her deck before and after. snow totals that brought you to 30 inches. there are those pictures. the homes sliding into the ocean. they did just that. wrouf got to see it. march roaring in. this is the worst. how bad. wow! reporter: a second home toppled on plum island in massachusetts. the first still teetering after the entire coast was abused with wind and waves. snow kept falling and falling and falling. we don t want anymore snow. reporter: you re done? done. reporter: more than a foot in boston. two two connecticut to massachusetts. the beast started in part in minneapolis. we have already had a solid half foot of light, fluffy snow. now it moves to the east, gets wert, and causes a lot more in the way of travel troubles. and as it pushed east to d.c., so did we. we re in shenandoah national park. every once in awhile, you ll hear a tree crack or pop in the woods. from virginia. look at this huge tree. it stopped. i m sure a loot of folks heard it. all the way to scituate, mass. an angry ocean. behind it all, a fast melt. a surge of warm air over the area just hit. today, some time to enjoy the spring snow. in connecticut, a sign they re ready for these spring flowers to become a reality. so you ready to see how much warmup we re talking? let s get into the 50s. right here, where i m standing, by monday. the work week starts out for philadelphia, parts of d.c., close to 60 degrees. all the numbers, spring-like for sure. then a new winter storm. denver could get up to a foot of snow. warnings from the southwest to parts of minneapolis and the northern plains. i ll have so much more coming up in the nation s weather. for now, back to dan. what a week you have had tracking the storm. thank you for your reporting. we ll get back to you in a few minutes. to the vatican, where this morning, they installed a chimney on the top of the sistine chapel. they ll use this chimney to signal to the world when they have chosen a new pope. unusually, there s no front-runner. david wright is in rome once again. david, good morning to you. reporter: good morning, dan. that chimney is everyone s favorite tradition of the conclave. the conclave set to begin on tuesday. the 25th papal conclave to take place inside the sistine chapel. the first one, 1492. the borgias won that one. the chimney connected to a stove where the ballots are burned if the vote is inconclusive. black smoke comes out. if it s to confirm the election of a new pope, white smoke comes out. they ve installed a farraday cage, a mesh to prevent wireless signals. an electronic cone of silence. it has the added benefit to protect the cardinals in case lightning should strike. as you say, no clear consensus this year as they head into the conclave. no front-runners. we ll all be watching the smoke signals. thank you, david. the lack of a front-runner could mean this is a longer conclave than usual. last time around, it was over in about a day. it all starts on tuesday. abc news will be covering it all with diane sawyer leading our team in rome. a lot of other news overnight. let s go to ron claiborne for that. good morning, everyone. a deadly bombing in the capital of afghanistan, timed to coincide with the new u.s. secretary s visit to the country. nine civilians were kill bid a suicide bomber this morning. muhammad lila joins us with the latest. reporter: good morning, ron. this explosion was loud, powerful, and the taliban say it was a direct message to the secretary of defense. [ sirens blaring ] the attack happened this morning, sending nearby coalition military bases into lockdown. i saw dead bodies, he says. wounded people lying everywhere. people started shooting randomly. we managed to escape. it happened outside the afghan ministry of defense complex. the taliban are claiming responsibility, saying in a statement, this attack was a message to him. afghan officials say the suicide bomber was on a bicycle when he detonated. killing at least nine afghan civilian, including children. if explosion so strong, this blast-proof wall littered with holes from shrapnel. haguen is on his first official visit to afghanistan as secretary of defense. just yesterday he said this. we re still at war. i think most americans, the congress, the media, understand that. reporter: there are still 68,000 american troops in afghanistan. even as the military draws down, today s take another reminder that this war is far from over. ron? thank you for that. osama bin laden s son-in-law will remain behind bars in new york city. sulaiman abu ghaith pleaded not guilt in federal court of charges of conspireing to kill americans. he s already provided important new intelligence about the terror group. no date set for his trial. and former on limpilympic h oscar pistorius could face a civil suit. he shot and killed his model girlfriend on his home on valentine s day. he s been charged with premeditated murder. he says it was an accident. south dakota is the first state with a law to allow teachers to carry guns in classrooms. each district will decide now if their teachers can be armed at school. several other states allow them to carry weapons. whole foods will become the first national grocery chain to have all gentlemen netly modified foods to be labeled. the labels must be in place within the next five years. the fda says there s no difference between organic and genetically modified foods. while there are no good ways to lose a sporting event, some are worse than others. three seconds left in the basketball game, a player from hugo high school hits the layup at the buzzer. to win the game. the problem is, he won the game for the other team. oh! giving them a one-point victory. when all he had to do was let time expire. that counts? . that counts all right. oh, no, poor guy. that is bad. this will probably destroy the guy s life. let s hope not. ron, ron. he ll be unhappy for awhile. ron s statements do not necessarily reflect the opinions of abc news. they should run that const t constantly under my face. when the tsa said they were going to allow small knives on planes, it raised eyebrows. now people are taking action. can they make a difference here? david kerley is as reagan national airport. good morning to you. reporter: good morning. more calls for the tsa to leave the policy on knives as is. this morning, delta has become the first airline to join the call to keep knives off planes. the ceo of america s largest care xwrer tells the head of tsa, we must object. and we share flight attendants legitimate concerns. they were first and loud in the condemnation of the tsa plan. they re angry, they re outranled about this. oh, my god, this is a hijacking. reporter: they re joined by the union for the air marshalls and some pilots. they wa the head of the tsa ss he wants his officers to concentrate on what can be catastrophic on plane, explosives, especially liquid explosives. i don t think people appreciate the destructive capabilities of liquids. reporter: some security experts are torn. tsa should be focusing on the highest end of the threat spectrum for sure. i m not sure i would have jumped to allowing knives on planes. reporter: the groups who are now fighting, are planning to go to congress to ask for help. i don t think this policy can go into effect on april 25th. we re going spend every day between now and then make sure that it doesn t. reporter: i asked the tsa. the agency director stands behind his decision. the plan will go into effect at the end of next month. it s a controversial one. david, thank you. the other surprising headline out of washington. much better than expected jobs report. 236,000 jobs added last month, some 70,000 more than predicted. that helped bring down the unemployment rate to 7.7%, the lowest since december 2008. on wall street, the dow jones broke the all-time high for a fourth straight day. is this a blip or a sign of better days ahead? friday s whiplashing headlines, the unemployment rate at the lowest in four years sent the dow to a new high. it s clear that the country is building, healing, and hiring. i saw a great increase of job activity. as long as people fool good, they keep spending. reporter: factories added 14,000 workers in february. hooray for hollywood as the film industry added 21,000 jobs. con sfrux is leading the way. 48,000 jobs added. the housing market recovery is having a major impact. in february, doug smith hired seven new workers and sold 50 homes. the best january for us since 2005. reporter: which were built with flals the maze nail company. they had good news to share. we hired three new factory associates. reporter: retail verdicts seeing job growth. will it continue to sizzle or fizzle? companies are done without. cut they ll can cut. now they need people to come back to fill true demand. they re not just guessing things will be better tomorrow. reporter: some experts say there is reason to worry. self-imposed budget cuts can put a damper on the trend. for now, now land a top position? here are three tips so keep in mind. don t be afraid to tell everyone you know or meet that you re looking for work. many people find jobs through personal connections. two, think outside your comfort zone. chances are you have more skills than you know. and bepri paired to move. jobs may be available across towns or in another town. good advice. we cover a wide variety of topics. from the surging economy to a stumbling justin bieber. he s having a week from hell over in london. a 19th birthday gone wrong, a fan revolt of sorts, a health scare, and this fight with the paparazzi. despite it all, he was back on stage last night. lama hasan has it all. reporter: good morning, dan. i think it s safe to call it justin bieber s nightmare tour of britain. he just hasn t been able to catch break. things going from bad to worse, until last night. he showed his tenacity and loyalty to his british legion of fans. [ bleep ]. what did you say? reporter: she was shouting expletives and going on a tirade. saying not going to let them get the best of me again. gonna get focussed this show tonight. agren lynn is high now. gonna put it on the stage. he bounced back doing what he does best. pop stars have missteps. it s about how they recover. this is about him getting back on track. reporter: boy, did he? wowing the audience at a sold-out concert. one of the dancers tweeting, our last show in london was definitely the best. way to go out with a bang. how excited are you? i can t wait to see justin bieber. i know. reporter: it has been one hell of a week of the biebster. cell phone vid xwroes showed him woozy. he went backstage and was given oxygen. after the concert, he was hospitalized. tweeting shirtless pictures from his hospital bed. earlier in the week, a chorus of boos after angering fans by showing up two hours late on opening night. on his birthday, the 19-year-old tweeted it was the worst birthday after his underage friends were turned away from a club. he was sported with a gas mask and wearing almost nothing. the perils of being a pop star. a lot of great stars are started young. he has more number one albums for the age of 19 than anyone, ever. he s at a level of performance of giving his fans what he wants. it s to so extent unprecedented. reporter: so he ll have your back. baby baby baby oh reporter: my ears are still ringing from talking to the screaming fans. after the concert last night, he was still unwell. tweeting still a little short of breath tonight, but what an unforgettable show. next up, portugal. let s hope for smooth sailing from now on. we wish him the best. now for a check of the weather from ginger zee in massachusetts. i m still a belieber. gotta say it. we have another snowstorm to talk about. it drops snow in california, 8 to 12 inches, from grapevine. big bear got 8 inches, too. then the low drops into arizona and phoenix had hail. damage from the winds. and as you watch the vitd yoe, a lot of rain. record daily rainfall. 0.84 inches. it drops snow on denver, to the north and east. brings snow to the northern plains. the next graphic, how much snow falls. just to give you an idea of what happens in denver, they get a lot of snow in march. this is not out of the ordinary. a lot of snow for your weekend. the severe weather. very important from dallas to san antonio, isolated tornadoes, damaging wind and hail. warmer in the south. that will billow to the northeast soon. i ve been standing in so much of this stuff lately. it was nice someone reminded me it could be art-like. kids made sculptures out of ice kls and snow. and one snow flake, looks so brillia brilliant. thank you, ginger. big news, everybody. today, barbie s birthday. she made her debut on this day in 1959. she s beloved by millions. perhaps no one has more affection for her than this guy you re about to meet. linzie janis is here with more. reporter: he s waking up probably feeling like one of his barbie princesses. the attention of the media clam moring for a look into his world. this over-the-top shrine is not the barbie dream house you longed for as a child. welcome to my barbie collection. reporter: it s the real-life home of this grownup. the sechl styled barbie man is becoming the envy of young girls across america. this video game baim an online sensation. this is the first barbie i ve purchased. reporter: the fruits of 16 years collecting. there s 2,000 barbies in this room alone. people walk into my museum, their jaws just drop. reporter: even though the rooms of stanley s florida home are lined wall to wall with barbies and memorabilia, he knows each of them by name. and deal when he sees one. i got her for, like, four bucks. the lady thought it was a reproduction. i played right along. right along. reporter: decked out in outfits to custom planes and convertibles. even for a gal who is used to having it all. this barbie man s dal dols on nothing short of spoiled. anything that i find that has the b-a-r-b-i-e to it, i m buying it. reporter: it s more than an obsession. you re always if a good mood because you always have beauty around you. reporter: his collection is worth tens of thousands of dollars. how does he afford it? he runs his own cleaning company. he s found someone who shares his passion. his partner collects ken dolls. he has a thousand. you can t make this up. dan expressed interest in the pink jacket. it s a good look. let s tell you what is coming up on the grbroadcast. ashley judd and her new role. is the hollywood actress ready to make a run for politics? and the modern family drama. after claim of abuse, the young star of the hit sitcom talks for the first time about living a more normal life now that she s living away from her mother. and sarah jessica parker was once known for her designer shoes on sex and the city. find out why her love affair with designer shoes may be over. start with the best. use only natural ingredients. make something original. genuine. real. so peel it open. stir it up. and raise a cup to the real. ooh. hello, lover. ah, sarah jessica parker made some of the biggest dezirns in high fashion and high heels household names on sex and the city. while her character may have been addicted to shoes, parker says she s kicking the habit, sort of. why she s giving her feet a break. i know this, high heels can be a hazard to your health. though i did see one bianna golodryga working out in stilettos on good morning america. the things we do for work. good morning, everybody. i m dan harris. coming up, modern family star ariel winter on the feud with her mother. talking about body issues, why her mom was not so supportive and her new life with her older sister who is her guardian. and the first lady is some what of a fashion icon since moving into the white house. not everyone is impressed. one top fashion design sir sounds off. not very nice. dpl not nice at all. let s start with ashley judd. the hollywood star poised to take a big leap into hollywood. he s 44 years old, her mom and sister famous as the singing duo the judds. ashley has starred in 20 films and is a fixture at kentucky wild cat basketball games. she appears very likely to run for senate in kentucky against one of the most powerful republicans in america. the question this morning can she win? ashley? thank you. reporter: ashley judd, famous for getting herself into tight situations in movies likes kiss the girls. somebody help me. reporter: is now contemplating a dive into the most treacherous areen ya yet. politics. thinking of running in kentucky for senate against mitch mcconnell, the senate republican leader. looks likes she s all systems go for running for senate in kentucky. she s talking to folks in washington and in kentucky about it. acting like a candidate in waiting. reporter: no question that she s tough, as i found last year. i can wear the t-shirt that says, i do my own stunts. reporter: nice. do you thing you have learned enough about fighting now that you could mess somebody up for real if you had to. i know i could. reporter: she showed me how to throw a hollywood punch. so you hit me, for the record. i did. i did. reporter: so why would judd throw herself into what would surely be a knock-down, drag-out political fight? she largely walked away from acting in the last decade after being treated for severe depression. after a turbulent childhood after being abused by family member and deeply lonely. i said i m so tired of holding in all this pain. reporter: after treatment, she threw herself into charity work around the world, got an advanced degree at harvard, dipped her toe back into acting, starring in the abc drama missing. i am not cia, i am a mother, looking for her son. reporter: she insisted her two dogs and five cats be on set. you saying without the mans there, you couldn t do the job? no, i could do the job. it just adds to quality of life. reporter: her i had yoe sink sis are becoming rich fodder. republicans pointing out adds she doesn t live in kentucky. and it just clicked. tennessee is home. and it just clicked reporter: could she win? mcconnell is deep ly entrenched. going into it, you have to consider her an underdog, as any democrat would be against mitch mcconnell, especially with the record of public statements she has. it will be hard to overcome. she will be able to raise a ton of money. incredible name recognition. if she gets into the race, it will be epic. mitch mcconnell is a very powerful man. she ll be able to handle the mud-slinging, doing her own stunts. she s tough. a lot of other news overnight. once again, ron claiborne. in the new, the taliban is claiming responsibility for a suicide bombing in afghanistan this morning that killed naive civilians. the group says the attack was message to chuck hagel, there on his first official visit. at the vatican, a chimney has been installed on the sis teen cham. the conclave begins on tuesday. and los angeles is hoping to become the second city, after london, to host three olympic games. the major of los angeles has sent a letter to the u.s. olympic committee putting his city in the running for the 2024 games. police escorts are not just for people like justin bieber. they re for beavers in oregon. this one got help going back to a creek. sters decided to escort the beaver, not the bieber, instead of corralling it because it was pretty mellow. slow-moving. maybe tranquilized. looel look into it. brian ross will check it out and get back to you. time now for the weather and ginger zee in randolph, massachusetts, with the weather. ginger? ron is on fire this morning. let s go ahead go right into the second part of the storm. we talked about the severe weather. now there s the rainfall. up to an inch in some places. who will get a lot of rain today. in the northeast, warmer. how warm? a look at what the saturday weather looks like. 40s in there. i ll take it. then we go to the south. the southwest had the rain, the snow in some places. a whole lot nicer there, too. not as windy and nasty. this weather report brought to you by neutrogena cosmetics. back to the studio. coming up on good morning america, real life is nothing like a modern family episode for sitcom star ariel winter. she opens up about her mother, body issues, and getting a new start at just 15 years old. also, sarah jessica parker made running in high heels look easy. is she paying for it now? find out why she may be giving up some of her pumps. brand is so effective. so trusted. so clinically proven dermatologists recommend it twice as much as any other brand? 