what is good to talk about in politics. what is good for politics and not, here s an interesting one, donald trump now wondering aloud about taylor swift is apparently coming from an excerpt from a forthcoming book about his work with with the producer of the apprentice. a conversation that took place as in november 2023, trump saying this about taylor swift. i think she s a liberal. she probably doesn t like trump, but she is liberal or is that just an act he asks, she she s legitimately liberal. it s not an act, it surprises me that a country star can be, can be successful, being liberal trump said before the author noted that s with crossover to pop music years ago, the crossover, she, she can, she can do whatever she wants. i would say is it good for politics to take on taylor swift i mean, this is this just goes into that bucket of weird and strange that we are seeing pop up almost every single day in this campaign. kate. but again, i think the more than donald trump focuses and n is obsessed with somebody like taylor swift, the better it is for democrats because i think we do know that she s liberal. we do know that she probably will not vote for donald trump and she may even come out in and endorsed joe biden and kamala harris and the democrats before the november election, which i think would be the republicans and donald trump s biggest nightmare. and that s probably why he s injecting this question mark into this election for whatever reason, he might think helps him. but again, this just goes into the weirdness of what this campaign is. and it gives us the opportunity to talk about the weirdness of donald trump. and again, that does nothing to take away from his base but we know that his base will probably never leave him no matter what. but it does go into that category of moderates and common sense republicans that are going to think, wow, this man to just there s something not right up there this man is not fit for office the biggest night for your nightmare for republicans and donald trump taylor swift, you heard it here. it s good to see you guys. thank you so much the next hours in a new central starts now a verdict could come this morning very shortly. the jury and the hunter biden s gun trial resumes deliberations. the murder rate in the us could be headed to its largest annual decline ever big drops in crime across the board. what the new data tells us, and the bombshells secret supreme court tapes chief justice john roberts samuel alito samuel alito s wife, the one with the flag s. she even talks about flags sara is out today. i m john berman with kate bolduan in this this cnn new set standing by for another historic verdict, very soon to 12 men and women weighing hunter biden s fate will resume deliberations after meeting for just over an hour? yes. but i and any minute we could see the president s son for the first time. today walking into the courthouse that is where he s expected to have to wait or nearby as the jurors decide whether to convict get him on three felony charges related to a 2018 gun purchase. hunter biden faces up to 25 years in prison if he is convicted on all three counts, it is however unlikely. we re told that he would serve that kind of jail time still standing by to standby to here exactly what this jury decides. cnn s marshall cohen outside the court four just once again, how is jury deliberations going to look this morning okay. good morning. it s 8:00 now. and the jury is expected back in one hour, 9:00 a.m. they got one hour of deliberations in the books yesterday before breaking through the night. and they will resume this morning. now, the judge who has been overseeing this case she doesn t feel the need to bring the jurors into the actual courtroom at nine and wish them a good morning. they can go straight to the jury box and once they are all here here today, they can resume those deliberations on the three felony charges that hunter biden is facing for allegedly purchasing and possessing a gun while addicted to it is illegal drugs. now, i should note that, yes, there are three top line charges here, but underneath each one of those counts are a series of elements of each crime that the jurors need to deliberate and degree on unanimously for each element of each crime that s in this indictment. look, you mentioned it he is convicted on all three charges he could face prison time up to 25 years. that seems highly unlikely though, given the fact that he is a first-time offender. but as we sit here, for and wait for the verdict, the fate of the president s son is in the hands of those 12 jurors from delaware six men and six women. there ll be back in about one hour to finish up marshall, we ve seen the first lady going into court. we know that a hunter biden s other members of hunter biden s family have also been in the courtroom as any family does. and can to show their support for him. but that became part of the prosecutor s closing argument. why? yeah. it is, of course, common for defendants to have the support of their family it s pretty rare for those family members to have their own secret service agents following their every move. but they really beefed up the presence yesterday for the closing arguments. obviously, there was the first lady, jill biden president biden s sister, valerie, was their president biden s brother, james hunters, younger sister, ashley, they were all there in the pews. and the prosecutors noticed one of the very first things okay that the special counsel, prosecutor leo wise, said in his closing arguments to the jury, was that they may recognize some faces in the gallery from the news. they america may recognize some of those vips from the community here in wilmington. but respectfully, none of that matters. that s what he s said. none of that matters. he wants them to focus on the evidence, which in the view of the prosecution is overwhelming. kate, jury begins liberation very soon. marcia, thank you. john wright with us now cnn senior data reporter, harry and harry were talking about the hunter biden trial what does the data show about what people think about this trial? well, in terms of how hunter biden has been treated. yeah. you know, there s this real thing. what hunter biden even be on trial if he wasn t the president s son, there are a lot of folks who are on hunter biden signed are and joe biden cited say they wouldn t even be brought. that s not necessarily the case. all right. according to the public legal systems treatment of hunter bye. now, this was after the criminal indictments of them, but before this most recent trial, look at is 66% set of americans say that the legal system, treatment of hunter biden has been fair. in fact according to the polling, if anything, they think it s been not harsh enough on him. just 27% of americans think that the legal system has been unfair. so the fact is, most americans have no problem with hunter biden being on trial. his favorite bility ratings are quite low and it s something thank when you look at the polling, why the white house i think is genuinely worried because he s definitely in their minds potentially a liability for me, at least outside of joe biden and think that, well, the important thing to remember is that it s hunter biden? correct. who is on trial here, not president joe biden, but there is some data in terms of what the public thinks about the president in how he views are is i guess connected to his son. yeah. you know, sort of my leading question here. all right. hunter biden s legal troubles and joe biden, hunter hunters troubles are related to joe 46% related to juror, correct? i m related to job. thank you. 46% say that is believable that they were unrelated to joe. that is the plurality believe it is unrelated to joe biden, just 37% of americans believe that is not believe well, that s a good number for joe biden. how about this joe biden is a good dad by supporting his son, the clear majority, 54% say that that is believable, and this is, i think the polling that joe biden sort of two, is listening to saying, you know, what first off, i don t necessarily care about the public, but secondly, i think the public thinks i d be a pretty good dad by supporting his son. yeah, he may not be looking at the polling all at all when it comes to his public statements about this trial or his son, he may just being a dead dead. what is the potential impact on the left? yeah. a very probably not much at all because the clear majority of folks believed that hunter biden s illegal troubles. they have no impact on their vote. yes, there s this 23% who say they re less likely to vote for joe biden. but you know who that is, 23% are there republicans who weren t going to vote for joe biden anyway? or 4%. therefore, who say it s more likely to vote for joe biden, but you can get for free percent of americans to basically say hard to see the logic there. all right, harriet and great to see you much some police in china have now arrested a man. they say stabbed for americans in broad daylight video appears to show the victims on the ground clearly bloodied and chinese tourist was also interviewed that video though not seen on social media in china as it was swiftly censored after being published. the four americans injured are instructors from cornell college in cornell college in iowa, who were in northeast china as part of an exchange program, officials say they are all in stable condition, but it s unclear what motivated this attack seen as marc stewart is in the city where this attack happened, joining us now, what are you learning about this arrest mark ross has been made. kate police confirmed it just a short time ago. this is a 55-year-old mad and according greene to police, he said he was walking when he bumped into this group of four americans. these for educators. and then somehow this stabbing took place that injured all four of them, as well as a chinese tourists who stepped into you re being. we just got back from the actual stabbing side. it s about 15 hike from where we are now and when we arrived, there was basically no evidence that anything ever happened. look like some of the blood on the ground had been washed away a contrast to what we saw yesterday when we sell these people on the ground, bloody, clearly, a need of help. i should point out that this park is very similar to a park you would see in any suburb in the united states. we ve been here for just a few hours. there are hiking trails. there is a train, there is a temple, there is no reason, but it s a feel safe here. so obviously, a lot part of holes in the story. the blanks needs to be filled in. let s also look at the backdrop in china right now, there is certainly arise in nationalism something that i hear in conversations with people that i have here in china. it s also apparent on social media, yet at the same time, we have chinese president xi jinping very anxious to welcome american students here as part of study abroad programs. in fact, when he was in the united states last fall, he mentioned bringing as many as 50,000 americans and just last week even made a personal reach out to an institution in the united states to have this kind of exchange. so it will be interesting to see if this incident has any kind of damper on things and finally, kate, you alluded to this at the beginning. no one here knew about what happened. for a good 48 hours as soon as this happened, social media posts were scrubbed. it wasn t until we heard from officials and iowa that this came to surface. in fact, just a few minutes ago, there were a group of people gathered around, someone cell phone trying to get the latest information that is the environment, the surveillance state ms fear often that we see here in china, kate marc stewart. thank you so much for your legs reporting work. john wright, new statements this morning and the prospects of a ceasefire 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netanyahu, blinken, telling reporters that there is a consensus among netanyahu and other leaders to move forward on a proposed ceasefire deal that was just approved by the un security council. cnn s oren liebermann is in tel aviv. how much consensus really is there that where do things stand okay. this appears to be more positive position than we ve seen in quite some time now, when it comes to the efforts to reach a ceasefire and a hostage release between israel and hamas. secretary if they d anthony blinken making a whirlwind trip through the region, first, he was in egypt at the start of the week than a series of meetings with israeli leaders, the prime minister, the defense minister, the opposition leader the member of the war cabinet, who just resigned. and now he s in jordan and then we ll be going to cut her. so a lot of the key players needed to get not only the israelis on board and the biden administration is clearly confident that they have the israelis agreeing to the ceasefire proposal. but now to try to push hamas to agree to the ceasefire proposal that s on the table. there have been some positive noises coming from hamas, both in reaction to the un security council resolution calling for a permanent ceasefire, end to the proposal on the table. the question of course, is in the details and that remains to be seen because the process has fallen apart repeatedly on the details in the past, sill, blinken knows who he has to convince here and that s the head of hamas s military in gaza, the most powerful person in the organization, right now, yahya sinwar, he was a blinken said a short time ago there are those who have influenced, but influences one thing actually getting a decision made is the another thing i don t think anyone other than the hamas leadership in gaza actually are the ones who can make make decisions that s what we re waiting now, the wall street journal was able to view messages written by yahya sinwar over the course of the negotiations and from the start of the war, and they give an interesting insight into his mindset and his person spective in one of these messages, the wall street journal viewed which cnn cannot verify sinwar says, we have the israelis, right where we want them. sinwar sit in a recent message two hamas officials i think the broker an agreement with qatari and egyptian officials on the big picture perspective on how many pills to palestinians have been killed here it is clear from these alleged messages that sinwar views this as something almost necessary to push forward the palestinian national cause. here s another quote from the wall street journal. in one message to hamas leaders in doha, sinwar cited civilian losses in national liberation conflicts in places such as algeria, where hundreds of thousands of people died fighting for independence from france, saying these are necessary sacrifices. it s that mindset that blinken is trying to work towards agreeing to a ceasefire here. it s a key question. again, kate, we appear to be closer than we ve been in quite some time now. and yet doesn t mean the process is over or complete at all. absolutely great reporting as always. thank you so much. john wright joining us now is aveyron my year the uncle of former hostage almog my ear, who was rescued over the weekend, sir. thank you so much for being with us while we have you. just give us an update that was elmo doing this morning at a mortgage generally. okay and these drawing to digest what happened with him in the last eight months. and specifically in the last three days you said when he was first released, what he wanted most was a hug and ayesha warmer. how many hugs and chihuahuas has he had now over the last four days? lots of hogs, one shawwa bma but later that day, that s a good ratio. i ll take that ratio any day. what have you learned? what has he told you about his captivity we haven t had the opportunity to talk quietly together. but generally, in the last six months is spent time with two other hostages in the same place. within re kozlov and shlomi ziv and at that time, they were like a team. they are very good friends. they have their own nicknames. they have their own terminology there were lots of time together and they really, really love one each other i heard no daylight kept in the dark for months. what can you tell us about that? i didn t understand. i question, please. one of the things i heard you say is that he was kept inside with no daylight more or less in the dark for four months yes. it s right there in the last six months, this is what i know. i don t know what happened in the first two months but in the last six months, the evan been allowed to leave the apartment. so they saw sound from the windows, but not the gimmick go out what gave him hope while he was in captivity, while he was being held prisoner, hostage what i can tell you is that they were together and the empowered one each other all the time. and its friends where where is back? and e were their back and they supported one each other i can tell you that in the 11th of may is so television in al jazeera? and he saw the forum, the family four room in tel aviv rally and he saw a picture of the game in that rally so we understood that is not forgotten and people are thinking about him. but more than that, it didn t know too much your nephew has now been rescued, but there are many others who are still being held hostage. what do you want to see from the israeli government? what do you want benjamin netanyahu to do? in our personal family the circle is closed and the log is here. and we are very happy. but there are still 120 families who is looking for their deer s and what we want newtoni all to do is to bring them by an agreement because we understand that operations like maga have been rescued, won t bring one other than 20 others so we want to press all the governments for the hamas and on the israeli government to sign this deal and to take out all the other hostages. back home. i have to tell you the joy of the people of israel when they saw four oxygens came back, it was incredible. the joy is enormous and if, if the people of israel will see wondering people of a 120 other hostages that will come back home. it will be a tikkun, will be fixing israel will do anything to do everything. right? it will be lots of energy for us if they re just come back around my air, please, to your nephew, were all mog more hogs and many many more sju armas. thank you so much. and we are so happy for you and your family. appreciate you being with us secret recordings of supreme court justices, even a secret recording of justice alito s wife, what happened and what alito s wife is? now saying about flying more flags at her home and there are signs of some growing support for robert kennedy jr. even in states where he s still struggling, even get on the ballot the most anticipated moment of this lecture and the stakes couldn t 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dinner the recording comes in the wake of the controversial flags being flown at alito s properties. and this is what martha alito had to say about that i want sacred garden cheeses because i had to look cross the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. exactly. who s like, oh, please don t put up a flag. i can i won t do it because i m deferring to you. but when you are free of this nonsense i m putting it up and i m going to send them message every day now, cnn has not obtained the full form of these recordings. we have also reached out to the supreme court for comment. cnn s senior supreme court analyst, joan biskupic, is with us martha alito talking about flags on tape yes. john, good to see you. and martha ends common certainly were provocative given the controversy over the flags that had flown at the alito home that appeared connected to the january 6, rioters and the stop the steal movement. but i want to focus on justice. alito and what he said at this event and also how much it echoes were justice alito has been on religion just as a leader who has acted as if religion is under siege, he s, he s said that in public comments before. he said that in his written opinions and john, let s take a listen now to what justice alito said this woman as she was surreptitiously recording him at the event last week one side or the other there can be a way of workout, way of living together, please it s different because there are differences. one fundamental things is it really can t. it s not like you re going to see what the difference yeah, john. so again, just a little context on justice alito. remember he was the one who authored the dobbs ruling two years ago that reversed all constitutional rights to abortion. he has been very outspoken. against, especially any kind of protection for lgbtq rights. he s been against gay marriage. he has been very strong on issues that have a lot of, as i said religious themes so that s the context here. and then after after he wrote the dobbs opinion, he even said in a speech at rome that religious liberty is under attack from people everywhere and especially people in power, which is somewhat ironic since he is in power, but he he did not respond to any of our requests for comment last night, but the supreme court historical society did. and let me just read what jim duff, who is head of the historical society, said. we condemn the surreptitious recording of justice s at the event, which is inconsistent with the entire spirit of the evening attendees are advised that discussion of current cases, cases decided by current sitting justices, or a justices jurisprudence is strictly prohibited and may result in forfeiture of membership in the society. but for us, john, for those of us who live in america under the rulings of the supreme court. what s important here is do know that this month the justices are about to issue rulings and so many important opinions. and we ll need to we want to see how justice 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the first three three months of this year, murders are down 26% reported rapes decreased by nearly 26% aggravated assault is down. robberies or down, you look at property crimes, the same trend their burgers have dropped nearly 17%. motor vehicle thefts have decreased about 17%. so across the board and regions across the united how did it states they re seeing these drops based on this initial data i particularly want it focused in on murders. now, there s a caveat, obviously, this prelim preliminary, the year isn t up yet, but murder right now is down by 80% in places like boston, over 40% in cities like new orleans seattle, baltimore, and fill it dell fea, murder spiked about 30% during the pandemic, but then started to fall. i ve been talking with crime data analysts who say that if these numbers now hold, we could see a potential historic drop here throughout the rest of this year. so as we look at this trend some, obviously some promising data when you look at prime across the country, john, look this is the type of data that i imagine everyone, all of the evidence that we have so far is showing a basically a double decline relative to what it was last year at this point, last year, it was down about ten or 11%. now we re talking 19 or 20%. it s plausible that this will be by far the largest one-year decline in american history. so obviously one of the analysts, we were speaking with, and as you were saying they re john, i mean, we often focused on a lot of different facts and figures in life. nothing more personal than when we re talking about crime, whether it s crime that s impacting us, whether it s crime that is impacting members of our community. of course, we are hearing from people like the attorney general who are now speaking out touting these numbers the attorney general saying yesterday in a statement that this continued historic decline in homicides does not represent abstract statistics. it represents people whose lives were saved, people who are still here to see their children grow up to work toward fulfilling their dreams and to contribute to their communities unities. we also heard the president come out with similar statements. of course, this is a topic that can always be improved when we talk about crime. and so this is not certainly not something to celebrate when there was work to be done, but when you look at that trend, particularly after the pandemic, when we saw so much violence is certainly moving in the right direction. and this is the type of trend that we ve all been waiting for, you good to hear, good to see you. josh campbell. thank you very much for that democratic senator bob menendez will soon be returning to court where he is facing federal bribery charges. the prosecution s star witness will also then be back on the stand, which is new jersey businessman jose uribe. he delivered testimony yesterday about the senator, seen as jason carroll, following all of this, he s outside of the court. what s going to happen today? jason well, i think we re expected to hear more of what we heard yesterday, except the only difference is this time the defense gets its chance to question jose uribe yesterday. he provided a lot of detailed information about conversations he said he had with senator menendez directly related to bribery. now remember you rebate as someone who wanted these criminal investigations in new jersey to go away? because they could have implicated people who he was very close to. he knew nadine menendez, he knew she needed a brand new car. and so he says he gave her $15,000 to buy a brand new mercedes in exchange for the senator s influence. he talked about a dinner, for example, august 2019 where he says, i get to ask him, him, meaning senator menendez, for the first time? explain what is worrying me so much. i asked him if there s anything in his power that he can do to stop these investigations. he says menendez answered he would look into it then september of 2019 he says he was at nadine menendez home. he says he wrote down the names of the people in question relate get to that investigation. he says he put it on a piece of paper, senator menendez folded it up and put it in his pocket. then october 29, 2019, he says he got a call all from senator menendez, and basically he told jurors that he felt as though that the situation had been settled and he choked up when he s talked about this, when he testified because he felt like it was all over finally, then at a dinner, kate and 2020, he says menendez told him, i saved your twice not one but twice now senator menendez, for his part, has pleaded not guilty. he says there were no ghraieb that took place here. he says he was simply acting on behalf of his concern so his attorneys get a chance to cross-examine jose uribe later this morning good to see you, jason. thank you so much john alright. new evidence that independent presidential candidate robert f. kennedy jr. is enjoying significant support in one crucial state cnn s even makin reports from wisconsin on a 17 acre tree farm in sackville, wisconsin, dells stand braunton rides around the land with hope. the 2024 election will bring monumental change, shreve in 2020, i voted for trump, but now he says, the former president sounds like a broken record. it s all about the election was rigged and the court system is re this year, the wedding venue owner who plans to eventually transform his property into a wellness retreat is all in for independent presidential candidate robert f. kennedy jr. bobby s the first candidate who i ve actually felt good about. i think a lot of people are very frustrated with voting for the lesser of two evils. is that how you view the major party candidates? yeah, absolutely a self-described conservative, independent stan braunton shares kennedy s vaccine skepticism and learned of him through kennedy s work with the anti-vaccine group, children s health defense the 62-year-old typically votes for republicans, but he s attracted to kennedy s anti-establishment message, ending the form was the financial corrupt sure within our government agencies in the fact that we can t trust our government agencies to do their jobs because they ve been hijacked by corporate interests. you don t think are government agencies can be trusted know why? because they re bought and paid for. i found a video rfk hey, junior on youtube, recent college grad katie zimmerman voted for president joe biden in 2020. but now she spends her saturday mornings tabling at farmers markets like this one in wahba tomasa for the kennedy campaign he s coming to all voters and saying like, if you vote for me, like you ll be able to afford buy a house. first is i haven t necessarily heard if biden say things like that, that appeal to me. if ultimately trump gets reelected how would you feel about that? i would not feel really great about that if he was elected into office, but i i wouldn t necessarily feel any guilt because i was able to have a choice and who i wanted to vote for dog denticola is a long democrat who never thought he would find himself lobbying trump s supporters. to switched to kennedy. what do you think this has go to 24. go watch when he s going to do you haven t even given him a chance, because he doesn t ever what chance anyway, is it hard to convince trump s supporters to vote for kennedy? yeah, i actually just appreciate that he was willing to stop and talk to me, fed up with political polarization, denticola thinks kennedy can bring americans together and isn t worried about him taking votes from biden or trump i person like bobby kennedy, who is really a message of unity, a message for all people i think that s why he s going to actually pull a lot of voters in both sides back on deal s farm. i shared desire for unity to address a deeply divided country. if we don t make some changes and find somebody who has played up solutions and somebody who we can trust who wants to bring us together we re going to be in a world of hurt and john kennedy s coalition of voters. they really span the political spectrum. polling data indicates the largest contingent could actually be those who didn t support either candidate in 2020. so he s bringing new voters into the fold. a lot of his support also comes from so-called double-haters. those holding an unfavorable view of both biden and trump, john, or even again, for us, fresh back from a trip to wisconsin, eva great to see you. thank you. so female helps people in communities pick up the pieces after disaster strikes. but now the federal agency is facing a disaster of its own. the new warning that theme is disaster relief fund could run out of money by the end of summer. and a driver was trapped at the bottom of a ravine the length his own dog went to save him devastating and sudden power of tsunamis. it happened in faraway lands and it s easy the to think it can t happen here if one hits home, will we be ready? 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supply customers experience is personalized service made possible by t-mobile for business with t-mobile s reliable 5g business, internet for he s get the information they need instant. i can feel the wind the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn t be higher. the president and the former president s, once moderated by jake tapper and dana bash, the cnn presidential debate thursday, june 27th, nine live on cnn and streaming on max. and rafael romo, the georgia state capitol in atlanta. this is cnn so new this morning a panel of independent advisers to the fda gave their approval to eli lilly s experimental alzheimer s drug is still has to get full approval from the agency, but it has a lot of people excited. our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta is year. what are we talking about here? sanjay? good morning, john yeah, potentially a big deal here there are no drugs to cure or to prevent alzheimer. so what we re talking about here are medications that can slow the progression of symptoms once they start. and if this gets approved this would now be the second drug that could do that sort of thing. as you know, john, the fda advisory committee that s an independent committee. they make their recommendations. they recommended this be approved. the fda usually follows her guidance, not always, but this is certainly a good sign and that approval could come by the end of the year so for this particular study, they looked at 1,700 people, just over 1,700 people between the ages of 6085 and these were people who had mild cognitive impairment. so this was early part of their diagnosis, early part of their disease and they gave them this drug and what they found was that over time, over 76 weeks that about a 29% reduction in cognitive decline. so they got worse, more slowly. it s not that they reverse the disease. it s not that they stalled the disease. they got worse more slowly, about 29%. so that is the big number in terms of benefit. the committee was paying attention to. on the flip side of that, let me tell you quickly, john, is the risks there are risks of these drugs specifically something known as aria, which stands for amyloid related imaging abnormality. you don t need to remember that, but basically it s these bleeds that can occur in the brain in response to the drug and what they found was about 37% of the people who are getting the medication compared to placebo, 14% did have evidence of these, these changes in the brain related to the amyloid. three people did die as well in that trial. so that was something that committee looked at very, very closely and still determined that the benefits outweigh the risks. john sanjay two very important questions. number one, how do you say the drugs named? because i can t make it out. i can t make sense of that in number two, how exactly does this one work yeah so the nonna mab and mab, which you hear at the end of a lot of these drugs, stands for monoclonal antibody. the other drug that i was talking about, lecanemab also a monoclonal antibody and a lot of people know monoclonal antibodies. they learned about them during the pandemic. but you re essentially giving the antibodies as part of the drug let me show you this quick animation of how it works. you know, amyloid is this protein plaque that builds up in the brain. when you give these medications, it can basically disrupt some of the building blocks of those plaques not allowing them to form as well or clearing them after they ve already formed so that s that s basically how these monoclonal antibody drugs work. and again, this might be the second one. what i tell you one interesting thing about this, this trial the ilo liliya suggesting that they follow the amount of amyloid that people have in their brain. and if the amyloid clears they suggest that maybe just stopping the drug it s a monthly infusion. but they say if the amyloid has gone no need to continue taking the drug when you typically think of the drugs, you think of them as lifelong for the rest of your life. maybe not the case here we ll see how the fda weighs in on that the nonna map sounds like sesame street phenomena to me, which is how i ll remember from now on how many people are we talking about that this could benefit hard to remember yeah. so you got about in the country, got about 6 million people who have alzheimer disease carry the diagnosis, but about 1 million who fall into that early stage category. again, keep in mind someone goes in there now developing early symptoms, sometimes hard to diagnose but potentially 1 million people taking the medication, right now. that is the population. will see in the future if some of these medications get approved for people who are further along in their diagnosis while got moderate or severe now so many people take any any promising news when it comes to all timers. they wanted, they take it so seriously, dr. sanjay gupta, thanks so much for being with us. appreciate it. and this does then the official portrait of king charles has now been vandalized and there s video of it seen as max foster spring. i m in from london. max, what has happened? what is this? well, is a pressure group and they are against cruelty on farms so this is the very famous painting, of course it was famous because lots of people didn t like it, but lots of people did like it. is charles his first official portrait as king these, activists came along making the point that king charles is patron of the rspca, as it s called an animal welfare organization and they have a short farms scheme and the activists say, those farms still are cruel to animals. some of them, so they want to get rid of this assured scheme. so they re basically animal rights activists accusing the king of being hypocritical overseeing an organization which isn t protecting animal rights. so they created this cartoon characters all right, just saying this cruelty on farms. and they use the british characters cartoon characters, wallace and gromit for that. so it s making lots of headlines this is the picture kate you ll remember it. lots of people describing it as some sort of hellscape or him bathing in blood. but it s become a very famous photo. it s become a really big thing on social media. so they re getting lots of attention for it. also. i mean, it is a bit an official portion of the case. i mean, there are people in this group gonna get in trouble from it for this. i mean, let s i think so because from what we can tell, there isn t glass along the front of it either, but it does look as though no paint was used, there s certainly some glue that was used. i think it s certainly going to be seized as an act of vandalism we ve contacted the police, but it s only just happens. so i think that pretty early on in the investigation absolutely all right. max. thank you so much. i really appreciate it i knew our scene a new central starts now start the clock as all this minute. we believe the jury in the hunter biden trial is back deliberating a verdict could come this morning breaking this morning, a suspect arrested for stabbing for americans in china the video censored on chinese social media. new questions this morning about what happened and why health experts expressing concern that a bird flu outbreak in the united states could become a much bigger problem there are a assignor is out today. i m john berman with kate bolduan. this is cnn news central happening now alive, look at the federal court in wilmington, delaware, where everyone is waiting for work when the jury now they will be resuming deliberations in hunter biden s federal gun trial. they met for only about one our yesterday. so maybe they have hours of work ahead, but word could come any moment
