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[theme music] welcome to violent earth. i m liev schreiber. 2023 set an all time record for weather and climate related disasters in the us. 28 events with losses over $1 billion. wildfires, hurricanes, and floods are more frequent than ever. the earth is changing. tonight, we delve into one of the most powerful natural hazards in the world, tornadoes. terrifying vortexes unleashed from thunderstorms that can cause unimaginable destruction. few examples of their power are more definitive than the 2011 twister that hit joplin, missouri. categorized as an ef5, the highest level possible, with maximum winds over 200 miles per hour, the tornado cut right through the center of the city. storm chaser: oh my gosh. oh my gosh. jim riek: late may is the bull s eye in the midwest for tornadoes. joplin was under a risk of a tornado, but not a great risk. storm chaser: that is a tornado, people. there was a complex of storms that came toward the city. oh my gosh. the tornado formed just outside of the joplin city limits. storm chaser: listen to it! jim riek: and then it just started racing into joplin. [indistinct shouting] all the alarms are going off on my computer, and here it comes. storm chaser: there! storm chaser: i see it. i see it. just straight through the heart of joplin, missouri. storm chaser: oh gosh, that is a monster tornado. i couldn t really see anything because it was obscured by rain. jim riek: it was rain rain. i think that s why so many people died. they did not realize that what they were seeing was the tornado. in this case, an ef5 tornado that is catastrophic. and by the time they did, it s too late. jeff piotrowski: as the tornado went by, everything was gone. it was like a bulldozer, and it leveled everything in its path. kat piotrowski: i just couldn t believe what i was seeing, the millions and millions of pieces of debris. jim riek: the tornado was on the ground for 32 minutes. storm chaser: the sirens are going. jim riek: it hits a convenience store on east 20th street. they had locked it just so the door wouldn t fling open. jim riek: listen to the audio. [screaming, rain pounding] jeff piotrowski: as the tornado entered the center part of the city, it hit the high school, and that s where the max damage occurred. jim riek: that surveillance video from the high school is no more than a hundred yards from amber munson s house. donna kerry: in 2011, amber was 40 years old. amber has always been amber, just always generous and kind and hospitable and just fun to be around. amber was home that afternoon. she wasn t aware that the tornado was coming. she didn t have her tv on and no indicators that it was gonna be that severe. i had spoken to her. she said, oh, it s just turned really dark here. and then she said, um, now the sirens are going off. and that s when i said, you know, go take the quilt off the top of your bed and get in your bathtub. i said, and then call me back. very few houses in joplin, particularly in the path of what turned out to be this tornado, had basements. so the best place to go is either a closet or in your bathtub. harold brooks: you wanna get as low as you can and put as many walls between you and the tornado as possible. storm chaser: oh gosh. i was concerned when she said the sirens were going off. i wouldn t even have imagined the magnitude of what was gonna come. jim riek: amber munson, probably 15 seconds before the tornado hit, realized just how bad it was going to be. and bang. the tornado hit. for tornadoes to form, you have to have a certain set of ingredients. first of all, you have to have moisture available for thunderstorms to develop. you have to have a source of lift or a trigger for those thunderstorms to get going. you have to have unstable air, which is temperatures that get colder with height and that allows the thunderstorm to rise and develop vertically. the most important ingredient is you have to have wind shear, which is changing of wind direction with height and also changing wind speeds with height. there s all sorts of different shapes tornadoes can take. we have a stovepipe, which is kind of like a straight up and down type tornado. we have obviously a cone. that makes sense. it s a cone shape. another one is the wedge, and that s usually the most intense. different tornadoes have different smells. when a tornado is going through a densely wooded area, you can smell the fresh cut wood, the fresh cut pine, whatever the tree is. paul markowski: the typical widths are anywhere from probably 25 to 50 yards across on the low end to, on the high end, a mile wide. tim marshall: the largest one i ve ever seen was the el reno, oklahoma tornado, and that was over two miles wide. kim klockow mcclain: the joplin tornado became a mile wide wedge right on the edge of town. kat piotrowski: the tornado was massive. it was chewing up everything in its path. there was no mercy at all. er: breaking news here at cnn. joplin, missouri, suffering the devastation right now of a very powerful tornado. jim riek: amber lived in what i would call a very middle class area of joplin. jeff piotrowski: this beautiful, quaint subdivision, and now it s level. kat piotrowski: it was just total devastation. our phone rang, and it was her, and she was screaming, mother, my house is on top of me. that s when i said, amber, that s not funny, because we would always kid back and forth. and she said, no, mom, my house is on top of me. and then her phone went dead. so there s a lot of myths that have been passed down through the years. reporter: doors and windows on the north and east sides were open. trent okerson: whenever i was growing up, i heard you ve got to open up the windows to equalize the air pressure. well, pressure is not what will cause damage to a home. it s wind getting up under the roof, blowing the roof off. another big misconception is if you re out in a vehicle, that an overpass is a great place to take shelter. that is not a good place to go. scientists have realized that being in that overpass creates a bit of a wind tunnel effect, that the wind is blowing through a smaller area so it can actually accelerate the wind speeds. so you re putting yourself in greater danger. kim klockow mcclain: there s a really popular misconception that mobile homes are like tornado attractors, and what s behind that is undoubtedly that people hear about mobile homes getting hit more because that s where people die. harold brooks: roughly half of the deaths in tornadoes occur in mobile and manufactured homes. they re much more vulnerable to a tornado and tend to turn into debris quicker. there are myths that tornadoes can t cross bodies of water. oh, tornadoes can t go through cities. jeff piotrowski: but there are no rules when it comes to tornadoes. they go where they wanna go. harold brooks: the deadliest tornado in us history is march 18, 1925, the tri-state tornado that went across southeastern missouri, southern illinois into southwestern indiana, and it killed 695 people over about a two and a half hour long period. generally, after the tri-state tornado, we see, like, a 10-fold decrease in the fatality rate from tornadoes as compared to 1925. we think there are a lot of things that could be going on behind that. there was the emergence of radio and people downstream could hear about it immediately. radar has had something to do with this, increases in our understanding of storms, and now the ability to push warnings to people on their cell phones. harold brooks: but the may 22, 2011 tornado at joplin, missouri, was the deadliest tornado in decades in the united states. being the seventh deadliest in us history. jim riek: on that day, it didn t matter what type of forecasting skills you had, what technology. the tornado won. [dramatic music] jeff piotrowski: everything basically was a three foot, four foot pile of debris everywhere as far as the eye could see. just debris everywhere. there s really nothing standing. donna kerry: in her immediate neighborhood, there were 16 people that perished. jim riek: jeff piotrowski sees a lady who is hysterical, has no idea what has happened to her. and that s amber munson. you could hear amber before you saw her, and that s what i remember more than anything is hearing her cries out. amber munson: can i use your phone? jeff piotrowski: what? kat piotrowski: and coming towards us. jeff piotrowski: yeah, all the phones are jammed. kat piotrowski: jeff jumped out of the car immediately and raced towards her. i m ok. i m ok. jeff piotrowski: come here. come here. hello? hello? how did she survive? amber munson: once the tornado sirens went off and the lights started flickering, i grabbed a pillow and a blanket and my phone and i jumped into the bathtub. i decided to roll over on my right side and i kind of got into a fetal position and covered myself up. but as the pressure started coming, the bath started bouncing. so it was very minor at first, not realizing that you re gonna get sucked out of your house. after the tornado hit, i remember hearing the glass shatter, but i don t remember flying in the tornado. amber munson went flying, ended up in someone else s yard. amber munson: when i woke up, i just remember being upside down, buried within the rubble. i knew i was alive, but i still questioned whether or not i was gonna survive because of the stuff that was falling on me. i think just wanting to survive kicked in for her. i kind of wiggled myself out so that i could get up, and that s when i got out of the hole. i had twisted my knee and i had a puncture wound in my back. but she s alive. it was a miracle. amber munson: the joplin tornado, having lived through it, made me realize that people don t take them serious enough. you see people that go stand on the front porch wanting to capture these things, not realizing how risky they really can be. storm chaser: oh, we got lightning. her uncle s unhappy. i m sensing an underlying issue. it s t-mobile. it started when we tried to get him under a new plan. but they they unexpectedly unraveled their “price lock” guarantee. which has made him, a bit. unruly. you called yourself the “un-carrier”. you sing about “price lock” on those commercials. “the price lock, the price lock.” so, if you could change the price, change the name! it s not a lock, i know a lock. so how can we undo the damage? we could all unsubscribe and switch to xfinity. their connection is unreal. and we could all un-experience this whole session. okay, that s uncalled for. trent okerson: storm chasing has gotten extremely popular over the past couple of decades. storm chaser: get the best footage. harold brooks: people do it, in large part, for the thrill and for the excitement of seeing the event. storm chaser: tornado number one. tornado number two. the original tornado is still on the ground. tim marshall: once you get out there and you see a storm in the open plains and the amazing structure that it has, it s mesmerizing, and it can become even addicting. storm chaser: my goodness. that is a thing of beauty and violence. max olson: there s a side to it that s almost like a hunter, because you re trying to narrow down where in the country this relatively rare phenomenon is gonna take place. storm chaser: come on. tim marshall: now there are thousands of people who do this. there s even tour groups nowadays, and you can get in a van and go with a group of fellow enthusiasts and drive out onto the plains and see the majestic skies. allison chinchar: in the united states, we average more than 1,200 tornadoes per year. that is number one in the world by a long shot. the second closest is canada, which only gets 100 per year. you could actually add canada, australia, and all european countries combined, and we still see more than they do. tornadoes are most common in the midwest. max olson: we also have another area that s really prone to tornadoes in our southeastern states. harold brooks: the tornado season depends on where you are in the country. in the plains, tornado season is typically over a relatively short period of time in the springtime. in the southeastern united states, tornadoes are more likely to occur at any time of the year. tornadoes actually can and do strike all over the country. tim marshall: tornadoes have been known to be in every state of the us. they have been in the highest of mountains, beaches, and offshore. harold brooks: over the last 50 years, what we ve seen has been an increase in the number of tornadoes in what we think of as the mid-south. it looks like it s associated with physical changes in the atmosphere, but we don t have a real underlying reason of why that s occurred. reporter: a rare sight in the skies over japan. a powerful twister ripping across the eastern part of the nation. tornadoes occur worldwide. jeff piotrowski: europe has tornadoes. south america has tornadoes. australia, japan. trent okerson: but the united states has a unique combination of geographical features that can lend itself to a lot of tornadoes. the gulf of mexico, that provides the very warm, humid air. then you also get cooler, drier air that s either coming down from canada or off the rockies. there s really no other place in the world that has the exact combination of ingredients like we do here in the united states. storm chaser: zoom in. storm chasing has definitely evolved into this kind of social media era. storm chaser: where are we? northeast nebraska? max olson: and people wanna be seen. they wanna be, you know, the chaser that everybody thinks of, doing the live streams, posts in front of a tornado and whatnot. trent okerson: storm chasing is a double edged sword. it s very valuable when it comes to learning more about the science behind storms, but it can also be dangerous if you re not 100% sure of what you re doing. the biggest danger of storm chasing has always been the driving. storm chaser: let s go back. we re going back. we re going back. you tend to judge where the tornado is going, but that doesn t always happen. there are so many people who chase now on some storms that traffic is actually a serious problem. when i m chasing out in the plains, i m apt to see dozens of other chasers. when i began storm chasing, there were no other chasers. tim marshall: david hoadley, whether he likes it or not, is the father of modern day storm chasing. max olson: david hoadley is the first person to truly go out and seek tornadoes, driving long distances, attempting to come up with some sort of formula to see tornadoes. he holds the record for the longest consecutive years of storm chasing. i ve been storm chasing 66 years, and i ve seen 265 tornadoes. i saw my first tornado in 1958. i think this is one of the things that appealed to me was the element of, really, mystery. what causes these storms? there was so much that was unknown. 2023, i saw david hoadley out chasing. the man s 85 years old. he s been doing it for most of his life, and he s still out there doing it every single year. david hoadley: it s not like spelunking or surfboarding. you can return to the ocean. you can climb the mountains again and again and again. but that one tornado, that one storm, once it s gone, it s out. it s history. to have a picture of it, have a video or anything else of it, is to say that i ve captured something that will never happen again. tornadoes are most common 4:00 to 8:00 pm. because that s when the atmosphere is warmest, you get the sunshine, heats things up, creates the most instability. that instability is fuel for thunderstorms. mason lillard: may 22, normal sunday. we went fishing for a little bit and we were getting ready to take my cousin lage home. i was 10 and lage was 14, and my grandpa was like, hey, i need some wiring for my garage at home depot. i would say probably around 5:00, 5:15-ish, the sky s starting to get a little kind of weird looking. my grandpa went inside of home depot and my cousin, my grandma, and myself were all sitting in the truck. we heard the sirens go off, but we just ignored them like normal. and then all of a sudden it went from kind of dark to, like, midnight black, almost. we were trying to open up the doors of the truck and the winds were just going too fast. and then my cousin, he was like, whoa, the truck s tearing up. and then at that moment, the truck flipped on its side and got sucked into the vortex. we could kind of hear everything, like the hail hitting the truck and stuff. it felt terrifying to be in that tornado. you see, like, the wizard of oz, and it s almost like that. but in real life, it s loud and you don t know what s going on. lage was sucked out of the truck. i felt like i was slipping out of the truck. i was holding on to my grandma s hand, and then i felt the truck land, like, the tires bounce. and i was like, ok. i m alive, at least. all i felt was, like, my ribs were broken. i realized that something was actually in me. most people are killed in tornadoes by flying debris. storm chaser: that s the most violent motion. kim klockow mcclain: tornadoes consist of anything the tornado brings into the air. so often a lot of dust and dirt and plants, branches. and then if it s a more violent tornado, that can include debris like planks of wood, shards of glass. mason lillard: i hear my grandma. lage, lage. and i was like, mama, i hear him. he was outside of the truck. it wasn t like a, i m here, or i m ok. it was moaning. storm chaser: oh, no. there are the lines. oh my god. oh my god. look at that. harold brooks: one of the things about a tornado is that it s producing a lot of small pieces of debris that are flying at, you know, 150 miles an hour. and even ordinary objects, dinner plates, two by fours, become really, really deadly at those kinds of high speeds. jim riek: i knew after joplin how destructive a tornado could be. it was moving so slowly that it was like a blender. everything on the ground was getting totally mixed together. and it just hits you again and again and again and again. i saw a piece of cardboard that actually penetrated into the exterior insulation finish system on a school. at the hospital, they had $1 million helicopter. all of the rotors are gone. if a rotor of a helicopter is flying by at 100 miles an hour, what is that going to do to a human body? paul markowski: how far the debris goes is going to depend on essentially how heavy it is. the heavier stuff gets centrifuged out, so big chunks of structures or automobiles. lighter debris, though, like a piece of paper, that won t get centrifuged out. that ll instead go up through the funnel, can end up reaching altitudes of 40, 50,000 feet, and there certainly testimonials out there, people finding pieces of paper or photographs 50 to 100 miles from their origin in the wake of a tornado. mason lillard: we thought it was only, like, 20 minutes before help arrived. it ended up almost being two hours. jim riek: when the paramedics came, they spotted lage first because he s outside. they carried lage out on a two by four, and they brought him to the ambulance, and the paramedic jumped out and said he s not gonna make it. the other ones were trying to cut me out. i had a one inch piece of angle iron go through my right shoulder, break seven ribs, puncture my lower lung, and come out my back. a fourth inch away from my spine and a fourth inch away from my liver. they ended up having to use an electric saw. it felt like 5,000 bees stinging me at one time. and i had arrived sitting on the stretcher, sitting up. once they took my cousin to the hospital, they black tagged him and put him in the morgue. left him for death. a nurse came in and she touched his arm and he let out a horrifying scream, and she grabbed a doctor, said, i think we can save him. two hours later, he was in the or. after the tornado, i had 13 surgeries in total over the course of three years. lage was on the ventilator for at least two weeks. he has a brace on his leg and he can t really use his right arm. but he did survive. the may 22, 2011 tornado killed 158 people directly, and there were three indirect deaths. we did not know that we could experience tornadoes this deadly in modern times. harold brooks: nighttime tornadoes are more dangerous than the same tornado in the daytime, for a lot of reasons. we ascribe this to the fact that people are just less aware at night. [ominous music] i was chasing that day. what was that? oh, i think i see it. i start to see the shape of the tornado come into view. i know this is a significant tornado. oh, wow. that is huge. holy [bleep] ok. ok. ok. we got it. and then i just see the tornado, an absolute beast marching off to the northeast. ah, man, it s moving towards populated area now. it was headed from one small community to another small community, and we knew, based on where this was going, if you draw a line, it s coming right to mayfield. the mayfield event was moving at the upper end of tornado speeds, 60, 65 miles an hour. this was something that is very high end. harold brooks: speed certainly can play an impact on how dangerous a tornado is. a faster tornado is gonna give you less time to react. the speed at which the tornado is going to move along is going to roughly match the speed that the parent thunderstorm s moving along. in some cases, we ve seen storms move as fast as 60, 70, 80 miles per hour because they re embedded in very strong winds. allison chinchar: there is one example of a man in illinois back in 2013. he s filming a tornado that is off in the distance, but he quickly realizes it s actually headed right towards him and his home. man: all right. i got to go. i m coming, honey. woman: [screams] man: aw, man. woman: oh my god! allison chinchar: about 45 seconds later, he gets the look at the scope of the damage that s been done to his house. man: oh my god. our house is freaking destroyed. kim klockow mcclain: the survivors i ve spoken with, they just experience what feels like a building dissolving. one minute i was in a building and the next minute i just wasn t. like a bomb has hit it. it s obliterated. [ominous music] derek vaughan: so at its maximum intensity, the peak winds were up to 190 miles per hour. that s enough to just destroy anything in its path. nothing can stand up to that. you knew people were gonna lose their lives that night. once the tornado approached mayfield, it came in from the southwest side of town. derek vaughan: i had a few officers on shift with me that night. we had decided that we were gonna go ahead and meet at the police department. the services all started going down suddenly. the power in the entire town went off. and of course, when that happened, we knew that it was probably about to hit. i remember officer simpson went to the front window and he just yelled, there s debris coming in. and as i watched him turn and run towards us, the whole front of the building just exploded inward on us. you almost couldn t even tell which way it was up, there was much wind and debris. it was almost like being underwater. trent okerson: mayfield water and electric, their facility was just on the edge of the worst damage path. even there, you saw the massive amounts of debris that was blowing, pieces of wood flying through the air like missiles, and they weren t even directly in the core of that tornado. one of the buildings that was close to the police department that got hit real hard was the f&b bank right there on the court square. and all of a sudden, boom. the tornado hits. it s that fast. trent okerson: the candle factory is a major employer in mayfield. this was right before christmas, and a lot of people that were working extra hours trying to do overtime, and their facility was packed that friday night. autumn kirks: i was working at mcp, the candle factory, that night. me and joe did work together at the factory. usually they try not to put couples together, but for some reason, we ve always made it work. he was so goofy. he d do anything to put a smile on anybody s face. kim klockow mcclain: the night of the storm, the couple were sheltering together when the tornado hit the candle factory. i didn t hear a single thing at all. all i heard was people talking. and then all of a sudden someone said, take cover. brad copeland: the best way i can describe it would be a war zone. i remember thinking the amount of force that could have caused that, you know, how could anybody survive what i was looking at. autumn kirks: joe and i were 10 feet from each other when it first hit. trent okerson: kyanna parsons was an employee there at the candle factory, and kyanna goes on facebook live that night to try to get help from the outside. storm chaser: there s two of them. in 2011, we saw one of those generational tornado outbreaks that doesn t happen in our country but every couple decades. storm chaser: oh, dude, that looks wild. storm chaser: oh, it s right there. that s that tornado right there. storm chaser: [bleep] harold brooks: april 27, there end up being a number of storms that produce tornadoes from central mississippi eastward through alabama. and many of those storms produced multiple tornadoes. just in the state of alabama there were 62 tornadoes that hit that day. seems that every hour that passes today, the news out of the south just gets worse. kim klockow mcclain: after the alabama outbreak, there was kind of a renaissance in our field because we hadn t experienced an event that deeply catastrophic in so long. there were hundreds of fatalities, and we hadn t lost that many people in a tornado outbreak since 1974. storm chaser: oh my god. harold brooks: one of the silver linings of the april 27 outbreak was an understanding that we need to do a whole lot more work on social science with respect to forecasting. i describe myself as a tornado epidemiologist. it s really someone who tries to understand the circumstances that lead someone to be injured or die from something. what are the factors that explain fatalities, and what kinds of interventions can we design, whether in our communication system or structurally in our communities, to help mitigate that threat? among the things studied was the amount of time given to warn the public about tornadoes. a tornado warning is issued when a storm is either actively producing a tornado or it looks really likely to. and we re starting to explore what is the right amount of lead time to give people. what they figured out was there is such a thing as too much lead time. if you give people too much time, say, it s going to be 20 minutes before the tornado arrives, many people will look out their window and see that it s still blue skies. the storm hasn t gotten there yet, and either they think they have more time than they do or they think the storm isn t really going to hit them. so there is such a thing as too much lead time. also what they re studying is how people react to the warning they re given. kim klockow mcclain: fear is a really challenging component of this entire equation. there has been no example i ve seen that is clearer of this fear effect than what happened in oklahoma in 2013. on may 20, we had the tornado that went through oklahoma city and moore and killed 24 people, including several children at a school. and after that, we had just days and days of storms and everyone was just on edge. and when may 31, 2013, a two mile wide tornado hit el reno just west of oklahoma city, we saw spontaneous mass evacuation ahead of that tornado. highways were clogged for over 30 miles. they found out because of fear, people actually did the opposite of what they re supposed to do. they fled their homes. they fled their businesses, places that normally would have been safe. when that happens in mass, that becomes very dangerous. you end up getting stuck in traffic as a tornado hits. reporter: and we re still waiting to hear word on what happened to the 110 people who were inside this candle factory. derek vaughan: once we were able to get down there and assist, i saw that this whole building was just gone. so one of the things that you ll notice if you see kyanna s facebook video was how resilient she was and her efforts to stay positive. kyanna parsons: i was under the rubble approximately about three hours. i see one of the rescue people, and i m crying. i m like, please don t leave me. he says, no, no, no, we re not gonna leave you. a trooper that was at the top grabbed my arm and he pulled. and so got out, and every step i made, there was someone grabbing my hand, someone grabbing my hand, and just there for me. autumn kirks: it felt like a wall on top of me and the three girls next to me. and i don t know who it was, but somebody came and lifted it up and got us all out. the minute i actually got out, i fell to my knees and just broke because i had no idea where joe was. i wanted to go back and look for him. i was told i was not allowed. it hit friday night, and at 9:30 monday morning his mom called me. she s like, autumn, they found him. i m like and i had hope for all of two seconds. she s like, autumn, he didn t make it. i wish i could go back to not knowing because there was hope that, hey, they might still find him. i just i pray that nobody else has to go through this. trent okerson: we have so much technology, we have the ability to control so much in our lives these days. you still can t control mother nature. you can t control a tornado. you can t control what it does. and no matter how prepared you may be, you re still at the mercy of what these storms decide to do. autumn kirks: i have a very healthy respect for mother nature and tornadoes and what they can do. it can ruin your entire life. it can destroy everything you know. in 2011, after the joplin tornado, amber munson had lost her house, most of her possessions,