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thank you very much, s.e. good afternoon. it s tuesday, january 29th, and for one day at least what happened in vegas is going to spread across the nation. i m here today because the time has come for common sense, comprehensive immigration reform. the time is now. we define ourselves as a nation of immigrants. that s who we are in our bones. it s really important for us to remember our history. unless you re one of the first americans, a native american, you came from some place else p.else. somebody brought you. we have to fix the system. we have to make sure that every business and every worker in america is playing by the same set of rules. if congress is unable to move forward in a timely fashion, i will send up a bill based on my proposal and insist that they vote on it right away. thank you. god bless you, and god bless the united states of america. the time is now. those are the words of the president in las vegas doubling down on an immigration overhaul. yes, the president has just wrapped up a speech outlining his priorities for comprehensive immigration reform embracing the principles laid out by a bipartisan group of senators on monday and bringing back a campaign-style flair. the differences are dwirndlidwirnd l dwindling. a broad consensus is emerging and where a call for action can now be heard coming from all across america. i m here today because the time has come for common sense comprehensive immigration reform. the time is now. [ cheers and applause ] perhaps knowing the quickest route to republican opposition is to put his name on it, the president did not introduce his own legislation. instead calling for quick action on the senate framework. we need congress to act, and not just on the dream act. we need congress to act on a comprehensive approach that finally deals with the 11 million undocumented immigrants who are in the country right now. that s what we need. but even with key republicans on board, the plan s path to citizenship for 11 million undocumented immigrants faces deep resistance. starting with one of the architects, marco rubio. the only way that i know to incentivize the enforcement part is to say that the green card stuff doesn t even begin to happen until the enforcement happens first. if you don t get enforcement first or securing the borders first, is that a deal killer for you oh, absolutely. and it s that security requirement that could doom the plan itself. with confusion over just how much power a border security panel will have over the path to citizenship. despite the fact that the president has deported nearly as many undocumented immigrants in four years as george w. bush managed in eight, republicans are not likely to say they are ever satisfied with his handling of border security. according to the rush limbaughs on the right, it s not about border security, not about the lives of undocumented workers who are here already. it s all one big conspiracy of moochers. democrat party needs a permanent underclass. they need a certain number of voters constantly in economic distress, constantly in need of assistance from the government, and open borders is a great way to employed an influx. though no one asked him, limbaugh said he d support blanket amnesty if so-called illegals can t vote for 25 years. he apparently didn t get the memo to use tonally sensitive language around the topic. in any case today, limbaugh s guest today, marco rubio, may not like that idea of barring new latino voters. obama s not going to be president forever. as long as the next four years may seem, won t be president forever. we have to write laws with that in mind as well. i m sure the question of the next president is never far from senator rubio s mind. let s get to our panel now. in los angeles democratic congressman tony cardenas of california, and here in new york machines political analyst david corn. congressman, you are one of 11 children. your father was a farm worker who came here legally from mexico. can you describe to our audience how important it is that this nation deal with the issue of 11 million undocumented immigrants? well, it sounds like 11 for 11. i m proud to say my parents were immigrants. in one generation each one of our families when all 11 of us became adults, we ended up paying more in taxes every year than my father and mother would pay in taxes as an immigrant family with a first and second grade education. i think that s a perfect example of why this is important. the bess they can we can do for the economy is to get this immigration comprehensive immigration reform right and get it done now. indeed. david, despite what we have just heard from the congressman who is very enthusiastic, rush limbaugh says the government s dole is what lures immigrants here. take a listen. i have seen a number of research, scholarly research data, which says that vast majority of arriving immigrants today come here because they believe that government is the source of prosperity. so that heaving mass of poison says that the borders are literally stacked full of people coming to take entitlements and benefits. yaen time yanytime you hear word scholarly research data and rush limbaugh together you know something is wrong. the congressman just told us a very shorthand story of his own family. obviously that one anecdote and many others we know of disprove what rush limbaugh is saying. but i think the extreme misuse of facts, which is not unusual for him, is also a sign of desperation because this is going to i think this has and will continue to tear apart the republican party and the conservative movement. there are some republicans for political reasons and for some legitimate policy reasons, value reasons, want to do something about it and see the common sense approach. the business community obviously wants to take care of this for their own interests but yet you still have many who, you know, want this to be an english first country, mainly a white country. they don t like the changing demographics. they don t want to deal with it. to them it s basically cultural war, and they will put up a strong resistance, and you saw it reflected in john boehner s statement. he s very unenthusiastic because i think he figures that his caucus is still majority opposed to this type of reform. and to that point, congressman, we know republicans have been getting guidance on the very language to use around this issue. and they have been told avoid words like aliens and phrases like anchor babies but the president doesn t seem to have that problem at all. unless you re one of the first americans, a native american, you came from some place else. somebody brought you. the polish, russians, chinese, japanese, the west indians. before they were us, they were them. sir, this is a much bigger issue an a border. this is about who we are as a nation. absolutely. we ve always been a nation of immigrants, and like the president said accurately, unless you re truly a native american and you have been here for 100 if not thousands of years, you re an immigrant person. you have immigration as part of your past and i would hope people would be proud of the fact they came from somewhere else. because in this country it s a country of opportunity and with all due respect to rush limbaugh, this is a country of second chances. he s had his issues. god bless him. i hope he s passed those things, but i really wish that people like him would stop with the vitriol and just look at it for what it is. if he cares about the economy, if republicans, democrats, independents care about the economy, this is the best thing that you can do for the economy. but congressman, rush limbaugh says he s concerned about the law. he s concerned about not rewarding people who come here illegally. that s his position. he says any kind of path to citizenship is rewarding wrongdoing. whether you like the laws that are around, you know, drug laws in this country, what have you, it s my understanding, correct me if i m wrong, if rush limbaugh violated some tremendously violated some laws in this country, it s my understanding he didn t spend a day in jail. this is correct. my point is it s not about picking on him but i think the analogy is correct in using. when people use that vitriol and try to say they broke the law, gosh darn, it you broke the law and you didn t spend a day in jail. hopefully he paid his fines and hopefully he has it in his being to know not to do that again and to try to fix his life. with all due respect when you re talking about people who have been here from all over the world who have toed the line, who have just been working hard, living in the shadows, for them to get a second chance, i can guarantee you this, they re going to work even harder. they re going to kiss this ground that they walk on. they re going to make sure that their children study hard, work hard, respect this country, pledge allegiance to the flag, go to war for this country, which they already do as undocumenteds. the fact of the matter is this is an issue of our country moving forward and getting out of one of the worst economies we ve ever seen. now is the time for us to set ourselves right as a country and 11 million people are going to help us move forward in an economic, positive way. but i think it is also, other than just an economic issue, a cultural identity issue. and clearly we saw in the last election there are people on the conservative republican side who are having difficulty coming to terms with the changing face and the changing content of america. if you judge people by their cultural, their background, and their skin color. and that s something that s going to be played out a lot. i think one thing the president did that was very, very smart was to put down a marker. he said, okay, it s up to you in congress to work this out and i think that s the right thing to do, not get too involved in the legislative muck right away, but if you can t do this, meaning if you house republicans can t do this i will send a bill. i will send a bill and i will demand an up and down vote. he probably won t get it. but he will have a marker, very easy point to make as he continues to deal with this. say i sent them a bill and they wouldn t vote on it. that will stick around for years and years amongst the community of people who care about this. they don t even get a vote on it because house 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well, let south carolina s jeff duncan demonstrate. madam secretary, you let the consulate become a death trap. and that s national security malpractice. joining us now is clarence page, a columnist with the chicago tribune and nbc s luke russert live for us on capitol hill. welcome to you both. clarence, what hope is there for gun control, immigration, climate change if true conservatives have to be to the right of eric cantor? well, not a lot of hope you would think. it s a real problem for those who want to get any kind of progressive action through at all or any kind of compromise. there are very few people left in the house, especially on the republican side, who feel obl e obliged to their constituency as far as their views are concerned. they feel more obliged to the folks who are funding their campaigns or funding the campaigns of their potential opponents in a future primary fight. so it s gotten to be a very cynical politics that i m afraid heritage has become a part of moving from being a research institution into being a lobbying force. i m assuming clarence you include heritage alongside with the nra and others? certainly then ra has become an organization whose members are gun owners but the money comes from the gun industry. right. heritage didn t quite there yet, but they do get a lot of contributions from corporations that benefit from their work. okay. now, luke, the gang of eight s mike lee, who owns a 99% score from heritage, won t now back the group s immigration plan. last year they saw heritage threaten to score an amendment banning high capacity clips. what makes grading systems like this one so powerful? well, i think primarily is that if you fail to get a good grade with heritage action, you are essentially a target for a primary. if you look at the way they do this, it s a very effective grading system in terms of trying to appeal to conservative media and to conservative grassroots activists. you can say that someone like maybe not eric cantor, but someone in more of a district where he doesn t have the financial backing that eric cantor might have, oh, my god, they re only with us 55% of the time, they re not pure, they re not true. we ve seen, especially in primaries in the united states senate, look at folks like todd akin, folks like mourdock in indiana, christine o donnell in delaware. you see the strength of the grassroots. that s why the grading systems are so effective, because they put somebody on a target list for grassroots conservative organizations to take out in a primary, and if you go to their website, it s very slick. it s very well-done. very easy to click on somebody. you can see six or seven votes, and the way in which they penalize people for a vote that ordinarily would just be a common thing to take, for example something that might not be completely offset, let s say you re from a coastal area and you re supporting something some government money to go there for rebuilding if you get hit for a storm. that doesn t align. sorry if you re from louisiana, from florida. done. you might be the most conservative person of all time but because you voted to help out your district, you re going to get an x right there. it s really quite remarkable. it s absolutely incredible. clarence, heritage action is what s known as a social welfare organization. that means it can and has spent money on races. so what happens if you don t have the money, as luke was saying, of an eric cantor, and you incur the anger of heritage because, say, for example, you think high capacity clips and assault weapons are not okay. what happens then? well, a number of things you can do as a candidate or as an incumbent. one of them is to get yourself on tv like you just did with that congressman from south carolina. washington post calls it a money blurt where you yell you lie ytion in the middle of t president s address to congress or say something else outrageous like michele bachmann and other folks are known for. every time they make headlines, they get contributions because we re in the internet age where all you got to do is go on the web and click to make a contribution. so there is a certain benefit to not just voting in the extreme but talking in the extreme. it was me stupidly believing it was all about responding to your constituents. gentlemen, thank you. coming up, a tennessee state senator who wants to calibrate children s grades and determine that they will provide a certain amount of money in terms of what individual families can get from government. you won t believe this one. stay with us. look what mommy is having. mommy s having a french fry. yes she is, yes she is. 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fox news has the best reporters in america and the best commentators and thinkers in america. are you crying? president has all the democrats, the entire mainstream media. are you crying? are you crying? without a free fox, there s not a free america. there s no crying. there s no crying in baseball! fair and balanced means something. let s get right to it. we re joined by msnbc contributor joy reid, managing editor of thegrio.com. and washington post s political reporter nia-malika henderson and the great ron meier, spokesman for american majority action. thank you for joining us. joy, the republicans have always said they are for limited government. right. are they also for unlimited whining, crying? i think the decent thing to do is for us to all chip in and buy blankets for everyone. everyone gets a blankie. i have never seen so much whining and moaning and crying. it s pathetic. the conservative movement has always supposedly been the macho movement in american politics, but now they are the whining movement in american politics. their entire indictment of barack obama is, he s mean! that s pathetic. right. are you serious? yes, she is serious, ron. we just saw one of our fellow conservatives talking about the president s plan to outlaw fox news. actually all the president pointed out and i m quoting was that if a republican member of congress is not punished by fox news or by rush limbaugh for working with a democrat on a bill of common interest, then you ll see more of them doing it. which i don t know, ron, sounds pretty obvious to me, but are you also losing sleep at night because you re afraid the president wants to take away your fox news and your guns? you know, i m very happy to come on msnbc and say thank god for fox news. the fact of the matter is without fox news we d still think that benghazi, that that attack, that terrorist attack happened because of a video. without katherine and special report and the hard news people. by the way, they have more hard news people than msnbc, cnn, and everybody else sorry, ron, ron, ron, i accept your analysis on benghazi. don t forget also we wouldn t have had the invented simultaneous video feed that they claimed on fox news was occurring and that people in the white house were ignoring. so let s not be entirely disingenuous. we don t know because no one in the media will ask the president and hillary clinton the press spokesman has been asked and they have all said there was no such thing. n nia-malika where was the president during benghazi? let other people contribute. there have been momentous changes going on lately at fox news, especially the departure of reality tv personality sarah palin. let s hear what conservative intellectual david frum says about this. who says he s conservative? in tandem with the fact that glenn beck is taken off. as they have backed away from hip and other characters the whole network is an exercise in going too far but as they retreated from those who went farthest, i think this is a milestone as well. i was under the impression it wasn t possible to embarrass fox news but maybe it is. one of the things that was most interesting is fox news was sort of against itself in the last minutes when they were calling ohio and karl rove almost himself had a bit of a tantrum saying that there was no way that ohio could have gone for president obama, megan kelly had to go back there and talk to the folks who actually had the facts and say, in fact, that ohio did, in fact, go to president obama. i think there is some soul searching going on there. i think that s correct. in 2011 with that exit of glen beck, who, of course, went on to his own network. and now with sarah palin, kind of the declining fortunes of the tea party and this inability of the tea party and the conservative right to find purchase and find a wider audience. you know, rush limbaugh s power is in this called 20 million viewer listeners that he has. i don t know if it s 20 million, 15 million. it might be 2 million. but i think democrats have been very expert at putting rush limbaugh and fox news at the head of the party, and you haven t seen much push back from republicans. in fact, you see ruby, of course, going out there today and sort of going to rush limbaugh and offering his immigration plan. you re going to go after fox news for having a ton of viewer. the competitor show to this has about four times as many viewers. then you re going to go after fox news for making the first prediction on ohio. so, yeah, they had karl rove ron, ron, ron you can go after fox news all you want you re hyperventilating. nobody is going after fox. i m just trying to address the facts and they are as follows. mr. karl rove got it disastrously and diametrically wrong and joe who also works for fox got it exactly right. joe wasn t on screen at the time. final word to you, joy. i think it is true, fox news has a lot of viewers. part of the problem is their average age is 103 and they re all sitting around believing in their deepest of hearts because the experts, the crack journalists over there, were telling them that romney was going to win. that romney had it sewn up. that all the polls were skewed, that reality was not reality. bureau of labor statistics skewed. all skewed. and all the data had a liberal bias. if they just skewed. properly, people would understand truth. i don t understand this. one minute, ron. the glass bubble was burst by the election. and so the reality that s rushing in on conservatives now is that most people don t want to voucherize medicare, most people don t want to cut school lunches. people like social security and you know what, darn it, people are okay with immigrants. guess what? they elected this president and then re-elected him. our thanks to joy reid, n nia-malika henderson and the great ron meier. next, get good grades, junior, or the family won t eat this month. the tennessee state senator who has ignited a firestorm. stay with us. 