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oh, my goodness, no. i m very, very proud of it. it s been three years. we haven t found anything, haven t seen anything. many people have tried. many people are covering it up. like who? the president of the united states. do you believe you ll be acquitted am. this is a complete misuse of the criminal process to interfere with the 2024 election. so much to fact check there including his tie. meanwhile the biden campaign is out with a new ad that hits donald trump during a campaign rally he had in las vegas just this past sunday. take a look. because i don t want anybody going at me we need every voter. i just want your vote, i don t care. i m joe biden and i approve this message. short and sweet. in just hours the jury will resume deliberating for a second straight day in a wilmington, delaware, courthouse. the jury got the case late yesterday following instructions from the judge and after hearing closing arguments from both the defense and the prosecution. prosecutors lay out what they described as overwhelming evidence against the president s son. hunter biden s attorney argued that prosecutors had not met their burden of proof in terms of proving the case beyond a reasonable doubt. earlier in the day the defense rested its case without calling hunter biden to testify. first lady jill biden was present in the audience for yesterday s proceedings as she has been throughout the trial. hunter biden has pleaded not guilty to three felony counts tied to a possession of a gun while using narcotics and lying on a government form. it s unclear how this case will impact the presidential race, but certainly those close to president biden are deeply concerned about the personal toll it will take on hunter biden s father. joining us now anthony coley who previously served as the top spokesperson for attorney general merrick garland. anthony, good to see you here on set in washington. let s talk about the hunter biden case first. what s your read on yesterday s closing arguments? so here s what s so interesting about this case, jonathan, is that there s a lot of circumstantial evidence here. we talked a lot about the passages in the book and then there are the text messages that all suggest that hunter biden was not sober during this period of time. but there is no smoking gun. there s no eyewitness here, so you can see a scenario where a jury says, you know, the government has not met its high burden of proof. that s the first thing. the second thing to me is a lot of what s happening off the stand, the unconditional love this man is receiving from all of his family not just through this trial but through his period of addiction. and number two, this reiteration that we heard from the president last week that he s going to respect the jury s verdict, and even if they return a not guilty verdict, that he would not pardon his son. and i can tell you if the shoe were on the other foot not only would donald trump not make that promise, this case a case of a similar a case looking at his family, you can see a scenario where he would not even have let it get this far. you know, he would have practically burned down the justice department if an obama era u.s. attorney was investigating his family. and biden has been very hands off. and briefly, what s the rule of thumb in terms of how long the jury will deliberate? could we get a verdict today? we could very well get a verdict today. one day of deliberation for every day the trial went on. that s the rule of thumb. they could come back they told the judge we deliberated for a couple days and we don t have a verdict, they re split. we ll turn to trump for just a moment. do you think the prosecution proved their case? i m not the lawyer, so i m not going to render my verdict, but i hope that hunter biden will be able to move on with his life. let s turn to donald trump s probation interview yesterday. it s a standard part of the procedure, about 30 minutes or so, but tell us why it matters and that includes because if he ends up with probation, he s not allowed to associate with other people who have criminal records themselves, have spent prison time, and at that point that s a lot of people in his universe including just the other day steve bannon. that s exactly right. plus also interesting here are the factors that go into whatever report that the probation officer provides, right? and you ve got to imagine that they re going to consider donald trump s efforts to accept the norms and the rules, and we know from just looking at this case, this is a man who has violated the norms and the rules, you know, ten different times he refused to accept this, narrowly tailored gag order. so it s going to be interesting to see how this one plays out. we are now precisely one month from donald trump s sentencing. today is june 11th. that comes july 11th. this probation here scheduled yesterday, are there other markers, procedures or events we should be looking for between now and that sentencing at the end of the month. no, i think right now what typically happens in the process the probation officer will prepare a report for the judge, and the judge obviously is the one that s going to make whatever determination he feels is appropriate in this case. and we will see if that includes prison time. msnbc justice and legal affairs analyst anthony coley, thank you. good to see you as always. next up here we ll bring you the latest from the middle east amid new reporting the biden administration is potentially looking at negotiating a deal with hamas to release american hostages in gaza. it s not clear if israel would be part of those talks. plus, donald trump s repeat conviction in new york could means he loses the liquor license at some of his golf courses. we ll have those stories, the other top headlines, as well as a check on sports and weather when we come right back. a check when we come right back. sup? 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good morning, jonathan. it s looking real soggy in the state of florida for the next couple days. from west palm to miami and out towards naples interest 6 million people. i wouldn t be surprised if that expands and sticks with us through at least the end of the workweek. we ve got a stationary front hanging out in northern florida. it s going to leave us unsettled with a whole lot of moisture to tap into, and that means, yes, multiple rounds of rain, today, tomorrow and getting into thursday and friday we ll continue to see really heavy rain working in. with all this rain on tap we likely will see upwards of maybe 10 inches, 12 inches, up to over a foot to 15 inches possible specifically across parts of southwest florida, so we likely will have the flooding concern be there at least through the end of the workweek. this will be something notable to watch here over the next couple of days. meanwhile, out west it remains warm. temperatures triple digits in las vegas, phoenix headed to 110 today. el paso headed to 102. by the time we get into tomorrow this heat starts to expand further to the east. salt lake city 99 degrees. notice minneapolis headed to the upper 80s. temperatures way warm for this time of year, and we get the east coast in on the action, too. 36 degrees on thursday new york city 90s on tap by friday, mid-90s for richmond. the same goes for charlotte both friday and saturday and a warm weekend too for folks friday and saturday in atlanta. this is something we ll see last into the weekend. summer will be in full swing in this region before you know it. summer is here. angie lassman, thank you so much. we ll talk to you again tomorrow. still ahead we ve got new video that shows the dramatic moments israeli forces rescued some of the hostages held by hamas. plus the latest on a possible cease-fire deal. we ll be right back. sible cease-fire deal. we ll be right back. . supporting your - oops - energy, immunity and metabolism. and yours too! you did it! plus try centrum silver, now clinically proven to support memory in older adults. have you always had trouble losing weight now clinically proven and keeping it off? 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based on the reporting and what we ve heard from the white house publicly, this is without question the most concerted effort that the biden administration has made in this eight month long war to get to some kind of deal. they ve been pushing for a temporary cease-fire for some time. obviously this deal as you note has phases, the beginning of which would be this six-week cease-fire when hamas would release israeli hostages in exchange for israel releasing palestinians who have been detained by the israeli government, and then of course negotiations over a permanent end to the war and the withdrawal of israeli forces from gaza. what s interesting about it is the u.s. is saying prime minister netanyahu has accepted the deal although we haven t heard prime minister netanyahu say that in public himself. reuters is reporting just this morning hamas has accepted the deal and willing to negotiate over the details. i think what you re really seeing from the administration is a real push to bring an end to hostilities especially given this administration has come nod a lot of criticism for u.s. support for israel during the course of this war given the devastation in gaza, and i think they really want to get to a deal not just to secure the release of hostages and some of the suffering in gaza but with the election just months away, it s really critical for president biden i think to get to a deal. with the civilian toll rising and certainly there is the possibility of a u.s.-hamas deal and much prefer israel be involved too. you mentioned political fallout and let s turn your recent reporting how the war weighs on the president. you spoke to one family in pennsylvania divided over whether or not to support biden at the ballot box in november because of this very issue. tell us about it. this to me is microcosm of the debate many democratic voters have been having since the start of the war as you ve seen not just progressive democrats but a lot of voters who are part of the democratic base, question the biden administration s really unequivocal backing of israel during the high civilian death toll, given the widespread starvation in gaza, and this family is one of the many families split what to do about it. there are democrats still going to support president bide even if they re frustrated with the way he handles this war, also they want to prevent another trump presidency, but there are a lot of voters who i think frustrated with the way this war has played out and that the president has not just not been very critical of israel during this offensive in gaza but also the u.s. has continued to provide weapons and other military support. and i think that coalition or that constituency is really key because there s a lot of concern within the white house and even among the biden campaign not those voters would swing towards trump but vote third party or stay at home. in a key voter ground like pennsylvania where his family is based some of these states are separated by tens of thousands of votes. neither candidate and certainly not president biden can afford to lose any voters in november. certainly the biden team desperate for this war to end before november. we mentioned earlier in the show the jury is deliberating in the hunter biden case and a verdict could come as soon as today. we went through the legal implications then, and certainly it s reported the personal toll this will take on president biden. as you talk to republicans and democrats alike whatever the verdict is here, guilty or not guilty, is it actually going to change anything in the presidential race? we haven t really seen too much indication this is going to affect, you know, independent or swing voters when it comes to election and support for president biden. this is not an issue that is top of mind, you know, for a lot of the types of voters that biden needs to turn up in november, but it s going to be a key issue for republicans. i think it s something that animates their base and it s something they re trying to use a counterweight to, you know, the criminal charges against former president trump, of course, the former president was convicted in the hush money trial. i think there s a big difference, of course, in the former president who is himself on the ballot facing, you know, criminal charges and the president s son who is not involved in the administration, who has not held any formal role in the administration. but there is also this question of a toll it takes on the president himself that you spoke to. obviously it is a deeply personal issue for him. he s not going to be addressing it publicly. he said he supports his son, but of course i think he doesn t really want to he campaigned on restoring independence to the justice department, to the legal system especially given, you know, the charges against his opponent, i don t think he wants to be in the business of weighing in on the legal issues themselves, but just kind of going back to the big picture, you know, this is not top of mind for i think most of the voters who are going to the polls in november who it would make a difference, but it is something i think certainly a political issue that republicans are going to try and leverage and maybe use as a distraction. yeah, whether to say guilty the biden family is corrupt or not guilty, the justice system is rigged against republicans. covered a lot of ground this morning. sabrina siddiqui, thank you for being here. we appreciate it. next up we ll go live to cnbc for an early look what s driving wall street as investors await the federal reserve s decision on interest rates. plus apple joins the artificial intelligence race. what we re learning about the new technology the iphone maker plans to offer when we come right back. e maker plans to offer when we come right back [coughing] copd hasn t been pretty. it s tough to breathe and tough to keep wondering if this is as good as it gets. but trelegy has shown me that there s still beauty and breath to be had. because with three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy keeps my airways open and prevents future flare-ups. and with one dose a day, trelegy improves lung function so i can breathe more freely all day and night. trelegy won t replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain occur. what a wonderful world ask your doctor about once-daily trelegy for copd because breathing should be beautiful. so this is pickleball? 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yeah, good morning, john. look, certainly the impact then of this fed policy meeting will be quite significant for this market picture, right? because it determines ultimately what does the rate cut in policy pretty much look like? how all the data has culminated so far and you saw just last week friday that hot jobs report being the labor market still looked pretty robust, 270,000 jobs still being created. all of that plus the growth projection, the inflation trajectory remaining a bit sticky, although there seems to be a drop, though. has all that data meant the fed is little more comfortable with cutting interest rates a little bit later on this year? or are they still in wait and see mode? and how much more data dependent will it be? all of that has meant the market is pretty nervous ahead of this meeting and has remained pretty negative to start things off, although it is close to that flat line. so apple as we just teased has announced a major push into a.i. with a huge impact on how we all could use our iphones. so what have we learned so far as to how this company s going to use artificial intelligence. well, if you like emojis, you can use the as a key starter. they ve also included their partnership with open a.i. which means chat gpt ultimately forms a big primary part then of apple as well-meaning siri works with chatgpt to formulate responses on answers and questions you may certainly have to the chat bot, which siri was known for. of course the big question mark is whether they d use that ability then to grow the data model and also be able to grow the number of people who actually purchase iphones. a question mark, however, is whether this will be enough to do that. not entirely sure. investors didn t necessarily feel too enlightened by the story and perhaps underwhelmed a bit on the updates. so perhaps not enough to shift investors at their price went down nearly 2% yesterday. and lastly shares of the british personal computer maker known as raspberry pie jumped on its first day as a public company. what does it say about the market for new stock listings? yeah, that s a fruitful experience for the london stock exchange especially. raspberry pie coming up here, it s a really low cost computer model company that believes they ll sell at least 8.4 million new computers ultimately this year. it s because of the growth they still see in this a.i. sector. they believe semiconductors will formulate a great part of their growth. and they still believe even though the united states is where you get all the great valuations of companies, that investors will find you wherever you are as long as you re a great company. that s according to the ceo evan upton. that s the belief of a company thus far going up around 50% on the back of its initial ipo earlier this morning and limited in that it s only been able to a few institutional investors so far. we appreciate it. arabile gumede live from london, thank you again. next up here a controversial ukrainian military unit will soon be allowed to use u.s. weapons in its fight against russia. we ll dig into the brigade s checkered past and why the white house is lift its ban. more news from europe when way too early comes right back. s f too early comes right back. lp t high protein, complete nutrition you need. .without the stuff you don t. so, here s to now. boost. ah, these bills are crazy. she has no idea she s sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn t know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? 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yeah, i mean i think the administration deserves a lot of credit for the work they did, you know, before the russian invasion and in the immediate wake of it and building real unity with european allies and building support from countries around the world. obviously the war in gaza for the last eight months has drawn a lot of attention. it continues to take up a lot of space on the agenda for very good reasons. i think the ukraine war has grown quite frustrating for them. it seems to be bogged down in a bit of a stalemate, so there are real questions about what will happen next there, although, president biden continues to make clear that the u.s. is going to be there, you know, supporting ukraine in the long haul. well, this is all happening in the midst of, you know, of a presidential campaign that they would really much rather be talking about domestic legislature accomplishments. so let s talk about where things stand in ukraine. as you said a bit of a stalemate at the moment, but russia made some progress in their offensive earlier this spring but not a lot. they continue to pound kharkiv with weaponry. tell us a little bit about the u.s. move to arm ukraine and allow them to strike within russia but also do you see much in the way changing on the battlefield or is this eventually going to turn into a frozen conflict that might eventually lead us to the negotiating table? right, i think if you go back about a year you saw a ukrainian counter offensive that surprised a lot of people in its effectiveness. the second counter offensive that began earlier this year was obviously not as successful. that has brought us to the situation where we are now, and that was not really a surprise because in the intervening year russia had the opportunity to really embed itself to lay a lot of mines, to dig a lot of trenches, so harder to root them out. but during the second counter offensive, so, yeah, it looks like we are there hasn t been too much movement. it looks like we might be in a frozen conflict for the moment. i think the ukrainian military hopes that a new strategy of striking russian facilities across the border could potentially change that equation. obviously, that s an escalation. the question is, is it a wise one? the question is, will that meaningfully change the situation here? you know, the kind of theory of the case that the administration has had up until now is to support ukraine s defense in the hopes that that would put them in the strongest possible position eventually around the negotiating table. i don t think that s changed. the question is, at what point does putin have interest in a negotiating piece? that s been missing up until now. there certainly will be ramifications coming out of elections in the eu, u.s. in november, and other european nations in the months ahead, as well. yeah. executive vice president at the center or international policy, matt duss, thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. thank you. up next on way too early, we re seeing fewer arrests at the southern border. we ll break down the latest numbers now that president biden s executive order is in effect. coming up on morning joe, a louisiana woman is traveling across the country for the biden campaign, sharing her experience with abortion. she ll join our conversation with her story and why she says black women are disproportionately impacted. plus, jury deliberations resume later this morning in the hunter biden criminal trial. a panel of legal analysts are standing by with key takeaways from yesterday s closing arguments. also ahead, oscar nominated actress minnie driver will be in studio to discuss season two of her hit show the circuit queen. morning joe just a few moments away. it ain t my dad s razor, dad. ay watch it! it s from gillettelabs. this green bar releases trapped hairs from my face. gamechanga! .while the flexdisc contours to it. so the five blades can get virtually every hair in one stroke. for the ultimate gillette shaving experience. the best a man can get is gillettelabs. sup? 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there s so many ways republicans attack this issue, and something that doesn t change is the hyper focus on crimes committed by cry mai migrants in the country illegally. there s always footage from border checkpoints. it mitigated some of the republican messaging, and it said to democrats that biden is willing to do things that are unpopular with the base. i think that s popular with some voters who are on the fence, who voted for biden last time. it s not going to mitigate the entire immigration issue for him. republicans, you know, are the ones who killed the bipartisan border bill earlier this year. democrats have really tried to make that point, but have we seen that has sunk in, changed the polling? it hasn t changed the polling, but democrats have the argument. they could say, we know what it takes to fix the border. republicans blocked this to help donald trump. what is donald trump s answer? what is he going to do? to make the space for the argument is what this executive order was for. but, no, they ve not found a way out of this since really early 2021 when border crossings were up because biden reversed trump s policies. republicans have a simple message here, which is, do you remember all the border crossings when trump was there? remember migrants coming to new york, chicago, et cetera? trump is going to reverse that. there is nothing as simple democrats have. they have been showing they re willing to say to the migrant advocates in their base that they re not listening to them. they re going to adopt policies the aclu is going to sue them for probably any day in california. let s turn to primaries. you ve been following it closely. nancy mace, representative of south carolina, her election is tonight. tell us about that race and also what we re seeing writ large about these intraparty battles. the mace race will be hard to follow. she won 2020. donald trump endorsed her opponent in 2022. donald trump is for her this time. she has one of several races where trump has intervened in some way and become the issue in the race. that s intensified since the convictions in new york. this one is kind of unique. her opponents have argued that whatever nancy mace says, she s in this for attention. if you want a true maga conservative who is not going to ever make you question where the next vote is coming from, vote for me. that s her problem. across the country in north dakota, trump has a candidate today in the open seat, next few weeks in virginia. i was just there where trump endorsed against bob good, and good was saying i m the maga candidate, campaigning with steve bannon. the elections are still about who is most loyal to trump. you mentioned the criminal conviction of trump. we re ten days from that news. what are we seeing so far as to how it is impacting the presidential race? as you talk to republicans and democrats alike, we ve seen polls move just slightly but move, just slightly, to president biden. do we think that s going to intensify, stay where it is, or fade away in the months before november? we were talking about immigration messaging for republicans. this is even more coherent. there is no one breaking against larry hogan, across the river from here, but almost nobody else in the republican party saying there is something legitimate in the court decision in new york. that matters. you have an entire party creating the structure for swing voters to say, i don t know about this conviction. they re trying to move the numbers. we saw two weeks ago the hypothetical conviction in new york was unpopular. we saw a fifth of trump voters said they might not vote for him if this happened. republicans are doing, day by day, saying, ignore this, forget about it. it is an attempt to get trump because they couldn t get him otherwise. let s see how far we can kick these other cases down the road. it has hurt on the margins, but and a two-point margin could matter in the race, but it is not the size republicans are worried about because of all the work they re doing in saying, pay no attention to the indictment behind the curtain. democrats had some focus on it but less coherent or consistent on the issue. yeah. politics reporter for semafor, dave weigel, thanks for being here. thanks for getting up way too early on this tuesday morning to all of you. morning joe starts right now. unlike the vast majority of felons out there, trump was allowed to do his interview at mar-a-lago over a video conference call. 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the un security council endorsed a ceasefire proposal for gaza on monday. it is the first time the council has passed a resolution demanding a stop in fighting, after eight months of war. the resolution urges both hamas and israel to fully and quickly implement the three phase plan. 1a countries voted in favour, and russia abstained. reactions to the resolution between the two parties have been mixed. hamas says it welcomes the endorsement, and that it s ready to work with mediators. a senior israeli diplomat said her country would continue to pursue its objectives. us ambassador to the un linda thomas greenfield says the resolution shows hamas that the international community is united. colleagues, today this council sent a clear message to hamas. accept the ceasefire deal on the table. israel has already agreed to this deal and the fighting could stop today, if hamas would do the same. i repeat, the fighting could stop today. the bbc s nada tawfik has more from new york. and what we heard from the united states was that this was the best possible way to secure a durable end to the war, saying that it really is a deal that was israel s initiative, it outlined three phases that they said would eventually, you know, lead to the complete withdrawal of israeli forces, the release of all hostages, in exchange for palestinian prisoners, major reconstruction of gaza, eventually. but, i think, from different members, you heard different positions. you know, while the united states says this resolution passing means that the international community is united, and that this will help put pressure on hamas to accept the deal, you know, algeria said they still had some reservations about the text, but supported it, because they felt it wanted to give diplomacy a chance, wanted to give a glimmer of hope to palestinians. but from russia and china, a lot more scepticism. you know, russia said it didn t want to block this resolution, because the arab group of nations supported it, but it questioned whether israel had really accepted the deal, as the resolution states, and they pointed to a number of statements by israeli officials, including prime minister benjamin netanyahu, that they will continue the war until hamas is defeated. china, as well, questioned if, you know, parties will actually implement these three phases of presidentjoe biden s proposed deal, and china noting that the other security council resolutions that have been passed weren t implemented, including a permanent ceasefire, including getting more aid in at scale into gaza, questioning, you know, whether this will have a tangible impact on the ground. so i think it remains to be seen if this resolution will, in fact, be different than the other ones. meanwhile, us secretary of state antony blinken is visiting the middle east, for the eighth time since the october 7th attacks. secretary blinken is fiercely advocating for the ceasefire deal, outlined by president biden ten days ago. mr blinken met with egyptian president abdel fattah al sisi, before heading tojerusalem for talks with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. a state department spokesman said secretary blinken assured mr netanyahu that the proposal would unlock the possibility of calm along israel s northern border. our state department correspondent tom bateman is travelling with the secretary, and has more from jerusalem. publicly, we re seeing the americans come here and try to press arab leaders to put pressure on hamas to accept this. but hamas is going to want, and basically wants, you know, a far clearer guarantee that this would mean the end of the war and a full israeli withdrawal from gaza. clearly, they don t feel like they ve got that yet, because we re not seeing a formal response from them, or the resumption of these indirect negotiations. but there is something else going on beneath the surface and this isn t part of the public presentation, but what mr blinken is trying to do is bind the israelis into this and the israeli leadership, because although mr netanyahu has said that his war cabinet has authorised the deal, we haven t heard unequivocal support from him, and crucially, in his wider cabinet, that fractious cabinet, including far right ministers, some of those have outright rejected this proposal already, and some of those have said they would quit the coalition, precipitate its collapse, if this proposal were to go ahead. so that puts pressure on mr netanyahu, potentially, to pull back from it all. so i think the white house is trying to bounce the two sides into making progress. that is why mr blinken is here. there are also some strong motivations, really, for the israeli leadership, to some extent the top echelons of hamas, to play for a bit more time here, but among those who are trying to rush this through, the white house, president biden, desperately seeking an agreement, before the us presidential election campaign gets under way proper later in this year. but so far, here from the region, few signs of any imminent breakthrough. for more on the resolution in the midst of the secretary s visit, i spoke to james jeffrey, former us ambassador to turkey and iraq, and chair of the wilson center s middle east program. ambassador, i want to start with the un security council adopting this resolution that welcomes this 3 phase ceasefire agreement that was outlined by president biden on may 31. do you think israel is going to accept this ceasefire? yes, in the sense accept this ceasefire? yes, in the sense that accept this ceasefire? yes, in the sense that israel, - accept this ceasefire? yes, in the sense that israel, first. accept this ceasefire? yes, in the sense that israel, first of| the sense that israel, first of all, it is an israeli proposal, it is a proposal that the president, basically, underlined basically, outlined a week ago, friday. but the important thing is the ultimate departure of all israeli troops from gaza and a permanent ceasefire, which is at the end of what we call the second six week phase, that is an automatic. that requires negotiations. these negotiations. these negotiations could go on, and in terms of the agreement, although president biden has tried to break this down, the israelis or hamas could break off at the end of the initial ceasefire at the end of a six weeks could be terminated. if you look at what s on the table, what is the difference between what president biden outlined, and what is really want and what have us ask for? the israeli said things that some hostages come back, there is aid pouring in, people can go back to their homes, but basically for six weeks, the israeli military stops fighting and pulls out of the major urban areas, so basically where all the strategic terrain along the egyptian border, the sea and other places, but stops fighting, and in return, as will hamas, and in return will negotiate on a possible permanent ceasefire during those six weeks. if they haven t achieved a breakthrough by then, they can extend about six weeks ceasefire while they continue to negotiate, but, importantly, they don t have to, and if one or the other side decides after the six weeks to break off the negotiations, we would go back to fighting. so this puts pressure on hamas. that is the israeli proposal. president biden is stressing how important it is to keep those negotiations going on forever, because then the initial six week ceasefire will look like a permanent ceasefire. right. that s very interesting. you look at one part of this proposal it does lead to the release of hostages who are in gaza. do you think the freezing of four hostages over the weekend, four israeli hostages were being in gaza, changes the equation at all for prime minister netanyahu? we know that families of the remaining hostages are putting even more pressure on this government. first of all, it overshadowed the departure of minister gantz, which was an important blow i think to netanyahu, and it will lead to i think less moderate israeli policy, but we will see. but nevertheless this was a military victory, at huge cost from the palestinian side, but it was a military victory and it so strengthens netanyahu s position, not only inside israel but also viz a viz haouas. inside israel but also viz a viz haouas. ~ ., , ,., viz haouas. we have seen some consternation viz haouas. we have seen some consternation course viz haouas. we have seen some consternation course across - viz haouas. we have seen some consternation course across the| consternation course across the world over the loss of palestinian lives in that raid that led to the freeing of those hostages, and as you said, benny gantz has left the war cabinet. what impact is not actually have on prime minister netanyahu? does it mean he is more beholden to the right wing forces in his government? fin forces in his government? on the margins, yes, but he forces in his government? (m the margins, yes, but he has support from one of the opposition leaders, minister lapid, who said he and his party would support netanyahu if netanyahu went along with this ceasefire, and thus netanyahu, even if the two very right wing ministers in the party pulled out of the 64 out of 120 contested coalition, netanyahu could stay in power, so i think all in all we are in the potential endgame. the key will be what is in those negotiations for the second phase. it won tjust be how israel leaves, it will be who governs gaza. you notice no one is talking about this. there is a third phase of major reconstruction. i have provided my recommendations to both the us and the israeli government, as have others come on how to do this, but what s important is, and this is new, israel has signed up in this agreement to the eventual, under the right conditions, departure of all israeli forces. that means that the idea of permanent israeli occupation of gaza, which we feared was the position of the netanyahu government, is no longer really on the table, if they can get the right conditions. they can get the right conditions. ., , , ., conditions. so what is your recommendation conditions. so what is your recommendation to - conditions. so what is your recommendation to the - conditions. so what is your| recommendation to the us, conditions. so what is your - recommendation to the us, to the israelis come on what the post war governments would look like in gaza? fit, post-war governments would look like in gaza? like in gaza? a stand down of hamas, like in gaza? a stand down of hamas. i like in gaza? a stand down of hamas, i think like in gaza? a stand down of hamas, i think there - like in gaza? a stand down of hamas, i think there will- like in gaza? a stand down of hamas, i think there will be l hamas, i think there will be negotiated in the second phase, where it is a ceasefire not only against israel but against the people and anyone who tries to govern gaza, then an international presence in the various ideas of arab, european, other players would come in and do governance, due reconstruction. reconstruction. would palestinian reconstruction. would palestinian leaders i reconstruction. wouldj palestinian leaders be reconstruction. would - palestinian leaders be open to that? i palestinian leaders be open to that? 4 , ., , that? i think they would be sub ect that? i think they would be subject to that? i think they would be subject to an that? i think they would be subject to an awful - that? i think they would be subject to an awful lot - that? i think they would be subject to an awful lot of. subject to an awful lot of pressure and they would also want a certain role, that is where you get the negotiations with the israelis, but that is normal and everyone a fair may be two dozen ceasefires i have been involved in the last 60 years. this can be an end game. it isn t an end game yet but we re moving in that direction. 0ne quick final question, secretary of state clinton is again in the region. what do you think his aim is in this visit? ,, , , ., you think his aim is in this visit? ,, ., you think his aim is in this visit? ,, , , ., ., visit? simply to say we re not auoin to visit? simply to say we re not going to spend visit? simply to say we re not going to spend a visit? simply to say we re not going to spend a week - visit? simply to say we re not| going to spend a week without at least one senior official visiting israel in the region, but the real work is between channels between washington and jerusalem. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let s look at another story making headlines in the uk. an initial postmortem concluded that dr michael mosley died of natural causes, brought on by the conditions of a strenuous walk. the bbc presenter s body was found in a rocky area of the greek island of symi, sunday, four days after he went missing while on holiday. joe inwood reports. it was just near the beach bar that his body was found yesterday, not by search and rescue teams, but by local journalists, the mayor and the staff here. he journalists, the mayor and the staff here- staff here. he passed out of the land- staff here. he passed out of the land. michaelis- staff here. he passed out of the land. michaelis was - staff here. he passed out of the land. michaelis was one j staff here. he passed out of. the land. michaelis was one of the land. michaelis was one of the first on the land. michaelis was one of the first on the the land. michaelis was one of the first on the scene. - the land. michaelis was one of the first on the scene. he - the land. michaelis was one of the first on the scene. he is i the first on the scene. he is still in shock and feels guilt for not finding him sooner. we did our for not finding him sooner. - did our best. we gave whatever we can to do, and i m very sorry about it. i m very sorry about the end. cctv footage, which has not been released, shows the final moments of dr mosley s life. it confirms that the presenter died before his family had realised he was missing. he was 67 years old. you re live with bbc news. french political parties are scrambling to prepare for legislative elections, less than three weeks away, after president emmanuel macron s surprise decision to dissolve parliament and call a snap vote. mr macron made the announcement on sunday, after his allies suffered a resounding defeat by the far right in european polls. but, as nicke beake reports, his first day of the campaign was marked not with a rally, but with a memorial service. emmanuel macron visited the site of one of the worst nazi massacres in france, perpetrated 80 years ago today. he s been drawing on the past to highlight what he claims is the current threat confronting the country from the far right. in the face of his opponents success this weekend, the president has taken an almighty gamble in calling a snap election. 