Normandy, she s unbelievable. there is faulkner with her father, tracy simpson and vietnam, it brought tears to my eyes. he takes us was combat veteran in two theaters, is there anybody more decent pete hegseth as last week and others, who got to remind us, you sure are going to find it in the networks or read about it. the new york times and washington post, this is a very special place. i don t have to say this, i want to say this. twenty tomorrow on life, liberty and levin sunday when we have the governor of florida and america s wiseman, see you then. welcome to one nation, i am brian kilmeade. tonight on the show, dana white, ceo of ufc most successful sport entity in the world and pete hegseth, unwind what s gone wrong before it s too late but first, i want to start with t this, the polls in november and battleground states in many cases are closer but i don t get it when it comes to crowd sizes and enthusiasm it s not a competition. president biden, despite the political power of the white house, the oval office built in everyday can t seem to attract anyone outside his own campaign or perhaps his family. as an trump on the other hand control and enthusiastic crowd wherever he goes. south bronx or rallies, in the winter like conditions at wildwood, new jersey to events that aren t even his like this past weekend ufc event, the passion that surrounds him something to see. ufc ceo, donald trump and a former president. unbelievable. even joe rogan was moved into loyalty from his loyalists coming from the octagon and ufc. watch what the fighters were saying. pretty cool to have a moment there with donald trump after a win. president trump, you re the man. a travesty what they are doing to you. i ll be donating to you, my man. let s get it done. [cheering] a moment with donald trump. one candidate proving america more unobtainable, more than ever before. the other crime is turn time and time again, he wants to give you and everyone the opportunity to experience success he s had. dana white has witnessed growth firsthand. support for president trump unwavering because trump was there for him from the beginning believing in the little engine that could now known as one of america s premier sporting events, ultimate fighting championship. i had a chance to but talk about the relationship with president trump and steadfast support. part one of two parts we have tonight. the one thing that stands out is realty and the one thing appreciate about the former president, maybe future president he was there early, how much does that matter to your relationship? the mark realty is important to me he s been a good friend and he s a massive white man and it s not it was popular but trump was the guy who reached out to us when we couldn t get venues and had us come. we had our first two shows over there and when you think about it, trump here, she print here. he showed up the first fight stayed until the last. the guy who would reach out to me my entire career when things happen say congrats. he was guy who got in with another group who started to compete against us that i would never say anything negatively about trump because it is such good friend and sport. how has that grown? promoter, entrepreneur and builder, president of the no space, does he still call you? yes, i talked to him last night. we talk all the time. he s a good friend of mine. i really care about him as a person. his family, and incredible human being. i m close to him and his family and it will be that way until we die. her family shmuley boteach? connect there doing digit do which is brilliant so what s crazy is your and jared came, i think it was miami the last time, their first fight for four days, they couldn t stop texting me saying this is crazy. we have been to ever think you could go to come up with never been to anything as vanessa. maybe 300, i remember. what is your audience like the president so much? fan base and fighters, we are all aligned in life and everything and it s not that it s any real political side. [chanting] it s common sense, everybody wants the same thing. there s no difference in anybody in this room, if you let the media fiasco away, who want to make a good living in your ho house, want nice cars and kids, who want to take care of our kids. our kids to do well and go to college, everybody wants the same thing, it s not like we don t. it s just the media has created this divide in this country that needs to go away and hopefully soon it will. i know you hate the media you made that clear. thankfully for now i made the cut president s you to speak at the rnc and said defense said don t do it, you did and i was there and you killed it. we need somebody who believes in this country, we need somebody who s proud of this country and who will fight for this country. [cheering] are you glad? everybody told me not to but this is a guy thing gave us a sharp will always hit me up when good things happen at a guy i considered a friend, why what i say no? when he called me, this is what he said. he said if you don t want to do this, i completely understand but i would be honored if you speak at the rnc for me and i said i ll be there, brother. if yes to get? i ll be there. the former president wants to be the next president again, you stare and more fighters eyes than anybody else, where does he rank? number one. take any of the greatest writers of all time, trump was number one. the most resilient human being i ve ever met in my life. in what respect? why keep doing this? got a great life, why keep doing this? the one thing i can tell you and its effect, this guy loves this country and loves all americans regardless of what color, religion or whatever, he s not racist, his good human being and loves america and cares about this country. end of story. if he wasn t that type of guy, i ve never associate myself. prediction? how is he going to do in 2024? looking good, they are trying the kitchen sink and like i said most resilient human being government and keeps marching forward. a little bit more my exclusive interview with dana white later in the show including his latest mentor that could even be bigger than ufc on day one. i do threat china, communist party recruiting u.s. military pilots to train their own army to join intelligent bulletin boards this, china s liberation army pla skills and expertise of these individuals to make its own military air operations more capable any insight into western tactics, techniques and procedures not even hiding it. when they do the west into military submission, chinese nationalist across our southern border at alarming rates. 3500 crossed he legally and make the loan, this may increase over the last three years, less than 2000 in 2022. 2023 24000 plus in the same expected, if not more this year. what are they up to? to assess the stress and so much more is this nation s number one best-selling author, pete hegseth who wrote a book about the challenges here and what we are up against. the war on warriors in the now we will get to more of that in a second. to give the numbers 24000 on the southern border, what are they up to? they re not even hiding it. rolodex and money. not hiding at all. chinese communist party definitely no two individuals are and they ve left nothing happened. everyone has a social critic or, they know if you re coming and going and if you go for reasons unapproved, they know where your families living in these people are on assignment were allowed to be let go did come to the united states, what is the mission and purpose? when you mentioned habits, they are doing it in the open speaking about it starting private companies that look legit and recruit house to train but it s run by the chinese so they create shell companies to make them think they re making a little more cash. this is full-spectrum warfare from every direction. why would anybody in america air force pilots train pallets try to help out the chinese? are they aware you re not on board? this is not qb, we re just giving a speech to the chinese. this is the intel agency doing its job putting out notices and if you are approached by companies never heard of has bags of cash is not your time to cash in because you might be working for somebody working against us. they are trained on our stuff the french and british and they might be open so it s a problem you see from a senior member of the republican side ranking member of the armed services committee and says it s time for a major expansion of the military industrial complex and says we have to invest in the defense plan to make and massive need to make it a for-profit expand the base in which we can make tanks, planes. expand manufacturing you showed me this op-ed i had a chance to talk to staff yesterday just to get insight and it s ascending in the next five to seven years and opening a window where they are going to challenge us in the military capable to meet that. i want to throw money at it but if your auditing making sure money is in the right spot and modernizing to meet the threat of china, that something we have to do. the problem is we are broke vertically spend money it needs to be on the ability to defeat the communist chinese because they are coming for us eventually. the chinese and like 7% of the gdp, with got to get up to 5%. i think it s doable especially if it s for-profit industry, everybody wants patriots, our clients so we could sell them are stuck, there s a market for us. as our allies want to buy more in western europe and we do it through the american industrial base, great. your book is out, it paints an ugly picture where we are with our military but it s all simple. excerpt your book to emphasize for everyone at home. an example of a soldier i spoke to who said thursday is our leader time my platoon leader and skill level stuff for our jobs. training for transgender burning session. chain of command cannot question of someone in the unit want to change their gender. listing of the one in the dod changes to another gender. by the time they transition, three year enlistment is a because they are on medical and not available training, the entire time they hardly served a day in field artillery and i ended with look at china. will not pay for your transgender surgery. he did and obama didn t at the end but biden has broadened with. plus electric stuff, it s so divisive. we have the best and brightest right now, i love this institution but it s gone sideways and we need to fix it, trump is a big chance to fix it. we will keep you in the same thing sunday morning fox & friends . make sure you order the book and watch the show on fox nation. pete, great job. next ahead, you are welcome to watch agreement, one of the most important issues facing young voters in this election cycle it might surprise you. charles payne is here to unwind. ufc president dana white, keep it here. you re watching one nation. [crowd cheering] it may not seem like it, but this, is actually progress in play. a shell energy 100% renewable electricity plan lighting every soccer match at shell energy stadium. we re moving forward with the houston dash. because we re moving forward with everybody. shell. powering progress. we hear all the time publishes for voters this election, immigration. no, it s kind. no, it s abortion but what is the biggest concern for younger americans? i m just checking, we are all in house right now? i m not the only one who runs the numbers of the date and looks of the budget and is like there s no you work hard, you get what you want. no matter how many hours putting, you get nowhere. we bought our house in 2018 and we buy it today 2024, we wouldn t be able to afford it so monthly payment in 2018 was in $2894. today that would be 6000, 776. if you didn t get fixed right now in soaring interest rates, low inventory, how you buy your first home in this impossible market? is the american dream, or should we change? joining us now to offer solutions and allies of the p park, those making money, charles payne. you ve heard this before, what you say to these people. the last guy was humble bringing a little bit. i like what he did there. the young lady was interesting because working hard looking at her age it s been listed to buy a house of this age. first and foremost, do not give up on it. they ve done terrible things with respect for flooding economy and so much money sparking inflation that does not go away. also because the federal reserve has gone involved, you got this whole thing so skewed people have locked in rates reluctant to sell. he will sell a house even if you made big money on it with 2% mortgage and traded in so you don t have a lot of sellers, no incentive for builders. the neuropathy, it s really crazy, really tough. this is going to bug her mind because we have the almost unaffordable housing market in the history of america and in the world. if you want to make housing market affordable, you can do one of three things. housing prices have come down 41%. income on average would go up 69% mortgage rates on average would have to confirm 4.3% instead of over 7% like about three and a half. which it was. not too long ago. the last one is the only one that can happen in the only way interest rates will come them is the economies will go into a deep recession so my advice to people is a couple of things. we are in this new age, work from home so the beautiful thing is you have to overprice to get jobs and consider working further from the city getting a bigger house or smaller payment. the that everyone at the bottom. right now you have to make sacrifices. a couple weeks ago, you got to get these things up. you can t have an only fans account, the public health, you can t go out for avocado toast every morning, you just can t have that. nobody ever could have it all. i said that for long time to buy my house. the little things matter, it s a mindset. say the cash so when circumstances change in the table change and become into recession and housing prices plummet in mortgage rates plummet, you will be in control. it could happen soon. 1981 average person who got the first house, 29. 2013 was 31. 2023 west 35 so that s what s frustrating people. how to bring him something new market the stock market go to texas? looks like they will launch the top texas stock market with the help of rock in citadel in 2026. how real is this? very real. what s ironic, the same week, the same couple of days the news came out, they dropped congestion pricing scheme. charge everyone to drive through the city. you already paid a ton of money and of course parking is crazy so it is ironic governor say let s hold off on congestion pricing. they are chasing businesses out of america. these are major companies and if they are getting tired of new york, don t you think other people will follow? of course because these are companies trying to attract top talent out there, smartest people out there. they have choices. when you graduate from your school in the top of your class, you may not want to go through vatican city that is expensive and a crime-ridden city so they have to make adjustments like every other business and that s why businesses have fled from california and new york, huge. using the numbers and how much it costs to rent u-haul as opposed to one going to new y york. everybody wants one. i think we should keep our eye on that and see what s happening and i see you and your company s ongoing public and keep it private, they just don t want the scrutiny and others looking over their shoulders; public became a scam in my mind the last 20 years, they ve ripped american people off by a trillion dollars. this is my personal opinion. what used to happen is 25 years ago the company would go look at $30 a share and later trading at $60 a share and everyone says look at the money. you could have sucked up and now they stay private and keep raising money privately start with some family in the first round and then another round and every time the raise money natalie, they hike the value of the company it doesn t matter how much. a company could be worth five billing and hike it to 40 billion and then go public at 80 billing. the public has caught on. if you want to go public, go public at a reasonable price because no one should buy these. thanks so much, appreciate the passion and insight and so does america. coming up on the rest of the joke the rest of my interview with dana white from the u.s. these rise relationship with joe rogan, we covered all. don t miss a minute of one nation. listen to the music. i am champion new york, which president emanuel macron rolling out the red carpet at the house president biden for a steak dinner this evening earlier in the day, the two leaders discussed wars and gaza, ukraine and more. the white house working to show it takes threat russia poses to the continent seriously. leaders today coming return of the israeli hostages rescued from the gaza strip. today once again reaching gaza through newly repaired. , crews delivering about 1 million pounds of humanitarian aid today, the. was only operational about a week before i was blown apart with high winds and large waves last month. restrictions on land crossing said fighting limited the flow of supplies to the war-torn territory now back to one nation with brian kilmeade. more not on my interview with the great dana white. he started his career as a bouncer, climbed the ladder to become one of the most successful businessman in sports around the world. president of the usc, a billion-dollar company. the company is breaking records quickly and venues around the world boosting almost 100 million supporters on social media, all platforms and or young, they understand the sport and appreciate the effort and excitement each week fighters. exciting and something like it. i love jujitsu at all, sports. even if the can t walk afterwards, to put it on for you guys. these guys always put it on for the fence connect different styles fighting against each other and i love the background stories about letters and i love getting into it. the unpredictability. every night. negative passion? travel to find out about the magic behind man that runs the autopsy. he said easily this is the number one sports league in the world and in the country. what you think about ufc when you are working here people would laugh if you thought it would overtake boxing good luck you ve taken this hard work that america, i like to shine here but i want to be a force around the world. what you do without gabi and to expand this global brand? the beautiful thing upset stay one, this will eventually be the biggest in the world because no matter color country or language you speak, we are all human and fighting is in our dna. and make sense and everybody understands and when you find a guy who s the baddest dude a woman in the world and they speak like you speak and look like you, everybody rallies around them so there isn t a fighter in the world the country we can t find a fighter from like i told you, he continues to expand, we are streaming and go to places with never been about saudi arabia for the first time working on africa. we haven t been to spain yet. i opened an institute in mexico city. some of the baddest dude to other mexicans so imagine the mexicans that will come up in the next five to ten years you build a facility fighters become? one 100%. when you think about business in the history of the world that produced trillions of dollars in revenue like boxing has in the end of the day is nothing there, we built a leak and reinvest in the sport and ufc every year. millions, tens of millions the hundreds of millions of dollars we invest into the sport to reach this vision i have. you can have a sport where you allow blows to the brainstem paralyze your opponent. he tried to stop it. and here we are today it s a global sport. we break records after work and i m pretty sure will break the record this week so when we going to venues like rolling stones and massive acts in these arenas, i love that about it. they keep saying america has gone soft, there s a lot of adrenaline in your stands and the octagon and people prom promoting, are you the anomaly? probably. i agree the world has gone soft and agree that we are not in any way, shape or form. if you say you are savage, to make a killing easier. when i grew up there was old money and in the, it was harder there s a lot of disruption now. there s never been more opportunity in my lifetime than there is right here and right now. if you are one of these young kids who has heart and grit and determination and want to win, there s never been more opportunity than right now. a 19-year-old dana white had to go, you had to have side jobs or there s no safety net. for people who have a safety net, how do you keep the hunger? different than hunger i say this all the time, the problem with people as they don t know what they want to do the rest of their life. i was lucky that i always knew what i wanted to do. it wasn t this, i wanted to be in the fight business no matter what it was and i started my way in the bottom and worked my way up but these jobs like paving roads and being a bellman, these are the jobs you have to have growing up like people tell me, he worked hard. when i get to work everyday nine to nine, you know who works hard? the guys paving roads everyday digging ditches and guys who pour concrete in roofing jobs. that s hard work so you have to have those jobs to understand what real hard work really is. i just watched you and people would be happy with that turner let alone away in. when you come to fight week you have my favorites from a number one is the fight. number two are face-offs and the press conference leading up to it. when you are a fight man, those are usually the three things. wayne is the opportunity where you get to see how mentally, physically in every way shape or form how prepared are the fighters? if the guy looks away during the face-offs or doesn t look in shape, that s when you look to see who s going to win. i think your checking out the fighters, you re looking at t them. i love this game. i love everything about it. two be able to stand in the middle every saturday between the best fighters in the world getting ready for the fight the next day is one of the coolest things you see behind us, they pay to have that experience and i pulled a young kid right there and the main event, it s like what the once-in-a-lifetime type of stuff. it is the man in me is what it is. i love you so much and i do it 23 years now so i can imagine what it s like. can was on never dig up ag again. do you remember a time when they said he dies in the ring and said in modern america, there s no place, it s too brutal. contact sports are dangerous. la crosse, boxing, mma, the list goes on 30 year history, there s never been a death or serious injury. how many sports can say. and you made it, he put a time limit and put white president, that s a lot to do with the rules you put in. is it the way it started? who want to regulated sports and we spent millions in health and safety. if you take athletes into the proper medical testing. make it as safe as you can possibly make it. the one thing that sticks with me is loyalty. i think about the story the boys wanted how joe rogan went from the guy on fear factor he looked like an athlete the whole time. i did not know he worked for y you. when we first company basin new york, i had to fly and go through and figure out what would come back and what i would throw away. will credible is because this will hear so i had to go through every single tape and one tape he had his top show and joe rogan on, the fear factor guy. you are the biggest [bleep] on the planet. what you doing? you can t assault people. you can t run up to him and hit him. this open fighting stuff and broken goes into this talking about how incredible the sport is, what these guys would do to movie stars and what they would do to boxers and stuff and i saw him and it clicked and i go, this is the guy i need, who i need to be my commentator so i reached out and we hit it off and that s it and he said wait a minute, you re telling me the sport i love the most in the world but the best seat in the house and talk about it on tv, i haven t reheated the first 13 for free and the rest is history. the biggest podcast are in the world, brady greatest commentator of all time. your latest. he sent us through the roof. can you describe it and why it works for you? the most successful thing about a part of in such a short amount of time. in 15 months it s a massive social media juggernaut and financial beast. i love it. you seem to love it. everything the people are saying is exactly what they said about the ufc in early days and plenty of people don t like it. plenty of people didn t like the ufc but there are 8 billion people in the world, believe me. enough people like it to make it incredibly successful. congratulations. thanks. can t go wrong with him. very nice and sit down and get politic time. big fight at the end of the month. i ll be back on stage, history, liberty and flask to her and i ll talk patriotic, inspirational, motivational. indianapolis june 29. towards the end of july in pennsylvania, i ll be driving there and i get a chance and go to the meeting great, i ll sign your book and take some pictures if you go for the vip treatment. next, they ll never guess what undercover spy joe biden claims to have known for 40 years. we ll take the next is tom shillue joins us on news dual. we ve always loved taking care of our home, from the gardening to any repairs that come up. but last year, grandpa here broke his arm. snowboarding. snowshoeing. anyway, he was fine, but it takes longer to heal now. and we prefer to stay active. we realized some home maintenance jobs aren t worth the risk. that s when we called leaffilter to protect our gutters. leaffilter s patented filter technology keeps debris out of your gutters for good. guaranteed. they gave us a free inspection, and we got our system installed that week. our leaffilter trusted pros will clean out your gutters, repair or replace your gutters, and install leaffilter, america s #1 gutter protection system. honestly, my only regret is not calling sooner. it s true, leaffilter has saved us so much time and the peace of mind. now we can focus on what we really enjoy. join millions of satisfied homeowners. get leaffilter. call 833 leaffilter today, or visit leaffilter.com smile! you found it. the feeling of finding psoriasis can t filter out the real you. so go ahead, live unfiltered with the one and only sotyktu, a once-daily pill for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, and the chance at clear or almost clear skin. it s like the feeling of finding you re so ready for your close-up. or finding you don t have to hide your skin just your background. once-daily sotyktu was proven better, getting more people clearer skin than the leading pill. don t take if you re allergic to sotyktu; serious reactions can occur. sotyktu can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections, cancers including lymphoma, muscle problems, and changes in certain labs have occurred. tell your doctor if you have an infection, liver or kidney problems, high triglycerides, or had a vaccine or plan to. sotyktu is a tyk2 inhibitor. tyk2 is part of the jak family. it s not known if sotyktu has the same risks as jak inhibitors. find what plaque psoriasis has been hiding. there s only one sotyktu, so ask for it by name. so clearly you. sotyktu. 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[sfx] ambient / laughing. time no, great graphics feature best cocteau. joining us now to talk about tom shillue. are you ready? i m ready. let s hear the music. first appears on news dual connective know him for over 40 years. he s not a decent man, he s a dictator acting as a dictator. forty years ago he was in new zealand. vladimir putin seen as the photographer during the years and deputy mayor. is no way he knew him 40 years ago. this could be one of those great joe biden stories. he tells great stories are apocryphal site was a double agent, he was in new zealand until name : pop and we are on the beaches. hold on. i m going to get in trouble. the 20 always says, i m going to get in trouble. a story that and never happened want to go on record, i ve never trusted giraffes. do .? we have the footage? a draft picks up taller during the wild safari right and i m not surprised. if you look at the faces, we think the drop is a cute animal that kids have in the playset, the draft with the long neck. this dress, noting, picks up 2-year-old paisley and out of the moonroof in the car. can you imagine the horror? i m prepared. when i go to the zoo, i tell my kids, stay away from the draft, they are vicious, picnics. you see the veins in the next? they are bulging. huge next. our thinking no moon works on a safari but that s different next, michigan man had a court date, he has a suspended license. he called in the car to the court date and we thought that was the big story. then we find out he didn t have a suspended license but it thickens, it turns out he never had a license to suspend, his driving without a license so now we see cory harris never should have been driving when he came for his court date, he was driving. but he didn t like, it s a clintonian defense like the meaning of is, is, you can t suspended license that never existed in the first place you have another one? look at these nuns. they were part and it s nuns gone wild. they whether habits in the water. look at this. they are having a great time, it s great the nuns are getting out. there is a sense they don t have a good time and thus not true, is that what you re trying to say? to have a great time and i could hang with them because when i go to the beach, i cover-up i m an spf guy but stuff washes off of the waterpark. even the stuff that says it s waterproof, it s not so cov cover-up, i look like a nun or muslim woman. this isn t the first time we ve seen nuns having a good time. remember this documentary? you re going to go straight to hell. connect seems like a good movie. being a nun is more fun than i could ever imagine. 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all russian and soviet dictators, their problem is they always think that they re the last line of defense. you are in power. you have the right to, if you decide, to destroy it so nobody else will get it. the united states doesn t even notice that the soviets are on edge. they didn t even put the soviet reaction into ronald reagan s presidential daily brief. [indistinct radio chatter] [narrator] before andropov can act, the able archer operation wraps up on schedule. [pilot] roger that. [narrator] andropov is finally persuaded that this really was just an exercise. this time. [tim] the united states didn t know to ratchet down the tension when it really mattered. that is an indicator of just the lack of understanding that the united states and the soviet union had of each other. but in a nuclear confrontation, lack of understanding can have catastrophic consequences when adversaries have nuclear weapons pointed at each other and don t understand each other. every day in every state across the country, our political system is bankrolled by an army of fund-raisers, pulling in millions of dollars a race. sometimes it looks like you might imagine knocking on doors, calling every name in the phone book, and emails so many emails. but for all those little fish throwing $100 to their local race, it s the whales those campaign fund-raisers really need powerful, rich individuals and companies. and when they donate $25,000, $100,000, a million dollars, they want a favor.or 10. it should be obvious that s corrupt, but with a wink and a nod, political deals toe the bribery line every single day. and we may never have noticed that if a certain illinois governor hadn t flung back the curtain with an unrepentant ego, a political corruption crime spree, and a set of unprecedented audio recordings that shined a bright light on the inner workings of american political power. ladies and gentlemen, meet rod blagojevich. it was early morning, cause i used to get up every morning and turn on the 6:00 news, and, you know, like, you re kinda waking up, and then you re like, well, wait, what? [helicopter whirring] oh, sh , they outside of blagojevich s house! they got cameras, they got cars, and then they march him out. and you re like, that s our governor, joe. breaking news the illinois governor, rod blagojevich, charged with plotting to sell barack obama s former senate seat. tapper: remember this guy? he sure hopes you do. governor rod blagojevich went down in a blaze of infamy for one of the largest political corruption scandals of our time. the governor was allegedly trying to sell the illinois senate seat vacated by president-elect obama. in fact, part of the governor s sales pitch was that the seat still had that new obama smell. [audience laughter] appointing someone to the senate is a rare opportunity when the will of the people is swapped wholesale for a gubernatorial power trip. blagojevich had the sole authority to place whomever he wanted straight into the halls of the u.s. senate, and he was not shy about wanting a little something in return. with the fbi recording his phone calls, for the first time since nixon, the public was able to listen in on raw backroom politics, and there s nothing quite like hearing it from the horse s mouth. reporter: the criminal complaint quotes blagojevich as saying the senate seat was a valuable thing. you just don t give it away for nothing. another quote i ve got this thing, and it s bleeping golden. [blagojevich speaking] i ve got this thing, and it s [bleep] golden. -yeah. -[audience laughter] and i m not just giving it up for [bleep] nothing. [laughter] was there a second [bleep] in there? tapper: racking up a staggering 24 criminal charges, governor blagojevich s actions essentially boiled down to four things extortion, bribery, corruption, and wire fraud. and it wasn t just about the senate seat. blagojevich was also found guilty of extorting a children s hospital. you can t write this stuff. he s an arrogant punk who thinks that, you know, he s bulletproof. well, he s not. he was convicted on 18 total charges and sentenced to 14 years, the longest sentence ever handed down to a governor. people loathed blagojevich for the way he politicked, but was what he did so blatantly criminal? cause the truth is that the line between what s illegal and what s allowable is much murkier than we d like to think, and this is where the rod blagojevich story gets interesting. let me reassert to all of you once more that i am not guilty of any criminal wrongdoing. [camera shutter clicks] was rod a corrupt politician or just a politician operating in a corrupt system that still thrives to this day? so, governor, thanks for doing this. thank you. so you ve been out of prison now for almost two years. a little over two years. and you re still very outspoken about how you feel like the case against you was unjust. there isn t really an argument about what you said. -right. -it s on tape. right. the question is whether it was illegal and whether it was morally wrong. look, if you re saying, do we have a fund-raising system in america that you can arguing is legalized bribery? i think there s truth to that. but did i do anything other than that standard that every other person in politics does, from president biden on down? i did the same as them and nothing worse. there is this real problem in american politics today where prosecutors are weaponizing themselves, criminalizing routine illegal practices in government politics, and i think it s wrong when they do it to bill clinton. it s wrong, i think, when they did it to president trump cause i have strong views on that, and i know it was wrong when they did it to me. okay, lot to unpack there. let s talk about the chicago and illinois system, because you re hardly the first governor in history, even in recent history, to to go to prison. what s the situation here that causes this to