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[ woman ] learn from my story. before we continue, we just want to make a note that the u.s. senate has just confirmed john kerry as the next secretary of state in a vote of 94-3. well done him. for the republican for the modern republican party, beating up on the poor and powerless has become something of a high art. just so happens, however, that one of the party s lowest ranking lawmakers is also one of its greatest masters in the art of abuse. his name is stacy campfield and he s a state senator from tennessee. we talked to him about his latest project, a bill which would cut welfare assistance by 30% for households where the children fail to make satisfactory academic progress. we re specifically focused on this penalty of increasing the withdrawal by 30% of the amount of money that s paid in temporary assistance to needy families. what i want to know is how will doing that help these children? well, what we re seeing in tennessee and probably across the nation from the e-mails i m getting is that we have a three-part stool for education. it s one part the schools, one part the teachers, and one part the family. probably the most important part is the family. unfortunate unfortunately, we have some families who don t care if their kids get an education or stay in school. what we re say something if your kid is quitting school, not showing up, showing up at 11:00 in his pajamas, that s not a prepared kid to get an education. we need to do something to motivate these parents to realize how important this education is. unfortunately, the only tool we have left is these this cash payment that we make to these families. but you already penalize families if the children don t attend school. but this is specifically to do with children s grade performance. i want to ask you again, how are you helping a child by saying here pass this test and if you don t succeed, well, then you re family for the next month maybe won t eat? well, actually there s nothing in this that talks about food stamps. there s nothing in this about anything having to do with food or housing it s again, it s $185 for a family of two children, and if your proposal is embraced, that means that that family would have that reduced by $60. a considerable percentage of that amount of money. again, i have to ask you, how does asking a child to pass a test help that family given that if the child fails, the family may struggle even more seriously than they already are struggling? first off, i m not setting the bar like the kids have to become rocket surgeons. we re talking bare bones, these kids are passing up to the next grade. you know, you want to talk a problem, generational poverty, and to me if you stay, hey, we don t care if you get an education, if you quit that s fine senator we re not going to get out of that. senator, i understand very carefully and i have read everything that you have said on this issue, so i do understand your position on generational poverty. but here is an issue. these children that you re targeting are often already victims of neglect. they have often been the subject of abuse within their own households. they have no control whatsoever over the circumstances in which they live. how is a 5-year-old child supposed to perform even at the bare minimum that you expect and if the child doesn t you penalize the child. how is that possible given the fact the child has no control over their circumstances? the child is not penalized at all. this is all a cash payment to the families. but, sir, you re placing responsibility for the family qualifying for this money on the back of the child. on the back of the child s ability to pass the grade and go into the next grade. what i m asking you, sir, is how is a child of age 5 supposed to carry that burden for the family s finances when the child has no control over the circumstances in which its living? that child to be the victim of abuse, violence five minutes before they leave home. they have no control over that. there s no way listen, if you re saying stacey, find a way to solve all abuse problems no, sir. sir, i m not asking you that. what i m asking you, sir, to answer is this question. is it fair to expect a child of 5 to be responsible for their academic performance when they cannot control anything else in their lives? and as you well know, sir, the circumstances of a child s life influences that child s performance at school. we have actually, we already put performance levels on the child for how teachers get paid, how schools get reimbur reimbursed. the only person who has no responsibility for the performance of the child is the parents. do you have children yourself? no. i have about as many children as barack obama has guns. so no. yet he still brings legislation regarding that. so i have no problem with that. he has a right to do that just like i have a right senator, i m not casting any aspersions on the fact that you don t have children but i was merely going to put this point to you. do you realize how difficult it is for parents to guarantee their child s academic performance? i mean, george h.w. bush had a son called george w. bush and his academic per pormance was mediocre and he had every single opportunity and support imaginable. do you realize how difficult it is for any parent to be able to guarantee a child s academic performance? we re talking bare minimums. like i said, i don t want these kids to be rocket scientists. passing up to the next grade is not too high a standard to say, listen, if your kid shows up to school at 11:00 in his pajamas, that kid is not prepared to go to school. families have to take a responsibility for having the kids prepared to go to school. senator, i understand your position on parents and you already penalize parents in the way you do. what i m asking you again is is it will fair to place the burden of this on a 5-year-old child who 15 minutes before attending school may have been violently assaulted by someone who lives in the home in which they live? how can it possibly be their responsibility to guarantee that they can achieve certain standards academically when you know it s not. when you know that no parent can absolutely guarantee a child s academic performance. i can t it is not, but the family has the hugest impact, more so than teachers, than schools. the family have the hugest impact. yes, if you re a bad parent who is abusing your child, guess what? that kid is going to do badly. i would hope they wouldn t abuse the child so the child would do better and then no payments would be cut. so just so we understand it, thank you for your admission. so what you re now accepting is that if a child has been badly abused and doesn t do very well at school academically, the family will suffer regardless. i m not making that admission but go ahead. senator campfield, i d love to have more time but i m afraid we ve run out. thank you for joining us tooted. thanks for having me. had a great time. thank you, sir. i should let you know we posted the full interview with senator campfield on your facebook page and on our show page at tv.msnbc.com. and as always, we want you to weigh in whenever you can. stay with us. we ll have much more ahead. 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let s bring in goldie taylor. the republicans have an image problem that s gotten so bad even they have become aware of it. let s hear from that paragon of statesmanship, louisiana governor bobby jindal. we ve got to stop being the stupid party. i m serious, it s time for a new republican party that talks like adults. goldie, we just heard that from state senator from tennessee. isn t that exactly the kind of thing that bobby jindal is talking about, stupid? you know, i think it is, but, you know, the difficulty here is that i don t know that mr. campfield has bad intentions so much as he is acting on a nascent understanding of how poverty actually operates, the real structures of poverty. he s right about one thing, public education is a three-legged stool and when one of the legs is broken, it does not stand. it s the teacher, the parent, and the child but when you have a parent in the situation, and this wasn t raised during the interview, when the parent has an eighth grade education, when the parent didn t complete high school let alone go on to college or one of the parents may be in jail. or maybe one of the parents is absent and in jail, then that parent is incapable right. of fully engaging in public education in a meaningful way. you understand that i raised my children on welfare. food stamps, what used to be afd c and child care grants that helped me to put get great care for my kids. today because i was an involved parent because i had an education and went back to get an education myself, i have a child who is a senior at brown university who is going to graduate with honors. a son studying architecture in california who is going to graduate with high honors. it s not simply about whether or not abuse is present but whether or not a parent has, you know, has the means to make that investment. but it goes further than that. you know, i can talk all day about whether or not republican policies are going to be the right fit for fixing poverty in this country. but the fact of the matter is both parties are on the hook for what has been a disastrous social engineering project that s happened in our communities over decades. but, goldie, what is your reaction to this individual who is proposing legislation so that children as young as 5, if they do not perform at a certain academic standard, will end up costing their entire family 30% of much-needed assistance that will result in them not being able to eat as much as they could were they to receive that money? that s the specific legislative attempt by this individual state senator. what s your reaction to that as a strategy? you know, i remember him saying something about how if that grant were cut, that grant were cut by $60 a month it would not impact the child. well, then where does the gas money come from that the parent is actually looking for work? where does the gas money come from when this parent wants to apply to go to, say, community college? every dime of that very small check gets used on housing, it gets used on child care, it gets used on gasoline, it gets used on shoes. and let me just tell you, you can t buy toilet paper with food stamps. this stuff is very, very basic, and so when you have people like mr. campbell making sort of these wholesale assumptions about what happens inside these social programs and what it takes to break the confines of, you know, structural poverty, that s some dangerous stuff. but he isn t new to this. this has been going on for literally decades. social welfare drove men out of households through the 60s and 70s. for instance, black families used to be an intact family unit until social welfare came along and made it almost impossible for a black father to remain home and for this family to get the help that it needs to break the cycle of poverty. and so i think there is a larger conversation that has to go on here if you are treating the symptoms such as a child not doing so well in school rather than attacking the root causes, you re going to lose every time. goldie taylor, as always, thank you so much, goldie. and congratulations on the wonderful family that you yourself have parented. thanks for having me, martin. we ll be right back. i m up next, but now i m singing the heartburn blues. hold on, prilosec isn t for fast relief. cue up alka-seltzer. it stops heartburn fast. oh what a relief it is!
went to bed that night she felt loved. reporter: a special edition of newsroom starts now. good morning. i m carol costello. thanks for joining me. breaking overnight, what s being described as the most promising lead yet in the search for malaysian airlines flight 370. the australian naval ship ocean shield picked up signals from what could be the dieing batteries of the so-called black boxes. the ship is outfitted with high-tech equipment on loan from the u.s. navy and considered extremely reliable. i ve heard the what we ve got is we ve got a visual imitation on a screen and we ve also got an audible signal. the audible signals sounds to me just like a locater. what we re talking about, there were two separate pingers. cnn s will ripley is in perth, australia with more. good morning, will. reporter: good morning, carol. right now the ocean shield is literally in a race against time, listening under water, trying to find the signals that the ship found twice over the weekend, signals that could help solve the mystery of flight 370. it takes about eight hours to do just one pass and time is literally running out possibly hours before the batteries in those black boxes fade away for good. if this really is the missing plane, and that s still a big if, how could you even begin to describe such a discovery? it certainly would be a miracle. if this does turn out to be the aircraft location. reporter: miracle, a strong word with an even stronger warning from u.s. navy captain mark matthews. i caution not to be overly optimistic here. we have work to do before we can say we have a true contact here. reporter: matthews team is on the ocean shield using a tp lfrnlts listening for pings from mh370 s black boxes. over the weekend they heard two promising signals in the southern indian ocean, one held for more than two hours. what i would like to do before i say with certainty it is the aircraft is, one, reacquire the signal, two, deploy the autonomous underwater vehicle to map the debris field and switch out that sonar with a camera unit and take photographs of what would be the wreckage. reporter: slow and tedious work nearly 15,000 feet, almost three miles down. the extreme depth pushing the limits of the understand water drone, the blue fin 21 that would do a visual search for wreckage. we re jumping to conclusions. we need to reacquire the signal to confirm it is the aircraft. reporter: their biggest obstacle, time. the black box batteries are rated for 30 days, a deadline that s already passed. cautious measured optimism. we certainly want to reacquire it before we say, yes, we ve done something good here. reporter: caution definitely is the key word here. it s so important. as of right now, there s still a lot of work ahead and still no official confirmation this is connected to flight 370. i ve been on the story for several weeks now. i have to tell you, this is the first time talking to the team members that you can sense excitement. there were even cheers when the pings were announced over the weekend, that they had detected these signals. cautious optimism, definitely lots more to do. we re keeping our fingers crossed. will ripley, thank you so much. american ingenuity is playing a key role in the search, supplying both the high-tech pinger locater and the underwater drone that would canvas the ocean floor. cnn s brian todd takes us inside the manufacturer, phoenix international, for a closer look at what the pinger locater can and cannot do. reporter: some weeks ago we had access to the facility near washington, d.c. at the company that makes the towed pinger locater and the bluefin 21, the autonomous under water vehicle that can rove around. what is extraordinary here is usually the towed pinger locater, before they deploy it, the manufacturers told us they have to find a confirmed piece of wreckage from a plane. only then do they really deploy the towed pinger locater so they can narrow down the search area. this discovery if it is indeed the black box that they ve detected over the weekend, would be extraordinary because they did put the pinger locater in the water as kind of a last ditch effort, a shot in the dark as trying to find this thing, even though they didn t have a confirmed piece of wreckage and if it is, indeed, the signal, it would be a fantastic pull for this device. it does have some limitations. it can go up to 20,000 feet below the surface of the sea. it can detect the pinger locater from up to two miles away. but there are things that can obstruct it. under water obstacles like mountains and hills under water can disrupt it, bad weather can cause problems. as will mentioned, also, it has to make long passes. it takes hours to make long, slow passes over an area. that is a restriction as well. there you see the animation of the bluefin 21. that is not tethered as the pinger locater is. the bluefin 21 has more flexibility, it can go to great depths and it does map the debris field. what it s got is a side scan sonar capability and picture-taking capability which is key here. it will likely go down to the area where the pings were located, try to take some pictures, see what s there, map the debris field and send the pictures back to the vessels. that s going to take some time. but now the work of the bluefin 21 is very, very crucial. i was wondering why they didn t launch the bluefin 21 right away. it s a matter of narrowing down the search area. they said, again, without a piece of wreckage confirmed, putting the pinger locater in the water was a risk. some people called it a waste of time, a waste of resources. it looks now like that may not be the case. but you really in most cases, according to the manufacturer, you do need a point where you can start. you need some kind of a piece of wreckage, something indicating that you re near the area where the plane went down before you should use these resources. they didn t have that this time, but they got fortunate maybe, maybe. brian todd, many thanks. i want to bring in thomas altshuler, the vice president of teledyne marine systems, the manufacturer of the equipment the chinese used. first i want to talk about the pinger detector on the ocean shield. officials say it will take days to confirm if the signals came from the black boxes. why is that? well, they want to go through and do several passes over the target they ve seen and understand the signal that s come back. there are naturally occurring and there are other types of systems that emit at the same frequency. so verification and basically locating a smaller area where that pinger might be will allow the bluefin 21 to be more efficient when it goes and starts to map using the side scan sonar. commander william marks says the ocean shield with that pinger locater on board, it picked up a signal that was strong and faded away as the ship moved away, right? that would mean that the block boxes are in one place and the signal would be louder and as you move away it would get softer. the signal was also sustained he says for up to two hours. what does that mean? can you explain? that s what you would think would happen. if you re relatively close to the pinger on the path of the locater they re towing behind the vehicle, you would find you would be far away and moving at a knot, maybe two naughts. you re picking it up. you pass over the top or adjacent to it and you pull the sled past and start to lose the signal. at the speeds the ship is moving, at the ranges that the pinger locater, the towed pinger locater can detect, it is quite probable you would see as much as a couple hours of detection. with a couple of hours detection, that seems pretty meaningful to me. of course i don t know what i m e talking about. that s why you re here. what more do they need to convince them that these noises are coming from those black boxes? well, given the cost of what we re trying to do is and the efficiency of making sure you have a good use of your resources, spending more time over top of a potential target has no downside whatsoever. the pinger has a lifetime. you re looking for that sound t. bluefin 21 doesn t have panger detector on it. once you put that asset in the water, you re not using the pinger anymore, you re using the debris field as what you re looking for. nair roeing the search area tighter will be more efficient. let s talk more about this chinese vessel. it picked up the sound using a different kind of pinger locater, if you will, about 350 nautical miles from where the ocean shield picked up sounds. your company made the type of devices that the chinese were using. are those devices reliable in this instance? no. in reality i have one right here. let me see if i can get it up. it is a device made for shallow water work. it s designed for a diver to go in at a few hundred feet and look for a pinger, look for some kind of emitting device in the water. so if you go forward and you think about this, you re putting this in the water. you re hoping you get a strong enough signal deep in the ocean. it is very low probability that you would actually see that. it s not impossible, but it s really a glimmer of hope you would say. given the strong detection by the navy system. that s a much more attractive target to look at. that type of pinger we re looking at the pinger locater device the chinese were using. it doesn t look like it could detect sound at any great depth in the ocean. it s designed to go to 600 feet. it s particularly you can put the device to 600 feet. it s all going to be about how the sound prop gates in the water. it has to do with the fundamental properties of the ocean, the temperature, the sal lynnity. it s hard without understanding the water column right at that point to understand how far, what kind of range it can detect that. but it is the device that we manufacture is for shallow water applications. thomas altshuler, thanks for clarifying. we appreciate it. thank you. still to come, nic robertson tells us about a developing twist in the disappearance of flight 370. nic? reporter: senior malaysian officials tell us they believe whoever was flying mh370 was trying to avoid radar detection. more on that when we come back after the break. at your ford dealer think? they think about tires. and what they ve been through lately. polar vortexes, road construction, and gaping potholes. so with all that behind you, you might want to make sure you re safe and in control. ford technicians are ready to find the right tires for your vehicle. get up to $120 in mail-in rebates on four select tires when you use the ford service credit card at the big tire event. see what the ford experts think about your tires. at your ford dealer. ameriprise asked people a simple question: in retirement, will you outlive your money? uhhh. no, that can t happen. that s the thing, you don t know how long it has to last. everyone has retirement questions. 