40 miles outside paris, this is coulommiers, the land of cheesemaking, where support for macron has crumbled. the members of the monday club said they hadn t veered to the right. but then we met 31 year old mum of three, noemi, a worker in an elderly care home, who says she s desperate for something new. translation: what frightens people could actually do them j good, so we should try the national front, because france is getting worse. i m scared to leave my house and the public transport is not safe. whatever the result of these snap parliamentary elections, emmanuel macron is set to stay on as president for another three years, but a national rally victory could have a huge impact here and in many parts of france. it would also be hugely symbolic, too, because injust six weeks time, the country will host the olympic games and by then, france could have its first far right government since the second world war. this is the 28 year old who could be france s prime minister in a month. through his social media, jordan bardella has been winning young supporters in particular, focusing on the cost of living, softening the image of a party once condemned as unelectable, and working alongside marine le pen. she hopes to replace macron as president in 2027. so can national rally translate their victory at the european elections to the national vote? so they have some kind of, say, a political virginity people say, we do not know what they will do if they come to power but nevertheless, let s give them a try, and if we are not happy, we will have election next time and we ll get rid of them. it s not clear what the president s thinking is, but his legacy will be defined in the coming weeks. nick beake, bbc news, outside paris. france s snap election is just part of the fallout of this year s european parliament election, with 373 million eligible voters across the eu s 27 member states. the centre right european people s party, led by european commission president ursula von der leyen, gained seats, and is still the largest bloc. ms von der leyen said the centre has held , but she acknowledged that more extreme parties also made gains. in her native germany, chancellor 0laf scholz s social democrats were pushed into third place by the far right alternative for germany, afd. unlike president macron, the chancellor rejected calls to hold early elections, following these results. in italy, the party of populist prime minister giorgia meloni secured a clear victory. but elsewhere, right wing parties did not perform as strong. in poland, the governing centrist civic coalition claimed victory. live now to kristine berzina, from the german marshall fund of the united states, a transatlantic policy organisation. she specializes in us eu geostrategic ties. uncertainty after far right parites made major gains, great to have you on the programme tonight. what you think of emmanuel macron s move to call these snap elections? this is quite a gamble. it is a ve bi this is quite a gamble. it is a very big gamble. this is quite a gamble. it is a very big gamble. there - this is quite a gamble. it is a very big gamble. there was i this is quite a gamble. it is a i very big gamble. there was an earthquake in france with the european parliament elections. already there is an expectation the far right pretty well in europe, and we saw that in france, where the shock to the system, they shocked to macron s party and to his base was so significant that he has called for this snap election. this is a gamble that could determine what is the opportunity for the national rally to be a real political force, with the opportunity right now to also lead to the parliament. of course, president macron stays for the next three years, but his further agenda will be in many ways defined by his relationship with the parliament, and his leadership of european politics, of security policy, of europe as a global force will be called into question, if he has to be set against a parliament that is far more isolationist and uninterested in the world, in fact very concerned about immigration, has a very different approach than he himself does. so we see a gamble and potentially a play at the future role that france has in europe. france is in the world. and if this gamble does not work out for macron, it will provide an opportunity, in fact a necessity, for other europeans, for the germans, for the polls, for the north before the polls, for the north before the east, to step up and provide a much more ambitious dr tom ., , ., ., provide a much more ambitious drtom ., , ., ., ., dr tom to “ump in and ask about this and dr tom to jump in and ask about this and other dr tom to jump in and ask about this and other countries, - this and other countries, countries like germany, austria, italy also saw these far right surges. what consequence could we see there, is it something we will see is a knock on effect from france? germany had a blow to some of its major coalition parties, the social democrats and the greens suffered across all of europe we have seen pushback on the green agenda, some of the car policies, admission policies in particular. this is going to be hard for the coalition but it appears that the coalition is going to hold. there are elections coming down next year and there are regional elections that are worrying, and the far right party, the afd, is making gains, but again this is not going to be quite an earthquake in germany as it is in france. georgia maloney in italy is a far right leader and the domestic policies are very harsh and objectionable to many people but on foreign policy she has been an ally for many of the pan european and pan nato foreign objectives such as helping ukraine and we can see that continue. in other parts of europe we have seen the success of the right. but not of the far right. we have seen a drop in support for more than s party, we have seen a drop in support for donald tusk s more centrist, again right but centre right, not far right. if right but centre right, not far riuht. .., right but centre right, not far riuht. , ., ., right but centre right, not far riuht. ., ., , ., right. if i could follow up on that and right. if i could follow up on that and ask, right. if i could follow up on that and ask, what - right. if i could follow up on that and ask, what are - right. if i could follow up on that and ask, what are we l that and ask, what are we witnessing, is this a broader shift towards more conservative policies, orare shift towards more conservative policies, or are we seeing a trend we could then see swing the other way in another election? the other way in another election? ~ ., , ., ., election? we are seeing a lot of concern election? we are seeing a lot of concern about election? we are seeing a lot of concern about fiscal - of concern about fiscal responsibility, being something thatis responsibility, being something that is across the continent. we are seeing an opposition to green politics. there are many things that europe has been trying to do recently. there is economic birth, a very ambitious green agenda, as well as security and defence, and the thing we are seeing a lot of opposition is specifically on the green agenda. so we are seeing more support for stricter and more restrictive immigration policies. this is something that is a far right issue, but ever more of the centre right is taking this on. where we are not seeing the far right flourish is along the eastern flank or in a lot of europe that feels most at risk, say the far right in estonia, the far right in finland, the far right in sweden suffered serious losses, and we also talked about the polish case, and so you see the areas of europe that are at most risk for some kind of aggression from russia holding to a centre far more firmly than we are seeing the large western european countries hold and have their relationship with the far right right now. some could say that this is because there hasn t been an opportunity for the far right to have significant power in places like poland, where this has been a recent phenomenon, or in hungary still today, where this has been experienced, we are seeing a backlash against it. backlash against it. great to net our backlash against it. great to get your analysis backlash against it. great to get your analysis tonight, i get your analysis tonight, thank you forjoining us. uk prime minister rishi sunak and the conservative party are expected to unveil their election manifesto tomorrow. in an interview with the bbc, mr sunak detailed many of the party s initiatives, including addressing the growing challenge of homeownership, and a plan to cut a further 2p from the national insurance. with the country s snap election just weeks away, the party hopes the manifesto s promises will help close the gap in the polls with the labour party. nick robinson questioned the prime minister on the conservatives many campaign promises. we ve had endless promises. i ve got all your tory press releases here. a promise of national service. a couple of billion there. a promise for a tax cut for pensioners. a promise of a tax cut for parents. more apprenticeship, more police officers. endless promises. of more and more money from the conservatives. have you found the magic money tree? ., , , ., ., tree? no, every single one of those policies tree? no, every single one of those policies that tree? no, every single one of those policies that you - tree? no, every single one of those policies that you have l those policies that you have ust those policies that you have just been through is fully funded and costed, as is explained in every single one of those explained in every single one of those press releases, as indeed of those press releases, as indeed when we have set out our manifesto indeed when we have set out our manifesto tomorrow, people will be able manifesto tomorrow, people will be able to see all the details behind be able to see all the details behind it even further. and tomorrow behind it even further. and tomorrow you behind it even further. and tomorrow you will - behind it even further. fific tomorrow you will promise more tax cuts? we tomorrow you will promise more tax cuts? ~ ., ., tax cuts? we will have a manifesto tax cuts? we will have a manifesto tomorrow - tax cuts? we will have a | manifesto tomorrow that tax cuts? we will have a - manifesto tomorrow that builds on all manifesto tomorrow that builds on all the manifesto tomorrow that builds on all the things you just gone through on all the things you just gone through that we have just built just through that we have just built just announcing this campaign, but does continue to cut people s taxes because i believe cut people s taxes because i believe in a country where heartles believe in a country where people s hard work is rewarded. meanwhile, the labour party gave details of its childcare plan for england, pledging to create 100,000 additional childcare places and more than 3,000 new nurseries. liberal democrats are pledging everyone in england would be entitled to free at home care, the two child benefit cap would be lifted, and people in england would have the right to see a gp within seven days, or 24 hours, if urgent. the us president s son, hunter biden, tells the bbc he believes his federal gun case now before a jury has went well . jurors began deliberating monday, after closing arguments wrapped. 0ur correspondent carl nasman spoke to mr hunter biden, as he was leaving the courthouse. how do you feel today when? i think it went well. we ll see, though. we ve got to wait for the jury to come back. thank you. hunter biden is accused of lying about his drug use on a federal form while buying a weapon in 2018, and of illegally possessing a firearm while he was allegedly a drug user. for more on this, our correspondent carl nasman has this report. of the 0f thejury will of the jury will return to this court behind me here in delaware on tuesday morning to continue its deliberations, to weigh the evidence and testimony that they have heard of this trial over the past week or so. much of that has been very detailed, and sometimes difficult to listen to. the prosecution has laid out its case that hunter biden was addicted to crack cocaine, that he was using the drug on or around the time that he purchased that revolver in october 2018, that he then lied about that on a federal form. of course all of this evidence, of course all of this evidence, the text messages, audio, video, some snippets from hunter biden s memoir has played out notjust for the jury played out notjust for the jury but also for the biden family itself. many members of herfamily were again family itself. many members of her family were again in court today, sitting just behind hunter biden in a show of support. among them was the first lady herself, jill biden. this is already a historic case, a historic trial, but a conviction he would also be historic. hunter biden would become the first son of a sitting president to be convicted in a federal courthouse. that would carry a maximum penalty of about 25 years. it is unlikely he would say that amount of time, the discretion would be up to the judge but of course it is in the hands of the jury now, and they will continue those deliberations on day two here on tuesday. carl nazam and reporting. before i go, an iconic event in hong kong. 0n before i go, an iconic event in hong kong. on monday, hundreds of paddlers took part in the city s annual dragon boat festival. they made a splash in the waters of aberdeen harbour with 29 races. similar competitions take place in singapore, australia and the us. that is our programme at this hour. thank you for watching bbc news and stay with us. hello, there. for most of us, it has been a disappointing start to the week, in terms of the weather. a frequent rash of showers, particularly across scotland, gusts of winds coming from the north, and in excess of 30 mph, at times. temperatures struggled to get into double figures, but it was a slightly different story, further south and west. just look at anglesey beautiful afternoon, lots of sunshine and temperatures peaked at around 18 or 19 degrees. high pressure is continuing to nudge its way in from the west, so west will be best, through the course of tuesday. there s still likely to be a few showers around, but hopefully few and further between. most frequent showers, certainly, are going to be across eastern scotland and down through eastern england. so, sunny spells and scattered showers going into the afternoon. that will have an impact with the temperature, 14 or 15 degrees, but again, with a little more shelter, a little more sunshine, 17 or 18 celsius not out of the question. a few scattered showers moving their way through northern ireland and scotland. hopefully, some of these will ease through the afternoon, but you can see those temperatures still really struggling ten to 15 degrees at the very best. now, as we move out of tuesday into wednesday, this little ridge of high pressure will continue to kill off the showers. so, wednesday is likely to be the driest day of the week and make the most of it there s more rain to come, but it will be a pretty chilly start, once again, to wednesday morning. single figures right across the country, low single figures in rural spots. but, hopefully, the showers should be a little bit few and further between and more favoured spots for those showers, once again, to the east of the pennines. more sunshine out to the west. temperatures, generally, similar values to what we ve seen all week, 10 to 18 degrees the high, but the wind direction will start to change as we move into thursday. unfortunately, towards the end of the week, this low pressure will take over. we ll see further spells of rain at times, some of it heavy. but the wind direction will play its part, a little a south westerly wind means that we will see temperatures climbing a degree or so. don t expect anything too significant, because we ve got the cloud and the rain around. but it s not out of the question that across eastern and southeast england, we could see highs of 20 celsius. take care. apple enters the race to bring generative al to consumers with a big partnership. we ll have all the details. and we ll take a close look at the chinese electric vehicle market which is set to be hit by tariffs from the european union. hello and welcome to business today. i m arunoday mukharji. let s begin in the us, where apple has made a splash with its announcements on artificial intelligence. the much anticipated worldwide developers conference kicked off on monday, and the company spelled out the new features for iphones, ipads, and macbooks. 0ur north america business correspondent erin delmore has the latest. the hottest abbreviation in tech these days is easily ai. apple is taking its shot at redefining artificial intelligence into apple intelligence. the company unveiled a series of ai related announcements at its worldwide developers concerts on monday. chief among them, a partnership with the artificial intelligence juggernaut 0penai. that will allow apple to integrate start up s cutting edge chat bot chatgpt into its devices including a superpowered siri. the voice assistant will be available with chatgpt features for free later this year. other new additions include ai generated images and emojis and help with proofreading in tone adjustment. these announcement are the big stand apple integrating ai features that have captured viewers attention and spending the big bucks. rewarding terms that are not onlyjumped up
denticola thinks kennedy can bring americans together and isn t worried about him taking votes from biden or trump a person like bobby kennedy who is really a messenger of unity, a message for all people i think that s why he s going to actually pull a lot of voters from both sides that s back on deal s farm. i shared desire for unity to address a deeply divided country. if we don t make some changes and find somebody who has creative solutions and somebody we can trust who wants to bring us together? we re gonna be on a world of hurt even rfk junior seemed to be pulling more votes away from biden or trump based on who you spoke to anderson kennedy s coalition of voters, they ve really span the political spectrum polling data does indicate the largest contingent could actually be those who didn t support either candidate in 2020. a lot of his support comes from the so-called double-haters. those holding unfavorable views of both biden and trump anderson, even mechan thanks the news continues here on cnn front next the breaking news, trump s interview with a probation officer wrapping up the first first of its kind in history, we have new details about the questions he faced and how his answers could affect his sentence, as well as who was in that room. plus a secret new recording tonight is supreme court justice samuel alito. this is the former republican governor kristi todd whitman breaks her silence about the man that she had publicly supported an introduced to the united states senate she now. regret backing alito, and it s the hottest stock on the planet. a little known company forcing apple today to play catch up we have a special report. let s go outfront and good evening. i m erin burnett, outfront tonight. the breaking news, former president trump, just wrapping up an interview with a probation officer. this is a first never in american history has a former president had to sit down with a probation officer well, because a former president has never been convicted of a crime. but here we are. this meeting was mandatory for trump as he is now a convicted felon in the state of new york. trump answering questions from his home and mar-a-lago. now, according to a source, the question answers lasted about half an hour and trump was asked we understand some of the basic questions that other convinced it did felons must answer those questions for regular felon would include questions about family background, financial status, living situation, and crucially, it chance for the defendant in this case trump to say why he thinks he deserves a lighter punishment now there is no pleading. the fifth year and the answers trump gave will influence judge juan merchan, who will formally sentence trump in july. here s the range trump is facing anywhere from probation two up to a maximum of 20 years in prison after being found guilty of all 34 counts in the new york hush money case. now, one of the most important drivers into whether which extreme this ends up on or where it ends up in that in that band is whether trump expresses remorse. and that of course is not happening trump today posting online, i truly wish people would remember that all of these trials in quotes are concocted and run by the crooked joe biden white house and doj for the purpose of election interference and damaging crooked political opponent me as much as possible. of course, it always bears noting in a moment when he says that the biden doj could have prosecuted this case and explicitly chose not to. and the white house, the white house officials privately call this case the run to the litter. but trump is going to melt this trial for all its political worth. and it comes as his top political ally today, rudy giuliani is now facing some justice of his own, charged with allegedly conspiring to overturn arizona s election. this just came out moments ago. what you re looking at on your screen is the mug shot of giuliani america s mare turned into trump s fall guy, and that is his mug shot in the state of arizona, maricopa county tonight brynn grasp begins our coverage outfront live in new york and brynn, you ve got new reporting about this interview between trump and probation officer so what are you learning yeah, that s right. so aaron is interviewed, took place around 330 today, as you said, it lasted for about a half an hour, a bud source in new york city s who was familiar with the actual interview that took place over a virtual meeting telling are john miller that trump was described as polite, respectful, and accommodating, answering all the questions asked of him. now, we ve reported that todd blanche trump s attorney was with him in mar-a-lago on that side? the virtual meeting by here in new york are understanding from this source is that the commissioner of the new york city probation department would need a homes was present. the general counsel for that department was present, as well as the probation officer that is assigned to trump s case. of course, this probation officer now will likely stick with trump and this will be the person who does the follow-ups. this are saying though that as of now, like i said, he answered all of the questions that were asked of him. and right now, there doesn t seem to be a follow-up, but of course there is always that option to should they need it. so one of my more details of how that probation interview went as we ve described before, many questions could be asked of certainly about trump s background, his financial history, has he abused drugs or alcohol in the past? it s certainly not much ground covered in a 30 minutes, but of course, we re talking about a defendant like the former president here. now what happens next the defense it s her attorney, todd blanche, his team. they re going to submit a sentence recommendation to the judge. the probation officer, who conducted this interview is going to conduct. it s going to compile hello report. and these are just two elements that are gonna be factored into judge juan merchan s decision when he makes that sentencing done, which of course we know the days next month in july 11, aaron, are i brynn? thank you very much. in new york outside the courthouse, michael jacobson and our team join me here. michael, let me start with you because you are the former new york city correction and probation commissioner. so when need homes now doing that now. so what s your take of what happened today? we ve been obviously probation or regular probation officer assigned to the case, but it sounds like the commissioner herself was in the room as well as the general counsel will certainly expected someone more than just a probation officer to be in that interview. i mean, it s so unusual for 1,000 reasons. most of them obvious but just the fact that it was remote. and that trump s attorney was there. those are two very odd things in enough themselves. so given all that, it certainly made sense that you would want someone other than the probation officer it certainly makes sense to me for the general counsel to be there the sort of equivalent of trump s attorney on the probation? and the commissioner runs the agencies. so i think she thought it was appropriate that she was there. now, i know these can often go up to 90 minutes or two. i then go longer. this went less than 30, and obviously this isn t a case where the judge needs to be reminded about the details of the defendant or anything like that as would be the case in normal situations. but what do you think they got out of it? well, it s just the beginning of what can be a pretty long and sometimes intrusive process. so you shouldn t take too much that it was just a a first polite interview. probation officer has wide berth here to get into, as you said alcohol and drug use. talking to pass as victims can examine trump s behavior in terms of the violation of the gag order revisit the finding that he sexually assaulted jean carroll. all that is open, fodder for a pre-sentence investigation. they wanted to sort of paint a broad picture. so this was the start of something at certainly not the end, which is important thing, right? it s not as if this is done and then we wait a month, right, terry, this is this is a part of it, but you ve watched the judge so closely in that room, judge, that trump had referred to looking like an angel, but he was really the devil was the way trump put it but a judge who his demeanor was always positive, serious, he never never betrayed any sort of emotion how much weight do you think he will give this report, this interview that s the report that s going to come out of the interview that michael s talking about. i think he s going to take it very seriously, but like you said, aaron, he knows this defendant, he knows trump. he saw him every the day he saw trump violate the gag order ten times and he imposed the fine for that. and i think he s going to really want to see whether there is remorse and he s going to take what s been going on in las vegas, the rally, what he s saying and all of the things that he saying now really don t show remorse. and i think that is going to have an impact. i m not saying he s going to incarcerate him, but i do think as to whether it s probation or house arrest or community service he s going to go with something that s a little more serious. so mark the way that it was described, brynn reporting, the way that trump handled himself today was that he was polite and respectful and accommodating to the probation officer. and the obviously the commissioner in the general counsel, who were also present for the new york parole commission. i m sorry, probation commission. but this is the first time of foreign presidents ever been in a situation like this. mark, you ve been in situations like this hundreds of times with clients. so does the judge already have his mind made up when you hear a accommodating, polite and respectful. does that mean anything considering what trump says about this, judge? pretty much daily i think it was a pragmatic approach that he should be respectful to probation officer interviewing him. i ve never had general counsel show up at the hundreds that i ve ever been on. i ve also never had the commission shouldn t have department of corrections show up. so obviously, everyone s looking at this very, very carefully. but aaron, as we talked about last week, i do think that this judge as most judges who sat through the trial before sentencing, have most of their mind made up 90% or so. this is not going to, i think move the needle very much because everyone knows who don t trump is. everyone knows about the facts of the case, which really interesting is whether or not they took this opportunity to give a written statement or a verbal statement of his position. i m almost surprised if he didn t just because of who he is, although i tell my clients never to give a written or verbal statement at this stage wait until you get in front of the judge all right. well, we ll see the mark. i want to ask you about one other thing here because it trump obviously was in this interview today means i m rudy giuliani, right? who was at the helm of this, his efforts to overturn state election results was he had his mug shot taken america county and arizona a process in phoenix after pleading not guilty to charges of trying to overturn the election, they re just looking at this picture and he s got a blue and a white star tie on. i tried to smile, i guess. i mean, mark, what s your reaction looking at that mug shot? it s insulting to the process to be honest, i remember rudy when i grew up in new york and all of that good stuff, america s mayor, like you mentioned, it s just sad that we re getting to the point where on the same day from a president, maybe a future president is getting your probation interview. and the former mayor of america is getting a mug shot taken heavy, said that he knows the respective should give the process he hasn t done it recently, but he knows and you don t smile, you don t look away from the camera. you give the respect even at the process of a mug shot, to respect the process that quite honestly, he was sworn to protect for decades and it s when will you say right? i mean, he s mocking it by the smile. it s not, not of a state of mind, it s a mocking. my goal when we talk of trump allies, it s actually very relevant here in the context of the probation conversation because florida governor ron desantis, they obviously were rivals for a time. they were allies, then rivals. and now here we are but desantis could actually be the one who oversees whatever sentence trump gets, right? right. so the way this works is a little known part of probation national e coli interstate compact. and if you re sentenced in a jurisdiction, but you happen to live in another jurisdiction, which is the case here, right. sentenced in new york lives in florida most of the time through the interstate compact, the supervision of that case will be done in a jurisdiction that the person lives in. so under normal circumstances, if he was sentenced to probation, they would make a request to be transferred to florida probation. right? those requests are normally fulfilled. i think this one there may be a little more of a discussion then they re normally is, but that agency is, as you say controlled by the governor and floor. so how he really has to check in or the way he s treated that would could potentially be the decision of governor to potentially the that compact gives wide berth to the receiving agency as they re called and the general rule is that agency treats this person as they do similar people there are no services, no similar people and it s a terrorist. what s the process here is my mega is point out this is the first step. it s a month from tomorrow that we re actually going to get the sentencing unless it s delayed. so the process here is what then trump s team files for what they think the sentence should be. and there s a whole lot of back-and-forth exactly what one of the things that the probation officer will be doing. they don t just have to interview some thinking interview family members. they can talk to prior victims if there were any victims in this case, it s victimless, so to speak, but they re going to be continuing to do their investigation. the judge is doing his research by the way, he is looking at how many similar people have had these types of charges and what has been their sentence. so he s doing that. and meanwhile, the attorneys obviously are working on their recommendations. both the prosecution and the defense. all right. well, thank you all very much. next we do at breaking news on the jury, deliberating in the hunter biden trial tonight, his family turning out in force today. the prosecution warrants the jury about by this family presence in the courtroom plus protests, breaking out tonight 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three counts, the president s son could serve up to 25 years in prison he could also be forced to pay up to $750,000 in fines now, when you think about that, just speak declare here as father or the president, the united states has made it clear that he will not pardon his son if he s found guilty. i ve impressed has been following this trial since the beginning. he s out from the courthouse and obviously you ve spent nowadays in days inside that courtroom, evan so the jury has this now, what can you tell us tonight well, aaron, i was in the courtroom this afternoon as both the prosecutor fusion and the defense. did their closing arguments, you could see some jurors nodding off during the 90 minutes defense closing arguments abbe lowell the lawyer for hunter biden, really focused his arguments on trying to direct the attention of the jury on things that he says shows showed shortcomings in the government s case, who pointed out that because there is no direct evidence that hunter biden was using crack cocaine in october of 20 me 18 when he bought the firearm that that is reasonable doubt as to whether he knew he was lying on the form that he filled out when he bought that gun. now, in response to that, there are kinds the prosecutor said someone who holds a crackpipe to his mouth every 15 every 15 minutes knows that they re an addict. so that s really the concise nature of this case. this is a very simple case and so now that the jury has it, we anticipate this is not going to take too long. however what we know is this, once he wanted we get a verdict from this hunter biden faces up to 25 years, possibly under this law, we don t expect that as a first-time offender, if he is convicted that he would get that much. we also anticipate that the that the judge will take at least a few weeks to set a possible sentencing. again, if there is a guilty verdict, again tomorrow, the jury is back here at 9:00 a.m. and we expect that there ll be here all day tomorrow. alright. evan, thank you very much. i mean, we ll see when that verdict comes. and that could be tomorrow, and evan will be there in that courtroom, which was packed today and notably, a number of people in the room were related to a hunter biden, including the first lady, jill biden france over the weekend, she was back. prosecutors have been telling jurors not to be swayed by the president, the presence i m sorry, of the president s family in the courtroom saying, quote, this is not evidence tom foreman s out front as the jury headed into deliberations, hunter biden s family was there in force his mother, his wife, and others packing the first rows of the courtroom this even after a brutal week of testimony, full of painful details of his infidelity, divorce for this drug addiction, and grief, all of which he acknowledged long ago i made mistakes in my life and wasted opportunities and privileges. i was afforded for that i m responsible. women in his life had played a big role in court. ex-wife, kathleen buhle, testifying that she searched hunter s car before their daughters got in and found drugs or paraphernalia on approximately a dozen occasions, his former girlfriend, zoe kestan, whom he met when she was a dancer at a club, said he appeared to be smoking crack on their first evening together. his daughter naomi tearfully took the stand in her father s defense, only to be asked by prosecutors about this text to him. i m really sorry, dad. i can t take this and first lady, jill biden has been in court to holding hands and the family line. i love hunter and i ll support him. and i in any way i can. and that s how i look at things hunters, deceased brother beau has also loomed large. witnesses have talked about the devastating impact of beau s death or cancer in 2015 hunter has said the grief was so intense it spurred or romantic relationship with beau s widow, hallie and that grief turned into a hope for a love that maybe you could replace what we lost. and it didn t work it didn t work. indeed a trial, haley said hunter introduced her to crack it was a terrible experience. she said, i m embarrassed, i m ashamed. i regret that period of my life through it all the unstoppable refrain, drugs, drugs drugs with segments of his own audio book played as evidence i possessed a new superpower, the ability to find crack and anytown at any time, no matter how unfamiliar the terrain, it was easy. and of course, president joe biden is hovering, not in person, but in spirits. his decision already made will you accept the jury s outcome, their verdict no matter what it is? yes. and have you ruled out a pardon for your son? yes this would be a difficult bit of testimony for any family in this country to endure. i am sure, but with a member of that family seeking to hold onto the white house knowing the whole nation is watching, just makes it more so. aaron, tom, thank you very much. and ryan goodman is here, so ryan just going through that, how many people were in the room when you think about it ex-wife, sister-in-law, former girlfriend his his stepmother, joe biden, all of them in that room. what does that do to the jury? so, i, think it can make the defendant to look like a more sympathetic character, especially because you ve got this audio tape, which i think some of what they re playing, it makes him seem very creepy. and he s talking about criminal conduct in a sense. but here you have the family that s showing love and support for a person who is giving the image of being rehabilitated and so that could be sympathetic to the jury, and that s why the prosecutors maybe felt like they had to say something to try to defuse that, to say that s something separate from whether or not he s criminally guilty of the alleged right, which they re trying to say, don t look at who s in the room. it s not about the case, but is defense attorney abbe lowell as devin was referring to, said during his closing closing statement that hallie biden, who was bows wife, who at one point, as hundred talking about was hit dated hunter after beau s death, did something incredibly stupid. that s how abbe lowell put it when she threw out hunter biden s gun and your source, with the things you do for love in that instance, is that a good move with this jury? do you think i guess the context here is they were nodding off during his 90 minute closing all right. so i think he might need to say certain things to try to charge them up and focus back in on him. but that s especially using that kind of language against hallie biden that could come across as a sexes trope to identify her as such. and then the defendant is not somebody who s engaging in stupid but the woman someone exactly. and with that many women on the jury, it s not a good move and it s just wide wave and say something like that. they could just say, look, i don t like this. i don t like this. defense council. i don t trust him and part of his narrative that he s trying to sell me on includes that element in it and that s not persuasive. so again, interesting, as evan said, a few of them were nodding off during that closing. one hour of deliberations today, how soon do you think we got a verdict? i think we could get the verdict tomorrow and not in the way in which when if you get a very early verdict, you often think it is they re gonna be a guilty verdict. that s just having a manhattan with donald trump. i think the case is very straightforward. it s only a week s worth of testimony for both sides. and the law is very straightforward as well. so it s three charges all around the same set of facts over lemon day period i think they could come back tomorrow with guilty or acquittal or hung jury, and we surprised that president biden said he would not pardon his son. i don t think so. i think that he really has to the ground of that. he needs to be separate from this and that he s trying to restore faith and the justice department and in some ways, our criminal 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seizure all done? bother launch a landslide defeat for french president emmanuel macron s party