happen? well, i think it s time-honored here, and there s a long history in chicago politics, illinois politics, where pretty much everybody gets rich. ah, chicago politics. it s like going to a pay pond when you go fishing. like, if you are a prosecutor, you cannot be in illinois and not get something. illinois is steeped in a rich history of political corruption that dates back a century to the prohibition era, when bootlegging gangsters such as al capone bought off politicians and police departments, keeping them drunk on power and.also just drunk. in rod s lifetime, illinois has developed a rap sheet that any mobster would be proud of more than 1,700 convictions for corruption, including nearly 30 chicago aldermen, eight stage legislators, two u.s. congressmen, and before rod came onto the scene, three governors. in an odd way, the very people who should hate the idea of corruption are kind of proud that this is al capone s illinois. chicago is a wink and a nod town. -it s a shot and a beer town. -[clink] lot of it has to do with family relationships, because a lot of the political leadership in chicago and illinois are family-related. there s the daley family, the madigans. all of these families sort of become part of this mafia. -yeah. -a political mafia, and they re the ones who make the rules. i didn t come from that. i had to marry into it. i met a girl on the 6th of march, 1988. she was wearing a red dress, and she happened to be the daughter of an old-fashioned chicago political war boss. and she s my wife patti. we fell in love. patti blagojevich is a loyal wife, she is a tough customer, and she s the daughter of dick mell. she s complicated. that budding relationship between those two is how rod goes from this nobody politically, finding a way to kind of imbed himself into one of these big political families in chicago. they have so much power. i don t think it was, you know, some great surprise that, like, you know, when it comes time to meet the parents, that dick mell was the father-in-law and the the powerful city council chieftain. we re gonna try to work together to put this great city back together so that we re all part of it and we all feel free. dick mell was a guy who always had the voice in the backrooms. he was a power broker in that kind of chicago classic sense. before politics, it was a nice relationship, but for the most part, respectful. and then because i was in the family, and i was actually pretty good at helping her dad, local politics, knocking on doors and trying to get him votes, there was an opportunity to run for office. in rod blagojevich, mell could see a guy that eventually, if he does it right, i could sort of pass the mantle toward. rod was an immediate hit with illinois voters, who sent him first to the state house in 1992 and then to the u.s. congress in 1996. dick mell says, i can see you being governor. and i gotta be honest, i m sure if i m looking at it from dick mell s position, he s saying, man, if i can elect this guy governor, i can run the whole state. reporter: the campaign for illinois governor has gotten pretty lively. you ve got chicago congressman rod blagojevich. what s that name again? -bala-jo-vich. -reporter: bala-jo-vich, huh? -bala-jo-vich. -you sure? positive. tapper: during rod s 2002 governor s campaign, dick mell s membership in the old school chicago elite was a definite bonus, but it was rod s working class bonafides and people skills that did all the rest. coming from the family he did, he had a real working class chip on his shoulder, and his two heroes were elvis and richard nixon, both because they were guys who came from the wrong side of their tracks and fought their way up and were kind of disdained by the elites. in fact, if those two gritty 20th century icons fought their way into a single person, you might actually end up with rod blagojevich, for better and for worse. the rod blagojevich that i first met was youthful. he was energetic. he had this kind of mane of black hair that was super thick, and you could tell it was filled with hair product. the hair so iconic in its own right, that it became a comedy staple on every late night show. -the hair. -the hair. really, it looks like you re wearing a toupée that s also wearing a toupée. [audience laughter] he had a huge infatuation with elvis presley. his charisma was disarming. [cheers and applause] [amplified voice] thank you. thank you very much. [cheers, whistles, and applause] but the elvis of illinois was itching to lose his colonel parker, because despite the many benefits of dick mell s patronage, rod was still in his shadow. you know, he really became known as dick mell s son-in-law first. and i know he hated that. he didn t know how to both be his own man and not let dick mell foreshadow him. the only way for rod to survive outside of his father-in-law s machine was to create his own cash flow. so his first step was to hire two of chicago s most bare-knuckled political fund-raisers, chris kelly and tony rezko. chris kelly and tony rezko could generate big bucks. they were fund-raisers. they were donors. you know, let s just call em what they were. they were influence peddlers. they wound up being able to shake the bushes here and help rod raise money. they promised access and favors if blagojevich won, and they got results. where dick mell s good old boys would fetch $2,000 at a time, kelly and rezko would shake loose 50 grand. all that money plus rod s appeal to voters who had felt ignored by the entrenched chicago political dynasties well, it proved to be an unstoppable combination. he ran on some things that were uniquely important to black people. healthcare for kids is a good idea. when he said, free rides for seniors on public transportation, that resonated with black people specifically. blagojevich became governor in 2003. -congratulations, governor. -thank you. may god bless you. [cheers and applause] how do you view your your time as governor apart from the scandals? how do i say this in a way where i don t sound like a guy without any humility? but i truly believe i was a great governor. i can t think of any governor in my life that did anything for anybody i knew that can walk around and say, you know what? thank you, governor. my daughter had healthcare through you. free public transportation for seniors and the disabled? i did that cause they raised the sales tax, which hurts working people and poor people and seniors. with the legislature raising taxes that hit lower-income illinoisans hardest, and rod striking back with policies to offset that, it s no surprise that his populist agenda made him a lot of enemies amongst the big political families. to the people and the masses, he was on our team, and to the aristocracy and to the political elites, he was this guy that was taking their resources and giving em to the peasants, and so he became robin hood. i knew the reality that i m gonna have resistance from the old guard, the old ward bosses, the madigans, daley to some extent, my father-in-law, and so the goal was raise money now and raise a lot of it so that you can afford to make enemies, and you can afford to lose support. right, but some of these people that you were that you were relying on like chris kelly were were corrupt. -right? -turned out that chris had problems in his own personal business, and he was found guilty of those things. had nothing to do with me. but, like, a lot of the people in the world of fund-raising are not necessarily. -they are not. -.upstanding individuals. -no, they re not. -yeah. -no, they re not. what s the saying? ignorance is not a defense ? tony rezco and chris kelly they started compiling this list of different entities that were state contractors, and they hit all those people up for money, probably with rod s assistance. hey, you got a contract? you wanna keep it? or you want to get more? you gotta pony up. a lot of people in play have scalpel-like tendencies when they fund-raise, and rod was probably more of a meat cleaver. [beeping] -[telephone rings] -kelly and rezco were using government levers to squeeze anyone they could for a campaign contribution kickbacks like a cushy job or a fat contract, a little light extortion such as holding up teachers funds. they had deep pockets to fill and a financial machine to do it. you can t trade official actions as a governor in exchange for campaign contributions or jobs. i mean, there is one simple word for that. it s called graft. graft is simply the use of political power and authority in exchange for personal gain. to state the obvious, appointing unqualified people to state positions because you wanna use the government as a vending machine for your political campaign that s completely illegal. the m.o. was to make money from every state petitioner possible, and small-town hospital ceo pam davis looked like just another easy mark. but in this case, the whole shakedown process is recorded by the hospital executive who was getting shaken down. [laughs] woman: he needs to reset your wire. [laughs] oh, god, another wire. sorry for, uh. -i don t care. -just in here. uh, the governor really wasn t on my radar, um, at all until i experienced an extortion attempt through one of his, um, colleagues. pam s hospital system wanted to build a new facility in plainfield, illinois. seems pretty straightforward, but there were red flags right away when she went to get government approval for the project. davis: in my case, the governor had appointed individuals to this board who had either contributed money to his campaign, so they bought their way on, or individuals that were controlled by the governor and other individuals and would approve only those projects where a kickback was going to be given. turns out the board was willing to approve the hospital. all she had to do was use builders and lenders who were in their pocket and pad the contract so the board could take. let s call it a transaction fee for their trouble. it became clear to me that this was a major extortion attempt, and i was furious. so i called the fbi. the feds set her up with a wire so they could listen in on her meetings with board members and get the dirt straight from the source. she d be meeting with these players, and they would be basically laying out the whole scheme to her. davis: the contract would be padded, um, by roughly $10 million so that that money would go then to the various players. at one point, i decided, i wonder if this goes up to the governor, because the governor appoints these individuals to the various boards. the feds were wondering the same thing, and over the course of their investigation, their suspicions proved to be spot on. out of the public eye, rod s fund-raising goons, chris kelly and tony rezko, felt safe to strong-arm money from donors across illinois. but unbeknownst to them, the fbi was following their every move as part of a far-reaching corruption investigation into the blagojevich administration. as the money rolled in, their role in rod s administration only grew, which had his father-in-law, dick mell, feeling as though he d been served divorce papers. as dick mell famously said, he got replaced by a trophy wife or trophy wives. those were the people who were getting the love that he should have gotten and wasn t getting. we all know that you got here because of dick mell. rod says, i got my own team, and so don t talk to dick mell. not only does he not do what you wanna do, but he said, don t talk to my boss. i m the boss now. well, dick mell ain t feeling that, and dick mell is not the type to be like, so, may i talk to you privately? mell wears his heart on his sleeve, his anger on his sleeve. .leave me out! he can love you today, and if he starts hating you tomorrow, he can, you know, pull the switch just like that. and mell becomes more and more resentful of being cast aside, and so that fueled this tension in that family to the point where it eventually exploded. [explosion] that explosion came in 2005, and though it may not have aired on reality tv, it was still inextricably linked to garbage. rod blagojevich closed down this landfill which dick mell was a part owner of. rod said that this was for environmental issues. tapper: what did he want you to do? leave it alone, and i had learned that it was operating in violation of the environmental laws. i had knowledge of that. uh, ultimately, i decided i had a duty, that i had to shut it down, and then he made some accusations that really unleashed the furies. dick mell called a press conference and basically accused rod blagojevich of selling board and commission seats within state government. reporter: mell has had a falling out with his son-in-law, the governor. this is a family at war. so your father-in-law, dick mell, accused chris kelly of selling political favors for campaign contributions of $25,000 to $50,000 at a time. tell me about where were you when you heard that he was leveling this accusation. i remember vividly. it was early january of 2005, and this was the consequence of me shutting down his landfill. the very next day, he called a press conference, and he was clever enough to accuse chris kelly, not directly me, but that s me. i don t think he envisioned that it would turn into something that would ultimately land me in prison, but i know he did this to hurt me politically and cause me problems with the fbi. tapper: mel s allegations backed rod into a corner, giving the fbi room to prosecute his inner circle, until in 2008, the feds secured a secret wiretap on the governor himself. feeling the squeeze, rod started looking for some kind of escape route, and then a golden opportunity landed right in his lap. at this defining moment, change has come to america. [cheers and applause] now that senator barack obama is president-elect barack obama, someone will have to take over his senate seat. this is the governor s decision. uh, it is not my decision. the criteria that i would have for my successor would be the same criteria that i d have if i were a voter. senator obama becomes president obama. he resigns his senate seat. according to the law here in illinois, you as the governor get to name his replacement. now you re excited about this, and you say on tape, i d like to get the [bleep] out of here, and you re talking about options for yourself. does that mean, i d like to get the [bleep] out of here, you were sick of being governor? that s absolutely the things i was saying, of course, and i was looking at all kinds of options. so he attempted to trade obama s seat for a golden parachute. he begins to be heavily courted by all sorts of people who would love to be that u.s. senator. they saw something really valuable here a very valuable bargaining chip that could elevate his power in some way or or benefit them monetarily. when i said i wanted to get the eff out of here, it s because the fbi people and my persecutors were all over me, and it s the sort of thing, when that stuff s swirling around you, you know that stuff s swirling around you. -right. -and it s there. it s everywhere, and it and it was just very clear to me that they were determined to get me no matter what. i guess one question i have is knowing that they were looking at you, why did you talk about this stuff that way? look, i had 2,896 days in prison to ask myself a thousand questions, including that. but you know what? what s the alternative? i have all my staff and lawyers. we all go to saunas and get naked and talk to each other so nobody s got wires on em? -no, or -what s the alternative? or you just don t say anything, or you just say, like, this seat is very important, and we wanna make sure the best person gets it. and separately, i am thinking that i d like to not be governor of illinois anymore. well said. i don t make a habit of telling politicians how to avoid jail time, but here s the thing. being more cautious could have gotten rod everything he wanted and kept him out of prison, but caution is not really in rod s dna. [blagojevich speaking] [line disconnects] jackson: you know they taping you, so you can t say that out loud, right? breaking news the illinois governor charged with plotting to sell barack obama s former senate seat. reporter: illinois rod blagojevich was arrested tuesday morning by federal authorities and charged with corruption. dude. dude! dude. you know they trying to get you, dawg. but why? why? reporter: the day after being arrested on corruption charges, illinois governor rod blagojevich walked out of his house and headed back to work. -[camera shutter clicks] -tapper: all in all, rod blagojevich was facing 24 charges connected to four specific events the attempted sale of obama s senate seat, withholding legislation that would benefit a children s hospital and racetrack in an attempt to get political contributions, and the attempted extortion of a highway contractor. [amplified voice, chanting] 2, 3, 4, blago must go! i personally think he should at least step aside if not resign. my husband is an honest man, and i know that he s innocent. jackson: he thought that he had the moral high ground. i don t believe there s any cloud that hangs over me. -man: governor, governor -well, getting back to that, can we discuss your i think there s nothing but sunshine hanging over me. he didn t show any of the humility or anything. you just can t stick your finger in the eye of the federal government. let me reassert to all of you once more that i am not guilty of any criminal wrongdoing, that i m confident that at the end of the day, i will be, uh, properly, uh, exonerated. [reporters speaking at once] i represented rod blagojevich in two of his criminal trials. i mean, he wanted to fight his case. he believed he was innocent, and he was working to that end to try and prove his innocence. anyone who believes that this was a selling of some senate seat doesn t understand politics. every single day in politics, that is what happens, is this horse-trading. and if you really listen to this in context, what you heard was talking with various people, getting annoyed, talking about nonsense, and then the end. nothing really that was ever acted on. later, rod blagojevich s lawyers would argue that what rod did specifically with the senate seat was no worse than when president eisenhower appointed earl warren as chief justice of the supreme court. back in 1952, dwight eisenhower s about to win the nomination to become the republican president. earl warren, the governor of california, is withholding the delegation s votes. governor warren tells eisenhower, i ll deliver the delegation for you on one condition. i wanna be the next chief justice of the supreme court. ike, the great war hero, shakes hands, says, you got a deal. he wins. one year later, earl warren is the chief justice of the united states supreme court. rod wanted a political appointment from obama, and for that, he was prepared to trade obama s old senate seat, which is actually legal. otherwise, eisenhower would have gone to jail, and americans would not have liked ike. do you see yourself as somebody who was just trying to function in perhaps an inherently corrupt but legal system, and that theoretically almost any politician could be snagged the way you were? absolutely. of course i do, except i m giving me higher marks. because i was using that money that that and that power gave me to fight an established system that served itself on the backs of the people, and when you do that, you piss a lot of people off, and they wanna get rid of you. but do you think that you re earthier about it? like, more outspoken about it? well, i wasn t hiding any of it, but these because it s legal, and that s how you govern. abraham lincoln was able to get the 13th amendment passed at congress, which ratified the emancipation proclamation, freeing slaves. he had to make political deals with members of congress to get the votes to pass it. -that s how you get things done. -you re not comparing yourself to abraham lincoln. -by no means. -okay. -and please say that. i m not comparing myself to abraham lincoln. you re not or the emancipation proclamation. okay, right. he s a lot taller than me, and i never did anything as great as that, of course not. -but you re also not talking about the i mean, the emancipation proclamation of course i m not. governor blagojevich tried to sell the appointment to the senate seat vacated by president-elect obama. the conduct would make lincoln roll over in his grave. you re very critical of pat fitzgerald. yeah, he s an evil guy. he s a wicked guy. he s a scoundrel, and he deserves to get an ass kicking. you know? and he s a big coward. anyway, go ahead. sorry. well, i think he would take issue with everything you just said. you know, he has a reputation for being the choirboy, for being, you know, an upstanding, moral person. he sees himself as, i am trying to uphold some basic standards for our politicians. that s how he views it. governor blagojevich has been arrested in the middle of what we can only describe as a political corruption crime spree. we had a political and public narrative that we had to overcome, and when the entire potential jury pool believes that your client is guilty before they ve even heard the evidence, you re going into the trial like if it s a basketball game, you re losing 100 to nothing. or it s like if you re a governor, and you re getting impeached 114 to 1, and the lone vote in rod s favor his sister-in-law, deb mell. done from office and eager to prove he was not a crook, rod knew exactly where to plead his case. please welcome to the program governor rod blagojevich! [applause] you are a charming dude with the best set of hair i ve ever [bleep] seen. [audience laughter] so i want this to be real. got some challenges ahead, but, uh, i m gonna trust in the truth and as it says in the bible, the truth shall set you free. rod blagojevich just.kept.talking. how are you? you wanna get on tv? come on in. i think he was able to warm himself a little bit with the public. better to be seen as a klutz than a crook. sure, everyone loves a good laugh, but oversaturating the talk show circuit may have had unintended consequences, as david letterman told rod when he appeared on the late show in 2009. the more you talked and the more you repeated your innocence, the more i said to myself, oh, this guy s guilty. [laughter] so during the period from your impeachment to your trial and your sentencing, you did a lot of media appearances. what was the strategy behind that? my feeling was like, look, i didn t do any of that stuff, and what does somebody do who s being lied about? but you have a tremendous desire to get out at the highest mountain and yell out, i didn t do it. well, letterman said that the louder you yelled it, the more it made him think you were guilty. yeah. yeah, i mean, i didn t i didn t convince him, but, uh, i think i convinced donald trump. that s why i got invited on celebrity apprentice, right? i have great respect for your tenacity, for the fact that you just don t give up. but, rod.you re fired. what i saw over the course of rod s career was a guy who started off as kind of a charming rogue and a guy who really did give voice to concerns that people had to someone who became almost a parody of himself. and by the time that trial came around, he really was his own worst enemy. see you in court. he thought that the court of public opinion could save him, but he had disturbed forces that decided, it was a wrap for you, dude. don t poke the feds, fam. just don t do it. man: blago, can i get your autograph? reporter: at verdict today, in a notorious case that federal prosecutors did not want to hear, rod blagojevich was convicted today on only one count. -see you guys! -man: way to go, baby! tapper: the jury was hung on all but one of the charges against blagojevich, and without unanimous consent, the result was a mistrial on the remaining 23 charges. the jury, like a lot of people to this day, just could not agree on whether what he d done was actually illegal. in that first trial, the jury deadlocked on everything except for lying to the fbi. -right. you were convicted of lying to the fbi. -right. -do you acknowledge that you lied to the fbi? -no. no. i don t. i ll tell you about that. it was about how much of your associates that were fund-raising for you, the degree to which you knew what you were doing. yeah, it was the issue was i said, i didn t, as a practice, track fund-raising. and who got contracts? i didn t. i didn t look into who got contracts. i wasn t interested in that. i had 27,000 contributors. i wasn t tracking who gave me money, who got what. the first trial was too confusing for the jury, and they had a lot of paper documents. it was a lot of witness testimony. man: governor, are you anxious for this to begin? i feel great. absolutely. what the government did in the second trial is they pared down their their case, and they believed that everything was in the tapes and they needed to make this trial a lot simpler. [blagojevich speaking] he was swearing a lot. .and upset and not appreciative of the position that he had. and i think that was more influential in the jury s decision than than anything. it made him look bad. breaking news right now the jury has reached a decision, convicting blagojevich on 17 counts of corruption. -reporter: wire fraud. -bribery. blitzer: attempted extortion. solicitation of a bribe. blitzer: racketeering. conspiracy to commit bribery and conspiracy to commit extortion. rod blagojevich was convicted on almost all counts and sentenced to 14 years. patti and i are obviously very disappointed, uh, in the outcome. i, frankly, am am stunned. when did you realize, oh, shit, i might actually be going to prison ? -from the beginning. -really? -i knew i was a dead man. -really? -yeah. -why? cause they have so much power and resources, and i, you know, wasn t really surprised when i got 14 years. the justification for the judge was, you treated this like a golden glove boxing match, but those corrupt liars are lucky dueling is outlawed, cause i d have challenged them to a duel. rapists and murderers get so much less time? that s why this system is so wrong and so broken. let me offer you an alternate theory. sure. my alternate theory is that the entire system of justice that we have in this country depends on prosecutors and police who are incentivized to get convictions. -mm-hmm. -period. what do you think of that? well, i think you re almost right. [laughs] i never took a penny. no one says i did. i keep saying that cause that s so important to me. i don t want people to think that i was some one of these corrupt politicians that was taking cash. tapper: but remember, even though he never actually got that envelope full of money, that was because the feds closed in before the senate deal was done. the offers being considered, campaign contributions or a lucrative job in a nonprofit, the fact of accepting them that would have been simply illegal, hence, the charge of conspiracy to commit bribery, which he was definitely guilty of. rod s argument is no cash changed hands, but prior to that, there had been plenty of money changing hands. there s ample evidence these government positions, these government contracts they were effectively for sale. it does not matter if rod blagojevich actually won the argument and got the money or the donations he was seeking. it s the ask. if something goofs it up, but the burglary or robbery s interrupted, it doesn t make it less of an intended burglary or robbery, right? he had his day in court. that 14 years was what the system gave him. so you went to prison for almost eight years? 2,896 days. and let me tell ya what gets you through prison when you have to face something like that. it s love and it s faith love for my daughters and my wife. you know, when i was arrested, within days, the vegas oddsmakers had it 9 to 1 that she was leaving. so in that sense, i ve been so lucky and blessed. after he was sent to prison, patti proclaimed his innocence, and she did try and go to any leader that she could find to have him either pardoned or commuted. and when all else failed, patti blagojevich knew exactly who to appeal to next. after rod goes to prison, patti was essential in keeping their life together. more than anything else, maybe, she got in donald trump s ear. trump had a connection with blagojevich cause rod was on the apprentice, and patti blagojevich was on fox news every day. you know, we know that president trump is a kind man, and he s compassionate. he s always been kind to my family. and when you speak on fox news, you have a direct connection with donald trump. today the president sprung from prison former illinois governor rod blagojevich, who was convicted after attempting his own quid pro quo. yes, uh, we have commuted the sentence of rod. i watched his wife on television. quote, um, i watched his wife on television. -yes. -end quote. how did how did that happen? i think he just saw he he would tell me he liked the fact that i was fighting back. i remember him saying something like, uh, you know, i have friends that go through what you re going through, and they re in a corner. they can t even move, and you re out there throwing punches. i think he liked that. i m so grateful to him. sometimes things happen in life where god intervenes in the most unbelievable ways. trump, blagojevich, fox news? i m not sure how much god played a role in any of this. when rod came home from prison after eight years, his daughters had grown up. how are your relationships with them? they re good. i m i m getting to know them. our family was broken for a long time. the difficulties that i talked about with my father-in-law, those were heartbreaking, because in spite of everything, i love him, and he s been good to me in so many ways. and, uh, you know, it s been a tough road for my wife. our lives could have been so much simpler, so much better. understandably, rod looks back on the time away from his family with regret, not for what he did, of course, but that he was sent to prison in the first place. but what else would you expect from rod? i am a political prisoner. i was put in prison for practicing politics. wait a minute. you re a political prisoner? nelson mandela was a political prisoner. political prisoners have no due process. i was thrown in prison and spent nearly eight years in prison for practicing politics, for seeking campaign contributions without a quid pro quo. you do have an obligation to at least admit what you did wrong, and you refuse to do that, and you re creating a whole new alternate universe of facts, and that may be big in politics today, but it s still, frankly, just bullshit. a reporter, uh, asked you if you wanted to say sorry to the people of illinois, and you said, sorry for what? -do you still feel that way? -very much so. i ve done a lot wrong. criminal? none. you and your defenders argue that the persecution, prosecution of you is about the criminalization of politics. in other words, there is horse-trading that goes on in politics. you do me this favor. i ll do you this favor, and that s all you were doing, and that it s legal, but they made it out to be illegal. well, first of all, it s not illegal. now you can argue whether we should improve our laws. that s a valid thing. i would think there s a lot of room to improve the fund-raising laws, but that s not illegal at all, and it s a common practice. now ultimately, after i ve been in prison for four years, the appellate court reverses that big lie of the sale of the senate seat, and they said it s routine political logrolling. and look, that s partially true. the court did vacate the conviction related to obama s senate seat, but they never said he did nothing wrong. the court said there was a jury instruction issue, and they upheld the remaining 13 counts. so contrary to his claim, he has not been exonerated. and for the love of elvis, we can only hope that rod s crimes are not routine. if there is a big lie, it s that he s a victim, especially since every other charge was upheld, including the extortion of a children s hospital. gandhi, he ain t. this isn t some sort of mystery, that, gosh, i didn t know. i had no idea. it s so gray. really? i think most of us have some gut sense of when we re beginning to get in trouble. i don t believe blagojevich has ever done any reflection on right and wrong. extorting a hospital never occurred to him that that might harm the citizens that he was elected to protect. he he has no ability to look at anything but himself. that s it. that s it. what s the worst thing that can be said about you that s accurate in your view, other than you were stupid to say that stuff? sure. look, i ve been accused of being a narcissist. i might plead to a misdemeanor on that, okay? um, i think i my judgment of some people was way off. i think i should have been a lot more vigilant and see some of the warning signs. i knew they were aggressively out there raising money, and i didn t slow it down because i wanted to raise the campaign money. i could have been more vigilant on that in retrospect. close, but no cigar. whether or not rod trusted the wrong people, he set them loose on illinois because they brought him the most money. whether the rules on political fund-raising are flimsy guardrails at best,