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a very remote part of the southern indian ocean where there wouldn t be a lot of radar detection either. the inference they re taking, whoever was flying it was hoping to get somewhere where to travel somewhere without detection, without people knowing where they were going and to end up somewhere remote. of course, this sort of adds in to the information we had in the early days where the flight takes off from kuala lumpur, flying towards beijing, makes that hard left, flies back across the malaysian peninsula. the question back then, was this some kind of turn because of mechanical failure? now with these other turns that they re seeing more accurately, it gives praps a fuller picture of whether a mechanical picture may have been there, as well as a better idea of the psychological profile of whoever is flying the aircraft, carol. thomas, it is true the plane flew around indonesia. take us through the final route. this is what they ve been talking about. up here it turns in theory, you would say if it were going this direction and somebody is not controlling it, it would naturally go right down over here, but instead it did turn again here. then, as it continues on its way, it goes out here and this is really what they re talking about. look at this. right around this point, this sweep around the tip up here before heading south. the question is, if they were disabled, if there was a massive fire and people weren t able to function at all, how would this happen, although there s a possibility they were partially able to function in some fashion and then head down here. it just really isn t clear. the pattern has been there for quite some time, carol, we ve talked about this. what hasn t been clear is any motivation. what we re really talking about is i understand knees officials saying they think there is a motivation. if they were trying to go somewhere, where were they going? there s effectively nothing out here, carol. supposedly if a skilled person was flying the plane, thaw knew how much fuel was available, right? they would know. there s no way they had extra fuel on board. they would know where they were going. yes, there are tiny islands in some places out here and a lot of conspiracy their rifts say they were going to those islands. but that would be an easier thing to spot than the idea of searching for something under water. there s been no evidence of any of that. again, this goes to the nature of why did the plane disappear, not where it is. right. les, first off, even if the plane flew around indonesia, it was still in an established flight pattern. why wouldn t indonesia still pick it up? well, it s a perplexing issue to me. tom articulated it well. it makes no sense. as a pilot, i have a good idea where air space is. as far as how far the radar extends, i really i really don t have a clue on exactly how far i naturally assume that i m going to be under radar contact, primary or with a discreet code via the transponder. it makes no sense to me. i think this is something that occurred, that deg dated the flight controls. to me it s a big hole in this whole situation. there s no way i would consider the fact that i would be undetected, especially going across malaysian peninsula first and then around and out into the middle of the ocean. it makes absolutely no sense to me at all. okay. so another clue, but it doesn t really lead us to any answers. nic robertson, tom foreman, les abend, thanks so much. oscar pistorius takes the stand and offers a dramatic apology to reeva steenkamp s family. there hasn t been ha moment since this tragedy happened that i haven t thought about your family. coming up next, we ll take you live to pretoria, south afri africa, for more of this moving testimony. i ll be right back. 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reporter: sorry. repeat that question. why did he share that story? reporter: you know, it s a good point. i think what is so key about his testimony is that he comes across as authentic, as somebody, of course, who is remorseful and somebody who has a clear understanding of the implications of what he did. i think that was clear, he s very much struggling with the consequences of his actions. of course, that s important in terms of trying to assess the credibility of his story. so i think that plays very much into it. of course, this is not a jury system. this kind of emotional response, this emotional kind of story is not going to hold as much water as it would, perhaps, in a u.s. courtroom, the judge is going to rule on facts here. still at the same time i think it was played a very key role and key part in at least telling the court, telling the judge that he was authentic and he really genuinely appears to be struggling with reeva steenkamp s death and the role he played in it. another interesting moment is when pistorius talked about his relationship with guns. he related a story that his mother owned a firearm. listen. my mother had a lot of security concerns. we obviously grew up in a family where my father wasn t around much, so my mother, she had a pistol, and she would often get scared at night and she would phone the police. where did she keep her firearm. my lady, she kept her firearm under her bed under her pillow in a padded little type of bag. i would suppose, robyn, he related that story to show he grew up with a sense of insecurity at home and always felt he needed protection. reporter: exactly. it wasn t just that story. that was powerful in itself. remember, we ve had this information come out. he always kept his gun under the bed. it wasn t just that story. i sat in that courtroom and i think his list of how he or friends or family had been affected by crime went on for about 45 minutes. example after example, he listed throughout his childhood, adolescence, recent adulthood, crimes against friends, hijackings, home burglaries when he was a kid. he went over and over how vulnerable he felt based on all these experiences. of course, this is important why? 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[ male announcer ] this is joe woods first day of work. and his new boss told him two things cook what you love, and save your money. joe doesn t know it yet, but he ll work his way up from busser to waiter to chef before opening a restaurant specializing in fish and game from the great northwest. he ll start investing early, he ll find some good people to help guide him, and he ll set money aside from his first day of work to his last, which isn t rocket science. it s just common sense. from td ameritrade. good morning. i m carol costello, thank you for joining me. it could be the breakthrough search teams in the southern indian ocean have been hoping form. australian and chinese ships picking up signals that officials say are consistent with those sent by a black box. officials saying, quote, it is the most promising lead to date. joining me now cnn aviation kres spon debit richard quest. good morning. good morning. what a weekend it was. should we be hopeful? we ve heard this song and dance before. yes, but we ve never really had the optimism we were hearing over the weekend or late last night from angus houston. he is the man who is in charge of the australian operation. he used phrases like the most promising lead, he s encouraged, he s optimistic. to be sure hearing those pings on two separate occasions from what they believe are different devices in one occasion it lasted for more than two hours which is exactly, carol, whatout want because you want a continuous sound. and the second one was for 13 minutes. again, a continuous sound. remember, ha haixun 01 only hed it for 9 0 seconds or so. the fact that old shield heard it give them great optimism and that it s in the right place. they have refined the satellite handshake data. they now believe it puts it exactly where the ocean shield is. just to show our viewers, this is what they re looking for, one of the black boxes. light here is where the sounds would be coming from. you can see it s not very big. the other important thing is the pings were 37 kilohertz. why is that important? it s a particular frequency, 37.5 kilohertz is the frequency that those pingers transmit on. it s a frequency designed to be heard not by the human ear, but by acoustic listeners. those acoustic listeners will then provide both a visual reference point, a wave form, and an audio sound which can be heard then by the ear. the pinger is not only designed for the 37.5, but the rhythmic one-second pings. there s many noises in the ocean. some of them are mammal made. others could be from other machinery. the sound we learned last night and over the last few days sound travels far, especially if it gets into the deep sea sound channel. but the pinger, the very noise of the pinger is designed to be unique. it is designed to be identifiable, and that is why angus houston said last night he was encouraged because it had the characteristics of the black box noise. if the black boxes are somewhere in that area, why is there no evidence of debris anywhere around it because they ve searched a why area around that spot, right? and there you have put your finger on one of the most troubling aspects of the discovery. because they now have to triangulate, basically hear the pinger again and again and again. and by doing that, work out exactly where it is. and one would hope that they re in the vicinity, the very close vicinity and not on the outer extremities. but you might have hoped, and it would have been nice to have some debris, anything to back up that claim. because here is the problem, carol, even a month on, there should be something. and even if the plane ditched in the water in the most gentle fashion, the experts say it would have broken up in some shape or fashion. and even if it went down almost intact, something would have broken off simply by pressure. so the weakness of the moment is no debris which is why the planes are going back over there to extend that area to see if they can find any debris. also, they will be bringing in the autonomous submersible that will go down once they have relocated that ping. richard quest, many thanks as usual. still to come in the newsroom, a high tk british ship is in the area where search crews heard the pings. renee marsh joins me with what they think the ships will do. we ll flush out what can hms echo do and will it help determine if those are truly the pingers from mh370. that s straight ahead. 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[ male announcer ] that s how we run, and nothing runs like a deere. despite the fact that two pinger detectors picked up on sunday about a dozen people gathered to pray and light candles for the 239 people on board. the husband of one passenger told cnn, quote, if the plane is there, it s there, we can t change it. but i m still hoping for a miracle to map. until they physically locate the bulk of the plane with the a few bits of pieces of wreckage are pinging could just be planted evidence meant to distract us. some of those families do fear that news of that pinging nose is giving them false hope that this mission try will finally be solved. joe johns has more on why so many relatives are sick of everything at this moment. reporter: foreign media including krrkcnn covering the missing plane mystery are taking heat in kuala lunchtime pmpulum. bruised the malaysian national self-image. some malaysians say they are being portrayed in a negative light. this protester says the information which has been disseminated is inaccurate and not based on fastballcts. the malaysian defense minister was so incensed over a piece in the london daily mail of the i motional state and marital problems of the flight s captain. i want to confirm that i don t think it came from the police and how daily mail got that information, you would have to ask daily mail. reporter: the daily mail did not respond to cnn s request for comment. the cab cabinet had asked the malaysian general to advise on media action for false reporting. private individuals can sue in civil court for libel and slander. though a practicing attorney doesn t see the government escalating tensions with the media. you see these statements, which perhaps it is political in nature. you have to show that we re not just taking it, we will give it back if need be. whether they should actually take that action, do be completely honest, i doubt that they will take that cost. reporter: legal issues aside the politics of flight 370 are extremely sensitive here, especially when it comes to the plane s captain. he s been described as a supporter of the country s opposition leader who defends the pilot s reputation but has harshly contribute ski lly crit government s handling of the investigation. but when they continue to conceal information, i have grounds to be more suspicious. reporter: in response to such talk, the malaysian defense minister recently went on the reported issuing a firm denial of what he called the extraordinary assertion that the government was somehow complicit in the crash of mh flight be 70. i ll talk to one expert next hour who says the detection of those pinging sounds coming from the ocean could be that haystack. that s ahead on the next hour of newsroom. 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it certainly would be a miracle if this does turn out to be the aircraft location. reporter: miracle, a strong word with an even stronger warning from u.s. navy captain mark matthews. i caution not to be overly optimistic here. we have got some work to do before we can say that we have a true contact here. reporter: matthew s team is on the ocean shield using a towed pinger locator or tpl, listening for flight 370 s black boxes. what i would like to do before i absolutely say with certainty that it is the aircraft, is one reacquire the signal, two deploy the autonomous underwater vehicle with the side scan sonar, and three, switch out that sonar with the camera unit and take photographs of what would be the wreckage. slow and tedious work, nearly 15,000 feet, almost three miles down. the extreme depth pushing the limits of the underwater drone. certainly we re jumping to conclusions here, we need to definitely reacquire the signal to confirm that it is the aircraft. reporter: their biggest obstacle, time. the black box batteries are rated for 30 days a deadline that s already passed. cautious, measured optimism, right? we certainly want to reacquire it before we say yes, we have done something good here. reporter: caution really is the keyword here, carol, because you think about these families and all of the false hope that they have had over the past few weeks, only to have those hopes dashed. so i think the real tone that officials here are trying to take is that they want to investigate this to the fullest. but they also don t want to jump to any conclusions, they say we owe it to the families of those 239 people. will ripley, reporting live from australia. thanks so much. want to talk more about those new signals heart in the indian ocean now. r ron welcome, gentlemen. thank you for being here, rob, this is a huge search area, so if indeed, those sounds are coming from one of those black boxes, would you a categorize this as one of the luckiest finds ever? the word luck is preparation any search leader has ever had and it s a reflection on the careful work that s being done by the people in the back room who are retro knave gating their way through the radar signals through the hand shakes to give us this point on the ocean. the signals were strong as the pinger locator got close to it and then faded away as, you know, the ship moved away from the sound. why is that important? well, it gives an idea of what the location is. and what they will do now is to map the relative signal strength at different points in the ocean and draw a diagram to get the most probable exact location. so, i guess that s why, rob, they re not sending downing that drone submarine right now, we thought it would go down today but it didn t. what they want to do at the moment is keep towing the locator across that site and every time they do that, it takes around seven hours to run across the area and then turn and at the end and come back again. they re frying to triangulate, they re trying to take different bearings, different measures to find exactly where the location of that sound might be. what happens then? i think they will be able to find it. and in fact it was interesting because early this morning just after midnight, we had that press conference and then cnn was able to contact a commander on the ship and he said that they had received signals from the pinger for two hours, 20 minutes and then after they had gone further, made a turn and come back, they located more pinger activity for about 13 minutes, but i asked the gentleman, was the signal identical? and he said no, it was slightly different. which means that hopefully, both of the pingers, one from the cockpit voice recorder and one from the data reporter are both from the same area, emitting signals that happened to be very slightly different but identifiable. interesting. so rob, a question for you. if these sounds are indeed coming from those black boxes, why haven t we found any debris in the general vicinity? it s a good question. and i can only think of two reasons. one is that the aircraft, you know, went into the water relatively intact. you know, as a result of a belly landing or, you know, a very high speed straight down dive. but that s the first reason. it just simply didn t break up. and the second is that we didn t get to this area until ten days or so after the start of the search and it may have all drifted away. but it s a good question. and paul, can you get into that little more for us? because you think they would have found something. even if the plane did that belly landing, as the plane sunk under the ocean, it would have broken apart, wouldn t it? well, i would think so. i mean on impact, i don t know that a 777 would land going at the speed it was, which was 310 knots without breaking apart. you would expect to see debris floating. like how hopeful? i don t want to give false hope to our viewers because we have heard it before that they were cautiously optimistic and nothing came of anything. so rob, how hopeful should we be? you should be fairly hopeful. you need absolute proof, you need to sight wreckage either on the surface or on the sea floor. but they have been through the area twice, they re using the very best gear, the very best people. they wouldn t make an announcement unless they were on to something good. paul, do you agree? yes, indeed. i think they have been very, very cautious and they have been very good about not going overboard when it comes to making statements to give false hope. so i believe we have something real here. and it will solidify, of course, one piece of baggage would really, really make the case. something. robert mechanica mack the head of an international airlines group says it needs to set a global standard for tracking lanes. 