You? think it is immoral, this, don t ou? . . think it is immoral, this, don t ou? , ., , think it is immoral, this, don t ou? . ., , ., you? yes, i mean, these people are fleein: you? yes, i mean, these people are fleeing persecution you? yes, i mean, these people are fleeing persecution and, you? yes, i mean, these people are fleeing persecution and, you - you? yes, i mean, these people are fleeing persecution and, you know, | fleeing persecution and, you know, in fear of their lives, you know? they should not be treated this way. they should not be treated this way. they should not be treated this way. they should just not be treated this way, we are in the 21st century for christ s sake, nicky. way, we are in the 21st century for christ s sake, nicky. kevin, respond to veronica christ s sake, nicky. kevin, respond to veronica on christ s sake, nicky. kevin, respond to veronica on the christ s sake, nicky. kevin, respond to veronica on the morality. - christ s sake, nicky. kevin, respond to veronica on the morality. i - christ s sake, nicky. kevin, respond to veronica on the morality. i think| to veronica on the morality. i think veronica has to veronica on the morality. i think veronica has raised to veronica on the morality. i think veronica has raised a to veronica on the morality. i think veronica has raised a couple - to veronica on the morality. i think veronica has raised a couple of- to veronica on the morality. i think| veronica has raised a couple of very good veronica has raised a couple of very good points veronica has raised a couple of very good points there. first of all, she talked good points there. first of all, she talked about the eu. now, i m sure that we talked about the eu. now, i m sure that we will talked about the eu. now, i m sure that we will all remember, before gaddafi that we will all remember, before gaddafi got thrown out of libya, the eu were gaddafi got thrown out of libya, the eu were actually paying him to stop migrants eu were actually paying him to stop migrants coming across the mediterranean. now the eu is in negotiation with tunisia to do a row and a negotiation with tunisia to do a row and a deal. negotiation with tunisia to do a row and a deal, and this is being led by denmark, and a deal, and this is being led by denmark, greece and austria, who are
Door policy, eu because we didn t want an open door policy, this government can t control door policy, this government can t control legal migration, they can t control control legal migration, they can t control so called illegal migration, and i control so called illegal migration, and i take control so called illegal migration, and i take issue with that, because no person and i take issue with that, because no person is and i take issue with that, because no person is illegal. they can t control no person is illegal. they can t control any no person is illegal. they can t control any of it. no person is illegal. they can t control any of it. there is no such thin as control any of it. there is no such thing as an control any of it. there is no such thing as an illegal control any of it. there is no such thing as an illegal migrant, - thing as an illegal migrant, absolutely right. but i think illegal migration, per se, some people would argue is what it says on the tin. you are right to draw that distinction. ian, that is interesting. darren, do you hear that? , interesting. darren, do you hear that? . ., interesting. darren, do you hear that? . . ~y that? yes, thanks, nicky. my pempective that? yes, thanks, nicky. my pempective is that? yes, thanks, nicky. my perspective is this that? yes, thanks, nicky. my perspective is this illegal - perspective is this illegal immigration perspective is this illegal immigration is perspective is this illegal immigration is a - perspective is this illegal immigration is a drain. perspective is this illegal immigration is a drain on perspective is this illegal immigration is a drain on resources. we just immigration is a drain on resources. we just can t immigration is a drain on resources. we just can t expect immigration is a drain on resources. we just can t expect to immigration is a drain on resources. we just can t expect to throw - we just can t expect to throw resources we just can t expect to throw resources at we just can t expect to throw resources at this, we just can t expect to throw resources at this, and - we just can t expect to throw resources at this, and at - we just can t expect to throw resources at this, and at thei we just can t expect to throw - resources at this, and at the same time resources at this, and at the same time expect resources at this, and at the same time expect more resources at this, and at the same time expect more doctors, - resources at this, and at the same time expect more doctors, more i time expect more doctors, more nurses, time expect more doctors, more nurses, more time expect more doctors, more nurses, more police, time expect more doctors, more nurses, more police, more- nurses, more police, more firefighters, nurses, more police, more firefighters, more - nurses, more police, more. firefighters, more firefighters, more firefighters, more firefighters, more money firefighters, more firefighters, more money for firefighters, more firefighters, more money for benefit - firefighters, more firefighters, - more money for benefit claimants. these more money for benefit claimants. these goody more money for benefit claimants. these goody two more money for benefit claimants. these goody two shoes more money for benefit claimants. these goody two shoes pupils, - more money for benefit claimants. | these goody two shoes pupils, they want all these goody two shoes pupils, they want all of these goody two shoes pupils, they want all of these these goody two shoes pupils, they want all of these immigrants - these goody two shoes pupils, they want all of these immigrants in, - these goody two shoes pupils, they| want all of these immigrants in, and we don t want all of these immigrants in, and we don t want want all of these immigrants in, and we don t want to want all of these immigrants in, and we don t want to stop want all of these immigrants in, and