thanks for watching fox news saturday night with jimmy failla. set your dvr to 10:00 p.m. eastern every saturday on fox news and don t forget on social media and i everybody calm down to her, hey girl. parks across america.com and listen to my radio show weekdays noon to 3:00 p.m. good night from new york city. it can be they republican, you can be a democrat, just don t be a [bleep]. there is. joey jones and charlie hurt, welcome to the big weekend show . the big boy tonight, calm, circumstance and politics for president biden in paris, biden telling the world that climate change is the only existential crisis to humanity. then claims is the son of the american revolution. what has correspondent peter doocy with the president tonight in paris. where the sun is setting what president biden is trying to say, he thinks putin could move further into alluding to the fact that a different dictator did that here in france, not that long ago. i meant france for the leadership as well. over 107 billion dollars in ukraine since the war began because you know what happened. there is a greater that can t be battled with standing armies or drones. the president said during a brief statement, it s climate change directly work together for peace and stability like good security and counterterrorism. that threat of climate change growing later working together to accelerate to net zero. only existential threat to humanity including nuclear weapons is that we do nothing on climate change. i could go on. president biden and first lady attended equity stake dinner a palace denver nuggets. tomorrow morning they will light a refund world war i memorial before jetting off to delaware. with us. thanks guys, gorgeous. what you think, existential threat of climate change is the only word? if you go with the horror movie and make climate change the only existential threat, you need to. the problem is he s making his mixing it with others like vladimir putin and. nuclear war. maybe i misread this but the way i heard him and who knows what he s saying ever but i thought he said including nuclear weapons, climate change is still the only existential threat which raises the question like thank god this guy isn t in charge of protecting the united states from auto, nuclear war. it does seem to be the same he focuses on regularly climate change in general so he s fitting it into a broader message about democracy and ukraine and the things the man was a what is important to president joe biden, climate change, he thinks it s an exit central threats to democracy it s funny, he said we know what happens if putin succeeds and he didn t say this because of where he was in the 80th anniversary don t want to talk about the campaign but media has, we know what happens of donald trump wins the election. there is this constant comparison by many on the left that trump is just like putin, i ll go further, the clinton said it hitler and that is the scare tactic they are trying to say. he must vote blue because of the don t, you will see what happens. there will be no more democracy and three branches of governm government. president biden does seem to get out there and enjoy telling a good story once in a while and me but genealogist to work with this one. one thing that s been election to my family is my middle name. allegedly i ve been told i my grandfather not going to get, maybe someone could help me, i am a son of the american revolution because he came over with lafayette and never went home. stayed in the united states it makes me a son of the american revolution the middle of the story, the french pronunciations he worked in, i love it. what you think, are you a son of the american revolution? i am a son of a penal colony so my ancestors were indebted came in for hard labor. [laughter] he pronounced his own name two different ways that. i can t get over that, is it robin a, robinette he s inferring whoever that is, was french so he s been irish, he s been italian, he s been mexican and puerto rican, he s been some version of african-american and now french. he is the baskin-robbins of presidents, we love him. [laughter] this is not something we should even concern ourselves with. it s not what you hope they can, is just no concern, he s lied his way all the way to the top of our government we obviously as a voting demographic except these lies. we let someone you play dress and lie about important things like how his family was killed in a car wreck and let him lie about his son and everything. let him lie about being french, do you want to be french? i want to be french. fine, go ahead at least get the right country though. i was impressed he dropped the french pronunciation in french, that s a step in the right direction. i think it was coincidental. [laughter] he corrected himself a few moments later. he touched we touched on this a few moments ago, the subject of democracy must make sure you are worried about democracy, take a listen. they understood democracy as democracy. here we prove i guess of our democracy when democracy is at risk across the world in world war ii, we defend democracy. it s never guaranteed. talk about democracy. american democracy. american democracy democracy. democracy. political calling it a wake up call to americans but it seems fear mongering may not be working. this is in newport beach, california, hundreds of trump supporters lined the streets as a former president) fundraiser. this crowd, liberal californ california [chanting] two days ago in san francisco trump raised $12 million at the silicon valley fundraiser. my house was sold out and by the way, the protesters outside, those were broke trump demonstrators. the number of people who were protesting against trump, there s maybe a couple dozen versus hundreds who are broke trump so even on the streets, a tremendous enthusiasm gap and that s what s happening in the broke san francisco, what does that tell you throw the country? so much money in politics is mind blowing and this is postconviction. it is liberal campuses. 85% of san francisco voted for president biden in 2020. i thought the number would have been higher. if you are republican in san francisco or even california for the most part, you re in witness protection. now you have, for years later, broke trump rally outside and the man who endorsed donald trump, venture capitalist, a popular podcast, he represents ingenuity and what we are seeing from the biden tc, biden d.o.j. is trying to strangle american innovation and what we do with artificial intelligence and etc. they don t like that. the law like but now that they are hosting a dinner for the president, former president and having supporters outside, it is mind blowing. there s this headline, it may mark the end of an american era. this cnn, no time since june 6, 1944 has the unshakable u.s. leadership of the west and support for international values has been so in question, democracy facing stern tests generations from far right populism. i think if you believe in i don t know what that person means but internationalist world order but if you believe in america first like donald trump thus, you believe in a strong concerned about american interests first that includes having a strong hand abroad. what it does mean is launching in two unnecessary wars or allowing unnecessary wars to happen and what we have seen president biden is supposed to be the world s greatest expert on foreign policy, we seen two wars start in the world because of his inability to govern and in america first agenda so i think it s all politics and you re right, the idea that joe biden is talking about concern for democracy is the party in america, democrats are trying to jail their primary opponent, nuts. final thoughts as we are talking about joe biden s perception of this threat to democracy. i guess, want to impeach someone twice and now convicted or found them guilty in several criminal court, more popular than they ever are, he speaks to what people are thinking at home. after january 6, trump didn t really hand them talking people casually observe politics, turned off by january 6 and have trump handled it, i can say that objectively. i was turned off, i thought it was ugly. now you fast-forward and they have this football they can run with and they spike it on third down. they don t use it, to go into this law fair and economy and foreign policy and national security are greatly more important to people then the character, no matter how you slice it, the individual who runs those policies he may believe biden is a good person, he s ruining the country. he may believe donald trump is the person we saw in the apprentice for ten years that makes comments in mexico all my god but think about where you were five years ago and that is the conversation, just can t hold? a lot of people care about kitchen table issues, that is for sure. coming up on the big weekend show [chanting] a stunning side-by-side as israel rescues hostages held by hamas since the seventh, thousands of pro- hamas protesters causing chaos steps from the white house. plus, facebook post that could throw out trumps conviction. also ahead, finished fanatical strike extremist? absurd claim about people who like to work out. welcome back to the big weekend show . for hostages held by hamas since october 7 are not home with the families and israel after baroque rescue by the idea. hours after rescue, chaos outside the white house at the hands of protesters all while the president is in france. i want to echo president macron s comments walking the rescue of hostages returning to the families. won t stop working until all hostages from home cease-fire is reached. chief washington correspondent mike emanuel the anti- israel protest in d.c. he is would here with us tonig tonight. good evening, protesters calling on president biden and his administration to stop sending bombs and military aid to israel. we are told some of the protesters here today travel as much as 16 hours ciattarelli in our nation s capital. the folks here are furious the president said israeli military operation would be a redline yet israel ignored him so protesters were read to create a human redline around the white house. joe biden, you may speak in our name but not with our consent. we charge you with genocide. it was designed to make us become quiet. protesters vandalized the statue of andrew jackson handprints suggesting the biden administration has blood on its hands. they used books raping to call for the boycott of israeli products. this was the third major pro- palestinian protest in washington over the past eight months. secret service took extra precautions with crowds expect expected. we heard free palestine and biden, biden, he will see. palestine will be free referring to the president is genocide j joe. of course president biden is in here, he is in paris. still, protesters sending a message to the president and his administration. thank you, mike. important to say in comparison of this moment on the left, pro, s supporters surrounded completely surrounding the white house with a red banner that protesters declare is there redline. they do not want the u.s. to support israel. on the right, pure joy of rescued hostages and families reunited after more than eight months. those hostages affected from the music festival. it is boggling we are even having to discuss this because it s amazing to think of these for hostages among over a hundred ducted and 120 we think are either now in custody but still in custody if they are still alive. emerging from captivity on this glorious day only to find out in washington d.c. there are protests in favor of their captors. i can t even wrap my brain around it is so insane cynical remarkable date and to see home, it s wondrous. one of the most recognizable hostages taken they and swept away from the music festival on the back of a motorcycle and one of the most torturous parts is hamas is given little information about the people that continued to hold among them, americans including : where they released video in april, a young man, american in california kidnapped had his arm blown off. miraculously survived in a forced video so remember there are still right now 100 hostages held and among them, americans. many headlines note many casualties as a result of this effort and successful rescue, a brave rescue but they were not being held, they want nothing elderly men and women and they take miraculous bravery, it wouldn t be necessary. miraculous day but there are two sides. these are not combatants held, these are innocent people at a music festival. joey, your among the few people that can imagine what this is like but israel lost a commando, portmanteau for others live. hamas only gives up one of their lives in an effort to kill people but the guy dies a hero obviously. i will take that everyday, if i die and for innocent people come home, that s why signed up for. they work but about a leader, commander so the way israeli army operates, their leader closing from what i ve read, it s a cultural thing food of the labor of going in he would never know that from these lunatics spray painting andrew jackson statue at the park. read handprints and the numbers in the headline of the washington post from the ap come from the health ministry gaza and consider the numbers because they have access to the hospitals and marks. i ll put numbers on because these facts could help inform the public debate about what is going on as many the size isra israel. sixty children killed in gaza climbed sharply, 64% of casualties after in october after the invasion and killing and in april it went down to 38%. did you see the headline in washington post and i would like to think it s a turn but maybe not. you will never find a case where israel intentionally killed innocent people. to get a heads up and they weren t about to do this. the entire tactic is to kill an object innocent people, the story and if that doesn t tell the difference in your hopeless i guess. coming up, social media, facebook post that could get trumps conviction thrown out. that s next. i still love to surf, snowboard, and, of course, skate. so, i take qunol magnesium to support my muscle and bone health. qunol s extra strength, high absorption magnesium helps me get the full benefits of magnesium. qunol, the brand i trust. welcome back to the big weekend show . possible bombshell and follow trunk trial. the judge notified trump defense team about facebook post : one of the jurors discussed guilty verdict with the family before the jury set up. the post said my cousin is adjourned incest trump is getting convicted. thank you folks, for all your hard work. trump campaign official those books and digital it is investigating the matter. it s important to note it s not verified the person who posted this can do any of the jurors but the judge sent a letter not just trumps team but the assistant da and if the judge is a letter that this person is akin to a juror it looks the judge like he s not on top of it so where to be dealt with this? i think this might delay it might delay the sentencing because trumps team will say let s push for an investigation and the judge has to bring in jurors say this is anyone s cousin? i go back to the way it s handled by the judge and the legal person for donald trump said why did you let these men and women go home for memorial day instead of sequestering them? high-profile unprecedented case is what is going to want to talk about and they would have spoken about with friends and family so if it s true must judge merchan might have wanted to do it in the beginning. i m in line with that, it makes the judge look kind of b bad. take all the things we ve heard from jonathan turley and others on the network how this is how a normal case would go and look at objectively 130 million people in this country, billions on social media block don t know if this person is legitimate and sent a letter to both teams and it seems like he would investigate that before you notify. you would think. you have to assume the judge knows more than we do. the judge knows more than what he put in the letter again, we have no idea if there is in relation the end of the cousin really is on a jury but you have to assume he knows more of the other thing is, the problem is the judge denied everything they ve made and what i saw, i thought maybe this is the off ramp where guy gets to embarrassing him self and it s out of doing whatever crazy think he ll do that will haunt him the rest of his career because the trial has to go down as the worst thing in his career so i don t have any faith that he will recognize that. next step is sentencing and applying for an appeal and is pushed out that way, is this grounds for mistrial? do you want a mistrial, what do you want? if you watch it, we seen a number of legal and was talking about transfer appeal that could potentially happen here in the course had but when it comes to specific individual who may or may not be a cousin of roger and the precise timing of the post before the deliberations, he had a 25% chance of being right no matter what the individual posted. i can t believe there are hundreds of thousands being investigated. it s like somebody tried to stir something up, carlo how real that is, a lot of questions house taken. the judge mentioned is so it takes it up, it has to be taken seriously and republicans are concerned. it seems a lot to me. there will columnist and attack on getting jacked claiming right wing if you work out. that s next. make sure you re watching one nation that o clock eastern ti time. there s me and then there is dana white. exclusive sit down with one of the most successful people in the country, advice for you and magic of donald trump and ufc plus keepsake except welcome back to the big weekend show . they say working out builds muscle. you need to go? i wasn t expecting company. this doing my workout. two says back. you asked me to come by. one liberal columnist, working out will turn you into a right wing jerk. she writes, you caps on and more energetic and you think you are master of your own destiny high on self-righteousness and you situate others problems within your failure. this is true if you don t know them and it s just a bunch numbers. these people with ibs, imagine how much better it would be they took responsibility for their health the way you have. charlie, you work out a lot. [laughter] i do the same and have the same results to show for it. or lady, she s confused and obviously bad at the gym and were set friday. she talks how she thinks is conservative to be the master of your own destiny and the cannabis and climbed the whole thing for independence, taking control of your life because you get to choose your own destiny. how is that a bad thing? i didn t disagree with the word of that. [laughter] i m sorry if i hurt your feelings. it might be the answer for a lot of people. where is the problem here? i didn t understand. she also says in the article, fitness has a capitalist logic because there s so much money in it so nothing is ever enough it as soon as you can run a 5k, you want to run ten was competing and striving for growth even of micro human strength. you have internalized market unfortunately. you re getting on everyone s nerves, does it change your mind? the whole premises if you work out, his ethical and legal and now set another one. stop the press, could you believe somebody would live their life that way? what are we supposed to do? they re supposed to wallow in our city believe the truth is we can t survive without the government, we can t take control of ourselves and lives in destiny, supposed to taken everything offered for all the symptoms we have, not change our diet or physical health, but big pharma from that. we are supposed to buy in to the system that makes us invalid every way possible because that s what makes naturally week or choosing to be weak people about i m sorry but i don t do it. i ve had my legs blown off in afghanistan and will be in the gym everyday and it makes me a jerk [laughter] right wing joke. [laughter] why bring politics into this? she s pretty for herself. i want to yield my time, i don t have enough to say but i googled about this to see if it was something emphasis fyi story five years ago, more likely to be right wing. a cousin to the studies so it s not the most original article of work. if you are republican, prettier, more attractive than the democrat a lot of people would defend that and say us because we republicans have more money, they can spend more on what they look like. to cinderblocks workout with. by choice. he lives an alternative lifestyle and is in good shape. one last thing on wheel of fortune so where do game shows go from here? we have that next. (birds chirping) well this isn t gonna work. try this. (celebratory choir sings) this. will work. scooore! pick up score! at walmart. a slow network is no network for business. that s why more choose comcast business. and now, we re introducing ultimate speed for business our fastest plans yet. we re up to 12 times faster than verizon, at&t, and t-mobile. and existing customers could even get up to triple the speeds. at no additional cost. it s ultimate speed for ultimate business. don t miss out on our fastest speed plans yet! switch to comcast business and get started for $49.99 a month. plus, ask how to get up to an $800 prepaid card. call today! welcome back to the big weekend show , the end of an era. sajak officially retired as the host of wheel of fortune, christina coleman more on his office from los angeles. millions of loyal viewers thank during his farewell speech something. big time has come to say goodbye and i ve always felt privileged came with responsibility to keep his daily our is a place for family. no social issues, no politics, nothing embarrassing. gradually became one of place where kids learn about us and people from other countries home and wish skills and famous concussion) neighbors and entire generations. what an honor to have played even a small part of the mexico city look or should 41 years and post a thousand episodes. every time he went to the show, he met three people from all parts of the wonderful country is that they were kind and considerate to write and talking of the family, friends and hometown. during his goodbye speech he expressed how great it was to work with dana white who cohosted the show with him 1982. i will miss our nightly closes and laughter and good nature. a very special one and i know you are all pleased to know joe be back next season ryan seacrest will post wheel of fortune from now on as for pat, he has his next gig lined up and will start a plane is in downtown duluth. he looks amazing. congrats to pat sajak and he had a nice thing to say, no politics, it s about the letters and something you can watch at the family cement pat sajak is a staple in my life, my grandmother watched the show and my mom watched the show and now about to turn 38, i ve never watched more in my life and i do now but my daughter, she s not about to going to kindergarten and in the letter show right now it s recognizing letters so it is a great thing to do with her and she loves it. got one right, he s a native veteran and a lot of people know that in my past life i would take groups of limited veterans show them around and go on site with different shows and end with the motorcycle ride so one trip i took on wheel of fortune last and they were in the middle of taping and we went in to look from the side and they stopped the taping thank you ñ-letter letters behind the. afterwards i found out they do that every time and every time, a group of veterans coming in the culture of the show, i wish him well but i will miss it a wonderful source look tough to follow macbeth is beautifully set beautifully set. the idea when you look around people s longevity and jobs, it s like eight years now and not only for a guy to do this for 41 years but do it with his partner 41 years is extraordinary. they had amazing chemistry, they really did. i said i wonder if they have an affair it was like no, never say that tv royalty it was the chemistry, relationship like brother and sister and they said an interview i did, they had one fight in 41 years. [laughter] was about whether a hotdog should catch up. she likes ketchup and mustard. speaking of, we have a clip from the 80s show hosted by chuck on fox nation. take a look. we love each other but very competitive. but no matter what happens, we will still love each other. [laughter] i wouldn t touch that with the forklift so here we go. deceptively simple around. i feel like you re not paying attention and it probably doesn t matter. [laughter] some punks sexy ladies. [laughter] doesn t stand a chance but you can see on fox nation it looks amazing. i m not into game shows, i am not a big wheel of fortune guy but i definitely will watch that for sure. shannon bream listen i love chuck, one of the og s just like the police exciting about the clip you shared that. the people in it it looks awesome. it is magnificent and is probably a suit of his. i am jealous i lived in the 80s decade but old enough to like that. the make up the apartment had a blast, for sure. they need to get me on. [laughter] fox nation s most of check in case much and now available on fox nation and stick around. big weekend flops are next. okay back to the big, it is the time for a big weekend flops these are big for what we think the biggest feels the week and i m going to go first, yes this one is pretty tough, hardly democratic town council, in wethersfield connecticut refused a thin blue line like to honor fallen to relate kind of duty. it is now been used by poison from certain other far right types of fruits and even many police department thoroughly country has indicated that i think it s a authorize or use that like to employment out of the city councilmember literally, that would was wondering do damage control for female number of female and don t remember her name is that some pretty important things and really, within blue line flight to racism and hatred in all be think about i guess what bothers me think of pride flag they flew to half mast of the american flag this one of the things were this bike has been around for hundred years enemies were going to memorialize those give their lives serving their community and if trying to hijack that, pushback and keep ownership of it and then to be it means from adobe so week pretty. it seems pretty simple okay major bill of the major discovery of essential for thousands of tons of lithium to be extracted annually from wastewater generated by tracking has been discovered a bit dirt dream difficult to refusing covenant have into the source it is further evidence, that that the whole environmentalism, green new deal, fa is a given to give more power to government and they do not actually want to solve anything because they cannot have a utopia without lithium and batteries. it is better for to get from china. [laughter] i guess right. porch pirates a doorbell camera captured footage of a thief fake amazon best posted as a delivery driver hazel packages from a home in massachusetts and so he walks up and he was dressed as a delivery driver within of the box and put them to box down on the porch and then stole the real box and porch piracy $8 billion a year theft in. there s one video pretty polls the box it blows up on him and i think everybody needs to be able to do that. go out. with dog manure. the latest bizarre food trended making the rounds of social media kcal bars smothering catch up yes and the skills here you go. and this is for you. no no no. this is a break me off moment, these are made it to be shared. that s not possible, that is not possible. the vertex, the vertex, charlie. no no no. i think the thing to do is you look awfully cancer first and then you eat the chocolate. this is an improvement on catch up. and the dozen for us and we will see you tomorrow the big we can show starts right now.