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[ male announcer ] it s how edward jones makes sense of investing. the families of those on board flight 370 are struggling with the notion that those pings may be coming from the plane s black boxes, many families holding out hope until they get tangible group. a few bits and piece and -pau has more for you from bay jing. reporter: the families are cautious about the new reports of the pinging sounds. here s the dilemma, they want concrete information, but if they get confirmation that those sounds are from the black box, it would be the devastating final word on what happened. this woman says, my direct response is no matter if it s two hours of pulses or the frequency matches the black box signal, it s only a lead, a lead that brings us closer to where the plane is, but we don t know if the reports are true or false. the husband of a woman on the plane says he s coming to grips with what happened. it may be time in the next couple of days or the next couple of years, we will find the ending, but there will be a time that it will end. to me, i don t want that it is certainty. but if it is the facts i have to face it. the tonight the families will pause for the one-month mark of the crash of flight 370. the vigil will last until 8:19 a. a.m. the moment of that last partial ping that was detected by that satellite. still to come in the newsroom, oscar pistorius takes the stand in his murder trial and cries as he remembers the night he shot his girlfriend. i was simply trying to protect reba. i can promise you that night she felt love. hear for testimony when we come back. are you ready grandma? just a second, sweetie. 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this morning off the coast of australia, search crews are racing to track down the most promising lead yet in the sunny for that missing air liner. the australian navy ship ocean shield has picked up signals from what could be the dying batteries of the flight recorders, the so-called black boxes. brian todd joins us with a closer look at what the pinger locator can and cannot do. reporter: the pinger locator is an impressive piece of equipment. this is phoenix international, a company in maryland that manufactured the towed pinger locator as well as the autonomous au vehicle. a picture of that device, it looks like a torpedo. but the pinger locator looks like a short try angular device with a fin on top. that s the piece of equipment that may have detected the black box signals. the pinger locator can pick up signals at 15,000 feet. it can detect the signal up to two miles away. it does have some limitations, bad weather could affect it in an adverse way, under water obstacles could affect it in an adverse way. so it could have some capabilities that are impressive, and it may have some drawbacks as well. but it could have made a major discovery in this case. how dependable is this device, brian. it s very dependal. they say it s very consistent and in the last 18 years it s been used four times in major commercial crashes in water, and in three of those times, it was successful in finding the pinger, including the egypt air crash in 1999. the only time it failed was in 2009 it passed over the box of the air france plane that crashed in the atlantic, air france 447 and it did not detect the signals from the black box and that s because the pinger became dislocated from the black box and may have been damaged. they say the success of the pinger locator speaks for itself, carol. brian todd, reporting live this morning, thank you. we ll go back to our coverage of that missing flight in just a minute. but first to another big story we re following today. a dramatic day in court as olympic athlete oscar pistorius takes the stand. he has consistently said her death was a tragic accident. he said it was a burglar in the bathroom. today he fought back tears as he apologized to steencamp s family. i would like to apologize, there hasn t been a moment since this tragedy happened that i haven t thought about your family. i wake up every morning, and you re the first people i think of, the first people i pray for. i can t imagine the pain and the sorrow and the grief i have caused your family. i was simply trying to protect reba. i can promise you when she went to bed that night, she felt loved. legal analyst sunny hostin and matthew galugow, thank you to both of you. oscar pistorius started with that emotional statement, he spoke directly to the family, turning his back to the judge even. was that effective? i think it was necessary and it was p effective. he has to show and prove to everyone that he was not trying to kill his girlfriend that night obviously. so demonstrating that he has this genuine remorse. it would have been very strange if he hadn t cried, if he hadn t been remorseful. sunny, he s been emotional in court the whole way through. he went on with his emotional testimony by telling the courtroom and the judge that he had trouble sleeping, that he had nightmares following steencamp s death. listen. i have terrible nightmares got things that happened that night, where i wake up and i smell blood and i wake up to being terrified. if i hear a noise, i wake up in a complete state of terror. to a point that i would rather not sleep than fall asleep and wake up like that. and sunny, he went on for about 45 minutes, detailing how when he was a boy, he was very afraid of crime. in fact his mother slept with a gun under his pillow. those are his earliest memories. what is the defense trying to establish here? i think the defense is certainly trying to humanize them. they re trying to explain why he would have behaved in a manner than was completely different than his training. because we know this is a person who s very familiar with guns, he s certified in how to use guns. he knows that under south african law, he has to assess a threat. someone has to really be approaching him, if indeed he believed that was a burglar, that person was supposed to have approached him before he discharged his firearm. he was familiar with all of that. so the defense has to now prove to this judge he behaved differently to his training because he was in this sort of state of sheer terror, because she wasn t on his prosthetic legs, because of his training in south africa. because of his mother, because of the need he felt to protect reba. and i think so far, he s doing a decent job at that. the judge ended the testimony very early today saying that she felt he looked exhausted. so certainly ily these demeanor in the courtroom is helping him. but i agree, it s really about what happens on cross-examination, because we know he killed her, he admitted to killing her, it s really about whether or not he intended to kill her. and i guess the defense is starting to set up that process right now, because they talked about pistorius s prosthetic legs. earlier in the trial, based on forensic evidence, pistorius was not wearing his prosthetics the night steencamp was shot. listen to something that was said in court that seems to contra dick that. i don t have balance on my stumps. i couldn t stand on my stumps. i can t stand still on my stumps. i keep my prosthetics next to my bed and when i get up in the morning i put them on and when i go to sleep at night, i take them off. so it was during a time when i was not wearing any prosthetic legs. pistorius says he can t stand without his prosthetics on, and this could be a key sticking point to his defense, right, greg? yeah, it certainly could be. i think he s probably going to correct that statement later on cross-examination and say that he can stand somewhat, but he s a little wobbly, and it certainly would have been possible for him to shoot through the door while wearing his stumps. but he s already sworn that he wasn t wearing the prosthetic legs at the time he shot through the door. he s going to need to fix that probably on cross-examination. sonny? i think it sort of cuts both ways, because he has already in his affidavit said, listen, i was on my stump, and that is why i felt so afraid, because i wasn t on the prosthetic legs that i am normally on. if he can convince the judge that he wasn t on the prosthetic legs, that he was unsteady, and he felt sheer terror because he s disabled and he didn t feel as certain and as sure of himself. that testimony cuts both ways. i m sure he s going to explain on cross-examination exactly what he meant. but i think he s going to stick to his story that was his on stumps, not on his prosthetic legs. thank you for being with me today. still to come on the newsroom, off the radar and quite possibly on purpose, a developing twist in the disappearance of flight 370. that s next. ups is a global company, but most of our employees live in the same communities that we serve. people here know that our operations have an impact locally. we re using more natural gas vehicles than ever before. the trucks are reliable, that s good for business. but they also reduce emissions, and that s good for everyone. it makes me feel very good about the future of our company. ameriprise asked people a simple question: can you keep your lifestyle in retirement? 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reporter: it s a really good question and certainly when this report came out, it gives that impression. the malaysian government has maintained that they thought this was a criminal act. now it s easy to say why, to have the aircraft go specifically around a point, in this case, a country, i think it has to be guided in some way to do that. it s not just going to do it on its own? it s not going to do it on its own for sure, it can be done by accident, but that would be a big coincidence. reporter: i asked mitchell to program it in. approaching this area right here, that s the last known normal point of flight 370. and now you see the plane will have to make a very sharp, veering turn and go on to this court that mitchell has picked. we don t know the way points, we don t even know how many way points there were. but there were supposed to be about 15 way pointses. there is another way to manually do it and show us. and it s very simple, you just turn the knob and you select the heading of 360 degrees in a circle. you just press that button. reporter: and you can see that the aircraft is beginning to turn. and that can feel actually not too abnormal if you re a passenger in the back. so that s in theory the way they could have happened it if it happened. as a pilot, do you know where exactly to evade radar? yeah, i mean, it would be a matter of studying the charts, but it s not something that we re not used to. when you re doing that every day anyway, you look at the charts and you see the lateral boundary and the vertical boundary and say i m going to skirt around it. reporter: just because you go around the country, it could be that you re trying to avoid their air space, it s not necessarily you re avoiding their radar, but don t want to enter their air space. i need mitchell to bring us up to an altitude that has been posted on the internet. here it is, if you look out front, this is the idea that somehow this aircraft could have shadowed another jumbo jet, assuming it knew one was going to be up there, knew roughly the course, and it would fly this close, which is actually terrifying to stay in the radar signature. in other words, two planes could effectively look as one, but i got to ask you, mitchell, what would it be like flying in the wake of something like that? well, imagine being, you know, behind a really big cruise ship going at full power and like following a semitruck on the highway? yes, all that rough air is going to be bumping the aircraft. reporter: and then you have to follow him precisely. what would it look like? if you turn the aircraft, you re going to have to match them turn for turn. reporter: otherwise you risk being revealed, carol. it s a fascinating idea, can you bring the plane down just a bit? and we ll give you another view of this. again, to think that you re going to follow and maybe be flying manually, a little lower, lower. maybe there. it would be quite troubling to try and remain this close for hours and then of course, you have to know when this guy is going to land, because if you don t, when he descends, you re left suddenly popping up on radar. right. reporter: an interesting theory, but in there particular case, it s doubtful that it was used. but looking at it from the cockpit, it s pretty fascinating. i want to bring in tom foreman and talk about this knows that the plane skirted indonesia. which would mean this plane took two turns, essentially, so tom foreman, take us through the plane s final route. reporter: if they re correct about all of their ideas about where it went, yeah, it skirted indonesia. the question is what kind of meaning do you put in that? it would have gone through here, across malaysia, you can see if it would have continued this way, of course it would have gone over indonesia or sumatra. then it goes out here to the tip and turns again. so, yeah, you could argue that the these maneuvers suggest that this plane was under control. would this take it beyond the territorial control of indonesia? somewhere about 14 miles off the coast there? yes, it would do that. would it necessarily take it beyond the radar range, which might be 200 miles or so? by the way, it wouldn t take it beyond the radar range. when they talk about avoiding the air space, i m not sure entirely what that means. it s possible, yes, it s headed this way, but even the suggestion carol, if it was headed off for some nefarious purpose, what is that? because despite a few scattered islands out here, that are real small, there s no sense of where it would be going. the idea that it went around indonesia, that seems to be established by the data, if the data is correct, the interpretation, the idea that this was done for some purposeful reason, that s a different question all together, carol, and that s where the biggest questions have to be raised. was this an accident of a disabled crew or a disabled aircraft? or was it a design? and if it was a design, does that really avoid indonesian detection? i don t know. when that source told you that the plane may have skirted indonesia, did they add anything to that? reporter: carol, it s difficult to say, i mean what we can say from here is i have talked to various people who have a good level of knowledge, one who has flown this particular aircraft, this airframe before was himself a pilot at malaysian airlines, i have talked to air accident investigators and they say when you have this type of information as it is presented now and i have to say this former malaysian aircraft pilot is a former friend of captain za harrah s. he said i don t want to go there, but logically i have nowhere else to turn. what does he mean? it seems to him that the air investigators that i have talked to and others here i have talked to as well, say it seems that who was in control of the area, was trying to fly it into a place where it wouldn t be seen by radar, that it would sort of fly off, if you will, into open territory, a cone of radar silence, was how one person put it to me. and the belief and understanding that at that time of the morning t aircraft would be flying towards sunrise, which would put the aircraft down as gental as possible on the water, not leave a debris field, not leave a great trail of radar information about where it was at what time. potentially the person flying the aircraft wasn t aware of the hand shakes from the satellite. so the logical conclusion that all these experts come to is that the reason for flying the plane in this way was to take it off and essentially disappear. and that s why they said it s emotionally a very difficult conclusion to come to. again, this is their theory, a number of experts theory, there s no evidence to prove this at this time. and it doesn t answer who precisely was at the control of the aircraft. wow. nic robertson, thanks so much. still to come in the newsroom, jeb bush says the debate over illegal immigration needs to move past, quote, harsh rhetoric. a live report out of washington coming your way next. 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even bees are jealous of her buzz. she is a walking drunk tank. i am here with joanne nosuchunsky. she can barely sit up. he know when s to hold them and knows when to fold them. i am talking about cats. it is tv andy levy. he follows his cats. and we find out the question in everyone s mind. it is daily beast senior editor will the do ron ron. and he is a country legend like johnny cash and big foot. sitting right next to me, country music singer and song writer, the great and not late larry gallen. he is still alive. a block. the lede. that s the first story. did we activate the califate? rosy blames the rise of isis on us us. on tuesday the view co-host and my squash partner got into it with waller. watch. don t you think the reason isis was created because when saudi hijackers attacked us, we invaded a different country that had nothing to do with it that would incite people to radicalize? what they hate about us is our values, our way of life. they hate our freedom. i have heard that on fox news a lot, but i don t believe that. i think that the reason you think we do things to make them mad? i think we have to be responsible for our actions. finally rosy. an avowed 9/11 truther. she is not alone in blaming the united states. a reporter for campus reform traveled to harvard, wherever that is, to ask students what is a bigger threat to world peace, america is isis ice, ice, baby. what is a bigger threat to world peace, america or isis? to word peace, america. go on. as a western civilization, we are to blame for a lot of the problems that we are facing now. i don t think anyone would argue we didn t create the problem of isis ourselves. we are at some level the cause of it. meanwhile, ice ice is out of our reach much like this pigeon. it is through the window. larry, welcome back. it is always a pleasure. you are a celebrity in someplaces. i am? what is your take on rosy s take? is she right to blame us? sure. she is kind of a spinal tap of let s sit down. you shooy is a parody of herself. except for the exercise to talk about her is a waste of time. would anybody really put any credence to anything the woman says? they brought her back to the view so apparently they take her seriously, larry. please. she is america s sweetheart. i wonder how much they had to pay her to get her to come back there. i don t know. not a whole lot. she probably got it fairly cheap. go look up the mongol invasion of baghdad, 1258. they have been pissed w didn t do this. it was not like it was something that happened the day before yesterday. it was long before george w was even a gleam in george washington s eye. to say he had anything to do with that is really pretty stupid. is america or ice ice a bigger threat to world peace? the ice ice joke. i am not going for it. everybody in the videos was wrong. rosie o donnell with the saudi hijacker thing and a one to one correlation. we did this so of course naturally isis rises up and you raised a good point there about the history of the region. at the same time, it is just like, well, they exist because they hate our freedom and they hate our values. it is fair to say that they are concentrating on us and not say countries with similar values. they are not talking about new swree land new zealand a lot and it may have something to do with our repeated interventions in the middle east. that is a reasonable this is the fourth president now that we have had inintervene in iraq militarily. it will be a fifth after this. the good news is it works though. yeah, but it never gets the desired result. we keep fighting to leave, but we can t quit it. the logic is when we leave, places go to hell. it is the same logic with ebola. the fact that we are not doing a travel ban is because we don t want to leave that area because when we leave that area it is gone. we have to go to these areas. if we don t go to these areas they are screwed. that s the mentality. we are sending troops to fight ebola and we are not saying when they are coming home. we have had so many military conflicts open up. well that s a true statement, will. you can shut up. that s almost four minutes. my dream is to be a host on the view and leave behind these losers and their late night waste land and then you snorted a line of you told me the recording devices were new. what are your thoughts on any of this. i say to rosy, to a victim shame a lame. her theory doesn t holdup because is she going to blame the drunk girl for her own molestation? is she going to blame matthew shepherd or another gay man in this country for his own beating and ultimate murder? i wouldn t think she would do any of those things. that idea that she is trying to find to piece all of this together it doesn t work. i feel bad for the victims of anyone or the families of the victims of 9/11 and the troops who have fought and their families. it is disgusting. that s the worst part. she never thinks about the victims that essentially i mean when she blames the united states she is making the victims victims they are victimized again. go ahead and defend your hero , rosy, and isis. which is which? i don t know. honestly at first i thought it was skewed. they say the saudi hijackers brought down the twin towers. i watched it and realized they did the air quotes. she actually believe there s are rabbits. isis or isil