in the european elections is a diesel donc swa less some blurriness, you macone immediately dissolving french parliament and calling for snap elections in france. so this is young the decision is serious, a hard one he said, but it is above all, an act of confidence, confidence in you, my fellow citizens the call came is the far-right as somone, as soon as one around twice as many votes in the election as macron s party sluggish economies in many european countries and the migration crisis similar to the southern border in the us, where the top issues for voters across europe many of the right-wing parties gaining ground, also sympathetic to russian leader vladimir putin like my thinking lappin of the asam, the mona s you now, who s been a kremlin out? for years. they processor. so this premier, the french have spoken and this historic election shows that when the people vote, the people, when she said in germany, chancellor olaf scholz s party also suffered a beat down coming in third behind the right-wing alternative for germany or afd, the afd with big gains even after their main candidate claimed there were decent people and hitler s buffon, ss and employed and accused a chinese spy in his office during the election campaign we had a bumpy start to the election campaign and then really caught up in the final sprint, the party chairman said after all the prophecies of dual after the barrage of the last weeks, we are the second strongest force europe s far-right, often skeptical of relations with the us. will be a strong force in europe s parliament, hungry. and one of former president donald trump s strongest allies in europe viktor orban of hungary, also an eu skeptic at a strong show i guess to sum up the results of the european parliamentary election, we can send in a telegram to brussels saying migration, stop gender, stop the war, stop soro, stop russell s stop. he said and aaron in various european countries, the centrist forces lost ground to those far-right parties and just i ll give you an idea of how dire the situation there isn t some places are here in germany, normally, the green party attracts a lot of young voters, but this time around, the greens actually lost a lot of young voters. and many of them went to the right alternative for germany. aaron, we ll questions and raising real questions here in the us, fred, thanks. thank you. and i want to go out adjacent van tatenhove. he s a former spokesman for the far-right oath keepers group, testified before the january 6 select committee, and he s also the author of the perils of extremism. how i left the oath keepers and why we should be concerned about a future civil war well, jason, i m glad to be speaking with you again because you can put real perspective on this. you know, the far-right movement in the united states. so well how emboldened are they by what we are now seeing happened tonight across europe? well, i think it does play a part. i think you know, what happens here. ripples across the world in that happens back-and-forth those victories are going to be seen as a victory here too, that there s momentum growing and i think we need to take it as kind of a dire warning as to where we really are right now, even with a front runner that is just been found guilty of so many charges it just doesn t seem to matter. there s certainly momentum growing you see it as a dire warning. i mean, we have seen jayson to your point a disturbing rise in rhetoric, violent rhetoric and threats since trump was convicted, axios reported another far-right group, the proud boys, wrote in a website hope these jurors face some street justice and don t be surprised, you know, this was going to happen stand back and standby. this is far from over. we promise. so stand back and stand by. of course, the words that trump himself had used in 2020. and someone told the pro-trump right-side broadcasting network, which is something many may not have heard of who watch this program, but it s out there and at a trump rally over the weekend, they said this we re in a, third world nation now. so yeah, i would expect it at some point that like it ll break out into violence. i mean, at this point there yet they re using the courts against their opponents we ve seen that before, so we know what s next yeah we re a third world nation now, and i would expect it ll break out into violence what are the threats and the talk of violence that you are seeing and hearing right now that were you most you know, really what worries me most is where it s coming from and my thought process. that s from trump this really seems to have evolved past what i would call stochastic terrorism, where you have a message that goes out. it seems to be passing a threshold where i think really he s just putting out this messaging and if you look at the emails that have been going out last week or so, the rhetoric is getting more extreme it s according that line of direct violent action more and more and unfortunately that audience, there, members of that audience consuming those messages that may take action that looked to be preparing to take action and that s a very concerning to me. when you say looked to be preparing to take action, do you really believe that there is sort of i don t know how organized you would describe it as, but that there really are those preparations that stand back and stand, stand back and stand by i think we would be foolish not to take them at their word i think that absolutely there we saw kind of an evolution of tactics after january 6 and during the prosecution s that happened with the people involved where it kinda it moved away from these, these big national groups and big national events to hyperlocal going after the drag storytelling hours and such. but now i think we re seeing a shift again where we re going back and there is a reorganization happening and i think we re going to see more coming from that national, those national groups that they are definitely ready to reappear. i will jason, i appreciate your time sobering warning. as you say, a dire warning that you re putting out are but thank you. next, a secret new recording of justice samuel alito, plus i m going to speak to the former new jersey governor, christine todd whitman. she put her reputation on the leinz. she endorsed alito during his confirmation hearing. she was the one there her face was out there. does she now regret it plus apple trying to play catch up to accompany now, there s a company worth more than the iphone maker and the ceo of that company has net worth is now 100 billion he says he s just getting started devastating and sudden power of tsunamis. it happened in faraway lands and it s easy to think it can t happen here if one hits home, will we d be ready silent birth with liev schreiber, sunday at night on cnn doug lima someone 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a liberal documentary filmmaker who represented herself to alito as a religious conservative and secretly recorded their conversation, which was obtained by rolling stone. now, we have not obtained the full audio here is a part of it that they ve put out for you to hear one side or the other there can be the way of working our. way of living together, please it s different because there are differences. one fundamental things that really it s not like what the difference this comes as a leader was embroiled in controversy after the new york times reported that an upside down american flag flew outside his home in northern virginia in january 2021. it was, of course, a standard flat a standard bearer of january 6 protesters, as well as the second flag, one carried by the insurrectionist on january 6, it flew outside his vacation homes. so two different flags, both used on that day, out front now for republican governor of new jersey, christine todd whitman, who introduced alito at his confirmation hearing back in 2006. recommended him to the senate judiciary committee. so governor whitman, i really appreciate your time and obviously it s been a long time, nearly 20 years since you did that and you publicly vouched for alito you spoke out for him? and now time has passed and you see him things he has done. you see his defiance admits this flag controversy. does this make you see him differently or regret your support? absolutely. without question i mean, i was willing to support him because i looked back at his record and when i was appointing justices particularly the supreme court or any of the judge s. what i look for is how many times said they ve been overturned? did they write clear opinions and were they able to judge cases based on the facts presented to them in that case. and i actually saw a case that judge alito had actually had decided in favor of a plaintiff. it was clearly against what his personal convictions were relative to the matter of choice send abortion. and so my feeling was okay, he s shown that he will put aside his personal convictions to judge and decide a case based on the facts presented in that case unfortunately, since he s gone to the supreme court, that s just seemed to have gone by the wayside. yeah. i mean, obviously i wrote that wrote that opinion in roe v. wade in the letter to congress about the flag, alito said his wife flew the upside down flag because she was greatly distressed. those were his words by disputes with a neighbor and explaining his wife s motivation to fly the flag. he wrote, quote, house on the street displayed a sign attacking her personally a man who was living in the house at the time trailed her all the way down the street and buried her in my presence using foul language, including what i regard as the violet epithet that can be addressed to a woman. now, i spoke to emily baden. she was the neighbor and the dispute she put up the sign alito refers to which he said didn t refer to mrs. alito at all her husband are now husband is demand and alito mentioned in the statement, but she by the way, was the one who used the epithet in alito s presence. it was not her husband, as he said, but i want to play for you, governor, specifically, something crucial. she told me about alitos claim about the flag i just want to emphasize that the interaction that happened on february 15th is the one that they re using as an excuse for why they flew the flag. and i really want to hammer home the fact that that happened on february 15, and their flag went up two or three weeks before that, at best, he s mistaken, but at worst he s just outright lying the flag was flying before the altercation that alito says was the reason that the flag was put up, right? that s what she lays out very clearly. he wrote his version of things, governor in a letter to congress you re not allowed to lie to congress or they re serious penalties to that should he address this contradiction? well, first of all, it gets very tired and you see these guys pulling their wives. i mean, khan really it besides it is disrespectful of the united states of america. that s america slag it s not if you have a controversy with your neighbor, you deal with it with your neighbor, call the police if you want, use the courts, he should know about that. but you don t fly the american flag upside down. and as you mentioned before, it s a very clear signal two people who were part of the insurrection, and then how does he explain the other flag at their, at their other home? i mean, is his wife just doing that without his knowing and without his caring. when you assume a role like such as the supreme court justice you have a certain standard. you set a message, you set a standard for the entire court. the court comes under scrutiny when this kind of thing happens as it has already anyway, for a couple of other issues and they re having and the lack of it seems standards while his wife, isabel, quite for my wife is fond of flying flags i am not. my wife was solely responsible yeah. you find that jarring really? yeah. come on. man up at least. and if your wife did it, you should have seen it when you walked in the door and said, that s got to come down and then make an apology. say that was all a mistake. but say she put it up upside down by mistake for pete s sakes, but you don t you don t ignore it. let it hang and let the other one fly as well. you deal with them immediately. you re held to a different level of it. this is just a basic thing. i don t care whether it s a supreme court justice or not. that is so disrespectful to the, to the american flag. i mean, he won t rigueur some january 6 related cases he did write an opinion in 2021, actually, for the supreme court about a flag outside boston city hall. and in it he said that anybody who is looking at it would conclude that all of those flags convey some message on the government s behalf. he wrote that he was saying, if you fly a flag outside the boston city hall, people are assumed that s the view of the boston city hall government. but yet when it comes to himself, he says, it s my wife s fall it is their real hypocrisy. there is one statement oh, absolutely. i think it s very clear the unfortunate thing is, no one seems to really care and it doesn t appear is if the chief justice is going to do anything about it i mean, they ve adopted supposedly standards of content of conduct, but they re going to be judging themselves and somebody inside they re gonna be looking at each other to say what s appropriate and clarence thomas is a whole another issue. so the court right now is not in the best odor, shall we say with the american people and the real tragedy here is that when the american people lose faith and the justice system, we re going to really dangerous place. and we shouldn t, we shouldn t be here. it s not a good place to be. we have to have faith in our justices we have to assume that they are going 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that s going to do it for us tonight. i told you it was going to be a show and a half. now, it is time for the last word with lawrence o donnell. that evening, rachel. i listened to episode one of the new podcast today, and i ve got to ask you a favor. could you stop doing this thing where you reveal really dramatic, interesting stories about united states senators i ve never heard of? because, one of the angles of me getting a paycheck out of this place is i pretend that i m like the senate expert around here because i worked there for a while and this is not helpful, rachel. i spend the day listening to you tell me about a senator i ve never heard of and by the way, the single most dramatic thing that has ever occurred in the russell senate office building where i used to work and i did not know what happened until today listening to you, and it s not supposed to be like that. i m very sorry. i will start doing podcasts that are about like state legislatures and states you ve never been to. and rachel, i am filled with questions and possible spoiler questions that you are free to deflect, but could you possibly join me after i get a little worked on here about donald trump s probation, to talk about the podcast because there are just so many things i want to see if you can answer and then of course there are things you might not want to answer. i would love it. i look forward to answering your questions and to dodging them. all right. just get into your slippers well i do a little chat with andrew wiseman. thank you, i will see you in a minute. today was a routine workday for america s 93,900 probation officers. but, one of those probation officers had the least routine workday of that probation officers life today when that probation officer in new york city became the first probation officer in history to interview a former president of the united states. donald trump s first probation interview today is a standard and necessary part of determining what sentence donald trump should receive after a manhattan jury found him guilty of 34 felony charges of falsifying business records with criminal intent to violate new york election law and the 2016 presidential election. the probation department will use donald trump s responses to date to determine what sentence the probation department will recommend for defendant trump at his sentencing hearing on july 11th. in yet another demonstration of donald trump getting extra favorable treatment while he is complaining of being persecuted, judge merchan allowed donald trump s defense lawyer to attend the first probation meeting and allowed the meeting to take place virtually with donald trump in florida. special treatment for donald trump did not go unnoticed by the legal aid society, vermont defenders, new york county defender services and neighborhood defender services. they issued a joint statement saying all people convicted of crimes should be allowed counsel in their probation interview, not just billionaires. this is just another example of the two-tiered system of justice. presentencing interviews with probation officers influence sentencing and public defenders are deprived of joining their clients for these meetings. the option of joining these interviews virtually is typically not extended to the people we represent either. to ensure integrity and fairness, we call on nyc department of probation to ensure that all new yorkers, regardless of income, status or class, receive the same presentencing opportunities. nbc news is reporting that the interview lasted less than 30 minutes and that donald trump s probation officer is a woman. cnn is reporting that the commissioner for the new york city department of probation was present, along with general counsel for the department. joining our discussion now is martin horn, former commissioner of new york city s department of probation. thank you very much for joining us tonight. first of all, we want to get a sense of how unusual this was. we already have the sense that it was a bit unusual, but as to the presence of counsel and it being remote, you have these people representing other defendants, saying that is never available to us. that is correct. it is highly unusual. i think it is appropriate to make some accommodation and recognize the fact that when trump shows up his going to be accompanied by secret service. he s going to be accompanied by the press, and his presence might be disruptive, so the idea of doing the interview remotely doesn t trouble me that much. i think it is somewhat appropriate and certainly during covid, we made use of these remote kinds of interviews. i think you could make arguments both ways. the presence of counsel is highly unusual, and the presence of the commissioner is something i have never heard of in 40 years in this business. can you think of a reason for doing it if you are a commissioner at the time, would you do it? would you join that meeting? no. i cannot think of a reason to do it. i think it skews the interview. i think too many people in the room is distracting and disruptive and not conducive to candor, so no. i definitely would not have done it and i don t think it should ve been done in this case. 30 minutes is the report we are getting. what do you make of that? sounds abbreviated to me. usually these things take at least an hour. the content of what this interview was supposed to cover, and what the court is supposed to address is spelled out very explicitly in state regulations and it goes on in some length that it covers a wide array of issues. i don t believe they could be addressed and half hour unless mr. trump just refused to discuss all of them, which was certainly his right to do. there is reporting that he did cooperate and answer all the questions. i m not sure whether that is completely true but i m assuming that. what do you think are the most important things they should have obtained in this discussion? the judge certainly knows the defendants. he does not need to know much more. i think the important question to be addressed here was aggravating or mitigating circumstances. this was an opportunity for the defendant to set forth mitigating circumstances, and for the probation officer on behalf of the people to set forth any aggravating circumstances, but perhaps most importantly is the question of whether, if this individual is not sent to prison, but is granted probation, is this an individual who is likely to accept the terms of that probation and the supervision of a probation officer? and, what with the terms of probation be, and what would that supervision be like? all i can speak to is the typical case and obviously this is not the typical case, but typically a probationer would be expected to report to the probation office periodically, certainly no less than monthly at first, to keep the probation officer apprised of his or her comings and goings, certainly not to engage in illegal activities, not to associate with individuals engaged in illegal activities, certainly not to miss use drugs and alcohol, to fulfill his or her financial obligations both to his or her dependents, but also any fines or restitution that has been ordered. what about associating with people who have been convicted of crimes, many people around donald trump has been convicted of crimes. historically this has been discouraged by probation agencies around the country. it has been liberalized somewhat recently but i think it is something the probation officer appropriately would discuss with the individual to determine whether it is the association that is occurring for a good reason or not. thank you very much for joining us tonight and sharing your expertise. this evening in florida, donald trump s favorite federal judge whom he appointed, denied trump s request to dismiss the case against him for violations of the espionage and act and illegal possession of classified documents. she wrote checks myths prosecution or other permitted by law, raise evidentiary challenges not appropriate at this juncture and/or do not require dismissal even if technically deficient so long as the jury is instructed appropriately and presented with adequate forms as to which defendants alleged conduct. judge cannon did grant trump request to strike one paragraph of the indictment about donald trump s alleged meeting with a representative of his political action committee believed to be his campaign adviser, susie wiles, and his golf club in bedminster, new jersey in 2021. the indictment says donald trump showed that person a classified map at that time. judge cannon said that because showing that map is not one of the charged crimes in the indictment, it is quote, not appropriate to include it in the indictment. in the ongoing scandal that is the united states supreme court, now there are tapes, thanks to lauren wednesday, winsor, who was interviewed by julie reid earlier this evening. lauren windsor is a progressive activist known to approach important republican people pretending to be an hour, making flattering comments than secretly recording their responses. she is a dues-paying member of the supreme court historical society, which has corrupted itself into an organization that allows right-wing supreme court influencers to comfortably influence right- wing supreme court justices at the annual dinner of that organization. last year at the supreme court historical society s annual dinner, lauren windsor made recordings of her chats with supreme court justices that even she found so uninteresting she did not publish them. this year was different. she got samuel alito to agree on tape to the goal of returning the country to quote, a place of godliness. is a catholic and as someone who like really cherishes my faith, i just don t know that we can negotiate with the left and the way that needs to happen for the polarization to end. i think it s a matter of like winning. i think you re probably right. one side or the other is going to win. i don t know. i mean, there can be a way of living together peacefully, but it s difficult you know because there are differences on fundamental things that really can t be compromised, so it s not like we re going to split the difference. that s what i m saying. i think that the solution really is like winning the moral argument, like people in this country who believe in god love got to keep fighting for that to return our country to a place of godliness. i agree with you. by contrast, chief justice roberts responded very differently. you don t think there s like a role for the court in like guiding us toward a more moral path? no. i think the role for the court is deciding the cases. that is for the people we elect. that s not for lawyers. i guess i believe the founders were godly, like were christians, and i think that we live in a christian nation and that our supreme court should be guiding us in that path. yeah, i don t know that we live in a christian nation. i know a lot of jewish and those muslim friends would say maybe not. let s not our job to do that. our job is to decide the cases as best we can. and samuel alito made his wife very much a public figure by blaming her publicly for flying flags supportive of the january 6 insurrection at the capital at their homes, you might expect mrs. alito to have little to say to strangers about flags. and you would be wrong. what you think they re coming after you? i mean like the whole like appeal to heaven flag was like right. the other thing is feminazis believe they should be in control. feminazis was a term coined by rush limbaugh. fox news had not even been invented yet and so samuel alito s wife is quoting material from rush limbaugh that is over 30 years old. that is how long she has apparently been listening and taking direction from the likes of rush limbaugh. you know what i want? i want a sacred heart of jesus like because i have to look across the lagoon at the flag. for the next month and he s like oh, please don t put up a flag. i said i will do it because i m deferring to you but when you are free of this nonsense, i am putting it up and i m going to send them a message every day, and every week i m changing the flags. this is how i satisfy myself. i made a flag into white and it is yellow and orange flames around it and is the word for shaman italian. andrew weissmann, msnbc legal analyst and co-author of the best-selling book, the trump indictments. andrew, this is quite an interesting window of sound into the thinking of senator alito and chief justice roberts. well, the description from both of them could not be more striking in terms of where the country is, and you know, we are hearing from a man who is the principal architect for the reversal after 50 years of roe versus wade. his thinking is in that decision is, i think, just this week as his thinking that was shown in the letter he submitted trying to justify the flag incident, and you also have this dichotomy because you have the chief justice saying what is of course the correct thing to say, and we are on the eve of getting a decision on presidential immunity and it is a real sort of blot on this country and the judicial system had to be so direct that you have justice alito and justice thomas sitting on decisions that is not the way the country is supposed to be operated. it s not the way the court is supposed to be operating and their conduct is reflected on these tapes but their conduct in many ways even without these tapes is something that is really besmirching a really important branch of government in this country that we are entitled to count on and it is very hard to have faith in the system when you have that kind of conduct in these types of tape recordings coming out. we also have in these tapes now something very close to proving that samuel alito supreme court justice lied, lied publicly about the flags and the reason for the flags being up because here is the person who he is blaming on the flags being up saying she wants to do these flags just because of the flags that other people have including the pride flag that somehow is oppressive to her. absolutely. there is nothing in there about a response and we know that even that story, the timing of that story did not make any sense in terms of what it was supposed to be in response to, as we have now heard with respect to the police report and the neighbor across the way, and so what is really amazing to me is that there is just zero accountability of the supreme court and that is where chief justice roberts is much as he may be a good man personally and obviously said the right things which you don t really get credit for that for saying the right thing because that is what is expected but that is where he is to blame for not taking stronger action and there are a number of things he can do that would put more pressure on two justices who are really not upholding their oath of office in a way that helps this country , whatever side you are on. if you saw this from a so- called liberal justice i think we would be just as outraged and of course you would hear just as much but rightly from the far right that it is not appropriate behavior. you know, i will speak for me and i think this applies to you. i spent most of my life finding it inconceivable that we would be doing a story about a supreme court justice lying and lying about something important in public that affects the integrity of the courts on decisions and i am now realizing in retrospect that the reason that was inconceivable was really the supreme court justices themselves who we grew up with, who could not possibly step in these things the way samuel alito and clarence thomas have, but especially a leader with the flags and his wife making his comments to a stranger about the flags that have become something far beyond controversial. the flags that they are flying that share the spirit of the january 6 insurrection, all of that just completely inconceivable not because of any ethics enforcement body, but simply before because who was actually serving on the supreme court, whether we agree with them or not during most of our lifetimes. i want to point out one other aspect of what he was hurt now on tape saying, which is that the christian nation should be brought more to be a christian nation and as a jewish-american, that is not what our country is about. there is an establishment clause that is supposed to separate our religious beliefs which everyone is entitled to their own, but it is not established by the government, and that principal is very much under attack right now with at least five, if not six justices, but hearing that from justice alito s mouth basically just rips off any sort of pretense as to what is going on, and it really tells you very much how dishonest the dobbs decision was that reversed roe versus wade, this idea of we are sending it back to the states. that is not what is going on. this was part of a religious fervor that was animating what was going on, and you have justice alito really just saying it out loud, whether you like the idea of the tape recordings happening in the way they were done is neither here nor there, because you know, there was nothing that prevented him from responding in a way that justice roberts responded, which was entirely correct. the tape reveals the profound depths of the stupidity of samuel alito. we are out of time for this discussion. andrew weissmann, thank you very much for joining us tonight. coming up, our next guest needs either a very long introduction or no introduction. i will decide which one during a commercial break. rachel maddow joins us next. has grown me the best garden i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. this soil will blow you away. it s the martha stewart of soil. nothing dims my light like a migraine. with 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for verizon wireless. so he sublet half his real estate office. i think some of them [ bird squawks loudly ] to a pet shop. meg s moving company uses t-mobile. so she scaled down her fleet to save money. and don s paying so much for at&t, he s been waiting to update his equipment! there s a smarter way to save. comcast business mobile. you could save up to 70% on your wireless bill. so you don t have to compromise. powering smarter savings. powering possibilities. wyoming in the 1940s. wonderful wyoming, state of promise, land of far horizons. horizons, promise, also, pigeons. lots of pigeons. there was a serious infestation of pigeons. that is roger mcdaniel, a wyoming historian and author. he also served in both houses of the wyoming state legislature, and the pigeon infestation he is talking about was that his old workplace at the wyoming state capital. that is the start of season two of rachel maddow presents ultra, the broadcast in which rachel once again introduces us to a u.s. senator i have never heard of. lester hunt is the man who climbed out on the window ledges at the state capital to drop poison to kill the pigeons. lester hunt, when he did this, was the newly elected governor of the state of wyoming. it gives me pleasure to introduce to you at this time the honorable lester hunt, governor of wyoming. he set his sights on the u.s. senate and he won that race. a distinguished guest for the evening is the honorable lester c. hunt, the senator from wyoming. the most popular politician in his state. lester hunt, newly elected u.s. senator, he heads to washington to do what he has always done, to advocate for his constituents, the people of wyoming and also to try to do some good for the rest of the country. he is as poised as anyone could be for success in that job, but things are about to change for him radically. what he is about to encounter in washington will cost him his life. he will not live to see the end of even one term as a u.s. senator. joining us now is rachel maddow. you can get the first episode of ultra, second season now anywhere you get your podcast or subscribe to msnbc premium on the apple podcast up to get every episode early and add free. rachel, i can t take it. listen. we have 10 minutes. it s just us. tell me all the rest of it right now. like i can t wait for the next episode, just go. so then what happens? well, and then there is us at the end of it. it becomes the america that we know. i m not going to tell you the whole story. thank you so much for letting me come onto your show to talk about it and for listening to it and for liking it. lester hunt is i mean, he is not a completely forgotten figure, but the thing things went so badly for him very quickly after he got to washington that went i have tried to do in episode one is create the lost sense of possibility. he really did lose his life to the scandal i am writing about and working on in this podcast and it is a huge loss for the country because he did have a long, bright future ahead of him if everything leading up to his life and that moment was anything to go by and i feel like i have become really good at resurrecting old villains we had forgotten about from history, but lester hunt is one of the good guys that we need to unearth and remember his legacy, too, and the loss of him is something that went really wrong with extremism in american politics. it is something we should regret and remember and commemorate. yes, so he is a democrat getting elected in republican ohio wyoming, a difficult thing to do and impressive no matter when you hear that. he is kind of the jon tester of his time there in that situation. but, apparently very naove when he gets to washington in such a way, and i m speaking beyond what i know because all i know is episode one but clearly, he gets eaten up by washington, so this is a drama about more than him. so, what happens with him, and you will get there very quickly in the next couple of episodes, is that he is confronted in the senate with the first major thing he does in the senate. there is another senator who is in the opposite party, who is his opposite number and this other senator gets involved in a nazi propaganda campaign, this dirty false conspiracy theory tale that is designed to hurt the united states, and lester hunt realizes what this other senator is doing. he is repulsed by it in the come to loggerheads in the senate over this thing the other senator is trying to advance in part of the reason i wanted to do this story is learning that while that is happening, while there becoming mortal enemies in the united states senate, they also lived next door to one another, and their backyards back up onto one in each and others houses and how they have decided they re out to destroy each other, they can see how each other is living, and that only ratchets up the revulsion lester hunt has for this other senator and he just decides you know what? i m going to take the political risk. i ve got to stand up against a monster like this and he does and it is for the good of the country and cost him his life, but what he is fighting for, and the reason he is fighting against that foreign influence operation in washington and the low down dirty depth some people were willing to go to for political gain is an inspiration to me even though it cost him his life. so, the first season of ultra taught us about the poll that fascism had in the united states, the attraction it had for some people, how far they were willing to go to advance the cause of fascism here, and that is pre-world war ii and into world war ii, that story, and this takes us to a period after world war ii where it hasn t you make the point that those people, most of them tended to disappear after pearl harbor, but that did not mean they stop thinking what they were thinking. it also did not mean they went away in politics. one of the things you and i talked about a lot with season one is that it became kind of a forgotten story, the great sedition trial, all the americans who sort of worked with a nazi agent who wanted nazis to win world work two were defeated in the united states and that means we forgot their stories and we forgot them pretty quickly. when they were all kind of let go and didn t get prosecuted for it, not successfully prosecuted for it or in the case of members of congress, none of them were prosecuted at all, their story was mostly forgotten and those of them that stayed in public life kept being the same kind of people they were before, and so, for example, one of the characters in season two is a guy who was part of the silver shirts and linked to the german-american phone that was riding for charles conklin s publication. those are all entities we learned about an altar season one. in season two, he ends up being the subject of an international years long manhunt by the united states government. they believe him to not be just an american fascist, but an american fascist and a traitor and possibly a nuclear terrorist. so, it just gets worse when these people get away and he ends up involved with a republican senator who is a sitting senator in the united states senate, so when you let these folks get away with things, it is important you at least keep tabs on them to see where else they re going to turn up, because it s never good. so, how many episodes, rachel? eight. and those of us who want 16 or 24, what do we do? so, you tell stories in your show that are similar to this. they tend to be 20 to 25 minutes, something like that. each podcast episode is significantly longer than that. what is the difference for you as a storyteller in the way you approach the podcast as opposed to the way you approach the show? very good question. so, the podcast is basically a little book. or a tv show, like if you think about it if you put of the episode links together it ends up being something that i want to be able to hold your attention for about four or five hours. in order to hold your attention for that time, it has to be well told. we use a lot of archival audio, a lot of historical audio. finding the wyoming audio archives to get the sound of lester hunt s voice was an incredible odyssey and super fun, but the idea is that this is a single story arc that cannot be told in the course of a tv show. you need to stick with it for an eight-episode arc but by the time you get to the end of it, you should ve learned a whole nothing about american history and hopefully be propelled along the way by the dramatic interest in it, so that it sticks. i want these stories to be memorable. i m not just interested in these stories because they are not well known. i think they should be well known. like, we should all remember lester hunt. we should all remember there was an internationally wanted american fascist fugitive who was involved with the republican senator at the onset of the cold war. we should understand what happens when the great sedition trial in the united states and with all of those people getting away and all of those seditionist movements effectively getting away without ever being held criminally accountable for what they ve been charged with. i want those stories to be vernacular, to be part of the way we think about our history as americans in dealing with really strong, antidemocratic challenges, because we have a strong antidemocratic challenge right now so we should do what is in our armamentarium of options for how to respond to it and what has worked well in the past and what is not. and, the key to this kind of great drama is even if you don t care about democracy, and i don t understand you if you don t, but if you don t care about democracy, this is still great drama with great characters, perfectly told by america s friendliest voice to tell you scary things. the good news is, these scary things are kind of over, except there are big threads of them still with us now. rachel, by the way, an alternative name for altar that you could have considered it s more letters, but stuff lawrence o donnell doesn t know. that could be the title but it s hard to squeeze it into a small state space. i like america s friendliest voice for telling you scary stories. i may hit you up for the copyright on that. you got it, it s yours. thank you, lawrence. thank you, rachel. can t wait for more episodes. thank you. remember, you can listen to the first episode of alters second season everywhere you listen to your podcast. coming up, there have been only two presidents in the history of the united states who have issued pardons to members of their family. president biden has promised he will not become the third as leger deliberates the case against hunter biden. that is next with andrew weissmann. is next with andrew weissmann. cologuard is for people 45+ at average risk, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider for cologuard. i did it my 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well, before we get to that i want to point out that compared to the opening where we talked about justice alito and the concern about the rule of law in this country, this is an example, as was the new york criminal trial, of the rule of law working for you see the courts function even when you re dealing with the former president or in this case, the son of the current president. i think they re focusing on intent. the proof here is very strong that there was possession of the gun. there is very strong evidence of the addiction hunter biden had, and the issue is, was healed she aware during the relative time periods when he signed the form that said essentially he was not an addict, did he believe that he, at that point, was an addict and also during the time he possessed of the gun, for about a two-week period, did he believe he was an addict? in other words, there is an intent requirement. making a mistake is not for criminal law. that s for civil law but this is a criminal case so i think they re going to be focused on that. also there is sufficient proof, if the jury wants to find it, but abby lowell is an extremely good defense lawyer and we will see if he pulls a rabbit out of the hat, but i think the big picture for the public is less what happens in this case and the fact that you have a president of the united states living the rule of law in this country, and you have the rule of law working, even for the president s son. andrew weissmann, thank you very much. we will be right back. very muc. we will be right back. for pneumococcal pneumonia. i m getting prevnar 20 because there s a chance. .pneumococcal pneumonia could put me in the hospital. if you re 19 or older with certain chronic conditions. like asthma, diabetes, copd, or heart disease, .or are 65 or older, you are at increased risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. prevnar 20® is approved in adults. .to help prevent infections from 20 strains of the bacteria that cause pneumococcal pneumonia. in just one dose. don t get prevnar 20® if you ve had a severe allergic reaction to the vaccine or its ingredients. adults with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects were pain and swelling at the injection site, muscle pain, fatigue, headache, and joint pain. i want to be able to keep my plans. just one dose can help protect me from pneumococcal pneumonia. that s why i chose prevnar 20®. ask your doctor or pharmacist about the pfizer vaccine for pneumococcal pneumonia. for moderate to severe crohn s disease skyrizi is the first il-23 inhibitor that can deliver remission and visibly improve damage of the intestinal lining. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine or plan to. liver problems may occur in crohn s disease. control of crohn s means everything to me. ask your gastroenterologist about skyrizi. control is everything to me learn how abbvie could help you save. choose advil liqui-gels for faster, stronger and longer-lasting relief than tylenol rapid release gels because advil targets pain at the source of inflammation. so for faster pain relief, advil the pain away. chris counahan for leaffilter the permanent gutter solution that protects your home in so many ways, it takes more than one chris to explain it. but together, i think we ve got the job covered. like leaffilter s has your gutters covered. protecting you from getting up on this thing to clean out your gutters ever again. and you know how else leaffilter protects your home? 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us. this is a time when the peace process is going through a crucial point absolutely. i mean, we ve been hearing from the us was on time now calling for more pressure to be put by their key regional allies on hamas to agree to a ceasefire proposal. we heard from hamas yesterday. welcoming, be you when resolution put forward by the united states. but of course, blinken has also been meeting with key figures in israel as all we know he met with benny gantz, who of course, step down from the war cabinet we ve heard from benny gantz since saying that he wants to see maximum pressure being applied at all parties to come to some sort of ceasefire agreement. but of course we re hearing a lot of mixed messages as well while the united states continues to reiterate that this is an israeli proposal that they believe israel will back this deal. we heard yesterday from israel s representative to the united nations, so that is what he has to say to the cameras. i just met with the families of the american okay so that s a shame, but we re going to try and get that back. he s obviously says he s meeting the families of american hostages. i think that s where he was going. yeah. i mean, getting the hostages out continues to be a key priority for the united states. a key ally of israel that continues to be a key priority. of course, for the israeli government, the israeli prime minister, what we heard yesterday from israel s representative to the united nations is that israel does not want to engage in what they described as meaningless discussions and negotiations with hamas that they will continue with their objective, not only to get all the hostages out from captivity in gaza, but also to completely diminished downgrade hamas to the point where gaza no longer poses a threat going to israel to the state of israel. now of course, that sends somewhat of a mixed message given the fact that biden has presented this peace deal as one that is, and it s really deal that has the backing of the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. and we ve heard from the biden administration saying that the us assessment at this stage is that they believe hamas has been downgraded the point where they are no longer able to carry out an attack, such as the attack that we saw on october 7. and of course, this is a three-phase deal which does set out the parameters very peaceful exchange of all the hostages currently held captive by hamas in gaza in exchange for palestinian prisoners. so those parameters are set out in the deal. it is a deal that we ve heard from hamas now saying that they welcome that they are willing and ready to work with mediators and negotiators to secure this peace agreement. and of course, what we ve inherited from the us for some time now is that the ball is firmly in hamas s cool, but we ve also heard from the state department saying that they believe this is a deal which is almost identical to a deal that hamas agree two weeks ago. so the hope is that mediators and the middle east who have been working closely with hamas will be able to secure a firm agreement from hamas whether or not israel agrees to this, that remains to be seen. this is being presented as an israeli deal, but of course prime minister netanyahu is facing mounting pressure from right-wing elements of his coalition who do not want to see this deal approved. they want to see a continuation of the war. okay. i will have more on that. and the security council decision last night. but let john thank you. that. but now to two stories dominating the law and justice landscape us the historic meeting between the former president and his probation officers and the child of the current president s son, jury deliberations will resume today in delaware, where hunter biden faces up to 25 years in prison if he s convicted of gun charges, he s pleaded not guilty for the first time ever. former us president has met with his probation officers ahead of sentencing for is 34 felony convictions. the source tells cnn trump s virtual interview was routine and uneventful. another said the former president was polite, respectful, and answered all questions cnn s a brynn gingras, as the details the former president finishing his meeting with a probation officer were told from a source that it lasted about 30 minutes and his camp calling it uneventful now it s notch clear exactly what sort of questions were asked in this meeting, but what is customary is the fact that this always happens after a defendant has either pleaded guilty or is convicted of the crime. that they re charged with. we know some of the questions that are asked are about the criminal history of that person, the family background, their financial background, did they ever abuse alcohol? for drugs, things like this? what s also not customary in this situation? of course, the fact that there is a former president as the person who is being interviewed by the probation office, but also they happen virtually. we know that the former president at mar-a-lago, he was there with his attorney. that was allowed by the judge in this case. now, what s going to happen next is that trump s defense team is going to submit their own sentencing recommendation and both that along with this report made by the probation officer, will be factored in to judge juan, were sean s decision about what sentence trump should face for being convicted on those 34 counts. just a few weeks ago. so we re waiting. of course for that. happened the sentencing date still said or july 11, brynn gingras, cnn, new york. the judge in trump s classified documents case refusing to dismiss a number of charges against the former president and his two co-defendants, judge aileen cannon did agree that some of the language in the indictment was legally unnecessary and should be removed trump is accused of keeping classified documents. so this florida resort, after he left the white house, he has claimed at various points that he didn t have the documents. he declassified the documents just by thinking about it. and that he had the right to keep the documents. the delaware courtroom, where hunter biden s federal gun trial. meanwhile, is being held, was packed with supporters of the president s son on monday. both sides presented closing arguments during the historic case, making their final appeals to the jurors cnn s paula reid has the highlights from day six of the trial in a major show of support, hunter s family members and pastor taking up three rows in court today have known the family you don t abandon your friends and family tough time. in closing arguments, prosecutors pointed to the gallery of supporters and said, those people are not evidence and reminded the jury that, quote, no one is above the law, the prosecution directly address the most difficult element they have to prove that hunter biden knowingly lied on a federal background check form when purchasing the gun at the center of this case, the defendant knew he used crack and was addicted to crack at the relevant time period adding that hunter would have been aware from his time in rehab that he had a problem with drugs maybe if he had never gone to rehab, he could argue he didn t know. he was an addict at the end of his closing, prosecutor, leo wise circled back to testimony from hunters daughter, naomi, on friday, when she told the jury that when she returned or fathers card him on october 19, 2018, she did not see any evidence of drugs, but why is reminded the jury hunter s former girlfriend, hallie biden, his brother, beau biden s widow, had testified that when she found the gun in the same car days later, she found it alongside drug paraphernalia defense attorney abbe lowell countered, warning jurors not to convict his client in properly adding it s time to end this case. he compared the trial to a magician s trick trying to dupe the jury, saying, watch this hand, pay no attention to the other one he accused prosecutors of cherry picking thinking evidence to present a more timeline of hunter s drug use and said his client was not lying when he marked down that he was not an addict on that federal form. lowell attack, two of hunter s former girlfriends who both served as prosecution witnesses in this case. he noted zoe kestan took pictures of hunter with drugs, but not in the key month of october 2018, he also reminded the jury that hallie biden could not remember specific details about when she found the gun in hunter s car and noted hunter was the one who told hallie to file a police report for the missing after she threw it out. hunter did not take the stand to testify in his own defense in this case, a move that would have come with potential rewards and definite risks the jury will return to court at 9:00 a.m. on tuesday to continue deliberations now is in court monday morning as the jury heard instructions from the judge, she went through line by line explaining the rules that they have to follow as they undertake this historic decision. paula reid, cnn, wilmington, delaware, joining from new york criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor pinata, via luna. thank you so so much for joining us. why is it historic this case? because it isn t the president? it s still even though it s not the precedent, we re talking about, the president s son eighth, sit president son that s on trial, right now. i just to think that because it s a federal case, max biden, president biden, if hunter biden work to be convicted, he asked her ability to pardon him already said that he s not willing to part is his own son. he wants to make sure that people trust in our criminal justice system and that there s no favorites is but it s a historic moment in the sense that we are dealing with a sit-in president s son is on trial on felony charges and could possibly face jail which way do you think the jury appears to be going based on their responses to the judge so it depends. there haven t been any jury nodes, but it depends on are you judging this case based on sympathy? if you re not judging the case on sympathy and just on plain facts, and if we weren t dealing going with the son of a sitting president, doesn t the prosecution has proven this case beyond a reasonable doubt, not directly, but circumstantially with the testimony of hallie biden, with the testimony of the cocaine residue, haven t been recovered with testimony having to deal with biden s own words in his memory that he is a crack addict, was a crack addict at the time dealing with the text messages, those stories, dealing with a witness testimony, i think in its totality that the prosecution, the government has proven that hunter biden, it s guilty of being in possession of this firearm, haven t been under the influence. i m not a codex and also lying on that formula to update that by r. so what sort of sentence would you get from those parts of the trial so if hunter biden were to be convicted, he can face anywhere up to 25 years if he s convicted on all three of the couch highly own likely that he will see anything near 25 years. the judge has sentencing guidelines where it s recommended what is possible sentence good. because hunter biden doesn t have a criminal record because hunter biden, at this point now he said he has been cleaned because hunter biden also was dealing with a dependency on narcotic dependency, who s quite honestly it drug addiction that s been put on entre i think he can face anywhere from probation up until maybe a year or two years years in jail. my recommendation quite honestly is that this case does not is not deserving of any jail sentence. if anything, we re dealing with a drug program that hunter biden should go through quite nicely. i think this prosecution shouldn t have gone forward initially remained as a deferred prosecution disposition how might the president be implicated as part of this trial were not at all. i mean, he hasn t been mentioned in this trial aside from being a father of hunter biden, here we re dealing with a drug addiction. we know that unfortunately, hunter biden was going through some dark times and even admitted it. that s why he wrote that book. but to try to get others to get some insight as to what it is to go through a drug addiction. but there s no mention of president biting in this case. we know outside of the courtroom there has been mentioned having to deal with that laptop, but inside of the courtroom, he s not playing oh, role. it s not supposed to be playing a role and to deliberations and has nothing to do with the charges itself you ll see in america a, your a legal expert, but you also in america aware of the trump cases as well is there a way that donald trump can use this case against president biden campaign oh, absolutely. he s already using it and he s used it in a past. i ve been to deal with wears hunter biden especially doing his first time when he was running for president, actually a second time when he was running for president to try to take the is a away from what his insufficiencies are. instead focusing on president biden is saying that look, his son is on drugs, his son was participating and illegal activity that his son had some shady dealings with people well outside of america so of course to his people, that is what he s arguing. but of course, when you look at it and the eyes and the legal eyes, there s nothing having to deal with president biden and hunter biden, any illegality that s they re having to stem from these charges okay. pinata villa in new york, as ever. thank you so much for joining us now, spokesperson for giuliani predicts the former trump attorney. i will be fully vindicated. officials in arizona released his mug shot on monday or two, he posted a $10,000 cash bond giuliani and ten others have pleaded not guilty to charges of conspiring to overturn the 2020 presidential election in arizona prosecutors spent weeks 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cornell college wounded in the stabbing incident while in jilin city. that s in the northeastern china. and china s foreign ministry in the lab that s our has weighed in. it says that the four americans are quote, received proper treatment and are in stable condition. now, we have video of the aftermath of this stabbing. it s bring it up for you and in this video, which was widely circulating on chinese social media, but taken down, you see three people wounded. they re lying on the ground in they can part in jilin city. we have blurred the video because of its graphic nature, but these individuals are covered in blood. they re there waiting for first responders the wounded individual in front is pressing his hand on the back of his waist and the three are conscious. they are awake, they re using their smartphones to try to reach out, get help and to reach others. now, the brother of one of the wounded americans, we have this photograph. his name is david zab nar, the brothers says that the visa abner is doing well now, the condition of the other three individuals at this moment not known, but according to china s ministry of foreign affairs, they say that they are in stable condition now, the ministry of foreign affairs also cited police saying that the stabbing was in isolated incident and investigations are ongoing. now, the president of cornell university, excuse me, cornell college, the four are in china because they re therefore a partnership with beizhan university and jonathan brand sent a statement to cnn. we have part of that statement for you. he said this quote, we have been in contact with all four instructors and are assisting them during this time, unquote, a brand says that they were with a patient faculty member when the stabbing took place and that there were no students taking part in the program. now, the us state department says, it s aware of reports of this incident and it s monitoring the situation. now, the stabbing has been trending high on chinese social media this day with a number of posts getting censored and some netizens have been calling it a terrible incident with some saying this, it s bring up some examples for you, quote, this current in state, a public security is not supposed to let such a thing happen. it will definitely further hinder foreigners from visiting china unquote. now, china, especially compared to the west, has low rates of violent crime, public attacks against foreigners are rare. this incident comes as xi jinping is trying to boost person to person exchanges, get more us students just to come to try to but this is going to have a chilling effect. one more point that we heard from ministry of foreign affairs spokesperson insisting that china is quote, when the safest countries in the world back to you, max kristie. thank you. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy is in berlin to attend the crane recovery conference. mr. zelensky says the top priority for the conference will be ukraine s battered energy sector ukrainians have dealt with widespread blackouts for more than two years because russian forces have relentlessly targeted ukrainian power stations with airstrikes. but on the eve of the conference, the head of ukraine s agency for restoration and infrastructure development announce his stepping down. claire sebastian joins us now because this exposes some internal tensions. yeah. and look, it s not the headline that s key. once going into this conference where he s hoping to convince allies and foreign corporations to pay more to find ukraine s reconstructions. so this is most often am he is the head of the agency for restoration, infrastructure, development, and he is saying that the reason he s stepping down is because he feels he was unable to do his job because of all the roadblocks that were put up in front of him by the government. you could talks about bureaucratic nightmares, constant opposition, and resistance, which he says that the delays in getting 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those european elections and chancellor scholtz, like other leaders in france and italy, for example, i ve got a very clear message that many voters aren t happy with the amount of money going into ukraine. yeah, i look, i think that s part of what came out as we saw the far-right do so well in these european elections, particularly in these key countries, like germany and france, is that there is a political reality of donor fatigue, right? and there are people who are now looking at the amount of money that they re having to spend on their daily lives. the result of inflation and all of that. and translating that into opposition towards aid for ukraine. so that is something that lenski we ll have to face. this is the third annual reconstruction conference, but the first one to happen in an eu country. so he will be hoping to really put that message across that ukraine is able to use that aid wisely. and of course this going in as well to the g7. and then ukraine s own peace summit at 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a ceasefire agreement with hamas now to a renewed push for that ceasefire in gaza as the united nations holds a key vote on a plan to end the fighting between israel and hamas. un security council on monday, adopted a us drafted resolution which endorses a proposal for a permanent ceasefire and the release of the hostages held by hamas because elution calls on both parties to implement the terms, quote without delay and without condition. hamas said it welcomed the resolution and is ready to engage with mediators. but whether israel and hamas will move forward remains unclear. colleagues today, this council sent a clear message to hamas accept the ceasefire deal on the table, israeli israel has already agreed to this deal and the fighting could stop today. if hamas would do the same we all learning more about that israeli military operation that rescued four hostages held in gaza. as new video gives us a sense of what that raid looked like on the ground. cnn s kylie atwood has more this is the view from the helmets of the israel defense forces. they unleashed heavy gunfire, searching for israeli hostages held by hamas a during daytime raid that freed four of those kidnapped by hamas on october 7 and held captive ever since. it was an operation that took weeks to plan after receiving intelligence that the hostages were being held hold an apartment buildings inside the nuseirat camp in central gaza on the way out from gaza. all forces rescued our hostages israeli forces have been preparing for this rescue mission for weeks and is rarely air force pilot involved in the mission told the jerusalem post, that is one of the hostages, noa argamani got into his helicopter, has units, quote, mantle of composure melted away the magnitude of the moment struck then he quote immediately reported that the diamond is with us and in good health, some of the special forces were disguised as displaced palestinians and members of hamas military wing, eye eyewitnesses told cnn there were also reports of large gunfire after the hostages were rescued at least 274 palestinians were killed in the operation and hundreds injured. that s according to the gazan authorities who do not distinguish between civilian and military casualties the israel defense forces dispute that number, saying the death toll was under one 100. i want to say thank you. thank god. in israel, the families of the hostages express their overwhelming joy and having their loved ones returned safely after eight months in captivity. i haven t stopped smiling since my mug was returning to me now is work continues for a ceasefire and hostage deal with 120 hostages still held by hamas there are some theories at this rate, could be a setback it s a legitimate question. i it s hard for me to put myself in the mindset of a hamas terrorists. we don t know exactly what it is that they re going to do as secretary of state, antony blinken travels to the middle east to continue ratcheting up pressure on hamas to take the deal. he also isn t sure what hamas will do. i can t put myself none of us can put ourselves suppose on the minds of hamas or its leaders. so we don t know what the answer will be. but wall in egypt, blinken also said that his egyptian counterparts had been in touch with hamas quite recently. i can t go into the details of our conversations today except to say that artists in counterparts were in communication with hamas as early, as recently as a few hours ago now, during his meeting with prime minister benjamin netanyahu today, secretary of state antony blinken, ria there are rated that the united states and other world leaders stand by that comprehensive proposal that president biden laid out ten days ago, and they say that israel has put on the table people for hamas to accept. but so long as this period of uncertainty is extended, as us and other countries are waiting for hamas to respond to that proposal. the united states is concerned about the possibility of netanyahu changing his mind and deciding to reject that proposal, even though he signed off on it before it initially finally went to hamas joining me, not is back with more and what blinken was saying in the last few minutes. we know that blinken has been holding intensive discussions with his counterparts in the middle east, including of course, in israel with regards to this ongoing ceasefire negotiation. but he also spoke about, of course american families of hostages held captive by hamas in gaza saying that they were hopeful, of course, given the rescue of four hostages. over the course of what was unfortunately a deadly raid in gaza over the weekend, take a listen. 20th i just met with the families of the american hostages in gaza have the option to meet with him many times now on every trip here, the region when they visited but in washington and as always, it s an incredibly powerful thing. it s hard for any of us to put ourselves in there shoes to feel what they ve been feeling these many, many long months they were elated at the the rescue of four hostages just a couple of days ago but they continue to feel deeply power roughly this enduring separation from their loved ones men and women civilian and soldier a lot i ve and deceased. but for me all of the ha students, but especially are eight american family let s who have loved ones in gaza we are determined to bring them home the proposal that president biden put forward is the best way to do that with regards to that peace proposal put forward by the united states, we also heard from lincoln just then going on to say, that he had met with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, that he had reaffirmed his support for this peace proposal, which the united states has framed as and israeli proposal. we haven t yet heard a direct and public show of support from the israeli government for this peace proposal. in fact, yesterday, we have been hearing some mixed messages at the un security council. we heard from israel s representative to the un saying that israel would not engage in meaningless, endless negotiations with hamas, the objectives the israeli government and military remain the same that they want to see the full destruction of hamas and the full return of all hostages held captive in gaza of course, in this three-phase peace proposal laid out by the united states at the un security council there on the parameters, the provisions for the full release of israeli hostages held captive by hamas it s in gaza. in exchange of palestinian prisoners, but it also calls for the full withdrawal of israeli troops from gaza for the return of palestinian civilians to all parts of the gaza strip. and of course, what hamas wants to see ensured in this ceasefire agreement is the territorial integrity of the gaza strip. and of course, no demographic shifts crucially within the gaza strip. now, what we have heard so far from hamas is a statement yesterday of the back of that resolution vote saying that they welcome the deal. as you mentioned, they want to carry on with discussions with mediators that they are open to those ongoing discussions remains to be seen whether they issue a full and firm agreement to this deal. but we also haven t seen that fall and firm agreement by the israeli government, the us continues to reiterate that they believe that the israeli government will back this deal. but of course we ve been hearing at different messages from those far-right elements of prime minister netanyahu s coalition, who do not want to see this deal being signed thank you before she s in malawi are searching for missing military aircraft which was carrying the country s vice president in line. other people the plane left malawi s capital shortly after 9:00 a.m. local time monday. but never arrived. at its destination and authorities have failed to make contacts in as larry madowo following this from nairobi and apparently whether may be a factor here, larry that is the big thing here are those bad weather yesterday, according to president lazarus, to quadra. and that continues today. we now know that the search and rescue operation has entered de two. it s an air and ground operation. in the last hour, the malawi defense force has given an update on what s going on. they say their search and rescue is getting hampered by this uninhabited area where believed they believe this plane could have crashed. it s a rough and thick to rein in the chikunga forest they re also saying that this morning they had again bad weather conditions. the arrows foggy access has been difficult, but they have 200 soldiers actively searching for this plane carrying malawi s vice president and nine others. they also have the malawi police civil aviation authorities, and some forestry service officers. all actively involved in this operation. they using aircraft, fixed wing and roger aircraft, as well as some drones to try and locate this aircraft. this should have been an hour-long flight from the long with them allowing capital tomb zoos in the northern region but what happened next? here s president lazarus chakwera overnight explaining however, upon arrival and mzuzu, the pilot, was unable to land the plane due to poor visibility occasioned by bad weather and the action authorities advise their craft to return duly long way but they authorities soon lost contact with the aircraft. but i want to assure you that i am sparing no available resource to find that plane and i am holding on to every fiber of hope that we will find survivors it s been more than 24 hours now, so sadly, those chances of finding survivors, looking increasingly slim malawi has reached out to neighboring countries for assistance and also to the us, to the uk, to norway, into israel. and so far the us embassy in malawi says it has offered all its support, including a sea of military aircraft to help up in this search and rescue operation. but in malawi, defense force author saying one of the 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well, not necessarily. my guest is the renowned colombian novelistjuan gabriel vasquez, who weaves powerful stories out of fact and fiction. is there anything magical about colombia s current reality? juan gabriel vasquez, welcome to hardtalk. thank you for having me. it s a pleasure to have you. now you inhabit two different intellectual worlds. you are a political commentator. it is yourjob to have instant, strong opinions for newspapers. on the other hand, you re also a novelist who writes complex, nuanced novels that are sort of riddled with doubt and uncertainty. which of these two mental attitudes comes more naturally to you? well, i m first and foremost a novelist. iwas. i began writing fiction at a very young age, and it was always my ideal to write the kind of novels that i had grown up with. but in south america, a novelist is also a citizen. and so you develop very quickly the need, the compulsion sometimes, the feeling of obligation to comment on the political reality. so in a sense, there are two different and opposite ethics. erm. you write fiction out of uncertainty and doubts and questions. novels are written to ask questions, not to give answers. but at the same time, you re a political commentator who tries to have certainties, who tries to shed doubts. are you faking it when you come up with those certainties for your columns? no, but there are few. there are very few, very few moments during the week in which you are absolutely sure about something and you write to convince, you write to do a kind of proselytism. uh, you write to try to get answers. interestingly, you dig deep into your home country, colombia, and yet you spent a significant part of your adult life out of colombia. yes. would it be correct in a way to say that you became confident in your voice, you know, exploring your home country once you d left it? yes, yes, ithink that s quite accurate. erm, in a sense, also, i was following a very old latin american tradition of leaving our countries to write about them, to understand them better. this is something that has been happening since, uh. ..since the nicaraguan poet ruben dario lived in paris and madrid in the early 20th century. and then, of course, the generation that i grew up as my role models, the latin american boom, and. and garcia, gabriel garcia marquez. ..garcia marquez. yes. ..perhaps the most famous south american author of our times. yeah, yeah. he belonged to a generation that, erm, that wrote, that retold the history of our countries from abroad. so we have this very strange situation in south america where the best novel about colombia 100 years of solitude was written in mexico, and the best novel about peru by mario vargas llosa was written in paris, and carlos fuentes, the great mexican novelist, wrote in washington and london. erm, so it is a kind of necessity, perhaps, that we find to, you know, get a little removed from the places that we are discussing. it s interesting to just reflect on garcia marquez, cos. yeah. i know it s become a bit of a cliche, but this this phrase used about his work and, indeed, 100 years of solitude was magical realism . you do something very different. yes. you use a lot of recent history, of facts, and you weave personal stories around those facts, and it s often quite brutal and it s quite violent and difficult. yes. was your writing a deliberate reaction against that sort of quote unquote magical realism ? no, no, my writing isjust the recognition that my world is different. my world view comes from a different place. i was born in a big capital city in the middle of the andes, so 2,600 metres over sea level. whereas garcia marquez was born in a very small town, caribbean town, with a very different culture and outlook. so his, his demons, his obsessions, his ghosts were quite different from mine. and you were also raised at a time of horrible violence, instability, chaos. yes. ..in your home city, bogota. yeah. i mean, did that. do you reflect on that and think, you know what, i was actually quite traumatised as a kid, as a young adult, by what was happening around me ? yes. well, when i left colombia in 1996, i was 23. erm, i thought i was leaving because i wanted to become a certain kind of writer, and that was the latin american tradition. with time, i understood that i was also fleeing the violence. i was also fleeing a, erm, a particular situation. this was the years of drug wars and drug related terrorism. erm. narco traffickers like pablo escobar were at the height of their power as you were a teenager and a young adult. exactly, exactly. napoleon says somewhere that, uh, in order to understand a man, you have to understand his world when he was 20. and i turned 20 in 1993, which was the year in which pablo escobar died at the height of his threats to the colombian system. so that s that. do you, do you think, when you reflect on it and of course, i m mindful you were writing in europe about this colombia of corruption, of chaos, of violence do you think you were, erm, expressing in a way, a sort of deep fear and anger about what had happened to your homeland? em, frustration in a sense, but mainly, uh, mainly uncertainties, maybe mainly the feeling that, the stories that were being told were not complete. i think i write out of a sense of darkness, of shadows in the collective story of my country, and i think of fiction as a way to shed some light, particularly, on that, on that very special