business or my life, i have the fish tank was a blow it up. so whatever s next, we re cooking with phi. that s checkout for imprint.com. in brynn, certain. i m someone s are 40 in washington. and this is cnn error win right? rescue, joyful reunions it s rarely forces free. four hostages from hamas captivity as gaza hospitals reported scores were killed during the mission. what more do we know? white house national security adviser jake sullivan is next and turnout talk both parties focus on a key voting block suburban women, we were able to work on real solutions. are we going to empower americans to make their own health care decisions? shuns, is it enough to win in the fall due governors, republican kristi noem and democrat gretchen whitmer join me exclusively, plus american way donald trump calls for revenge as he awaits his felony sentencing. and now, vice president kamala harris says his response. it does qualifying cheaters don t like it. what do voters thing or political panel ways in hello i m dana. bash in washington where the state of our union is looking overseas after eight long months for israel israeli hostages are back home safely. family reunions and tears of joy after they were rescued from hamas captivity by idf forces in a special operations saturday morning, the rate of two separate apartments and a central gaza refugee camp took months of preparation and military spokesman said, since hamas moves, hostages frequently and embeds them in areas packed with civilians like this refugee camp. following reports of heavy shelling and artillery fire, gaza hospital said more than 200 people were killed in the operation. cnn has not been able to verify claims about the exact number of civilian deaths in what was the first successful hostage rescue since february here with me now from paris where he is traveling with president biden is national security adviser, jake sullivan. thank you so much for being with me. let s start of course, with the news about the rescue of four israeli hostages inside gaza. how specifically did the us assist in the mission well, dana, the united states has been providing support to israel for several months in its efforts to help identify the locations of hostages in gaza and to support efforts to try to secure their rescue or recovery. i m not going to get into the specific operational or intelligence related matters associated. and with that, because we need to protect those, i can only just say that we have generally provided support to the idf so that we can try to get all of the hostages home, including the american hostages who are still being held so i understand that intelligence u.s. intelligence assisted but what you say anything about u.s. personnel, us weapons? well, the one thing i can say is that there were no us forces, no, no us boots on the ground involved in this operation. we did not participate militarily in this operation jake a mosque claims that other hostages that they are holding inside gaza were killed as a result of the idf s mission, is that true? we have not seen that verified or were confirmed. i believe that the israelis have said they do not have any information to that effect. but of course, that is always a risk with all of these military operations, hostages have been killed over the last eight months. and so dana the best way to get all of the hostages home and to protect palestinian civilians is to end this war. and the best way to end in this war is for hamas to say yes to the deal president biden announced and that israel has accepted, which lays out a roadmap to an enduring ceasefire in the return of all hostages because that s what we re driving for, and that s what we re asking the world to call upon hamas to accept are you concerned at all given what you just said that the ball is in hamas s court right now that the rescue that happened on saturday we ll make it so that hamas might walk away from the negotiating table its a legitimate question. i it s hard for me to put myself in the mindset of a hamas terrorists. we don t know exactly what it is that they re going to do. but the basic bottom line here is straightforward to bring it into this war, to get the hostages tom, to get the full scope of humanitarian aid to the palestinian people in a safe and effective way, we need the steel and all of the people all over the world and the united states. and in countries everywhere who have been calling for a ceasefire, they need to train their attention on hamas and put the pressure on because this is the way to resolve this issue. and whatever the calculus is of hamas coming out of this weekend, the reality remains the same. this is the only credible path forward and hamas i should say, yes any word either from hamas or through hamas is intermediaries about their stance vis-a-vis the ceasefire deal that the president endorsed. a little bit more than a week ago. since what happened yesterday well, we ve heard a lot publicly from hamas over the last week. we ve not seen any official statements since what happened with the hostage rescue operation. and the two key error of mediators who are standing alongside the united states in this process, qatar and egypt have not yet received any official word from hamas representatives as to their stance on the deal so we are waiting that word and it should come today. it should come this, our hamas should say yet which would immediately put in place a ceasefire and immediately begin the process of bringing hostages home. this is the answer that the world is looking for. it s time to act jake, i want to ask you a little bit more about that mission. and one of the questions is what we re hearing from gaza different hospitals in gaza say at least 236 people were killed as a part of the israeli operation to rescue hostages what is your understanding of how many palestinian civilians not militants, but civilians were killed in that rescue mission we ve united states are not in a position today to make a definitive statement about that, the israeli defense forces have put out one number for the hamas-run gaza health ministry has pulled out another number, but we do know this dana innocent people were tragically killed in this operation. the exact number we don t know, but innocent people were killed and that is heartbreaking. that is tragic. the president himself has said in recent days that the palestinian people are going through sheer hell in this conflict, because hamas is operating in a way that puts them in the cross-fire that holds hostages right in the heart of crowded civilian areas that puts military and placement that s right in the heart of crowded civilian areas. but every day that we see more innocent people lost is another horrible, awful tragic de and our hearts in the united states and across the world, break for that, but there is only one answer to stop that from happening going forward that is a he s fire and hostage deal that ends the military operations brings the hostages home and puts us in a position to give the palestinians and opportunity for for a better future for their people and last just about the mission we re you don t want to specifically say how the u.s. was it s involved, which i understand. but just broadly, big picture no one can deny the amazing news of seeing these innocent civilians who were finally brought back to their families from gaza after being held there for eight months. but is the us comfortable with the way that the israelis carried out the mission? looked in a why is president biden going out publicly and calling for a ceasefire and hostage deal? it s because he thinks the best sway to get all of the hostages home is in a deal where they re brought out diplomatically, where there s no need for military operations to get every last hostage out. so that would obviously be the best solution to this in the absence of that without hamas saying yes to the deal, unfortunately, we are going to continue to see ongoing conflict and military operations in which israel makes efforts to recover its citizens. and frankly to recover american citizens. what we would much prefer to see is a ceasefire where the hostages come out peacefully. that is available. israel has said yes to it. now hamas needs to say yes to it. that s where president biden s full effort, energy and attention is. and you heard yesterday from the french president here in paris that france stands behind that the world stands behind that, and hamas should come to the table and say, yeah you mentioned that you are in paris. i have to before i let you go ask about the trip that you and of course the president is making to europe, marking the 80th, then first ray of d-day. you are soon going to be part of the g7 in italy. and the president gave a very big speech on democracy as he s trying to frame the 2024 president presidential election here against donald trump as a discussion about the fate of bankruptcy, do you think democracy is in jeopardy? the president said in his speech that democracy, democracy is at risk all over the world from without and from within. to a greater extent now than it has been in a very long time. and what president biden was arguing is that those brave men who stormed the beaches at normandy who scaled the cliffs at pointe to hakh, who liberated europe and literally saved the world. they are calling us to step up to do our job in our time, which is two ben democracy, to stand with allies, to refuse to bow down to dictators to push back against aggression that s what president biden is seeking to do. adapt that s the message that he gave here today. and it s something he will carry forward as long as he is president. he said around the world, is democracy at risk? in the united states as part of this election what we do hear voices calling playing into question the basic democratic values and democratic institutions that have made our country great for 250 years. and those voices have gotten louder in recent years. and that is a source of deep concern. but it s also a source of huge motivation, not just for the president, but for a lot of people who want to stand up to reinforce the things that have made this country great. and we ve had no better reminder. dana, than getting to see some of those still living veterans of world war ii who came not to make any political statement in normandy, but rather simply bleed to reinforce the timeless values that have made america, america, and it s something we should all remember as we go forward. yeah, those were remarkable images. and reminders no question about that, jake. thank you so much for being here. i appreciate jaden thanks for having me both the trump and biden campaign s are trying to turn a key voting blocs suburban women republican governor kristi noem and democratic governor regine witmer are coming up this election season. staley with cnn, with more reporters on the 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of from the former president since he was found guilty in his new york hush money trial. that is repeatedly suggesting that he would prosecute his political opponents if he is elected with part of what he said it s a terrible precedent for our country. does that mean the next president does it to them? that s really the question. and it s very possible that it s going to have to happen to them based on what they ve done. i would have every right to go after them. revenge, just take time we will say that he does. and sometimes revenge can be justified governor, is that the message you think donald trump should be focusing on in this campaign right now? well, his message has clearly been that his only vengeance will be america s success. he is not interested in going after political opponents. he is interested in going back to the white house and working for the american people and their families, bringing down inflation costs and that s what i m hearing overwhelmingly here in wisconsin. is that this swing state is so important and these people here, they re number one issue right now, is not that sham trial and not the verdict and the convictions and not what s going on as far as what a lot of people are talking about in the media, they care about what s happening to their families, how much grocery prices this is have gone up, how much better their lives were four years ago. so that that s, that s really their number one concern yeah. i mean, it seems clear what you re hearing from voters that that is what their concern is. but it is what we heard from donald trump this week over and over and interview after interview, that he is considering going for his political opponents. so should he stopped doing that, given what you just said, you re hearing from voters what he said is that he s warned the american people if we start weaponizing the judicial system like they did against him, that it could happen to any president. it could happen to any political opponent. what he s talking about when he s having in those discussions, is that be careful what you do because that opens the door in the future to anybody doing it. and that s what he s trying to shut down. he wants people to trust or judicial system. he wants to make sure that we still have law and order in this country. if you look at conservative areas of this country, places where republicans were in control, we have law and order we have peace stability. you go to democrat states and cities that s where you see destruction and you see judicial systems and trials and corrupt judges that prosecute their political enemies. that s what new york was. new york, that was definitely a rigged elections are rigged judicial process against the president. politically motivated well, he was found guilty based on a jury, 12 members of the 12 piers, 12 piers of his. the other thing i just want to mention and i do want to move on is that right now? the justice department is prosecuting the president s son. president biden, son is prosecuting a house democrat is prosecuting a senate democrat so doesn t that fly in the face of the claim that the whole judicial system has weaponized against republicans i don t think anybody believes the whole, the whole judicial system is. i think they see places in this country where it is. and a new york was certainly one of those. and i don t know dana, if you read that letter from the judge in the new york city trial that came out that talked about the fact that some of these social media posts that came out before the decision in the verdicts even came out from that jury. so there may be a mistrial coming here because it was handled so poorly by this judge, and that s what i think that will be eye-opening to the american people as they really, truly will have proof then that that judge was corrupted. now, he should have recused himself according to the ethics and rules of new york. he should never have presided over that whole process. and president trump should have never been in that section. i just want to say that those details have not been confirmed. obviously, the trial is over. so i think you re probably referring to an appeal. i want to move on to some of the politics that we re seeing in the 2024 race specifically donald trump is actively starting to look for running mate cnn is told that there are seven potential trump vp contenders receiving vetting materials so far you re not on that list. do you have any indication that you re still under consideration to be donald trump s running mate i ve told president trump over and over again, he needs to pick whoever helps him when i have been loyal to him since the very beginning when he first started to run in 2016. he s told me his priority is picking a running mate that can govern on day one. it has been the loyalty him that can has experienced and run businesses, knows how to be a ceo, but also supports him and his policies. i don t care. i love my job in south dakota. i care about the fact that i want him to win and he knows that i will do that. so i talked to him three times yesterday. i think he s doing great and fantastic. i m proud of him i ve never seen anybody get out a bed and work as hard as this guy does just because he loves america and he s got some, a lot of corrupt criminals and a lot of political enemies coming after him and he still gets up, fights for the average everyday american that makes me proud of him on that list that i just showed so there were six men and one woman women, particularly suburban women. i don t need to tell you, could play a big role in who gets elected in november should there be a woman on the ticket a and b, you said you just need to pick somebody who will help him win would do help him win we ll all the all the pools such tell him in the swing states that a woman on the ticket, it helps him when the polls just say that people, one in four republican women haven t made up their minds because they want to have a woman talking to them about the issues they care about and women aren t monolithic. they don t, they don t care about just one issue. they care about health care, they care about their children, they care about their futures, they care about having an opportunity to have a business and to have a career. and all of that is being threatened. vendor joe biden but but yes, the women vote is extremely important and i spent the majority of my time here in wisconsin talking to women and talking to those people that are independent and on the fringe and they re leaning towards donald trump. but they also want to know that their perspective is gonna be at the table when decisions you should pick a woman. they want to know that there s going to be people involved i think that that would be a beneficial is according to the polling that i ve seen for him in a lot of swing states is that having a woman that is helping him campaign makes a difference. so it s an i could be home and bed or feeding my horses right now. are racking my grand babies, but i m in wisconsin because i believe president trump needs to win his policies are right for america and they re perfect for south dakota. and i want him to win and the polling tells me that he needs women out on the campaign trail curing his message about how much he cares it s about them and their future. two, let me ask you about a topic that is important to women will actually important to a lot of people. and that is contraception senate republicans is we ve blocked and bill to protect access to contraception nationwide. as a matter of principle, do you think republican should support company? fleet access to birth control yes, i do. i think that bill was a joke that bill was far-reaching in everything that was included and it wasn t just a single issue bill, which in my book i talk about the fact that single issue bills actually would fix a lot of what s broken in this country. but absolutely contrast section is something that should be available to women. why can t we just start talking about the fact that a lot of women, when they re in their situations, they re in a crisis situation. why don t we support them and give them information? and help them? so i think that whatever we re talking about when it comes to women s health care, that that s something that we as everybody in this america in this america public needs to realize is that these are difficult situations and we need to love people and win their hearts and minds as well as talk about policy. you mentioned your book. so i m going to ask you about that because in that book no, going back, you came under pretty intense criticism even from some members of your own party because you shared a story about shooting and killing your 14 year 14 month old dog, cricket. now that you ve had time to process all of that and all candor, do you have regrets you know that story s a 20-year-old story of a mom who made a very difficult decision to protect her children from a vicious animal that was attacking livestock and killing livestock and attacking people. so it s in the book because it was difficult for me and there s a lot in that book that i think people will need to read. i don t know if you ve read it or not. i read the whole thing, but it wouldn t be in the book if it wasn t a very hard situate. all good. well, i m glad you did. thank you for doing that, but but there s a lot in that book that s very important and i hope people read it because it s a how to guide for the average citizen on how to get their government back. yeah, why i believe that we need to have president trump back in the white house. yeah, i did the whole thing. and so i have the entire context of that incident. good. and so what i m hearing is no regrets, not just about writing about it, but we ve actually shooting the dog we ve covered this and i m a mom and protected my children from a vicious animal. we just had a nine-year-old boy and south dakota killed just days ago from a dog. that happens and i ve that nine-year-old boy will never be in his parents lives again. i ll never been his family s lives again. i think it s people are put in tough situations in life and we learned from it. and we learn a lot for what did you learn. and that s what i ve talked a lot in that book, dana, i ve learned that challenging times and hard decisions are hard. and that when you get into public office, you d learn from every single one of them and you use that knowledge to go forward into and to make wise decisions that are best for america. that s why joe biden s such a train wreck. the guys 80-years-old and making the worst decisions i ve ever seen him making his entire life and destroying or country, not just on the foreign policy stage by what he s doing in the middle east. and, but also what he s doing on our economy and he s putting every other country in our enemies in front of america. and i think that s just horrible right now. you realize dana that what he did last week is that when the trump verdict came out in his trial, he actually joe biden held a press conference announcing a deal between israel and a terrorist organization that was not agreed to. and he did it during shabbat i mean, how disrespectful to the jewish people. well, to hold a press conference that they can t even respond to if for regulation just residents. i just believed that we ve got people that we ve got people that really we need to recognize how week this president is. and you were talking about hostages earlier in your show as jimmy carter, who i ran held hostages for a 444 days under jimmy carter. carter because he was week back in 1979 and 1980. and the day ronald reagan was inaugurated, they were released because they recognize their ronald reagan would be a strong president we ve got the exact same situation here in america. why are we not? they re getting are americans home why are we not telling hamas, give us are americans back? why, why are we not doing russia to give us our journalists bad? yeah, i think one thing that this president should be doing is protecting americans. yeah, go get our americans and bring them home. that s what, that s what i m upset about. yeah. i think there s there s a lot there maybe you can come back and we can route a time. we can talk more about it, but yeah, obviously, president biden is very aggressively tried to get the americans back. it s a very complicated situation. thank you so much. appreciate it. i pray for their families. they come home alive thank you all do up next democratic governor gretchen whitmer of a state that could decide the next president. that of course, is the great state of michigan. you see her there governor whitmer will be her live next you increase in while i m fires is exponential unpredictable, uncontrollable with overwhelming consequences. the need to do something is urgent we have schreiber tonight did nine on cnn find the perfect fathers de gift symbol, just 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about contraception. she says republicans are not trying to take away access to birth control. democrats are making this political, what s your response? i think that we all know the truth here. there s no question that with the three appointments that donald trump put onto our united states supreme court, three people who lied to congress, betrayed their oath of office and put forward? the dobbs decision. we know that there are women in many states who cannot access fundamental health care cannot make their own decisions about whether and when to bear a child. we know that mifepristone is under attack, that ivf surrogacy and now contraception is as well. and when the usf and it puts forth policy to ensure that they have an opportunity to enshrine access to contraception. and republicans vote against it and kill that bill. it is very much at risk here in this moment. and i think that what we re seeing out of the republicans saying that they protect, want to protect this as disingenuous at best and an outright lie at worst i want to talk a little bit about what we heard from the vice president kamala harris, who was speaking in your state last night? in detroit, and she said, quote, donald trump thinks he is above the law and this should be disqualifying for anyone who wants to be president of the united states what do you think well, you know what? i think that the fact of the matter is, we know under this democracy, no one is above the law. everyone is held into account. we have a system of jurisprudence that we have to have confidence. and then when you take that oath of office, we expect our leaders to live up to up to that oath. then this former president is now a convicted felon. he is the standard bearer unfortunately for the republican party in this moment this is a high-stakes election where you ve got someone who flouts the law and cheats and just got caught and someone who has four over the course of his lifetime made serving the public. the only thing that he is focused on, he has delivered for the american people and we ve got a stark decision in front of us and i really think that people need to take this moment very seriously and get out and vote because this is high stakes i want to turn to a different, very different trial, and that is one that is going on in delaware with the president s son, hunter biden he is on trial for obtaining and possession of firearm while under the influence of illegal drugs, which was against the law. a republican, lindsey graham, says that an average american would not have been prosecuted either. yes, governor can hear me okay. it sounds like the governor can t hear me. you know what we re going to take a very quick commercial break? and, get this fix. and we ll be right back. don t go anywhere the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn t be higher the president and the former president s one stage moderated by jake tapper and dana bash, the cnn presidential debate thursday, 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donald trump openly tried to overturn the last election and now he openly attack the foundations of our justice system cheaters don t like getting caught vice president kamala harris in detroit yesterday, my panel is here, nice to see you all. so you have her clearly leaning into using the verdict as a political weapon and then you have donald trump leaning into the verdicts and using them as a political weapon, obviously in a very different way for retribution. bryan lanza, i m going to start with you since you re the only one at this table who has worked for donald trump? i know it s probably hard to stop him from doing that, which should he yells. i think the presence is going to do what he wants to do at the end of the de and i think the thing is is the focus for him and the rest of the campaign is going to be focusing on the economy and focus on the issues that matter. when i see an ad, like when i see her comma comma comma talking about, i almost want her talking more because the public has such an adverse reaction to the things she says. now, talking about genes, the only one feeling cheated here is probably the american public. they were promised something three-and-a-half years ago, a strong economy, a safe world if two wars overseas, we have a third one about to start between the philippines and china, which the us has military agreements with. and we have inflation wiping out the middle-class, wiping out savings, wiping up people s credits i think the public feel cheated. so you have to be careful with the word she uses. congressman khanna. well, the president is that a very strong record of bringing manufacturing back, of record job creation, lowest unemployment, but here is the contrast. the president is out there on d-day trying to bring this country together, speaking about our aspiration invoking president reagan saying we have a unifying message and donald trump is on dr. phil talking about retribution. i think that s gonna be the real case of what type of country are we, are we a country that s going to come together with the president s message. are we going to want to tear each other apart? doesn t sound very unifying to me. i mean, kamala harris on the attack this week and candidly, joe biden attacking, i think i ll trump during his overseas speech. normally we re worried about people attacking presidents when they re overseas. we don t normally have to worry about presidents attacking their opponents when they are overseas. i think it underscores the horrible week, the biden people had. wall street journal says he s slipping behind the scenes in a deeply source story, politico says, blows up the popular narrative that the biden joe biden has nothing to do with his family s business dealings. new york times today s out with a piece debunking all the personal narrative myths of joe biden. there s chaos all around the biden campaign, right now. and to top it all off, somehow virginia is now a swing state so i m not surprised see kamala harris desperately on the attack because the campaign is totally flailing right now love listening to you talking about chaos because i remembered donald trump in 2016, warning us that if hillary clinton were president, it would be chaos all the time and guess what? we had four years of chaos with donald trump, but dan out, let s talk, but it s really going on here internally. i m assuming the trump campaign is same one. i m seeing which is this talking about the conviction of donald trump on 34 felony counts is working. we have a cbs poll out just this morning. we have other polls coming out that are showing joe biden starting to come move ahead. and here s the problem for the trump campaign these things matter when they underscore something that people already sent and believe about someone they already sent and believe donald trump lied to them. he had lied to them when he said he didn t sleep with stormy daniels, he lied to them when he said he was going to make all these things better and guess what? his tax cuts help the very wealthy. they harmed the middle-class. and in fact, new york times, i m so glad mentioned new york times has a story out this morning about how so many of the promises that trump is making when he talks about mass deportations, guess what? that s going to increase our costs when he talks about this trade policy, trade tariffs, guess what? that s going to increase our costs, and that s consistent with our oil. hold on. that s consistent with our own reporting. that showed that ryan lins are just sorry, that showed the cost will go up about $1,700 for middle-class americans and all donald trump can do is talk retribution while his people du, the best they can with talking. and i just sort of frame this conversation in an tick of a different way. and that is how this race could change a bet, not a lot, but a bit he hasn t picked his running mate yet, and you just heard kristi noem saying pretty much point blank. he should pick a woman she would like for it to be her. i don t know if it s going to be her. we got the list of the people who have gotten there vetting materials. there s only one woman on that list and that is elise stefanik of new york the woman who pretty much hands down could help him win more than any horse is nikki haley? i don t know if it helped with me. i mean, it s it s listen i want us to you re already getting vote for him. i m a reporters when republican, but i think nikki haley would cause problems for me because he would say the future of the party is not in good hands. and i think that s what people are looking for for the president when he chooses the vp, somebody who continues along with the policies and the priorities are important to him, and nikki haley, just as matches up. so i think that s the challenge are going to have and she hasn t shown a propensity, even moved towards the issues that trump voters care about and what the voters are going to care about in this party. going to care about are more of these? things that president trump s talking about. they re talking about tariffs. we ve me scott s and shock here. i m shocking. we re now the party of tariffs and our party wants more of it. like i ve never predicted that our party is moving and that the reality is as nikki haley is not moving with the party i think the issue is abortion rights and that s why democrats have over-performed. when i was in wisconsin across the state. i mean, there s still an arcane law there that bans abortion when people were talking about is the right to access to reproductive health, the right to access to contraception and the fact that there s only one woman candidate on the running mate for donald trump shows that there s still out-of-touch and that s why women are going to win this election for president biden, i think that s what he s numbers are moving in the cbs poll and that s why i m optimistic that he s going to get reelected i actually heard brian, i think you need a running mate. first of all, the number one thing is do no harm and being a second is you have to have someone who is going to unabashedly support your agenda, like you cannot have somebody out there who is pulling their punches on a daily basis. and so the list that he has outright now are a group of people that have shown time and again, they are willing to step up and defend him and fight for his agenda nikki haley has a lot of positions that i agree with, but but she has a big problem with donald trump. she said at time and again, i m not sure that makes the best running. it s clear donald trump is continues to have trouble with women voters and consolidating suburban women. kamala harris, vegas and an excellent job. prosecuting the case for joe biden. i think they should consider if i don t want to give trump advice, but he might want to consider a woman, although i think the challenge for many women would be how do i defend some of them massage any of this man credibly, 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right now, we know that in this country, there is a stark choice in front of us between a president who respects the rule of law and a former president who is a convicted felon who wants to use the implements of government to go after his enemies and is running on vengeance and grievance as his platform versus the sitting president who has delivered forward this country and respects the judiciary and wants to shore up this democracy. it s a lot at stake should the president lean lean-in more on the kind of message you just delivered you know what i think it s important for us to be talking about these things the american people are busy, they re good, hardworking people who expect their government to work as hard as they do and to be as good if not better than they are, to respect the oath of office, to respect our institutions, to fight for every american s right to make their own decisions about their bodies, to have a voice and a vote in this democracy. and i think all of those things are very much at stake here. so i m going to be talking about that. i m going to be reminding people and i m confident that the average person in this country was just trying to get ahead is ultimately going to be a part of the direction of this election and is going to weigh in and vote for joe biden. governor. i don t need to tell you how important your state of michigan is going to be when it comes to who is going to be the next president in your state, there is a third third-party candidate and his name is robert kennedy jr. he is going to be on the ballot there. he are 9% support in one recent michigan pole that s more than enough to tip the scales in what is sure to be a close election. how worried are you about having rfk jr. on the ballot and what it means for president biden s chances of winning there well this is michigan. dana has, you know, elections are always close here. i remind people all the time, don t clutch your pearls when we re down a couple of points, do not celebrate when we re up a couple of points. this is going to be a close election all the way through. but here s what i know. when you get on the ground and you show up and you talk to people well, and you listen helps make sure that you stay focused on the things that matter. president biden has huge list of accomplishments were seeing on shoring of supply chains. we re seeing the growth of good manufacturing jobs. this is the first president in a long time that has been able to deliver on emphasis structure and has a real manufacturing vision that is, that is playing out every day and good paying jobs. certainly, kennedy or any third party candidate gives me some