formed and this was in 1999 which i think the rosy correct me if i am wrong, but it was before 9/11. i believe so. it is too much to say these groups formed because of 9/11. on the other hand i agree with will. nicole wallace does not sound that bright here either. yes, hard core islamists don t like us because they don t like our values, but you can t say that bombing muslim countries collateral damage et cetera doesn t help these terror groups recruit. not everyone in these groups they are not all hard core islamists. a lot of them look at the rubble and say i president and say i don t like america. you know what, i am glad you said that. most people don t understand if america wasn t around, isis would kill them. rosy probably thinks she can have a discussion with isis and say i m with you. and they would probably kill her as they would kill the harvard students as well. let s go to the next story. did he have the gal to hang it from his wall? a picture that surfaced on twitter where many pictures do showing a young barack obama and his mother posing in sphront of an endangery posing in front of an endangered species of turtle. it has left america shellshocked. we will discuss in our three-time nickelodeon kids choice award-winning segment. according to the daily caller obama s wall art is a sea turtle. a species listed by the world wildlife foundation as criticallien ding erred. it was added to the list in 1970, five years, i repeat five years before the picture was taken. in a presidential proclamation about protecting coral reef species in the pacific, the president claimed he cared about the sea turtle. that picture doesn t lie. only that turtle lies dead. did the president kill the turtle? i am not saying he did, but he has bt but he hasn t said he didn t and the silence speaks volumes. speaking of disrespecting turtles. that s the future of fuel efficient travel. andy, if that turtle could speak today, would you demand impeachment? it is a trick question. turtles can t speak. you said if the turtle can speak. we have to say this is a solid piece of investigative journalism by the daily caller. it appears to feature an endangered species. it appears to be taken by president obama s childhood home. you have to do better than that. i have to say though i think it is okay if the president he says he wants to protect the turtles. his views evolved on gay marriage and it can evolve on turtles as well. president obama is a big entourage fan. he should mount jeremy ferrara. he loves binge watching whatever the show was. entourage. anytime somebody tries to say president obama is cool, the dude loves entourage. he is clearly not cool. if he cannot protect an endangered species, how can he protect our country? he can t. he won t. he hasn t. he is the poster boy for tortoises. he needs a 12-step program to help him get out of the middle of the road. you are talking about evolving. on what subject does he not evolve? there is never a we are going to do this and this is the way to do this. we are thinking about that. he is considering options. how long do you consider options? how many heads have to roll? there is the quick answer. when i think about the man and i want to say bad words on tv. we will stop there because we don t allow bad words. we hate the [bleep]. will, what other endangered species does obama use for decoration? does he have a panda and a tiger rug and a bald eagle bong? wouldn t that be cool? all of this is badass. we have to establish that we don t know when the turtle was killed. did may have been perfectly legal to kill the turtle. the turtle may have had it coming. i like the idea of a president what did the turtle know? what did nixon do? he is a wartime president now. you want him to kill an endangered turtle. you want him in there. you want him killing. there is a 74% chance that his kenyan birth certificate is in that turtle. talk about a shell game. it is indeed a shell game. that s going to be the title of my next book. joanne, you said you are more offended by the president s mom genes than the turtle. do you stand by your statement? yes, the pants need to be extinct. we don t need to see that. i have three options for the president if he wants to, you know, talk about this. and he is listening to you. yes, listen to me. it is plastic. it was photoshoped in there. or yes it is wrong, but it serves as a reminder the fight he needs to fight for the voiceless. i have one question. where is peta? peta would be firing off open letters to every huffington post and picked up by the media and there would be heads rolling. that s not enough. we always have to go back and it doesn t fit the narrative. anytime anything comes up about anything at anytime at any place , if it doesn t fit, then then exactly. it is a teachable moment. it is a teachable moment. does a pretty face help win the race? according to a new election study, my favorite kind of election study, candidates have a better shot if they are hot. american politics research looked at the 2008 congressional races and determined that office seekers can get a bump of up to 10% if they are good looking. an extremely attractive candidate running against an unattractive candidate can expect to obtain a beauty premium of 7% of the vote. that s enough to decide the marginal races. they note that the beauty bump only happens when both people running are of the same gender. i believe we have some beautiful candidates. i was president i wasn t looking. i didn t see it coming. it was a dream of mine to fly like superman. and now i have achieved it through dance production techniques. will, this probably is not a surprise. no, you would only get a 7% bump out of this. like america today? yes. eventually one of the porn stars who is running for office, there is always the perennial store of the porn star running like a gag candidate. they will have the governor of california elected for that reason. i will give that 20 years. all right. to run for congress because you have a slight edge being about a whatever you are. what am i? you are drop dead gorgeous and i would vote for you for anything. it is nice to know i have options. should this not work out for any reason. there was a study done by someone in 2, 2000 something that shows babies choose beautiful people. i think it has to do with symetry. most things do. i think that we subconsciously do the same thing in adulthood. however, i don t think you should be too pretty. then people don t trust you or they are jealous. you assume somebody who is good looking was hired by their looks. you think they might be income assistant. they might be incompetent. they say beauty is skin deep, but ugly goes to the bone. not too long ago in one of the magazines they had a lot of the republican ladies, women, broads, chicks, what are we supposed to call you? our whole deal, it is a lady that okay. just get to the point. i am not sure you want to get to the point. we had the democratic women and they looked like they were all wearing gas masks or something. it was a bunch of trolls that were living under a bridge or something. nicely done. i don t know why i am laughing. why did i ask? there is an ideal area and you want to be in that zone. you don t want hotter than that. he is a gorgeous man. i won t lie to you. i think it is alive and well. you know what is interesting about lookism? people talk about crime and discrimination based on skin. it is based not on skin color, but on skin condition. i was reading about a study and acme is a it is like a major predicter in risk for crimes. severe acne you are predisposed to crime and i believe it has to do with discrimination against people with acne which leads you to maybe sexual rejection which leads to criminalization. that s what i say. always insulting people. he is not a nice person. there is no time for me. wait, i didn t ask you? you sure didn t. coming up, i went into my theory on acne. i feel bad. i had pimples when i was a kid. so did adam levine. pro active. i am here. coming back. welcome back. andy, i didn t get to you. what is your theory on the study of lookism? i don t remember. come on. that was a longtime ago, greg. viewers don t know. we spent 25 minutes before blocks. between takes. from now on i am boycotting you. is it a human right or cultural blithe. maryland governor o malley is at the fore front of an urban renaissance. he said, quote, younger people are choosing to live in cities and they realize the connections to each other are making us better. the wi-fi is a human right. not so fast, governor. in iran the grand ayatollah warns that before the country expands its high speed internet doesn t have access to unislamic stuff. i believe the ayatollah is worried about videos like this. that is disgusting. japanese porn gets weirder and weirder. is wi-fi a human right or is governor o malley a silly goose? i don t like to use that term because i know it is strong. he might be a silly goose. they should blurt out what you just said and put goose in there instead. it is easy to make fun of the statement obviously. follow the o malley logic right here. is education a human right? a lot of people would say it is. the internet is the greatest educational tool ever invented. that was good. wi-fi because that s how you get to internet in america in 2014. at least here on the coast. joanne, you seem impressed by that. would you like to add anything to that or say something about selfies. # first world problems. he could have chosen better words, but i think his idea is correct. we live in a cosmopolitan age and we need these things for the new american dream. farce iran goes, technology isa@ not evil. people are evil if they use technology in an evil way. even a book can be bad if you smack someone over the head with it. that is very true. i went for the more literal. a book that would fall on your head. doesn t calling wi-fi a human right cheapen the definition of human rights? whatever he was, the governor, what was he? believing that wi-fi is a human right, they believe that sitting on your big lard-ass sitting drinking a drink and smoking a cigarette and watching oprah after selling food stamps is a human right. my human right is get up off your butt and go to work. the same people that connect the wi-fi and the thing the ayatollah said is it went viral on the internet. it was high speed to get his message out. that doesn t make sense to me. they think everything is a human right as long as you and i pay for it. that s enough for this segment. that s coming up. just kidding, andy. defend your hero, the ayatollah. i love that the ayatollah put this up on his personal blog. that s the best ever. the devices you need to use wi-fi that is to be human rights. i would go further. it seems that it is unfair that some people have newer, faster and more powerful phones. some are still using these iphone 5 s. that s me. i m poor. the government has to provide everyone with the latest samsung galaxy. don t tell them about it. they will. it is the only fair thing. happiness is a human right. that means shopping at whole foods. if i can t afford it, that s a right. i need to be subsidized at whole foods. i need an iphone. but i need a lot of pain medication not because i am in the pain, but let s face it. it is great. feeling good is a right. it is not overrated. it is a right. if we all felt good we wouldn t have problems. there are people in the world losing their life fighting for rights and freedom. this honestly isn t a joke. if you think wi-fi is a human right you should not be willed hoing political office and should not be allowed to vote. i think we are taken a little far. you should be patted on the head. i think we will take a break. i will let andy speak more. one more thing though. do you want to talk about the study from a block now? what is what that story? the ugliness. wasn t that yesterday? no help from him. coming up, a senate candidate sings a country song. first a word from our sponsor. tonight s sponsor is wow-wu. wake up, america. it is made from distilling the potential energy. there is enough to kill a yak. trust us, we tried. start your day off right and open it up with a can of wow-wu. will he finish strong with a catchy song? a south dakota senate candidate released a song set to the tune of rock me mama by a fellow named bob dylan, who ever that is. probably an up and coming singer. rick wyland s message is simple. get money out of politics and kill the red heads. listen up, listen uppers. don t have an rv just my automobile i can t run a $9 million campaign i don t have an easy five to explain no one bought me ain t that the truth. a former fema official trails republican former governor mike rounds which is creepy. stop trailing him. get a life. you have some experience in country music, i hear. what did you make of the song? it sounds like somebody taking a chain saw to a cat s ass. ouch. is this the cheesiest? the overabundance of talent does not mean that you will make it in the music business. the total lack of talent does not mean you won t. this guy has a shot at being a country music star. that is the velveta. i love velveta. but we don t need to hear it in a flat on the campaign trail. late are you will hear it in a flat if you know what i mean. i that was good. do you have a black thing right there. i want to move on to something. you have a new song out called america with remington. it is doing well. i would love to play a clip if you mind. do i mind? no, i m looking for work. you know what, i don t have to stand for this. i will play the real one. staring down the barrel of my gun and america i like how you rhyme american with remington. that s a professional. why are you so excited about electric razors though? why is that american? electric razors? yeah. did we change a remington? that was so far it took me awhile. bill billy dean cain go sit in your room. i am. i am the guest here. billy is a wonderful singer-song writer and he is a patriot. he came to me and said he had an idea. when he told me i said sit down. we wrote it in about an hour and we put that thing we didn t even know the song. it had over 15 million hits. we are getting if you can get 300 you wind up in the hall of fame. we are hitting about 900. 90% of the people love it. i am having veterans. i am having veterans, all walks of life. you said go kill yourself and the world will be a better place. i m sorry. i considered the source and i knew you didn t mean it. we are getting people to stand up for us. we sang it three times in our concerts. we go. an american and they start clapping. with a remington and obviously part is overblown. however, if you do come into my house, it is not somebody we invited in and it is midnight and i will put that red beam right between your eyes and shoot you in the face. people talk about the difference between country and hip hop. they both love their guns. why can t you guys come together over the love of guns? it is different guns. country is a shotgun kind of thing. hip hop is a handgun situation. and then there is me and my own guns. no. have i heard what s that other show you do? the five. i heard you say on their things people first of all you know how the quickest way you can figure out what states have that you can carry a gun. the ones you really need it, you can t. the people who are passing the laws saying we don t need guns have armed guards. i don t have an armed guard. i am my own armed guard. you don t have one? i m sorry. joanne you have been dating yours for a longtime. yes, he is great. you pretend to sing at times. what did you make of the campaign? wrong song choice. he has a mayday who is spending $1 million on him. they are trying to de feet big money by spending big money. the song should have been ironic uh plan nighs more set. uh plan nighs more set. i m sure the people in his home district would have known who she is. everyone knows who she is. she is a jagged little pill. thoughts on this. it is from the cornucopia in your hollow brain. i was going to say i thought he was a talented guy. larry said otherwise and i am not going to disagree. first of all rick wyland will go on tour after this. also as andy would point out after a couple of drinks he will never get elected because he is a former fema official and they run the death camps. it says fema camps on my paper. you stole his joke. andy, what about the fema cans. that s where the chem trails are gathering. i can t believe i have to explain this again on the air. the chem trails make us all sedate. and that makes it easier for them to put us in the fema camps. my mercury filling is telling me something. the problem is when you try to take a song that previously existed and you change the lyrics to try to do one in political lyrics, it is painful because they never quite fit, so there are extra syllables they have to rush through. i wonder what kind of crack he was smoking when he said i will take bob dylan s lyrics and add mine. but there is a line that has to be eight sill law balances and he has 13 sill labelles and he is that 13. you know what is painful talking country music. i don t get country music. you also said you don t listen to the gatlin brothers. we are really good and i can write songs. you also have said time and time again you just don t get america. i don t get america. and you don t have a south. the using? the constitution? i don t know. it is coast ali leet. and you have a black thing in your tooth. that s the satellite. what are you doing? it is time to take a break. we will go to the playground. by the way, have you purchased not cool ? if you haven t i hate you. but if you order it now at amazon.com, i will love you until the end of time. autographed copy at g gutfeld.com. buy seven. christmas is coming up. do you think kids should swing? you won t like this story. schools in richland, washington are phasing out swing sets. it is a trend that could take place. the fun is done. swing set have caused most injuries of any play equipment, more than the pit of crocodiles or even the kid catapult into a pit of crocodiles. here is someone from the school district. the schools get modernized we will take out the swings. it is a safety issue. swings have been determined to be the probably the most unsafe of all of the play ground equipment on the playground. the district notes liability is an issue. here is one mom who knows swings can get quite crazy sometimes. those swings can get quite crazy. i actually witnessed an accident with my own eyes at one time. by the time you can do something about it she was knocked out. jay wiewns again we have once again we are joined by our live studio audience panel. how many believe i shouldn t be allowed to visit playgrounds? the judge agreed with you. most of the accidents occur from kids walking in front of or behind the swing. shouldn t we ban kids who don t pay attention. if they take them away kids will not learn to you to walk in front of them. we will see adults walking in front of it. and the fact of the matter is you will be better to survive an injury as a kid. as an adult, you are using a walker. you are hillary clinton. the wing is basically preparing you for on coming traffic. agree with me, only in obama s america. have no positive memories from swing sets. all of these things, swing sets, monkey bars. you that s because you needed a friend to push you. all of this stuff is dangerous. you cut yourself that has nothing to do with it. how many imaginary friends did you have? one or two. you watch the kids watch the television do. unless the television raised them and it worked for me and now i am on television. he is. unfortunately next to me. i am assuming you had a traumatic swing accident. you know the chain link, i always get i had chubby hands. we are even now. it would get stuck in there and it would hurt. it would hurt a lot. i think parents could raise their kids in bubbles. it is not just an option, but a great film. you won t believe this, but we used to ride our bicycles behind the ddt truck. we believe it. i m serious. all it did was let 50jillion be killed by malaria. envelope got love you, but people will get concussions. they are big guys hitting each other. people have too much time on their hands than to worry about this kind of crap. who wants to buy some hair? you will find out. the conference call. the ultimate arena for business. hour after hour of diving deep, touching base, and putting ducks in rows. the only problem with conference calls: eventually they have to end. unless you have the comcast business voiceedge mobile app. it lets you switch seamlessly from your desk phone to your mobile with no interruptions. i ve never felt so alive. get the future of phone and the phones are free. comcast business. built for business. eye curtis armstrong, booger from revenge of the nerds and lou daabs. e block. last story. that s the last story. i love me some lou. he is due his worth dough. somebody paid $37,000 for a pair of willy nelson s braids. you said it wrong. what did i say? he is. i m sorry. it is late. it is given to waylon jennings as a sobriety present and it was up for auction along with other belongings. no one knows who snagged the braids my guess it is either a crazy scientists or a red headed stranger. anything hairy you want to sell? no, but what? willy s suitcase sold for $837,000 because some of the greatest ganga did you ever get high with him? yeah, willy is an old friend of mine. we used to pal around a little bit. he is a great guy and i love will. he has been stoned since the 50s. nothing wrong with that, will. what do you say, you are high on life and body hair. gregory if i bought that i would smoke that [bleep] frankly. unnecessary. you are out of here. we have a minute left on the show. joanne, does the thought of receiving gifts make you want to try sobriety? no, there is nothing worth that. who ever bought these maybe they have a hair fetish and they are like let me try to french braid on this. maybe a fish tail braid if you smoke in willy s suitcase i m sure. this is the perfect cat toy for one of your cats. if i bought these i would cherish them. i would hang them from various body parts and my ears. i am imagining the scene in in the goodbye horses scene and silence of the lambs. i don t watch foreign films.. what was the question? i don t have a question. you are basically giving up on the show andy levy style. you shouldn t be paid for the last part of the show. i don t think i am not. i was president paid for anything. celebrities should sell stuff like this. imagine if you were a big richard gear fan why not buy his tow toe nails? maybe somebody will buy cher s eyelashes. it would have to be by the way, i can sell my glasses. now that i have bi-focal contacts i don t need my glasses. $100 per chair? i will get $100. it is for charity. want the money. maybe if you offer i will give the money to charity. guitar music whoa, dude! people see you having fun are you thinking what i m thinking? just a-lying in the sun yea, i m gonna cut the gap. tell them that you like it this way yea, (laughs), sweet! it s the work that we avoid i m gonna get it. i m gonna get it! and we re all self-employed i m goin in we love to work at nothin all day and we ve been taking care of business it s all right whew! taking care of business, saved the day! out for you. breaking tonight, sources inside the white house telling us that president obama is under pressure to change his strategy to defeat isis terrorists. but the president is not budging. welcome to the kelly file everyone, i m megyn kelly. hours ago president obama huddling at the pentagon with the nation s highest ranking military leaders before he goes off to a fundraiser. as his war strategy and leadership is publicly questioned by white house insiders, a former president, military leaders and now a majority of the american people. tonight marks two months since the commander in chief ordered air strikes against isis. and less than 30 days since he laid out his strategy to degrade and ultimat