place in which the historical meets private lives, in which private individuals, erm, as brothers and sisters and lovers and, uh, and fathers and, and siblings, they have. they suffer the consequences of politics and history and those forces that we have never learned quite how to, how to control, but that do change our lives. and this is the territory of our human experience that i try to tell in my novels. you call it fiction, but of course you fill your books with facts, sometimes very personal facts. yes. i mean, i m thinking of one of your most successful novels, the sound of things falling, which involves a plane crash. and in fact, you really did find, i think, the transcript of the recording of the last moments of a plane, which i believe was carrying a family friend, which crashed. that s right, yes. and you very literally took these horrific final moments and wrote about them. yes. you also included some other bizarre facts, like the hippo that escaped from pablo escobar s infamous zoo and which was then hunted down years later. and that was the beginning of your book. so i guess, you know, your audience might be sometimes quite confused about these blurred lines between fact and you re a journalist, so you deal in facts but then fiction, which is where you as a novelist come in. yes, i ve understood with time that in my work. my work always begins with meeting an actual person who has a story that seems to me interesting, uh, or who is hiding something, who has evidently some kind of secrets. and i start asking questions. so i always begin writing as a novel. as a journalist. i m a journalist first, and then, since my novels often deal with the colombian past, with our collective past, i turn into a historian ifind documents, i go into archives, and then the last, uh, the last person to come into the process is the novelist. and the novelist s only task is to try to say something that neither the journalist nor the historian has said. but in so doing, you twist and bend the truth. or do you not believe there is such a thing as truth? i do believe there is such a thing as truth. epistemologically i do believe that, but i don t think it s accessible through one story. i don t think one story can.interpret it fully. so you need several stories coming from several parts. and this is particularly true in my country, where we are trying to, uh, deal with a recent history of violence. and we are all trying storytellers, journalists, historians, novelists who are trying to open a space in which different stories about these last 50 years coexist, have the right to exist. but if, if your perception that, actually, truth is complex and it requires the understanding of different people s perspectives and memories. yes. ..and they can recollect the same event in very different ways. yes. where does that leave colombia s attempt to reach, you know, what in south africa was known as truth and reconciliation ? is it possible in colombia? that s what we are trying to do. the peace agreements that were passed in 2016, which i think is one of the great successes in the history of my country, these agreements between the colombian government ofjuan manuel santos and the farc guerrilla. yeah, it should be said it was with the farc group, which was the dominant insurgent group. only one of them. ..but there are many other rebel groups who have not made peace and who are not part of that agreement. exactly. but it was the biggest guerrilla, perhaps the oldest one, and the strongest one, certainly. so it was a success story to make peace with this guerrilla movement. erm, now, part of the. part of what the agreements created were two institutions, the commission of truth and the transitionaljustice tribunals. both of them are, among several other things, in charge of telling stories, opening spaces in which people can come and, uh, tell their story, be recognised as victims of violence, or as perpetrators who ask for forgiveness. the victims may or may not forgive, but the most, the most wonderful human situations have been created or allowed by this, by the institutions. and they all go through the same phenomenon of telling stories. but is it really healing wounds, or do those wounds still fester in your country? that s, that s a great question. you never know if remembering can be sometimes, erm, exciting new resentments or keeping hatred alive. erm, i do have i do have faith in the power of remembering correctly and accurately the past. carlos fuentes, the mexican novelist, said there is no living future with a dead past, and part of our role, i think, as novelists and storytellers in general, is keeping the past alive, trying to keep it true, keep it honest, so that we can understand it and move forward. ah. i mean, something pretty extraordinary happened in 2022 when the colombian electorate voted into power. yeah. ..president petro, who in a previous life, not so very long ago had been a committed guerrilla fighter in the m 19 group, and now he sits in the presidential palace. but that clearly sticks in the throat of many colombians. and ijust wonder, as you look at your country today, whether you fear that petro, who came to power pledging, quote unquote, total peace with all of the different armed groups in his country. yes. ..whether in fact his presidency is deepening polarisation. well, uh, i m very critical about president petro. i think he is a populist and a demagogue, uh, of a very old latin american tradition. but he had this unique opportunity of and this is why i thought his election was good news of implementing the peace agreements of 2016, which had been, uh, disregarded or actively sabotaged by the last conservative government of ivan duque. erm. he hasn t. it s not looking so good right now, is it? i mean, as i understand it, of the different armed groups. because he seems to be saying that he wants a, you know, an ultimate peace and a disarming of all the groups, including criminal gangs as well as insurgent rebel groups and paramilitary groups, he wants them all to be in this umbrella of total peace. yes. well, of the 20 or more different armed groups, only about five are currently engaging with the government. yes, and not only that, to me, the bad side of the whole project is that he is taking away from the 2016 agreements, all the attention and the resources and the rhetorical energy of the government. so he is forgetting them, leaving them to die a slow death through inattention, through negligence, concentrating on his own projects. erm, whereas we, we looked forward during his election to the first serious implementation of those wonderful agreements that we managed to pass in 2016 after much polarisation. it s not, it s notjust a question, is it, of the men with guns. it s also the politicians who for decades and decades, at the very least, turned a blind eye and sometimes were actively complicit in the violence, the murder, the chaos and the mayhem in your country. do you think there will be an accounting of those politicians one could say the old political elite in colombia will they be held to account? well, i certainly think they re one of the. one of the main objectives of the peace agreements and the peace negotiations has to be to find the truth, to have people speak the truth and, and accept some kind of truth as the only way for which we. a reconciliation of the country. but there has to be a reconciliation. it s absolutely no use to go through these difficult processes that have, uh, divided us and polarised us as a nation. so as you say that and you talk about your hopes for the future of your country i m just looking at my notes where i noted down that right now, opposition leaders in bogota are saying that they have plans to launch national strikes to paralyse the country if petro attempts to establish this talk of a constituent assembly, assembly to bypass parliament and the courts. there s allegations of corruption being bandied around involving close family and associates of petro, including charges that his son is facing of bribery with allegations that it was linked to campaign finance, which of course, he the son and indeed the president himself clearly deny all involvement. but nonetheless, it looks in a way like colombia is sinking back into something very dark and dangerous. i think we are not strangers to a certain kind of dynamics in the whole of the continent. 0ur continent, our continent in south america is being divided into different kinds of populisms right wing populisms such as bolsonaro in brazil some years ago and milei in argentina and the left wing populisms active in nicaragua and venezuela, which are turning their countries into failed democracies. in the middle, we have this negotiation between two kinds of extreme ideas, extreme erm, projects, political projects in colombia. and in the middle there are some looking for a way to create a new political centre of a progressive kind, and this is turning into one of the most difficult things of all. because of the current situation of that tension between what the government of petro is doing, a populist demagogue, erm. on that spectrum of latin american politics with the populism, as you describe it, of both the left and the right where do you see the greatest danger lying for colombia? which way do you believe it might. it s very clear to me that the greatest danger is that petro s government will open the way for a right wing or rather, extreme right wing populism, which is already in the making and gathering force as a reaction to what is going on from the government. that is the most worrying situation for me. underpinning much of the violence in colombia and we ve talked about politics and insurgency but underpinning much of it has been drugs. yes. narco trafficking. yeah. ..and the vast amounts of money and indeed the power that come with controlling the drugs. you have suggested that the only way out of this for a country like colombia is the full legalisation of currently illegal narcotics. yes, for any country, i would think. but particularly. what do you think that would do to colombia? erm. i think drugs are a double problem. you have public order problems linked to the violence and the corruption and the instability created by criminal gangs who try to vie for control of the trade. and on the other hand, you have public health problems linked to consumption of drugs and what that does to. the burden that places on health systems. if you legalise, every experience tells us that legalisation would get rid of the first problem violence, corruption, mafias, criminal gangs are a product of the illegal character of drugs, not of drugs themselves. and we saw that during prohibition in the united states only during prohibition did we have not only alcoholism and private problems, but also mafias and corruption and violence, which are the results of illegality, of the criminal world that is built around the protection of an illegal business. you legalise, you get probably rid of all these things, and you can devote the insane amounts of money that we use in drug wars to prevention and education and treatment of addiction. when you, as a journalist, write about the narco traffickers and the scourge that drugs represents in your country and you write about corruption and the corrosive nature of corruption you re in very dangerous territory. journalists and writers get targeted in colombia. yes. some of them occasionally get killed. do you worry about that? well, this is. this is a trend in the whole of the continent. journalists are being persecuted and imprisoned in venezuela and nicaragua. there are networks closed there. they re being actively persecuted by the government. i m interested in your personal story because we discussed you moving to europe to get a distance where you could write about colombia, but you then moved back in around, i think, around a decade or more ago. 2012, yes. yeah, so you have a presence inside colombia now. do you feel constraints on what you can say? i d rather not think about that maybe. erm. surely, you have to. well, i, uh. i do believe there s a kind of, erm.obligation i have as an intellectual, as an observer, and as a novelist. we have a certain kind of take on colombian life, novelists, erm, and it is, it is very difficult to. not to do what albert camus, who is a big figure for me, said it is the role of the journalist to say things are so when you effectively see that things are so, and this is what i try to do. and i know you are friends with many writers around the world, including salman rushdie. when you see what happens to writers who take on, uh, those who don t want their voice to be heard on certain issues, does it make you become more careful about what you say and write? well, salman, salman rushdie is a great example of somebody who has spent the last 30 years defending the freedoms the rest of us take for granted and thriving. i think he is an example of, of courage and of resilience. erm, and it s. .. for me, it s a source, it s an inspiration and a source of admiration in many senses. and you will continue to write about your country from inside your country? i have never, except for one book, i haven t written a page of fiction that is not obsessively about my country, about trying to understand its violence and trying to, uh, explore it and illuminate it. and as a journalist, i only try to defend our right our right to peace, to have a peaceful country. which is, you know, hopefully in the making, but not there immediately. juan gabriel vasquez, thank you very much forjoining me on hardtalk. it was a pleasure. thank you. hello, there. for most of us, it has been a disappointing start to the week, in terms of the weather. a frequent rash of showers, particularly across scotland, gusts of winds coming from the north, and in excess of 30 mph, at times. temperatures struggled to get into double figures, but it was a slightly different story, further south and west. just look at anglesey beautiful afternoon, lots of sunshine and temperatures peaked at around 18 or 19 degrees. high pressure is continuing to nudge its way in from the west, so west will be best, through the course of tuesday. there s still likely to be a few showers around, but hopefully few and further between. most frequent showers, certainly, are going to be across eastern scotland and down through eastern england. so, sunny spells and scattered showers going into the afternoon. that will have an impact with the temperature, 1a or 15 degrees, but again, with a little more shelter, a little more sunshine, 17 or 18 celsius not out of the question. a few scattered showers moving their way through northern ireland and scotland. hopefully, some of these will ease through the afternoon, but you can see those temperatures still really struggling ten to 15 degrees at the very best. now, as we move out of tuesday into wednesday, this little ridge of high pressure will continue to kill off the showers. so, wednesday is likely to be the driest day of the week and make the most of it there s more rain to come, but it will be a pretty chilly start, once again, to wednesday morning. single figures right across the country, low single figures in rural spots. but, hopefully, the showers should be a little bit few and further between and more favoured spots for those showers, once again, to the east of the pennines. more sunshine out to the west. temperatures, generally, similar values to what we ve seen all week, 10 to 18 degrees the high, but the wind direction will start to change, as we move into thursday. unfortunately, towards the end of the week, this low pressure will take over. we ll see further spells of rain at times, some of it heavy. but the wind direction will play its part, a little a south westerly wind means that we will see temperatures climbing a degree or so. don t expect anything too significant, because we ve got the cloud and the rain around. but it s not out of the question that across eastern and southeast england, we could see highs of 20 celsius. take care. live from london, this is bbc news. the united nations security council adopts a us resolution supporting an immediate ceasefire in gaza here in the uk, campaigning continues as the conservatives launch their election manifesto today. jurors have started deliberating in the trial of president biden s son, hunter. later in the program, we ll be finding out how elephants call to each other using their names. and coming up in business strava is one of the worlds most popular fitness apps. i ll be speaking to its chief executive on this programme. hello, i m sally bundock. a very warm welcome to the programme. the united states is making a major push to pause fighting in gaza, with diplomatic efforts taking place both in the region and at the united nations. the un security council endorsed a ceasefire proposal for gaza on monday. it is the first time the council has passed a resolution demanding a stop in fighting, after eight months of war. the resolution urges both hamas and israel to fully and quickly implement the three phase plan. 1a countries voted in favour, and russia abstained. us ambassador to the un linda thomas greenfield says the resolution shows hamas that the international community is united. colleagues, today this council sent a clear message to hamas. accept the ceasefire deal on the table.
that is tonight s last word. tonight, donald trump met his probation officer. we will look at a key step as his sentencing approaches. the fate of hunter biden is now in the jury s hands. why he declined to take the stand. kerr is here speaking out as the 11th hour gets underway on this monday night: good evening, once again, we are now 148 days away from the election. today, one of the leading candidates for president met with his probation officer. donald trump fresh off of his guilty verdict sat for a presentencing interview. nothing standard with how it was held. trump got permission to attend virtually from florida and have his attorney present. trump has been complaining for months about a 2-tier system of justice and he is absolutely right. as new york public defenders pointed out today most people do not get to log in remotely from a resort in florida to talk to their probation officers. as far as what happens in these interviews, probation officers generally ask about things like financial resources, mental health and any links to convicted criminals. they also have to ask if you feel remorse for the crime that you are convicted of. meanwhile n delaware, the hunter biden firearms case went to the jury after both sides made their closing arguments. hunter biden chose not to take the stand. here is my colleague with more. reporter: tonight, it is in the hands of the jury. six men, six women deliberating the fate of hunter biden. the first child of a sitting president to be charged with a crime. many of the first family in the courtroom throughout the trial. all of this is not evidence said leo wise while gesturing in the courtroom and in the direction of jill biden in the first row. people sitting in the gallery are not evidence, he said, adding no one is above the law. the special counsel is accused the president s son of liing on a federal background check, checking that he is not an active drug user to purchase a gun. they used evidence from his laptop and called 10 witnesses, many describing hunter biden s drug use including around the time he filled out the background check in october of 2018. hunter biden s ex-wife found drug paraphernalia and his ex- girlfriend who wasidating him at the time said is he was using crack all of the time. the evidence was necessary. the defense attorney gude the prosecution focused far too much on his drug abuse over a 4- year period and no one witnessed drug use during the window of time he purchased a gun. with that let s get smarter with the help of our lead off this evening. reporter with the washington post,, sam stein is here. a journalist and white house editor for politico, and former new york prosecutor charles coleman jr is here. a big legal night so you get first crack. donald trump met with his probation officer today, help us understand the purpose of these interviews, how do they usually go and what do we know about what was asked in this one? reporter: stephanie, when your probation officer will be asking you questions what they are trying to understand is basically what is your set up around your life? how do you live? what your financial resources are, what is the impact of the sentence if a judge decides for example to send you to jail. are there other people depending on you, put in a bad position? by that, are you associating with other criminals that we know in the case of trump. he is, we can go down the long list, roger stone, many others, flin, the list goes on and on. most importantly, the most important that they are looking to ascertain, and you talked about it in your lead in, if you have any understanding and appreciation for the crime that you are committed of. donald trump has a difficult tight rope to toe when it comes to this given everything given in the public around this, rather than what he knows prosecution by the da s office. that will be something that will be hard for him to get around. ultimately the report will be something that the judge takes into account when they make their decision around what sentence they ultimately imposed. the da s office is making a recommendation of trump s attorney, going to argue as lenient of a sentence as possible. sam, trump is arguing for months and months and months. a two tier justice system. there is. it is benefiting him. we got to meet virtually, his lawyer was there and when he speaks at his rallies he is always saying i am doing this for you i am standing here for you. but if any trump supporters were in his position they would not get these special privileges, why do they keep buying this? reporter: well, you are absolutely right. we wrote about that in politico, too, when you think of the gag order various points in the criminal case, that was almost done with reluctance compared to what would have been done for any other person in the justice system. trump is a unique person in the justice system that he is a former president running for president currently. it makes sense some leeway is given to him in that regard. the justice system works in this favor in this case. i would argue thereat second start, hunter biden is evidence that it is not a justice system. the president s own department of justice is currently bringing a case against his son f. there was a thumb on the scale of the system of the part of president bid pen. one would think he would do it to alleviate the burdens on his son but the president sat back and watched this thing progress to the point where we will get a verdict in the next day or so. i get it has been a crazy last eight years and people have become desensitized. it is not even remotely normal for the presumptive nominee to be meeting with his probation officer what is your treks this response. how numb the country has become to everything we watched in the last eight years. nobody can forget and yet we almost act like it was no big deal when then republican nominee for president donald trump was caught on live tape talking about grabbing women in the crotch using a course word and he can get a wid with it because lesay celebrity. starting then and continuing on, it is like a starting gun of new, every other week, every other two weeks, revelations about donald trump as candidate and as a president that made us all kind of gasp and wonder, like, can he survive this? well, donald trump is the nominee for president again. he is the front runner in this race by many polls, and, he is a felon who has been convicted of 34 counts of crimes in the state of new york. the city and the town, where he once ruled. and, all of us are kind of like oh, yeah, that is right, that is how it is. that is, that is sort of the standard now for the last eight years. it is really important for us all to step back and remember that no president and no former president has ever been charged with a crime. and now we have one that has been convicted and is seeking to return to the white house. charles, a lawyer wrote in the new york times today that donald trump s chances of winning an appeal are slim, what do you think? reporter: i think so, stephanie. when you are talking about what it is to appeal a jury the first thing that people need to understand is that it is a rare occurrence that the simple is going to have a decision made by our constitution where you get a dloons have your case heard by a jury of your piers which trump did and override the system and overcalculation by the judge or actions of the attorneys. the judge does not give enough credit for the way he ran this trial. i think he was very much aware of all of the eye s needed to be dotted and t s needed to be crossed that is why he ran such a tight ship. to make sure that there were as few for a po as possible. it does not mean that trump s attorney does not like to seek an issue. rather than it being successful is slim to none. sam, today, bragg says he will testify before the house about the trump case. most likely not until after trump gets sentenced. he knows what he is going to face with house republicans, how do you think he is going to handle this? well, i mean, it is, it, we knew the house republicans were going to do this. they signaled they want to protect trump. they want to go after the prosecution. you know, various over00turs. bringing it to hill. expecting it a long time ago. surprised they did not push harder prior to this. if i were bragg i would point to the fact that trump s piers made a determination guilty on 34 counts. that is the aspects of the american justice system that donald trump had right to the fence. he was given through the fence. there will be questions of who is on the team, funding him. what it comes down to, this is how the justice system would work. they had his defense and, and that is that. the decision was made by a jury of 12. you have to live with it. that is what we do. charles, let s shift to what sam was mentioning a moment ago. hunter biden case. what did you make today of both sides closing arguments, of hunter not taking the stand. go in reverse, stephanie. hunter bid den not take the stand for a number of reasons t is difficult for hunter bid tone give testimony in any way that is going to exonerate him or defend against those charges without either incriminating him or admitting publicly around his substance abuse. i think that is something that he wanted to avoid. his defense team wanted to avoid that. ultimately if you are looking at this from a 50,000 foot view it is something that would not have been well for the biden administration to have in the headlines, not that it has an impact on hunter s case or the charges but that was part of the calculus here. with respect of what you heard, this is straightforward. i think many legal experts myself included understand that when robert herr, the prosecutor on this case and joe biden allowed to stay on the case brought the charges this, if anything, we seen recently was the most political prosecution that we have seen. i say that because for these federal charges to be brought you typically don t see that absence of violent offense involving the handgun or the weapon that is in question. that is not the case here. hunter biden is not charged with that. we don t have the facts. yet, still, herr decided to bring the charges against hunter biden and the case for the prosecution is straightforward. none of it is. the defense is saying you work with the fact that you have. they don t have great facts. they have to call into question the time line. i don t know if it will be enough for a jury to acquit him or result in a mistrial. sam, the president has already said that he will not pardon his son f. he is found guilty he could be taken into custody. how is the campaign going to react to this? they have been hands off. it is taking a toll on the president to make had decision. he is his son, he is a father. when you ask about him and press him on it, they are hands off. as we reported they do not talk about the issue. he does not want to discuss it. not that he does not think there will be political fallout but it is too raw. the question that ultimately comes down to is will republicans try to potentially capitalize on a guilty verdict. we have a debate coming up and trump will use it during the debate. will say upon to this point where we are surprised to see how little republicans are talking about the hunter biden trial including trump himself. does not come up all that much. used to be a topic of a lot of discussion for media and trump but not recently. you wonder if they don t want to draw the attention to his own mishaps or perhaps they test today out and realize there might be effect where people are sympathetic or empathetic to joe biden if you go after his son when fundamentally part of what that issue is, an issue of addiction. now topic, your washington post has a story out trump allies with a post- constitutional vision for a second term. this man s name is russell voyt. what can you tell bus this? by the way, it is for beth reinhart on this team that presses the trump precedency and the people he is entrusting to make the plans for his new administration. he was a deputy director and in congress as a staffer for a long, long time and other federal agencies. he knows his way around both the legislative and the executive parts of our government and he is using that knowledge to broodily expand the powers of the executive if trump takes office. to the point of saying that he is going to find a way for the justice department to prosecute and imprison those who he feels have wrongly gone after the president in the past. that includes journalists, that includes political figures like biden family members and he is, rather, he would work very hard to loosen the militaries ability to take action at the president s command to stop protests that are against the president to interfere, perhaps, in elections. basically the military would be the entity could send into domestic situations. something that really we have avoided since the horrors of ken state for example. this is a person who believes definitely in the executive theory but, now proposing things behind closed doors. he may end up being the chief of staff for the president, we will see. proposing what will send a chill off of the spine of those studying democracy and its norms. here is my head scratcher, carol. a lot of conservatives out there. don t like trump but likes the policies, these are the same people who are all about small government and limited power. this, this man and this plan, isn t that the opposite of small government limited power. this is big, big government with ultimate power. i think that is something that you highlighted on your program consistently if i can give you a hat tip. this idea of the hypocrisy, right? the republican party for as long as i have been a reporter, embarrassed to tell you how long that has been has always been about criminal justice and top, forgive me, serious law enforcement. it has been a party. a concern. russia, chief among them. yet, that is all out the window now with trump as president. putin is a great guy in the new republican party. he is a fan of donald trump. therefore, he is for them. it is not important anymore. we really want to support. certain criminal that have been unfairly and i use this quotation marks persecuted. that is the line that the republican party is pushing. and, so, again, this notion of big government for the republican party that is sought the window as well. if it suits donald trump. that is the litnus test. people can vote however they like. it is our job to shine a light so people understand exactly who and what they are voting for. carol, always great to see you, sam, charles, thank you as well. when we return, nine months into the war, and five americans are still being held hostage by hamas. why the white house is considering a new strategy for negotiations. and, later, after months in a dead heat in the polls with trump. president biden is revving up his engines and maybe even changing lanes. 11th hour just getting underway on a monday night th hour just on a monday night and living longer are two things i want from my metastatic breast cancer treatment. and with kisqali, i can have both. kisqali is a pill that when taken with an aromatase inhibitor helps delay cancer from growing and has been proven to help people live significantly longer across three separate clinical trials. so, i have the confidence to live my life. kisqali can cause lung problems or an abnormal heartbeat, which can lead to death. it can cause serious skin reactions, liver problems, and low white blood cell counts that may result in severe infections. avoid grapefruit during treatment. tell your doctor right away if you have new or worsening symptoms, including breathing problems, cough, chest pain, a change in your heartbeat, dizziness, yellowing of the skin or eyes, dark urine, tiredness, loss of appetite, abdomen pain, bleeding, bruising, fever, chills, or other symptoms of an infection, a severe or worsening rash, are or plan to become pregnant, or breastfeeding. long live life and long live you. ask your doctor about kisqali today. you know what s brilliant? 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[crying] falling to his knees when he was reunited with his mom. while their celebrations in israel in gaza there is mourning the hamas-run health ministry that does not distinguish between combat onand civilian deaths, 270 palestinians were killed including 64 children, one woman telling us. my family is destroyed. my house is destroyed they are reporting that the u.s. is discussing a new move if seize fire moves fail, making a deal with hamas to release the remaining american hostages, negotiating through qatar and not with israel. according to two senior officials. my number one priority as secretary of state is to ensure the well being of americans who are in harm s way anywhere in the world. that is your top priority, wouldn t indirect talks for the americans at least bring those americans home, possibly? the most effective way to do that to achieve that is through the proposal on the table. so, let s see if we get an answer from hamas. for more. peter baker joins us the chief correspondent for the new york times, peter, is it a sign that the white house is frustrated with the pace of negotiations between israel and hamas? yes. of course, obviously. nine months, these american hostages have been there the entire time. the american government has basically taken, deferred the israeli government when it comes to dealing with the hostages, most of the hostages have duel citizenship, theyor the ground. the united states is not. it suggests an impatience at this point. its own hostage remain at, in limbo in effect. remaining at odds for this proposal. you heard him say. hamas at this point to accept this proposal. i think that is an important point that they want to make. israel has, in fact, despite public talk of benjamin netanyahu s statements, right now, frustrated that this has taken so long, seen not to be heading towards a conclusion and therefore, obviously, they will be willing to think about ways to get just the americans at this point out if there is a way to do it. president biden is not the only one expressing frustrations. benny gantz just resigned saying it is the prime minister, he is standing in the way of real victory. what does that signal to you about the state of the war effort and prospects for new elections over there? benjamin netanyahu not once but multiple times in elections for the idea they sat together and the work ethic is remarkable situations, hard to imagine joe biden, donald trump sitting together in a unity government. but, this point, they decided enough is enough. it is not working. prime minister benjamin netanyahu is an obstacle to resolution rather than a leader of it. it puts it. they may require on the far right, staying in power, he knows he will appeal. he may back himself up not finding himself comfortable. avoiding further elections. we would love to see where it leads and further elections and not much chance and not a lot of optimism for prime minister benjamin netanyahu to win another election. he has been a remarkable part of politics. let s sit with the right wing and change locations. you were just in france with president biden. when he was there he spent a lot of time trying to reassure nato allies who are nervous about a second trump term. i want to know how his message was received, a, and b, we keep hearing about our european allies that are worried about trump. there are a lot of elections that took place over europe and they were big, big wins for the far right. it happening over there as well? you are absolutely right. not just a u.s. issue. the european elections on sunday were a remarkable shift in power. for the right. you saw president macron from france that just hosted biden the night before, state dinner where they held hands in effect in favor of establishment politics so rocked he is calling new elections in france himself to see if he can not win over his own public where he is, in fact, not very popular, either. these guys will all get together in italy later there week at a g-7 meeting and talk about a lot of the issues like gaza and ukraine and so forth. hovering over it is their weakness, biden s approval is higher than some of the other leaders at the summit. it is a time where they are all on their back heels a little bit amid this right wing popularrism we are seeing in europe and the united states. peter, you always make us smarter, thank you very much for being here tonight. when we come back. biden getting a revamp. his new strategy to rev up the race, when the 11th hour returns the race, when the 11th hour returns good results. look at that! the broccoli was fantastic. that broccoli! i think some of them were six, seven pounds. let s get started. bill, where s your mask? 