concern and it s to be taken seriously and that s why we re showing up and we re working hard and all 83 counties earn the votes of the people. there are a lot of good traditional republicans who don t feel at home with the convicted felon at the top of the ballot, who know that kennedy has got lots of far out wild ideas about science and the future. and it doesn t even have the support of his own family. all that being said, we can t make any assumptions. we got to earn every single boat and that s what we re doing. okay. governor gretchen whitmer, thank you so much for being here this morning. i really appreciate it. thanks, dana. happy pride, everyone great jacket and thank you so much for spending your sunday morning with us. fareed zakaria picks it up next were you worried the wedding would be too much another destination? why didn t we just scott by for persisters it nap book, it s married in epoch, my daughter who gets with him can we get out of here? you d never asked join 18 million americans and take control of your financial future with a real-time dashboard. born in real life conversations, empower what s next. if you spit blood when you brush, it could be the start of a domino effect new periodontics act of gum repair, breath freshener clinically proven to help reverse the four signs of 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and the pros so far, she s put up 30 points on a couple of occasions. she s also had games where she s been held the single-digits, she struggled a turnovers. she struggled with the leeks physicality, and every player on team usa does have senior level international experience. eight have played in the olympics still, only 22. clark has created an absolute frenzy of interest in women s basketball, which has already led to this tangible boost in the wnba s developed litman. her entry to the pros has come with an extremely divisive undercurrent. and this is just the latest thing that she s going to have to navigate now, as everybody figures out what the official roster will look like. yeah. i m sure we ll continue here about that and that controversy carolyn manner. good to have you. thanks so much. and thank you for spending a part of your morning with us inside politics sunday with manu raju was nice. we ll see you back here next weekend. have a good day. taking this stain. israel makes a movie in gaza. president biden tries to outshine donald trump overseas, are refused to believe that america s greatness is a thing of the past while at home the vice president calls trump s conviction disqualified. cheaters don t like getting caught and exclusive details on a new plan to further overhaul immigration. well, progressives concerns plus retribution. i would have every right to go after them new reporting publicly because promise payback. thanks. have consequences. they going to have consequences as i should. and perseverance a rising democratic star confronts a debilitating terminal diagnosis when it comes to eunice progressive is not a good thing to be. our exclusive sit-down ahead inside politics that s reporting from inside the corridors of power starts now morning. welcome inside politics it s sunday, um, when roger president biden woke up in france this morning after he spent the last several days warning about the risks to democracy and marking the 80th anniversary of d-day. yet as he tries to ensure american allies, but the us commitment to the world order, biden has not mentioned donald trump, munch by name, not once during his pair of major speeches but the contrast he s trying to draw is clear as he seeks to reframe the race and take on his major vulnerabilities. knew this morning on that front, cnn has breaking news and how the president is trying to address one big weakness with a major policy more on that in just a moment. but first he and his team are dealing with the aftermath of that israeli operation in gaza that rescued four hostages. gazan officials say at least 274 palestinians were killed. cnn senior, senior white house correspondent kayla tausche is lie from paris. so kayla, how s the presidency addressing the fall of this recipe? q operation manu, the white house says, it s supports all efforts to secure the release of hostages still held by hamas, including americans, whether that s by negotiations or by other means here in france, president biden and president reagan macron have reiterated the need for an immediate ceasefire, but this all comes as biden is wrapping up a multi-day trip to france, where he has tried to set himself apart from his gop opponent as president biden memorialized war heroes in normandy, church, remarkable bravery on that day. his reelection campaign released this. a good commander in chief is somebody who gives veterans knocking donald trump in a new ad as unfit to serve. the aim to distinguish biden from trump on defense with this week s decorum on display pledging unwavering support for european allies. we will not, we will not say it again, walk away where trump is non-committal. i ve been saying, look if they re not going to pay, we re not going to protect okay. in speaking from the cliffs, american troops scaled on d-day for the fortunate heirs because of a legacy of these heroes, biden, earning comparisons to a republican ronald reagan are armies are here for only one purpose to protect and defend democracy. who 40 years ago was also selling voters on a second term so far, they re not sold according to one recent poll, independence favor trump over biden by 12 points, trump traveled to normandy d2 to mark the d-day 75th. today we remember those who fell, but after his speech attacking democrats in an interview her name, it s nervous magic that she s a nervous wreck. trump later came under fire for skipping a visit to a cemetery outside paris, reportedly calling the americans, buried their losers, something he s denied, but biden doesn t want people to forget telling campaign donors last week, he said they re losers and suckers who in the hell does he think he is in just a few hours, president biden is scheduled to visit that very cemetery outside paris before departing france the trump campaign. meanwhile, for its part calls the biden team desperate and says it s president biden, who s been disrespecting service members, manu, tausche in paris. thank you and now there s a lot to unpack, so let s break this all down with our great panel this morning. seung min kim of the associated press said harnden with the new york times, cnn s isaac dovere, and moralizing with npr. good morning. all right. great. thank you guys all for joining me today. a lot to discuss. that was an interesting trip over the last several days. what s interesting of course, as we all know that elections are typically decided by the economy. but this is an election, of course, it has two wars that are raging overseas. there are the biden has been making the case about democracy that says major selling point. this is how voters view how the issues that are important to them, economy number 130, 1% immigration number two, we ll talk about that in a second. presumably think democracy is 16%, but still the issues about ukraine and the israel-hamas war ranking lower down sudden when you cover the white house for the associated press, how does the biden campaign believed that these issues, foreign policy issues, may have an impact or do they not think you ll have much of an impact come november well, there s a lot contained within that foreign policy category. obviously, we know that one of their biggest weaknesses is the biden administration s handling of the war in gaza, which has really dissolute progressive disillusioned progressives and young voters when the, on the issue of democracy, which you can also put into this foreign policy category, as we have seen over the last several days with president biden and france, they believe that is a really fundamental issue that unites not only their coalition, but kit gets those independent voters, those so-called nikki haley voters that we have seen persistently turnout in these primaries. they believe that that is something that could attract them to their sayyed. and that s why you saw that s one of the reasons why you saw biden speaks so forcefully in these issues over the last several days, he never really said the words donald trump, but you see the political subtexts. you can t help but see that contrast that president biden and his aides are trying to implicitly make against you know, someone like donald trump who disparages the nato alliance, who has said, who has given the green light to putin to do whatever he wants and biden says that is not the way and you really invokes the memory of d-day invokes the the honor of these army rangers to say what would they ask us? to do? we they would ask us to. one quote was vanquish hateful ideologies and you can t help but think that president biden was thinking about donald trump at that moment and look, but you talked about trump versus biden on some of these issues, isn t voters view them according to recent quinnipiac paul preserving democracy as joe biden i ll play a lot seven points, but he is losing. he s underwater. and what the israel-hamas more in russia ukraine, war, morrow i mean, what do you explain that? because trump is barely talked about what is policy is on the israel-hamas war or on ukraine for oh, he s been pretty clear on ukraine. he was impeached the first time because he held up military aid to ukraine. but about how to end this war. yeah, you know, except for that he d ended on day one. what this one was the president. but what s interesting about that, the bad numbers on gaza are about internal democratic divisions that young people and progressives are angry with biden about that. i think that as if biden can succeed in conflating foreign policy in the threat-to-democracy, which is pretty high up on those list of concerns foreign policies way down. but democracy is way up. if you can conflate them, i think that can help them. and what really struck me about the president and europe the things he said could have been said by any president. in other words, of course, we re going to defend democracy and our allies. but because he s running again, someone on a pretty openly authoritarian platform who said nice things about putin disparaged nato allies said, we don t really deserve belong in ukraine. it s not our fight. that s what made this contrast. so explicit want to turn to what you have is what you, some breaking news here about a major issue that president is going to confront and dealing with immigration. right now, if you look at this is isaac story from this morning, biden nears huge next move on. immigrations. you tries to win over latinos in key states this past week, he moved forward in an executive action that angered a lot of folks on the left to try to clamp down on migrant crossings at the southern border. this time a shift. what is it? what are reporting is that the president is very close to moving forward on what would be the next round of executive actions. it would be to make work possible legally for long term undocumented immigrants who are married to americans it sounds like a small group. it s actually about 800,000 people, predominantly latino, when you think about the effect that this haves, it s not just on those people themselves, it s of course, on their spouses under kidd on their whole networks around them, that really makes a reverberating effect through millions of people. by the way, many of those people concentrated in arizona, nevada, georgia, places of the president has been behind a specialty with latinos. there s a political benefit here, but to folks who are been involved with this, this looks a lot to them like daqqa to 0.0 this time, 2012, it was june 15, 2012, barak obama created the daca program for people who had been brought here as children, unknowingly to, so that they could be legal status that to a lot of people was one of the turning point moments for obama s reelection campaign. there is a deep desire to replicate that both in terms of the policy effect here and in terms of the political effect. yeah the political factors. one thing we ll look at it right now. obviously, both polls showed that biden is struggling with on the issue of immigration is what it is major vulnerabilities, but had a biden s bars versus trump s supporters look at the idea of undocumented immigrants and whether they should be able to stay in the us legally if certain requirements are met, the recent pupils that 85% of biden supporters would are supportive of that. but just 32% of trump s supporters such a divide here, but it s clearly he s moving. you could say, to the left to try to placate those concerns is hearing one, how he s been heroin and certainly i think it reflects the kind of cross pressures he s feeling. when the number of issues not only immigration before in policy, this is a president who s tried to be everything to everyone in a lot of points. and with on both the border. and i think in foreign policy you ve seen the difference the gold teeth on that. i think that biden. okay. man, obviously with this is a strip that has flipped to a political liability and i think it s because democrats have not had an affirmative position on a lot of these issues. they have been able to criticize donald trump and republican actions, but there has not been a unified view from both top of the party to the base. well, what to do about immigration? and once you do a look abroad, but i think it s important that we don t see these issues as completely separate. when people talk about the economy too often bring up the fact that we re, that we re giving a lot of money into ukraine in israel when people talk about foreign policy, they ll bring up preserving democracy. these things are working together and also biden s perception, even things like age, the perception of him is not in the driver s seat of kind of events, but reacting to advance, it s something that happens on the foreign policy states that is contributing to his perception of unpopularity domestically. so these things are all kind of all working together to create a really difficult picture for this president. but i think what we re seeing now is the is the white house trying to take a more active role in shaping ahead of this debate so that by the time donald trump makes these arguments, he can point to very specific things that he has done recently specifically on the issue he has someone isaac mentioned about the impact that leads me like dog got the biden team looks kinda views this as darker. 22 of you covered this very closely at that time biden has struggled since then, with hispanic voters. this is having any impact. do you think with that key demographic or is this something similar in any way to what obama did more than a decade ago? well, i was i was talking with some some people who work in this space and there s so much anger after the border executive action that the president role that this week, that there s some thought that they might not even want to praise whatever affirmative action that the administration roles that that would help these undocumented immigrants. but i think another thing to remember too, is that president obama in 2014 rolled out something similar on executive action that was actually blocked by the supreme court. and it was never implemented. and now i m sure biden s team i m sure biden s lawyers are trying to make sure to craft this proposal in a way that they feel could withstand scrutiny. but first of all, the supreme court is a lot more conservative now than it was in 24 14. and he s already going to he could do these things either on the border or on that. it could get blocked by the courts. and then what does that do? then what does that do? those people who he s trying to thwart such a good point, but i m sure republicans will have something to say. this as well. all right coming up next is retribution on the ballot in november i ll dive into president trump s former president trump s new calls for revenge. and my reporting on how far his party is willing to go to back them up get a vote for trump. now i 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the former president s defense and have no pumps with a convicted felon at the top of their ticket by panels back to discuss this isaac use put a lot time with kamala harris. what do you make of the fact that she s going further down again and then biden i in april, spent a bunch of time with her, wrote a piece about how she is really embracing the campaign and the campaign aspects of things which is looser, swinging harder at trump. she also at this book moment, it does not have a direct opponent, right? we re waiting for donald trump to pick a running mate. we ll see who it is, but that puts her in this position where she can continue just going at trumping going at it, him in a way that i think actually speaks to where a lot of the democratic voters would like more democrats to be the response from joe biden and from the biden campaign overall, to donald trump s conviction is just stays convicted felon, not really talk about the details of it, and not really talk about it that much even at all and that has struck a lot of democrats in the wider world as a sort of strange approach. given that they would like you to brace as you may get more part of your message their goal here is to beat donald trump and part of that would be from making him more disqualified in the eyes of voters, harris went right out that and by the way, she went right at it at a democratic party in michigan democratic party event rather, and michigan that is where i think we should expect to see her much more over the course of the next six reminds me of her presidential campaign, you know, justices on the ballot. common harris prosecuting the case against donald trump. these were all kind of ethos is that were part of the original premise of her as a politician. i think that is going to be the rozi place to isaac s point, to be two, to actually be able to make the case in a more direct way than joe biden. well, but at the same time, we haven t seen real returns from this and especially because on the public side, that conviction has not registered as a huge shift. we were following the news there are times polling about what actually moved people after the conviction. and you saw two points moving away from from trump to biden, but some of that was drop-off, just the interest in third-party, some of that. but the landscape is really messy around this conviction, but it s not telling the sea change and last year when we were talking to democrats about the premise of biden s campaign part of it was a belief that the legal problems will make donald trump inherently uncollectible. we have not seen that come to fruition and so what the harris is doing, i think it s to try to make that true in a way that democrats have not been able to kind of make that reality such so far, but their belief that they would inevitably happen has not come to pass. and we re going to dive a little deeper. about the impacts are not at bag will have on the numbers in the next segments. thanks for that good there was going to board a cub meanwhile, we ve heard to trump and just talk about retribution and what does that exit mean? who really knows, but this is what he s talking about. this is his messaging in the aftermath of his conviction will revenge, just take time. i will say there has births and sometimes revenge can be justified. feel i have to be honest. sometimes they can it s very terrible thing. it s a terrible precedent for our country. does that mean the next president does it to them? that s really the question. when this election is over, based on what they ve done, i would have every right to go after them i mean, sure. he s rallied the base in the aftermath of the conviction, but is at risk of going too far. there might be the thing that struck me about donald trump s campaign is how much it s been base oriented, how much he doesn t seem to care about those independence or nikki haley voters he s just really been ever since the beginning of the political yeah, this is his theory of the case. it s like a cable news business model. you don t have to a bigger audience, they just have to watch him 24/7 how much money you raised so that but but i think that the republican party has fallen in line. i mean, some of his supporters are calling for jailing alvin bragg, something for supporters are calling for executing the alvin bragg, but and to a person, there behind him, will it have a risk? certainly we haven t seen that in the polls so far, but this is a race that s going to be won or lost on the market a tiny little shift of voters could make a big difference in battleground states speaking up, falling in line yes, i spoke to i spoke to a number of the sum of those vulnerable republicans in the house. so people will represent districts that joe biden won some districts even by double-digits. and i asked them, you have a convicted felon at the top of the ticket. are you still going to support now that trump has been convicted, are you planning on supporting him in november versus joe biden yes. yeah i already he voted for him in the primary november the way this is about the american people. i have no issues in supporting donald trump for president the united states. he s the republican nominee on the republican yeah. a lot of my constituents are i think even more than supportive now because democrats went way too far. having a convicted felon and a district like yours hurt republicans. my district school, a very smart people with firm grasp reality. they can smell give a comment that last one was caused the tom king junior who did not respond. the other ones indicated they did look at another political universe you have a candidate who has some baggage. you re vulnerable member, you run away from, you don t want anything to do with them. this is the trump era when republicans are fine, he s a convicted felon. they ll side with his messaging when i was watching that, i was reminded a lot of the dynamics that we saw after the access hollywood tape in 2016 when we did see some on endorsements, but most of the party rally behind him because they know they re the republican lawmakers you talked to. they ve either accepted or maybe are residing to the fact that president trump is their party s nominee. and they know they cannot lose their base of supporters if they want to win they do need to attract the independent voters, which is why they say things like, well, we re supportive of trump, that we don t like the verdict and all that, but let s talk about the economy let s talk about immigration. that s how they tried to broaden their own coalition of voters. and i was just blast for the past manu, but remember when joe heck in 2016 shamelessly on endorse trump on live tv after access hollywood, i remember strategists at the time saying that s kind of where his campaign started going downhill because you really need to cole are really bring together, consolidate your own based first. yeah, good, good reference and then 2012, there s also but it was also the dynamic here is that there are republicans in the swing districts who are fine with endorsing trump than the love vulnerable democrats, vulnerable senate democrats in these purple-ish, even red states. and whether they are going to talk about the trump guilty verdict do you think that i will come back to trump verdict? was did they get this correct? the trump verdict, the jury in new york the jury decision, and they that s their that s their decision. and we ll see with an acceptance, did the jury get it right in new york? sayyed put out a statement. i ve said what i ve said. do you support that meantime, there are republican opponents have come and gone after them with ads. tim sheehy and montana put out an ad saying that jon tester, who s running against them standing on the attacking him for the verdict and sherrod brown is a bone-in tagging him over the verdict in these members don t want to talk about was that tell you well, look, i mean, that s montana now it s the very republican state and job bob casey s from pennsylvania. i think that that s trays and look, i think that this is the tension they re facing. look, i had a story a couple of days ago that was also a bad the biden campaign s outreach beginning to republicans and i think it is definitely the case that republican leaders, current republican leaders please do not want to have any sunlight between them and donald trump, but among a lot of former republican leaders, there is now some connections going on to the biden campaign. and the question that a lot of them raised to me is how many republicans looking voters are there out there who maybe don t want to say it publicly. but who once they go into the voting booth, pulled the curtain tight, we ll actually not vote for donald trump or even vote for joe biden. maybe skip it or vote. that is a huge question. for the rest of the campaign. all right, up next, our first hint is at how trump s 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all on voters while new polling shows there are some small size of shifts. broadly speaking, it has not made much of a dent in trump s standing, at least not yet. new poll from fox news shows the former president still ahead several key states, except notably in virginia, where the poll shows the race is tied. and of course, president biden won virginia in 2020 by about ten points or panel is back just a little bit deeper than that fox news poll about how independence, what they view, this has an impact in these swing-state, the hush money verdict the guilty verdict their 29% of voters in virginia say it matters up to 44% in florida, then you have the doesn t matter, 68% in virginia, all the way down to 52%, say it doesn t matter now we don t know that that means whether they re going to actually vote or they will vote but it doesn t seem to be. again, not a game changer. look, we always said this was the weakest of all the cases against him. it turns out it s the only one that s probably going to happen before election day and most people say it s not going to change their votes. npr, pbs, marist had a poll, 60 something percent said it won t change their votes, but 17% said they would, and that matters in a battleground state. so it might happen around the edges, but the biden campaign has to figure out how to make it matter. i don t think they re very clear yet on the best way to do that instead, you had actually been speaking to some of these voters throughout the course of these legal cases in your podcasts, you talked to a voter about whether they would switch to biden. this was someone who had said they were going to vote for trump and now will they switch vote for biden now that he s a guilty guilty in this case? so i was thinking along the lines of the january 6. now i m comprising yup. if you went after my mat and you re able to get them on something like that. that might make me change my mind, but this being a big item on i m sorry. it just doesn t sway me. i think it was a crime i am that in another world, if he was another person and nobody would have touched it, would you? this? is an arizona republican voter. cells as mine hasn t changed. yeah, this is part of two groups we spoke to. the first, which includes cart, was people who had set in the october york times paul, that if trump was convicted of a crime, they would change their mind. they would start that they were trump supporters will be open the backing biden was about 7% of people. now, when we call it a lot of those folks back as new york times polling was doing over the last week, almost universally they were having added caveats to that opinion, say, oh, was a different case as kurt said, or maybe if it turned out or maybe the facts were more but they folks weren t really changing because because of this but when we call back to the majority of voters in the general national survey, you did see one to 2% of movement away from by, away from trump toward biden. and so that can to the point about margins make a small difference. but i would caution against saying this doesn t matter at all. donald trump s donald trump s legal problems have been ingested by most people well, and it s part of the reason democrats have done better and things like the midterms as far the reason joe biden has a narrative to tell swing voters in independence, because oftentimes it has come back to hurt donald trump. donald trump is a weak general election candidate, partially because of these things, all of the polling would tell us that republicans will be better served if someone else was at the top of the ticket, how ever because he s going up against another week candidate and joe biden relative to each other. he s still retaining that level of support. so that s what really came through in this poli. and it s not the people did not care about donald trump s baggage, is that it wasn t enough to overcome some of the unpopularity of joe biden. that s what we re seeing. that s a little more deeper rooted. i think some democrats expect, of course, the fact that a lot of these other cases almost certainly will not get reach a verdict november then it shows you that voter may not be swayed. we ll see, but i do want to turn to the other big criminal case. so hunter biden case, the president s son, there could be verdict this week. in fact, the instill question about whether hunter biden will testify. it seems unlikely he will in his own defense in this criminal case what s been we ll see what the fallout is depending on what the verdict ultimately is, what s been notable is there s been a shift a bit in trump s own messaging about this from 2022. now hunter, you got thrown out of the military. he was thrown out dishonorably discharged. that s not true. was it two years. and he didn t have a job until you became vice president. i feel very badly for them in terms of the addiction part of what they have, right now, because i understand the addiction world and i ve also not only a brother, i ve lost a lot of friends to addiction so suddenly he s changed his tune and hunter biden well, like many people saw that moment when the debate that followed that in 2020, when joe biden spoke very personally in viscerally about his son facing addiction and families of the face as one of joe biden s best moments in the campaign. donald trump seems to be responding to that. i think the other thing here is that this case is it s really complicated what happened with hunter biden here. it s not about drug use, it s about the gun charges related to drug use and trump s supporters are trump aides have said that they feel like this is not the kind of thing that they would like to be prosecuting the case on hunter on it doesn t get to the business dealings, it doesn t get to joe biden enriching himself. look, if you re going to get into complicated family dynamics with a lot of children the trump family has some you don t but speaking obviously says personal issue and the president, but politically zero concern in the biden camp about what a guilty verdict may mean for the president november they think that people will view these things separately. well, i think they re trying to make sure that these legal his legal hunters legal cases don t get conflated with what the present for the former president has been convicted of. and they are so different, obviously not only different facts, but hunter s a private citizen donald trump is the republican nominee. what what he does has a direct bearing on the american people, whereas janiot, you can i really argue that. but i think the democrats are really trying to make sure that in the eyes of the public that those two those two issues are kept separate. i think the concern among democrats is just the impact on president biden himself and he is a father. i this is his son going through very difficult moment and a moment of his life. he s got a lot going on this month. he s got the debate 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several potential trump vp picks have now received vetting materials and two of them, senator joe jd vance, and note dakota governor doug burgum joining trump on a west coast swing this week. trump s as you re announcing his choice at the republican national convention next month and fouls back. okay, mara, your crystal ball, where do you think that trump it lands here. i mean, there s obviously there s a list of running mates. you can see on your screen where it knows it s hard to make predictions, especially about the future and about, and about. look, this is the most normal part of donald trump. this is he picked mike pence last time. totally normal. he wanted the evangelical community. mike pence was the ambassador to that constituency. totally understandable in this case. he has a couple