Has been much criticised for, as some say it, kept animals bill and all the promises in the 2019 manifesto, driven by borisjohnson, who has similar interests. and there was also criticism this week, wasn t there, ian, that we are in danger of losing or have lost our pole position is one of the leading countries, if not the leading country, in the race for net zero and in the fight against climate change? so there is that, many people will argue there is a lot of validity in those arguments, but as you say, the timing. the validity in those arguments, but as you say, the timing. you say, the timing. the timing is the extraordinary you say, the timing. the timing is the extraordinary issue, you say, the timing. the timing is the extraordinary issue, because l the extraordinary issue, because presumably he could have resigned at any time, when he was criticised by the privileges committee, when, you know, mps had decided to back the suspension of borisjohnson, suspension of boris johnson, pre empted suspension of borisjohnson, pre empted only by his own resignation, we could have said, as you mentioned, nicky, they kept animals bill, something about which there is a lot of concern on
Him to come onto the bbc and tell us why he is resigning on this very morning, and he hasn t yet responded, but if you do so, probably better to speak to him than to me! i probably better to speak to him than to me! . ~ probably better to speak to him than to me! ., ,, to me! i will text him! thank you very much. to me! i will text him! thank you very much, we ll to me! i will text him! thank you very much, we ll see to me! i will text him! thank you very much, we ll see how- to me! i will text him! thank you very much, we ll see how we - to me! i will text him! thank you very much, we ll see how we getj to me! i will text him! thank you - very much, we ll see how we get on. like you very much, iain watson. where were we? rwanda, should be cut plough on and stick to its plans? we were talking to catherine in ealing, maybe we have lost her? we will try to get her back if we can. it was a conversation about a very important issue with iain watson, but veronica issue with iain watson, but veronica is in plymouth, harjap is still with us, veronica, good morning to you, what do you think? should they carry on? hi. what do you think? should they carry on? . ., what do you think? should they carry on? . “ ., ~ what do you think? should they carry on? . .. ., ., , on? hi, nicky. i know! have been waitin: a on? hi, nicky. i know! have been waiting a long on? hi, nicky. i know! have been waiting a long time on? hi, nicky. i know! have been waiting a long time but. - on? hi, nicky. i know! have been waiting a long time but. sorry, l waiting a long time but. sorry, sor , waiting a long time but. sorry, sorry. sorry! waiting a long time but. sorry, sorry, sorry! that s waiting a long time but. sorry, sorry, sorry! that s ok. -
All is coming up. involved, but the most important of all is coming up- all is coming up. yes, i am sorry, nic , all is coming up. yes, i am sorry, nicky. you all is coming up. yes, i am sorry, nicky. you dropped all is coming up. yes, i am sorry, nicky, you dropped out, - all is coming up. yes, i am sorry, nicky, you dropped out, so - all is coming up. yes, i am sorry, nicky, you dropped out, so i - all is coming up. yes, i am sorry, i nicky, you dropped out, so i missed quite a bit of what you actually said, unfortunately. buti quite a bit of what you actually said, unfortunately. but i think hadap said, unfortunately. but i think harjap was talking about the criminal gangs? well, he is dead right, criminal gangs are a huge problem. we are not tackling them as well as we should. it is astonishing that the criminal gangs seem to know exactly what we and the french are going to do before we even do it. this business about the vessels, the boats that are getting into the water, despite us paying the french god knows how much money, they are stopping just over half, but even so, you would have thought come up with the amount of money we have paid them and the combined intelligence services of france and the uk, we should be doing an awful lot more on stopping the gangs.
On my front porch i m handcuffed. our house has been swatted 42 times. police have actually come in some form to your door? yes. reporter: no central agency tracks swatting but one estimate put the number at more than 1,000 incidents in 2019 alone. in six days this april, at least nine universities were victims, and police estimate each incident costs communities more than $10,000. patrick and nicky are still constantly harassed. they have been texting us during this interview. using voice synthesizers and other technology. get a real job. again, you ll be able to learn a trade in prison. reporter: at the same time, they can t get the police to stop coming. the milwaukee police department tells nbc news they have been to patrick and nicky s house at least 40 times. but they didn t share any ideas for how they re going to solve this problem. in a statement, they told us, mpd has a duty to respond to calls for service in order to
Ensure that no one is in danger. how dangerous is swatting? it s extremely dangerous. reporter: now, the fbi is getting involved, creating a swatting command center so police departments can exchange information. we know the problem exists throughout the country. i think the fbi recognizes that we have resources to help track what s going on to be able to easily share information with one another, to report incidents. reporter: meanwhile, patrick and nicky are in their fifth year of daily harassment. what has it done to be in this position? it s taken away our sanctuary. we don t feel safe in our own home. every department in this country should have policies, procedures and training around it. people have died from it. there is no excuse. reporter: a waste of public resources and a nightmare for its victims. jake ward, nbc news, milwaukee. we have a lot to cover in our second hour ahead of chris jansing reports. let s get right to it.
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