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i think it is smart. reaching people where they are. we know people are getting news from a lot of less traditional outlets and people are watching the news less frequently any way and checking out politics. it is splart to find them when they are not paying attention to the new issues any way. biden campaign recognizes that it has to do with whatever it has to do as we head towards crunch time here. mark t is not just about his base. this is about nikki haley voters, trumpers, independents, these are the people who make or break the election. it is currently by a lot of polls in a dead heat. president trump, former president trump is not looking ahead of his base. is this going to work for biden? yeah. he has to look beyond the base. that is where the election will be decided. i remember when the bush campaign was in big, big trouble in 2000. we had to do a reset. we kind of got push into it. we did not want to do it. ultimately we decided we needed to because we had to. part of it was prescripted and part of it was making changes but a big part, just doing a reset for the press and the larger public to say okay we heard the message we are doing things differently. it makes sense practically speaking and broodily. you are sending a message to everybody. you heard the message. yes, we are doing things differently. again, in this campaign it is so razor thin. the bidens got to do literally everything right there is one of them. this is good. one of the things he needs to do is turn up the volume on the things that donald trump is saying. they are doing that. they are seizing on some of the comments that trump made at his nevada rally this weekend. i don t want anyone going on me, we need any voter. i don t care about you i just want your vote, i don t care. so, what i just heard him say, i don t care about you, i just want your vote. broy an, did the rally attendees hear this? what? did they hear that? no. they have selective hearing. trump can say anything and they will just cheer and cheer and cheer on queue. it is important that americans hear it. that is him giving the game away. he does not care about anybody out here. trump s only goal, first, second, third priority is to keep himself out of prison and make the prosecutions against them go away. he has brought forward no plans for, to lower costs, nothing to lower health care costs, nothing to increase the amount of jobs. no plans on housing or inflation. he is focused on keeping himself out of the courthouse and out of the prison. this is a rare incidents, less rare these days. he is just, he is just coming out and saying it. if you want an example of someone who treats their supporters with nothing but contempt, it is something like trump, standing there, on that stage and just basically telling them what he thinks about them. what i like to hear about is the truth. and billions in infrastructure funding made its way across the country thanks to the infrastructure bill now law. and suddenly we are seeing some house republicans taking credit for all of these jobs that were created but for facts sake, those same republicans voted against the bill. do their constituents who might not pay attention to traditional politics or watch the news, do they know the truth? they are taking credit for things they voted against? no, they don t know the truth because they are not going to hear the truth. it is hypocritical. let me make another point on the vegas speech and the ad and by the way there is another ad that i think the biden campaign has done and it is the best one. donald trump in his own voice talking about veterans. i think they should just leave that up through election day. it is specifically good. really impactful. by the way trump has been complaining about it. what we call that is hit dogs barking. [ laughter ] you know he is feeling the pain so it is working. as a former ad guy, i know the most effectiving you can do is not say what you think that person said but let them say what they said themselves, it is great. i want to go back to the infrastructure point. what do you do about the fact that you have house republicans patting themselves on the back, taking credit for passing things they voted against? i think they have done an effective job at exposing these people. biden said it out loud. he was in lauren s district and she is trying to take credit. going out there, getting in the districts and doing that. and basically where trump one day rallying against toilets nothe flushing and keeping himself out of prison and then biden talking about $35 inhalers and $35 insulin and $2,000 a month health care plans, stuff that is going to impact regular people. they are good-bye that, side by side, it is a matter of getting it out there and hammering the message, over and over and over again. they often say what is the one thing that a politician did to change your life or help you in some way and you just got to show people. thank you for being here. still ahead, you want to stay up for this. when coach steve kerr talks, everybody listens the nine time nba champion is here next. his big endorsement in this election and his take on caitlin clark s first month in the pros when the 11th hour continues the pros when the 11th hour continues some people just know there s a better way to do things. and some people. don t. bundle your home and auto with allstate and save. you re in good hands with allstate. hi, i m greg. i live in bloomington, illinois. i m not an actor. i m just a regular person. some people say, why should i take prevagen? 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i mean it is clear that president biden is really interested in implementing gun safety measures. common sense gun violence pro vens measures. i have been doing a lot of work the last 10 years with a lot of gun safety prevention people like brady, giffords, sandy hook promise, march for our lives. i have learned so much. i know that we can prevent lives president biden is adamant he is going to push for common sense law that can do that. i know that president trump will not do that. so it is a simple choice for me. are you voting for joe biden or against donald trump. i am voting for joe biden. i think the biggest thing for me is, everybody needs to vote their conscious. on a few issues but this is the main one. i lost my father to gun violence when i was 18 years old. i know how much pain people go through every single day in this country. i know that, that gun violence is the number one killer of children in america. and, i know that there is so much that we can do about this. and, i think most people out there agree with me if you are republican or a democrat. 80% of people in this country want, want universal background checks. does not matter your political affiliation. we can do this. we kind of have to steer the cruise ship there. it is going to take time. we need to implement laws that the vast majority of our country want and president biden is willing to do the work to try to get those changes. you have said in the past that before you lost your father, as you said when you were only 18, you felt like your life was impentrable nothing bad can happen to you. what do you say to those people who don t say gun violence is a part of their life so they don t make it a priority. you don t know. the chances are likely that you won t be impacted. but there is a good chance that you will, also. and the that is a scary thought. i am a recent grandfather. i have a granddaughter that is 18 months old. i am thinking a lot about when she goes off to kinder garten and she kindergarten and she will have to go through mass shooting drills and the trauma our kids across america go through just from the drills and the possibility of facing that kind of situation. it is traumatizing and it is just it is a terrible thought that all of our children are feeling this way. and, again, we know that common sense laws save lives, they absolutely do. and there is so much that we can do and, and it is kind of my civic project that i like to work on. it is just, you know, trying to help get the cruise ship moving. it is going to take a lot of work. it really is up to us as private citizens toip sift that our government, you know, take the necessary moves to make that happen. there is a lot of other public figures that share their views, many endorsed biden in 2020. many are staying quiet now. expressing public views right now is getting more and more difficult. the backlash is real. this is not going to be easy for you. you will get heat from all sorts of people. why did you decide to speak out? well, it is too important to save lives. and to, i think, do something that is important for our country. not that i am going to be able to do anything by myself but i have a platform. if i can at least get the message out there. i think it is important for families to talk about this issue, neighbors, friends, you know, there is not an attack on the second amendment. this is about implementing things that can save lives. and, again, it could be your own child, it can be your own mother or father, could be you. we have to understand the gravity of gun violence in our country. and not just pass it off as well, this is the price of freedom, you know. that is what a lot of people say. we have to have the freedom that the second amendment provides us. freedom should also be kids going to school and not being afraid. and, there are ways to do this. we can protect the second amendment but protect our citizens with some really simple laws. we just have to get everybody on board. it is such a political hot- button. it is really not a common thought in our country that this is a controversial issue. it is not. as i say, 80% of people want universal background checks. we should have that. that alone would save hundreds if not thousands of lives every year in america. you said it right there. it is a political hot-button issue. not when you go in people s homes and sit at their kitchen tables and talk to them about what matters to them. i do want to talk to you about something else that matters to you that you know a lot about. obviously basketball. before you go. you played with michael jordan on the chicago bulls, you know how this super star was treated early and the attention he got. given your experience, your firsthand knowledge, what do you think about caitlin clark s treatment so far in the wnba? i think it is a rite of passage. wnba or nba. other players will test you. she reminds me a lot of steph curry. a lot of people may not remember this but in his first couple of years he was not a super star. he was not who he is now. he had to get stronger, he had to understand people were coming after him. that is what is happening with her right now. i think it is all in the name of competition she is handling herself beautifully. she is an amazing player. like any player that comes into the wnba, nba it takes time, they have to get stronger. get used to the athleticism. she will be fine. i think everything she is going through right now is all part of being a pro. what do you think about the fact that she will not be at the olympics, you will be there? i am so excited. i am sorry she will not be. i am sure she will have a chance in four years. when you put the olympic teams together all you care about is winning. and, you know, it is probably going to take caitlin a couple years to be at the top. i think the women s team is taking the 12 players that they think can help bring home a gold and that is exactly what the men s team did. you know, that is the name of the game. no politics in the olympics. we just want to win. and i sure hope you do this year. i can say, nobody remembers when steph curry was not a super star. steve, great to see you, thank you for joining us tonight thank you, great seeing you. we will have more 11th hour after the break have morh hour after the break you know what s brilliant? 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who almost batch steph curry in a three-point shooting contest this past february at the starting name, what is it about caitlin clark? it s not just that she s white. steph curry stood out from other great black stars in the nba because he played in a way that was appealing and relatable. shooting from the logo, dr. jay was more appealing and brought in more fans and his teammate moses malone, who was a three-time mvp because dr. jay s game was more flamboyant. michael jordan wasn t just great. he was fun to watch caitlin clark is fun to watch. yeah. and she is going to be a star pretty much no matter what do you think she ll ultimately be an alternate for the olympic team? i think he could be. i think that s possible. and the concern that because she d be reserve and she wouldn t play that many minutes and therefore, her fans would be up in arms just put the point out there, educate them it would help the olympics. christine brennan made the same point. more eyeballs and limping straw. a lot of eyeballs to begin with, but it s a global event. more eyeballs on those games. how can that be bad caitlin clark is good for the league, good for everybody. in the league. i shall be good for the olympics to it if she got there, she will be there yeah. thank you. great. thank you. as always. and thank you for watching news night. laura coates live starts right now. tonight, donald trump tries to rewrite the history of january 6, yet again, as he now re-branded those who stormed the capital plus trump s interview with his probation officer. what we re learning about his virtual sit down and what it might mean for his chances at sentencing and new tonight, elon musk mad at apple over there, deal with openai, the threat he s now making good evening i m, jim acosta in for laurie votes on this monday night for months, donald trump has heatedly referred to january 6 rioters as hostages. there s obviously no truth to that, but trump has spent much of his campaign constructing an alternate reality for supporters so they can believe a different narrative when it comes to january 6, one that paints the former president as the real victim of the 2020 race. the race he lost the race. he tried to overturn, but now trump is road-tested. a new nickname for the people who attack the capital those j6 warriors, they were worries, but they were really more than anything else. the victims of what happened all they were doing is protesting a rigged election that s what they were doing. and then the police say go and go in, go in water, set-up. that was what a horrible, horrible thing. and you know, that blows two ways. warriors, he called them a reality check. if anyone was a warrior that de january 6, it was the brave police officers to face their wrath trying to defend the capital. people like my next guess, sergeant aquilino gonell, who was attacked and beaten as he tried to hold the line on january 6, he s here here s with me tonight, and i ll speak with him in just a few moments. but sergeant good now, is not donald trump s view of a warrior. know instead, this apparently is people like thomas webster. there you see him in the red jacket. prosecutors say he swung a metal flagpole at an officer before choking him with his chin strap. he was convicted and sentenced to ten years in prison. people like dominic puzzle prosecutor said he used a riot shield, a police riot shields is smashed through one of the capital windows, allowing the mob to storm in. he two was convicted and sentenced to ten years. in prison for his actions. now, trump is calling them warriors. trump has openly mused about issuing pardons for january 6 defendants. if he wins reelection advocating for their behalf has become a hallmark of his campaign. trump isn t running from january 6, in many ways, he s running on january 6. as you heard in that sound, a few moments ago, trump said, quote, what a setup that was, what a horrible thing. and you know, that goes two ways. that goes two ways. he said, joining me now, former us capitol sergeant aquilino gonell, he was he has been campaigning for president biden in some swing-state he s also the author of american shield, the immigrant sergeant, who defended democracy, sergeant canal. thank you very much for being with us. we appreciate it. i can t think of anybody better to join me. tonight s talk about this. you ve talked about january 6, the injuries that you suffered, the surgeries that you had to go through. i ve talked about this many times, physical therapy that you had to go through. you could have died that day and when you hear donald trump call these rioters and insurrectionists warriors what do you think? what s your reaction is a impudence to the sacrifice of many of the officers who risk at all to defend those electoral facial from the both parties we will protecting both nancy pelosi and kevin mccarthy the same thing. same way. we protect chuck schumer s much mechano and all the electrification from both party regardless of how political views. so we were actually doing our job and to hear those type of connotations coming from the foreign president is a desecration to a service we of officer who validly and bailey, definitely the kaprow a day. yeah. i mean, certainly going to you and i ve talked about this. i mean, one of the things that worries me about january 6 is that people are just sort of erasing it from their memories there s a lot of talk about whether we have trump amnesia going on. it sounds like there s a little bit of trump acceptance in january 6 upset acceptance what do you think is going on? why do you think there are people who go out to these rallies and applaud and shear when they hear him call people hostages. and in this case, warriors i mean, it s these are the same people that claim to be supported. the police officers. but yet they don t see us. the capitol police and metropolitan police those who defend the capital and our democracy on, that day as such they see us as an impediment to what they set out themselves to do, which was overthrown the world of people on jeremy six. and part of, part of that is the same people who we protect it. they had sided with the what the talking points, the foreign presence says that nothing happened if it did something did happen is not as bad as we say, but on jeremy six, there were scared. so scale of the mob that they ran for further live in fear. and that s unfortunate because he s talked about pardoning. yes some of these folks, all of them, i think what do you say about that? i mean, it s it s very unfortunate. again, we protected both parties the same. we were actually doing our job and those people who are in jail right now has been converted. i have been processed through the court system some of them today we re on trial and they were found guilty in a later date. they re going to be sentenced and some of the same people who assaulted me personally i ve gone through core multiple times, 23 so far and two weeks ago, one of them got 14 years for assault, multiple officers at the same time these are the type of people that he says that he s going to pardon rising up, telling them they are hostile years political prisoners and who are we the officers to them yeah. well, i think one of the things that is really disturbing about him referring to these individuals as warriors is it s almost as it sounds like he s thinking he sending these people into battle. well than sending them off to war against fellow americans. exactly. and that s the other thing is like he says, i think the same statement that it was oh, i set up well, who invoke them? to be there? the kaprow in the first place it wasn t capitol police. it wasn t metropolitan police. it was in the sayyed arms or anything like that jerry six wouldn t happen if he had not told those people in the middle of december 2020 to be at the end the capital for jeremy six, because i worked several chamfer power situation anyway, know that that was happening. that event was the last point of certification. i didn t know that. but i doubt that majority of the people in the american people knew that at all follower knew that onto he said such thing to bring him to invoke them, to come here to the capital four general six. well, certainly going now we cannot ever thank you enough for your bravery. what you did on january of six, what s your fellow officers? people like mike for now and harry dunn? we ve talked to them so many times over the year, over the years i really appreciate what you did that day. thank you so much. we can t forget and i know you and i were talking about this before the segment. you d like to see a plaque hanging in that tunnel at the capital that you and others defended that day, just so there is this recognition? correct. and this is something that was passed into law two years ago republican speaker of the house, mike johnson, continued to hold that plaque. approval in committee. and i want that plaque to be put in place for the next president, future president, to say. so they could see how a group officer, the name, read the names of the authors who risk at all to preserve our democracy and a day and very shameful for them to continue to hold it up. the same way that they say that they claim to be supported the police. but yet well, another thing that happened was somebody police officers, the capitol police union put a a proposal for two count some of the overtime service that they had done since january 6, to count tours, their retirement and republican on the senate, they blocked. all right we re going to continue to follow that as well. we ll stay on top of it. certainly can now great to see you. thanks for having so much today, donald trump clearing a hurdle on his way to being sentenced in new york city. he took part in a court-mandated pre-sentencing interview with a probational officer. normally they are done in person, but trump attended at virtually from florida, were told that took less than 30 minutes at a source told us that trump answered all the questions he was described as accommodating, respectful, and polite. that s quoting from that source, the probation department did not rule out the possibility of a follow-up meeting before his july 11 sentencing for falsifying business records and joining me now to talk about this, cnn legal commentator and former trump attorney chimp tim parlatore. and former commissioner of new york city s department of probation, martin horn. gentlemen, thanks for being with us late on this monday night. appreciate it, martin. this was bit of an unprecedented meeting today. a walk us through the kind of questions that the former president was likely asked well, he was sure asked to give his version of the offense. he was confronted with the charge against him and asked for his side of the story he was given an opportunity to put forth any mitigating factors that the judge should take into account in imposing sentencing. and i m sure or at least he was supposed to have been asked about his family situation is financial situation his education is employment history whether or not he s had any physical or mental issues that would interfere with his ability to support himself and i m sure that he answered them in a way that was favorable to himself yeah. and tim, 30 minutes. that seems kinda brief why do you suppose that is? well, the new york state presents interviews are much less involved than the federal ones. and so in particular, when you have a case like this where a defendant has been convicted after trial, but they do intend to appeal. they retain their fifth amendment rights through that those appeals. so i have no doubt that his attorneys advised him don t answer any questions regarding the offense and probably hold the probation officer look, he s invoking his fifth amendment. see, you can skip that part of the interview and just go straight to family history and things like that that really shortens the process. and martin, how much will the judge judge merchan take all of this into account hard to say. certainly this judge knows this defendants it s rare in new york for there to be situation where the defendant has been found guilty by a verdict at trial 95% of the findings of guilt or the result of a plea deal where the sentence has already been negotiated. so this is relatively rare, but again there may be factors that a defendant would want to bring to the judge s attention that has not previously been known. and remember, this interview is confidential, so it s an opportunity for the defendants to share with the judge mitigating factors that he or she might not i want to share with the general public and tim, what about all the comments that trump made outside the courtroom where he railed against the judge, blamed president biden for the prosecution, doesn t that get taken into consideration? and i have to ask you when here from sources that trump was bribed as a polite and cooperative sort of thing that doesn t sound like the donald trump that we saw outside the courtroom during the course of that trial. what do you make that? distinction there? for one thing, when he s outside of the courtroom in front of the cameras, he is both defendant trump, but he s also candidate trump. he s definitely playing it up for the purposes of the campaign. whereas he doesn t have to do that behind closed doors with a probation officer, a lot of the things that he said during those press conferences wouldn t be relevant at all. yeah. to this interview. so in fact, i m sure that todd blanche said we re not answering any questions about his opinions about the judge or anything like that. let s just stick to his history. and so to the extent that they re asking him questions about his family history is education is business history? i think that that s something that he would be very very common, very accommodating on. so i don t it doesn t surprise me at all, given the narrow scope of what they would be talking about. all right. will martin, tim? 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i mean, he s he s basically saying we can t compromise, won one side or the other is going to win here. is that, is that how a supreme court justice should know? i mean, it would seem to me that supreme court justices, when they deliver eight, they compromise all the time as they should. and i think his comments, when contrasted two chief justice roberts are unmeasured. roberts was very careful in how he responded. these types of leading questions and, you know, alito was just at the very least, very sloppy in his answers, but i don t know that it revealed a lot other than the fact that justice alito has a very conservative viewpoint that came across, but he shouldn t be. necessarily articulating it in the manner he he just did. yeah, maria, this filmmaker, laura in windsor, we should though, she s the one who went out and did this she went on to say this to justice alito. we put it up on screen people in this country who believe in god have got to keep fighting for that, to return our country to a place of godliness to that justice alito replied, i agree with you. i agree with you. now, again, she was posing as somebody who was supportive of him and but she was able to extract some very notable comments and pretty remarkable comments. it is disturbing on so many levels because he is in a position we already saw what he did. he was the one who wrote the argument that got rid of roe v. wade. and he used in at some arcane 18th century law that essentially said that women should be subservient, that we don t have the ability to make these decisions. and what he just said to ms windsor i mean, it reminded me of i don t know if you all have washed your feet. audience has watched handmade, stale yeah. that was gilead but he was described as one thing i was terrifying. there s one thing i wanted to talk about and i don t want to jam the segment because there s other stuff i want to get to, but what s fascinating about this audio of sam alito is in charlie, you know this from these confirmation hearings that make headlines up on capitol in the senate when supreme court justices go through that process there, so choreograph there, so scripted they re told what to say, what not to say, and they re very careful and answering all these questions here is just like a few minutes of audio. got probably more candor from justice alito that we got during the confirmation process. yeah. i was just shocked by how unguarded he was. yeah again, these you re right. you ve watched these confirmation hearings and they are so scripted, they are so careful not to say anything that might impact how they would have to rule on some matter before them in this case? you just do that all away he thought he was just talking to a friendly audience here and was surprised by the by the recording. but again he s gotten himself in trouble for a number of reasons now, just because he s not careful. yeah. marie, i do want to ask you about this. there s new video tonight of rudy giuliani speaking at a christian event at a church where he speaks in very derogatory terms about the fulton county attorney, fani willis. let s listen to this then. i ve got to prosecutors. sandi the whole i mean, you know wow. america s mayor, ladies and gentlemen, that well, yeah. i mean, once upon a time. yeah. i mean it s almost unfortunate to even bring this up because obviously it s just a horrendous thing to say. but i mean, it also speaks at what in the world has happened to read giuliani the fall from grace was fast and furious and it you know, talking to so many people who used to work with him and know him. they don t know who this person is. they don t know who that man. i ve known this guy for over 25 years and i don t know that could all i don t recognize them. it sad. this is a man who was, he was pro-choice on abortion. he was pro gay rights and but he got swept up with all this. trump s stuff and you just can t is it something about there are so many of them. they just feel like they have to slothouber all over donald. it s like it s it s cultish is held. but it s also kind of want to be relevant to add and pathetic, like kinda hanging on kinda clam and he s getting older. you want to be relevant, you want to be in the conversation. and so you go down this row, you don t want to just be the guy that goes to denny s for the grand slam special. you want to still be invited to speak at events and stuff. i don t almost wonder if there s any sort of mental decline there because he had he s commanded such respect at one point in his life. is this all worth it now, like is this the legacy? the he wants to leave his family and the history books because he is now a laughing stock and he will be this is what he s going to be remembered for yeah. what what what a legacy. i mean, he had a he had a good legacy. legacy, get a good legacy going out and the throw it all away. hey, just to be in trump s good graces should have quit at four seasons landscaping. but you know, to your point, jim, he s not the only one i ve heard so many people say that the moment that they have come into donald trump s orbit, something happens to them. they leave their spines on the table. they leave their character behind, and they are there to just genuflecting the altar of donald trump. and that is sad with charlie s saying, it just, just to be relevant, it s just it s just but then there comes the exercise and reputational rehabilitation for many. once i ve done it, they ve been there the whole time and then they then they realized well, maybe i m a little dirty and i can t wash it off and now they think now, then they tried to make amends as best they can, you know, once once they re no longer no longer close to power, that moment says more about giuliani than fani willis, sorry. charlie, maria, thank you very much. i just had a jury now deliberating the fate of hunter biden. that is federal gun trial. and it was a dramatic day in court with one family member seen weeping someone who was inside the courtroom joins me the assignments are. going off and playing the tornado here i m thinking i m going to die and i thought that was it. violin earth with liev schreiber. sunday at nine on cnn lumina whitening strips know grok side, no pain i can use them every day if i want he what i want drink what i want, profit aluminium strip and l0 my smile is back on point easy is outdated. dmv has two forms of my id think of all the places that can expose your info, lifelong monitors millions of data points for identity theft. there s a problem. we fix it, guaranteed sentenced, you make a sale is now odd with race from 199 for a person per night. this is sad those.com or call 1800 sand if you have chronic kidney disease, you can reduce the risk of kidney failure with part sega because they re places who d like to be for seeker can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections and low blood sugar are rare life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin the perineum could occur, stop taking four sika and call your doctor right away at the symptoms of disinfection and allergic reaction or ketoacidosis find anything let me start when i do my friends, i can find anything with myself see something that you like we ll round it will be something wait. no, i m always hot sleep number doesn t match. can i make my side softer? 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that s pretty rough. great. i mean, the biden family was there, right? the whole entire trial. so first lady was there almost every day. his sister, his wife, they were their most days and i think throughout the trial, including on closings, they all had different reactions. sometimes strong reactions, right. i mean, i think one thing that sticks out is whenever they played the voice of hunter biden reading his memoir, particularly at the beginning, you saw real emotional reaction from someone the biden family, and i think today they went hard after the prosecutors went hard after his past drug use and used it in very vivid, brutal language. i m sure for the family to hear. so there was reaction to that yeah. tim, i mean, could some of this backfire? i mean, a lot of people have sympathy for folks who were battling drug addiction in the prosecution kind of going after hunter biden on addiction in that way could backfire with at least a couple of the jurors in a way that might. not bode well for the prosecution i think you can. i mean, it s something that we saw during the trial with jurors reacting to this they ve made him a sympathetic character, which is not something the prosecution normally, once do something also that they didn t really address so much during closing arguments, but i think that may affect the jurors is if you hit him so hard on his drug use do you undermine his ability to really think through and form the requisite criminal intent. so i do think that that could be something that would backfire. yeah. and perry, the prosecution during one moment, pointed to the three rows and the courtroom taken by the biden family biden supporters, including the first lady, saying that people sitting in the gallery are not evidence in the case, do we know how that played with the jury? and i mean, obviously that goes without saying, but how did that go over in the courtroom? yeah i mean, we don t write we don t know, but obviously the fact that prosecutors did that to me suggests that they feel at least that having the first lady right? the first lady always a pretty popular figure. jill biden is a popular figure, so they obviously were at least fearful of how that would play with the jury, right? this is a pretty remarkable thing. he s the charges themselves aren t the case is not it s a gun case, but the fact that you have the first lady, this this man s mom sitting there every day of the trial and it wasn t just her. i mean, this is, a jury of dealt people from delaware, wilmington city council person, a very popular are from what i understand a well-known pastor and wilmington as that first, there were lots of people that the jury could recognize and people do this all the time. obviously, they re there for support for hunter biden, but i don t know what the family exactly was thinking, but in lots of defendant s bring family with them, people that know them to show that the jury that they are loved supported person have people that early think they re good members good yeah. and tim, i was wondering about i ve been wondering about this the entire trial, whether or not the biden family s trying to send the message to the jury to the judge, to the courtroom. this is a personal matter this is a biden family matter what did you make of the family being there in the first lady i mean, being there throughout this case. i mean, it s certainly is a lot more sympathetic than back when i used to represent wise guys with their families there are but i think it is one the trump case. i mean, you saw some family members were there somewhere? it is. and it s something that if if in prosecution in this case is kind of on the underdogs politically with this jury, ordinarily said defenses, something you have to address. you have to acknowledge, hey, look, i recognize that there are these these passions and these things, but i m asking you as the jury to get past that. so i think that the prosecution was right to at least acknowledge it, but don t dwell on it. and i think that it is something that jurors look at it s one of the reasons why you want to have the family there if the family can be sympathetic. right. all right. tim perry thanks very much. really appreciate it in the meantime, elon musk giving a big warnings and iy is threatening to ban apple devices at his company s next you 19th, cnn celebrated juneteenth, his by john legend, eddie lewbel you robinson, we still have a lot of work to do. june team celebrating freedom and legacy. wednesday, june 19 at ten on cnn in an detect this. living with hiv. robert learned he can stay undetectable with fewer medicines. that s why he switched to nevado divider was a complete hiv treatment for some adults. no other complete hiv pill uses fewer medicines to help keep you undetectable, than davon detect this morning to learn that most hiv pills contain three or for medicines, devito is as effective with just two if you have hepatitis b, don t stop to vada without talking to your doctor. don t take to vada. if you re allergic to its ingredients are taking dofetilide. this can cause serious or life-threatening side effects if you have a rash or allergic reactions, symptoms stopped to vado and get medical help right away, serious or life-threatening lactic acid buildup and liver problems can occur. tell your doctor if you have kidney or liver problems or if you are pregnant? 