of choices. he can pick a person of color, reach out to minority voters or you can pick doug bergen, burgum and increase his credentials with the business community. some of some of whom are a little nervous about him, or he could double down on maga and go for a jd vance? yeah. what he s gonna do. i don t know. but in the past we know that he s done the normal thing. yeah. that would be a burgum pads speaking of burgum is how the washington post put it broken is viewed by some trump allies, is trying too hard, but trump seems to have genuine personal chemistry with them according to people familiar with the matter, i mean, trump also wants loyalty. obviously, there s anyone does a particularly trump loyalty. trump s all else pun intended. i find it interesting that they think, or they are some advisors think they re doug burgum is trying too hard because so many of these vp candidates are really auditioning without saying they re jacking for the position and you mentioned jd vance and burgum campaigning out with with president trump. jd vance was asked about this. you have tim scott, i believe spending $14 million on an ad campaign. they re doing a lot to try to get that vp slot. they re just not saying that. yeah. there s the question of does it help in other parts of the ticket, tim scott, maybe helps with black voters. trump just got to hello percent supportive blackboards in 2020, at least to phonic. she up with women. he just got 42%. he s gonna do better in both groups, but vice presidential candidates don t always change the equation. yeah, we often have this kind of discussion with them when we know this is going to be probably about the top of the ticket with it does du obviously set up a vice presidential debate between this person and vice president harris. but i think these kind of normal calculations is what donald trump is going through. what we can bet on is the show. he is announcing this as the republican national committee. he s hoping he s hosting an apprentice like trial that was at new hampshire after the primary and when he had people speak one by one and what felt like a live audition process? we can bet on the spectacle of it all, but i do think the kind of traditional political calculus is where a lot of these things, law, it s kind of surprising, actually to see the names live rubio on the list kind of more traditional republican figures. but i think it speaks to someone who feels like he s in a good position to win this election. and this thinking more about consolidation of the party at large, rather then more firebrand type methods could even jd vance isn t as maga as he could have gone over. some people were expecting last year in quickly as it who do you think that the biden team wants trump to pick? they would like someone who doesn t bring in a lot of votes from doug burgum, like are they scared i think that that is much more on people s minds, but i do think that one thing that will be notable here as we go through this drawn out process trump does. is that a lot of these people, doug burgum said that he would not do business with trump. marco rubio said people would come to regret going trump. a lot of these people used to say that trump was terrible yeah. this is her tv absolutely absolutely. great discussion coming up or exclusive sit-down interview with a member of congress diagnosed with debilitating brain disease how she s making history and inspiring others it may show you to hear this, but this is not my real voice pods spring moving sale has been extended, save up to 25% on moving in storage until june 10, and see via pods, it s been trusted with over you re six million moves, don t wait, use promo code 25. now to save, look at pot.com today, my name age braden. i wish 5-years-old when i can changing. how trained short-run gown the story shell, and then having these headaches that when i go away my mom crying what they said, they re saying has brain cancer it was your worst fear coming to life? watching your child grow up is the dream. every parent you can join the battle to save the lives of kids leg braden, by supporting st. jude children s research hospital families 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from making strides on the hill and making jokes in the process. cnn s capitol hill report or melania zona has the story it may shock you to hear this, but this is not my real voice. once a rising star in the democratic party, congresswoman jennifer waxen, flip house seat in 2018. i ve been saying since the beginning of this campaign that he s is coming to america and changes coming to virginia and that change came tonight. now, a rare brain disease has forced her into early retirement and robbed waxen of the ability to speak but that hasn t stopped her from using her voice. i hope i can show that even instability dating a diagnosis has this doesn t have to mean you are powerless and finding moments of levity and fund helps to last year at 56-years-old wac than was diagnosed with progressive supranuclear palsy to have find incurable disease that impacts about 30,000 americans described as parkinson s on steroids psp affects the brain cells that control balance, walking, speech, and swallowing. we give are you polish shakes when it comes to illness progressive is not a good thing to be as her condition began to rapidly deteriorate, the congresswoman and mom of two learn to adapt last month, weapon became the first lawmaker to use a voice app is to deliver a speech on the house floor, a history-making moment that prompted an outpouring of support, psp makes it very difficult for me to speak and i use an assistive app so that you and our colleagues can understand me she also uses the app to participate in committee hearings. she shows up every time we have a committee hearings. and she represents her people and god bless her people she s representing a getting a hell of a deal with her and so i had to communicate with colleagues and staff in all of the congressional text chains that exist, like she is absolutely like top five funniest waxen isn t the only member of congress using assistive technology senator john fetterman relies on an app to help him process what he s hearing as he recovers from a stroke in my recovery was to the point where now it s really this fetterman was so touched by waxen story that he sent the congresswoman a personal note to let her know that she is not alone. she is inspiring people by being able to perform her job because a lot of million americans have to everyday tasks can still be a challenge for weston, the capitol hill campus has not historically been very ada friendly how have you? he found the institution? do you think it s been adequately equipped to handle people with disabilities? you measure notice how it accessible of place maybe until it s you who relies on the accessibility accommodations. and weston says some of her colleagues now treat her differently. it s especially frustrating and deploying when people mistake my speaking struggles for like cognitive ability. i ve had experiences where well-meaning colleagues always men have approached me seeing hi jennifer, it soon, so like, yeah, of course i know who you are. i ve seen you hear every day for the last five years, the chaotic speaker s race in october took an added one, weston who was forced to miss doctor s appointments because of the grueling schedule that was probably the worst i felt physically and emotionally since i was diagnosed but quitting early was not something like ever seriously he entertained before she leaves congress early next year, waxed as using her platform to raise awareness about brain diseases like psp she organized an advocacy week last month, while the senate recently passed her national plan to end parkinson s disease, she s an inspiration while many would have been discouraged or lost hope with a disease like this, she is endured. she has used her struggled to help others. and now the bill goes to the president s desk, a bipartisan bill named in her honor. what do you want your congressional legacy to be i hope that one day when we have eradicated parkinson s in parkinson s isms, paton leucine even 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reunions palestinians mourn the lives of those killed during the operations. details on how the mission unfolded ahead president joe biden commenting on the rescue during a state visit to france, what he had to today and the role the us played and trash talk between north and south korea were alive at the demilitarized zone with a look at how the latest tension are unfolding and israeli military raid on a palestinian refugee camp lead to emotional reunions for for newly freed hostages. and their families. but now there are questions about the deadly toll of the rescue mission well, this was the scene at a hospital in israel where the four hostages met with family and friends for the first time in eight months. the israeli military released this video showing some of the reunions. the idf says the rescued hostages are in good medical condition, but were taken to hospital for medical examination israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu met with the former hostages and their families. he told one of them, quote, we didn t give up on you for a moment. cnn spoke with a doctor who examined the four about what they need to recover from the experience they don t need politicians visits for pr purposes. they need some quiet they need to be able to recover to think, to regroup to get more into some kind of routine. it s personal, it s dependent on the people and, you know, i just was in the hospital. when are more visitors is friends visited him and it was important for him too. thanks is france to wear for him for the last eight months, walking to listen. but still they need comfort. they need what we call a tender love and care and examine all the medical conditions. but try to get them back to life. try to get them more independent because they didn t have any control what despite the rescue, we are seeing new protests calling on the government to secure a deal to free the remaining hostages in gaza. many of the demonstrators are also calling for new elections to remove prime minister benjamin netanyahu civilians in gaza describing the scenes of horror they witnessed as israel carried out its operation to rescue the four hostages. cnn has been wiedemann has the details hello, on earth is how one palestinian in gaza describe the situation in the nuseirat camp saturday to cnn as his israeli forces carried out their operation to successfully free four hostages and indeed the scene in the sedaghat and the nearby al-aqsa martyrs hospital. can only be described as held israeli operation killed at least two 230 people and wounded more than 400 according to doctors in gaza, who spoke to see and then the hospital was overwhelmed by the injured many of them women and children the corridors jammed with staff trying trying to treat the wounded with desperate relatives begging for attention for those awaiting care. the morgue is full the dead, some shrouded in white sheets, others still in their blood soaked clothing were laid out on the ground surrounded by weeping and praying, loved ones. the rescue operation is being lauded by israel s friends with little if any reference to the palestinian death toll. but the reaction elsewhere was one of anger, palestinian authority president mahmoud up best called for an emergency meeting of the un security council and the eu eu s top diplomat, josep borrell, described your ports of what he called another massacre of civilians as appalling i m ben wiedemann, cnn reporting from beirut would generalists still here go can join us now, more on the rescue and the aftermath. elliott, tell us what more you learning about this operation? from what we understand this was an operation that was weeks in the planning. in fact, they d aborted plans to carry out this rescue mission. a couple of times previously, but this time it got the green light it went ahead around about 11:00 in the morning local time, israel taking the view that hamas would be unlikely to be expecting some kind of death hey, time operation. and that would give them an additional element of surprise. so under cover of airstrikes, they knew that noa argamani, who became the face of the october 7 terrorist attacks or she was sped away on a back of a motorbike, pleading for her life. she was in one building and then 200 meters away, where the three male hostages so the rescue operation was carried out simultaneously in both apartments. they went in there, they the israeli defense forces say that they rescued know where they took her captors by surprise and rescued her without too much fast, but an intense gunfight ensued with those who were guarding the three male hostages they managed to extricate them from the building. and as they left with the hostages, israel says they came under intense fire, including from rocket-propelled grenade. they were given further cover by airstrikes and managed to get the hostages to the waiting helicopters by the beach and then flown back to israel for emotional reunions with their friends and family elliott prime minister netanyahu, who as we saw, has met with the hostages, release hostages. he has faced enormous pressure from all sides to secure the release of those hostages this obviously is a win for him. does it in bold in him, does it by him time it may embolden him. i don t think it necessarily by so many time because one of the first things the families of the hostages who were rescued when they met with the prime minister yesterday, was, we re very, very grateful that israel and the armed forces together with the shin bet and the counterterrorism unit of the police, rescued their loved ones but let s not forget that it is imperative that israel get back the remaining hundred and 60 hostages who were kidnapped on october the seventh, around a third of whom are believed to be dead. so there s no let up in terms of the pressure. i don t think it buys netanyahu time. it may buy him a few points in the opinion polls, which have repeatedly and consistently shown that were an election to be held tomorrow, that he would lose it. and i think it would also give him an other members of his governing coalition perhaps a bit of vindication from their perspective that as they ve been saying all along, it is military pressure on hamas that will ultimately lead to the release of the hostages rather than solely negotiation that said, the deal that president biden announced that he said was a israel s proposal for a hostage deal and a ceasefire that would ultimately lead to a full cessation of hostilities. hostilities that remains on the table, but there are still very large gaps between israel and hamas and they seem to be the same gaps that have been there for months, namely, that israel wants to be able to return to fighting after a temporary ceasefire. hamas wants guarantees of a complete end to the war. and unless they can square that circle and there is not going to be a hostage deal. it go can we appreciate the update? thank you we re us president joe biden is hailing the rescue of the four israeli hostages and vowing to help secure the release of the remaining ones. cnn s priscilla alvarez has more the united states on saturday commending israel for its rescue of four hostages with president biden welcoming the use alongside the french president. i don t want to echo president macron comments welcoming the safe rescue of four hostages we re returned to their families. it is you won t stop working until all the hostages come home and a ceasefire is reached. that is essential to happen. a us official tells cnn that an american cell in israel supported the rescue efforts, working with israeli forces. that and reference to a team that has been assisting israel since october 7, to information gather on hostages. but a source also confirming to cnn that there were no us boots on the ground in this mission. now, of course, the u.s. has it s been pushing for a hostage deal that would also include a ceasefire in gaza. president biden himself outlining that three-phase proposal that again would include the release of all hostages and a temporary ceasefire and potentially a permanent ceasefire in gaza. in fact, just this week u.s. and 16 other countries urged hamas to close, quote, close the deal. just another example of the ongoing pressure by the united states. so your us officials have also been back to the region to try to give more traction to those talks. and while it s still unclear where those talks will lead us at the very least, on saturday, committing ending israel and applauding what they called a successful operation priscilla alvarez, cnn, washington meantime, pro-palestinian protesters are keeping up the pressure around the world. this was the scene outside a museum in spain on saturday as hundreds of demonstrators lay on the ground to mimic casualties in gaza tens of thousands of protesters also marched through central london. the scenes were similar in the us as thousands of demonstrators gathered outside the white house demanding a ceasefire in gaza. cnn s bryan todd has the details it s been a day of high emotion and heavy symbolism here on the grounds of the white house on the south lawn here at the ellipse, and on the north sayyed at lafayette square park. what s going on here behind me is a symbolic court of justice, the palestinian, the pro-palestinian protesters here have prepared what they call an indictment of aged war criminals from the us and israel. they re reading some charges here. they have judges sitting behind them on the dais, their again, as symbolic court of justice for what they believe are war crimes committed in israel and gaza earlier. what they did was they unfurled a huge red banner symbolizing what they call a red line. they called it the people s red line, symbolizing what they believe is president biden not sticking enough to a red line that he drew with the israelis regarding the incursion of rafah, this red banner was two miles long and 100 foot sections. it was unfurled and protesters ring the entire white house complex earlier with that banner. that banner is now on the ground here late in rows, but it had a lot of writing on it, messages, signatures that was part of the visual earlier today. you ve got crowds here watching now the mock trial at the ellipse here on the south side of the white house earlier, we did witness two statues in lafayette park with graffiti written on them by protesters. so that was part of the kind of a dustup that happened earlier with police moving in and trying to get protesters off of the statue, but that didn t last very long. but two statues in lafayette park were the did have graffiti written on them these protests leaders tell us they hope to come out of this is a growth of this anti, anti israel and pro-palestinian movement and a lessening of us military and other aid to israel. bryan todd, cnn, washington well, there s much more to come here on cnn newsroom after the break. a strong show 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world war i military symmetry the same symmetry, former president donald trump reportedly said was quote, filled with losers or french president emmanuel macron on mr. biden with a state dinner on saturday during his toast, biden called this visit. the most remarkable trip and stress the close bond shared between the us and france we stand at an inflection point in history the decisions we make now will determine the course of our future for decades to come. we have a lot of opportunity, but a lot of responsibility. and it gives me hope to know france, the united states stand together now and always cnn s kayla tausche joins us now, live from paris and kayla obviously this triple an incredibly important one for president biden. what has he achieved? well, the main goal of this trip was to send a signal to the world and to voters and citizens of the united states that the relations didn t kinship between america and france and america and europe more broadly, remains iron clad in the face of conflicts around the world, as well as a rising surge of populism on both sides of the atlantic. if that was the goal, then the trip by that measure was a success when the two liters delivered statements together, those statements reflected the closeness of the alliance, the closeness of that bond, and the areas of alignment on policies like the continued need to support ukraine. the need to contribute to more collective defenses at nato as well as the need for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. all of those were part of the part of the statements that the president s made, as well as the 13 page roadmap app that they released a following that so by that measure on it, it is safe to say that this trip was a success for both presidents. now, the hard work is what happens now. the leaders are going to be going to the g7 then taking some of those discussions on the road and figuring out what they can get other allies to agree to as well yeah, obviously the optics have been incredibly good for, for president biden whilst he s been in france, how is this trip been received back in the us, considering there were plenty of messages aimed at here he s domestic audience messages aimed as well as imagery aimed at the former president and now opponent on the campaign trail for president biden, of course course, former president donald trump. that was one of the main through leinz of this trip was that president trying to strike a contrast with what his predecessor did when he made a similar visit to normandy for the 75th anniversary and two other visits to france, where he has you mentioned did not visit that ceremony that sarah cemetery where world war one dead are buried and reportedly called the american war heroes, buried their losers and sucker s something he has denied, but something that cnn has reported on extensively it takes a few weeks for anything like what happened in this week to be reflected in the psyches and the mindsets of voters back home and to show up and pulls to really see whether it made a difference right now, the race is really at dead heat. it s been an a tie for a very long time with a small share of voters expected to decide the election. by that measure, most independence. recent polls show that independence favor trump by about 12 points. but certainly there s still about six months to go before the election on a those reported comments from trump truly unforgivable. kayla tausche in paris. we thank you. the world s largest multi-country election is underway for the next european parliament today, spain, france, germany, and several others open the polls on the final day of voting. millions of people in 27 nations are deciding what the next five years will look like for the european union. italy voted on saturday and like some people on the small island of lampedusa, many europeans are grappling with issues like immigration and the war in ukraine what i meant as what i mean, there s certainly expect to europe, there s more inclined to think about the conflicts in the world when that seeks not to arm, but to disarm with words using words have peace misleading words liberty thousand stuff. i was very undecided whether or not to go and vo actually, i was thinking of not going to vote because europe is not felt here. but in the end, out of sense of civic duty, i will go and vote. i don t expect a huge change, but some new faces might be there massive grounds protested in berlin on saturday, slamming germany s right-wing party demonstrators carried eu flags and signs urging people to vote polls a suggesting right-wing parties in a number of european countries. we ll see big gains in this election will south korea says it will resume broadcasting propaganda messages on loudspeakers over it s heavily armed border with the north today. well, that s after north korea, once again started sending hundreds of balloons carrying trash to the south, the mood by the north comes days after south korean activists sent hundreds of thousands of leaflets condemning kim jong own over the border. well along with 5,000 usb sticks loaded with k-pop music and k-dramas well, say in as mike valeriia joins us now, live for, for more on this season. south korea, near the korean military zone demon demilitarized zone. micah, great to see you and it would appear the south koreans not deterred by all that trash that fell across the country right? and it was striking to see those images, which we ll get to in a couple of seconds. so if the latest balloons falling into the middle of seoul, i would say that the south korean government is not deterred from having some sort of a response here. it s going to be delicate, is what we re expecting, but there are so many people like farmers. we talked to you on thursday after your new nana, who want this back-and-forth to stop, they want things to go back to where they were like in 2018, for example, the last military agreement between north and south korea when both sides somewhat pulled back their military presence from the dmc. so in terms of why we re here and what we re waiting for, it s exactly what you described the top of our segment, we re waiting for new loudspeaker broadcasts from south korea to the other side pointed towards the north with propaganda announcements, but we ll be talked about propaganda announcements, these are loudspeaker broadcasts of k-pop music albums and also news reports of human rights abuses perpetrated by kim jong-un un s regime. again, pointed in the direction of the north in some instances, audible for about 20 kilometers. so to sound the message loud and clear. but what exactly precipitated this latest at heightening of tensions are the the photos that we have new this morning of at trash balloons reaching the soul area, the heart of soul, one balloon. there s an image floating in the middle of the hunt areas in the middle of this megalopolis. so south korea is saying, okay, well, now that you ve had this response we re going to go back to where we were in 2018 before the last military agreement, which since has been technically abandoned as a few as of a few two days ago. so we re here at the gateway unification bridge and poggio, south korea. this is one of the last spots ana, you can get where you can. travel to get to north korea before you are restricted from going any further. all of these cars have civilian permits to work in the restricted zone. so we re gonna be waiting to see what we can hear from these latest loudspeaker broadcasts. and we ll be back in the next hour with a checkup on that front like you enjoy that k-pop music macular the demilitarized zone. thank you well, us supreme court justice clarence thomas is finally acknowledging that two trips he and his wife took back in 2019 we paid for by republican megadonor harlan crow one trip to bali on crows private plane was the focus of reporting by pro propublica last year, there are about 20 years of lavish vacations funded by the billionaire until now, thomas had never previously disclosed the 2019 trips and didn t place a value on them either. our ira enten crunched the data and found that thomas has received many, many more gifts than others. supreme court justices look at this amount of gifts accepted by a supreme court justice clarence thomas, 103 gifts over the last 20 years amount greater than 2 million. now, you ll see there are other justices on that list too. of course, have received gift amounts. samuel alito, north of 100,000, 170,000 but the fact is the amount that clarence thomas, not just the number of gifts, but the amount of money that he has received. i think these numbers will do nothing to quell the idea that supreme court justices have to be much more transparent with the gifts that they ve received. perhaps have to step back from issuing or taking part in certain opinions. and more than that, we ll do nothing i think the quell the thoughts from a lot of liberals who think that clarence 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touched down on israeli soil. one of four hostages rescued in what was called a high risk complex mission saturday morning in nuiseirat, central gaza the idf says all four were taken captive by hamas militants at the nova music festival on october 7, where hundreds more were killed. noa argamani has become a symbol of israel s hostages being held in gaza, filmed on the back of a motorbike being taken into gaza by hamas militants from the first civil used and hamas propaganda videos while in captivity. today, she is free, hugging her father, waiting to visit her terminally ill mother in a separate i d hospital. andrey kozlov and shlomi ziv were working as security at the music festival when they too were taken hostage. all four were brought for medical checkups once back on home soil, or four are said to be stable and in good medical condition in this hospital just outside tel aviv now israel s military security agency and police say that this mission had been planned for weeks israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu given the green light on thursday this was a high risk complex mission based on precise intelligence conducted in daylight in two separate buildings. deep inside gaza israel s prime minister benjamin netanyahu visited the rescued hostages we re committed to getting the reuse of all the hostages. and we expect hamas do reach them all out if they don t, i ll do whatever it takes. we ll get them all back. the hostage and missing families forum says 120 more captives remaining gaza. the way to rescue them is with a ceasefire deal. that s not the way we can win 100 hostages back home. we must all of us together the word follow president biden speech. and go with the deep that the price paid in gaza for these rescues that has been unquestionably high more than 200 killed, more than 400 injured according to the enclave s government media office there is no clarity on the breakdown of civilian and military casualties and got bone on this man says, there are children torn apart and scattered in the streets. they wiped out nuseirat. it is hell on earth an endless cycle of dead and wounded rushed into al-aqsa martyrs hospital saturday a medical center already well over capacity and dangerously understaffed and under supplied it is a jarring view of two clashing impacts of one rescue mission. pull hancocks, cnn, tel aviv joining me now from london is gideon at levy column is for haaretz and israeli newspaper. he was also an advisor to former israeli prime minister shimon peres. great to see you get in the jubilation with within israel clearly shared by the prime minister who has been under a normal this pressure from all sides to secure the release of hostages does this rescue alleviate that pressure and perhaps by him some time no buys him only short time. israel is now in euphoria. but this euphoria will pass very quickly. i mean, it s so human soul nature so happy about really the release of four people getting united with their families. nobody can remain in indifferent. allow me just to remind our viewers that 230 palestinians at least hey, in their lives for this brave operation. and they shouldn t be forgotten. it s one thing to have the hostages released, but the price was almost unacceptable. in any case, in ateneo, israel will face the reality few days again because most of the programs were not solved. we are still stuck in gaza. we are most of the hostages are not released and the war goes on without having any clear goals. gideon, does this embolden netanyahu s government? will it make them less likely to come to some sort of deal where they would have to give concessions to hamas so far, i don t see them getting to again, i don t think they wanted deal because this government wants to continue the war in any price. and if this is the priority, then there is no deal this has nothing to do with the dramatic events of yesterday any guns might leave this government and still this government is quite solid and say i think that there s a lot of wishful thinking about this government to see them fall very, very soon. they might stay quiet as you say, the fallout of this rescue incredibly high. some would say too high. the idf claims that killed less than 100 gaza health officials say it s more than 200 dead and more than 400 wounded. i mean, i cannot imagine that this death toll, whatever it is collateral damage is some may see it for saving these, these four hostages will help any peace deal. us secretary of state antony blinken, he s flying to the region this week, you would have to assume he s meetings will be unsuccessful losses ford about it this does it really matter if it s 100 or 200 look at the scenes in the hospitals of gaza. lucky the scenes in the streets. it s horrifying by the way, i believe more to the palestinian figure