all still intriguing to us on the outside. neil, mike schmitt, thank you so much. michael steel sticks around for the hour. when we come back, governor ron desantis is campaigning all throughout new hampshire. talking about his favorite thing, so-called wokeness and defunding diversity programs. and touting his losing fight with disney. we're not sure why. but he does seem to have a reptilian political instinct that is alive to run away from the most extreme positions. why he's avoiding his own six week abortion ban. we'll show you that. plus, could prosecutors in georgia be expanding their investigation into the ex-president? new reporting on that case also coming up. later in the broadcast, two by him who stood up to and continue to stand up to the ex-president, e. jean carroll and mary trump join us together on their new project. all those stories and much, much

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and part what was you did for me, just to be very, you know -- just for a moment, what you did with michael that last time, it was really affirming. and so many people told me they saw that moment. because here's michael, the republican lieutenant governor, randi, the democrat. and we are sitting there with you talking about how to fight dehumanization. >> you're going to make me cry. you've got to come up here. i think this is -- you know, we can chop it into the buckets of roe and the woke agenda. but i think at its core the strategy of dehumanization. i think we should sit here and try to solve for that, figure that out. and that was all michael steele. but thank you very much for lumping me in. randi and michael, love you both, thank you so much. so much.

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103 more classified documents. they've been moving them all over like prepping for a yard sale. he didn't bother to declassify any of them. and 54 secret and top secret were among them. the other piece of this that is -- i take michael's point, it may all be lost on the public. i think the public is getting an unbelievable education. when they hear bill barr every time he is flobt of a camera plead the case for doj, for reasons that are not clear to me this is as serious as a heart attack, they're at least hearing from across the information spectrum. what was recovered was given back, neil. >> absolutely. that's where the prosecution would lie. michael steel is right. there is a whole counter narrative. but that's what we have jury trials for. and that's ultimately what i think jack smith will conclude. look, there is a debate in the

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emotional learning? when we have a mental health crisis. and we have to make sure that kids feel okay. like -- >> and the reason for doing it is thinking about guns in america is it's a mental health problem. >> and so it's just -- if it wasn't so serious, it would be laughable. but the book bans, what's happening is that parents are saying -- and michael got it right. 11 parents in florida had been responsible for 60% of the book bans. and it was only when the amanda gorman ban. and that person didn't even read it. and had elders on her facebook page. so she doesn't, like -- so the craziness here is people are starting to feel the depravation. and they're getting really angry. just like on dobbs. there's a sense you're taking something away from my child. >> it's regressive. >> because you're doing. this why are you doing this? why are you taking this away

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from my child? why don't you let my child and her teacher decide what is right? and the other thing i'll say is there are processes to figure out curriculum. we don't get it right all the time. but use those processes that the school boards are supposed to have. that's why we have lay boards that are voted on by parents in the main. >> go ahead. >> can i pick up on something that -- >> always. >> i don't want people to lose a point that may be too subtle for some. and that is -- >> we love you, michael. >> you know, it ain't woke to emotionally support our children. >> yes. >> all right? it ain't woke to make sure that they have a sound learning environment. it ain't woke to recognize that a kid who is going through the trials of life is going to need

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