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is this a threat? is that what s going on? it is so elon musk, just raise $6 billion for his own competitive ai company called xii and there s also some sort tensions and feelings because he was a co-founder of openai. many years ago, he left in 2015 teen arguing that they weren t doing the best at safety and data protection. and so you can see why he s going after apple now for this partnership. but honestly gym, the whole thing just feels really petty. yeah. why did he can t own everything? but when it comes to safety and security, does allowing open ai to integrate into the iphone make the product less safe? i mean, we know elon musk has he has issued these warnings. he was up on capitol hill recently saying ai could lead to an extinction event or whatever. we hear from folks who are concerned about this sort of thing. you don t want to conflate two issues. so if we don t regulate ai at all, yes, it could lead to some really bad consequences. but looking at this narrowly about whether or not apple partnering with openai is some essential privacy threat is not the same thing as it being a long-term threat to humanity. apple has rolled out so many different apps across devices. it has rolled out different privacy features that you and i are used to. how many times have you clicked? ask app not to track me. yeah, they have privacy measures in place and the other thing to note, jim, apple works with millions of developers anytime you re downloading an app in an app store, that s a third party developer that apple allows on its platform, there are plenty of sun security measures in place to make sure that it s safe. yeah. and we already have ai in our phones anyway. i mean, i was looking at instagram recently and i noticed, okay, there s an ai function on instagram, so it s there, it s happening part of the promisee, the privacy issue to jim is consumers have to be aware of what they re sharing. apple is going to protect your data from openai that s part of their promise here. but it s on you not to share anything that you think is so sensitive that you wouldn t want it to potentially be breached. they don t put your credit card information in chatgpt? yeah. and openai as deals with both microsoft and apple i mean, open ai seems to be kind of cornering the market here what are the implications there? so microsoft is a huge backer of openai. they own 49% of it. and that means that openai will be the primary company that gets access to all of its products, like linkedin et cetera. openai is also taking the lead on striking deals with a bunch of ip holders. think about news publishers, et cetera. they are competing against google and a few other companies. but really openai has become the most recognizable name because they re consumer-facing app chatgpt is so popular. and there s been a lot of talk at well, apple needs to make the iphone sexy again, it needs to make a cool again, it s sort of become like an appendage we re all used to having the iphone weathers does ai do this? does it get in the neighborhood of doing that, making the iphone more interesting? it helps. i mean, if you think about it in the us, jim, the vast majority of people use apple ios devices, but abroad that s not the case. so what they need to do is make sure that their phone is the best smartphone out there on the market so that they can expand their dominance globally. and then the other thing is apple is making more and more money off of services. so like payments that you get from itunes or from buying extra cloud storage or average pricing, because hardware sales have leveled off. and so if they re investing in ai, they re hoping you re going to spend more time with the app. they can eventually serve you more ads and all of their different functions. and they can up charge you that way. the thing with apple is and, you know, i figured this out. this is why i saw the iphone bove is because i got the screen protector, i got the case. i don t break it anymore. so they i m not getting new iphones every six months like i used to, but that might be affecting things. i want to work on that make them more breakable? yes. exactly. but this is how they re going to hook you, right? if they can get you to buy and transact more on the old phone that you have that s money for them alright. very good. sara fisher. thanks very much. i ll go back to my trying to figure out facebook with my reading glasses on here. all right. no, just kidding. sarah. thanks a lot. thank you. wnba star caitlin clark left. you heard about i m i m actually i might go off a little bit in this next segment. it s getting late. ep told me we can say anything during this hour. this may happen in the next segment, she was left off the us roster for the paris olympics. my next guest says it s one of the worst decisions she has seen and 40 years of covering the games. i agree. and we ll talk about those in just a few moments all right? this election season, stay with cnn with more reporters on the ground. and the best political team and the business follow the voters follow the results, follow the facts follow. cnn artificial intelligence it s transforming agriculture, advancing life-saving healthcare, and strengthening small businesses this game changing technology is supporting every sector of american because economy. today, america leads the world in ai because our companies are investing billions in this new technology. but china wants to leap ahead of america and become the global leader in technology. are leaders in congress need to stand up for innovation and protect america s competitive edge. this is a futurama go daddy arrow creates a logo website, even social posts and minix ai hey, i like it was the gum, see the view, get your business online in minutes with godaddy arrow. find a great deal for your ideal hotel opened your vargo typing where you wanna go, select your check-in and check-out dates. search compare prices for the same hotel and save up to $30.09 hotel trivago nothing dems my light like a migraine with nortech ott. i found relief. the only migraine medication that helps treat and prevent all-in-one to those with migraine. i see you. review acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults don t take if allergic to in our technology team, allergic reactions can occur even days after using most common side effects are nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. it s time. we all talk to a health care provider that nortech ott from pfizer work play link relief work play blinking really, the only three and one extended release formula for dry eyes like i consumer cellular, we pride ourselves on giving you fast, reliable, nationwide coverage and up to half the cost and the leading carriers, but don t worry, we ve got more than that going for us. new customers who buy any phone get two months of service. freeman who signed up by july 31st, color go online to switch today. lumen is the first fluoride free to paste. i ve ever found that actually works. my dentist was blown away with how clean and white my teeth, my gums and teeth are so healthy, it s crazy you can get luminoso, toothpaste at walmart and target. one second. she can t walk. then she can one second. you re single. and then you don t want to be one second. it s a pipe dream. and the next it s a dream come true one second. you ll save. and then we solve away well we sti a slow network is no network for business. that s why more choose comcast business. and now, we re introducing ultimate speed for business our fastest plans yet. we re up to 12 times faster than verizon, at&t, and t-mobile. and existing customers could even get up to triple the speeds. at no additional cost. it s ultimate speed for ultimate business. don t miss out on our fastest speed plans yet! switch to comcast business and get started for $49.99 a month. plus, ask how to get up to an $800 prepaid card. call today! go to deal dash.com and see how much you can save the cnn presidential debates. june 27th, nine live on cnn and streaming on max closed captioning is brought to you by ucar, help maintain a healthy urinary tract with you, cora? 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it s stupid. stephen smith there, even the x account of the republican house judiciary committee posted quote, caitlin clark should be on the olympic team cnn sports analyst in usa today columnist christine brennan broke this news over the weekend. it was a blockbuster. she joins me now, christine, great reporting as always okay. i was saying before the break and i was told by the i believe i was told by the executive producer i m i show that i could on this show that i can give my opinion on this and i m going to give my opinion this stinks. yeah, this sucks. i m sorry. but caitlin clark should be on this team and i m sorry if i m just no way you re aside here, but i am jim. you re not alone. there are millions of people who agree with you. caitlin clark is one of the most popular, if not the most popular athlete in the country, male or female? well, any sport. and this was an opportunity for usa basketball to really grow the women s game. and i can speak as someone who s been to ten summer olympics going all the way back to 1984 when i started in kindergarten. and i ve covered women s basketball at every olympics and what you see in the press tribune at the gold medal game for the us women s basketball team, tumble weeds. most female sports writers they don t want anything to do with the women s basketball team. they want to cover the men or people are covering other events. you bring caitlin clark to paris and the eyeballs of the entire world are on her. the media coverage you re going to have reporters from all over wanted to come and see this american sensation, even if she only played four or 56 minutes again. and all the other players would have gotten publicity in the process. the headlines that they so richly deserve. why was she left off the team? i m still reporting that i ve talked to people. here s what we ve seen in the wnba so far. it s been a chilly reception for caitlin clark with some of the other players might that have something to do with it? could, it could. i reported i have two sources actually now a third who confirmed for me that part of the conversation in the calculation of whether to put her on the team or not? was and this shock the living daylights out of me, jim, was that there was concern that if you put her on the team and she only gets a few minutes of playing time her millions of fans back in the united states and radio shows and whatever would create controversy about. now, i laughed when i first heard that i thought that cannot be something that s being you say can we say bs can i say? what can i say it at this hour? how about say enough, we should be able to say that is how about that? i m sorry. they re not going to ask you to fill in for laurie again. that is like seventh grade going on fourth-grade. okay. the reason why she is so special and we all saw this when she was out there on on the on the court. she can he that three-point shot from so i mean, it s just unbelievable. washington du and the passes that having you and i ve talked about this, what she does on the court is remarkable. it s the high-wire act at the circus. watch or bring the ball down, the logo 3s rebounding may be more important, but you ve got five or six people down there throwing elbows and i m a tall woman. i was the one under the basket. yeah. but for the uninitiated fan, people who are just coming to basketball, which is by the way, millions and millions of people to watch her they don t necessarily know that, but they can keep their eye on her. the singular figure down the court heaving that three, the beautiful passes and it s just great fun to watch it. as i said, it is that kind of trapeze act. and that s the entertainment value that the wnba and usa basketball, i m not so sure that that they re thinking about but the team and about who s been there before. and you don t want to miss this up. the cohesin lock around it all of a once in a lifetime for women s sports, growing the game. think of the number. there are also other great players. well, that would get the attention. fabulous players that they have never gotten that as i was saying earlier, how about the 20 to us? i say jersey. how many would have been sold in africa, in europe, and asia the money that could have been made for youth development programs for getting more girls in the game women s sports needed this desperately and it s just a huge missed opportunity and christine, the other thing that i wanted to say about this one, i saw caitlin clark s the comments, the way she handled this class act handily perfectly, which i have to think is probably irritating the living daylights or whoever is mad at her right now. jim scene is taking this out on her, is 22 22,000,000,040 the weight of the world dawn staley said it took the microphone at the women s final game and said, you ve been shouldering the burden for our league women s sports. we have never seen anyone quite like this. i mean, going back probably the billie jean king, she s bigger than the 1999 and women s world cup. and the big winner in all this at the end of the day, caitlin clark yeah, she s handling it. the sympathy, the support that she has. but again, just think of what could have been in paris and the thing that i worry about and maybe you can tell me because you know this better than i would know. i have started to worry about caitlin clark a little bit that we re going to get into one of these situations where we see these athletes and there s just so much piled on top of them because of the spotlight, because of the pressure, it can cause problems. and we ve seen this, we ve talked about sport, mental health of athletes from naomi osaka to michael phelps, and on it goes caitlin clark has a confidence about her that is very much in keeping with someone born in 2000 to getting full blast title nine she is also so comfortable in insider skin, so composed. i met her for the first time on friday. interviewed are for the first time and i was even more impressed and i had been from watching from far. do you think there s any chances were running out of time that they reversed this decision. i i think we should predict i won t put words in your i think they re going to reverse this decision. well, they re announcing it tomorrow and i don t think they ll do it then she would be an alternate and there could be injuries. in fact, one of the guards is injured, right now and that could be tuition. to keep an eye on because you re right. there s such an outcry and i don t think usa basketball i know for a fact, having interviewed these people, they had no idea the national outrage that they were going to unleash. there s outrage, and that is i can tell.
thank you for watching, while we were just talking about this summer s o olympics it is also worth noting that just minutes from now we will officially be two years out from the fifa world cup which will take place here in the u.s. after 30 years and you re in luck. get your count down clock started now. and on that note i wish you a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks at nbc news, thanks for staying up late with me. i ll see you at the end of tomorrow. thank you for joining us this hour. really happy to have you here. we have an interesting show for you tonight. i m particularly glad you re here for us. we re going to start a ways back as we sometimes do. when allied soldiers came ashore on the coast of france on the beaches of normandy for the d day invasion. they opened up new western front against the nazis in europe. and that of course was a shock to the germans right. this, the operation overlore, the d day invasion it relied on the element of surprise. and the germans really were shocked. they had been occupying france for four years at that point. they had installed a collaborationist regime that they fashioned from nazi forces inside france. the collaborationists and the nazis together were ruling france and they had been for years. there was a french resistance to the nazis but the nazis and their puppets were definitely in charge. they were actually heading into year five of being in charge. they were really settled in in france. and then here comes this shock arrival. this invasion, hundreds of thousands ultimately millions of ally troops landing on the beaches and the cliffs or the northwest of france and they are clearly planning to take it all back. the d day invasion, the allied invasion started on june 6th. now on this date, on june 10th, 1944 just four days into the d day invasion, the germans were reacting. they had been of course shocked by the initial invasion. but a few days into it they now realize the scale of what they were up against and they had started scrambling their units from all over france. turning all the available german troops in france toward the northwest of that country to try to stop the allied advance. and that included a nazi assess panser division that had been in the south of france down by toulousse. that division was ordered to essentially traverse south of the country and toward the beaches of normandy. and on their way north through france toward the new allied front lines the new western front, this panser division stopped in a village called orador, pronazi french collaborators had told them. they told this panser unit that the french resistance was active many this town and told them that the french resistance had killed a nazi officer. and in response that panser unit that yes they were on the way to go join the new western fronts and the battle for the whole war, right. to try to shore up the german lines against the big allied invasion but they decided that on the way they would stop and destroy that village and everyone in it. they rounded up every woman, and child in that village. they even rounded up people who did not live in the village but who were near by or had the misfortune of passing through the village when the nazi unit made this decision. that nazi unit killed every human being in orador or everyone they could find. they killed 643 civilians a vast majority of them women and children. they used machine guns and they burned them alive. they looted the entire village and then they tore down the village as best they could, they razed it. orador. this is what it looks like today. still in ruins. the french decided after the war they would never rebuild. they would leave the ruins, preserve them as they were left at the end of the war as a memorial to what the nazis did. and we have these photos of what orador looks like today. literally today because this morning the president of france and the president of germany visited the ruins at orador to commemorate what they called the martyrdom. now this is not the first time that french president emmanuel macron has visited orador. 10 days before he was first elected president he went there. he visited the village, just before he was elected president. he visited in the company of the man who was then the last living survivor of that massacre. i said the nazis killed everyone in the village. at least everyone they could find. the nazis kill over 600 civilians that day but there were about half a dozen people from the village who against all odds in a miracle managed to survive. the last one of the survivors was in his 90s when he brought emmanuel macron to orador. that last survivor has since died. but today macron went back to the site to orador to show this place to germany s president. now, in 1944 about six month, after orador happened, the germans were still hanging on. but thanks in large part to the d day invasion they knew by the end of 1944 that they were losing. they were losing to soviet forces in the east for sure. they were also simultaneously losing to the allied forces coming in from the west. once the allies opened that new western front with the d day invasion, they started pressing their advantage against the nazis ever where. they re not only liberating france. they re pressing toward germany itself. hitler knows they cannot sustain the losses they re taking on both the eastern and western fronts. so about six months app after d day. hitler decides he s going to form a huge counter offensive against the allies. the allies are closing in on germany s own borders. when hitler musters hundreds of thousands of men to mount a counter offensive against them in the forests of belgium, it absolutely is a surprise to the allies. nobody thought germany still had them in them. a lot of people thought that the war would be done by christmas that year. where did the germans muster 4,000, 5,000 men to counter this offensive but they did. that began a 6 week battle, that would become the biggest counter of the war. as far as that brutal war of that battle. that was the battle of the bulge. that battle also came with its own astonishing and unforgettable atrocity. it was another panser unit much like the one in orador. they ended up in the very outset of that surprise german counter offensive. they ended up ambushing a bunch of americans. the result was they took custody of a large group of american prisoners of war. unarmed american pows. and these pows they again they had surrendered, they had no weapons. the nazis lined up those americans on a field. they are pows, they had surrendered, had no weapons. but the nazis just massacred them on that field. and just like in orador is the fact that there were somehow miraculously some survivors. there were some american gis who had also been lined up on that field who nevertheless lived. americans gi who played dead, who hid under the dead bodies of their comrades. who managed in the end to drag themselves into the woods to get away. and what happened to them? you will not believe me when i tell you this but it would not be long before a sitting united states senator would vehemently object to them giving testimony of what they saw, to what happened to their platoon men. the other pows who were massacred by the nazis. a sitting u.s. senator tried to block those veterans from testifying. he said the american people shouldn t hear it. he said it would be inflammatory, it would inflame the americans against those nazis who killed the american pows. i find it absolutely insane to think about but this became a very strange thing in american domestic politics. i mean, there were unrepenitent left over nazis. they were trying to make americans the real bad guys. when you think about unrepenitent nazis who just lost the war. the thing that you wouldn t believe is that they enlisted a lot of americans to help them in that project. including taking a stand against the american soldiers who survived that pow massacre and demanding that the nazis who did it should be set free. this became a cause seleb in the right wing at the time. it helped launch the national career, the rocket ship ascendants of arguably the most radical figure in the last 80 years before donald trump. while he was swimming in these very dark waters. darker than seems possible in mainstream american politics he would go on to lead a movement of millions of followers who were increasingly radicalized by his increasingly radical rhetoric and tactics over time. his fellow republicans were both repelled by him, horrified by him. while they also wanted in on some of the massive political energy and fanatical devotion that he attracted. they thought very seriously about putting him forward for the presidency. and the reaction among close observers of him and his tactics looked so much like what you are seeing in the american press today about the fear of a second trump term you wouldn t believe it isn t just a straight up rerun. in his time the people who stood up against him, mostly got mowed down in politics by the strength of his fanatical following. that happened for a very long time. until eventually ultimately it stopped happening and the forces against him prevailed. and i m telling you this for two reasons. number one, this is the thing that i have been working on for the past year. my podcast rachel maddow presents ultra is out today. you can get it any where you get podcasts. if you don t usually listen to podcast you don t know how to do that. if you open your phone right now, open the camera, you click on the little box that pops up on your phone, it will bring you right there so you can listen to it. you can listen to it for free. it s free to listen to. there are eight episodes of this all together. episode one is out today. i hope you will want to listen. i ve been working very hard on it. i m very proud of it but i just, i hope you like it. i hope you will check it out. so that s one of the reasons i m telling you this story. i have been working on this story. i had been working in general on stories about other times in our american history that we have dealt with really terrible threats to the country. where we have confronted really radical people with really radical refine who get into political power and attract large followings. this has happened to us before. the reason i ve been working on this for the last couple of years including this new one that launches today, for me, i feel like i really need to learn this stuff and fast. for me there is a real urgency to learn these stories now. from when we have contended with terrible challenges before. particularly what we re talking about powerful americans, advocating for athoriatism. when it s about selling lies to the american public. and half is mortified by that but the other half of the public are super energized by it. they not only believe these lies they kind of become the new reason for them to live. the public gets gets like that, into earth one and earth two. and that place takes radicalizing them and it takes over their lives. we are living through a moment like that right now with what is ascendant at the american life. but we ve lived through this before. i feel i m racing to learn these stories about american who is have fought these kinds of fights before us for the simple reason that i feel like, i need their ideas about how to fight it. we need their ideas about how to fight these things. we need to see what worked and what didn t when americans faced threats like this before. and it doesn t mean that fighting them always works. sometimes they get away with a lot of this stuff and sometimes people take on incredible risk and danger to themselves. sometimes people risk their lives or give up their lives to fight these things but knowing the track records of americans who have stood up against these kinds of dark and authoritarian forces. knowing who else has tried it and what happened to them is helpful to us calibrating our available responses now and knowing what to expect when we confront these dark movements. so that is why i ve been working on this. and that is why that story is on my mind. tonight. but it is also what s on the news right now. i mean one of the remarkable things about seeing the french president with the german president at the ruins of orador today in france is they took that tour of the ruins of that village today. that preserved memorial to what fascism did in europe. they took that tour this morning. just one day after the german far right and the french far right won shockingly large proportions of the vote in the european elections that were held yesterday. in both of those countries the parties that did so well have ties not only to the old fascist parties of world war ii era germany and france but they both have tied to putin and russia. when president biden was in france, he and president macron agreed on a new plan to seize russian assets in the g7 countries and use those seized russian assets to provide more support to ukraine as ukraine continues to struggle against the russian invasion of that country. president biden is just back from france for these d day commemoration ceremonies. he heads back to europe the day after tomorrow to go to the g7 summit. among other things presumably to try to rally the other g7 nations to support this new plan. to support ukraine as much as possible including this new plan that he and macron have just agreed to involving seizing russian assets to help ukraine even more. and you know, in the american aperture here what s going on here in our politics while president biden is trying to you know rally the free world trying to strengthen our alliances as much as possible to lead collective international will, against a rogue dictatorship that has invaded one big european country already and has its sights set on more. here at home, literally while president biden and other american leaders were headed off to europe for the 80th anniversary of d day, while they were heading off to europe for that, what was happening in the american congress? a fifth of the republicans in congress just voted that we should leave our allies all together. that we should break up the big western alliance. that we should defund nato. and i think nobody really paid attention to this vote because this legislation was put forward by a very fringe member of congress. a member of congress who is known for her publicity stunts and she is therefor, i am eager, she is easy to ignore. but it wasn t just her. 47 republicans voted for this thing. a fifth of the republicans in congress last week voted to defund nato. don t just forget being the leader of the free world forget the whole idea of there being a free world at all. they saved that for the anniversary of d day. 46 republicans voting to defund nato. and as radical as that may seem, particularly when you think about where nato came from and why. the wing of the republican party that is pushing for this stuff, i mean on its face it seems unlikely that they would have such sway. right every few days we get a new mug shot of one of their leading lights because so many of them have been charged with crimes. today, it was their presidential candidates personal lawyer. who has had his law license suspended, who is under indictment rudy giuliani s mug shot just released today after he was arraigned in arizona. you can put it up on the wall with all the other maga republican mug shots we have accrued in the past year. their presidential candidate is a convicted felon. today he had to meet with his probation officer. people in his rallies not only fly t-shirts and fly flags that have his mug shot on them. they started carrying signs and wear shirts that say they are proudly voting for the convicted felon. at a rally this weekend, their presidential candidate described members of the mob of his supporters who physically attacked congress an injured dozens of police officers he described them in a speech this weekend as quote warriors. his warriors. people who took part in that mob attack on congress. his warriors. while a few days ago, two police officers who were both badly injured fighting hand to hand with that mob to defend congress, to defend the u.s. capital, those two police officers were jeered and booed by the republicans. they jeered them, turned their backs on them and walked out. these are two officers who were injured in that fight. they were literally injured defending our congress. but the republicans who jeered at them and turned their backs on them and walked out they want the attackers freed and they don t want to hear what these survivors of the attack had to say. they don t want to hear from the survivors and the witnesses they want the attackers set free. we are going through some weird stuff right now. but we have gone through weird stuff before. and i do think that we can learn from it and that we urgently need to. that s why i ve been working on all these projects. that s why i have this new podcast out and i hope you listen to it. it wasn t from the recent past, when we got donald trump in the white house in the first place. you may remember what proceeded. our shock presidential election result in 2016 was proceeded that year by some shocking and surprisingly right wing election results in europe. including the brexit vote which happened just months app months after trump s presidential win. was it right to see right wing election results in europe as a harbinger of what was happening to us in 2016. as biden has back to back trips to europe. he just got back to europe. he heads back to europe again on wednesday. do the election results from europe right now, this weekend have hallmarks that tell us anything about what to expect here and about how weird this is all going to get? president biden clearly sees our connections to europe right now as absolutely key to the future of the world. just what s going on in the european politics right now tell us anything to expect about the future of our world here? joining us now is ben rhodes. he s cohost of the pod save the world podcast. ben it s really great to see you. thanks for making time to be here tonight. good to see you. first, let me just ask you, for some of our viewers who may not have paid close attention to what was happening in the european elections this weekend. let me ask you two questions about them. do you think they are important for us to pay attention to, and can you give us a rough characterization of what happened in those elections? sure, these are elections for the european parliament. so the european union wide parliament. it s the only election that takes place every few years in which all of europe votes. so it s a good barometer of where opinion is in europe. i think the two headlines are, the far right made noticeable gains in the two largest countries in europe. france and germany. and france the national front party which is the far right party that used to be on the fringes of french politics, emerged as by far the largest vote getter in this election and just build on, what you were saying, rachel, this is a party that is far right they got a $10 million loan from russia in the last decade. this is reality. and in germany, the afd party which has ties that go back to the neonazi germany. they got 15% of the vote. not a huge total but very alarming given the source here. i want to be clear in other parts of europe, the center did hold. but the two most important countries france and germany we saw these far right gains. do you think that it s right to look back at 2016 to see some of what was going on in europe as a harbinger for the shocking election result we got in 2016 when trump won. do you think these election results should be read as a harbinger of what s coming down the pipeline for us this year? i absolutely do, rachel. the commonality about the brixit vote and the trump election was that it was a lot, it was a surprise. people did not think that brexit was going to win that campaign and they campaigned on a right wing populous message. the slogan was take back control. and they ran against globalists and liberal elites and against immigration and was very trumpy in its message. it kind of forshadowed what we ended up taling with in the fall. the warning in this election and you asked me a question to talk about my book a few years ago about far right parties and their commonalities around the world. you asked me what lesson should we learn. i always think about that. the lesson i take from this is there are incumbent parties in europe and france that have defended the status quo. emmanuel macron has been a defendant of the liberal union. people are not listening to that message right now. you cannot defeat these parties. these populous by beating the status quo. that s hard for the united states. but you have to tap into people s disfraction with globalization. dissatisfaction with inequality. that things are slipping out of control. it s not enough to say, we re the responsible adults you have to get down and have a message for how things are going change. i think that s the warning sign joe biden should hear. not enough to run on status quo. not enough to defend even things we think are very important. you have to meet people where they are and people are frustrated. ben rhodes former deputy national security advisor to president obama. ben, thank you for making the time. i feel like, when we need to like widen the lens a lot and look at america in the world, you re almost always one of the first people i think about on these things. thank you for being here. i can t wait for you to check out the podcast too, it sounds great. i appreciate it. thank you. we have much more ahead here tonight, please stay with us. that s why he 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had to stand up against forming the basis for this sprawling damming criminal indictment. the other story of georgia since that election is all the work that protrump republicans have done to make sure nothing like that ever happens again. to make sure nobody can ever again get in the way of trump seizing georgia s 16 electoral votes no matter what the votes say. the most obvious thing georgia republicans have done is used every tool at their disposal to derail willis prosecution of trump. in the latest, two republicans judges have placed the trial on pause. guaranteeing they will not go forward on trump before the election. that s only the start. in georgia s most populous country, one republican elections board member last month refused to certify the primary results there. because you know, elections are scary. with the help of lawyers from a protrump think tank she has now filed a lawsuit seeking the power to block the certification of elections which would of course throw november s results in georgia into chaos. which is presumably the point. meanwhile just north of fulton county republicans recently started agitating to take over an elections board in cherokee county. now the board there like other countries in georgia, has always been evenly split between democrats and republicans. but republicans are no longer okay with that they wanted a full scale republican take over. when that was blocked they came up with an ingenious new plan. they decided they would replace one of the democratic commissioners who had been nominated by the local republican party with their own choice. their own choice for a democrat. a new guy that none of the local democrats have never heard of. but don t worry, the republicans who run cherokee county swear this guy they picked is definitely a democrat. the atlanta general constitution reported that the republican cherokee county commission chairman quote assured the board the new board member is a democrat even if the local 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last month one of its republican members was ousted after trump reportedly spent months calling georgia republicans insisting that that election board member had to go. because that person was not backing trump s lies about the 2020 election. and so of course the guy had to go. trump s personal involvement in remaking the georgia state elections board, is just one of the revelations in new reporting from rolling stone. their new piece is headlined georgia is our laboratory. inside trump s plan to rig 2024. it details how trump s allies are working to make sure there will not be a straightforward election result in georgia this year. given georgia s status. what is happening there, what is happening to stop what is happening there. one of the reporters on that rolling stones piece joins us here next. stay with us. this soil will blow you away. it s the martha stewart of soil. when i was diagnosed with h-i-v, i didn t know who i would be. but here i am. being me. keep being you. and ask 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other, excuse me. order, order. by a larger margin than any other statewide office. the voters. order, order. have demonstrated their faith and therefor i do not believe that at present we have the authority to oversee or investigate the secretary of state. when georgia s board of elections the lone democrat on that elections vote spoke out against doing this unprecedented investigation of rathenburger. she was loudly shouted down? in a new article titled georgia is our laboratory. inside trump s plan to rig 2024, rolling stone says this, they have been shaping electoral processes to his benefit. maga die-hards are intimidating officials and ousting election officials who haven t been initiated into the cult of trump. georgia is the sole battleground state where the republican party has total control over power. have wielded that advantage in a crusade to convert, discredited election conspiracy theories into policies. well ahead of election day 2024. it s an alarmingly experiment that trump planned and much of the republican party hope to take national. joinening joining us now is donald rolsing. thank you for joining us. thank you for having me. so what are the steps trump has taken to take the electoral of georgia. one of the most disturbing one. who an attorney, a republican attorney they are planning to challenge the electoral results regardless of the result. we think of, the threat to elections from trump s behavior in to 2020 as only occurring in the event that trump loses. at the current state polling, trump is ahead in polling. if you believe the polling. but what they told us is that quote, you can t let the left get away with this cheating just because it didn t succeed you know air qualities around cheating. and the plan is to, challenge the results regardless of the outcome. the intent behind that is essentially a permanent delitimazation. heads you win, heads i lose. one of the things people should be paying close attention to is that refusal to certify in the fulton county board of elections in the presidential primary: because one of the things that s very, very notable about that is that the attorneys who filed that lawsuit work for america first policies institute. which is a very trumpy organization filled with former trump folks. and what you see in those type of processes is the legal january 6th in miniature. you re taking someone who is you know, acting beyond their brief and trying to essentially insert themselves into the counting and you know assessment of vote tallies. adam, is this actually a fight in georgia? you note, i think importantly that georgia is a place where republicans control all of the levers of power. we just played a the sound of the state elections board getting shouted down when she objected to what they were trying to do in terms of targeting rafensburger. is this fight joined where there s push back against what they re doing. or are they essentially running the table by changing processes to their own benefit. they definitely have quite a built in advantage. and i think that s why georgia, you know relative to other battleground states is particularly interesting because it is more so than perhaps any other state a fight for the sole republican party es especially when it comes to their sole. yeah in fact, kemp which was in the way of trump. kemp signed procedural jim crow of the 20th century. even folk who is have proven themselves to be obstacle to some of the most overt processes of it sometimes just go along to get along. it definitely does have an advantage and they are running the table in certain ways but you see folks like ed lyndsey who s resignation letter we obtained in the story. people like that you still do have these kind of principal republicans who are willing to stand up for what they believe in. as you see ed had resigned from a great deal of pressure from not just president trump but the grass roots of the party who believe in a lot of election 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