bringing new insight into how the president decided to fire former fbi director james comey. the new york times was first to report special counsel robert mueller has an early draft of a trump letter detailing his reasons for firing comey. the report says, quote, the letter drafted in may was met with opposition from donald mcgahn, the white house counsel who believed the angry tone was problematic, according to interviews with a dozen administration officials and others briefed on the matter. the letter was reportedly drafted while the president was on a long weekend at his golf club in new jersey. it was never sent but it was apparently saved. and now robert mueller has a copy. when james comey was fired a few days later. the white house had an official line on why. they said the president made the decision based on deputy attorney general rod rosenstein s recommendation. rosenstein you ll recall was comey s boss. and the man running the russia investigation because attorney general jeff sessions recused himself. the white house based the letter the president actually sent to comey on rosenstein s memo. but the new york times reports they made one significant revision adding a point personally important to mr. trump. and that was a line in the middle of the four paragraph that the president sent to let him know why he was being canned. while i greatly appreciate you informing me three separate occasions i was not under investigation. i nevertheless concur with the department of justice that you are not able to effectively lead the bureau. it s a point that s been important to the president. he stressed it again the next week in an interview with nbc s lester holt. we had a very nice dinner. and at that time he told me you are not under investigation which i knew anyway then during the phone call he said it. and then during another phone call he said it. he said it once at dinner and then he said it twice during phone calls. did you call him? in one case i called him in one case he called me. did you ask am i under investigation. i actually asked him, yes. i said if it s possible would you let me know, am i under investigation. and he said you are not under investigation. now, while we do not know exactly what was in this draft letter, new reporting from the wall street journal gives us an idea. they write par phrasing the letter an administration official said mr. trump wanted in message sent. you told me three times i m not under investigation but you won t tell the world it s hampering the country. why was trump so upset with comey in that moment in may. several reports indicate it was something comey said a few days before while he testified before the senate judiciary committee about the clinton email investigation. this was terrible. it makes me mildly gnashes to think we might have had some impact on the election. but honestly it wouldn t change the decision. politico reports once trump returned from the trip to new jersey it was career he was not changing his mind. then the white house began frants from aicly searching for how to explain the firing. press secretary sarah huckabee sanders was asked about the draft letter in the briefing room today. first of all can you confirm the existence of that letter? secondly, can that letter be made public? and thirdly, you report that don mcgahn thought it was appropriate. can you discuss whether or not you or the president believe trafting such a letter was appropriate. i m not getting into any of that. i think we covered those things extensively during that time as ty cob said earlier today to the extent the special prosecutor is interested in these matters we will be fully transparent with his investigation. and frankly i don t have anything to add beyond that. and with that we bring in our leadoff panel. former u.s. attorney joyce vancep former chief of staff to vice president biden and gore. ron clan, national reporter for axios jonathan swan and boston globe columnist. indira. welcome to all of you. jonathan, take us back to the weekend in may. a rainy weekend at bed minister at the golf club. what ended up happening? the president was supposed to play golf with the australian golfer great norman. he went down by helicopter thursday. it was a wrar rare weekend where he did not have his chief of staff reince priebus. it was donald trump, jared, ivanka, steven miller. rainy weekend. he was stewing indoors over the weekend, venting with o about comey. now we learn that he worked with steven miller on what has been described variously as a screed or a rant justifying his decision to fire james comey. joyce, let s talk a little bit about what happened in this letter that don mcgahn, the white house counsel ended up something and thought was problematic. what stands out to you about this. well the devil will be in the details with the letter. we don t know the precise language in the letter. it s sort of interesting that we have the reports. but we have only characterization. if the letter was limited to president trump having great difficulty with director comey because he wouldn t reveal publicly what he had assured trump about privately, the fact that he wasn t under investigation, then we have a situation that s a little bit more difficult to convey knowledge to the participants. but if this letter comes out and says, you know, the russian investigation is a madeup sort of bol ox needs to be ended. you won t i m firing you. then everyone touching the letter or saw the letter has a real problem. there is another piece of complexity to this ron, the new york times had something else interesting i want to highlight here. it said during the may 8 oval office meeting with mr. trump, mr. rosenstein was given a copy of the original letter and agreed to write a separate memo for mr. trump about why mr. comey should be fired. now this becomes hard to start connecting the dots. but on the face of it this seems unusual. rod rosenstein, james comey s boss head of the russia investigation for all intents and purposes because the attorney general stepped aside. cease the screed or letter whatever it is and takes it and says i m doing something with this. i think it calls into question what rod rosenstein was doing here. he saw the letter, knew the letter was written. drafted a different letter. the administration put it out and said this is why we re firing james comey. the cover letter says based on this recommendation i m firing james comey. naes a lie. we know it s a lie. we know he made the decision to fire director comey at the golf weekend. he drafted some crazy explanation for it it. rod rosenstein knew it. the question is was rod rosenstein providing political cover for president trump and how does that affect his role in this investigation on an ongoing basis. because, indira subsequent to that we heard from a number of people, the president himself, sarah huckabee sanders this was large largely done on the advice and counsel of rod rosenstein. but it gives you a sense or at least gets you into the president s head a little bit about the idea that he was obsessed with james comey telling the country that he was not under investigation. what does this make you think? right, i mean it s not just rod rosenstein we have to wonder about his rationale, but also steven miller, the aide who if the reports are correct might be caught up in a potential obstruction of justice investigation. because let s face it. there is the ever-changing rationale given by the president and his team about why james comey was fired. the first rationale given is it s because he mishandled hillary clinton s email investigation. then the second is because he lost the confidence of the fbi rank and file. the third rationale given is, remember when he when donald trump was in the oval office with the russian foreign minister and the lavrov and said james comey was a nut job. and the fourth rationale was the public letter from rod rosenstein and the fifth rationale was lester holt telling him i had to get rid of him because of the russia thing. it s an ever-changing constantly moving target. i think it definitely i think mueller s team is investigating it. but i think there are numerous aides at this point we have to wonder what were they thinking, the fact that don mcgahn, the white house counsel was feeling uncomfortable with this. in the end the president put back in the things the white house counsel wanted taken out like the references to i m not under investigation and the references, personal references put back in. indira i think you win panelist of the night just for being able to recite the five rationales that s amazing. joyce this does put rod rosenstein into a different light for many people. now again this is reporting. we don t have confirmations. we don t know what else rod rosenstein had to say about any of this. but if the idea as presented is that the president had written miller, rod rosenstein takes it and returns with a different memo which gives the president some cover to get rid of james comey, in has got to give some people some pause about the fact that rod rosenstein is the guy in charge of anything to do with russia at the department of justice.ore detail here. we know that rosenstein pushed back when the president tried to hang the firing of jim comey on him. he developmentally objected to that. the letter he wrote, the memo he wrote to the president didn t actually take reach the conclusion that comey should be fired. he talked about actions he had taken. he disagreed with the way comey conducted the public part of the clinton email investigation. but rosenstein never called for the firing. spo i think we have the next step that occurs when there is an outcry from the white house they don t want to see a special counsel onboard. it s rosenstein who makes the decision since attorney general sessions is recused to put a special counsel in place. and he doesn t hire just any special counsel he brings back bob mueller, the storied legendary fbi director. so if i was a betting person which i typically try not to be in investigative matters i would say there is another story here. there are some pieces of the puzzle about rod rosenstein s involvement that we haven t heard yet. i was saying to ron, jonathan swan in the break that what i would give to be five years hence looking back and saying here is what you guys didn t know about this. but jonathan, this has been a difficult week for the white house with respect to nightly revelations about russia. while most of us have been watching that the developments of hurricane harvey and its aftermath in texas, in russia stuff has been trickling out. what does this do to a white house especially a white house with a busy september ahead? well, they already had very damaged credibility with regards to russia. and they re shifting explanations for the comey firing. and whatever remains of that credibility has just been shredded with the stories today. and people inside know that. they know that. i mean, like it is a damning chronology. you have a president of the united states sitting at home in his golf club with his son-in-law and daughter, and a 31-year-old aide drafting this letter, presenting it to his team, including the vice president on the monday, and then they all come out with this phoney line about they were acting on rosenstein s recommendation. this chronology is just being completely blown up. trump had blown it up with his interview with restore holt and other things he said. you but the fact that pence was in the room in the oval that is what we call a bad fact. i don t know about the legality about this and the shifting because no one does because it s been quiet. we can see who mueller is hiring, the caliber of investigators that he is hiring. we can now see that the white house is on the back foot. the credibility has been shot. indira, let s talk about it s an unduly busy september because we have a budget resolution that has to occur otherwise the government shuts down. we have the aftermath of harvey which is going to be expensive. we have a president who until harvey hit was talking about allowing the government to shut down so he can get funding for the budget wall. that s urgent stuff to get done. the president started touring around the country discussing tax reform which there isn t any meat on those bones either. tell me how you see the next few weeks proceeding. i think it s going to be difficult for the president because he has his list of things, his want to dos and must dos. for the the president knows are personal. about fulfilling the age for the american people. and that of course means the base and the wall. pan he osk threatened to shut down the government over the wall. don t forget. he said that mexico was going to pay for it. now it seems the american people are supposed to pay for it. i think donald trump is not going to tie hurricane spending to the wall. i think that congress feels that i don t think the ship is going to sail that way. we now know that the president has requested over $7 billion in hurricane relief funds. i think that s going through probably. but i don t think he is going to be able to tie the wall to it. tax reform, that s a whole other conversation how much time have you got ali. you know it s a topic i love indira we can talk about this a lot. en ron, let s talk about the fact gnat russia stuff has been twrikling out it hasn t caused congress to break with the president on his own. the president has gone out of his way to break with congress. and then the charlottesville stuff happened. we have talk from members of congress that in a lot of ways they need to go it alone even on the issue of daca we ll be talking about later in the show. a lot of members of congress are saying we need to to get work done. with russia there is a lot of smoke here it s not just documents burned at the russian consulate in san francisco. the pile gets higher and higher. at some point in time the republicans on the hill won t be able to peer over and ignore it. but i grow the other problem he has a fundamentally broken relationship with the republicans in congress. at war with mitch mcconnell. at occasional war on and off with paul ryan. john mccain one of the senior republicans of the senate published an op-ed this woke calling the president reckless and unreliable. and that s not the basis he has a huge september ahead, daca potentially in congress, debt, the details on the spending bill. disaster relief, four big ds to deal with in september and a broken replace with republican leadership. you just teased something we re talking about. the panel thank you for joining us. the some of you stick around. ron just alluded to black spoke smoke we saw coming out of the russian consulate in san francisco. we ll talk about that when we come back. and john mccain talks to the op-ed pages. ron talked about that. the fake news washington post with some blistering words for colleagues on the hill and for president trump. all of that and more when the 11th hour continues. our phones are little internet machines. so shouldn t we get our phones and internet from the same company? that s why xfinity mobile comes with your internet. you get up to 5 lines of talk and text at no extra cost. so all you pay for is data. see how much you can save. choose by the gig or unlimited. and ask how to get $200 off the latest devices. xfinity mobile. a new kind of network designed to save you money. call, visit, or go to xfinitymobile.com. welcome back to the 11th hour rgs. in san francisco today black smoke poured out of a building. but firefighters were turned away. an associated press reporter heard people come out and tell them nothing was wrong. it was coming from a fireplace. notably in san francisco ht hit an all-time today of 106 degrees. what a day for a fire? and the building? it s the russian consulate ordered to close within 48 hours by the u.s. state department yesterday. that move in retaliation for putin s july decision to reduce personnel from the u.s. mission in russia. our panel is back with us. i ve got jonathan swan, indira and ron. ron let me start with you there was a headline from the new york times. glenn and maggie haberman penned a story saying forceful chief of staff grates on trump. and the feeling is mutual. mr. kelly quickly brought some order he is fully aware of the president s volcanic resentment being managed and he treaded carefully through the minefield of the president psychee. but the president bridles at what he is feels is being told what to do. in the presidential campaign, mr. kelly has gradually diminished in his appeal to his restless boss. what is different this time is that mr. trump meider in self-destructive controversies and record low approval ratings needs mr. kelly more than kelly needs him. unlike the men and women over the years for trump. the chief of staff signed on a sense of duty more than personal leonard richment or fame. you and i had a conversation just as john kelly when he was coming on to take the job and the role he would have to play. i don t know that he was going to relish the role. it sounds like he is having difficulty. the fact of the trump presidency is donald trumps first and foremost. kelly won t change that. the discipline he imposed isn t minor. he is just trying to control some of the information flow to the ppt by the standards of the two white houses i worked in this would be baby stuff. the fact that trump recents that tells us about trump. the fact that john kelly, though says he isn t taking it. in the piece new york times trumped to him in ways he has never been talked to before. he won t take that again. earlier at the arizona rally. john kelly was there and wouldn t come up on stage. we ll satisfy how the cultures mesh if at all. indira one of the things that people say about this white house is that, okay, maybe john kelly has what it takes to organize the white house or as ron says the information flow to the president and impose some discipline with the staffing and the number of people coming into his office how they call him making appointments all of these things it seems he is able to manage. but as ron says that s baby stuff. and given the agenda and the things that have to be done and the failure of the repeal and obamacare and tax reform does all of this matter? i ve said it before you cannot clees house for someone who the president thrives on ch and disorder. that s how he likes to run things. we see the apprentice as the external manifestation of the way he runs the business empire. he likes to have rivals ghting, attention. you know his loyalty. this is just the way he likes c reporting today that staffers who are annoyed by john kelly s efforts to rein in the president are culling him behind his become church lady. one person actually trying to impose order is seen as annoying and ruining the party. if the president himself is by all accounts secretly using his cell phone to call steve bannon when john kelly is trying to not allow the calls through, i think it kind of tells what you you need to know. ultimately the president is in charge, not the chief of staff. and the president will get to do what he wants to do. jonathan what s your take on this. it s inevitable that it s already happening to some extent that trump is going to rebel against in new order around him. something pretty interesting happened today. it might seem minor to a lot of people but it s a big deal. keith schiller donald trump s personal security guard but really like a brother to him is leaving the white house. and that s a big deal. he is someone who has been with trump for almost two decades. trump confides in him. he is the first person that trump sees in the morning. walks him from the residence an night. he is old friends, often feeding him information from people on the outside. trump asks him advice, policy advice. he is one of the last few people from the world world cutout. and frankly, donald trump, yes everyone recognizes that the oval office needed order and that this couldn t continue. but i don t believe that donald trump is going to sort of put up with this for much longer. i think he is going to lash out, call the old people i mean he still talks to cory lewandowski. i don t see it as sustainable course of action. jonathan thank you for that jonathan swan, ronald, indira stick around with me if you will indulge me. is the trump white house preparing to end protections for dreamers? the white house faced questions on that. more when the loafth hour continues. 