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Erin Burnett OutFront

rosendale's interesting because he's got political considerations back home. he's from montana. so is ryan zinke who's been supporting mccarthy. they're both circling each other for the possibility of running in a primary for u.s. senate. and rosendale has been thinking, i'm sure, i can hold out against mccarthy. so it's not all just house conference politics. there is forward-looking senate primary politics for at least one of those guys. >> can we also just briefly mention the optics of all of this happening on the anniversary of january 6th? history repeating. you had a group of extremists, again, holding the american government hostage for the last three days. >> it's not the same thing, obviously. but it is notable that a lot of these holdouts are people who were involved in election denialism voting to overturn the election, the stop the steal election. >> and couldn't be bothered this morning to show up to honor those who lost their lives. >> thank you all very much. we will be here all night. next, just in, we're

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made on the hard right. potentially protect defense programs. on the powerful house rules committee that sets the terms of legislation and amendments and also on other key issues, namely, the debt limit. that is going to be a huge issue in the new congress. what mccarthy agreed to is to pair the raising debt limit with spending cost, that's a red line for democrats in the senate as well as in the white house. that fight will wait for another day as mccarthy had to make these promises, anderson, in order to secure the speakership which is something he believes he will have in an hour or so. >> melenie zanona is also at the capital. six gop holdouts, who among them have indicated they may switch votes or vote present. >> kevin mccarthy it's team is looking at rosendale, and

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i don't say that to be mean. it's how he is, what his thinking is at this moment. >> no, no, absolutely we're all zoologists as well, watching the animals of congress. and so what happens is there's only two votes left of these -- of these outstanding votes. and of them gaetz has not voted. he somehow wasn't there for this vote, this incredibly important vote. and matt rosendale has not yet voted. they haven't gotten up to the rs. the options are rosendale votes for jim jordan or something, in which case it's all up to matt gaetz to save the day and to vote for kevin mccarthy in delivering the speakership. or rosendale votes present in which case it's all up to matt gaetz to either also vote present or to vote for mccarthy. and then lastly the only option that takes away any attention

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The Ingraham Angle

charlie kirk, har might dillon raymond arroyo. harmeet we have all the individuals we just named, biggs, crane, rosendale, goode all voted against kevin mccarthy. does this end up biting them on the back side given everything that's been conceded already? >> well, i think that is a risk for them. i mean, the reality is, when you go to congress, you're signing up for a process where the sausage is being made. that means compromise has to be had and if you want to be relevant to the voters who elected you to congress you have to be able to show up and make deals and that requires some good will. so i'm not sure what the end game is for those because the people they're nominating and voting for rather are not running and they're not realistic alternatives. so if this was a horse race between two capped dates and this was a debate over that, i could see that. but if you're simply obstructing, i think you're burning a lot of good will. so at some point, gaetz called

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conservatives in congress are the one that hold the line on all their principles and the leadership are the ones that them over the cliff. >> laura: ignore them. >> or right up to the edge of the cliff all the time. >> laura: hogan hold on, we have to dip back in to this last vote with rosendale. >> mccarthy. >> rose. >> kevin mccarthy. >> rosendale. >> andy biggs. >> ross. >> jeffries. >> rouser. >> laura: okay, rosendale just voted as you heard for biggs. congressman rosen dale was another hold out of the original 20. back with me now charlie kirk

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between how he's willing to handle this and how some of his predecessors have. >> so we are approaching in about minute congressman matt rosendale of montana who has been described to me by his colleagues as unpredictable and something of a wild card. remember he was the one that went on the floor and said he was running for kevin hern and if rosendale has been conconvinced to run for mg carthy, that's it, mccarthy wins. let's listen. it's coming up. >> mccarthy. rogers of kentucky, mccarthy. rose, mccarthy.

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and if this -- and obviously i should note to you, congressman, i'm sure you realize this, as you said you just got off the plane and matt gaetz wasn't there and he's back on the floor sitting next to congresswoman boebert. we understand congressman mckinney rushed over to see him as he walked back into the room. so we'll see how this plays out. >> i've got to leave and go vote. >> well, i don't want to hold you back from that. we know obviously you're going to be voting for kevin mccarthy. all right, thank you very much, congressman. i appreciate your time. >> thank you very much. >> while this was going on i searched with somebody on the floor who was saying the word was rosendale was supposed to be present -- >> a present vote. >> but he instead voted -- so if that's true they thought he was going to be present and then he didn't do what he was supposed to do. >> maybe that's why gaetz took a walk to be -- to see what he

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rosendale, biggs. >> matt rosen dale voting for andy biggs. that means that there is only one option left for kevin mccarthy to win on this ballot and that is matt gaetz has to vote for him. there is no other math that works. >> and so there's the question of can you win? and if he gets matt gaetz votes and the other votes then there'll be the debate about how he's won and who you need to get to win and how much you gave them. i believe matt gaetz for all the other colorful things in his résumé is among those who asked donald trump for a pardon after the events of two years ago today at the united states capitol and other efforts from election day through january 6th up to the biden inauguration to try to overturn the american democracy. >> let's go to erin burnett who has an interview with a key member of congress. >> all right, jake, yes. and obviously we're now in the hands of matt gaetz, kevin

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and yet here we are at the end and i just wonder how many of them still feel as emboldened as they thought that they would if they get to this final point, meaning how much -- how much blood did they have to -- to lose of their sort of moral ideal of pushing back against this group -- >> one of the things we've learned about this era and this brand of politics, though, is that frequently it's just about the next ten minutes. it's not about the long-term. it's not about the game for what's going to happen in an hour -- i'm sorry, the year. right now as a former republican leader said to me right now, it's all about rosendale unless gaetz steals the moment.

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congress and i think they should take the victory. rosendale there saying no and some of the other representatives, i've got to ask what else do you guys want? matt gaetz said on television tonight i'm running out of things to ask for and that gives me personally as someone who talks grass roots and represents a lot of younger voters a lot of confidence this congress is actually going to be able to get something meaningful done from oversight one topic bills to real steering changes and rules committee changes. so this is on pace to be the most conservative congress in my lifetime. these holdouts i think are patriots for what they've done and now it's time to take a victory so the moderates don't strike down with a deal with democrats that could obliterate this entire deal. i hope they get this done tonight. >> laura: yeah, take the win, take the victory. let's check back in with fox news chief congressional correspondent chad pergra.m. standing by on capitol hill. chad, the math, it is changing

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