because they know how many for this were brought there. i m not sure there are me these very aminos exactly how many they actually but any case this leads us only for another deadlock, not the de changed much. we will not close to the red for sure you mentioned piece pieces beyond horizons. now, nobody even mentioned species but a deal was quite far before this operation and is still very far after this ration, as long as the united states will not be decisive enough. and put some conditions to the aid of two israel as long as this continues to flow in an unconditioned way, israel is free to do whatever it wants gideon, despite the rescue of these for israelis protest is still took to the streets and we know that the families of some of those rescued hostages, they implored the prime minister to save the other hostages in gaza. do you see this, this pressure remaining, i mean, how, how is this going to play out as you say, this is this is momentary temporary. the relief and jubilation that israelis are feeling exactly and throughout the last month, those demonstrations were very impressive. and had very, very little influence. we have to face it my heart goes to all those demonstrators but they don t touch the core issue in the core issue is stopping the war the core issue must be stopping the war. it s not the case. they want to see that and you fall and they want to see the hostages being released. both are very important goals, but they don t call to stop the crimes, to stop the killing hearings, to stop the war. now, unfortunately, this camp of demonstrators is not the political base of this government and not the political base of netanyahu and therefore, from their point of view, this pressure is not a real pressure on them because they are much more concerned with their political base. and let s remember there is a majority of israelis who wants to see this. wo continue and there is a growing number, again, growing number of israelis who support netanyahu and his government so it will not be easy gideon, just before you go, benny gantz, the former defense minister, he appeared to have postponed his decision to quit the war cabinet, canceling his press conference at the very last minute after the news of the rescues what do you think he will do? and how will that affect the prime minister? and his government i might surprise you or not, but i think it s quite marginal and not important. benny gantz was in the government the last months and had very little influence if at all he justified joining this government by believing that he can moderate this government and have some influence you see what these government had done. you see the outcome in gaza. you see the killed you see everything. benny gantz wasn t there. he didn t have any influence and the fact that he might leave. now is not a very dramatic question because this government has still a solid, solid, the majority, as long as the right-wing us are salt leaving and it s always aiming everything to the right fingers, those extreme racist, nationalistic here, right wing partners and as long as de stay and they have no reason to leave, this 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reporter: this rescue operation took place in broad daylight in an area called dave surratt in central gaza. the israeli military says this was based on weeks of intelligence and that they simultaneously stormed two apartments in buildings around 200 yards away from each other. in one of those apartments, they found noa argamani on her own and in the other, they found those three male hostages who were also kidnapped from the october 7th music festival. when those israeli special forces had the hostages in their arms, they gave the agreed-upon code word over the radio. they said we have the diamonds, we have the diamonds. they got the hostages out in armored vehicles. noa argamani was flown back and israel by a helicopter and taken to the hospital here in the greater tel aviv area. i met her father on october 8th. the worst day of this man s life, his world crumbling, his only daughter kidnapped by hamas and i saw him again today exactly 8 months later, and you can only imagine the joy exuberant rating out of this man to have his child back. we had a chance to speak to some of his friends and listen to what they told us about how she is doing. how are you guys feeling? amazing. you saw noa? how is she doing? she s laughing, she is strong, it s amazing. reporter: now, this moment of joy for noa and her family is also tinged with sadness. noa s mother is dying of brain cancer. for these last eight months, it has been her final wish to see her daughter once again and tonight, that wish was fulfilled. noa s boyfriend was kidnapped alongside her on october 7th. he remains inside gaza is one of the 120 hostages still being held there and jonathan, i should tell you that while there are celebrations here in israel tonight, there is absolutely searing grief inside of gaza. the health ministry says at least 210 people were killed by israeli forces during this raid, many of them, women and children. our team on the ground inside gaza sat many dead and dying children being brought into that facility there, so it is a painful split screen tonight between the joy in israel and the grieving going on inside gaza. indeed. thank you. we have also learned that one member of the israeli police counterterrorism unit has died from injuries during the operation. we will be monitoring the story and bring you updates throughout the evening on msnbc. we are also monitoring this out of washington, d.c. where thousands of pro-palestinian demonstrators have gathered outside the white house to protest the united states support for israel amid its war in gaza. they formed a redline around the white house blocking traffic and calling for an arms embargo against israel. white house staff had increased security around the residence and put up protective fencing. now, we put turn to disturbing developments in the presidential election. ever since donald trump s guilty verdict last week, the four times indicted president is vowing revenge in dangerous ways. this week, the presumptive republican nominee for president told us exactly what he plans to do if he gets back in the white house. i think you have so much to do, you don t have time to get even. you only have time to get right. well, revenge does take time. i will say that and sometimes revenge can be justified. reporter: in your first term you did not arrest any of your political opponents but after your conviction last week, has your approach to that changed? the world is different now so when you asked me the question would we do it, i ll talk to you in about three weeks from now. wouldn t it be terrible to throw the president s wife and the former secretary of state think of it. the president s wife into jail. it s very possible that is going to have to happen to them. speaker mike johnson is not waiting to exact revenge on trump s behalf. this week, he laid out how he plans to weaponize the houses oversight powers to go after the federal investigations into trunk. we are working on a three- pronged approach through the appropriations process, through the legislative process, through bills that we will be advancing through committees and putting on the floor for passage and also through oversight. those things will be happening vigorously because we have to do that because the stakes are too high but, as scary as that is, the new york times reports that prominent republicans in and out of government art demanding quote, that elected republicans use every available instrument of power against democrats, including targeted investigations and prosecutions. take, for instance, former trump aid, election denier and soon to be prison inmates, steve bannon, who is urging the prosecution of democrats telling the new york times quote, there are dozens of ambitious backbencher state attorneys general and district attorneys who need to seize the day and on this moment in history. and, bannon is not the only one calling for revenge. i m talking about to it for tat. you just wait and it won t be hunter biden the next time. it s going to be joe biden. it could potentially still be barack obama. it could still potentially be hillary clinton. you have to get in the game, republicans. as every house committee controlled by republicans using its subpoena power in every way it needs to right now starting every investigation they need to right now? we need some brave district attorneys in the united states to step forward and take aggressive action. incredible rogues gallery there, but you notice, there is no mention of actual crimes committed. only enemies to be targeted in a tidal wave of vengeance and retribution. as the new york times knows, quote, the intensity of anger and open desire for using the criminal justice system against democrats after the verdict surpasses anything seen before in transnational tumultuous years in national politics six. what is different now is the range of republicans saying retaliation is necessary and who are no longer cloaking their intent with euphemisms. this is why, for the sake of our democracy, we need to take all of what you just heard, the snarling threats of revenge and the actions to come, very seriously. joining me now, olivia troy, former top aide to former vice president mike pence and anthony coley, former legal affairs analyst and former senior adviser to attorney general merrick garland. thank you both very much for coming to the saturday show. i would love to get both of your reactions to trump suggesting that he s going to jail political opponents. i drama trump projects and says what he plans to do so i think we should take it very seriously but i don t think it s going to stop his political opponents. i think he means anyone who is ever crossed him. he will start with people like you in the media, people like me who have been outspoken critics and there will be actually no justification for it, exactly the point you made it the end of your opening. right now, what is the crime? what are you trying to investigate? but it doesn t matter to trump, because he will bend the rules and put enablers in place to go along with it. before you give your reaction, to what you just said, olivia, what is really scary to me is yes, he is saying all of this stuff and he will try to do all of this stuff and my fear is, i m not sure that the american people will rise up to try to stop him. that s exactly right. what you just said about putting enablers and places key. donald trump has learned one key fundamental truth about washington which is that people our policy. what we have seen here in d.c., they hire people, they surround themselves with people who share their vision and their values and thankfully and his first term, we had enough conservative republicans around him who resisted his very worst instincts, people who put their oath to the constitution, like olivia, ahead of their loyalty to him. they are not going to be that, those people, in the second term. he s going to surround himself in the white house with yes men and in the congress, just imagine if donald trump is president, he is more likely than not to have a republican majority in the congress. they are not going to do legitimate oversight. they re going to do rubberstamps and then we cannot look to the judiciary to save us. he has openly talked about eileen cannon, who i believe is deliberately slow walking this documents case. he talks about how we need more judges like her and i think your viewers have got to understand he has already appointed three justices to the supreme court. so, five of nine justices could be donald trump appointees and that should send a shiver down anyone s spine who loves our country and our constitution. yes, i m trying to remember who it was. oh, it was dan pfeiffer during a podcast interview for he made this exact point. if donald trump gets re-elected you can see thomas and one other justice, alito, retire and he would get at least two more but let s talk about speaker johnson since you invoked congress. speaker johnson, among the things he wants to do, he wants to theoretically allow trump to move state-level charges he is facing in georgia to federal court with the option to then issue a self pardon if convicted. that would totally upend the rule of law in this country. yes, and it is shameful to be someone who supported the republican party for so long to watch this, the party that used to stand for freedom, liberty, the rule of law. now we have completely flipped the script on it but that is a very serious thing in the fact that they are just openly discussing it and saying yeah, this is our plan, and it is for a pardon and they are all on board with it. it doesn t matter. this person committed a crime. there was an entire process that happened. it was a jury of his peers who decided on the conviction. these are cases going on in georgia where there are republicans testifying who are involved in this process, who saw the whole sedition happening firsthand so i think this is a disturbing on so many levels because it is the speaker of the house and he knows better. the other thing is, not for one second should anyone believe these people don t understand exactly what they are doing because they are intelligent and they know exactly calculated what the plan is. what really bothers me is the sense that these prosecutions were not deserved. this is politicization of the u.s. justice department. nothing could be further from the truth. i spent two years at the u.s. justice department. i saw the attorney general put in place people and processes to make sure that facts and law, not politics or anything else, would be the determining factor for investigations and prosecutions. you want more evidence that is what is happening now, look at the fact that right now, the u.s. justice department under joe biden is prosecuting joe biden s son. right, right. i love how joe biden s justice department is going after donald trump but they leave out that joe biden s justice department is not only going after joe biden s son, but also a prominent democratic senator. two prosecutions, so if joe biden has weaponize the justice department, he is doing it all wrong. i can t believe we just got started talking and it s all done. olivia, anthony, thank you very much for coming to the saturday show. up next, hunter biden could take the stands next week as his trial on gun charges enters its next phase. i m officially done switching. 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testifying on one s own behalf is probably the most difficult decision the defendant has to make and something that the lawyer will sit down with them and discuss the pros and cons. i think on the pro side, the defense here has been that hunter biden did not consider himself to be an addict at the time he filled out that form, that he may have been addicted before and after but that he wasn t, and the question asks, are you addicted to drugs and so if he were to testify, he could say i did not believe i was addicted to drugs at that time. that could be enough to create reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. on the other hand, when you testify, it puts into play anything that might tend to impeach your credibility, so any prior inconsistent statement, any bias that you might have, any bad things you ve ever done before come into play that would otherwise be not told to the jury, so that is a balance that the defendant really has to decide for himself based on the advice he gets from his lawyer. and barbara, if hunter decides not to testify, where does that leave his defense? it could be that they are done, and i think it leaves that were most cases really end, which is arguing that the prosecution has not prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt so i think what the defense would argue is that although they don t really contest what happened, that yes, he did buy this gun, all the facts that happened, that he was using drugs and all the dates that have been introduced, he did not believe himself to be an addict at that time. proving a defendant s intent and knowledge and mind-set is always the hardest thing for a prosecutor, because you can t read another person s mind is so much of the testimony has been that you know, you didn t see him on that day. you didn t know if he was using on that day. there certainly has been testimony that he was using right up around that day so it requires a little bit of circumstantial evidence for the jury to find guilt beyond a reasonable doubt but it seems like there is plenty of evidence there from which they could draw that inference. let s turn to donald trump s criminal convention. the judge sent a letter to both sides yesterday about a social media, reporting to preview the guilty verdict. how seriously do you take this potential claim of a jury week? not at all. it is interesting. many courts have these, which are unmoderated message boards where people can comment. they were set up with the idea that you could engage in good public discourse but of course there are all kinds of people out there who engage in mischief and worse, so this person has said oh, my cousin says a verdict is coming. i think the judge here, out of an abundance of caution, wanted to be up front with it and not try to hide it. certainly there would be people out there who would point to this as some sort of conspiracy that the fix was in, and so the judge has disclosed this to the parties so that if they want to explore this, they may do so. manhattan district attorney alvin bragg told the house judiciary committee he will come testify about the case but not until after trump s sentencing. should brag actually show up? would he be walking into a show trial whose sole purpose is to discredit him and his successful prosecution of the case? yes. i really worry about this idea of the accusations of the weaponization of criminal charges. donald trump that due process every step of the way in this case and i worry that there is a real separation of powers issue here to try to probe into the mind-set of what prosecutors are thinking when they bring a case, so that is a risk. certainly there is oversight that exists when there are federal prosecutors but there really isn t that kind of oversight over state court prosecutors. there could be [ inaudible ] to the extent that alvin bragg s office accepts federal funds so the thing to do would be going after this case is over. all right, we re going to have to leave it there. thank you, as always, for coming to the saturday show. up next, brace yourself. with three weeks left in the supreme court session, there are several decisions to be handed down that will be consequential, even life- changing for americans, from donald trump s immunity claims, reproductive rights and more. hi honey. ahhh.ooh. look, no line at the hot dog stand. yes! only pay for what you need. liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. if you spit blood when you brush, it could be the start of a domino effect. new parodontax active gum repair breath freshener. clinically proven to help reverse the four signs of early gum disease. a new toothpaste from parodontax, the gum experts. nothing dims my light like a migraine. with nurtec odt, i found relief. the only migraine medication that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. don t take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. it s time we all shine. talk to a healthcare provider about nurtec odt from pfizer. 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of the two abortion cases, that s the one i m most optimistic about. i think that they will leave it alone? that s correct. almost half of all abortions in the u.s. are performed with mifepristone and if they accept the lower coats reasoning to bennett so many other drugs would be banned. these guys don t like abortion but they don t want to ban antibiotics. that s the good news on abortion there. thank you for the help. don t worry, i ll spoil it in just a second. exactly the next one is whether federal law regulating hospitals trumps abortion bans when it comes to performing emergency abortions. i m worried about this case. there is a federal law that does not refer specifically to abortions but it says that if you go to an emergency room and you have a medical emergency they have to stabilize your health condition so if the appropriate treatment is on abortion, the law right now says you have a right to an abortion. i think based on the oral argument, they are likely to write that out of the statute or at least put some kind of limits on it so that people who need life-saving or health saving abortions will be able to get them anymore. now, here is the case that i don t think a lot of people even know about, and this is euphemistically known as the> case and this is whether to overturn the landmark supreme court ruling in the case that gave federal agencies leeway to interpret the law. sounds very dry, but explain why this case, to your mind, is the most important case decision. this is most hypertechnical but also the most important. there are scads of federal laws that delegate power to a federal agency. everything from how mac how much emissions come from power plants to who gets overtime pay is controlled by federal agencies. chevron is a case from the reagan era that said courts should generally let agencies do what they need to do and defer to them. what the court is likely to do here is essentially give itself a veto power over everything the agencies do, so it s not just at the huge transfer of power and a huge transfer of power from the democratic biden administration to a supreme court that has a 6-3 republican majority. to your point about regulating antibiotics, that would give them purview over the fda, right? potentially. the fda has its own statute, which is different than the regulatory regime that concerned chevron but what we seen from the supreme court overall, they ve been making up all these things with names like the major questions doctrine that lets them interfere with agency so. in the u.s. versus rohini case allowing domestic abusers to have access to firearms, will the supreme court make that happen, let that happen? i think they realize they screwed up. they handed down a big program decision that led to this decision. i think they re going to have to walk it back. you ve given us hope on two cases. thanks for coming to the show. still to come, president biden delivers a powerful speech in defense of democracy as he commemorates 80 years since americans landed on french shores to defeat the forces trying to destroy it. my political panel joins me next to talk about the message, and more. more. hello. my smile is back on point. easy. shingles. some describe it as an intense burning sensation. or an unbearable itch. this painful blistering rash could also disrupt your work and time with family. shingles could also lead to long term, debilitating nerve pain that can last for months or even years. if you re over 50, the virus that causes shingles is likely already inside of you. 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someone to say yes, and someone to not detract from his ticket or in the case of bergen, someone who could write a really big check to support tom s campaign and what bergen has going for him as we could go all the way to november for the nation knows who this guy is. maybe he is a very nice guy. we saw him try to be somewhat reasonable during the primary. we know he has high marks as governor but donald trump is looking for somebody to fall in line. marco rubio has long been my dark house horse. he s now moved up. he s in the final four because he played the politics of donald trump right. he didn t relitigate his flip- flop for the past eight years, he just flopped. he reminds nikki haley voters that there are people like nikki haley still supporting donald trump but the vice president is not going to change. the vice presidential nominee is not going to change donald trump s behavior nor the parties platform. what the country should hope for is somebody capable of governing should donald trump end up not being able to serve. so, alencia, of those four people , who do you think he s going to pick? it s a crap shoot however, i think he might pick someone like tim scott given that it gets diversity on the ticket. in air quotes. they ve been trying to run black candidates in certain areas. republicans are trying to get away from being called the party full of white supremacists and racists, so tim scott falls in line and he happens to be a black man. maybe. i heard there s an awesome new book written by jonathan capehart that s about to drop. the wager will be the new k part book that it s not tim scott. well, that looks not coming out until later in the year, knock on wood. am excited about it. thank you very much. that s very nice of you. in the few seconds we have lester left, i will say the one thing we know about donald trump as he is biggest on appearances. he gave somebody the department of defense secretary job because he looked the part and so of those four characters we saw before, governor bergen looks the part to donald trump s mind, that is. in the time i spent in his head. former congressman david jolly, alencia johnson thank you both very much for coming to the saturday show. up next, the trump campaign is making a big play for black voters but given the former president s rhetoric and disrespect for topline officials, i m not buying it. charles coleman junior joins me after the break to discuss. jo after the break to discuss. good to go off the grid. good to go nonstop. with cabenuva, there s no pausing for daily hiv pills. for adults who are undetectable, cabenuva is the only complete, long-acting hiv treatment you can get every other month. it s two injections from a healthcare provider. just 6 times a year. don t receive cabenuva if you re allergic to its ingredients or if you re taking certain medicines which may interact with cabenuva. serious side effects include allergic reactions, post-injection reactions, liver problems, and depression. if you have a rash and other allergic reaction symptoms, stop cabenuva and get medical help right away. tell your doctor if you have liver or kidney problems, mental health concerns, and if you are pregnant, breastfeeding or considering pregnancy. some of the most common side effects include injection-site reactions, fever, and tiredness. with cabenuva, you re good to go. ask your doctor about switching. i told myself i was ok with my moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis symptoms. with my psoriatic arthritis symptoms. but just ok isn t ok. and i was done settling. if you still have symptoms after a tnf blocker like humira or enbrel, rinvoq is different and may help. rinvoq is a once-daily pill that can rapidly relieve joint pain, stiffness, and swelling in ra and psa. relieve fatigue. and stop further joint damage. and in psa, can leave skin clear or almost clear. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin; heart attack, stroke, and gi tears occurred. people 50 and older with a heart disease risk factor have an increased risk of death. serious allergic reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. done settling? 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n word. the spokesperson from the trump campaign has denied the story calling it completely fabricated but trumps disrespect for black men was evident when president obama was in the white house. trump actively undermined obama s legitimacy by promoting the racist brother lie that he was not born in hawaii, but can you. now, he s doing it to quentin foltz and michael tyler and i m here to call it out. don t ask for our votes in one breath then denigrate someone who looks like us in the next. but, let s be real. this is not about getting our votes. it s about setting up a permission structure for white voters to cast a ballot for him. after all, how can he be racist if he s asking for their vote, right? wrong. joining me now, msnbc legal analyst charles coleman junior, civil rights attorney and host of the charles coleman podcast. charles, i wanted you to be with me in the segment specifically because of that pin you where every day and every show. what does that pin say? yes, this is my black brilliance pen and i m so glad you asked about because for me as a black man who is a professional who walks in different spaces that in many cases, i find myself being the only one of many. i am someone who understands the importance of affirming myself and my brilliance because as is the case with quentin and michael, i can expect that even as i have done the work, even as i have gotten the title, is an as we have ascended through the ranks that other people are going to affirm it as well so it s a soft affirmation and an affirmation for people like you, as well, who find themselves trying to make their way in worlds that are often not friendly to us. what you say to that question saying how could donald trump be racist, you know, if he s going for their votes? why is that that s not good enough. this is a very nuanced question because i think what people have to understand when they re talking about black men and their voting patterns, particularly as it relates to the selection, the biden campaign is battling two major campaigns. the first one is misinformation. there are a lot of voters who are misinformed or underinformed about the progress that administration has made on their accomplishments and in some cases, they ve been told wrong information. the other thing they are battling, is regardless what it is you re saying, people are going to vote how they feel and that s why it s even more important that outreach occur on a proactive level. if you are talking about, for example, a record low and unemployment of black men but that low is still higher than the national average and higher than other white men, then it still feels like your last. it looks do we have charles? let me buffer for a second. there you go. real quick, finish the last part of your answer, charles. what i was saying is that it is something the biden campaign has to be aware of, regardless of the notion of racism in terms of how donald trump tries to siphon off voters from a pretty solid democratic block. that is an important point people have to understand. people are going to vote how they feel more than anything else. and i hope people feel that they should not vote for somebody who says vote for me, well you know, around the corner is denigrating people who look just like them because you are setting yourself up for failure. charles coleman junior, thank you very much. sorry the conversation was so quick. i hope to see you soon. or of the saturday show on msnbc after a break. msnbc after a break. 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Private, and just ask them, did you speak with anybody? do you have a cousin named michael anderson and see how they answer? you never know what s going to shake out. there are juror issues in high-profile cases all the time. and that was the name of the person. but when you actually look at this person one, they self-professed to be an online internet troll. they ve made this comment claiming to be a juror and that they knew what the outcome of the trial was going to be multiple other times that we could find. and so i mean, it doesn t seem realistic in any way, shape, or form. and is there? i understood what you re saying, what the judge wanting to be sure that he had it out there, but is there any danger and putting it out there because you see how republicans are now saying, oh, there should be a mistrial, are going to go right back to what i ve been excuse me saying about judge mission from the from the beginning, his job isn t to think about how the public might perceive it, what the political implications are. his job is to be a judge. and part of his job of being a judge s to seeing that this defendants rights are
We often talk about the ideals of life, liberty, pursuit of happiness. but we don t talk about how hard it is, how many ways we are asked to walk away, how many instincts there are two walk away. the most natural instinct is to walk away. he is not walking away. but does joe biden know what it means to defend democracy? he certainly does not know that we are not a democracy, we are a republic. our founders rejected democracy and give us a constitutional republic. but i digress. and joe does not even know it is friday. so understanding a distinction like that is just asking too much. biden s idea of defending democracy is locking up his political opponent. how important do you think this conviction should be in this race for president? that is for the public to decide. one thing for certain is to stop undermining the rule of law.