11th hour continues. hey allergy muddlers are you one sneeze away from being voted out of the carpool? try zyrtec® it s starts working hard at hour one and works twice as hard when you take it again the next day. stick with zyrtec® and muddle no more®. they talk about dreamers, right? dreamers. they want the dreamers. everybody wants to be a dreamer. but the dreamers don t refer to our children. they refer to other children coming into our country. you re going to have to we have to make a whole new set of standards and when people come in they have. you re going to split up families. chuck, no, no we re keeping the families together we have to keep the families together but they have to go. they have to go. we ll show great heart. daca is a very, very difficult subject for me. i will tell. you we are going to deal with daca with heart. the daca situation is a very, very it s a very difficult thing for me. because you know i love these kids. i love kids. i have kids. and grand kids. president trump is always maintained a hard line on illegal immigration. but as you heard just there, he sometimes has taken a softer stance on the so-called dreamers, those who came to america as young children, raised in america. the president is deciding if he will end an obama era program known as daca. deferred action for childhood arrivals, a program temp aerial protecting undocumented immigrants who were brought to the united states when they were very young. this was president trump today when asked about the dreamers. should dreamers be worried. we love the dreamers. we love everybody. thank you very much thank you. do you think daca is illegal do you think. thank you very much. we ll be releasing on daca sometime over the weekend, probably sunday, saturday. latest will be monday. great feeling for daca. latest will be monday. of course just a short time later white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders told reporters the announcement will come tuesday np joining me is franco eodena. inaira you stayed thank you. franco let s start with you. this is we love the dreamers was what president trump said today. what are the options here? is it yes we re keeping daca? is it no we re getting rid of daca? is there something in the middle he struggles with in. this is something that the president has been wrestling with for months if if not longer. he you know the options are, does he allow does he terminate the program as looks to be reported? what the advisers are telling us reporters? he could also end the program but allow those are existing status to continue until those expire. that would still be ending the program or he could try to defend the program in the courts. though both sides of the argument see a tough chance for this to surviving a court challenge. indira, there there s been a lot of activity in fact mostly in the manner of tweets from members of congress, senate moua say let us handle it don t end it but let s do it the right way. one of the criticisms of daca like president trump enjoyed president obama enjoyed the executive orders and things done by executive decree. congress chafes at this. they feel matters of immigration are its territory. is there a solution where congress takes it over and handles it? in a sense that would be easier for donald trump. he wouldn t have to make a decision on something that obviously is you know a humanitarian issue. he has said i love the dreamers. he doesn t want to be seen as hard hearted. at the same time it s a base issue for him let s get back to that. the fact is being tough on immigration is one of the things he won with his base on. that and the wall were key issues for him. although it s a shrinking base it s 31% of the people are very much with him. we have to put in context there are other factors hurricane harvey and texas which is the state that has the second largest number of dreamers in america. there are 800,000 daca people. and the second largest number are in texas. it would look incredibly hard hearted for the administration to say on tuesday okay we re sending everybody home now at the same time that you know parts of texas are under water. i just want to point out that other republican governors, although greg abbott is very much against daca and wants it ended has made a hard stand in texas. other republican governors like rick scott in florida where there are a lot of dreamers says this is harsh, too harsh, not the fault of the children. and i think you should defer it and leave that program alone. and tom bossert of homeland security adviser yesterday franco did not say if there are illegal immigrants in shelters once any get pout they re on their own. but to her point many of the people many been here since kids. many of whom have gotten an education if any commit a federal crime they cannot renew the two-year cycle. there are a lot of people who say this is not a bad plan. senator tom tillis tweeted tonight immigration policy should be set through legislation. it s the responsibility of congress to determine the undocumented minors. i ll be conserving the the rack act. the rack act requires undocumented adults to came to u.s. as minors to be employed pursue higher education or serve in the military. now, franco there are a lot of people who will say that s unfair, unduly rig rouse but at least it sounds like a solution as opposed to the elimination of daca. in fairness the president is facing deadlines after which some states are going to be sue him if he doesn t rescind daca. essentially what tillis is doing and other republican members of congress are trying to do is essentially give trump a bit of a life raft for daca. as we mentioned before this has been very difficult for trump. he is torn between trying to serve his base but also a larger electorate, not only that kind of his own moral feelings. obviously this is something that hurt him, impacted him personally. the legislation that tillis is offering is something that would make it a lot more palatable. essentially providing him some cover so that trump could say you know it s kind of a two-win he gets the win for ending the program serving the base. but he gets to tell dreamers he has been working on it like he did before and this is an opportunity to say that. now, look, dwres it s hard to get anything passed in congress. there is a lot of sympathy for these group of immigrants. more than any other group of undocumented immigrants. you saw that with paul ryan s you know talk earlier today on the radio. but getting anything through this congress has been difficult. getting them to agree on what the actual weather is is difficult. franco stay with us please. indira thank you for staying with us and it s always a pleasure. one senator calls the president poorly informed and reminds his colleagues we answer to the american people. that senator, republican john mccain. more on that when the 11th hour continues. let s trust each other. let s return to regular order. we have been spinning our wheel on too many important issues because we keep trying to find a way to win without help from across the aisle. what have we to lose by trying to work together to find those solutions? we re not getting done much apart. that was senator john mccain, an impassioned plea to fwres the day he returned to washington following brain surgery in july. he is renewing that call today ahead of the busy september session. in a washington post op-ed mccain wrote it s time for members of congress to respect each other and to respect that they need each other to get anything done. he writes, quote, that has never been truer than today. when congress must govern with a president who has no experience of public office, is often poorly informed, and can be impulse every in speech and conduct. we must respect his authority and constitutional responsibilities. we must where we can cooperate with him but we are not his subordinates. we don t answer to him. we answer to the american people. back with us is franco and we re joined by the contributing wrierg writer for the daley beast. i think the strangest continuing about this i m checking my phone to make hur sure i m not wrong. to make smur the president hasn t tweeted back to mccain. but john mccain has proved to be a steady reliable and thorn in the side of the president. he has been at donald trump s side as a thorn since the beginning of this administration. well, i mean the column is nice but it s late. look, john mccain showed a lot of integrity by casting the vote to essentially kill the obamacare replacement. that said he is also the same guy who introduced sarah pal ton america and helped grease the wheel culturely for a man like trump to rise politic cli. also frankly this column doesn t say anything that liberals haven t been saying for two years. we know he was impulsive. we know he makes bad decisions. we know he is poorly informed. i m not sure why we need to congratulate john mccain for coming around. we need to to see him back up with action. you had to bring up sarah palin. franco what is john mccain hoping to accomplish with in? it s not just that he come out and decided that he thinks congress isn t working. this is as much an admonishment of congress as it is the president. i would agree that liberals have been saying these things. but john mccain is a republican and what he is trying to do is do is encourage his republican colleagues to do what they have not done, and that is stand up to this president, stand up to the president s rhetoric and encourage his own party that they do not work for this president as he said they re not his password knit. they are in they re working together for the american people. and it s kind of like the old maverick john mccain. conservatives are they going back to what they believe to be shared values and that the president has taken them off this track? in this desire to fulfill the president president s agenda they ve gone down this unusual road and that they should be brought back. this hasn t been fully embraced by conservatives including republicans in the senate. but do you think there is likely to be more of that in this session than there has been, the idea that the republicans in the senate have to be their own body. they are faced now with the urgency of actual governance. a lot of them have been elected to obstruct obama. now they are in a position where they have to do the work of the government. they have to pass budgets, have to make sure of the government stays you know paying the bills and whatnot. they have to make sure that the people who are suffering from hurricane harvey get relief. now let s see if they can actually do this. let s see if they can back up, all the sound and fury about president trump, with some actual action. let s see them stand up to to him if he decides to get rid of daca. let s see him stand up to him against the livingston priorities that are nativist candy for the rab i had base rather than priorities for the nation. we don t need a wall we need walls around houston so make sure the climate change doesn t swamp it. you got to the shut down. coming up, the shutdown threat is looming. there is a lot on the break after the daca war backup but after the war of words between mcconnell and trump? remember that? can they do what we were talking about, get down to the business of governing? we re back after this. the president has said that if we have to close down our government we re billeding that wall. is he backing down from that threat now. no the president is still very much committed to building the wall. there is a report in the washington post that basically you have a smile on your face. there is a back. you know how i feel about using other outlines as your source. is it wrong. i think the president has been clear what his position is. i would take that as the president s position over a report on what it is. welcome back to the 11th white house press secretary reaffirmed president trump s threat to shut down the government if congress doesn t provide funds for the border wall. the washington post article disputed the president s immediate commitment to the wall, quote, the white house has told republicans they will not shut down the government, potentially clearing a path for lawmakers to pass a budget. passing a budget is only one item on a busy september agenda, may not be the most important. the nbc first read team laid out the to do list for the month. including providing hurricane harvey relief money, raising the debt limit, keeping the government open, crafting a tax reform bill and maybe giving health care one more shot in the senate. frank oe, by any measure, that is a aggressive agenda. for a congress that actually gets things done, that would be a tough agenda. and as you know from covering washington for a long time, budgets are something that even a congress that gets other things done struggles to get things done. what does that agenda look like to you. it looks tough. i will say harvey has kind of broad people together. you talked about the wall and the possibility of a government shutdown. you know, trump has backed down a little bit about that in private and harvey s a big reason for that because it s brought people together. they know they need to get this done. a government shutdown during such a huge rebuilding effort would not look good. so, i think this is a place where they can come together. what s going interesting is going to happen is what will it look like, a short term spending bill? that s what it sounds like. we re already seeing bickering between different sides. we all know about the battle over sandy and how some members of congress in texas didn t support. are we going to see that kind of thing. and a lot of republicans from the north east said while they remember how badly sandy went in terms of congressional help they re not going to repeat that. i think giving health care one more shot in the senate, the reason they have to do that is because they re time limited. there s something that causes the senate to have to address this by the end of september or they lose their window for doing so and they have to introduce a entire lie new bill. what do you think of that? do you think president trump will take another kick at the obama repeal plan. not if he wants to score a win. that seems to be his priority, make sure i win something. if he s going to try to win something, right now keeping the government open the this point is a win. making sure the government pace its bills on time is a win. someone with donald trump s track record, i don t expect that to be a priority. i think raise ng the debt limit, making harvey fund, i think that s the only things americans are concerned about. tax reform is a nice name for giving tax cuts to the wegty, that s not something we need around this time when people need more help than ever. franko the idea of a tax reform bill, like the administration would like something to take place before the end of 2017, the treasure secretary said they d have tax reform done by the august recess, now he says by the end of the year. in a hard to get done congress, i don t know how it gets done even though the president is out giving speeches to support it. trump with almost every new president you have kind a money moon period that happens, you know, decade after decade usually you ve been able to get something through. obviously trump didn t get anything through with health care. now he s looking at tax reform which will be just as big of a battle. it is interesting that you re seeing some democratic senators saying they ll work with trump on that because they see the power he has among the republican power and trumpland, but it will get difficult to get tax reform because there s a lot of opposition to it. i would have lost a bet if somebody asked me who the next person that john kelly chief of staff would be going after in the white house. i would have guessed stephen miller. he s trying to side line omea rosa saying, and there s a quote from a source close to the trump administration saying when general kelly is talking about clamping down on access to the oval, she is patient zero, the idea she gets trump riled up, gives him a lot of articles to read, something kelly s trying to put a lid on. what do you think about that. i think it s somebody asks a good question from omarosa. what is she doing in the white house, what is she doing other than providing a reminder of his television sell ebb writty days or serving as a fire brand or at least the african americans who certainly disagree with his agenda. i just don t understand what exactly she s doing in the white house. she has no qualifications to be there. she has no experience in government. all she is, frankly, is a reality star. her exit would be welcomed certainly amongst a lot of african americans in this country who don t particularly care for her. i need you to come out of your shell the next time we have you on show. thank you for being with us. coming up, one week after harvey first hit, a look at where we ve been and the work still to be done. we ll be right back. last thing before we go tonight. at this time exactly one week ago today a category 4 hurricane by the name of harvey had just made land fall for the first time along coastal texas over the past week we ve seen two more land falls and devastation and sorrow on a scale that s difficult to understand. 41 people have died, that number is expected to rise, and 42,000 people remain in shelters. officials are concerned about the environmental impact like fires like this one. houston s mayor warned parts of city could be remain fluided for two weeks. the search and rescue efforts are still concerning. president trump who who visited in texas on tuesday will return to houston. if you want to help find out how to help go to nbc news.com/harvey. that is our broadcast. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. touch s letter to comey. let s play hardball. and good evening, i m steve kornacki in for chris matthews in what has turned out to be a busy friday night. the white house announced president trump will give us his decision about young people brought here illegally as children to remain in the united states. there is also new reporting on the russia investigation. special counsel robert mueller obtaining